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Dr. Paul Welcome to with the wind science revealed. My guest today is Mayor Brandon and his wife Joey, we discuss his journey after COVID vaccine injury. And what he did with becoming a mayor and his wife's role in his recovery from the vaccine effects. And the whole journey of becoming a mayor, this is a fascinating episode, Didi gets us to know them as a couple and what it was like for them going through this, enjoy the show. Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart, it's on my heart to talk about community. I feel so blessed to have this community, those of you who support the show, those of you who watch. And I feel blessed to have people in my life, who are loving, nurturing, supportive, no matter what, who are able to give me unconditional love. And I wish for all of us that we really make an effort to unite and be a community, be a community that puts love, first be a community that's not judging one another for different views, different opinions. And then locally, whether it's start in your home, but start in your town, we need to be involved, we need to know our neighbors, and regardless of differences extend that, you know, I grew up in a village. And we knew everybody in that village. And if one family was having dinner, and somebody else walked by, guarantee they were invited in to eat. Sometimes they didn't come in, they were just on their way by to their family to make their own dinner or whatever it was, but nobody would go hungry. There was such a sense of community, kids could run free play until dark with the parents didn't have to worry because every adult in that community was looking out for everybody's child. They were all one community, we need to get back to that we need to get out of our silos. And so from my heart to yours, let's do something some little thing to enhance our sense of belonging to a community that's greater than what we have today. Welcome, Brandon and Joey, it is so great to have you on the show. Brandon Weiberg 2:33 Oh, thank you, Dr. Paul, Jolene Weiberg 2:36 so much for having us. That's Dr. Paul 2:38 enough, though. Where our viewers, you're gonna hear quite a story. And so don't click off too soon. Because what you all have done with the situation you were dealt is quite remarkable. As background, I know you share that you've been married for 16 years, you live in a small town in Minnesota, Taylor falls, you have three children, 10, eight and six. Let's just start off maybe Brandon, tell me about your life. And Joey, you can do the same sort of what got you to the point where we have a story that relates to COVID. I believe in the COVID vaccine. Brandon Weiberg 3:13 Absolutely pretty normal life, we moved up to where we are after we had our first kid we were like, where do we want to settle down and raise our family and create a safe loving environment, learning environments. And we moved up to Taylor's falls when we had one and one on the way. And now we have street life was just normal going about things never really worried about anything, continue to work and join was taking care of the kids and keeping me in line. And and it was probably one of the best careers I've had. And all of a sudden things changed. And it felt weird. It was at the small town field that we thought it was going to be interesting. Dr. Paul 3:52 What were you doing at the time when you say best time of your career. I'm Brandon Weiberg 3:56 still working in the same line. I work in sales for a food manufacturer so that we just everything was just rolling. And we had a really great year. Got to celebrate a travel a little and you felt the change in 2019. Yeah, towards the end of 2019. Just maybe the beginning of 2020 rumblings or coming through that something wasn't right traveling was gonna stop. I had my last trip was February of 2020. And then pretty much was told, Don't go anywhere. It was it was a culture shock. It was like What do you mean? I go everywhere all the time. Dr. Paul 4:32 So you were told this before the news of COVID hit mainstream media. Brandon Weiberg 4:37 Yeah, it was probably maybe a week before maybe. But before that I knew I could see other manufacturers pulling out a trade shows that I was at. It was very interesting to see him just disappeared. I was sitting there by myself. I was like, Oh, I'm still here. That Dr. Paul 4:52 is very interesting. You're the first person I've talked to that was in that field that that line of work. So that's fascinating. So carry on what happened when COVID hit? Brandon Weiberg 5:03 Ya know, I was at a trade show and I left that trade show and got told to go home and stay in my house. And more would follow. We had weekly meetings. I, my employer was really transparent about what they were hearing. And they shared with us weekly on how they were monitoring the situation, we had teams calls to let us know that we're okay, we're not losing our job. At the time, they were just going to follow what the CDC says. And then some other medical advice they were getting from other partners that the employer wanted to follow. And it was very interesting, I got to hear everything I don't watch mainstream media actually turned it off. Completely. COVID really started getting because it was just so much doom and gloom. The first six, seven months, it was amazing to be told to stay home, you get a full paycheck. We did for a while. But then we started going camping and we enjoyed our kids. It was like, Wow, this must be what retirement feels like. And I'll tell you about six months into that it just did not feel right. The stuff was just not liking anymore. I didn't like the decisions that necessarily were being made. Federally, my company was still wonderful. But then the vaccines started rumbling, or whatever they call them work speed or whatnot. And I was I just chuckled at it. So this isn't normal. This is right. We're being told all this. And I had a gut instinct about that. I did I did. I'd never seen anything like it. It was like a movie really was it wasn't normal. But what is normal. And that's where I started questioning things. We're very fortunate to live really close to Wisconsin and they didn't shut down, we can still enjoy some of the things as a family. But it just wasn't right. And then they started opening up vaccination clinics or camps is what I always call them. And they use weird locations. The Mall of America parking lot was a weird one. That's where my mother went and got both of her vaccines. I told her, I wouldn't go there. And Todd, and I waited. And I just kept on saying no, wait, I'm gonna wait, I'm not going to do this. And then the mandate started coming out. And it was you were, we were told that they really want us to get this so we can get back out and see customers. And so I waited and I was watching all these clinics open up, but nothing about what I ended up getting was the Johnson and you could not find a place of soda, it seemed like to get it. And they said I'm only going to do one and done. If I have to do this. I'm not going to do it anymore. This is weird. And so I finally got the opportunity. I guess you could say, six coats on to the Minneapolis Convention Center on April 1, and 2020. And it was only 21. Probably. Oh yeah. Yeah. 2021. Yep. So it was very strange. I had the worst feeling standing in line, they gave me a card asked me what I wanted, and made me stand in the line to go on to how to torium. And this line was just for people that want to Johnson and Johnson. The other lines were for the others. People were crying and giving each other hugs and saying they're saved. And it was very weird. I didn't want anything to do with it. But I knew if I did it, I might not be able to continue the career that I've been in although that was never said that we were going to be fired. I just my gut was like everybody else seems to be thinking we're not going to have jobs if we don't do this. And so I did it. And I was almost in tears while I was sitting there getting the shot and the waiting 15 minutes before I could leave. And a single row. Everybody staring at you. It was just not it to this day. It still feels very strange. Dr. Paul 8:46 Yeah, talk about that feeling. Brandon Weiberg 8:49 I'm scared. Just this isn't right. It feels like history's repeating itself. I've never thought I'd be marched in I mean to mass vaccination of a bunch of people. It really does. Now I look back at it. It looks like history is starting to repeat itself. Hopefully not. But who else would marched people in? It's just strange. We did. We repeated and I hate to bring it up. But we repeated what Hitler did. He marched people into place. That's exactly what now I look at. And I'm like, This isn't right. This is of what freedom is. And that's where it started. where I'm at now, I watched. I watched our local legislation. I watched our local politics here. People been in the positions a long time. I had to trust in everybody because they've been doing it a long time. I figured they they're going to uphold the Constitution. That wasn't the case. Then it was like just trust, trust of just trust and it's not. A shunning is what brings trust in we should be able to ask why. And get those answers and we weren't getting. Yep, Dr. Paul 9:58 there were no hands. Here's just recommendations from above. Yeah. So how did you do with the shot? Did you sail through it? No, no problems Brandon Weiberg 10:08 for the first 15 minutes, and then they let me leave, I was sick. And I was not that. And when I got home, it was two or three hours. I was just all of a sudden it became lethargic, pains going through both of my legs. So I sat in our recliner in our living room. And in Jolene Weiberg 10:25 that chair for about three days. Brandon Weiberg 10:29 Yeah, it was strange. I got a fever that night. That lasted about six, seven hours, but the pain in my legs didn't leave for at least three days. And then I started developing a rash on the on the side of the body, that that I got on the right side where I got the shot. From my feet all the way up into my shoulder area, I developed this horrible rash. And I developed arthritis symptoms. And it was just, I'd never had this problem before. I'm active. I do a lot of sports. I have kids that I coach, Jolene Weiberg 11:01 for everybody that doesn't know him. He has a very driven, self driven person that is always full steam ahead. And this brought him to a screeching halt. When he he came when he sat on that couch or the recliner. And he took he said he was tired. He was going to take a nap. And he woke up a completely different person that I did not recognize. Dr. Paul 11:25 What were you seeing that was different, just Jolene Weiberg 11:27 fatigue, pain. And I knew something was wrong. I was against the vaccinations from the get go. So it was this was I was so angry at this point that this was happening because I didn't want anything to do with it. But he just, he never came out of the fatigue. He was just, I guess a zombie is a good way to put it. And to see him go almost backwards to where I was the one pushing him to do things was though a lot of character for him. And me too. I'm always holding him back. And he was now I was pushing him forward. Oh, Dr. Paul 12:08 interesting. You'll have pretty young Brandon, how can I ask how old you are? Yeah, I'm 4242. Yeah. So 42 fit, active lifestyle. And that changed at that point as it remains? Did you ever recover completely? Yeah, Jolene Weiberg 12:25 he was 30 just had turned 39. Prior to his shot, his fatigue level is better. Hands down. He's still I would say gets tired a little more fast. But as far as his the energy in his drive is back, have just go by his pain is there? Yeah, golf, swing baseball, just simple things that he did fine before. He doesn't do it fine anymore. Dr. Paul 12:53 Did your employer end up mandating it? Brandon Weiberg 12:56 For a while they Dr. Paul 12:57 did have a mandate, but you you are going to be forced to take it or lose your job. We had Brandon Weiberg 13:03 the mandate, you either had to get it. And we had a date that was given to get our cards to them copy or let them know that we did or we have the opportunity to get either a religious exemption or a medical exemption. I did really fall in with either the exemptions unfortunately at the time. But yeah, and they were following the CDC guidelines. Basically, as soon as the CDC said, Nope, we're not going to do those anymore. It got lifted. Unfortunately, it was about two weeks after three weeks apps after I got my answer. Dr. Paul 13:36 And what steps have you taken to heal your body? Brandon Weiberg 13:40 You for a while for a while I would I went to my normal practitioner and I was just saying this isn't right. I'm having all these pains. Welcome to 40. That was pretty much what I got to 39. But you get to go. Dr. Paul 13:53 You're almost 40 It's normal for you to have pain and fatigue. Brandon Weiberg 13:57 Yep. In soil develop the lung. Now, I developed some different things going on. I had a little lump that showed up. They didn't want to look into it. And it is what it is I questioned it a lot. And I got a lot of pushback. And so it was like I can't come back here anymore. Because the values aren't the same. If I don't basically if I wouldn't get the booster. They weren't gonna help me anymore. Oh, wow. Dr. Paul 14:22 So your doctor's office was insisting on you getting a booster? Brandon Weiberg 14:26 Yes. Yep. And I was like, why would I get a booster if you can't? Tell me what's going on. Now? Why would I do more? We've Jolene Weiberg 14:33 got a reaction. So more of what we've had a reaction to it. Brandon Weiberg 14:37 It's it. It made me open my eyes to find there are a lot more medical practices out there that do things holistically, and also listen to each patient's story and come up with a care plan for that patient. And I didn't know that was out there. I just every year went in and did what I was told. And so I found a wonder foot clinic here in Minnesota that was against the mandates all along in the vaccines. And they were wonderful. They listened to me, we got some answers on some of my problems. Some of the others they it was, you got it from the shot. We don't know how to do anything about that. But we can do going forward, we'll help you. And I was out of town back at work and my wife went into a chiropractic office, that Jolene Weiberg 15:24 church to write in there. And I got to the point where I was so upset at that just the the appointments from mainstream doctors that we had gotten, it was just a dead end. And I felt like this had opened up the door for us to look for more options. But I was still upset because the answers were not good enough to what I wanted. I wanted more. And I picked up my daughter from school and I had been researching, I knew exactly what I was looking for. And I found this clinic and I picked her up, we drove there, I merged right in and I said I have a few questions. The first one was, could I buy supplements without being a patient here? And can I talk openly about vaccines and vaccine entry? And if I can't, then I will leave. And they were wonderful. She said, some of them back. And they had finished up with another patient in I was brought back and I was told everything you wanted to hear. Dr. Paul 16:25 So you aren't doing essentially research for Brandon at that point. Jolene Weiberg 16:28 Yeah. And we had done so many protocols. And I think that's where I'm at frustrated is because we did settlement chapter supplement. And we've followed just about every protocol from every different avenue we have the lingo yet I felt ACC we had Macola, the world counselor ProHealth. And it just got to be so much to where I felt like I was just throwing everything at him. And I wanted to fine tune to him at that point. Because it it was just getting way out of control. And I said, Okay, here's what we need. And that's, that was a good find, and a smart move to make. And I'm glad I forced him to go. I said you're going I mean, Dr. Paul 17:08 it's going to happen. And that really was a turning point in the recovery. huge turning point. I've been right that is phenomenal. And it's a great point to just point out to our viewers, holistic integrative alternative, whatever you want to call it, protocols, they all can have value. But sometimes you need a skilled clinical person who's in this field to guide you and personalize you or your situation. And then literally is what you got. So that's great. So let's pivot a little bit to the thing that just fascinated me the most when I heard your story. You you went into politics, let's talk about had you been interested in politics. And then what did you end up doing and why? Brandon Weiberg 17:52 I've always been like wanting to watch. And I've always enjoyed a good public speaker and somebody that can command a room, maybe you're bringing everybody together. And what I was seeing was that was no more bringing anybody together. It was telling people what to do. Even at a local level of was cookie cutter. This is how it's been done. This is how we're going to do it. Nobody has a say. And I just said you know what? Terms are coming up. It's time to run. And so I announced that I was going to run and our towns holiday festival. We ran for mayor right. I ran for mayor. We're Taylor's falls and we were unopposed. So I want to throw that out. I did not campaign against anybody. The existing mayor did not wish to continue and run against me. And that's fine. I think everything happens for a reason. And so and 2023 January, I became the mayor Taylor's balls. And we got to work right away. It's changing things, making sure the voice is back and people and not just one side of politics. But everybody. That's what was lost in all this. So Dr. Paul 18:57 educate us. This is I'm not politically inclined. As a mayor, what were you able to do? Brandon Weiberg 19:04 My first thing that I tackled after we got the ship up and running, so to say is we did a resolution, a health freedom resolution here in March. And it was a ride. It was wonderful to see everybody come out for it against it. But we all got into one room. And we talked about it. And we listen to everybody and everybody could share their pains and their frustrations. And I would say for the most part, everybody was very nice to each other even though they might say thanks, tone wise, not so nice. But everybody listen, and I think that was huge to see some of these people when I was campaigning, and I knew the hatred they had towards one another and a small town of ours was so sad because it were a little over 1000 people. And a lot of these people been here for 3040 years and they know each other and their neighbors they shouldn't hate each other might have differences and that's okay. And I think that's really what started this Dr. Paul 20:00 Where are those differences? Pretty much along political lines, Democrat? Republican? Yeah, Brandon Weiberg 20:05 I would say 5050. I try, I really, my biggest thing is, is I want to be in the middle and bring them together. I don't talk about my national politics, they do. They can have their thoughts and think, but then it's really about, we all should be in the middle, looking at both sides that come in together. Yeah, um, Dr. Paul 20:24 things like health, you would think should be regardless of party. We want our kids to grow up healthy, for example. Everybody wants that, whether you're one political party or another. And so why not look at everything with eyes wide open, and have a real honest discussion about what's going on and what's best for our kids. Absolutely. Brandon Weiberg 20:46 And I think that's where we're heading, we're, that the whole process was quite interesting with the health freedom it. And I just, I think eventually everybody kind of the light bulb went on and said, You know what, it's not Mayor Brandon telling everybody to close your business or mayor Brandon saying, we're not going to follow it saying, we're going to put the voice and the authority back into the business owners if they want to stay open, stay open, if they want to close, close if they want to mandate masks. That's their job. That's their business. And you don't have to shop there. But we're not going to ever force somebody to follow what St. Paul tells us to do, or what Washington tells us to do. We're going to follow the Constitution. And we're going to make sure that everybody knows that. Yeah. Dr. Paul 21:32 That's awesome. So what would you tell other moms and dads who I'm sure there are so many listening right now who are probably equally frustrated, but don't know what to do? Maybe in a small town, you had a unique opportunity? I don't know. But what would be a recommendation and both of you can take a stab at this. I know Joey, you probably have thoughts too. Brandon Weiberg 21:52 I'm, I'll go I have a little one. I know she is. This is Mama Bear Harris, I would say that. It really starts at the local level. And don't be scared, just attend the meetings. If you can't personally be there. Most of them all are recorded, or they're live now. But start going to the meetings, start meeting your neighbors. There's a lot of groups out there of people in your neighborhoods getting together and talking about what scares them, and what they want to see changed. And you're going to learn it all. And it's okay to listen to your neighbor that might be on a different party level or aisle, that's okay. It doesn't have to, you shouldn't know it. And you should accept it. And they're going to do the same to you. But get involved, go to meetings, make sure that you pay attention to your school board. This is it's detrimental for our kids. It really is. I can't say enough about watching and learning and making sure that you let them know your feelings. And it's okay. They're gonna tell you there's and then you come to an agreement. And if you don't like it, and enough people don't like it. That's why we vote. Dr. Paul 22:55 Yeah. So school board meetings, for sure. For anybody who's a parent, that means you've got a kid in school, probably somewhere get involved. Brandon Weiberg 23:03 Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Dr. Paul 23:07 What do you want to add, Joey? Jolene Weiberg 23:08 I think though, I think everything about it is so uncomfortable. The whole road has been uncomfortable. But I feel that it's more, it has been so rewarding. i One, I'm a very quiet person, I don't like to stand up or speak out. So this has been the exact opposite of who I am. But you just get to that point where you gotta push back. Because when you're being forced to do something, you might have a beer comes out. Brandon Weiberg 23:39 And I think like some of the stories you hear Dr. Paul, some of the people I've met through this journey, so far, the tears that we've shed together, I have had citizens come up and say I wish this mandate or this health freedom, resolution. And it's just, it's a statement. It's no legal power whatsoever. But some companies out there look at if your area had a resolution saying that we're not going to make you do anything and you do what's right for you. They took that into consideration when they had mandates. And this one lady, I'll never forget her and she still be with our town and she comes and helps out a lot. She cried and said, if this was here, I wouldn't have had to get her shot. She wouldn't have had to. And she works from home. I've worked. I don't know. So it's just that it makes me realize even the people that I might not politically agree with. I've shed tears with them because of the sorrow and the pain. They had dollars. And I think it brings a sense of community back into what we really made. It is all about me. Dr. Paul 24:38 Thank you, Brandon and Joey for doing that. And I'm gonna bring DD on to wrap things up with you guys. But I just have to tell you, you've set a great example for those of us who are politically inclined to just yeah, get involved. And I think as mayor you do have the ability to enforce was the direction of thinking or at least, as you've done, create that freedom movement. You're not telling people they can or can't do anything. You're just providing an opportunity for the ability to have choice. Absolutely. And that's that was being taken away from us. All over. Yeah. Fantastic. Do you have thoughts about future politics? Are we going to see you running for president? Brandon Weiberg 25:23 I would be quite the challenge there. I think. For now, I'm going to keep on taking care of Taylor's halls, and I'm going to pay attention to what St. Paul is doing. And if they need rescue, I'll be on my way down there, possibly. But for now, I gotta concentrate on my little town. Dr. Paul 25:40 Very good. And well, you said St. Paul, I grew up in the church. So I'm thinking, wow, he's giving local references and it just occurred to me, you're talking about a town St. Paul, Minnesota, Minneapolis? Yes. Brandon Weiberg 25:50 That's where our capital is. Let's, that's, you gotta keep an eye on that too. Because there you go next influencers? Dr. Paul 25:58 That's true. Again, thank you so much. Here's Diddy. Jolene Weiberg 26:02 Hi, Brandon. And Joey, DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 26:04 thank you so much for joining us and being willing to let me dive into your personal lives. So I want to start with I was listening to Dr. Paul. And I don't know if I heard but I would like for you, Joey to explain a little bit more when you went into that doctor's office? And did you get the information at that point that you needed? And then brought that home? And then either one of you can just answer as to where what did that do for you? What did you end up finding that's helped you the most? And where is your health now? Jolene Weiberg 26:33 I'll start you can finish. Yes, he gave me everything that I wanted to hear very open discussion on vaccines, which I was very hesitant. Because there for obvious reasons. You either can't or you can't have that conversation. And he was wonderful, absolutely amazing. Did he booked that appointment, I think I booked the appointment for him and said you're going. And this was how it's gonna be from until we get you to where I wanted him to be to work, how I remember his just energy level. And it's been beautiful. It's been a hard journey, but a beautiful one. A DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 27:13 brand new did that help. Brandon Weiberg 27:15 It's ongoing. I still go once a month. Now at first I went every week for about three months. And part of the journey is a lot of nutrition. And my vitamin regimen changes on a monthly basis. Now I get tested sure where my certain levels are, we also take a look at my magnetic field through this office as well. And that's really helped my I still have arthritic problems. If I go throw a football with my son for about 15 minutes, I can really feel it on my shoulder. We went bowling to two days ago with them and the next morning, I my wrist will swell up my elbow is really hurt. So I it takes me a few days to recover. I push through that because I gotta be Dad and I gotta do sports with my kids. I don't want to stop. I've noticed a huge difference in my energy is almost all back to where it was. I sleep well again. And it. It's amazing what it's done. It really has I never thought taking that with some other medical adult that I've had, but they've been the primary one of just supplements and making sure that my levels are right. Okay, and they have some supplements that's supposed to combat the injury I got from Johnson and it's been amazing. It really is. And yeah, I do feel a lot better. I don't know if I'll ever get 100% again, but I'm able to do the things that I did before. