​Dr. Paul  0:04  
Dr. Paul Welcome to against the wind doctors and science under fire. Today's show I interviewed Dr. John Reisman. He is a psychiatrist who just completed a book called Conscious medicine an integral model of healing. We talk about the difference between conscious and unconscious medicine. It's powerful folks. We talk about the health continuum. But the important distinction between quantity of health and quality of health, between health and disability. And we also talk about the need for a parallel system. He's come to the same realization that I've come to that so many of my peers who you've heard on this show have come to the same conclusion that our current medical system is so broken, we can't even fix it, we have to build a new system. So we're all on the same page for you on that it's happening. I then finished the show with an interview with Ben Tapper. He is one of the disinformation 12. And oh, boy, let me tell you, we are unpacking the pandemic censorship and so much more. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. This memorial day, I had the privilege to be at depo Bay, Oregon. This is claims to be the smallest port in the world. And indeed, I think it might be this tiny little port with maybe 50 vessels at most, a couple of large coast guard ships, well, large boats anyway, that honored our veterans in the most amazing way. It was a sunny day, the ships gathered. And after they had their ceremony, they did a procession out under the bridge out to the ocean, made a circle. And then a Coast Guard helicopter comes in, drops within the circle, a large reef, and then all the boats put their Reese that they had carried out. These are wreaths honoring not just our veterans, but those who are lost at sea. You know, Newport, depot Bay and all the coast. towns along the Oregon coast have fishing industry. And periodically we lose people to boating accidents and tragedies that are related to poor weather. But I want to focus here also mostly on our veterans, those of you who have veterans in your lives, families who have chosen to serve our country, we've lost over a million in the years of all the various wars. These are sacrifices that were made for us, every single one of us living in America enjoy a level of freedom, not known by very many. What I'm concerned about is that medical boards, public health officials, elected governors, for example, with their various decrees emergency orders have caused a situation where we are now at high risk for losing the freedoms that have been fought for, and sacrificed for for hundreds of years. This is not the time for any of us to just rest on our laurels and think that everything's going to be fine. I do believe that we'll be fine. But it will be fine because we are going to stand and say no to all the forces that are trying to nullify the sacrifices made by those who went to war for us on behalf of the freedoms here in the United States. So it's just a message of hope, a message of freedom, but also a warning that we all stay vigilant. Something is going on. We've all felt it. We've noticed it these past two, three years. And this is not the time to just say oh, things are getting good again. It's time to really make sure we stand for freedom in every possible way. Thanks. I'm Dr. Paul.

Welcome Dr. John Reese, and man you are a guy that I've been wanting to talk to you ever since I stumbled on your book conscious medicine. Thank you. Yeah, you graduated from Loma Linda University Medical School, specialize in psychiatry, you've had an emphasis in functional medicine and have been in private practice in the Loma Linda and Redlands California area for 37 years, which puts us I'm guessing around the same era of medical school training. Out of curiosity, when did you finish medical school? 1981 Okay, yeah, you were a few years ahead of me, then. I remember doing my psychiatry rotation. Thinking that man, this is pretty easy. I mean, in six weeks, I figured out the few meds that we had back then and you know, there was stuff for depression stat stuff for bipolar, well, one or two things. And that was pretty much it. I think they'd gotten away from lobotomies at that point. And of course, we've had the DSM three, then four, then five, that Diagnostic Statistical Manual that's sort of your guys's Bible in psychiatry, and I noticed something about that and I'm going to have you talk about your journey. from mainstream traditional psychiatry training into functional medicine, because I think there's a parallel with my own. But I noticed that manual is all about labels. There's just a list of symptoms, you fit this diagnosis, boom, here's your diagnosis. And then you have based on that, here's these lists of pharmaceutical products to hopefully treat your symptoms. Right.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  5:21  
You know, what's interesting is that in psychiatry is more so than most other parts of medicine, that the diagnosis is just a description. It doesn't in any way, indicate the etiology or the cause, right. And physicians are kind of deluded into thinking they're treating the cause when they're treating the diagnosis. But all they're doing is masking symptoms. Yeah, unfortunately, when they do that, the imbalance is never corrected. And so it's driven deeper into the Constitution. And it manifests itself in other dysfunctions and other organ systems, new diagnoses, a new round of pharmacotherapy.

Dr. Paul  6:02  
I had a for a while I was doing addiction medicine as well. And I had a young lady come in, she was in her early 20s, on seven different psychiatric meds at young 20s. Like, Oh, my word, share, share with our audience a little bit about your journey. I imagine you started off medical school fairly traditional, and somehow you ended up in functional medicine.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  6:23  
Yeah. And in medical school, I just started seeing things that just didn't sound right to me, because when I went into medical school, I thought I was going to become a healing practitioner. But it wasn't about healing at all. It was about managing disease. And when you manage disease, that's exactly what you're going to have. And so it's not it's disguised as healthcare, but it's really sick care. And so I started to you No, look outside that. And most of my colleagues pretty much canceled me when I asked the kinds of questions that sort of challenged the the narrative. So I started to collaborate with chiropractors and nature paths in the surrounding community. And we wouldn't refer to each other. And I started going to Holistic Health conventions, and went to the American Academy of environmental medicine. And then finally, the Institute for Functional Medicine, and start and discovered, this is what healing is all about. It's identifying the imbalance and correcting causes instead of just masking symptoms. And so that's what kind of took me in that direction. And then I was fortunate enough to have a medical group that allowed me the freedom to integrate functional medicine in my practice. And so I didn't get any problems from the doctors that I worked with in that group. But I was getting cancelled by doctors and surrounding community, when I started messing with their patients, and providing some improvement. For example, I had one patient who came to me who was referred to me by a GI doctor to treat for depression. And, and he had this gi disturbance for about two years. And I asked him, Have you ever tried probiotics and digestive enzymes? And he never had, so I suggested try that. He came back about a month later, and all his symptoms were gone. And I got a nasty call from the GI doctor asked me why I was fiddling around with his GI symptoms, he sent him to me to treat for depression. Aren't you happy that he's better? No, it wasn't. Now, on the surface, you might think he was angry because I was taking away his livelihood. You know, now this patient's not going to see me anymore. But it's more fundamental of that. And I think it comes out clearly in your case where the medical board went after you, because they claimed that you were a danger, when in fact, you were improving patients better than the conventional system. So your treatment might treatment, all the doctors that you interview who've been under fire. They're the results they get is an indictment of the sick care system. No one wants to think that they're causing more harm than good. And so what they're doing is actually projecting the harm on to you, when actually they're the ones who are causing it, but it's unconscious. Hmm.

Dr. Paul  9:10  
That brings us to the title of your book, conscious medicine and integral model of healing. I think being conscious, I'd like to hear your take on this. What do you mean when you say conscious medicine versus unconscious medicine?

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  9:26  
Conscious medicine is mindful healing. It's restoring balance by correcting causes instead of masking symptoms. Simple as that? Yeah. And unconscious medicine then is basically conventional Rockefeller Flexner Report type of medicine that that masks symptoms instead of providing cures.

Dr. Paul  9:49  
Yeah. Maybe for our audience because this hasn't come up. Maybe but once in over a year that I've been doing this show. Explain what the Flexner Report was. I think it wasn't at around 1910 Something like that.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  10:01  
Yeah, that's where it was supported by Carnegie and Rockefeller. And basically Flexner went around to all the medical schools and basically decided which ones were legitimate and which ones were quackery. So they closed all the homeopathic and naturopathic schools and have kept open only the allopathic schools that bought into the whole pharmaceutical paradigm.

Dr. Paul  10:25  
Yeah, and poured a lot of money into those schools that would go along with their paradigm. Exactly. Yeah. So you have an interesting description in your book about legitimate science today being replaced by a religion masquerading as science. striking parallels with medieval Dark Ages. Wow, that's a powerful statement. expand upon that a bit.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  10:53  
Well, when you think about it, what happened during the middle of the medieval ages, the the clergy expropriated reason, and disallowing man to think for himself. So they were the arbiters of truth. They were the Ministry of Truth. And they decided what people were to believe? Well, in our current day, the scientific clergy have expropriated the senses, and forbidding man to see for himself. They're saying, quote, We cannot believe our own eyes. And so they this whole thing about post hoc reasoning, that if a person improves from an intervention, you can't possibly know that was a result of the intervention. Okay, but the thing is, is if that's the truth, and we don't know that any of the approved treatments are the result of the intervention, either, it could still be placebo. So it's, so you have to be able to use your mind and follow patients systematically. You apply a treatment, they get well, you stopped the treatment, they get worse, putting back on the treatment, they do better again. I mean, that's that's the scientific method. But people think that if they apply a proven treatment obligatory that that's being scientific, it's not that's having faith in the studies. That's that's basically religion. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  12:13  
Now, your your explanation took me right back to when I woke up to what was going on with autism. It was a thing that was so rare. I imagine when you were in medical school, do you remember seeing a single case of autism? No, no, I didn't either. I came by about three, four years after you and not a single case, when they wanted to teach us about disability and children, they sent us to a community of Down's kids. There, it just really wasn't around. So for me, it was in the early 2000s. It just exploded, and I ended up in my own practice having one case per year 2004 Or five, six, and seven. And it was just like, Okay, I can't keep doing business as usual. Have a normal one year old who's starting to talk has great eye contact, just regressing to nonverbal, spinning, and flapping and pain and GI symptoms. And, and, and just say, Oh, well, sorry, your kid has autism. Good luck. It just, it's insane that pediatricians, I imagined psychiatry and pediatrics overlaps a little bit in this area, actually. We're left with well try this in a psychotic or yeah, just nuts.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  13:22  
You know, it's funny, because I've talked to one of our PT, the pediatric psychiatrists at Loma Linda and I was mentioned to him the connection between vaccines and autism, and he completely dismissed that said that, you know, well, the autism that usually begins about the same time period, it has nothing to do with the vaccines. So, in my mind, this is the the church of vaccinology. It's a religion. Yeah. Because they don't allow debate. They shut it all down. It's very dogmatic. And it's like, it's a doctrine that you cannot challenge.

Dr. Paul  13:56  
Yeah, no, absolutely. And that's actually why I've been threatened with my license. The funny story behind that you may have heard it. They've been asking me since I wrote the book, vaccine friendly plan in 2016. But 2018 actually was February 2019. They they sent me a board request to prove that the CD that my vaccine friendly plan approach was as safe as the CDC schedule that promoted me to do a quality assurance project of every patient, born in my practice, published that data in a peer reviewed journal and five days after it was available online. They yanked my license as a threat to public health. We had incredible outcomes in the unpacked which was actually, it was a little shocking to me that the vaccine friendly plan, which is much safer, but even that was just horrible compared to unboxed. So,

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  14:47  
again, that's an indictment of the sick care system. Yep. Absolutely. It exposed the weakness of the whole paradigm.