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 28:36 Good. And you have to have the thought that you will be 100% better. I always tell doc if you have the attitude that you're not going to then suddenly you're not going to so it's time to buck up and have the attitude that you will return. I like it and after the show I have some suggestions for you for the arthritic pain. So back to the show did so one of my curiosities is one are your children vaccinated? And I want to know if it's okay if that's too personal let me know but what it is with them and has this whole experience made you question anything? Jolene Weiberg 29:10 Yes all of it No, they did not take the COVID-19 vaccine but they are vaccinated and they vaccinated CBC schedule or Yep. Is regimen as it comes I regret everything all of them. This has been just like every other person who's in the same boat that I am when you start looking into things it's really disturbing. How much it opening up that door has been so hard for me to accept what no I have not looked into before and I look at everybody else differently now people shop more on Amazon more than they will read a package insert nobody reads package inserts just right. Simple things like that, that I'm I'm angry at myself for not looking into things more. So yeah, it has changed everything completely for For us, it's already already kids. They escape any allergies, asthma, or oldest have allergies. And it's so interesting looking back at everything because I there's so many clues along the way. When I look back now it's like why was I not listening to that instinct? Now when they were all born, I did question that heavy shot. But of course your mom, you're fatigued, you're tired, after labor and delivery. You question it, they vilify you. And you know what? I am crazy. I'm tired. I'm hormonal, you're right. And that's where we left that. But our oldest did have allergies from a very young age. And every time we took them in, the answer was keep giving him allergy medicine. And then when that stopped working, it was just switch brands and keep giving him a different brand. And we did this for years. And I got to the point where I was so angry about shoving a allergy pill down his throat. morning and night, sometimes it was morning and night. Some days, it was just once I was I got so angry. And that kind of opened up a little more of my understanding of I'm tired of slapping band aids on everything, but stop. But just recently, our second son Noah has been recognized for a vaccine adverse reaction of aluminum overload. So we're on the detox plan, parasite cleanse, and it's tough. It's really tough when you know that you did that DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 31:32 was probably more of a Dr. Pol question. But can you explain you just said an adverse reaction and the aluminum? How did you find that out? How did you know? But explain that to me, Jolene Weiberg 31:43 he had been having some issues quite a while back, and I can almost pinpoint it to one of his routine appointments. And he had a really high fever. I ended up taking him in and it was like 105, and it was just again, give him Tylenol and ibuprofen. But ever since then, he has had issues. He's had GI issues. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 32:04 I will I'm gonna interrupt you. How old was he at the time? Brandon Weiberg 32:10 Right here? No, Jolene Weiberg 32:11 he's younger than he was two. I would I think it was Mrs. The middle child, our middle son, Brandon Weiberg 32:17 he just turned eight. Jolene Weiberg 32:18 So he had issues by he had some bleeding issues where there was a bloody nose problems. And it wasn't just oh, we're having really bad bloody noses. It was going on for such a duration of time that I had to start charting everything because it was like, what nostril? How long was it lasting? Sometimes it was both nostrils. Sometimes it was twice a day. Sometimes. It was just over the top bleeding. This way went in and they did lots of different blood work and end up going on the children's for more blood work and nothing came back. Well, so in the meantime, we have fired our previous pediatrician and previous everything and found our new one. And I started talking just the questions that were being asked as a parent of what are your kids experiencing what is happening? And it just, we kept going back to our middle son like this has been an issue. And right away, it was like he has had an adverse reaction from probably aluminum overload. And the reason why it hasn't been diagnosed is because people don't know how to recognize when there is an DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 33:25 overload. Okay, so something so obviously, you're smarter than normal doctor. Jolene Weiberg 33:30 So at that point, did you stop vaccinating? Oh, yes. Yep. Okay. Just yeah. Wanted to make sure. Oh, yeah. And that's all the kids. Yes. Yeah. Okay. No. And we're very open. I'm very open with discussion, because I want them to know what I know. Know. And I can see that in confidence because I was on the other side of, oh, we'd have to merge or attend and get our vaccines. And so I've been there. I thought I was doing the right thing. But I never looked. I never asked a question. I can think of every single visit. They don't say anything. The only question is, are you vaccinating today? Yeah, and it's a yes or no? I always said yes. And then I'm surprised they asked you though, because that's actually very unusual. Oh, well, that's more elitist. Okay, I'm gonna send the nurses and now for vaccinations, we've got them all lined up. Here they go. Yes. And I even think about there was no discussion of just the pros and cons. I've never asked either, and they would just hand you your paperwork as you were leaving the office and in a way we would go and when you DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 34:37 that's the thing though joy when you know better you do better. And I've I have my own guilt with that. And we just have to let it go and move on. Brandon, did you? Where were you in this process? Because that's one thing I tell parents now. You go together. You don't go to these events alone. Brandon Weiberg 34:53 But we've always what? I apologize. I didn't mean interrupted I was I was gonna say we've always went together to all our kids visits, and less I was out of town, but most of the time we'd scheduled around so we can both. And that and working from home that's really helped. I have a flexible schedule. So I've never missed any of that. I can tell you, it took me longer to say, why are we changing the way we were taken care of, but seeing the reactions, so my middle son, and my oldest son has allergies, and all of a sudden things are getting better, because we're doing things the correct way or the correct way for us. makes me wish I could go back. I should have questioned that. Because I'm a type of person that isn't scared to question anybody. But why I didn't, I don't know. I get the visuals of them. Four or five shots in those little legs at one time, and it's just I know, Jolene Weiberg 35:53 our hearts go What the hell are we thinking? DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 35:56 But we didn't know to question it. That's the thing is we have to understand and now that we are so does that mean your six year old is pretty much unvaccinated? Jolene Weiberg 36:09 No, he's got he hands ology or a six year old? I'm sorry? No, I'm DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 36:14 looking at nodes that I don't know if I'm right. I have a girl that Jolene Weiberg 36:18 is six is what I see. Yep, she has her initial ones. And at that point was when we had fire in our old pediatrician. And I took her in and I said I'm done. Can I be done? Am I doing more harm than good at this point, because I have started and then stopped. I just, I was trying to find my ground of where what I was going to be doing because I knew what I wanted to do at that point. And I think the other thing that was that just made me feel so good was she said this community is huge. And it is I would have never in a million years after opening that door know how big and I hate to see liberty, anti Vaxxer because every almost everybody is vaccinated and have had a farm done in some way, shape or form. And now here they are looking at what we should have looked at before. And I was called that community. It's a pro health community we've made we've figured out that way and people who are completely unvaccinated, they just figured it out faster. So it's I never say anti Vax, it's pro health or just an unboxing County and trying to get more people to not use that DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 37:26 word. I'm I'm so floored how big it is. That was the biggest eye opener to me. Because we would all be for vaccines if you could get an antigen for disease that could kill you, but not cause any other risks or issues or even deaths from vaccines. So right that part answered. So let's talk about the just briefly and Brandon let me know because this has happened to you. What did people were reaching out for you to do programs like Team humanity? Like how did you get involved with that? Brandon Weiberg 37:56 I got I got involved with it. Through Jolene, she brought me to some health freedom rallies down at the Capitol in Minnesota. Good job doing it right after pretty much I started going right after I was elected. And I got to meet a lot of senators in our states that were saying we shouldn't have done this or we never we weren't proud of this. And then I got to meet him humanity through Jolene because she did the triathlon. And she reached out to them because she saw them speaking about some serious injuries that have really hurt one of the people that put it together. And she said, I'm going to do this. And so I want to support them all. And I got to meet them all. And so I'm trying to be as involved as I can. And hopefully we can open doors together because it really is a community. Without them I would have gotten to meet you both. And so it just would keep on growing the community and make sure that our voices heard is huge. Jolene Weiberg 38:50 That's awesome. So DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 38:51 Joey, did you was team humanity part of the unbox community that you now found and was part of it? Or did you how did you find them Jolene Weiberg 38:59 lifts with all when we started going to these rallies? Suzanna has spoke at the Capitol. And she has spoken at multiple rallies. And I felt like I knew her and she didn't know me. And the more I saw her, I know her story. And there was just something in me that was like, I'm going to meet her someday. And there was one evening where I was scrolling through Facebook and there she was with Laurie and may it was a picture of the two of them crossing the finish line of the triathlon. Oh, wow. So I immediately signed up and I reached out to her I sent her a message and she said, give me a call and we talked for a little over an hour. And the rest is kind of history. She said, have you met Lori, we're going to put you on the team. We're going to do this and it's everybody. Everybody has came together from all different walks of life because they have been affected. This one is for the COVID-19 vaccines in particular is how this group was formed. But it's a beautiful group of people who are just wonderful. and they help each other, whether it's bringing food, or just writing a thank you card or a feel better card. It's everybody does what they can where they can do it. That's DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:12 incredible. So those are kind of things that we'll put up the links and things for our show. So if our viewers of people out there watching want to know more about those kinds of programs, so, Brandon, if all these viewers were sitting out there, and they want to be mayor in their city, and they want to make change, how do they do it? Brandon Weiberg 40:30 First steps is, go to your meetings, get to know the people that are currently running the city, get to know the city office staff as well. Because you're going to be working with them when you become mayor or council member, and really start to go and see if these questions are being answered or asked so many times I went and it was this is what we're going to pass no questions asked, asked, and then we're out 15 minutes, and I'm like meetings need you. There should be questions on most things. Everybody should have questions. And so you got to ask the questions. So go ask the questions. If they're not asking them, learn that way. And then put your name and the hat like for myself, it's every two years. And then the council members mostly or four years terms, but go that's you and you can get on committees, if you don't have time to do a mayor role or council member will make sure you get on the committees, whatever committees they have, there's plenty of openings, usually. And that'll get you involved to see really what's going on. And you'll have a say, because that's what the committee's, do they report back to council. And then you can make an informed decision like we do now. And we will always do I hope even whenever I'm done, I hope people come by me see what we've done. And continue that. And I think it's addictive. It really is basketball shoes. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 41:51 And if you're getting a lot of support, my guess is that yes, it would continue no matter what. So does that mean you're going to run again till you're old and decrepit? Brandon Weiberg 42:01 I had been asked that my term is coming up here at the end of this year. I have to make my final decision on August. But I don't think my work is quite done yet. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 42:08 It's not Brandon, you need to let them know you're rerunning. Right. I Brandon Weiberg 42:12 will. Okay, I think they know I just keep running. And I think I one thing I gotta say is, I made it very clear when I did run is it's not a 20 year person. And I'm not picking on the person that was before me, in case he watches us. Because he had nobody else paying attention. Nobody else wanted to help. And now we're getting more involvement with that involvement that learning from people will Hi, and they'll eventually take over and continue what we started. Yeah. So I'll still be mayor for another two years. And then Joey will you never know. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 42:44 Your children? I've heard that kids can be mayors. My other question is just for my own personal, wanting to know, do you make money as a mayor? Brandon Weiberg 42:52 There is a small salary if anybody wants to watch we give the money back they can or Mr. YouTube jail, but I said I would never take any pay. It's very small in our town. Each town is a little different. So I made $2,100 for the year. So on the salaries? Yeah, the salaries 1800. And then I get $10, a meeting or 50, and something like that. But I just gave it all back to some other organizations within the city, fire departments and other festivals. So DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 43:20 So do you still have your job then? Because I didn't hear that with Dr. Pop? Maybe you said it. So your job is Brandon Weiberg 43:25 still working and plugging away. And then look, most of the mayoral duties happen after hours. Most of the meetings are six, seven o'clock at night. And during the weekends I meet with people that want to talk and tell me their frustrations and or I call them and we talked on the phone. So DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 43:41 Joey, it looks like you have your husband back. I don't Yes. Ouch. Yeah. I don't see a vaccine injured individual. And I think that's what's really important for people to hear and see. And yeah, normally I would come on and ask what were the emotion is what was it like, but you already really talked about it. But what just ending here? What do you want to say to to wives or to husband is or support people partners that see what's happening to the person that they love, and you can't change it? Jolene Weiberg 44:11 You can not always but you can there's always add to me, it did matter. I was going to find a way to change it. And we did. I think that there are people out there that will find that whether it's medically emotionally or however, people need to be there for one another. It is always a way DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 44:33 there is an IP when I say that somebody might be thinking they can't change it is you can't make the brand and do anything brand and doesn't want to do. And I think that's what we see sometimes in this is that you didn't give up. You weren't going to accept this fact. And you were going to be the motivation and you would be pulling him and not everybody has that ability. And so I think that's the thing that you just said is just to not give up but Obviously, you both have a wonderful relationship and you have three children that's very important to you that you raise in a healthy way. What do you want your children to know? As they get older? About this time this struggle? Really? Jolene Weiberg 45:15 That's a really good question. Brandon Weiberg 45:17 I want them to always ask questions. And it's okay to ask questions. And it's okay to have your values. And no matter what you learn in school, you keep your values from what you're learning at home and the way you grow up. And if somebody tries to tell you that those values are wrong, that's not the case. And to never stop asking those questions. Because if you do, then we're going to be right back to 2020. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 45:47 Exactly, do you. They're pretty young at that time, especially your little girl. But my thought is, did the kids pick up on anything going on? Did y'all have open conversations? Because I hear a lot of families saying we kept our kids out of it. And for me, I would have wanted my child to understand and know all along what was happening. My guess is y'all did but can you explain that how involved the kids were with what was happening to Brandon. Brandon Weiberg 46:15 I've been very protective on them and saying that anything serious happened, I think they knew because of the amount of doctor visits I was going to and the people I was going to see. And they did come a few times with me one of them, because I was on with him. But they know I was hurt. They know that I am making rebounds. And I think I use that is not to be embarrassed and not to be ashamed. And that's one thing that I think anybody that has had injuries, it's okay to talk about them. Because the more we talk about them, we're not bad mouthing those that want to continue that lifestyle. But it's good to talk about it because it relieves the stress. We're not holding it in. And it also opens eyes to saying, you know, what if it didn't work for them? And I bet maybe I should ask questions. And that's, I see my kids asking questions. Now, during COVID. For the first few months, we were Lemmings, I hate to use that term, but we put the masks on went to Walmart when we could stay it out between certain times. And after a few months of that it was like no, this is not. And so then we started questioning and so did our kids. And it's okay to stand alone. And they still do at school and and are proud of Dandong. Yep. So DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 47:29 they don't So are they in public school? No. And are they wearing masks? No. Yeah, Brandon Weiberg 47:36 we're very fortunate in the area. We're a very small town, we have a small elementary school. And after we got through the first year of AFF going back and Miss goofy stuff they were doing. And when they went fully back, they didn't make that mandatory. And so I would say majority of the people were not wearing. There's a few. But now I don't see that at all right now at least. That's DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 47:57 good. So thanks for joining me and Dr. Ball. It was wonderful to meet you. And obviously keep up all of the great work that you're doing. One thing I just want to point out, and I'm sure you know this, that you're being mayor and everything that you've gone through with the injury, I think it's important to know that this is mostly about medical freedom and our own personal rights, correct. It's not that the vaccine issue or the COVID issue or any of that, I'm getting that you realize what was happening that you were being told to do something you weren't comfortable. So you stood up to it. And you're hoping to have other people stand up for their rights for medical freedom. And I think that's what a lot of people are gonna get out of this. So I have feeling people are gonna reach out to you and want to know more. Do you feel that same way that it's about medical freedom? Brandon Weiberg 48:45 I do. I do. It didn't. It started out contentious. And I think after numerous conversations, people realize that it's okay to make your own decisions. I'd never going to tell somebody to not go or to wear one or not to wear well. That was never what it was about. It was about a nobody should be controlled on how to live their life. They should be able to do what they feel is best for them, their family, their kids, and we should all just accept it and not treat each other terribly over their decision. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 49:18 That's exactly it. Thanks again for joining me and Joey good work. Keep up on it. Thank you, thank Brandon Weiberg 49:25 you much. If we don't do anything for you guys, let us know. Jolene Weiberg 49:28 Thank you. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 49:33 Hey, everybody, it's me, Edie coming to you from my soul as a little little different one today in the interview. And after watching it you'll see we interviewed a couple right so so the husband and wife and I'm I'm listening and Joey was so passionate about helping her husband to the point where she's telling him what to do. I get criticized I lot for being bossy myself. But I realized sometimes within our souls when we have so much passion and compassion and love, and there's a time where sometimes I think we think we know what's best for everybody else. While I'm listening to them and talking to them, I realized that a lot of that just comes from this place of deep love from a wife, who doesn't want to lose her husband, who sees her husband second affected in our soul. We want to always do what's best. Sometimes we say things and do things that somebody else receives. And they don't receive it the same way that we intended it. But that's the thing is when we make sure that we step back, and we communicate really from a place of love, and understand that people may not always hear what we have to say or get what we have to say. But it's important to know that at least if we're presented from a place of love, they're gonna get something. And it's the same thing when we receive what other people tell us about that comes from a place of love. We may not like what it sounds and it may be uncomfortable or even hurtful or seem hurtful. That's not the intent. But if we feel that way, we have to remember to step back and go wow, is there something that I'm doing or saying, what is it within myself that I need to change? Is there something I can change or want to change that comes from our soul, and when we use our soul to help to come from a loving place, it's truly easier to make those changes and not let it affect who we are personally. Thanks for watching. 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Good morning, CH D. Welcome to paediatric perspectives. This is where we are looking at children's health challenges with a different perspective. One that includes critical thinking, and one that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. We have very important special guests because of that requirement. And today, we're going to cover the defender, I want to highlight this online, most relevant online journal, I think in the world covering CHD, COVID, Big Pharma tech, chemical, energy, food and legal aspects. Of course, my segment is focusing on pediatrics. We're in the medical world. And my guest today is Bob Sears. Welcome, Bob. Bob Sears M.D. 1:00 Hey, thanks, Paul. Thanks for having me on. Dr. Paul 1:03 It's so great to have you. For the audience. I just want you to know I'm asked all the time, where do I go for good information? And especially regarding vaccines, it's so difficult where to know where to go? Well, one place I always went to, from the time this book came on, is Dr. Bob Sears book, The vaccine book, which you just edited in 2022. To include COVID. Bob Sears M.D. 1:27 Yeah, it's it's been my, my life's passion to inform people, Paul and give them an objective look at vaccines, so they can make an educated decision. And as you know, vaccine, vaccines are always changing, the diseases are changing. They come out with new vaccines. Yeah. So I've been very happy that I've been able to update my book along the way. And you know, and including adding a whole entire new I think 25 Page chapter just on the code COVID vaccine alone, so that people up to date information. Thank Dr. Paul 1:59 you for doing that. My other chief resources, actually the defender, and you might go what? Well, it's searchable. So I get questions all the time. I'll take an example HPV, so human papilloma virus that's been supposedly linked with cervical cancer, but the vaccine is one that's fairly problematic. And so patients ask or before I'm retired, now, I don't diagnose or give medical advice, but information, where do you get it? You just go into the defender, and you click on HPV vaccine, and boom, you've got a wealth of resources with hyperlinks. It's incredible. I mean, you'll learn that the HPV vaccine has no effect in reducing cancer rates. And that vaccination is actually associated with an increased cancer rate. What? That's crazy. What do you think about that, Bob, just to hit you off the top with something kind of obscure? Bob Sears M.D. 2:53 Yeah, you know, HPV vaccine is super interesting, Paul, what I find fascinating is is the one of the obstetricians who helped research and did early development on the HPV vaccine and was involved in testing it and seeing how well it worked on her patients. And because because that's the kind of doctor that would deal with HPV issues is is an OBGYN. And even she came out online with with videos explaining that this vaccine was not researched properly in a way that really demonstrated whether or not it prevented cancer. And that's the whole purpose of the vaccine. And even she admitted that, that we did not achieve that in our research before the FDA approved this vaccine. And the other thing that that I find interesting about this particular disease and vaccine is this disease is completely preventable, Paul, and a lot of times you think maybe a vaccine is going to be really important. If the whole population is completely at its at that diseases, mercy, say we have no way to prevent a certain infection. And and we want a vaccine to help prevent, you know, protect us from it. That's that's worthy of consideration. But when you have a disease that is 100%, preventable, through making smart new life decisions, then that vaccine in my book, literally becomes less important. In fact, you know, young adults out there, you have to practice to safe sexual practices, you know, you know, your whole adult, you know, young adult life, and you have to prevent, you know, HIV infection, other sexually transmitted infections, HPV, hepatitis B, got to prevent all kinds of things. So if you're making smart decisions of preventing all of those infections, then you're also going to be preventing HPV. So if you're going to make smart decisions, you wouldn't need this vaccine. So that's another thing I tell the teenagers in my practice when they're asking me questions about this is you're not at this diseases mercy like you are maybe some other infections, you can make smart choices and this particular vaccine, Paul has a not a very good looking side effect profile. Dr. Paul 5:19 I was gonna bring that up Bob Sears M.D. 5:21 just can be devastating to poor young teenagers, especially teenage women, Paul, and so we have a risk profile that doesn't look good for completely preventable disease. To me. Parents need to consider that before they give their teenagers this vaccine. Dr. Paul 5:38 Yep, I couldn't agree more. I never carried that vaccine in my office because I just saw that it was highly dangerous and so ineffective. And then I had two teenagers just what you're describing, they were both girls, top students and athletes who came into my office with difficulty walking and neurologic stuff, weird stuff. They were really struggling brain fog as well. And after months and months, they've seen every specialist in town. I finally just baffled I asked one of them. You didn't get any vaccines, did you? Because there was nothing on my record about vaccines. And she goes, Oh, yeah, I got the vaccine HPV at school, the mom's mouth drops open you what she didn't know. And this happened twice. And and just devastating their health, it was ruined. Which, you know, that's just another whole story, which actually, let's segue into that. Because the defender had an article recently about parents were taking on the Philadelphia health officials to overturn a law that was allowing kids to get vaccines without parent consent, which is exactly what happened to these two girls in my practice. And I don't know, have you? Do you have similar laws in California? And what do you think about kids as young as 11 being able to make health decisions without their parents knowledge? Bob Sears M.D. 7:00 Yeah, Paul, we do have a law in California that allows children to seek medical care. I think it's 12 and older. For any issue regarding sexuality or sexually transmitted infections. So HPV vaccine, any any type of you know, OBGYN care, teenagers in our state are entitled to that kind of medical care without their parents consent. And and I in when it comes to vaccination, you know, I very much oppose that for the very reason that you just said, Paul, yeah, sometimes when there's a complication, and the parents don't know that their child got vaccinated, that can delay the appropriate medical care. Plus, honestly, teenagers, for the most part, are probably not being given the proper informed consent when it comes to being vaccinated against HPV. Yeah, Dr. Paul 7:57 I mean, we have a hard enough time spending a half an hour with parents to go over proper informed consent, the real risks and the negligible benefits oftentimes, and we know that kids aren't getting that. And so there's, there's all that peer pressure for them to conform. And, you know, don't you want to do your part for society? And here's some free donuts. I mean, it's ridiculous, right? What they did, they showed us with COVID. Ya know that that's just something horrible. So I want to pivot to something that's also been in the news and covered, Do vaccines really reduce other infections? I mean, you have a practice that's largely unvaccinated. And so I would guess if if vaccines were preventing infection, and you have an unvaccinated population, you must be seeing a lot of infections. Bob Sears M.D. 8:50 And I am not seeing a lot. I certainly see some Paul. Of course, I think everyone sees a lot of flu every year because the vaccine doesn't really prevent the spread of the flu. It just makes maybe the elderly feel a little less sick when they catch the flu. But you see a lot of flu Of course, I see whooping cough because that vaccine does not prevent transmission, either. I see some chickenpox still. I see some cases of pneumonia. I see rotavirus, of course. But I can say, Paul, I have not had a single patient in my 25 years of Pediatrics be what I would call harmed by any of these diseases. Every case that I've seen of a vaccine targeted disease that a child caught and they were not vaccinated against it. Every single case I've seen they've all been mild or easily treatable. I've had to have a few kids go into the hospital where they needed, you know, IV antibiotics or needed some hospitalized type of treatment, but they all did fine. No one's been harmed. And we're talking 25 years of Pediatrics. Paul were in the office in the three county area, you know, LA County, Orange County and San Diego, and then four counties, you know, the inland empire where I live, I get, you know, 10s of 1000s of patients from all over these four counties. I'm my mind is the office where they come to if they don't want vaccines, so I'm seeing all the unvaccinated kids, not a single harmed child from an infectious illness in 25 years. And to me that I'm so blessed by that, because that would be tragic if I had, you know, a patient that was severely harmed. But to answer your question, if unvaccinated children were going to be dying, left and right from those diseases, I would be seeing it, Paul, you would be seeing it, we both have been seeing it our entire careers, and we're not Dr. Paul 10:55 right. So what we are seeing folks is plenty of vaccine injury or vaccine effects. Because this is the other thing. The establishment and the pediatricians I don't think they're aware, or at least most I don't think are aware of how chronic disease in general is associated with being highly vaccinated. But you're right, I didn't see a single death from a vaccine targeted I love the way you use that, because we often will say vaccine preventable diseases. Well, most of these diseases are not prevented by vaccines. The vaccines are not, as you pointed out earlier, doing much on that side of things, we are seeing all the side effects. Before we're done, we're going to chat, don't don't click off, folks. We're going to chat about how to protect your child if they need to be hospitalized and how to choose a trustworthy doctor. But before we get to that, also in the news, and this is something that really caught my attention. So the defender covered this malaria vaccine for babies in Cameroon. They're the first country there in Africa to roll out a malaria vaccine. Now a little background on my experience with malaria. I grew up in Africa. I was four years old when my parents moved to Rhodesia at the time now Zimbabwe, and my dad caught malaria on one of his trips. I did a medical vaccine campaign of all things. When I was in medical school, a team of us went into Sierra Leone way into the interior hiked up into the mountains, and we were giving polio. And every single person we encountered in Sierra Leone had chronic malarial infections. I mean, it was a big deal. I got to palpate spleens on just about everybody, because with malaria, you get an enlarged spleen. So the thought of having a vaccine that perhaps could, you know, stop that kind of suffering because they, they would have fevers every other day, and I just feel miserable, and just begging for Motrin or Tylenol or some way to get some relief. I would be all for it. But here's the problem, folks, they've been trying to get a malaria vaccine for quite a long time. And so they're rolling out GSK is virgin. I liked the name. It's clever, most grix Mosquito RyX. Yeah, let's get rid of that mosquito. The problem is it doesn't get rid of the mosquitoes. They're all flying around carrying malaria. And that vaccine, I pulled the package insert for it. It's at best 30% effective, which is in a vaccine world, that's basically uneffective, you will not even make a dent on the malaria that's going around. And of course, they're only targeting babies and young children. So everybody else still carries malaria. The mosquito bites the person who has malaria and transmits it to the next person make matters worse, the vaccine gives protection for a very short period of time months is what it looks like from reading that package insert. And then the really scary part, no safety studies that really matter. And it looks like chances are there'll be increased all cause mortality. And that just speaks to the problem with vaccine trials in general. Anyway, Bob, I just curious if you have a thought about that. Thought about vaccine trials? Bob Sears M.D. 14:00 Oh, yeah. I mean, I Well, I have lots of thoughts about vaccine trials, Paul. But yeah, I don't really speak much towards malaria, because that's a little outside of my wheelhouse as it is for pretty much every US pediatrician. So I'm glad to hear your experience on it. Paul on. What I find interesting is, is some of the vaccines we use here in the United States for infants were approved with with little to no safety or even efficacy research in children. In fact, the best case, example is the flu shot. This just kills me when when the FDA first approved the flu vaccine and children and I saw that very first product insert that describe the research 25 children were studied. You're given the flu vaccine and were studied for efficacy when before the FDA approved that vaccine for children and in one state He did that. And then it's off to the races and they can run with it. People assume that there's a lot of research done on something before it's approved and children. And that is often not the case. And it's often not the case with our own FDA. And I think people need to do their own research when it comes to scrutinizing how the FDA approves these things. Dr. Paul 15:23 Yeah, no, absolutely. And before we move on to those hot topics at the end, speak a little bit you've written a vaccine book and done a an update with the COVID. Chapter COVID changed the world, I think, for a lot of people, and hopefully it woke up a lot of people, because the fact that the CDC ended up recommending that vaccine on the childhood schedule, adding it to start at six months of age, with what data you've studied this what what's going on, what do you think, What should parents do about the COVID Vat vaccine because they listen to the news that they're supposed to rush out and get it? Bob Sears M.D. 16:03 Right, right. Well, how long is your show? Paul, I could talk about this all day, I'm gonna say several things. First of all, I'm in my vaccine book, how much I love the defender is I actually put children's health defense as as a resource in the COVID chapter, because I said, Hey, things are constantly changing with COVID. And if you want to stay up to date, here's one of the resources that I love, that will give you the latest headlines and a new new, anything new, you need to know when it comes to COVID, or the COVID. Vaccines, children's health defense, so I greatly do appreciate them. Um, what I find shocking, Paul is still in 2024, the FDA has not approved any COVID vaccine for children under 12. Yet, the CDC has placed it on our recommended vaccine schedule for every child six months and older. Now, this isn't, you know, 2021 or 2022. Paul, we're now in 2024. The FDA has had years now to evaluate this vaccine and children and come up with with either an approval or no approval, but it's still just exists under emergency use authorization with no full FDA approval. And I would like to ask, you know, how the CDC feels like they can put it on their schedule, without that approval, given how much time we've had? And I don't know the answer to that question. I would maybe maybe, you know, but I guess I'm just putting that out there to the audience, as another reason why you need to do your own research. You can't always trust what the FDA or the CDC are going to tell you when it comes to vaccine policy, because they don't always do the research on this stuff. Dr. Paul 17:53 Yeah, I watched some of the a CIP meeting where they were making this decision. So within the CDC, they've got a committee that basically supposed to study and then make recommendations. And you and I have watched this every year it happens. They, each year, they come out with a new pediatric schedule. And I was just horrified that they were rubber stamping this COVID job for six months and up with no safety data. Absolutely none. And in fact, the data that was presented was very carefully done to exclude all the harm we now know exists. So yeah. Bob Sears M.D. 18:31 And you know, it's interesting, if you look at the data, the data they published, they they're now saying, the fatality rate in COVID for children is about one for every 100,000 children. So thank you, thankfully, very low fatality rate, but the published risk of myocarditis and pericarditis as a side effect is about one in 10,000. Right, so you're accepting a vaccine, that's going to give you a 10 times higher risk of having a severe life altering cardiac side effects, you know, to protect you from a disease with one of the lowest fatality rates of all our infectious or infectious diseases when it comes to children. So that's why parents really need to look at the risk versus benefit and make their own decision on this. Dr. Paul 19:18 Yeah, I agree. And because we're going to run out of time, I want to pivot towards something that's become I wasn't aware of this really until COVID. How do we protect our children if they need to be hospitalized? I have seen situations where kids go into the hospital, completely unaware that there's any risk in walking through that er, and what what ends up transpiring is horrible. What's your take? What are you doing in your practice, to address this issue? Bob Sears M.D. 19:51 Well, Paul, I would agree with you that a lot of my patients really fear that scenario. They're so reluctant to go to the emergency room. He asked me, you know, should I tell them I'm not vaccinated? What do I tell them, and I always tell them to be honest. And, but, you know, Paul, I would love to hear what you have to say, because I too feel like my patients are at the mercy of the hospital doctors and medical staff in the hospital policies, because once they step into that, er, through out of my hands, I'm you know, even though I have privileges at some of the hospitals, I'm still not their doctor once they enter the hospital. And so I kind of felt that they are a little vulnerable. And I always try, I always will talk with the doctors there and try to make myself available to speak with the doctors and I'd say maybe that's perhaps the one thing parents can do is if you have a doctor, such as myself, or, or an open minded doctor who you've trusted, who's been following you all these years, have that doctor get on the phone with a hospital doctor and and open the to a you know, line of communication, so that the hospital feels better. If the hospital knows you're in the hands of the doctor who will see you and be involved in your care, then they feel much better about the choices. If you if you walk in there acting like you don't like doctors, you don't trust doctors, and and they think, Oh, well, do you even have a doctor, now they're even more worried about you, then then that could lead to some more some more challenges for you. So I think, have your doctor communicate effectively with the hospital, so they know you're in someone's hands. And and now even though I have different vaccine policies in my office, and most of my patients don't vaccinate, I still will come across as a completely regular mainstream doctor, you know, because I am, when it comes to a lot of pediatric issues and pediatric medical care, I will present myself that way to the hospital staff will have their colleagues are calling discussion. And if that hospital doctor can have a nice colleague to colleague discussion with your doctor over the phone about your medical care, then they will feel much better. And I think that's probably the key is having your doctor willing to have that communication with them. Because I'm not like a, you know, a granola eating, you know, you know, you know, never any medication type of doctor in my office, nothing wrong with granola, really, I'm like a regular classically trained doctor, I do things, you know, in mainstream medical way for the most part. So I know how to how to have that conversation with that hospital. And so your doctor would be able to do that for you as well. Yeah. Dr. Paul 22:39 So the trick is finding more Bob Sears in the country, because you're absolutely right, we need to have our main doctor or at least a doctor who's who knows our child who can play that role that you play, that keeps the hospital team from just going rogue. The other thing I would add to that is don't go alone. So you know, the hospitals if they learn you're under vaccinated or not vaccinated at all, there's a lot of bullying that goes on you. And I've seen this in our practices, the stories that come back, but if you go with somebody who's versed enough, in this whole topic, and can be your support person, really, yeah, you don't want to be alone against the whole team that just keeps coming in and hammering you. And if you have a good doctor, you can often stay out of the hospital period, you can even stay out. So that's the other thing, you know, stay in close contact with, with your provider. I'm sure you've kept many a person out of the ER by just being available to walk them through their concerns. Bob Sears M.D. 23:40 Yeah, so no, I also tell my patients don't have a vaccine argument with the hospital staff, you know, it's not like you're going to convince them you're right. You're never going to convince them, I tell my patients to respectfully Listen, say, you know, thank you for that information, you know, I'll definitely consider it and consider it, you know, take the information, listen and say, you know, thank you for, you know, bringing this to my attention, I have more to think about, I will definitely you know, think about what you're telling me I'll I'll talk more with my doctor about it. And you know, because you're not you're not in the hospital because you didn't vaccinate, and most hospitals probably wouldn't even give you vaccines while your child is severely ill, at least anyway. So it's not like you're gonna be faced with that decision in the hospital. So you really don't have to come to any conclusions with the argument. You really just have to be a respectful patient, treat your medical staff with respect, they'll treat you with respect hopefully, and tell them that you'll honestly consider you know, the information they're giving you. Yeah, good. Game. Dr. Paul 24:46 Good reminder, we need to be respectful. Last question, we're gonna wrap this one up. How do I choose a trustworthy doctor? If I'm looking for a pediatrician or pediatric care? What What thoughts do you have on that one? Bob Sears M.D. 25:01 That is a great question. Um, you know, Paul, I feel like there's, there's a shift in medicine that I'm sure you've seen where a lot of doctors such as myself, are no longer operating under medical insurance contracts, because I honestly couldn't survive as a business person trying to provide great pediatric care under insurance contracts. So when I took myself outside of insurance contracts, I was no longer beholden to them at all, I no longer had to shorten my medical visits or limit the amount of time I could spend with people, I wasn't trying to meet their, you know, healthy children, 2000 guidelines, you know, trying to make sure all their patients are up to speed on their vaccines, I was able to just make, you know, wise medical decisions with the family without the business aspect to it. So I would say, for the most part, even though a lot of pediatricians and doctors out there, who don't take insurance, a lot of them probably do really promote vaccines, and like giving vaccines and they like following the CDC schedule, but I would say for the most part, they're also going to be more open minded people who are more there to serve you. versus the other way around, you know, if, if you're seeing an insurance doctor, their mindset is a lot, you know, they're a customer of the insurance company, you know, and I'm kind of working for the insurance company. So, you know, they're, they're kind of there to be my patient. Whereas what I like to see, as I'm your doctor, outside of insurance, I'm here to serve you. And I'm going to respect you and honor your choices. So I think, you know, for the most part, if you find a doctor outside of that, that insurance machine, you probably get a lot farther, but you're after going to be willing to pay for that. Understanding you have to pay a little more for for good medical care. But honestly, that's what you're looking for. And you'll probably be glad that you did it. Yeah, Dr. Paul 27:06 you make a good point, I my office took insurance. And that created all the problems I had, because I wasn't meeting quality standards. I mean, you're supposed to have all your two two year olds fully vaccinated by age two, you're supposed to have 70% of your teenagers have gotten the HPV vaccine, ethically, and morally, I couldn't do any of those things. So my vaccine rate wasn't zero. But for fully vaccinated, it was pretty close to zero. So you lose all sorts of financial incentives, and you get dropped from certain insurance plans. It's just a spiraling. business wise, you can't do it. So I like your idea, find people who aren't who are not beholden to, to pharma, and they're not beholding to insurance companies. But for those of you watching who just economically, you're stuck with the insurance you have, and you have no extra money in your pocket. This thought I have and you can add to this, if you have an idea, make some phone calls. I mean, you may have to call every single office that's within 60 Miles driving distance from where you live, to find an office where they will allow you to do have full informed consent and to make decisions for yourself as opposed to kicking you out. So you just call and say, Do you kick people out who don't vaccinate? If it's Yep, you have to vaccinate next onto the next, right. There are people out there that are navigating this and you just have to look Bob Sears M.D. 28:36 right and other great resources would be, for example, midwives in your area, would likely know who the go to pediatrician is, you know where you live, you can ask them, you can look at like holistically minded parent groups online or on social media. And ask, you know, ask those groups who they're seeing in their local area who's open minded? Dr. Paul 28:58 Yeah, your book used to have a list has that stayed up to date? Bob Sears M.D. 29:02 That list is still there, Paul, um, it's a they can they can find that list on my website. It's a It's semi up to date. It's basically a list of, we call it vaccine friendly doctors. Basically people who have emailed me over the years saying, hey, you know, I give vaccines in my office, and maybe I like vaccines, but I'm open minded about it. And I'm willing to see patients who are looking for a doctor who at least you know, will be open minded, so you'd like to check it on on my website. Certainly awesome. Dr. Paul 29:35 So that'd be another place to start and just start calling the offices that are near enough to you and see if indeed they will allow you to do whatever it is you want to do once you're informed. Bob, I thank you so much. You get the last word as Is there anything you'd like to say to the viewers here? Bob Sears M.D. 29:51 What I found over these years is I found writing is really a great passion of mine as it is of yours. I love it. Some of the books you've written, you know, the, the addiction spectrum as well as a great book that was read through that and found it very fascinating. Of course, I, I love your, your vaccine friendly plan books a lot of years almost is like a whole baby book about how to raise a baby naturally, you know, with some Vaccine Information added in as well. So I appreciate that I've found writing is probably what I like doing even more than spending time in the office. So over the years, over these last few years, I've written more books and in the vaccine arena, and so people can check them out on my website, of course. But you know, one of my favorite ones is actually a fictional book all about vaccines, it's called a tale of two sides. And, Paul, you're actually one of the stars in that book, I will say, one of the main pediatricians in there, I kind of tailored him a little after you didn't give him the same name, but you can probably guess who it is. And then I've uh, I've actually just start just finished polishing off a new book, which was super fun to write. And I think I might be calling a Doctor Bob the versus the medical board. It's a fictional account of the last eight years of my life. And it had to be fictional because I wanted to present a whole world of what the medical board is like, an all the forces kind of working against me, because I don't know what they're doing. You know, you and I just know our side of the story. But I thought it'd be a little boring, just trying to tell my side of the story. So I have like my side of the story, intermixed with a fictional account of what a medical board might, you know, go about doing to take down a doctor such as you or me, and you're in that book to Paul. So yeah, you're welcome. Glad Yeah, that's not out yet. But it'll be on my website, and people can look for it. And you should write a book like that, Paul, if you haven't already. Dr. Paul 32:05 It's a full book for sure. Yeah. Thank you, Dr. Bob, you are always a wealth of information and knowledge, especially in this area of vaccines. And thank you for your courage to do everything you do and continue to do to inform our world about what's actually going on. Bob Sears M.D. 32:21 Right, you too, Paul, keep it up. Transcribed by https://otter.ai PDF:Text:Dr. Paul 0:05
Dr. Paul, welcome to with the wind science revealed. This one's not exactly science. This is an important episode. It's Valentine's Day DeeDee and I are going to share from our heart and from our souls about love. We're also going to update you on some history with the show and where it's going in the future. Enjoy the show Dr. Paul coming to you from the heart, you're going to hear in this Valentine episode Deedee. And I share a lot about love. I recently read a book by Gladys McGarry a life well lived, she wrote it at the age of 102. And the concept that I got from that that I had just never thought of that I wanted to share with you is about self love. But what to do when you don't feel like you can love yourself, or there's something holding you back. And you don't have somebody like a DD as you're going to see in this episode to reach out to can work with you and guide you and, and coach you to self love. And her approach was just amazing and simple. Basically, it was to visualize close your eyes and visualize what it is that's holding you back. And then put that out there and release it. And after you release it, you give yourself a hug. And she actually describes it, you put your arms around yourself and you just hug yourself as as firmly as you would like to be hugged for the situation of this release of whatever's holding you back. And I think we can do this as many times as we need to. And really love ourselves, forgive ourselves for whatever might be holding us back, forgive the people who may have harmed us or done things that made it very difficult for us to love ourselves. Because when we can forgive them as well forgive ourselves for whatever may have happened or in ability to get beyond it. We can start a new, we can love ourselves. And from there mazing transformations are possible. Dr. Paul here welcome to with the wind science revealed. I have a guest today who you all know pretty well. This is DD she's been by my side for so much of what's happened with this show. We want to start off by saying a big Happy Valentine's Day. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 2:52 Happy Valentine's Day. Dr. Paul 2:53 Yep, this is airing on Valentine's Day. So we thought we've got to have a Valentine's show. And we're gonna get into that. And obviously, when we talk about Valentine's, we're going to talk about love. You have a love heart pillow, we have some Valentine's flowers. But before we get to that, and I think that's going to be kind of a fun, we are completely non scripted. So this is just from the heart and from the soul, if you will, we will skip from the heart. It'll just all right from the heart. Let me tell you a little update on our show. I've been asked by children's health defense to do a show for them in the morning. Good morning. CHD pediatric perspectives. So once a week that's going to air and the focus is all pediatrics. And they just notified me this recently that's kicking off. Probably one or two shows may have happened by the time you're seeing this on Valentine's Day. So check that out. But we're gonna continue this show. We're gonna go back to every other week as we used to when we started. Should we give a little history on how we started? Yes. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 3:55 lit in case yeah, there's probably a lot of people that didn't see those first wonderful episodes, y'all. You miss some crazy stuff. Dr. Paul 4:04 I think that would be a good place to start. So it all started after I lost my license, which happened after I published a paper in the International Journal of Public Health that showed unvaccinated children in my practice, were far healthier than the vaccinated. I mean, we're talking four to eight times 400 to 800%. It was the information the medical board had asked for. We did it right. We published it. And within a few days after that was available online boom. I was without a license. It came as a shock. My practice had already been struggling due to intense pressure from the Medical Board, the Oregon Health Authority, some health insurance plans all over the vaccine issue. So what was I going to do? I thought I was actually I was driving some of you heard this story. I'm driving down the highway listening to against the wind by Bob Seger. I'm going yeah, that's the name of my show. We're gonna go against the when I felt like I was fighting a giant, you know, when you lose your license to a medical board that seems all powerful and in effect they are. It's like David and Goliath and, and I was running against the wind and I wasn't gonna roll over, I was gonna fight. So you were working with me at the time. And so you got to watch me film these episodes, the very early ones. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 5:27 Actually, I didn't want to film them. I watched them. I joined I'm $1.99 member probably shouldn't say. Dr. Paul 5:35 Yeah, those of you who are members, thank you so much your support, actually, is the only reason we're able to continue this show. Yeah, DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 5:42 it really is. Yeah. So I just was watching shows, and we were coaching at the same time. At that time, I was just Dr. Paul's body worker, and wellness coach. And now you can take over. Dr. Paul 5:58 So I remember she was trying to coach me and say, you know, you're never gonna get your license back, if you have this attitude. Because I was like, I could never get it back. They're all powerful. It's a kangaroo court. And you came at me a couple, two, three times with that same loving message. And it's Valentine's Day, and this woman is very loving. And she said, well, with an attitude like that you're never gonna get your license back. And you know that when the truth is just there, it hit me like, she's right. I've known about being positive, I've generally been a positive person all my life, but I was down. I was that took me down the whole combo of my practice dying, it didn't die completely. It's still up and running with a whole new group of the same team that was there took it over. Thank goodness, thank you to that team, if you happen to see this episode. But it was a lot. And in honor of Valentine's Day, I'm just going to tell you that this wellness coach, who was coaching me, had a way of just guiding me through the process in a very loving way. But but she wasn't making any decisions for me, and I am so forever grateful for that. You had to ask me at least 100 plus times, well, what do you want, Paul? Because she never told me what to do or how to do it. But was just there, in a sense as a wellness coach, allowing me to love myself because I had drifted. I think from that I was pretty beat down and negative, which is not how I like to be or wanted to be. Well, there was another piece. I had become incredibly egotistical, but I wasn't aware of it. And so I'm like this spinning top in my old clinic going from room to room to room, nurse practitioners working with me for me. And I mean, I own the clinic, they work for me, and we work together as a team. But I would go in anytime they had a question. And I was like, boom, I had an answer. In retrospect, not always necessarily the perfect right answer, but I was. Yeah, I was all that. And you were able to help me see that things weren't all as I thought they were. And that process of waking me up and opening me up. That was a deep personal journey of my own. And I remember also, many times where I felt just take the some body work and I had some CrossFit injuries, and I would get some body work and just feel like Wow, you really you fixed me. And you hated that. Why did you hate that? DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 8:58 Because I'm not fixing you. And it's the same thing with a wellness coaching. It's the only one that can make any changes. The only one that can make any changes for ourselves is us. We have to want to and what I saw in him, and again, I was working on a lot of his patients, I had a lot of the referrals from the clinic. So I do pediatric bodywork and I saw what he how he was being and I just thought to myself, I don't see a soul. And again, just being who I was, I couldn't really say anything. But then the opportunity opened up when he was thinking he was going to lose everything. And you don't have to when things happen to you, it's you got to go down deep and that's when I realized wow, he can connect with his soul. And sometimes we need wellness coaches for that. Sometimes we see things that it's all we're going to do is go against the wind. And so when kind of stepping back when I watch the first episodes We had already done some wellness coaching on to not sound like you know more than everybody else, or to not be in this kind of an ego centered way of telling somebody what to do and that he knew better. It needs to be up to people to make their own decisions. So I'm watching these first shows. And I'm like, wow, or did you listen to any other coaching? So what happened though, was, as we're doing the coaching, he actually came in for a session and I said, you know, why don't we let people see all these changes you're making and your soul? And what about speaking from your heart? And so that's how, Dr. Paul 10:45 yeah, that's how I from the heart started. And then ultimately, we shifted pivoted to with the wind. Because when you're fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, you're losing the power of everything that's behind you that that's uplifting and pushing you forward, which you all the viewers of this show are a big piece of that. And had you asked me back at the very beginning, what's your soul? Paul? I wouldn't have had an answer. I was that lost. It's like, oh, my gosh, I mean, I grew up in the church, not that the church is necessarily where you're gonna find your soul, by the way, but I was, I had loving parents. I mean, they parented in a in their own way, which, which had its own immense benefits. very goal oriented, I could say it was it was demonstrated for me, and I was really good at that. But somehow, I never got the kind of guidance or nurture that I needed. I'm not saying they weren't nurturing, they were amazing parents, but to get in touch with my soul. So that's been the joy and the gift of this journey for me, and some of you may have seen there's, there is a change in this whole guy. I certainly feel it, I know it, I love it. And that's part of what the show now is, is to be able to do everything we can to allow others, you, the viewers, the opportunity to take that journey of healing and getting in touch with your own soul. It's a beautiful thing. And in a sense, with that approach to life. Doesn't really matter what life throws at us. I mean, sure, it's nice when it's not all terrible, right, but how we respond if we're responding with love and responding soulfully it's a good life. It will DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 12:47 and you talked about when you're in the fight, you know, your fight, fight, fight, what happens. And if you remember that generally fight or flight is based on fear. We generally enter that state and our nervous system because we become fearful of something, become fearful of losing our license, we become fearful of losing somebody in our world. And that takes over. And it's, I think that's the thing we talk a lot about is that's a human response. And it's more than okay. But it's the soul that leads with love. It's the soul that comes forward, and allows you to not have fear. Because no matter what you believe in when you have faith, and for us, it's God, that that's what our souls connecting with. That's who we are. And when that leads forward, there's no fear. I'm not saying it's easy on sometimes that's why you need a wellness coach. But I don't do it for anybody. That's the thing I think to remember is and that's something you did, you would he would say to me, you know, thanks for, you know, fixing me Or, Wow, you did this and I'd have people say that and that's not okay, because it takes the power away from you. He did the work, he pushed himself, he connected with his soul, he allowed God to work through him, not me. Dr. Paul 14:01 She had to drill that in many times, because I just wasn't getting it. But it really hit me. If you have a doctor or a coach or a loved one who empowers you then you know what to do next time you're in trouble. Right if if you the way I used to doctor, you needed me right because I was the one fixing you i was the solution. I was providing the solutions. And you did it a whole different way your coaching and wellness approach it yes, you know, you can feel the love. This woman knows how to love but she's real clear. I'm not doing anything you're doing it. And that's so empowering. When you realize that that's actually true. It is actually true. We can heal ourselves. And it is actually for us to do and you you mentioned it or alluded to do it and that is self love that that is, I think that is the biggest struggle a lot of us had I, I, as successful as I was, I mean, here, I'm, you know, pediatrician run my office author, you know, I've had accolades and awards, blah, blah, blah. I didn't think I was all that great. Other than pretending. Right? And so even even people who you might think I've got it all going on, a lot of us struggle with self love, really, at the core, loving who you are. So, tell us a little more about that. How do we? DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 15:39 Well, working with kids, a lot of it is self confidence, right? And we always talk about how do we become confident in ourselves and believe in ourselves? Wow. It's love. If you don't love yourself, and how can you have confidence or believe in yourself? Right. And I think that was part of it with working with you is, here's this, you know, amazing pediatrician that everybody loves anytime we go anywhere, people will like plow me down to get. And it's everything you've done is so amazing. But it's that inner part of you and how loving you are. And people have said that so many times. Since then, is Wow, Dr. Paul has changed. Wow, he's just all those all those pieces about you. Everybody sees and notices and and what you do now for people is incredible, because it's coming from that place of love, can go a little off track. If you want to be self confident, and you want to believe in yourself, you have to start with loving yourself. If we don't love ourselves, then we cannot heal anything within ourselves. I believe that we have everything within us that we need to do and be anything we want to be. There's going to be circumstances in life that will stop you from certain things, there's going to be limitations to certain things. But as long as you love who you are, you will never lose that competence in yourself. You might have to backup change tracks, whatever it might be. But if you don't love yourself, there's really no way for anybody else to fully love you. Dr. Paul 17:21 That's how I feel. That was powerful. Thank you. You're welcome. You see, folks, this woman's amazing, she actually does wellness coaching kids first forever. So that is something you can you can tap into that as well I have sometimes witnessed from a distance will be in the office, and she's coaching in the other room. And I just overhear a little bit of her side of the coaching. And it's, I can tell it's transformative. And this could be with teenagers who are suicidal, struggling with whatever issues teenagers and even younger than teenagers, even a three year old three years old, oh my lord, there was a three year old who was so afraid so fearful, called herself baby, and would not leave her mother's side for a second. This poor child was was overwhelmed with anxiety 24/7. And in in one session, she's out playing on the pavement on the sidewalk coloring with Didi and and she comes in and says I'm a big girl. Oh my goodness. So it doesn't matter how old you are doesn't matter what your credentials she is working with, you know, other physicians, she's working, it doesn't matter. It's a gift you bring to the world. And on Valentine's Day, I certainly have to honor that ability of you to love at that level, your your openness to just hear you hear so well. When you're when you're working with people you hear and understand at a level I almost can't believe. But that's how you reach and connect in such a powerful way. So that's my Valentine's gift to all of you is this woman that you too can access her coaching. I'm great at talking about, you know, vaccines, pediatric topics that's in my wheelhouse. I coach on that as well. But if you've got deep emotional, psychological, mental, spiritual issues that maybe are holding you back, or maybe this self love thing is just, you can't seem to break from some bondages that maybe go back to early childhood or sometime in your childhood. Many of us weren't raised or had experiences that really rocked us to our core and we we went inside and we hid and we and we can't seem to break free. There's a solution for you. I'm looking at her. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 19:51 And you do too. So what do you love most about kids first forever and should we explain what that is? I think we've said it a few times, but why don't we bring it because that's our big love and passion. And with the win with the wind is, is the show that really got going right. And we interviewed doctors and other people, but the together, we co founded kids first forever. And the point of that was to allow others to reach their highest expectation, their fullest growth, and putting kids first and whether that's the little girl inside of you, or raising our own children, it's something that's really, I'm really passionate about, how about you tell you what it means to you, you Dr. Paul 20:34 know, my entire career, it's been about kids. And I didn't even know that I was coaching parents coaching kids in the office a lot. And so now I'm, I've transitioned, I'm retired from the traditional medical practice, I'm not licensed, but I can coach I can still help parents help children move towards. And we talked about four things. This, this became really important. I as an MD, in my pediatric practice, I was mostly focused on physical. So you've got an ailment, you've got a physical problem, I'm going to do the assessment, diagnose and treat, right, the old way I was trained, although I must say over the decade or so towards the end, when I'm dealing with children with behavioral issues, ATD, ADHD, autism, anxiety, depression, I was taking a whole different stance on that it wasn't just diagnose and treat, you're really trying to get down to the core, but what you've helped introduce into my life and into the whole assessment program, and what we're doing with kids first, is the mental and spiritual, right, physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. And you might have a challenge that seems physical, let's say you're stressed, but its basis is in the mental, emotional or spiritual. And until that, that is sorted out, is the physical just doesn't get better, you can throw meds at it, you can throw almost anything at it. And if you haven't addressed that root cause, and oftentimes it goes back to that self love. So here on Valentine's Day, that is a focus to remind you that you are loved, you are lovable. And once you love yourself, you're going to be so free to love others. And if you're a parent, and you're struggling with this, don't wait. Get a hold of DD, get a hold of me, but I get older, if that's the struggle, because you're gonna free yourself to love your children in such a more beautiful, deeper way. So they grow up with self love, and freedom that comes from that, to be able to love the world, change the world. So on a small scale kids first forever is about changing the world, we do it one person at a time, we're going to do everything we can to make it more available to larger groups of people. But at this point, it's it's very individual, it's a resource. Well, DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 23:09 and I think healing is individual. So I think that's part of it. But there are lots of things that have lots and lots coming up. We're gonna work on all kinds of things. But how about we talk about my favorite kind of love? Dr. Paul 23:23 What's that? Unconditional? DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 23:25 Do you want to tell me what unconditional love is? Dr. Paul 23:29 Well it's what the Word says. But doing it in real life is a whole different thing. So, you know, parents, you know, your children will do things that you wish they wouldn't do. When you have real unconditional love, you make it very clear always that your child is completely love. There's nothing wrong with them. There may be a behavior that needs to be addressed. And then even that there are ways to address it. I kids, my kids, if you're watching, I didn't do a really good job with this. I had there were too many of you know, I was oh my gosh, that was a little slip back into the old slip into the old power. You know, egotistically I'm good. You're the problem. No, you were never the problem. The we just, you know, we muddled through with 10 kids in the house. Well, we had one year with eight kids in the house. So there was 10 of us in the house. But it was it was awesome chaos. And at times not so awesome for you, my kids, and unconditional love. I think had I been in touch with my soul would have looked very different. So I think as as adults and as parents we really owe it to our children and to those in our world to love ourselves so completely and and conditionally and let go of the baggage and forgive ourselves for our past that we are free and fully available to all the people in our lives. But expand on unconditional love for us. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 25:12 Okay? Well, it means that we don't put any conditions on how we love somebody. And if we love somebody, when we love somebody, and I think that's the piece is there's a lot of things like people think well, wait a second, though I'm supposed to love somebody, even if they're being mean to me. i We still always have to love ourselves. And yes, you can still love them, even if they're being mean to you. Do you let them continue to be mean to you know, there are things that are reasons that we aren't able to have somebody close in our life. There's reasons that parents and adults get divorced. There's reasons that relationships have to end or stop. But it doesn't stop us from loving that person. And I get that that's hard. And, and there are people that we may not, like, show love to all the time, if someone like somebody asked me one time, oh, so you unconditionally love everybody in your life, even the people that hurt you and I do. And someone and so the person asked me, so if somebody this is pretty extreme, y'all, this is like PG 17 stuff. If somebody murdered your child, you would still love them. I'm like, well, that's kind of crazy. But yes, I would. Would there be hate and anger and all those things that come with it? Would there be a lot of hurt. But I think the thing sometimes that we don't remember, like, what I go bring that person something when I go visit them in jail? No. But I would want to love them because something happened that allowed them to do something that was so awful. And I think we forget that sometimes. But out of most people's reactions that aren't loving and kind, there's something else there that happened to them that they weren't able to heal from. So if we allow ourselves to heal, and just to love. And what that really means is putting love forward, never letting love leave you internally, never letting your soul be anything but leading with love. We don't always have the greatest reactions. And it's known that I'm pretty bossy. And I boss a lot of people around, is that loving? Yes. Okay. I don't really have a problem with it. But the bottom line is there are behaviors and things we're going to do. And we don't have to love those behaviors. Like sometimes I'll say, I don't love you right now. But I like you. We tell our kids. But the bottom line is that's the thing is we may not like what's happening. But we'll always and always should love ourselves, love our children and everyone around us. If everybody in this world could come from that place, you know, it'd be a whole different world, a different world. Yeah, there wouldn't be worse and things. Yeah, but it's not that way. But the way we stop ourselves from being in pain, with everything that's happening around us, is to do our best to leave with love forward. One thing I'd like to add, if you don't mind, Dr. Paul 28:18 go for it is that DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 28:21 with the four areas that kids first forever focuses on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. I've heard people say, you know, we should have, we should try and have all those areas in balance. The bottom line is, balance is one of those weird things that I hear of is that not sometimes we're, we're really physically sick, and you need to just rest and that's what you take care of. So maybe, you know, in other areas a little out of balance, I think what happens is as long as we're connected, and we have those areas living harmoniously. Dr. Paul 28:56 I set it right, that was good. And DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 28:59 within. Within that harmony comes maybe the balance that people want to see, but I hear that all the time. Anything in moderation is good. Well, I'm allergic to gluten and so there's no moderation with that. So I think that's the point I'm trying to get at is that we need to understand that we're not maybe always imbalanced, but we can always be loving and kind to ourselves. Dr. Paul 29:26 That's amazing, isn't it? So I've always admired some of the amazing individuals historically, Jesus Gandhi, there are others who seemed to be able to do that unconditional love completely. And in fact, I had one of my adopted sisters who at the end, when I was in her presence, it was like, wow, goosebumps just overcome with it was love. It was God it was spirit. It was amazing. I thought I must be sitting With Jesus, and she passed away two weeks later and and had basically left her children to me who became my children. They were my nephews and nieces. Prior to that, that was a time you know, Uncle Paul became dad sort of pops all sorts of names. But anyway, the point was, she loved as did Jesus from everything I can tell, as did Gandhi from people who knew him towards the end. Completely didn't matter if you were a murderer, or whatever, as you pointed out, you don't condone the behavior, you may not even like the person that wouldn't be somebody would choose to hang out with what you love. And when you can come from that place. Boy, that's, that's a dream and hope of mine. I'll probably be working on it for at least this lifetime, if not a whole bunch more. But it's certainly something that we on Valentine's Day, can wish for all the world and for you. And so DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 31:02 from just Valentine's Day, well, Today's Dr. Paul 31:05 Valentine's Day, but every day, every moment, if we're leading and coming from that place, what a glorious life it is, what a beautiful place where I want to thank you for being in my life, because you also most of the time, exude this incredible love. And oh, DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 31:28 I always have love. I just like I said, I'm Bossy, Bossy sometimes. So I want to kind of add something to that. If you don't mind, please. Um, first of all, can I have the flowers after the shows? Absolutely. Okay. Second of all, um, I think that's the thing is, we, Valentine's Day, a lot of people will say, is a Hallmark holiday. And I've had people in my life before, it's like, I don't need a date and tell you when I love you or give you gifts or things. And I used to think well then pick a day. It doesn't have to be February 14, I'll take any day. But I think that's the thing is that we, we need to be that way all the time. We don't need to bring all of equal to get roses all the time. But no, I think the point is that, that love that's inside of you. That's an every day, every moment thing. But we don't ever want to negate what's happening that doesn't allow us to act lovingly all the time. There are things that hurt and are painful. But it's taking those steps back and giving ourselves time, emotionally and mentally and spiritually, to absorb what we need to do in that moment to get back to being loving. But yes, I love Valentine's Day. I just think it's really cool. Dr. Paul 32:55 We were we were talking before we got on, on camera about what were our Valentine's Day experiences. Like because I grew up in Africa as a missionary kid, there was no Valentine's Day, there was no Hallmark store. There were a lot of celebrations that just didn't happen there just life was what it was day to day. Then, of course, as I grew up, then moved to the states for college and beyond you, you realize that this is an opportunity. And we were reflecting how it's different for guys and girls a little bit. I at least I learned it was the time if you have somebody you care about this would be a really good day to get a card and some flowers probably be a really bad move not to so you know if you're watching this and you forgot somebody, it's not too late. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 33:45 Depends on if they are if they're seeing the show on February 18 Dr. Paul 33:48 Oh, true if you're seeing that as it comes out live, share Yeah. But DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 33:54 you said something is that and I want to make sure that people understand too. It's not always a male female thing. But generally in a relationship there's one person that's more loving, and seems to be the responsible person for doing the sweet things right the one that is generally maybe a more outside the home that's doing the work that thinks the person at home taking care of the kids no matter whether they're male or female, none of that matters. But I think that's the thing is it's not putting your pressure putting pressure on yourself like for me well written beautiful cards that tell someone how much you love. Love them that's just as important although I gotta tell you the roses are really pretty he brought them in for this set but I think I'm gonna take them home. Dr. Paul 34:40 Yes you are DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 34:41 yeah go ahead. Well know back when he was talking about was the experiences that we that we had, like mine was different. I grew up you know, in school, we brought little Valentine's to each other. We had school party for Valentine's Day and everyone was supposed to give gifts. Yeah, Dr. Paul 35:07 actually that that was true for my kids. I raised my kids here in the States and Valentine's Day, the parents would have to make sure you had a Valentine for each kid in the class. But that was nice. That was fair. You told me a story about when you were in high school, it was pretty brutal. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 35:22 It was only brutal. If you were me. There are a few people I won't mention any names, but it wasn't so brutal. Dr. Paul 35:27 Brutal for So describe it. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 35:31 So a lot of the high schools and it's it's not even just Valentine's Day, but especially on Valentine's Day, for a fundraiser for the student body, they would sell valid grams. And you know, our holograms all the different things for all the different holidays. And for Valentine's Day, you could buy a rose or a chocolate or a card. Because we didn't in in homeroom you didn't in high school, you didn't have to buy one for everyone, right? So at lunchtime, or after school, you could go and you could buy these for about a month before. Wow. It may have maybe only been two weeks, it seemed like forever to me. And then on homeroom. On Valentine's Day, they would deliver him to those kids, because you you knew where they all will Dr. Paul 36:16 see where this is going. didn't get any problems being proud. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 36:23 Yeah, so my sophomore year is brutal. Dr. Paul 36:28 That's brutal point where I did figure out how to stop. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 36:32 By our soft fire junior year, a bunch of us were just waiting for each other so that we would all get some. But I think the point of that was that we we need to be very, very loving to everybody. But again, the world's not fair. There are people that are going to just get more love than others, I guess or at least more valid Graham's. Oh, we should call all the high schools and tell him not to do it anymore. Dr. Paul 36:59 That's an idea. What you just shared reminded me of one of my youngest son be befriended a child in his class. This was around fourth, fifth grade, maybe six, who had no friends at all. I mean, this was a child on the spectrum. He was a little quirky, a little odd, and was bullied and tormented in early middle school. Yeah, it was early middle school. And he just became friends with him. And actually, you have a writer story like that too. And I think, you know, if you've raised kids who have that kind of a heart to realize that it isn't fair for some of our children that they are bullied and that can be really destructive. And these are the kids who sometimes end up suicidal, they just don't have a way out. And as parents we have to be very vigilant to protect our kids. I mean, sometimes you move schools you do whatever it takes, but if we can raise our kids to be that kind and loving that goes a long way to just spreading love in the world DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 38:09 well and in sharing with sharing with our kids that are bullied like right or wise or sharing with our kids that you know some of these kids is remind reminding them that it's just as important to be as loving to those kids because again, there's a reason we don't just you know come out of the womb going well I'm just going to be a bully for the rest of my life. That's not what happens and that lack of love that so many kids get does affect them some some come out okay, so I'm do fine. Others like you said, they're suicidal or, even worse, we have that the chaos and the devastation in our schools. I believe that's what school shootings are. And I think that's the thing is, I think, I think Valentine's Day really is an important day to remember that there is a lack of love in our world, there is a lack of depth of understanding and compassion. And so raising our children that's kids first forever is if we notice something's happening with our kid, let's help them Let's heal them. Let's allow them to learn to be loving to everybody. Yep. Dr. Paul 39:16 Well, folks want to thank you again for if you're still watching this. You've made it through a long series of love lessons. And from our hearts to yours. We wish you a Happy Valentine's Day and may the whole year be filled with love. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 39:32 Agreed. Hey, everyone, it's me DD coming to you from my soul. You just saw a wonderful episode with myself and Dr. Paul on love for Valentine's Day. So I want to talk about love. We talked about unconditional love. Love is I love love People always say what do you love most about the world? I love love. I love that because we've been when we say the words I love, what we're saying is that there's a part inside of us that's happy and joyful, right? And sometimes I'll hear someone say, Well, you know, I'm not loving love right now love hurts. Made me think. So I stepped back, I went into my soul. And I thought, why would love hurt? Well, I realize that when you love something, especially unconditionally, and wholeheartedly, and with everything that you are, and maybe that love isn't returned, or, for instance, this person that you've loved, that's loved you, and they die. Yeah, that hurts. It's not the love that hurts, though. It's the loss. And I think when we can see that and see that love is nothing but healing and powerful and forward moving. That if we get into our soul, and we go to that place, and know that, yeah, maybe we lost that person. And even if they just simply left our lives, and a relationship that's ended, the love is still powerful. I don't believe that it's the love that it's hurting. I believe that it's the relationship and the circumstances around it. Because in my soul, love is powerful. Why is it powerful, it's because of my connection to a higher power. It's because my soul is so connected to God. And just like so many people out there, no matter what your belief is, it still comes from a place of love. And I hear that all the time that God is love. Children, when they're born, they're nothing but love. There's little bitty souls in there. That that love is so powerful. Sometimes when I'm working with infants, I can feel it, I feel the love, I feel that perfection, that joy, that connection. They can't talk yet. But I feel it. And I think that's the thing that's most important to me today. And even with our our Valentine's Day special and talking about love, every day and everything we do, if we allow our soul to lead and be loving, it really does change things. It heals things. It brings down walls. I believe it can end wars, I believe it can allow people to be everything they want to be when they lead from their soul, and they lead from love. My wish for everybody is that you get to feel that, that you get to connect enough within yourself, that you feel your own self love. That it's becomes overwhelming. Sometimes I'll sit and I'll think about all the people I love and how much the people in my life mean to me. Because their interactions with me touches my soul. Love touches my soul and being able to love unconditional, I love it. I love being able to love people for just who they are. Yeah, I'm not perfect measure today, I can be bossy. That's not my soul though. Those are those human things that happen. But I love it when my soul leads. And when I allow everyone around me to feel loved. That comes back. Thank you for watching. Dr. Paul 43:58 I look forward to running together with the wind at our backs, revealing the science that gives clarity in our world that's full of propaganda and misinformation. Visit our website, doctors and science.com Sign up. Donate if you can. Your support makes a difference. And let's make this the weekly show the world has been waiting for. Thanks for watching. I'm Dr. Paul. Transcribed by https://otter.ai PDF:Text:Dr. Paul 0:04
Dr. Paul, welcome to with the wind science revealed. My guest today returning is Dr. H. Dr. Ely. He is the Executive Committee director of the Energetic Health Institute that he runs, teaches. And he is an incredible scientific researcher. What we're talking about today, in really great detail is water. Why it's so important, and what you can do to have the most healthful water that will absolutely transform your health journey. You're gonna find the DVD segment at the end of this entertaining as she just really gets personal with him. And then of course, she closes it out with her from the soul. Enjoy the show. Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. My topic for today is happiness and stress. I'm a student at the Energetic Health Institute. That is the program I'm taking the holistic nutrition program that Dr. Ely, you're going to hear from him later, he's my guest on the show today, has created and it's it's a master course is just incredible. So one of the segments had this interesting point. As you increase happiness, stress decreases. Think about that. It is hard to be stressed out when you're getting happy. So what makes you happy? Well, for me getting in touch with my purpose sure helps. Because if I'm lost about what my purpose is, it's very easy to have stress take over. So spend a little time get locked in with your purpose, why we're here on this earth. I've been blessed to have been put in the place that you all have heard my journey. And I live with purpose, thankfully did all the patients in my lives all the heartaches that have gone through so many families with vaccine injury, and you hear it all on the show. Purpose helps. But here's the thing, we want joy, we want happiness. And so how do we get that? Well, there's a trick, you can just give people compliments. It's very interesting to see what happens when you say, Oh, lovely shirt, I love your sweater, great earrings or whatever a little, you might think it's nothing. And it lights up people's eyes and they smile, they interact. Occasionally they don't interact at all. And you know, okay, well not interacting with that person. So the other side of this to be truly happy is you need laughter in your life, make opportunities for laughter. When I had that house full of kids, when I was raising all those kids, we had eight kids, most of them teenagers at one time in the house for an entire year before a couple of them moved on. And some of my kids had gone through horrendous things, losing their parents, we adopted them. Yet we had so much laughter in that house. There was happiness, there was joy, even this and despite some situations that you would go how do people even go on. So find ways to make laughter a part of your life. It's amazing what it does. And then just don't forget stress reduction, we need sleep, we need exercise, we need great nutrition. But when it gets really bad, it's been a while since I've reminded you breathe. Breathe in love. release stress. You do that a few cycles, and you will be amazed at how much better you feel. So in the end, we're gonna have happiness when we have connections. We want loving connections with people, people we care about. Let's go out and do that. And don't forget your connection to your higher power. Welcome, Dr. H. It is so great to have you back on the show with the wind. Oh my brother, man, it's so good to be here. And this wonderful new year that we have together as well. So much excitement so much to teach. And man, I just love everything that you're doing. And I'm so grateful for all the work that you've been doing, man, it's inspiring. You are doing folks, if you don't know this man is the Executive Committee director for Energetic Health Institute, which happens to be where I am taking your incredible course holistic nutrition. It starts off with a whole overview of holistic nutrition then yet you actually learned how to do raw and vegan, which is something I've never done either of those things. And this last segment I've just finished is called happiness and energetic meditation. Wow. And this is not your traditional standard, learn what calories are and this is in depth to your heart and soul. And man, you are a great educator. You're an incredible leader. Thank you for what you've put together in that course. Oh man, thank you for I wanted to thank you for the honor of Your presence in that course when I saw that You were coming in, I was just like what Dr. Ball was covered in the study, I was like, I hope we do a good job. But man, just that you're having such a great time with it, and you're learning so much. And I just have the utmost gratitude and respect for you. And I'm just truly grateful for those kind words. That means the world to me. Now the gratitude is to you have put together a masterpiece. That was us docs, we got almost zero training and nutrition period. And we also got very little education actually none in things like Energetic Health and love things that actually are powerful. That us we've in such a beautiful way. So folks, if you're watching and you've ever wanted to just whether it's to become an actual educator yourself, or just for your own journey, this the people Oh, the family that's together there at the Energetic Health Institute is amazing. We've covered water and food and supplements and restorative sleep, exercise the power of community and you always throw love in there. And so just incredible stuff. I thought, because it's a new year, what if I love your take on water? And how important it is? Could you maybe walk us