Dr. Paul  14:55  
Absolutely. share with our viewers. So many people today With, for various reasons are suffering from what is traditionally called psychiatric problems, be it depression, anxiety, etc. Right? share briefly what you have found in functional psychiatry to be very helpful for folks who are struggling.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  15:15  
Well, functional psychiatry, basically you do lifestyle interventions, and basic, assessing their diet, their nutrition, their exposure and exposure to toxic chemicals and so forth. And so some of the things that I've done is to evaluate, for example, is this person a good methylator. So I'll do you know, the the homocysteine tests, and the, the genetic test to see you know, how well they methylate. And, you know, if they come back as being deficient, then I'll, you know, recommend that they, you know, take nutritional support. Other instances, I'll check, a body burdened with toxic heavy metals. And I did a study of 100 cases, and virtually every single person had significant high levels of mercury and lead. And so basically, you know, recommend detoxification protocols that clean all that up. And as patients will do these kinds of things, all their medical problems, whether it be diabetes, or heart disease, or whatever starts to improve. Because basically, when you're intervening at the level of the system, all these other manifestations of dysfunction start to clear up.

Dr. Paul  16:28  
Isn't that amazing? How, I mean, it's simple. It's not easy, right? Lifestyle changes are the hardest thing of all, giving up our soda or cigarettes, if you're a smoker, or alcohol, if you're a drinker, or trying to eat real wholesome food, etc. But it's simple. You just have to do it. And you're seeing I imagined amazing results.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  16:49  
Yeah, but the thing is, it's, it's frustrating, because a lot of the, for example, nutritional supplements, they're not covered by insurance. And a lot of patients in my practice just don't have a lot of discretionary income. So if it's not covered by insurance, a lot of them wouldn't do it, and basically never got better. It's the ones who went ahead and decided to invest in their health are the ones who actually got better.

Dr. Paul  17:11  
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You have to buy in and realize that our health folks, never before has it been more important is in our own hands, you cannot go to a traditional doctor. Allopathic, regular MD and expect to regain regular health if you're not healthy.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  17:30  
You know, and I think when you're doing that kind of work, you need to be an example of what you're preaching. Yeah. So you need to be in good health yourself and incorporate all these lifestyle measures that you're preaching your patients to.

Dr. Paul  17:42  
That's so true. I only had successes, I was having success in my own life to some extent. You have a term in your book, the insanity of humanity, and I can't remember what you were referring to.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  17:55  
Well, Carl Jung said that the man is the great danger unconscious man. Because basically, man is in search of a soul. And he does all these things to destroy his home, the environment in which we live. And this that kind of thing is insanity. Why would any person destroy that the home that they live in? And yet, that's, that's what we're doing? And then the way that we treat one another, the way we treat our own bodies, all this stuff is basically insanity. It's, you think about all the wars that we've created, all the millions of people who've been killed. And this, this is considered normal. You know, so the insanity is essentially the psychopathology of the average. It's, it's, it's so ubiquitous, that people don't even notice it. Because it's considered normal.

Dr. Paul  18:49  
How would you talk about the COVID thing we've been through the last couple years with that in mind?

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  18:56  
Well, that COVID really exposed everything I talked to my, my book, but on steroids. I mean, I couldn't believe it. But the other thing that it introduced, though, is how palpable the evil was. It's not just insanity, there's, there's something evil to it. It's a spiritual war that we're in. And it comes back to this notion, well, then conscious healing is really a spiritual practice. It's all about bringing people back into harmony and balance with the environment, with their fellow man and with within themselves. And that's essentially what we need to focus on.

Dr. Paul  19:30  
So Dr. John, you've touched on something that's been huge in my life the last couple of years, and this whole mention of the soul and the spiritual aspect of who we are. I think I had a lot from I don't think I know I had lost touch with my own soul. being so busy being a doctor and sure I was doing some good work, but I was on a treadmill and speak briefly about how one gets back in touch with their soul and with what's important

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  19:59  
Well, I guess every person sort of has to find their own way. You know, it's gonna require a journey inward. And, you know, I had been under fire quite a bit during my practice. So I spent the 15 years doing research and reflecting and writing this book. And so you have to take time off away from you know, the treadmill, you have to get off that and just start doing some inner work. Journeying inward reflecting, if you don't do that, you're just going to burn out. And so many, you know, physicians I've run into have left the practice of medicine, they've started other careers, because they just couldn't take it anymore. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  20:47  
I think for even non medical people, anybody living in this world today with the stresses that the COVID, the response to COVID really was what created most of the stress, the quarantines, the masking, the fear mongering, that there was just relentless focus, we all have got to take that time, as Dr. John says, and go inward, and be in touch with our real selves. I like something that you have in your book, I think I'd like you to expand on it a little bit, you talk about a health continuum. And I was wondering if you might sort of share a little bit about what that is and how you came to understanding that.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  21:25  
So the health continuum is really shows levels of health or life balance, function versus dysfunction. So I came across this kind of continuum early on when I was going to some of the holistic health conventions. And if you see there's a red dashed line between the four and number five, so everything below that red dashed line is what conventional medicine is concerned with. And generally, you come into a physician, let's say, with a full syndrome at level two, and you're diagnosed with the disease and you're put on pharmacotherapy, such as, say diabetes mellitus, first diagnosis, or you might have partial symptoms, and you come in at the substance drummer level, let's say you're diagnosed with metabolic syndrome, which is sort of like a precursor, you still get on pharmaceuticals. And when you are taking drugs, it's all it's doing is suppressing symptoms. So you might feel well, but that's an artifact of symptom suppression. And that degenerative process is not resolved. And what happens is it progresses until relapse, or a new diagnosis appears. So the imbalance is not corrected, it is quiescent. And if you intervene above that red dashed line, you use basically health interventions, such as lifestyle prescriptions to enhance physiologic reserve, rejuvenate the body, and finally achieve the vitalised level, which is optimum genetic potential. Now, at this level, you have more resilience, you're able to fight off infections, you have better immunity against cancer and things like that. At this level, there's actually the body's more ordered, there's more, more complexity. And you can actually do physiological measures like heart rate variability, which indicate these higher levels. But below that red line, you're basically managing disease, it's sick care, and you have a loss of complexity. I get into this, I revisit this chart in my chapter on complexity, science and systems medicine. And what's interesting is that each one of these levels is also a level of physiologic setpoint, which means that it involves a state attractor around which fluctuation self organize. So as you go up the this health continuum, there's more order, there's more complexity and requires more energy. So it's really important to be able to make enough ATP to maintain that high level, which is far from equilibrium. It's a dynamic steady state, you go down in the other direction, you're reaching thermodynamic equilibrium. So what conventional medicine does, is they suppress symptoms, and by doing so, they may delay entry into the disability zone, they may actually postpone death, but it the end result is it's slow assisted suicide, because they're not doing anything about correcting the underlying imbalance.

Dr. Paul  24:42  
This is so important, folks. Let's, let's pivot over to your slide on quantity versus quality. When it comes to your life, vitality and health versus disability,

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  24:55  
yeah, okay. So, you know, most of the time we measure health outcomes in terms of The longevity, okay, that's the quantity of life. But what's really important is your quality of life. And so, lifespan, which is only quantity, it's one dimensional. But healthspan is two dimensional includes the quality of life. So whereas lifespan is the longevity of existence, healthspan is longevity of vitality. And that's what's important. That's what keeps you above the disability zone. So in this example, here, the red line descending downward is what you get with conventional health care versus conventional sick care. But if you make a health intervention, which is a lifestyle prescription, somewhere around midlife, you can actually extend the health span the amount of time the person spends above the disability zone. And that has enormous economic savings, both in terms of the person's health as also the fact that they can continue working.

Dr. Paul  26:00  
Yeah, I'm thinking for people to really have this have impact. Think about something like caring for your children or grandchildren or your loved ones, or just to hit guys where it really counts, being sexually able to function, right? You follow that red line, and most men are impotent or have erectile dysfunction by age 50 to 60. You do a lifestyle integration, you might be fine until your 80s. Exactly. And it goes for just about any health condition, wellness and vitality is served by the type of measures that you talk about in your book. So exciting. So exciting. So you have some interesting perspective on evidence based medicine, you know, we MDS are held to this standard. I mean, I'm being challenged by the medical board, monthly, pretty much on something that all boils down to what they consider to be the standard of care, let's say,

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  27:04  
this gets a little complicated, I'll try to explain it. But basically, evidence based medicine is essentially saying, Okay, we're going to apply treatments that have been proven in clinical research, where you do a double blind, placebo controlled crossover study. And that gives you really robust data. And you can be certain that that treatment, that remedy is objective, and it's it's proven that the problem is is the the fallacy is to assume that that proven this is a a trait of the medication that then achieves a life of its own can follow anywhere. No, it's relative to the context in which it was done. So it's a state dependent. This the, let me say the, the empirical signature of that remedy is dependent upon the context. But what we do is we take that and we transfer it to the clinical situation and apply it reductionistic Lee, as if now you have to treat your patient with this. With this remedy, even though many of the patients didn't respond in the in the research setting, you have to do a little bit better than placebo. But what about all the patients who didn't respond? Are they supposed to still get that same treatment? It doesn't make any sense?

Dr. Paul  28:23  
Or worse yet, who had terrible side effects?

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  28:25  
Right, exactly. And so there's some people that really looked at this in detail. And what they've discovered is that the clinical research setting represents a well structured problem that just requires a simple solution, which is very definitive. Either the treatment is better than placebo, or it's not. But in a clinical situation, that's an ill structured situation, that requires a completely different inquiring system, that where the the results are not as clear, and that you have to kind of weigh among a number of different perspectives. And so to try to apply a reductionistic really, the the research remedy to a clinical situation, you have to reduce the clinical situation to a caricature of itself. So every person is treated all alike with the same diagnosis. There is no individuality, no biochemical diversity, which is ridiculous. So this is the problem with standardized medicine is that everyone with the same diagnosis is treated the same way. It's a one size fits all. Same thing with the vaccine mandates, one size fits all for everybody.

Dr. Paul  29:35  
Yep. An example from the vaccine world with that we saw with COVID, but they've been doing this for almost all vaccines, and actually, most pharmaceuticals, this concept of absolute risk reduction versus relative risk reduction, or you could get the benefit of a pharmaceutical but it's just a relative benefit. They don't show you that it's making only 1% difference, or in the case of the COVID vaccines. It was is actually protecting about 1% or a little less than that. But they've been like, oh, no, that risk reduction is 95% when it was a relative risk reduction, which was just playing with numbers,

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  30:10  
right, exactly. Yeah, no, no, no, the thing I wanted to mention, so I don't forget is that what another thing that really disturbed me about my medical indoctrination was that it wasn't just about your license wasn't just about what you can prescribe was also about prescription, what you weren't allowed to do. Say, and if you did any of those things, then you get under fire. I spent some time with a chiropractor in our community, and he was doing the Gerson therapy. So I learned all about the Gerson therapy from him. And interestingly, I visited a professor of anthropology at the University of Wisconsin, Arizona, and he was diagnosed with bladder cancer. And they were going to remove his bladder. And I told him about the Gerson therapy, and his wife gave them the book on how to do it, his wife implemented that cured him of his bladder cancer. Okay, but coming back to that, you know, it's it's, I talked to this chiropractor, and he was saying, you know, if you want to do all this stuff, just become a minister. You can do there's no license for them to take away.