through what you've stumbled on? And what you feel like would be the most important way for an individual, me the host of the show? Sure. But for you, the viewer, what should we be doing these days, and let's start with water. My goodness, Dr. Paul, I am so excited about water. And I was already a huge water nerd with Massaro. Emoto is where the secret messages and water the secret language of water and people writing words on their bottle of water and everything to infuse it with an energy and everything energy signature. I've been doing that for 25 years. But what we found was in the last year, I was working with Dr. Ed group who does a beautiful job with water at global healing.com I got to take a tour of his facility. And he was doing some things with water that I thought were just I really thought it was only conceptual I didn't think we had anybody who knew how to do production. So like Dr. Group was is he triple distills his water that what the tap water that comes in, and then plays music and Fibonacci sequences and runs it through structuring devices and crystals before that water is ready to become part of the medicines that he's making. And then he takes Karelian photography afterwards to show the energy signature of his products after they've been produced. And it's just this beautiful thing you can feel the energy of it. So I was talking with him last year because I was like we I think we have a problem here. We know you remember back to Flint, right? You remember back in Flint, Michigan and the water was polluted right that that never got resolved. And you see the big problem with all the plastic bottles nobody feels good about buying a plastic bottle anymore. And so it's what can we do about that? Is there something that we can do to make sure that the water coming out of someone's tap can be purified so that it is now impressionable with prayer and good intention and words and that it is when it's consumed does help cells communicate? See that's the power of masala motos work and Nobel laureate Luke monkstown, yeas work on water is what they're showing is that water does more than just act as a carrier medium for things that actually helps participate in cell communication, and optimizing how cells talk to each other. So it's going to bring that love and that happiness in. I started working on some stuff last year, last summer, after being inspired by Dr. Group, we were talking about it back and forth. And we put together a sequence I want to share right now we share this sequence that healing for the ages. If you haven't checked that conference out, you owe it to yourself to go into healing for the ages.com and make sure and get those video replays. Because there's a lot of information that's going to keep you super healthy and very happy as well. It's a great starting point. So I'm going to bring something on screen here because I this is true story. I'm going through and trying to figure out what's the right sequence how to do all this stuff with water? How can we make it affordable for people at home to set it up and everything? And something that I would do? Because if I wouldn't do it, I'm not going to ask other people to write. So this is what are you before you jump into that yet just review for folks? What is in tap water that we probably don't want? Oh, because if you don't even know what IP I'll hear people say oh, the US has the best water coming out of the faucet and I can smell the chlorine. Dr. Paul right if it is not the best water and if it is the best water that is a sad statement or what's going on around the world. So let me share screen right now and I'll show you what's in my water. Okay, can we so what we did was we went first of all to ew G Environmental Working group.org They have a wonderful tap water database. So if you go to ew g.org Forward slash tap water, you can actually put in your zip code. And they'll tell you based upon what your municipality publishes what's in the water. So this is just fact coming. So let me show the audience what, what's in my water. Okay, so I put my I put my zip code in there and look at this arsenic at 693 times the safe level of exposure. Why? Chloride? 5.6 times right. And so what do we know arsenic rat poison. So this is a poison delivery system that it's become chromium levels. Halo acidic. gotta be kidding me that there's that. Where do you live? Dude? I live where they like to blow up bombs. I do some testing because look at this. Look what else is in here though Dr. Paul? Nitrates right nitrites by when he thought he got lasers and run off and stuff. But look at this radium, even and uranium. And here's your smells to another thing because my water one of the things when I moved here was and I live in Arizona. But one of the things that I first smelled when I moved here was I was like, Wow, this water stinks. Water is not supposed to smell. And this water stuck, but just absolutely stuck. And I was like, what is that? It's a try Hallo methane, methane gas. That's off gassing from there. So what we did was we said, let's find out what's in the water first, whereas you can go to ew G and you can figure out there's some stuff in there. And for me, I'm going to tell people like it is it's a bio weapon. But I know that really doesn't isn't really necessarily a great thing for a lot of people. It's a toxin. We can all agree their toxins, and they shouldn't be going into the human but we don't need 600 We're not arsenic deficient. We can all agree on that. I don't think there's a thing that everybody needs arsenic for not one thing. Yeah, no, probably not a good idea. So what we did was I said, let's start developing a purification process and affordable one, right? Because it's one thing for people to go organic, which we've been teaching at the Energetic Health Institute for decades, it's another thing to have to find out what other ways can people get sick and they don't really realize they're getting sick. One of those ways is water consumption with cooking out tap water where we're drinking tap, when you go out to to a restaurant, the beverage is made with tap water, you're getting exposed to these things all the time. And they might You might call them trace amounts, I trust me when I tell you, your body does not consider these things to be trace amounts, these are toxins that it's going to have to work to get rid of. So here's what we had, we stumbled upon something. And it's really exciting, I think, for everybody. And we talked about this at healing for the ages in my presentation on day two. So let me show some pictures here. I got it. This is what is so cool when you get into it, right. So what we did was my son and I started going through a process. And finally, we said what happens if we purify it and structure the water and then we freeze it what is the water look like? What you're seeing right now on screen is purified water, you see how you can see through right here, there's a clarity over in here, which you can see the structure that water can take. And so this was started to become proof of concept. And I've since had a number of students send me pictures, I usually get a picture a couple of picture or two about their water and what it looks like now that it's going through ice kids, but it's being frozen as you get a picture to a week now from students around the world who are trying this method and validating that this works. So let me show folks a comparison. We took my tap water and this is actually an experiment we did in Dallas right before the conference, the healing for the ages conference, we took in their circular because that was the mold we use we use I have a fun little mold to make ice cubes, they make some base beers instead of the traditionals. But we just took Dallas tap water and we froze it and look at this on the left. That's what it looks like. And then we took that same water and took it through a three stage process that I'm about to explain. And this is what that water look like after you get clarity and you get structured. And when you get structure and you get improvement of how cells communicate because the human body is two thirds to three quarters water. So we're improving how the body clean this is actually detoxing with by stopping it before it comes into your body. Right. So we get to we've seen around the country, what's in water with fluoride, we know is a big problem because it's going to bind magnesium and it's going to be a neurotoxin and it comes as a waste product of aluminum production. We know there's lead we know there's aluminum, we know there's chlorine, a lot of chlorine in the water right really bad. And that chlorine can create chloroform or a knockout gas. We know there's pesticide runoff, we know there's nitrates nitrites we know there's genetically infected micro organisms in the water that might be harboring some of these plasmids that Kevin mckernon has great work we know that there's also We're going to be rocket fuel in there, that's been confirmed, we know that the water that comes out of the top is called reclaim, meaning it's basically what was flushed down your toilet. So it's going to have residues of antibiotics and antidepressants and blood pressure meds and all the things that get flushed down the toilet when they have been expired. We also know there's going to be weaponized bacteria and plasmids, right. And especially plasmids that have been genetically modified in a lab. This is a big concern for us. So what we did was we went and looked at what's the correct what would what's affordable and what is a correct process for this, and this is what I do every single day. Dr. Pol, this is not something I'm saying, Hey, you should do this. I don't do it, but you should do it. I do this every single day. I am a water snob for real right now and will be a water snob the rest of my life. The first thing we do is we take a little food grade hydrogen peroxide, this comes from a company Dr. Ed group is put together as a 6% Hydrogen Peroxide. And we what I'll do is I'll take tap water and put it in a big old moonshine gallon jug, those old moonshine Dukes of Hazzard jugs, they're a couple bucks on mine. So you buy a few of them, I'll put that in, I'll put the tap water in there and then put a couple of drops of food grade not, it has to be food grade. And I'll put food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if you're at 6%, you're probably doing about 11 to 19 drops somewhere in there. That's all you need for a gallon. And then I'll set it out in the sun. You know why? Because water likes the sun. And water doesn't often get a chance to see the sun when it goes through all these pipes. So I just put it out there and let the sun hit it a little bit which wipes out a little bit more of any bacteria and stuff like that. That's what the prep step is doing is just getting out some of the bacteria. And then what we do Dr. Pol is we run it through a gravity filter. And the gravity filter that we've tested out that is the best right now is Alexa pure. We really love this filter because it is one of the few filters that has been proven to get out fluoride and some of those other molecules. Okay, we also and I'm going to give a big shout out to Berkey. Right now, because they're being unfairly targeted by the and illegally targeted by the EPA or the FDA, I forget which one I think maybe the FDA, the black Berkey filters are excellent everybody. So please do not feel like black Berkey these do not work. The white Berkey filters. I agree I have some concerns about that. But the black Berkey filters are excellent. Do not be afraid to use them. I have some waiting for me on backup if I ever need them. Okay, but you take that tap water that's got it that's sat outside and had a little hydrogen peroxide in it. And you just let it drained down there. And then when it comes out here, you take that water and you put it in a tabletop distiller and what that does is it cleans off all the final inorganic minerals that are in there, the minerals that your body can't use anything like inorganic calcium, it cleans all that stuff out and what you're left with is pure water. That is now impressionable. That means that this water that comes out after stage two, you can literally pray over and it'll start to form crystals when you freeze it. All right, that's what's so cool about this because water is designed to be in or I shouldn't say water is an adaptive medium, it will adapt to whatever it is that's why it's such a good carrier fluid on why it's so preferred. But now you have this totally purified and impressionable water and then what I do is I take that distilled water of course I cook with the distilled water teas and soups and things like that. I have a little meter that I put in after each batch to confirm that it's completely clean and it's completely clean every single time and then we take that clean water that purified water and then we can bless it. We can sing it songs which I do in the mornings most mornings was my water is pouring cold water I love you so much. Thank you for watching I'm gonna do for my body. We have some fun with it and everything as I pour it through this device now this is my favorite device I've ever purchased in all of natural medicine and and I purchased some really fun stuff, but this one takes the cake. This is called Aqua Energizer it's sold by pattern Durkin of the wellness enterprise and it is confirmed by the Massara Emoto Institute to be the most effective structuring device known in the world today. When it does when you pour the water through it is it helps water organize itself into a pattern that is very a for lack of a better description is just very loving to the human body. It's like the perfect way to have water. What's so interesting, Dr. Paul, when I take water over here from the distiller and I put it in ice cubes right and everything What happens and what happens is they're clear, they're clear as glass. But you won't see that structuring that I showed you earlier. When I run it through the Aqua Energizer and then freeze it, that's where I get that intense structuring. That's where I get that proof of Oh, my goodness, that water is now able to be impression. And in this case impression with something that's really healthy for my body. So what we do with all this is, let me skip through here I want to show just a couple more pictures is that water starts to do different things once you've taken it through the purification process. So when we've gone through and finished the distilling stage to distilling, we'll take the water and just sit the distilled water in the refrigerator. And I've put temperature gauges in there and everything. So at 37 degrees, this is what starts happening to water. Now water is supposed to freeze at 32 degrees. But at 37 degrees, it starts freezing in my refrigerator, because it is clean, it's purified. And so we get all these really cool pictures of water every time. And that's me pouring it through the structuring device. So this is just distilled water right here. It's not structured until it goes through the device. But you see all this intense stuff that's happening. And what gets really cool is I know it's time for me to change my filters and clean my filters on those units. When it stops forming water at 37 degrees, it's still technically clean, but it's an that's an it's usually takes me it's usually about a month. So I have to clean my filters, and change my filter in the distiller once a month. And that that's the cost for you. So you can set this whole thing up, right, you can set this whole thing up in with edit for about $500, you wouldn't be able to get the Aqua Energizer, that's gonna be the most expensive thing. And to me, it's worth it, it's worth it, I will not leave it as is I have given that as a gift to a lot of people because I love them. And I'm like, for me, I won't even let it leave the house now, like it stays in a very sacred place in the kitchen where I can see it every morning, because my favorite thing to do is to wake up and go and pour myself a glass of distilled water and structure it. And what's so interesting. Dr. Paul, when you pour that distilled water through the structure, for whatever reason, it becomes sweet. And it's like the weirdest thing in the world, but the coolest thing in the world at the same time, and it's the most delicious water you will ever have in your life. And it started out as polluted tap water. Well, there's your solution. Flint, Michigan, we got it. Wow. So how long does each of those steps take? Set? aside? How long do you leave it there? Maybe, maybe sit it outside for an hour or two. It's no big deal. And then it takes as long as it takes to filter down which for most people, if your filters are clean, the gravity filter will take maybe about an hour, but it's not like you have to do any work. You just pour it and then it collects. And then it is still there. How long does that take the distiller, you something you do overnight, so you get the distiller set up and then you turn it on while you're sleeping because it is going to have a little fan to cool it and stuff like that. So there's a little noise associated with that much. But yeah, you just turn it on while you sleep and you wake up like I woke up this morning had a big old gallon sitting there and we have we always have about two or three sometimes four gallons sitting on hand structuring How long does that take? seconds? He takes you pouring? Are you born drink? You want to you want me to go grab an ice cube right now. Let me show you let me show you some. Okay. I mean, it's like a great thing. You're not going to be able to see the structuring too great, unless I hold it up to the light. So I'm gonna try to get it up to a light. There you go. You can see a little bit. You see those lines up there is Yeah, sure. Looks clear and see through Yeah, it's clear. That's a structured Ice Cube. That's some good wire. Gotcha. All right. So Dr. H, I think you've convinced me I'm gonna go start fixing my water because I'm not happy with just my What do you call it the little picture and those into for everybody that's doing a it's like this. Don't feel bad for what you've done previously, because I used to just teach that all you needed to do was one gravity filtration and you were fine. It really is important to go from whatever filter you're using to a distiller that's the really the key step when I added that in that changed everything. And there's just unfortunately so much pollution in our waters now that requires at least two two cleaning sessions. Yeah. So maybe we can pivot because I know that you're the kind of researcher that man if there's information to be found, you find it. We are we've lived through three years of what is unimaginable that with the COVID Nonsense, but what you've been finding, because I follow some of your Work is a whole next level. And I don't want folks to think that I'm endorsing anything that's being said here. But I just want to give Dr. Ely a chance to maybe enlighten you a little bit to why this is another way of doing the water at the level you're doing it because some of the things that are causing ill health are showing up in our water they're showing up in our food. Of course, we're very aware of the dangers of the so called vaccines that are not exactly vaccines. I think for me, Dr. Pol, it comes down to how are they getting this kind of stuff into our bodies. You know what I mean? Like, when we're talking about real healing, we're talking about where's the root, if I can be effective at preventing or severely limiting my exposure to things that we know are going to be problematic. And we're designed, unfortunately, in many cases to be problematic, that I give myself and my family, my loved ones a fantastic chance at being able to navigate this really dark period that we're in right now we are in a dark period, I don't think anybody would debate that. So it beckons the call of what are the delivery systems, right? Bears are one of the delivery systems and fortunately, I think we can all attest to this is the sky. We've seen much more Chem trails coming on, I would encourage everybody to go and track down the work of Nikki Florio at be heroic be e heroic.com. Because she's done, in my opinion, one of the best exempt research dives on what's in those Chem trails that are up there. What we've learned is that a little bit of boron, and a little bit of humic acid, can help detox whatever you are breathing in unknowingly from those. And we're learning a little bit more about that. It's where my research is going now. So you can't stop everything, but you can purify your body and you can minimize your exposure. When it comes to water, we learn that water is a primary delivery system of a lot of the pollution and things of that nature, whether it's intentional, whether it's accidental, whether it's you know, just incompetence. That's for other people to debate, I know that it's present. And I want to make sure that people know how to purify that water, so they don't expose themselves to it. And that's what we just showed, it's very similar in thought to how we look at organic foods. And and making sure that why are we not? Why are we choosing organic even instead of the conventional foods, because we don't want the exposures especially to the glyphosate, which we know is been implicated definitively as in cancer acceleration and in cancer development in the human body, especially lymphatic cancers. So it's about saying, I'm going to I'm going to minimize my exposure to these things. That's why I make the choices that I make. And one of the byproducts of that of the choices we make. Yeah, it's a little inconvenient, for sure, right? But that's okay. Because the payoff is immense health and immense happiness that comes along with that health. And it makes it easy to do that work. And then you start getting these other cool things that come up that the food's tastes better, and you feel a little bit better. And it's why because I've severely limited if not eliminated, my exposure to a lot of the pollution just by understanding what the delivery systems for these things are. Our research, actually Dr. Pol has been going into the EMF frequencies and even light waves and frequencies. So one of the things I do like to get across to audiences, is the importance of turning off blue light on your phones and turning off blue light on your computer screens and your TV screens and things of this nature. You end up getting an EMF meter. I know you were thinking about that. Did I got it right here. Okay, I gotta, we've done a lot, right. Okay, so yeah, we got this one of my favorite ones right now, I think it's really simple. is called trifield. Okay. All right. It's a trifield meter. It does mag magnetic electric, and it does EMF. So right now, for example, if you can see right there, yeah, it has 0.032. And it's fluctuating. Yeah, I'm having very little EMFs in here have a cell phone nearby. You can hold near that. Yeah, let's see if this cell will do anything. I don't think it will. It would do something if we moved it over. Let me see if this is going to do anything. Yeah, it went up a little bit. goes up. It's still within limits. It's going up. It's going up 2.291 with the cell phone. Let's backtrack a little bit closer to the computer and bring it closer to the Wi Fi card and see if I can I'm going to angle it down at it. Yeah, it goes up 2.2 It's not very high here. But let me go and do a quick reading on my on my actual router. Okay, give me one second. I'm gonna go do one you're gonna have to take my word for but let me go get the exact number. Hold on. Okay. Hi. mark on this one Dr. Paul at the router was 10.6. Okay, the difference now that doesn't mean much to people until you understand this with this particular meter. Anything over 0.2 is considered unhealthy to a human body. So at 10.6, if I were to stand by my router all day, we have a problem, we're going to it's going to show up as what 5g does, on the lowest level that we know of is 5g punches little holes in our cells, it creates what are called Nano perforations in the so little small holes in that makes the cells more susceptible to infection, especially with smaller things and infection by smaller micron size pollution. So that's the big thing. So people if they go to my Twitter, I have whole videos up on Twitter, I have a whole thread of me driving around cities and showing I saw you do that. Right? Isn't that crazy? Like, I didn't know I was going to be doing anything like that, that's I look at myself, sometimes I do. And that's a little bit what their technology and their capability of what they know with frequencies and with light waves is so far beyond what I thought where I thought they were or where we could be with it just a couple of years ago. And so I had to step back and go, You know what, I'm under estimating these people. And I better stop doing that right now. So what we're doing is exploring how to use things like shung guide, little shung guide stones, but which we have tested shung guide actually does block electric frequencies pretty good. We're still doing some work on testing out we've tested a bunch of