Dr. Paul  31:23  
Yeah. Now it's a it's a very strange world, where how do we wake up our peers? Because I feel like the the COVID expose the fact to me, that the sick care system, our current medical system is so broken. I think you mentioned this in your book. I don't know that we can fix it, we have to do something parallel. And how do we reach the people who are stuck in that system to say, Hey, folks, there's a better way?

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  31:53  
Well, you know, you know, I finished this book in tune 2019 before COVID. And, and I talk about, you know, how we can kind of base medicine on more of a complexity science and get away from this reductionistic Newtonian paradigm is completely outdated. And then in the epilogue, I talk about some practical ways that we might be able to do this, but but since COVID, I agree with you, I think the system is broken, and it cannot be fixed. It's been completely hijacked by corporations that care more about profits and about people. So I think we have to take Buckminster Fuller's advice, and to create an alternative system makes the current one obsolete. And a lot of people are actually in the works of doing that. Not just with medicine, but with a finance system. Agriculture, economics all that.

Dr. Paul  32:47  
Yeah. Yeah, there's been an interest in PMAs. private membership associations is one mechanism whereby, if, you know, you can have grocery stores that are private membership, because we could potentially get shut out of the ability to shop in the big stores. Right? If you don't have the right ID. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Very interesting. Well, giving you the Florida wrap it up. Dr. John, tell, tell our audience, what's on your heart?

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  33:19  
Well, you know, I think that by as I said, we're in a spiritual war. And we have to ask ourselves, what really matters as material wealth, that important, you know, having a fancy car that a nice home is all that really important. No, no, it's not. And I think that what we have to do is start reevaluating our values. So it's, there's so much fighting over what people believe. We need to put all that aside and ask what we value. That's what's most important, what we value, not what we believe. And so we have to be able to have more tolerance, and start to put our energies towards rebuilding a system that's based upon integrity, and these values.

Dr. Paul  34:09  
And how do we open the eyes? If that's even possible? Probably that's the wrong way to go about it. How can we attract people who have family members who, though my own mom, and she loves me like nobody else? Well, Paul, how could you possibly be right? And everybody else is wrong, thinking about the other doctors who are, you know, pushing the COVID vaccine as as a example?

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  34:34  
Well, you know, I'm one of two doctors at my local community hospital, they have not been vaccinated. Everyone else has been vaccinated. And unfortunately, you know, as Mark Twain said, it's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they've been fooled. So, a lot of times when you present this information, people resist it because they don't want to believe they've been duped. I'm hoping that you know that my The book can be read by people and looking at the whole philosophical foundation of medicine and maybe start a dialogue, and maybe start constructing a new narrative. So I'm hoping to, you know, I'm thinking right now to design a whole PowerPoint program that's based on my book and start presenting the Educate the physicians.

Dr. Paul  35:25  
That's, that's a wonderful idea. I'll have you back on when you get that PowerPoint ready, you are onto something that is so so important, and your voice needs to be heard. Thank you for coming on the show against the wind doctors and science under fire.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  35:39  
Thank you for having me.

Dr. Paul  35:40  
It's been a real pleasure and a privilege.

Dr. John Riesenman, MD  35:43  
Oh, my pleasure is mine.

Dr. Paul  35:50  
Welcome to against the wind doctors and science under fire. I have been wanting to have you on the show, you have the distinguished qualification of being one of the disinformation 12. So when I saw your name on that list and go, Man, What's this guy doing? It certainly appears to me and to those who are paying attention to what's going on in our world, that the people being labeled as promoting misinformation or disinformation are probably the people we ought to listen to. So I've been wanting to get you on the show. Just briefly, tell our audience a little bit about your background. And maybe how you got to be on that list.

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  36:34  
Yeah, well, first of all, I just want to say thank you for having me, first of all, and I'm just really excited to be sitting down with you. Because you know, you are one of those Doc's that I really just have a ton of respect for. Because you know, you are a true physician, a doctor with integrity, and you know, you're not wavering your beliefs to, you know, you're not cowering and conforming to the tyranny that's in the world today. And you're just you're making a stand for true health. And so I just I really respect doctors like you. And you know, and I'm just like to say that I'm one of those doctors as well, doctrinal integrity that's made a stand. Yeah, you know, I come from a family of chiropractors, and, and my dad has been speaking out against, you know, the vaccine corruption since the 70s. And basically, he passed that baton on to me when he retired. But, you know, even before I got into practice, he would always educate me on vaccinations and this corruption, and we I was never vaccinated, nor my brother nor sister. And, you know, so that was my childhood growing up. And, and I really got a lot of attention, obviously, early on, but we would put on vaccine workshops prior to 2020. And, you know, and I listened to a lecture, excuse me, I listen to a lecture from a doctor in 2008. And he talks about the corruption of the manipulation of data at the National Vital reporting system for the CDC. And he would talk about how they always just they throw comer comorbidities in the death count with influenza. And, you know, and so, and 90% of the deaths are usually in the elderly. And I thought that was very interesting. And he had all those stats printed off. And so I've been following a close eye to those stats. I've been following those stats for over a decade. And when Corona had I said, all those numbers, they were being manipulated even more, and they implemented us up and disappeared. And, and, and then so I started speaking out early on and, and in 20, in the fall of 2020, in August, I spoke out at the council, and within 24 hours, that video had 3 million views viral and it said just because people are starving for the truth and yeah, you know, and and, and that's basically what put me on the map. It put me on that list the disinformation but the disinformation doesn't but but anyway, that's kind of my story and so on.

Dr. Paul  38:52  
Yeah. So you have

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  38:54  
four children. What are their ages? I have Ophelia. She's 11. And Owen is going to be 10. And then Olson is six and Aslan is for their my Cheerios.

Dr. Paul  39:04  
Wow. And I'm guessing they're not vaccinated. No, they're

not. No,

I'm guessing they're very healthy.

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  39:11  
They are very healthy. Thanks, Lord. Yes, yeah.

Dr. Paul  39:15  
Amazing. Right now, you grew up in that world that I think the chiropractors have been fairly steadfast in as a discipline, you know, as an as a group understanding the risks of vaccines, and more so than any other group of doctors. So you have probably had a career at both watching your own father's career in practice and then your own, of being able to care for large numbers of people who are unvaccinated. Tell me a little bit about what that was like. What what did you see in this unvaccinated population that was supposedly at such great risk of infections because they weren't vaccinated?

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  39:56  
Right? Well, you know, we'd always talk about you know, the importance of healthy life. styles and making healthy choices and your level of health is the genetic expression or the innate expression of how we eat, how we move how we think. So teaching the moms to live healthy lifestyles, and that will, you know, that will portray on to the children and the children will express healthy lifestyles as well, they follow that the choices the parents make, but you know, just seeing the children in the clinic living a natural style of health, they're just, they're better off, they're healthier. They don't have the ear infections, they don't have all this chronic illness that normal kids have. And, and, you know, I just like you, I know you, you really more than I have really put your data out there. In the clinical data to show there is a significant difference in these children, the vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups. And, you know, we saw that in our clinic as well. You know, we had parents and especially to start getting your name out there and start speaking out, the parents that have vaccinating your children come to you for help, because they're not getting that help in the, in the medical world. They're not getting, they're getting gaslighted. And they're they're getting written off or I was a genetic type issue. There's nothing you can do. And that's just not true, as bad as really just bad. Science. And it's terrible bedside manners. And it's not an it's not true Helms. And so it was, it was a very, it was a privilege to be able to see those kids and help moms find the truth. And I tell you, there's nothing more satisfying is when you have a mom or a soon to be Mom, listen to you. Take your advice. And then they are so grateful that they listened to you. And they show you that appreciation and they become like family. And that's what's really a joy.

Dr. Paul  41:46  
Yeah, absolutely. How many kids would you say you've taken care of in your career?

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  41:51  
Well, I would say a third of my practice was a pediatric practice. And so and so we had, I mean, goodness, you know, we averaged about 300 visits a week. And so a third of that about 100 of those were kids. And so yeah, so that I practiced that way for 10 years. And so

Dr. Paul  42:11  
most of those kids were unvaccinated. I would say,

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  42:15  
you know, probably close to 70% are unvaccinated.

Dr. Paul  42:21  
Okay, in that group, just to kind of pull your experience because I don't get to talk to too many doctors who have a large population of unvaccinated kids. How many kids in your unvaccinated population had autism or other chronic conditions?

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  42:36  
I've never had a single one have autism that was on vaccinated. Yep. And so that's just the numbers. That's this there, you know. And it's, it's, it's, you know, and I've had moms come in and vaccinated their first two kids, and then they didn't vaccinate the other two, they're likely to have a tool for the vaccinated to the vaccine next to, and they will tell you that the unvaccinated kids are healthier. They see it firsthand. Yeah, you know, they, they hit through milestones sooner, they are speaking sooner. They they're just healthier. You know, and even on the vaccine inserts, if you look at you know, on page six were most adverse reactions or label on the inserts, they'll tell you like, you know, all the conditions and side effects, these vaccines and otitis media is on there, and they're inflammatory in the in the ears and, and everything else. That's why we had this explosion of ear infections and nobody wanted. Nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room and how inflammatory these vaccines are, you know, so

Dr. Paul  43:31  
now I think that's why the VAX annex data is so critical, because the CDC, the NIH health plans even nobody was looking at total health outcomes comparing vaccinated unvaccinated. And so when I go around speaking, and I present, that data is just mind blowing, and you've lived it. And so it's it's your total experience that yes, these unvaccinated kids are so much healthier, when nobody wants to listen to us.

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  43:58  
Right, you know, and I, my biggest thing is, you know, like I talked about, like a car crash school, we just got hammered with a nervous system, like just drilled on the nervous system, and, you know, developing the nervous system. And so I took that and went with Clinical Immunology and just, you know, and I apply it, you know, the physiology to it. And in my study, like I found that these vaccinations, they're, they're really they're bypassing away, the body's immune system really operates and it's really so invasive. If you look at from a microscopic view on on them, just the needle penetrating the skin, it creates an incident like, you know, almost an inflammatory response, and it triggers a wrong wrong immunoglobulin. You know, we have this immunoglobulin e response right away, and we're the CDC and everybody else is like all it takes two weeks for your body to develop the right antibodies and immunity to this vaccine. But what's really occurring is that we have this inflammatory process and immunoglobulin immunoglobulin E is triggered releasing histamine, which when histamine is released that allows the blood brain barrier to be permeable allowing all this junk adjuvants and everything else to penetrate in the nervous system and causing inflammation and cause other major problems. And in nobody's talking about that, and it's a it's really concerning because I believe truly believe once we understand this and get this information to the masses, we're gonna look back and be like, Oh my gosh, we used to vaccinate to the skin and used to cause all these problems. And then the media and the CDC, they're just covering up. It's just like a frontal lobotomies we did to the 50s. Like, we look back, like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe we should do that. Well, once we really look at how invasive these vaccinations truly are, I truly believe that we're going to look back and realize one day, how invasive they are.

Dr. Paul  45:39  
Yeah. It's unfortunate to me that this world we live in today where the paradigm is, vaccines are safe and effective, we need pharma to survive. Where would we be without vaccines without pharma, when in fact, you know, stories like yours, your own personal experience, your family, your practice, where you focus on health and nutrition and supporting the immune system naturally, and you don't disrupt the natural order of the immune system with vaccines, you have incredible outcomes. But we need a new paradigm. How are we going to get there?

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  46:14  
Right? Well, I think we need to just respect each paradigms that we all operate in, there's a massive purpose for the allopathic paradigm, there's a massive and it saves lives, it really does. But you know, vaccines, I in my opinion, really don't necessarily fit into the wellness and prevention paradigm. And so we need to up the walls that prevention paradigm is, is very much present. I mean, Benjamin Franklin said, An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. But we need to recognize that there really, pharmaceuticals have no place in a wellness and prevention paradigm. pharmaceuticals are much very much needed. But they're they don't really fit into that paradigm. And so that's where I knew in the wells that progression paradigm is, is basically teaching people how to eat well move well think well relate well. And we can be well, and again, and if we need an allopathic intervention, that's thank the Lord for that. Because, you know, the allopathic world, or the the or the doctors have of that emergency character, the trauma care, and they are the experts, the doctors are the experts, and very much we all have a certain place. And so that's my, my really understanding of how we get there just really educating and not, you know, how you say it sensor, the docs that are speaking out into the walls prevention paradigm? And yeah,

Dr. Paul  47:31  
we need both for sure. I think the emphasis could shift towards wellness, and we would be way better off. But yeah, if you need an appendectomy, or emergency C section, or, you know, some trauma you've been in, we're in the best system in the world for that sort of care. Right? What's your take on COVID? And what are you telling your patients or your loved ones?

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  47:57  
Oh, man, that's a loaded question. Well, so you know, I, there's so much to this, because, you know, I saw this early on, you know, I've been, we had a talk in November of, of 2019. You know, we had the early on in 2019. I believe that it foreshadow the pandemic, you have the ACI p, which is a subdivision of the CDC talk about how, you know, they can't force vaccinate, but of course, compliance. Well, I that raises the question, well, how are they going to do that? Right. You know, and then you have the World Health Organization early on, say that the greatest threat to the World Health are those who question or refuse vaccinations, then you have easily heavy VAT to a one, which is super weird. And then you have all this stuff going down. Okay, so in fall, and none, let alone the legislation. If you looked at all the legislation, all the bills that were being implemented, that were very draconian in nature, like the SB 277, under the California that pass, and all these other bills that were sweeping the nation, like in Maine, and and I believe that Mississippi, but if you have, you know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there's something coming our way. And so I spoke out in November of 2019 ice and I held a seminar and I said something big is coming our way. We need to be proactive in this fight. We need to stay alert. Well, if then while the crony baloney hidden 2020 And basically, is when I had another seminar in February, I said, This is it. This is the Trojan horse and funnels legislation, this is what they're gonna do. And so I came off as a nutty loon to all of my family and a lot of my patients. I mean, I think I lost a third of my patience because I was very vocal in this fight. And then I was talking about the PCR test how it's not meant to be diagnostic, and there's a lot of questions there with a PCR test. And you know, and, you know, then I had, I'd have, you know, people come up to me and say, Listen, I had a lady reached out to me, he said, My husband was in a mortgage coach died of a motorcycle accident and they they labeled it as COVID. So there was just all these stories that were really weird. are coming our way. But, you know, again, a lot of there was a lot of people like listening to me, but they weren't saying anything they weren't speaking out, they were just listening. And, you know, my family, unfortunately, a lot of my, my in laws, they just, they don't even talk to me now. They work in the hospital, and they just they think I'm crazy. Yeah, you know, but, but what I would tell my patients is that there's nothing to fear one of my great mentors. So that fear is the fire that fuels the furnace of disease. And if we are in a fearful state, we are in a sympathetic state, which is going to be leave us vulnerable, vulnerable for disease. And so, and that's why I think it's criminal that if we're in a pandemic, why is there a constant death count on the media? NASAT 20, for our death count, all you're doing is you're almost breeding this fear mongering state with the people causing the panic. I mean, I've had patients that have a common cold, and they freak out, like, I need to go to the hospital like this day at home. You're okay. If the media wasn't portraying this beat in the COVID drum, you just be just fine. And you recover in a couple days. Yeah, nothing to fear here. You know, and we know now that there's a lot of this stuff coming out from Desert of your house faulty, and that the protocols are was killing people. It's not the not COVID.

Dr. Paul  51:06  
And what was your experience in your practice with COVID?

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  51:11  
I mean, again, early on in the COVID, I lost a third of my people, but you know, I, I didn't really they left the practice, they love to practice because I wasn't following. I wasn't complying to the mandate. And and I don't mean, any disrespect to anybody that was following the guidelines. I mean, you know, I just chose to be stubborn. And I was, I didn't wear a mask and I and I had to put my hands on it was what I do for a living, I put my hands on every patient, so I had to violate one of their guidelines. So I said, I'm not it's childish. I'm not going to do this. And

Dr. Paul  51:48  
I imagine you and your staff got COVID. And a lot of your patients did,

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  51:53  
right? No, well, honestly, man, none of us. I didn't get sick once, during the whole pandemic. And you know, that's what I spoke out to against the city council. I said, Listen, I've been seeing patients, two or 300 patients a week here at night, and I come in close proximity. And I don't wear a mask, and I've yet to get sick. I mean, I mean, I asked the question, how many people do I have to see for the contagion claim is mathematically impossible? You know what I mean? Yeah, so. But that being said, and I would, I would tell patients, like there's nothing there's fear, and I would, you know, blaming the disease on a droplet is really like blaming the flies for the trash. And, you know, if this germ theory were really true, we'd all be dead. That's not to say that germs can cause a problem, or issues in the body, but blaming us I mean, I tell people if they're sick, or I'm coming to just sit or do this, and that I'm not afraid of this. And I never got sick. And I honestly, truth be told, I actually would have a ton of patients come in and they said, Well, I've got I just test tested positive for COVID, today or yesterday. And I said, Well, you're doing the best thing you can right now it's come see me, and I never got sick. This is one of those things where that might actually challenge some people's belief systems, but but it's really just, you know, live a healthy lifestyle. And that's what I do try to be new away from that toxicity deficiency in the purity insufficiency. And we can be well, nothing, nothing to fear. Now, you know, if you're elderly and vulnerable, if you have other comorbidities going on, you're more likely to get sick. And that's, that's, that's a fact. But going back to the Spanish flu, 100 years ago, there's so many parallels that we're running to this day there, you know, I have an article hanging in my office that I bought, you know, 10 years ago about Spanish flu. I talked about how much manipulation of data was occurring back then. And how the media was pushing us fear mongering. And the article even stated that they're, you know, about mask because they're pushing mask, and I have pictures of people wear masks or go to jail is like this virtue signaling going on. And, you know, the, the article, the author stated, there's a there's a hawk fence, keep up mosquitoes referring to the virus, and it was comical, but that means that I digress. But it was just, it's just there's so many parallels going on and where history is literally repeating itself. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  54:04  
absolutely. Well, what burning thoughts would you like to share with my audience?

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  54:13  
Well, the biggest thing is obviously, you know, do your homework when it comes to these vaccines. And, you know, coercion is not consent. And that's a big thing that I see across the board. That's what's that, what that's one thing that does fuels, my fire and it like, it makes my blood pressure rise is when I have patients come out of the PDF pediatricians office and they said that the pediatrician has said, you know, your, your child's gonna die if you don't get this hepatitis B vaccine, or your child's gonna die if you don't get this shot, and that's really terrible.

Dr. Paul  54:43  
Yeah. If you've been talking about a newborn born to a mom who does not have hepatitis B, that newborn is not going to die if they don't get that shot.

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  54:50  
Right, exactly. Right. You know, and that's where, you know, excuse me, you know, that's why I love doctors like you. You tell the truth and you care about the patient. And if you're not going to use fear mongering, if you feel a check in your spirit that you're you're being coerced to do something that's going against your beliefs or, or anything like that you should leave that office immediately. There's nothing to fear when it comes to this, we need to understand that God may your your baby and your immune system be well, if you give the body what it needs, you can be well, and you know, overcoming diseases, like Corona is far greater than anyone including Dr. Fauci as it permitted us to believe, you know, and so treat the body well, and your body will treat you. Well.

Dr. Paul  55:33  
Super. And one last question for you. I'm going to give you a tough one here. So what do you recommend? Or have you seen helpful for people who are vaccine injured, especially the COVID-19 shots?

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  55:48  
Well, you know, when the COVID go into the COVID vaccine, I'm telling people to fast, you know, especially if you have a really, really acute injury. I mean, fasting is I would recommend, but also some, if it's a serious situation, like, you know, there's some people that have major injuries from this. And fasting is not going to do them any good. But I think, you know, I tell people to fast, I've been telling people to detox the best they can. But this shot is different. It's not your typical vaccine. And so I feel like we are very early on in this vaccine have seen what this is going to do to people. I mean, there's, there's already I've seen data and literature with that talk about the myocarditis that's occurring. So obviously, any inflammation, you know, avoid inflammatory foods, get your or your omega threes up to help combat the Omega six nine ratios helps. So to help the inflammatory process in the body, take some, you know, natural anti inflammatories in the body, but avoid the sugar, the alcohol, the inflammatory foods, obviously, and that's kind of my angle of of things, you know, but going outside of that is, you know, you're going to see different things with this vaccine. It's the technology, this is something we've never seen before. And they want to basically incorporate all vaccines eventually to be mRNA to have a vaccine technology, which is terrifying to me. Absolutely. Terrifying. Yeah. So Well,

Dr. Paul  57:14  
thank you for that. Let you have the closing words. I really appreciate your time. Yeah,

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  57:20  
well, doc file. I just appreciate you I appreciate us. I mean, the time is now for us to stand and not be complacent. I mean, Martin Luther Chang stated that, you know, Martin Luther King Jr. said that the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands at times of comfort and convenience, but where he stands in times of challenge and controversy. Now's not the time to be complacent. Now's not the time to conform to the narrative here. Now's the time to be bold and courageous to stand our ground, to be the salt and light of the earth. And you know, we must not fear persecution, we are going to be persecuted, but we must welcome it every time you anybody in history that took a stand for truth was with face persecution, okay. But our convictions must be greater than our complacency, to speak the truth because the soil for truth right now is rich, the people are starving for it. God demands it and our family deserves it. So,

Dr. Paul  58:15  
Amen, brother. Amen. That is a very powerful closing statement. Thank you so much for coming on our show. And I can't wait to see you in the real real flesh one of these days. Yeah. Thanks

Dr. Ben Tapper, DC  58:25  
so much, Paul. Take care. God bless you too, buddy. God bless.

Dr. Paul  58:34  
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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Paul Welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. This show features an almost entire show on Dr. Russell Blaylock. Dr. Russell Blaylock is the Associate Editor in Chief of the neuro inflammation section of the journal surgical neurology International. He's also a neurologist who's written extensively on topics including excitotoxins immune activation, aluminum, and the connection between excessive vaccination and autism spectrum disorders. He was willing to tackle the elephant in the room back when I was just figuring this all out for the past two decades. He's written extensively. This is a powerful interview. After the interview, I don't usually do this, but he wrote this to me and I just have to share it. I wanted to thank you for the excellent interview. You are one of the best interviewers I've ever experienced. You are very kind. And I wanted you to know I greatly admire your courage, strength and great wisdom. I have read your policy for your practice and I think it is one of the best everywhere. Thank you Dr. Blaylock. That was really kind and wonderful to read. You are one of my heroes and folks you are about to witness an incredible interview. And then we top it off with none other than Bernadette who's talking about yet this weaponization of public health. Oh boy, fasten your seat belts. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul here from the heart, have you or perhaps someone in your world, your circle of loved ones struggled with focus issues with anxiety or depression or drug use. I read just this week in JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association that adolescent overdoses are skyrocketing, they doubled in 2020. We went from 518 and 2020 to almost 1020 21. The CDC reports 100,000. If you look at all age groups, and 2021 the crisis is not limited to just overdoses, the rate at which we're seeing ATD ADHD, inattention, anxiety and depression is nothing like ever before. We are under an enormous amount of stress. So it causes me to pause as I was evaluating an 11 year old boy, this just today, his inattention is now affecting schoolwork at a level that is distressing to him and to his family. And the question comes up, you know, why did we not see this? couple generations ago? I think about my grandparents, my parents. Sure there were people in that generation who were quirky, who maybe had some anxiety, maybe were a bit inattentive, or a bit hyper, but they were functional at very high levels. We just weren't seeing these things at that level of intensity and severity. Each generation it's getting worse. I struggled with being hyper and inattentive. My kids struggled more. Why? Why do we struggle more, I was having this discussion with a young man who struggles himself. And we were sort of kicking this around. There is so much input upon us so much stress, if you think about the amount of inflammation kids process today, it's astronomical compared to what I had to deal with as a kid. And then you add the toxic overload that comes from environmental toxins, be they from vaccines, or just food that we're eating that's got, you know, pesticides in it, glyphosate, we are under a lot of stress. And then of course, just the stress of the news and the drumbeat of fear that gets into our spirit and our soul. So as a from the heart. The message I wanted to share was if you're feeling any level of distress, and you're finding that you can't focus or that your anxiety level is reaching levels that you just shouldn't have to deal with. It's time to look within, it's time to get turn the news off, turn the noise off, get the screens out of your life, walk in nature, focus inner to that inner love that is within all of us and connect with people who can support you nurture you and allow you to walk in a journey that takes you back to a place of peace. I'm Dr. Paul

welcome Dr. Russell Blaylock to against the wind doctors and science under fire. You've been one of my heroes for a very long time.

Dr. Russell Blaylock  4:39  
Well, thank you that's I don't know that I deserve it. But I thank you.

Dr. Paul  4:45  
I'm gonna show our audience why you deserve it. There's two big things we're going to do today. One is the reason you are first My hero is I went through as a general pediatrician, this phenomenon of noticing kids not doing well and no Listen, kids regressing into autism. And we would hear from our peers Association does not mean causation. Because I would hear this story from patient after patient, they got their one year shot or their 18 month shots and they regressed? Well, yeah, to show causation. And you can correct me if I'm wrong or elaborate on this one needs to have more than just one study, you need to have plenty of data. And you also need to have a mechanism that explains the connection. There's more cars on the road. That doesn't mean more cars on the road caused autism, for example. And what what you did early on was you really showed us the mechanism, how I was going through some of your papers, and thank you for sharing them. I'd read most of them in the past, but being reminded was great. And this was right around the time I was waking up. So I was reading your work 2003 the central role of excitotoxicity in autism spectrum disorders 2004 excitotoxicity, a possible central mechanism and fluoride neurotoxicity 2004, chronic microglial activation excitotoxicity secondary to excessive immune stimulation, possible factors and Gulf War Syndrome and Autism 2008 the truth behind the vaccine cover up? Oh, that was the big story that Simpson would conference were behind closed doors, they had the data showing Mercury thimerosal that was in the vaccines was causing problems. And they worked to get rid of it. Another 2008 The danger of excessive vaccination during brain development, the cause for a link to autism spectrum disorders. And now more recently 2018 immuno excitotoxicity as the central mechanism of eto pathology and treatment of autism spectrum disorders, a possible role of fluoride and aluminum. Backtracking to your early work with autism and those articles that I brought up, maybe just share with our audience, your background and how you got into this area of medicine.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  7:02  
Well, Ron, I started when I wrote my first book, which was excitotoxin, tastes good that kills. And I just mentioned in there as during one of the chapters on brain development, and excitotoxicity, and acid with it, you know, it makes sense this, this could certainly be a possible cause for it. I didn't have all the mechanism worked out, but it was kind of a hint, I just mentioned it in the book. Well, a lot of mothers read it, and they latched on to it and thought that was something reasonable. And they were trying to find out how to get these substances out of their children's diet. Well, I got into deeper and deeper research, and it led to microglial activation, which is the primary immune cell in the brain. And as I began to study it, in a lot of depths, I saw Well, there's a very strong connection between the immune activation of these micro glial cells and excitotoxicity. And that connection is the microglia, when it's activated by the immune stimulation, secretes large amounts of glutamate very large amount. And that triggers brain over activity, and seizures that we see in autism, it produces damage to the developing prefrontal cortex, the limbic system. All of these systems that we see involved in autism I was seeing in the literature based on that alone. Well, I found a few articles that did link the immuno stimulation, immune stimulation, and excitotoxicity. So I'll follow that up. And I coined the term immuno excitotoxicity. Because what, when I went through all the literature, what I found, I never found a case where you could stimulate the immune system of the brain, and you didn't get excited with toxicity, it always occurred together. The more I look at the different complexities of this, the more obvious connection was being made. While I was going to meetings, and I was giving lectures about it, and I was mostly ignored, everybody had their theory of what was causing it. But to me, everything that you could see in this, this syndrome, was explained by this immuno excitotoxicity mechanism and a lot of other things. The other mechanisms, they were scratching their head, well, we don't know why it does this. And we don't know how to do that. But this was so straightforward. It just was very linear. And the complexity was explained the changes in the brain wave developmental systems and what systems were involved were matched perfectly with the maturation of these microglia cells they arrived. Why males were involved more than females, or males have a lot more microglia than the females in the beginning of development. As in female ages after birth, it becomes pretty much equal but in that early phase, when you're most sensitive to autism, that's when that microglia is much more populous in the male brain. Well, I kept trying to get researchers, I'd go to these meetings, I say, would you just do microglial activation scanning, you could do a scan, and you can see these microglial activation, nobody would do it. No matter what I said, I said, it's simple to do. Just look, if for no other reason. Well, fortunately, the Johns Hopkins department of neuroinflammatory, Madison did a study. And it was far better than even

Dr. Paul  10:38  
I wanted the autopsy study by Vargas,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  10:41  
right. And what they did is they followed these autistic brains as they as they would mature and die all the way to age 44. And what they found is exactly what I was saying that the microglia are activated for 44 years after this own set. So it answered all these questions why these, these children keep having problems. And I get a lot of emails from mothers who have older children, some are in their 40s. And they're having seizures, uncontrollable seizures, and and all kinds of of neuropsychiatric problems. And this explains, because they're microglia are permanently activated, and they cannot shut down. And this seems to be what these vaccines are doing. Well, I also knew, from these studies, that it takes very little peripheral immune stimulation to activate brain microglia. Almost anything, even minor surgery will activate your market. So there was a lot of things that was activating these microglia. The vaccines are very powerful stimulant because of the adjuvant. But not only is the adjuvants systemically activated your immune system, which call it profound brain activation, but the aluminum in it and the mercury in it, traveling to the brain. Now it's lodged in the brain for prolonged periods, producing a constant activation of these microglia and triggering those immune cytotoxicity reaction. The trick is how, how can we get the metals out of the brain? And how can we make the the brain immune system do what it's normally does, and that is shut down. So what I've been sort of puzzling was all these years is trying to figure out how best to do that. Unfortunately, there are a lot of nutritional things that seem to do that they will shut off these microglia. And that was sort of how I got got to this stage. Wow. kind of fascinating.

Dr. Paul  12:39  
That's that's a beautiful synopsis because I went on that journey with you. But you were really leading the pack in the in the thinking of this and writing about it. So thank you. I'm since you planted that seed, I have to follow through and ask you, What things have you found because I know we want to help these patients. I know I've seen in some instances going gluten free dairy free will make a huge difference. Going organic, shedding cleaning up the gut, you know, the microbiome, those things can sometimes help a lot. But I was wondering what other things you've found that, you know, we can talk about that sometimes are helpful.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  13:17  
Well, we knew kind of early on magnesium played a big role, and they really didn't quite understand. But magnesium is a pretty potent inhibitor of inflammation of the brain. And it plays a big role in energy production by the brain. So that was a good lead there. And one of the glutamate receptors called in and NMDA receptor is regulated by magnesium, it shuts that receptor down until it's activated by normal brain function. So if your the magnesium is low in the child, which occurs when you vaccinate, but you produce systemic inflammation, that lowers the body's magnesium level rather dramatically, particularly if it's chronic inflammation. So that child and even later in life can become severely magnesium deficient. That makes these receptors hyper reactive. Now they can activate on their own. They don't even need a stimulus any longer. This is what we're saying and that Vargas study was that we're just you're just having a continuous microglial activation, and the normal regulatory mechanisms are not setting it down. So I started looking at at a number of phytochemicals, particularly things like curcumin quesiton ambegaon luteolin, and I found a lot of those substances will lower inflammatory cytokine generation and they will shut off the microglia. So I think the trick is, at what age do you start things and it appears because you're going through the developmental Windows If you can't pass the window and then started, because now that's fixed. But there's so many stages of this degeneration because of the prolonged activation. And we started looking at one of the things really interesting I say, Well, what happens when you stroke when you have a stroke or head injury? Same thing microglial activation immuno excitotoxicity. And so there was a researcher out in California who was doing some work on it, he quoted some papers. And what he found you could take a stroke patient, 10 years after the stroke, you could lower their TNF alpha levels. And they had dramatic improvement. When all all neurologists are saying when there's no way to turn them back their juniors stroke, yeah, but they're changing. They were improving. So I said, Well, maybe this is the same thing is going to occur, and he's autistic kids. Is that even 10 years after they've been autistic? What if you lower those inflammatory? cytokine? Because they're driving excitotoxicity. And so some of the parents who put their kids on excitotoxin predive. They've done some of these things I've said and grow dramatically better?

Dr. Paul  16:15  
Yeah. No, that's a really good tip and your preferred sources of magnesium.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  16:23  
Preferred? What?

Dr. Paul  16:25  
What, what are the best ways parents can get magnesium into their kids?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  16:29  
Well, of course, vegetables are really high in magnesium. So if you could convince your

Dr. Paul  16:37  
man, grandma was right, after all, eat your vegetables.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  16:41  
Now, the new nuts are high in magnesium as well, and peanuts, walnuts and cashew nuts. But the problem is they're also high on glutamate, which is excitotoxin. Yeah, but I don't recommend that. Now there are forms of magnesium, you can give a trial, like magnesium malate. I prefer the powdered form because you can regulate the dose very easily. Magnesium is not very toxic. I mean, it would take a pretty high dose of magnesium to produce any kind of toxicity at all. That's so I don't worry about it, particularly orally. All the complications of magnesium are based on intravenous magnesium. Yeah. There's a lot of forms of magnesium bouknight, magnesium malate, magnesium citrate, and they're usually well absorbed over the other forms of magnesium.

Dr. Paul  17:38  
Yeah. Perfect. Okay. I want to pivot to your most recent article about COVID. What is the truth? But before we go, there's anything else you wanted to highlight for people, as relates to your previous research relating to autism, neuro development, immune activation? Is there something we should let them know that we haven't covered?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  18:02  
Well, one of the things is, you know, at one point, there was a lot of interest in mercury and mercury in vaccines is the cause. And it was mercury poisoning, and everybody was writing about it. And I looked at and did a lot of research. And I wrote a three part article that included about how Mercury's actually doing that, which was quite interesting. And I realize that aluminum in the vaccine may be more important than America. And so I put that in the article. Well, it didn't get a lot of attention. Everybody was still hot on the mercury issue. And I was trying to get them interested in aluminum because it said aluminum, when it's in the brain stays there. And one of the cells that likes a lot of microglia and likes astrocytes, most of which are sources of these excitotoxin. And no one was paying any attention to it. And I made a prediction at the time because everybody said, Well, we're getting ready to remove mercury from vaccines and, and autism is going to raise they're going to drop precipitously.

Dr. Paul  19:05  
That's what I thought and it didn't happen.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  19:08  
Well, I put in there and I say, it's not going to happen. And I got a lot of criticism for well, you are right. And I said it's gonna be the aluminum and until you get the aluminum. Here, you're gonna have to see a precipitous difference. And anytime you're overstimulating with an adjuvant, say, make another metal or some other way to stimulate the immune system. It doesn't matter what it is, if it's a powerful adjuvant, it's going to activate the microglia in the brain, and it's going to trigger the same toxicity. That's what we need to do.

Dr. Paul  19:39  
So I've come to the same conclusion with aluminum being number one culprit. And I was always worried about the fact once I figured out Oh, wow, the autism rate didn't change when they took most of the mercury out. They simultaneously made a massive push because I'm a pediatrician busy at that time, so I experienced it in my practice. To move the hepatitis B vaccine from teenagers to newborns, right around 2000 2001, when we were getting the mercury out of the vaccine, it was like this simultaneous push. And I, in retrospect, and well, what the heck?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  20:14  
You see, and I think what they did at that time, they didn't realize that aluminum was calling again. So to cover them, so they wanted this hepatitis B vaccine at birth, just in case there wouldn't be any difference and, and the autism, right, yeah. Yeah. And I think that this, this was their insurance policy. Yeah, were they did they produce a lot of neurologic damage? There's not related to outfit. For instance, one of the studies found that with the hepatitis B vaccine in adults, about two or three years after the vaccine, it increases the incidence of multiple sclerosis about six fold. Wow. I mean, these are tremendous. Now they did just like the they've done with these other articles. When that article came out, it got a lot of attention. And they retracted it. Arthur's of the store of the article, were so incensed, they said, this was a very, very carefully done study, they resubmitted to a nerve, another journal, and it was accepted to literature. But if it's causing MS is causing other autoimmune diseases as well,

Dr. Paul  21:23  
yeah. Wow. It's a sordid story with vaccines. And then comes COVID. So you wrote this masterpiece. COVID update? What is the truth? This was in surgical neurology international April, just last month, of 2022. Tell me a little bit about what led up to writing that. Why, why did you want to do that? Well,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  21:49  
I write a newsletter, a health newsletter, a monthly newsletter. And so when COVID came out, I started writing about it. And I was interviewed by a news station when COVID first start. And I said, I was one of the first to say, well, you know, this is overblown. This virus is not as dangerous as your projected, they cut me off. Right in the middle of the broadcasts, I

Dr. Paul  22:15  
didn't want you to say that

Dr. Joel Wallskog  22:16  
they wanted panic, you know, we're looking for panic. And you're saying, This isn't that big of a deal? And it turned out of course, that was right. The only people it was it was really dangerous for when people have extreme age and severe obesity or comorbidity, those people are in danger, but they're in danger of all virus, even mine bars. For instance, I pointed out in several articles, I said, you know, the studies of nursing home patient shows that the mortality from the common cold virus in nursing homes 80%, which is about a COVID. Yep. So what we're saying is, you got a virus and you hyping it, you're telling me this is a deadly virus, and all these people are dying. And of course, it does have actions that would put these people if you had diabetes, or hypertension, or cardiovascular disease, and you're 80 years old, 85 years old, you're very fragile, particularly the frail people. And they're nutritionally deficient. They are deficient in magnesium, they're at high risk, virtually anything. And that's why I'm 8580 or 79 years old. People start dying off very quickly. And so when I looked at it, when it first started, I said, you know, 50% of all the deaths in the United States in the beginning, are nursing home. They weren't in housing beaten. They weren't even in people in our community who had these comorbid diseases. And so we saw that number one, once they started the lock downs and all these other things. What they were doing is denying people medical care, follow up, right. They don't want to go in for their diabetes checkups. I want to go into their post cancer treatment, follow up. hypertension, cardiovascular disease, they're one getting followed up. And then morticians were saying, you know, what we're saying is people are dying at home, because they're scared to go to the hospital. Reading the stories, when you go to the hospital, you die. So they don't know. And they die at home. And he said almost everything we see. And this is a bear toss interview mortician in New York. He said almost everything we're seeing is people are dying, not have COVID but have heart attack, stroke, diabetes, complication cancer, but they're just dying at home. And he said a lot of them could be saved. They'd gotten to the hospital and had normal follow up and treatment, but they're not getting it and verify. We're saying many a patient told me he said they they look at the hospitals is a Death House.

Dr. Paul  24:53  
And they sort of came that way with their protocols.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  24:56  
Right. And what really struck me in The beginning was I said, this is the first time in the history of infectious disease that we were told you do not treat an infection early. You wait until the patient is uncontrollable in the hospital and you put them on rash. Why didn't you give them all these drugs? And we said, you know, this is unprecedented. The principle of infectious disease, you treat the infection as early as possible. Yep. Or the immune system is still functional and can overwhelming infection, that's when you're most likely to defeat the infection. If it's out of control, the immune system is suppressed, the infection begins to grow really fast. Yeah. And then you get this overactive immune system which led to the cytokine storm. And what were shown by the pathophysiological studies was, once you get to the hospital, almost all the virus is gone. So it's a different disease. It's an immune overactivity disease. Yeah, and I think one of the papers that I've sent here was the cytokine storm as immuno excitotoxicity reaction. Suitable evidence. I mean, if you read the paper, all immune cells operate by immuno excitotoxicity. And the damage is really not by the immunological system. It's excitotoxicity, which is at the end point. It's activating glutamate receptors in lung tissue, heart tissue. And that's what's actually doing the tissue damage.

Dr. Paul  26:25  
Yeah, absolutely. So what were the tools of indoctrination? You talk about this in your paper on the COVID update?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  26:33  
Well, this was another thing that was unprecedented. Suddenly, you saw just an unbelievable effort to silence everyone who had any caution or questioned anything and bureaucracies were say, for instance, I first started out and I said, this is not that dangerous of a virus. I was immediately Simpson. I got criticized anytime I wrote anything in my newsletter, anything else about? Here's how you protect yourself, don't worry about this virus, even if you're old and frail. If you do these things and boost your immune system a little bit, and you follow your nutrition and some of the things we known that prevent cytokine storm and quickly reverse cytokine storm then this will never happen. And you won't go to hospital and you'll be just fine. Well, I had friends and neighbors and stuff that do what I said, and they could tractor COVID and two or three days they will well and they felt fine. Not one of them went to hospital. And so it worked. You know, and in my cytokine storm paper I showed that a study that was done and reproduced cytokine storm, the viral cytokine storm showed that if you give curcumin particularly the highly absorbable nano curcumin that it completely cleared the cytokine storm very rapidly. And all animals that had the cytokine storm recovered the ones that were treated conventionally all DoD. Yeah, so we work and I've continued to use it. And then guys are relatives and stuff. And they all say the same thing. I got well, very quickly, I do find my sister had code. And she got pretty sick before she contacted me and I put her on and stuff. She got well within three or four days. And she was fine.

Dr. Paul  28:22  
Yeah, fantastic. Curcumin in the right form where it's highly absorbable.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  28:27  
Yeah, and a lot of the recommendations you're saying, but it's people saying well give curcumin and they say we give it once a day or quesiton once a day, once a day don't do anything, because if it's clear from the session about three or four hours, yeah. And both of them are poorly poorly absorbed. I'd say the Nano curcumin, you get a high absorption, high tissue distribution enters the cell very easily. And there's a considerable literature on that. Yeah, I switched to that. And both curcumin and nano curcumin and nano carcinogen, are very powerful in this regard, and do a lot of things to protect the brain protect the heart, lungs, liver,

Dr. Paul  29:07  
do you have a preferred source for those products?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  29:12  
Yeah, there's a company in Florida called one planet nutrition. And I've worked with them because I wonder if I'm a total monster. I don't want even things made in China. And and it's got to be tested by third party lab to make sure I don't get anything for this. He was just asking me the question I said. And I said it's important to get third party testing for contaminants and make sure you get them anywhere but China. And he did that he stuck to it very closely. And he does his third party testing and that's his products aren't I gotta take his now he's got a whole range and animal products. And I'm looking at some newer ones he have that are very, very interesting in that regard.

Dr. Paul  29:58  
So besides that, are a massive effort in the public media to indoctrinate us with a just a top down message, you know, the sky is falling. It really felt like logic and reasoning just went out the window and we weren't looking at science anymore. And if you tried to talk about it, you were shut off. You were censored.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  30:17  
We're on. In fact, if you were called anti science, we can produce all the literature where here's the science, this is the best studies out there. This is the people that are doing the intensive examination of well, you are considered myth, spreading myths, disinformation,

Dr. Paul  30:36  
misinformation, disinformation information, how have you avoided the medical boards?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  30:41  
Well, I'd see as it continued to increase because some doctors, not many monks were compliant. Some doctors were speaking out and they said, Well, we got to sign on to all physicians. And so what they did, they went through the amount of boards and they said, anybody who says anything about this vaccine, other than it is safe and effective. Take their license away. Yeah, the Medical Association's, I don't care what it is or whatever, especially your annual medical association, same thing. Anybody who's dissident, right, remove them from your medical association, and have him removed from hospitals. And then it went further winter Germar. Of course, you know, almost all journal articles, a heavily heavily dependent on advertisers. So the vaccine pharmaceutical companies, they advertise heavily in virtually every journal. So they have a lot of influence. And so if they, if they publish an article they don't like, they say we'd like that retracted. And that seems that's exactly what they retracted. And I put in as our constant. I've never seen so many articles retracted. You'd see it every now and then. But it's it's common now. Always an article that goes against the pharmaceutical company. It has nothing to do with pharmaceutical companies and nothing to do with, with these people that are controllers, its public system problems, even really bad research.

Dr. Paul  32:06  
The truth? Crazy. So so because you've written so extensively, and you've been following this COVID story. What can you say to the public are the known dangers now?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  32:20  
Well, there's several things that that originally, we said myths, and they've been debunked, that are very important. One of them was they looked at the immune cells and found out this spike protein and the Nano carrier that was used in the vaccine, they found out it produces immune suppression, and it enters the immune cell. And it inhibits the ability of an immune cell to function. Well, after that research, I started looking at vaccinated patients. And that's exactly what they saw. And even the CDC and who and these other institutions had admitted that after about three or four months, their immunity not only wanes, but now it's so low, you're susceptible to a whole lot of infection, and you're susceptible to cancer and neurodegenerative diseases. Because now your immune system is far less functional than it was in the beginning. And that's why they started the boosters. Now, you know, the court forced the pharmaceutical companies to release its its safety data, which they were hiding, you remember, they wanted to keep it hidden five years, and they wanted to 75 years, they want to keep it hid. Well, now we know why. Because it's full of evidence of enormous fraud. Yeah. And one of the things that was fraudulent was this immune suppression and that they had already designed a series of boosters, so that every time somebody's immunity failed, I started getting COVID infections and other infection. They say you need another booster. And then that booster would, each time you get a booster it goes down a little lower.

Dr. Paul  34:00  
Of course, the problem you and I know is that it suppresses your immune system against everything. And there are only vaccinating against one little entity. And even at that it's just a little sequence within a Coronavirus genome sequence. So it's a disaster.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  34:17  
Oh, it's an absolute disaster and saying I really was concerned about it. What's this doing to the brain? The nervous system, right. And what we're finding is there's these cases several of them so far, and people with valving prion disease. know we've got a mad cow disease. I've seen patients like that it's our think of one we can speak to again swallow the king. There's not much you can do. What's different about this is most prion diseases take as long as a decade before it becomes clinical even, you know, 510 year. This is within months of the vaccine. Yeah, patients are dying. We're seeing a other neurodegenerative diseases, multiple sclerosis, transverse myelitis. We're seeing all of these things a lot of peripheral neuropathy a whole lot of peripheral neuropathy. And we're gonna see increased Alzheimer's, and we're gonna see increased Parkinson's disease. And I predicted all of it. And one of the things I predicted in the children, I said, because they're vaccinating pregnant women, what you're going to see pretty soon is a tremendous increase in autism, and in schizophrenia. And the reason I knew that it was in several of my papers, I'd written about what happens when you stimulate the immune system of a pregnant woman, somewhere to transition to the third trimester. And what we knew was that if you do that, the incidence of autism increases dramatically. And I think there's something like a six fold increase in schizophrenia, but you're not going to see this schizophrenia to their best 1718 years of age. So these people figure well, we'll be in our fancy jets and flyover country, but that happened. We can. You see, this is so well. Now, this is really well known that that's what happens when you stimulate during pregnancy. And they started this with the flu vaccine, you remember?

Dr. Paul  36:11  
Oh, yeah. Innovation, right? Studies on immune activation, and you've done some of this work. It to me, it makes absolutely no sense to be injecting pregnant women with neurotoxins and adjuvants, because of that stimulation you're talking about.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  36:27  
Right? Right. And it's so well known. And the paper that you quoted, where I was talking about the immuno excitotoxicity, during brain development and floral aluminum. I put a big section in there about the neurobiology of the developing brain explaining how glutamate and cytokines have to do with migration of these, these stem cells to form the brain. And that if you raise those cytokines, or you raise excitotoxins, you have abnormal migration, and then the the Archaea tectonic patterns of the brain are disrupted for forever, forever.

Unknown Speaker  37:09  
Yeah, it's

Dr. Joel Wallskog  37:11  
raster

Dr. Paul  37:12  
are crazy scientists mess and this whole delving into mRNA gene manipulation, brings another whole level of risk, I think,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  37:25  
Well, you see in a lot about, they've been caught in so many lives. They told them media well, when this is in fact, injected in the arm, the measuring or RNA, and the Nano lipid carrier stays where it's the site of injection. Now, the Japanese sued them bola, and they got the original research before this was ever done before they did the safety study. And it showed that the bow distribution was all over the body. They went to the brain, heart, lungs, liver, pancreas. They knew that. Yep. And yet they were injecting millions of people with this vaccine. And you see, and this was another section on putting this paper why no octopuses?

Dr. Paul  38:10  
Yeah. Why? Tell me why no autopsies, more

Dr. Joel Wallskog  38:14  
when they started 100 feet 140,000 people had died before they did seven autopsy. Wow. And then about 180,000 people died before they even did the first series of autopsies, which was about 20 autopsies. And then there was about two and 50,000 people died before they did a large series. I mean, it's it was about ATP. So now we have a 10s of 1000s. And really hundreds of 1000 people die. Just in the United station this vaccine and fallacy says there's no need to do auto.

Dr. Paul  38:51  
Well, my day five, what might they find?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  38:55  
Interesting makes logical sense is people are dying from a vaccine even if it is 50 people. You want to know why. Yep. And you want to complete autopsy is the only thing that's gonna tell you what. And of course, one of the things they need to do is say where is this spike protein in this this deceased person? shows it's in the vessels which one of the all jobs did it's latched into the endothelial cells of the vessel, which goes to the brain goes everywhere else. Now we know all these young people are getting myocarditis and dying. Yeah, I'm dropping dad's athletes dropping on the field. Because it's the heart is filled and its vessels are filled with a spike protein, which is triggering this immune excited toxic reaction.

Dr. Paul  39:40  
Yeah, massive. And so I've read about hightlights. But you've studied it, what what's going on with that?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  39:50  
Where there was a researcher in the UK and he began to look at this. And what he did, he got all the players data, and he noticed that they had 20,000 Law As the vaccine being produced, with millions of doses per lot, and so he starts looking at the data of the numbers on the lats, and the complication rate per lot. And what he found every 200 lot, there was a huge increase in deaths of serious complications. And it was just regular clockwork every 200. And, you know, if, if this was just something at random, you would see scattered all through it. But the fact that it's every 200, was by design. And what he found is that the death rate with that Lot was 50 times higher than with other lawns. Wow. And that within the lots, you could have 1000s of fold increased death rates, and serious complication. So that means somebody's designing this. And of course, the idea was, well, somebody wants to see what will this do? So you get every 200, you give it a high dose to see what is this going to do? And you're killing? The death rate, just keep climbing, keep climbing moment.

Dr. Paul  41:09  
So would make you want to run out and get a booster, I imagine.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  41:13  
Yeah. The booster was absolutely phenomenal. He would say, Well, how can we not get this shot? I have to get it from all work. I'll say we'll ask your boss one request. Why would I take a set of vaccines for virus that no longer exists? Would you take a flu vaccine for strain that no longer exists? Now? So why would you take a vaccine which they say, Well, this is for the SARS cov. Two, it's gone well, and made it doesn't exist anymore. And now we're two variants down the road. And I say, well, that vaccine really doesn't do much of anything for the variant and the variants like the common cold. Yeah. Why are you taking boosters, which are exactly like the original? It's just for SARS. cov. Dude, why are you taking a booster for viruses gone? Sending this anymore?

Dr. Paul  42:05  
Doesn't make any sense of? Well, where do we go from here as as a site as scientists and doctors to dig our way out of this mess? Well, one of the things that really

Dr. Joel Wallskog  42:21  
upset me was the physicians remain style, because they had a real power of minutes, you can take your license away, or take your hospital privileges away, you will never make a living as a physician again, you just got to have fun. Another profession. Yeah. And they had that power and it scared position so much. They remain silent, even to the point of killing their patient. Yeah, that's what got me an accessory to murder

Dr. Paul  42:52  
it, it's going to destroy our physician population. And everybody else is complicit with this because our souls in our spirit have to know at some level, you have to know that you're doing wrong, or are we truly that capable of just compartmentalizing and justifying because we need to survive.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  43:15  
Some more. I think a fair segment of the physicians are just as you characterize, but a lot of them know exactly what's going on. And a lot of them are suspicious, because it for instance, would remdesivir you look at the scientist say why are you giving an antiviral agent that prevents viral replication when the studies clearly so by the time the patient gets the hospital, there's almost no bars left? Yeah. And that this has such a high complication and death rate. Right now they say we want to give it to one month old babies. Now Oh, my God. I mean, this is unbelievable. But it's something that if you're a physician, and the patient's family come to us or we won't ivermectin given to our loved one. And you say, Well, I'd like to do that the hospital won't let me and I'm gonna have to give remdesivir Well, I heard it destroys the kidneys and as head of the high mortality rate and destroys along. We asked that seems to be true. But the hospital says I have to take it. This initiative administrator who sit in his business suit in his office is now dictating medicine and how medical care will be conducted. I agree, though, I machten. Studies clearly show it's effective. Dr. Norton shows it's effective. Many other treatments show its effect. But this guy who's not a doctor who sits in this administrative office, is now dictating all medical care. So that's what you're facing.

Dr. Paul  44:48  
That's where we're at and this kickbacks financially to the hospitals that do what they're told.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  44:54  
Now you're I mean, you're looking at the hospital for auto if you admit a patient to the ICU, You get an extra $12,000 per patient. If you put them on a respirator, you get an extra $39,000 per patient, if you put them on remdesivir will give a 20% increase in reimbursement

Dr. Paul  45:12  
and they get even more money.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  45:16  
Yeah, that's fraud, and you should go and because people die, you should be charged with murder. Because that's mass murder. What is what has been perpetrated in the world, and in the United States is mass murder, by Fiat and decision by bureau bureaucrats and people in positions of power, who I've said, never treated a single COVID patient. Nobody in the CDC has ever treated a single COVID patient. They have no authority to tell hospitals how to treat patients. And yet every hospital I've ever contacted or talked to said, we follow the CDC protocol. Why? law says you have to smile you follow it, they've never treated a COVID patient. Here's Dr. Corey. He's treated 1000s. Here, Dr. McCauley 3000. Here's Dr. Malone, he he created this this vaccine system but quickly realized it was it was dangerous. Yep. Are you not listening to them?

Dr. Paul  46:15  
It's a world gone mad. It is. It's

Dr. Joel Wallskog  46:18  
and I hear from a lot of smart people around the world. But I get emails from around the world about this is they said it's like everybody's become a zombie.

Dr. Paul  46:28  
What should we do? Us as physicians, and then why should our listeners do it just people as citizens of the world?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  46:35  
Well, one is support those of us that are fighting, show your support. Silence is what they want. All totalitarian and authoritarian. They depend on silence to come to power and exercise our power, keep positive, because we have power and powers exposure and exposures happening. And it's happening by some very smart, powerful lawyers and people pushing this through the legal Oregon. And these people are you can tell they're scared, they're scared to death. And there's a guy that's a big whale on Wall Street, and he said they're terrified. They're absolutely terrified of what's being found. So we're really winning, but they own the media, so they don't let you know you're winning. So this is all gonna gonna blow up in their face. Sooner or later.

Dr. Paul  47:27  
I do believe that's true, folks. If you're listening, Dr. Blaylock, how can people reach you support you and your work?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  47:35  
Well, I don't really have a website or anything now. I'm 76 years old, I've sort of retired from thing. And I was drawn back into this. I was writing against vaccines in my newsletter, because I think vaccination is an antiquated way to to boost your immune system. Yeah. And I think, you know, that's been proven internationally, nutrition is the secret there. We need to get rid of this vaccination idea, but just just support you than the others of us that are doing it. That's what you need to do. Spread this article around, grant it wider. You know,

Dr. Paul  48:19  
I think you have just given us a call to action, to speak out, share the truth that you know, I mean, the truth does, when in the end, they call it misinformation for right now, but you know, you just can't deny all your loved ones starting to drop dead, or coming down with weird autoimmune conditions and new conditions. After getting the vaccine. You know, and every other person walking the planet is struggling for their survival health wise after having gotten the vaccine. Those who stand strong and say no, but lovingly share the information. We will win. Well, we'll have our pitch pitchforks, as you say, and we'll we'll go out into the streets and they can't stop us.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  49:03  
Right, right. That's what that's what that's how we won this revolution to form the United States. Yep. 10% of the inhabitants of United States won the American Revolution. Yeah. Wanting to go home. So it's always that way. It's always a core people who fight for everything. True in China,

Dr. Paul  49:26  
Dominic Blaylock, thank you so much for picking, picking up your weapon, which is your pen and your brain and jumping back in for the sake of humanity because as you clearly have shown to our audience, you're not in this for yourself. You're just simply want people to be informed so they can make good decisions. That's right. That's right. Thank you very much.

Dr. Russell Blaylock  49:48  
Thank you. Appreciate it.

Dr. Paul  49:55  
Welcome, Bernadette. It's always a pleasure to have you on against the wind. You are the public policy. Director of informed choice Washington and you hosted informed life radio and so much more. I'm looking forward to today's talk, because you're gonna bring to our attention, the way in which our public health system has been weaponized. And I think, you know, I was, and I'm pretty involved in this movement, and I wasn't aware to the extent so fasten your seat belt, folks. Let's have it, Bernadette.

Bernadette Pajer  50:22  
Okay, well, I have long said that public health enemy number one is capital letter public health, systemically they've been captured, as you will know, from the scientific journals, to the institutions where they're learning and they're being taught certain things and not being taught other things. We are in this crisis moment right now, where, because sort of world domination, one world order, the great reset is being implemented under the guise of public health, you know, everything is being directed in that manner. A lot of people a lot of your viewers will have already heard that there are some amendments being proposed to the World Health Organization's 2005 International Health regulation, those are very concerning, especially the ones coming from the United States. So I encourage your viewers to go to health freedom defense.org, health freedom defense.org. And there, you will find this you will find this world freedom declaration is opposed to these changes that would give the authority for the World Health Organization to basically declared emergency even if the state where they say it is says no, no, no, we're fine. Here, they would tell them the authority to step in and take control. You know, under the guise of public health and some health emergency, it's very concerning. So I encourage individuals to read the declaration and then go sign it. And there are some member organizations that have already signed on and proud to say informed choice. Washington has already signed the Declaration, Tennessee Coalition for vaccine choice, Stanford health, freedom, and some great individuals. And I'm sure your name will show up there too. Dr. Paul,

Dr. Paul  52:17  
I support this 100%. Folks, you need to understand that the World Health Organization is actually trying to exercise a massive power grab and and to give up our sovereignty to give up, you know, health is local, and and this concept that you can have some person at the World Health Organization, or whoever's controlling their narrative, control the whole world. And what we do, If we learned anything from the COVID fiasco is that these folks cannot be trusted with implementing worldwide change, because they just they're so conflicted.

Bernadette Pajer  52:53  
They're so conflicted and not be trusted. Exactly. And one other way individuals can be empowered is to go to stand for health freedom, stand for health freedom.com, and then look for this particular action item to support HR for 19. This, this house, believe it's a resolution would would call for the defunding of the world, World Health Organization, stop sending them funds. Based on what they propose to do, we cannot fund an organization is basically trying to invade our country,

Dr. Paul  53:28  
our public health system has been captured. And they're weaponizing it and it has nothing to do with public health whatsoever. It's just about promoting an agenda that's already failed. This, you know, vaccines, we're going to vaccinate our way out of every little infectious disease, quote, crisis, as opposed to understanding that natural immunity is superior by far, we've learned this from COVID. It's hands down. We don't need your quote vaccine, your genetic manipulation therapy. And when you let public health organizations who are conflicted and you let massive organizations like the World Health, give us the narrative, and everybody just follows down the line talking points. It's a disaster.

Bernadette Pajer  54:13  
I agree that it is a disaster. And it's not just global, what what has a more immediate impact and has been directly impacting our lives is right here domestically, and that's the American Public Health Association. So we've got a policy statement from October of 2021. From them addressing threats to public health practice. And pretty much in here, Dr. Paul, they summarize their opposition to everything we are attempting to do, to bring real science to bring scientific integrity to public health policy, and to ensure that individuals medical freedom is respected and not trampled. And if you go through and read this, you can go to a mph.org And look underneath their their policy statements, and you will find that you know what they list is the problem statement. While the SARS cov. Two pandemic has exacerbated, known and long lasting challenges facing the country's public health system, such as neglected infrastructure and inadequate funding new actions to limit the authority of public health in an environment of mistrust and disregard for public health science, public health actions and public health officials add further concerns and complexity. So they don't seem to understand that there is justification for the mistrust and the disregard. Right. And so we've we've got this sort of billion dollar tech, this isn't even taxpayer funded. This is a 501 C three, but with massive, they've got people in every county, in every state. This is this is our public health network, you know, an organization that they listen to. So they do think they need to rethink public health. We agree with that. Don't we completely rethink public health. Unfortunately, when you get into the nitty gritty, you see, they want to reform it, just like that California bill that that tried to push forward that said that if you didn't do what we said, we're going to defund your police and give them money to public health. You know, they they want more power and control, and almost like a Police Public Health police state in their mission. One of the things they said about people like you and I who oppose what they're doing is they say opposing views or arguments a session essentially consist of a dominant concern for oneself rather than others reliance on readily available misinformation, local control regarding promulgation of public health matter measures a pattern of distressed, you see where they're going their doctor?

Dr. Paul  57:08  
Well, so here's the problem, as you know, take my research, you know, that's personal is my practice. I'm seeing my unvaccinated patients incredibly healthy, they resist infection, they've been the least affected by COVID. They are actually providing herd immunity and a buffer for those who are more vulnerable. And yet, they're being blamed. And a doctor, like myself would be blamed by this current system and this doctrine, as were the problem, when in fact, we're the solution. And the problem is the public health system itself, with their misguided belief that they can vaccinate their way out of this issue, that the FDA would approved just this past week, a booster for five to 11 year olds for a vaccine that doesn't work anyway, that's now known to cut known to cause so much harm. It's just It defies any kind of logic. They've they've abandoned science, and they're now just a political organization. Yeah, I'm so disappointed with public health, that term is just trashed. It is

Bernadette Pajer  58:10  
it is trashed. But let's let's leave besides signing, going to stand for health, freedom, and the world freedom declaration, another action I'm encouraging your viewers to do, go to a ph.org, the American Public Health Association, and look for their upcoming June 14 policy action Institute. You can attend this online, it is a little expensive, but you could get yourself a watch party together, chip in pay for access, watch this. Learn what the the how they're being taught this, what they're being immersed in. And it really is this cult of absolutely worship in what they're doing. And it's very frightening and it makes it it's taking liberties from us. It's removing scientific integrity instead of putting it in. And you can tell by their welcome and Keynote, the speaker is Imran Ahmed from it's a one man operation the Center for countering digital hate, which was just invented in order to attack children's health defense. Bernadette pager. I'm not listed. I'm not big enough yet. But yeah, I mean, medical freedom,

Dr. Paul  59:28  
disinformation, 12, et cetera. If you if you provide scientific information that is against their narrative, you are called disinformation. Yes. And yes, it's just tragic. We are losing trust in public health and those of you who do happen to go watch that. You have to watch it with that understanding that what they're saying is propaganda. Because I don't want you to watch and go Oh, wow. Okay, so yeah, I'll advance and burn that Dr. Pol. Yeah, we can't listen to them anymore. No, we need to be aware of what they're doing, trying to silence anything that counters their narrative.

Bernadette Pajer  1:00:09  
Exactly this entire entity, the American Public Health Association, believes in masking up and locking down. And, and, and these very dangerous injections. And they think anybody opposed to it and and they're just they're swimming in their own misspent information and they can't see it. And I always want to remind people, people working in public health, for the most part, believe they're doing the right thing. They're being fed really bad information. But there are people at the top they know what they're doing. They know they're manipulating. They're know they're trying to take control, you know, and I said about a year or so ago. How do you get freedom loving? Good people who want to care for the num, their neighbor who believe in doing things that serve the greater good? How do you get them to willingly hand over their freedom? And sort of set aside critical thinking skills, you convince them that they're very breath is toxic to other people, even when they feel perfectly fine. I mean, it's really evil brilliance.

Dr. Paul  1:01:20  
But it's it's evil, brilliance, insanity. Absolutely. Now, public health. I mean, if we were to look at all cause mortality, and when you start to understand where it's coming from, it is the vaccine schedule. It is glyphosate and toxins in our world it is EMF excess, it is stressed to the excess, right. We're just inundated with fear that shuts down your immune system. I can go on and on. There are so many huge issues. We have over 100,000 overdoses a year now. That's, that's a public health issue. But no, the focus is just something that we can profit from, which is the shot that's making people 10s of billions of dollars. We got to wake up folks.

Bernadette Pajer  1:02:04  
Yes, we do. And we can we can we can make a difference if we all stay active, educate each other. Be the news.

Dr. Paul  1:02:11  
Absolutely. Thank you, Bernadette. The change is coming and you can be a part of it. I'm Dr. Paul.

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