products that claim to be able to what are called said to be we remediate or minimize EMFs. So far, they haven't nIESR I'm not going to name them. I don't want to call anybody out. But what I'd say to people is, there are habits that do a much better job than the products do. And the habits are very simple. Make sure if you have a microwave that you unplug it and never use it. Microwaves in the kitchen are constantly emitting EMFs. And it's usually right at people's heads because most most of them are right like right above the stove and stuff like that. So we unplugged ours right away, I did a video on that showing how the difference when they're plugged in and when they're not when you're unplugged find when with the routers and TVs and stuff like that really simple. haven't plugged into a surge protector, a little five $6 surge protector and every night turn them off, and the EMF drop right there. And then in your bedroom, make sure that your bed is at least six inches away from a wall where your headboard is, and have a whole bunch of plants around because guess what plants do? Plants are the best remediators that we found so far of EMF frequencies. That's why it's really hard. Yeah, that's why when you're in Lansing, carbon dioxide and all that, but EMF two, they reimburse you remediate. They don't live in the forest. That's why it's so hard to get a signal when you're in the forest, right? Because they're doing their job because their root structure also draws that EMF and pulls it through the tree and puts it into the ground. And then it gets fascinating. After age. So all of this stuff to me used to be Whoops, oh my gosh, he's gone off the deep end, you know, and but the thing is, our our population is struggling with health challenges like never before. Yep. And so I think it's a cumulative assault on are at right at like you do cellular energy, right, energetic health is right down to mitochondrial energy and ATP and all that good stuff. And I think we've just tipped too many people over the edge, right. And so what you when you talk about these simple measures that people can do in at home? Yeah, it's not woowoo anymore, this becomes important. No, it's not conspiracy theory anymore. It's conspiracy fact, the intent we can all debate on. And we're not going to know until we get some investigations going, what the real intent is. But we don't need to speculate on that. We can just say, Hey, this is what's going on. And this is what we can do about it. Right? You have to stop being a patient, you have to start being a student, you can do that at a school like the Energetic Health Institute, where you have you can develop skills that are going to serve you for a lifetime number one, and to help you graduate. My promise to everybody is that you graduate healthier than when you started. That's the Hallmark to me of a good health education. So we make sure and we hit that mark every single time. I think when we're looking at this, there are there's chemical pollution there is going to definitely be frequency pollution, light pollution, that's why they're changing the lights out from incandescent bulbs to LEDs to blue light emitting LEDs. If your audience wants to go, you can just do a simple internet search on blue light and and its impact on depression and a lot of mental illness and sleep issues and things like that. If you don't have to get into what might be considered Woo, which is some of the stuff that I talk about that we back up with the science, the peer reviewed science, but just on that alone, that's a reason to turn off your turn on your blue light filters on your phone, and allow your body to not I can tell you I when I read that DARPA paper that DARPA study on blue light, and how blue light can activate latent things that had been put into the body. I was so blown away, that I immediately that exact while I was reading the article, while I was reading, the peer reviewed article actually turned off my blue light. In the first day, it was a weird kind of adjustment. But what was weird was that for the first time, Dr. Pol, my eyes and my brain, I could feel relaxing, I didn't realize how tense, they were just getting hit with this blue light. And by day two, I was like, I'm never going back, I'm never going to allow blue light to be on again. So like my screen to some people looks a little red. And I'm like, No, that's actually the way it's supposed to look. It's that blue light that's actually burning through your retina, and creating tension in your brain and things like that. And that's why people are having a hard time sleeping and getting agitated. And all this stuff. DARPA knows this. DARPA has been studying this for a while. So you there are so many topics we didn't even touch on that we could have been might have. But we're gonna leave those for another day. Where can people go because what I know about you is you never stop researching even the water because I've been in your courses. You are researching this back months ago and it progresses Where do people go to get your latest? You go to energetic health institute.org And that's really the hub for everything. If you want to listen to the radio shows, interviews, you want to get plugged in with the school. That's really where you go energetic health institute.org And I like you said, and I really appreciate this. It's just one big family. When if you feel like you've lost your family, if you've been ostracized from your family, you feel like an oddball out there. You feel like a black sheep you feel like a square peg in a round hole. We love you. Come on over and hang out with a whole bunch of other oddballs and crazies and weirdos and things like that, that believe in love and believe in doing things the right way. And I think that's the hallmark of all of us. Just integrity and love through everything that we do at the Energetic Health Institute. That's beautiful. I was going to ask you for your final thoughts, but I think you just did it. I'm gonna bring on the love master herself Didi Hoover, she's gonna usually get a little personal or else just play devil's advocate with you. We'll see what today. Okay, let's do it. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 37:41 Hi, Dr. H. Thank you for joining me and being willing to let me I'm gonna do both. It's either sometimes I get really personal other times I play devil's advocate, but you're getting both today my friend a. Let's start with devil's advocate. I'm going to my question is, I'm gonna talk about ask a couple questions based on what you said about distilled water. There have been a lot of reports more in the past I'm hearing more and more about distilled water being good. But I for years drink distilled water and was told by doctors and different people that could be why it was good wasn't getting enough nutrients. And that yes, it might help to drink distilled water to cleanse yourself or when doing cleansing for especially like kidneys or liver but that on a regular basis. We shouldn't drink distilled water and children shouldn't just drink distilled water. Can you talk about that a little bit? Sure. Dr. Paul 38:36 Up until the 1960s. The actual recommendation by the American Medical Association was to drink distilled water that it was the safest impure us to drink. They changed that for reasons we don't know. But certainly it wasn't based on any nutritional science. When we talk about mineral delivery, we're talking about your foods that you eat and what you drink. That's where you're gonna get your minerals. Okay. And then after that, of course, in this day and age, probably some supplementation is necessary just because of the assaults we're all under every day. But water is not water is a carry medium. It's not here to deliver minerals, but it can if somebody was really concerned about it. One of the things they could do is after they've purified the water, remineralize the water, and we do have some folks that do doing that with some fulvic minerals and things like that. I don't do it. But I also understand people who say they would like to do that for their own peace of mind. I think it's fine to remineralize it after you've purified it. But the key is making sure you purify it first. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 39:36 I prefer distilled water just because I react to so many things and I think that's because of sensitivity to certain minerals. So a little bit more on on the devil role here. Okay, so there's a mom sitting out there going, oh my god, Dr. H, that's just great. But who has time to do that? I can't leave my water out for an hour and there's no way I can do all the things you're doing. I have five children. I work full time. I think you're crazy. Okay, I added that last part I saw lashes Dr. Paul 40:04 right about that last part DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:07 with somebody who's looking at this going, I can't do that. But I want what's best for my children. They sell distilled water in the store? Yes in plastic. So what do you say to somebody who really doesn't have the time or the money to invest? I hear everything you're saying. And we do a lot for our water. And we don't drink it just out of the picture. Like, we actually have a nice purifier on water. But what do you what can someone else do that just out there goes on a trip and they want to steal water. Dr. Paul 40:38 I think there's a couple thoughts going to mind. Number one is if you don't make time to be healthy, then you're making time to be sick in this day and age. And it's just a sad reality. It's not a it's not a fault. And I'm not trying to guilt anybody into it, you got to make the decisions that are right for you, I believe in total freedom. So it's all good. But for me, I don't recommend anything that I won't do myself that's got us past that standard. First, even if it's a little inconvenient, I still got to this isn't inconvenient at all. This is about a $500 setup cost when you're talking about a gravity filter and a distillation unit. Most people already have one or one or the other of those. So you're talking about a less cost there. And then what you're talking about is a monthly maintenance costs and just a couple of dollars. So from a financial standpoint, you end up saving a tremendous amount of money over time easily because of all the money we do spend on water, which is ridiculous. Water is more expensive than gasoline. And most people don't realize that. So I think it's a lot of it is unlearning what we have to learn. And if you're a mom of five kids, that means some of those kids are old enough to help you with this process. And you make it a part of that learning experience for that. And I've seen so many moms do such a great job of involving their children in the learning process. So that's all the kids really know, like, I've always been a big proponent of, hey, you're coming with me to the store to shop, you're coming with me to the farmers market to talk to them and ask the questions. And now my son is 18. And he goes and does all the shopping. And he takes care of everything because he's got that skill set knows what to do. So what I'd say to moms is one big hug. Being a mom is no easy feat. That's why y'all get the best gifts on Mother's Day than better than dads and stuff on Father's Day. I'm about and there's a lot to teach and a lot to learn. But I would say to you that you the people you love are worth that little bit of extra effort, that little bit of investment at the beginning, and making sure that that you are putting clean, purified if not even only water into your family's body every day. Okay, DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 42:44 and so do you agree then, though, on that note that if all they're doing is purifying their water or doing small steps, that's better than nothing? Because I think someone needs to hear that I think some people aren't going to be able to do everything you're saying. Sure. So they need to know what's the bare minimum that they can do to still at least provide the best for their children. Dr. Paul 43:04 Sure, the Aqua Energizer is an expensive piece comparatively, it actually costs about as much as the other the first two stages to set up. So if that if people can't afford that, I tell them and encourage them to save up for it, save up for it and make it a gift to yourself at some point in the future. But don't stress yourself out. Because once you've purified the water, it's impressionable. Once it's distilled, and that stage two, and now you can actually pray over it and give thanks. And it's going to form structure. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 43:31 Gotcha. Okay, next devils at Chauvet advocate. So when you talk about Bluetooth, I'm having fun here, when you talk about blue light. Have a blue light, or have a friend that has a blue light, and one of our roommates because of depression, and that the blue lights supposed to enhance? So now you're telling me blue lights bad? Dr. Paul 43:52 Yeah, I'm telling you blue lights bad God. I'm telling you that not okay. It's not okay. We have found DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 44:00 tell people this all the time. So what do you recommend for somebody who has depression because that's what I coach people on is depression. And I've always thought that it doesn't make me feel bad having the blue light around the house. Dr. Paul 44:10 And that's great for some people, if that's fine for you. Again, I'm not here to tell anybody what to do with their life. I'm here to share information that I've learned, right? When I read a study from DARPA, and a key person in this whole topic is a meat show already. We actually stumbled on this because we were researching anti CRISPR proteins. All right, and this is where the research took us. We were studying ancient bacteria called archaea and their ability to thwart all this CRISPR nonsense that's going on right now. And it brought us unexpectedly to that paper. So when I'm reading a paper like that, what comes up for me? First and foremost is I take them seriously. When when it's when DARPA is involved when the Department of Defense is involved with the amount of money they have and the amount that they brag openly about what they're able to do when you go read their peer review. Your literature, I take them seriously. They specifically talked about blue light, being able to activate latent plasmids. In the human body. We know plasmid delivery has occurred through the dengue shots. We know that Kevin mckernon has excellent work has shown that plasmids are far more rapid in those shots than they should be at all. And when our research did when once we got a handle on Kevin McKinnon's research is we I'm a historian, I wanted to go and know how far is this go back, it goes back to 1968. So we found some research by Dr. Walter doerfler, who was warning the world in 2021, about the shots saying, hey, you need to be really concerned about this. And so I went and looked through his resume. He's been he was in maybe the father of the adenoviral vector platform, warning the world about it. We don't even know if he's alive anymore. I reached out to him. EA, can it? Conveniently he lived in Nuremberg, Germany, if you can believe that. All right, probably hiding. So he might be hiding. Hopefully, he's hiding. But what it tells us is that they're far more capable of doing things than we can appreciate. And sadly, if it's shown up in a science fiction movie, they might have the capability of doing it. And that's how bad things are right now. So I take them serious. And I say, okay, what are you telling me to do? You're telling me that you're going to put blue lights up and all the street lights now, okay, that there's got to be a reason for that, telling me that there's blue light on my phone, there's blue light on my computer and everything, and it doesn't make me feel better. And it's one of the reasons why I had to start wearing these kinds of glasses because it was hurting my eyes with all the time on it. So what we've seen is that red light is a wavelength seems to be more therapeutic than blue light. It activates cytochrome c and mitochondria to help produce energy production. When you have somebody that is depressed, there are things that we have to get into in terms of their lifestyle, what's going on, what foods are you eating? Are you meditating or praying every day? Are you moving your body and getting good? endorphin release? Are you getting a hug? Are you getting touched? Are you eating organic foods, there's really so many things if you're right handed. To me, if you're dependent upon blue light to deal with depression, what you're really saying is that you've neglected other foundational things that would help turn that tide a lot better and a lot easier, right. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 47:20 And I don't know that it's a dependence on it. I think it's just that so many people, and especially with depression feel like being in the dark is better, and they don't want light. And I think that was terrible. So I did, but I wanted to definitely bring it up because that is something that I have always thought and I feel better. But then again, I'm always happy anyway. So I guess Yeah. Dr. Paul 47:42 Now let me let me just say one more thing. As somebody who has dealt with and deals with depression every year seasonal affective disorder. I deal with that every year. I will tell you firsthand, for me, it's about getting out in the sun. It's about getting out in the sunlight, moving my body and get in touch those things. Turn it around for me right away. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 48:00 But you don't live in Portland anymore. Dr. Paul 48:01 Amen to that. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 48:04 Oh, okay, so now we're gonna get personal. Are you ready? Dr. Paul 48:07 Yeah, I'm ready. Okay. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 48:08 So I heard you speak. My first introduction to you was a few years ago when we were at the Capitol, and you were up there. And it was like my first time at an event like that, and you were up there, and you were praying and preaching and I looked up and went, Oh, my gosh, I was with Dr. Paul at this event. And I'm in love. I love that man. I wonder if he's single. I love that man. He is amazing. Your spirit, your energy, and then you came into our office. And like, every time Dr. Paul would want to talk to you or interview you. I'm like, I want to see him. I want to be there. I just need to be in this room with this man. Because your energy is so shifts and amazing and powerful. Thank you. So first of all, everyone wants to know, Are you single? Dr. Paul 48:54 I am single. Yes. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 48:57 Okay, everybody can email me and I will let you know. I'll screen all the women that are gonna want to be part. Sure. Did you wait too long? I'm not single anymore. Dang, it. Dr. Paul 49:10 is just not right. A heck of a DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 49:11 lot younger than me. The hospital a part of the problem too. Anyway. You said you have a son that's 18 years old. Yeah. And so on. On the personal note. What's the best part of your life right now with your child? What do you enjoy most family Dr. Paul 49:28 time? First, one of the things I had to come into contact with and it was the lie. I was telling myself. I was telling myself that I was that I was family first because if there was an emergency, I would stop everything and I would immediately rush to wherever the problem was. But that's not what makes you family. First. What makes you family first is when you put family on your schedule first. And that took me really until this year to learn so what I did is I've wiped my schedule clean and I put family on in the morning family on in the evening and my work Old God is a member of my family. So that involves the Almighty as well. And what we do is we have definitive times, I actually have alarms on my phone now that go off when it's family time, and whatever I'm doing it stops. And if there is an interview or something that did get scheduled, or can only be scheduling that time, I don't schedule it until I get permission from my family, I say is it okay? And I think when you do that, you create a really great harmony. And what we've been noticing, since we've been doing that is now we have dinner almost every night together. And we have these great conversations about what's going on in the world, and what's going on in his world and what's going on in my world. And we laugh together and we hug we cook meals together. And it's just, it's a much better vibe. And I encourage everybody to explore it. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 50:49 I love that and I live my life felt so connected to you from the start is I live my life God guided and love forward. So I saw that in you in the very beginning. And then I had to teach Dr. Pol, I started watching over the last couple of years, watching you be on fire and swearing and throwing out this intense energy. And I'm like, I love it personally. But what do you think, brought that change on for you? Because I when I first met you, I saw this super calm energy about you all the time and being around you. And then it seemed like something changed for a while. And now I see it back. So do you mind speaking to that? Because you just share some things? What do you think, sure. to you that change that? Dr. Paul 51:34 What we really are is we're beings of light. But sometimes we're human too, right? And when I'm at my best I'm meditating every morning, and my work schedule is manageable, even though it's demanding. And when there's too much going on, I have a tendency to start pushing back because like most people, you just get a little irritated. Yep. What I found is for me, I do love to cuss. So that's a pardon me, right? I find people do cuss and I don't swear. And there's a difference. And I like Oh, can you explain that? Sure. I do not blaspheme. And I bristle it when people blaspheme and take Sacred Names and use them in a with negative intention. But when it's plenty fine to say dammit, in my world, but I do not put God in front of that, or you will see and hear from me and do not invoke Jesus's name in a negative way either and or any sacred, any of our sacred guides that have been in taught about love. Don't do that around me. And I don't let people do that around me. I check them gently. But I usually teach them why not to do that. Because that's swearing. Cursing is when you're just letting letting an expletive fly and it's just express out and those are the people that I found to be actually to be the most truthful in the world once that though, I like him a lot. But for me, I have many sides of me and I'm going to tell you DD I get angry every day I wake up in a certain level of low rage with what's going on. And I think it's okay. And I've had a lot of conversations with God about this. God is cool with what I'm doing and and I've, I'm very clear that if God is not cool, he will let me know about it. And I will change that behavior instantly. That's my promise to God. But I have to be me. And there are some times like I just went on a huge rant. Not too long ago on my radio show about I'm done with pro vaccine people I'm done. I'm done Qaeda, I'm done coddling their feelings of done with their insults to people in the gaslighting to moms who have lost their babies and things like that. I'm done. And I think what we I remember, my grandma said something. My grandma says when I was really young, she said a hard head makes for a soft ass. All right. And so I grew up in the era of getting switches and getting popped and stuff like that. And it was okay. It taught you something it taught you to be mindful about what you were going to say and what you were going to do that there could be a consequence for it. So I'm not one of those people that thinks it's a bad thing to spank a kid. You know what I mean? I don't think you should beat a kid. But I don't mind somebody flicking a kid on a year or something like that to get a kid's attention. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 54:21 That's a dad thing. Dr. Paul 54:23 That is a dad thing. Like, you ain't gonna do it. It's okay. And I get that I get that side of it too. But what I'm doing is I'm teaching and so for me when I'm expressing myself. It's it's actually really simple. This is how I feel this is what is what you get. Right? And I'm not here to be liked in every moment. I'm not going to change my behavior and how I feel especially if I'm well intended and working in God's divine light to cater to somebody's view of who I am or what they need you to be. If you need me to be something and I'm not being that, that I would encourage you to You're looking to go find somebody else, go find somebody else, because I'm not that dude. I'm the dude that's going to tell you the truth. And my truth is sometimes when I'm pissed, and I'm pissed, because I've know people I know Ernest Ramirez, I talked to Ernest Ramirez, often, I know what he goes through on a daily basis as a single dad who lost his only child, because he was supposed to be able to trust the government and these corporations. If you can't get angry about something like that, then I'm going to look at you and call you a coward. Because there are moments and there are times to be angry. And there are times to evoke God's God's direction on this in, which is that this cannot stand and will not stand for me, I'm just going to do, I'm going to just be me. And when, wherever, for better or for worse, that's when it's going to be. And believe me, I've lived my whole life with a whole bunch of people that don't like me, so just get in line. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 55:54 So you and I have a lot in common on that area. Yep. And I love you because of who you are and how you are. And you said, a couple of things that I want to point out to people is one I cuss. I did not know the difference between cussing and swearing, I've never used God's name in vain or any of that, to me, that's to me. It's just not acceptable period. And I don't allow it in my world. And I would certainly never do it. But I am I flip people off all the time. And people have been upset with me for that. But can I say that. But just wrap things up. And being new everything you've said, it's so powerful, and it's so important. And one thing that will like when we talked about maybe waking up anger, which I didn't know that you had any issues with depression, I always see this upbeat, powerful, positive person, and I've lived with people who've had depression for years. And being someone who's not necessarily depressed, we all have our bad days. But dealing with it sometimes is hard. And I appreciate that you're honest and open about it. Because I think other people need to know that there's like you said, there's the human piece to it. Just like our kids first forever program. There's physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. And as long as that spiritual stays intact, and powerful and loving, no matter how angry you get, and God knows that I've been on fire when it comes to certain things, and I am a mom that's gonna stand up. Yeah, like you wouldn't leave. Being angry or frustrated is different, in my opinion, than being deceitful or mean, or needing to revenge or pushing how you feel and being angry to somebody else. I think we can do all those human things and still leave, lead with love. And live, like you said, with God being a part of our lives every Dr. Paul 57:40 day. Amen. I 100%, I'm with you. I'm going to tell you right now, that the there is but one judge, when I am not that judge. I'm not here to judge anyone. But I am here to do his work. And the permission that I've been given directly has been that I can do his work in my way. And so there's really one question that I and this way I teach my students to because that I get it when it's uncomfortable. I have a really great knack for making people uncomfortable sometimes, and I get that, but it's simple this. The question I asked myself is, am I Ill intended. Right? Right, because it comes down to intention. Now you may not like the delivery of what's going on. But you can you say that I was ill intended in what I was doing, because if I'm ill intended, now I'm violating my promise to God. That's my line right there. So I can do a whole bunch of stuff. Believe me, I get a pretty good carte blanche for the big fella upstairs to get this work done. But what I cannot do is crossed the line into being ill intended. And that's my personal check on myself. And there have been a couple of times over the last four years only a couple maybe two or three where I have fallen into maybe I'm being ill intended if there's some doubt there. And I've had to step back. And I've actually had to go and apologize I had a really sweetheart write me from Australia, she wrote me like this huge letter was like 30 pages long or something like that, about how much she loves me and loves what I'm doing. And just begging me to stop. Stop swearing. And I was at and I had to, and I had to explain to her the difference and like, I don't swear I cuss and there's a difference. But all this stuff. And I was like I don't know if that worked for I hope it did. But I just thought it was so sweet that somebody cared enough to write me a letter to say that. And my thing is if the people who are in my audience, my job is to earn your trust every single day and to earn your trust a new every single day. And if I'm not doing that, and I'm falling on it, I do give people in my audience the permission to call me out on it and I have to go into meditation and then check in and see is that true what they're saying? So when people tell me stuff, I do listen, and I do go and meditate on it. It may not change my behavior if my ultimate analysis has been that I'm still well intended in what I'm doing DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 59:59 and that's Powerful normally I just like Dr. Paul, wrap it up with what? What would you like to say? What message would you like to leave with everyone, but I think if you can just give one more minute on what you just said, and that is trust, we can't be everything for everyone. And so what would you just say to everybody out there about how people can trust themselves, because if they don't trust themselves, it's hard to trust someone else. Dr. Paul 1:00:25 The trust itself comes from first thought, the first thought is the heart, bringing in energy, divine energy. And that's where your first feeling comes from. And what happens for a lot of people is they don't check in with that immediately and immediately start rationalizing in their mind, that feeling instead of trusting it implicitly, when you're clean when you when you're good with God, when you're good in your meditation, your prayer, you go with family, that first thought is your spiritual guidance on what you need to do. And it's important for you to honor that, even if it is uncomfortable. For me, I honor my first thought implicitly, I never go against it. And sometimes that is I need to go up and say something to someone really harsh and shake them. And believe me, I've been and I'll be in public and somebody seeing somebody doing something stupid. I'm the dude that's gonna walk up there and say something. And I know that I'm in that moment, because God needed me to be in that moment, because he knew I was going to say something. So you know, I don't get in the way of that. But one thing I don't do is I don't second guess, myself. And that's where that's this whole sea of trust is our greatest commodity. And it starts with us trusting ourselves and where is our where are we really, we are our first thought, but only when we're clean because that first thought can be skewed by pollution in the system. And that's why Dr. Paul and I and everybody, we talked so much and teach so much about the importance of being clean so that the energy that does come in through you and through your heart is very clear and easy to decipher and understand. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 1:02:00 Thank you. I have renewed my crush on you. You're an amazing man. And I'm grateful for everything you do and for the work that you put out there. And if you ever need to be slapped up the head, call me. I'll be the one to do that. I'm gonna come to Phoenix in February and I'm gonna hunt you down and makes you spend time with me. Thanks for joining us, Dr. H. Dr. Paul 1:02:22 When you come make sure and hit me up. I'm going to be I'm going to be in Texas for about a week in February. So hopefully you come early in February. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 1:02:30 Okay, well, I'll make you I'll make sure you plan your whole schedule around me. Okay, Dr. Paul 1:02:34 there we go. All right, we can do that. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 1:02:38 Thanks for joining us. Hey, everybody, it's me, Diddy coming to you from my soul. day I'm gonna talk about love. What am I gonna talk about love? Well, because I interviewed Dr. Ely. And I had a massive crush on this man. Still do. And you're thinking that very soulful or spiritual? Yes. Because what made me so attracted to him and so many people in this movement is the energy, the love, the passion, all those things, doing the best for everybody. Medically, medical freedom, all these things. That passion just lights up my fire. Lights on my soul fires up my soul. I don't even know which all I know is that in my soul. Love is. It's so powerful. And being able to connect with people like Dr. Paul and Dr. H and so many more. Just really makes me realize how important soulful love is. Thanks for watching. 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Dr. Paul, welcome to with the web science revealed. My guest today is Kelly Sutton. She's been a huge supporter of mine when I was going through everything I was going through, and she's just been going through the same thing. Now she was trained 55 years ago, one of only 10 women in her class. She's had the same board issues I had with no prior board complaints, hospital complaints, malpractice judgments. The Medical Board of California came after her and took her license, and then other boards from other states followed suit with no complaints whatsoever. Dr. Sutton is fighting not just to save her career, but to save the future of medicine itself. Don't miss the powerful ending where Didi talks to her about her life, the personal story of her journey, and then her from the soul. Enjoy the show. Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. I wanted to talk to you today about ego and fear. And the antidote to that, which is love and soulful living. I lived in ego a lot towards the end of my career, and I didn't even know it. So it was just this. I'm in charge. Everything's about me and, and I went there and I lived there and I stayed there. And it's funny, not funny at all, actually, how those two things often go together. Have you ever been fearful? Might you be a little in ego thinking that it all depends on you. The opposite is such a beautiful place to be when you let go. It's not all about me. It's not for me to fix. It's for me to love. It's for me to be honest. It's for me to do what I can to be loving and soulful with everybody I interact with. I am so blessed by those of you watching who send love I feel it, who sends support, and the guests I have the privilege and honor to work with so many of them are so deeply soulful and loving. That's what I get to be surrounded with. And I would encourage you to do the same thing. Live with love, lead with love and surround yourself with loving soulful people. It will nurture your soul, it will bring you joy and peace and happiness and serenity. And take away what everything that we were trying to avoid ego and fear. So I wish for you a very wonderful 2024 And that you fill your world with loving soulful people, and living a life filled with purpose and love. Welcome Dr. Kelly Sutton to with the wind science revealed it is such a pleasure to have you on the show. Dr. Kelly Sutton 2:54 Oh, I've always looked forward to hearing from you and about you. Because I think from the very beginning, you were doing things with a level of courage and acknowledgement of the truth that was hard for doctors to do. And but you did it anyhow. You did the research on Vax versus unvaccinated even though the big people that should have been doing it, CDC wouldn't. So I just have to thank you for that. And you've been challenged, chased, and you've continued to spread the truth. And I hope you're feeling freer than you were at a certain point when you were in the midst of that, being chased down by the Medical Board of Oregon. Dr. Paul 3:39 Oh, so much for your and your time will come to folks, you're gonna listen to one of my true heroes. Dr. Kelly Sutton is also going through a lot of the same things I've been through. We're both going to tell you right here and now everything we talk about is for educational purposes only. We're not diagnosing or treating. So just to have that stated, you actually trained I think more than 10 years before I did I was reading that you've been trained 55 years ago. Yes. Yeah. Wow. You don't look like it could be anywhere near that old. Dr. Kelly Sutton 4:13 I'm there. I'm there. Dr. Paul 4:16 God bless you for taking on this challenge. This fight that we have on our hands that really we didn't ask for. They brought it to us. We trained back when there was a real physical exam and basic science physiology. Patients were an exciting challenge, write and write a guideline it was creative. You write that it was such a creative and satisfying experience. Dr. Kelly Sutton 4:38 Yes. Dr. Paul 4:39 You wrote that I want to hear a Martin Luther King figure for the profession of medicine. Voicing I have a dream about the future of healing to characterize where we go next for the next five decades. Dr. Kelly Sutton 4:52 Dr. Sutton give us your I Have a Dream message my dream for the future of medicine. Thank You and I want to hear yours too. And a lot of people, because I think that's the point we're at is recreating what has not worked, because it was hijacked. The dream I have is it, we can have the real art of medicine with the observation, the use of skills like palpation, percussion, using the stethoscope, the otoscope, everything, instead of being machine focused, right? In the old days, the patient and the doctor sat across from one another. And then the patient was examined by the doctor hands on. And the writing of notes, or the ordering of lab tests, looking at the images was secondary. But now it's like the patient is a sidebar. And the real question is, how do I document this? And the thing I noticed in the notes today is the chief complaint as the only thing that's still alive. I would like to see, when the chief complaint is stated that we then also go further in our history and say, what makes it better? What makes it worse? What have you tried? Did it help? How long did it help and get the full picture from the patient, which is not reflected in today's electronic health records. And that we could have a real physical exam, because right now, I think a lot of doctors are documenting physical exams, with only putting the stethoscope over the shirt or blouse, and calling that the examination of the heart and lungs. So I think those skills before they get lost, I would love to see those recaptured in medicine or in whatever profession is going to carry true healing. I think healing is built into human nature of some humans, that it's just an automatic instinct to reach out to try to help and to use analysis of the situation. And of treatment options are what's available. To help the person in need. I would like to see that nurtured again, like it once was in medicine, where it really called to a person's idealism. And drew together, people who wanted to study science could handle reading the science, and could learn the arts that I just described, deep skills and physical exam and history taking, and could use creativity because they were trained. We were trained in physiology. We didn't have to get guidelines. They were there. They were helpful. But we could analyze from understanding how does an ulcer happen? What's the story I'm hearing for the patient that relates to the physiology I know, to guide my next question. But I suspect Medical School and Continuing Medical Education Today is all devoted to understanding the guidelines, the charting requirements, and the things that make your practice stable and saleable from the regulatory side. So I'm hoping for freedom and the restoration of a real art of medicine. Dr. Paul 8:26 While I'm hearing you say, I have a dream that the patient doctor relationship is restored? Yes, we have freedom to practice the art and science of medicine. Yes, I think we need to have the freedom to allow ethical decisions to be made by the physician in consultation and with the patient, and that we not be bound by arbitrary guidelines that come from above, we really have got to get back to putting the patient first. And following our ethical duty to be of service to our patients. It was always such an honor, wasn't it to be the physician for a patient who needs us what a privilege we've had. It Dr. Kelly Sutton 9:09 is we're given a level of intimacy and intimate information and exchange with the person that is based in trust. And that is a huge compliment. It's the highest compliment and that's where we do have that privilege of being in medicine. And I don't think trust is cultivated any longer. It's not needed. Because the binary questions do you have pain in your head? Patient denies it or Yes, pain in the head is not enough. Right? Dr. Paul 9:52 I was chatting with my roommate last evening. He's all three to four years post cancer diagnosis and He went in to see his oncologist this week, the oncologist asked him one or two questions. How are you feeling? Great. Your labs look great. Put a stethoscope as you mentioned, right on the we used to tease the orthopedic point where you could listen to heart, lungs and abdominal sounds all at once. And that was the physical exam, the whole thing took less than five minutes. And that was it. He was just looking over his bill $600 Just for that part. And it's like medicine is being destroyed. Yes, absolute sort of just protocol driven science, I dream of parents being able to make every decision for their children about what goes into their bodies. Yeah, that we get back to uplifting the natural healing hour of the human body. Dr. Kelly Sutton 10:46 Thank you. We are too narrow. Healing is beyond pharmaceuticals alone, we have to look at the immense power that's built into the human physical design. And take advantage of that and understand it before we rock the boat. So thank you, that's another strong leg for the dream to stand on is to expand it to natural treatments. Indeed. Dr. Paul 11:12 So I want to get into your story. You were one of only 10 Women in medical school in your class. I think by the time I came along, 10 years later, I was 5050. So you were really one of those pioneering women, and you're fighting not just to save your career, but to save the future of medicine and the health of patients everywhere. So tell us a little bit about your journey. How did you end up getting in the crosshairs of the medical board. Dr. Kelly Sutton 11:41 I have always had vaccines in my office. And my patients pretty much always got tetanus and polio. But as we got into more and more vaccines, I had patients who didn't know that they wanted to have the pneumococcal the HIV, the rotavirus, the hep B. And so I would sometimes have those available because there was enough demand, but sometimes I'd have to order them if a patient wanted them. And then I was in California when 2011 California made a switch in parents rights to make decisions about their children's vaccine schedule. And they said that each parent had to be educated by a school nurse practitioner or a doctor and the provider had to sign that the education had happened before the parents personal belief exemption from one or more vaccines was considered valid and could be submitted to the school. About four years later, California brought SB 277. Under greyed out cry from parents flocking to the capitol and staying there in hot sweaty holes for an entire summer by a few 1000 in numbers, but to no avail. I'm sure it influenced the wording of the bill because originally it said only contraindications would be allowed for medical exemptions and no other type of exemption would exist. It's interesting that the literature the legislation did not address religious exemption directly. But everybody was going to state a fear and assumed this means the religious exemption is gone also, because the word beliefs was plural. That was probably a mishap of the legislative process that it wasn't brought up that Dr. Paul 13:40 we needed to effectively remove both philosophical and religious didn't it effectively Dr. Kelly Sutton 13:46 in people's actions. But whether the law actually is written to say that, I think has to be tested in court. We don't know for sure. But it was it left a very broad for the doctor's discretion to be the foundation of medical exemptions. And in the legislative discussion, Senator Pan said, Of course that includes autoimmune disease, family history. You don't even have to be the child's doctor. And it could be for as long as as needed. Just write a note. He made it sound very simple and straightforward. But when the time came, there was a shift in the media's coverage. Senator Pan started saying doctors are greedy. There's doctors selling medical exemptions. This is a for profit, effort. It's against our children, as though there was a divide between the exempting doctors and the public. And from my experiences in exempting doctor, I was receiving patients who had damaged themselves damage in the family and whose own specialists or primary doctor refused to write exemptions. They sought a out a doctor who was willing to do that. I knew what I was writing exemptions that I might have to defend each one in court or in summer, legal setting. But I was not supporting children going through college at that point, I was freer, because I'm older to do what I felt was the right thing to do. Dr. Paul 15:21 You had a sense that there was danger. Yes. Yeah. I remember that feeling when I wrote the vaccine friendly plan, or that fact my mom even was accusing my co author, you are putting my son's head on a platter. It was like you're doing something that is clearly not what the establishment has set out as what they want. Yeah. And that's what good science should be. Anyway, we should be questioning everything. Dr. Kelly Sutton 15:47 I think so and probably good education. And anything going should be questioning the status quo, because we're by design, always improving and evolving. Right? Dr. Paul 15:58 So back to your story. You didn't write hundreds or 1000s of exemptions, you just wrote, how many? Dr. Kelly Sutton 16:05 Oh, I wrote a number of exemptions, probably close to 1000. But I didn't keep track. But it was eight cases that were brought in front of the medical board. And parents were given the option of turning over the records immediately, but chose not to. And then they had to be subpoenaed. And I went through the process of a hearing and the question of a settlement that I was planning to move east to Massachusetts to be grandma. And it didn't make sense for me to accept a heavy duty probation and pay for a monitor, pay for charts being checked, keep an office in California where I'm living in Massachusetts. So I said, I don't want a settlement. And it went to a hearing in front of administrative law judge. And despite the fact that I had excellent witnesses, Dr. noin Shawanda, who's headed the maps program for years, Dr. Paul 17:05 and really founder and scientist. Yep, articulate Dr. Kelly Sutton 17:09 Yes, and powerful speaker. And he's been at the ASIC meeting, so he knows how the process of approval of vaccines works. And Dr. latrine Huang, who has taken care of children with Vaccine Injury through her work with homeopathy. And Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, whose incredible deep work in pediatric neurology has, with his colleagues documented that 30% of regressive autism is related to mitochondrial dysfunction. Dr. Paul 17:42 Yeah, he was the one that famously involved in the HANA Pauling case, right? Dr. Kelly Sutton 17:48 I think he was the co worker of the father of Hana, was it Dr. Paul 17:54 that might have been what it was, but it really showed clearly that vaccines can cause Yes. And in fact, that's what that case ended up proving they tried to save just because of mitochondrial dysfunction. I think many of us know that there are a lot of people walking around with mitochondrial dysfunction, like maybe all of us Dr. Kelly Sutton 18:15 were at some level it's acquired, taking Tylenol enough would probably give us all mitochondrial dysfunction. But the combination of some genetic vulnerability and then a few doses of Tylenol and a bunch of vaccines on a developing nervous system is a recipe for autism. Yeah. Dr. Paul 18:32 So back to your hearing, you actually went through one of these ordeals, right? Where your, your you got your attorney, and you've got your witnesses. Tell us a little more about how that went. Dr. Kelly Sutton 18:44 I was totally naive to the legal system. So I did not know what anybody's role was. The rules of the game were how to address or formulate a strategy. So I pretty much did, as I was told by the attorney, and then learned later that we should have asked for discovery, we should have asked for the opportunity to say who is the expert witness Deborah layman that you're bringing here and she's pediatric infectious disease. She doesn't deal with seeing vaccine injured children administering vaccines herself, writing medical exemptions. So essentially, she's not qualified. And yet, she was accepted by the players in the courtroom at that time. And it was this slam dunk. Everything, just trivialize what I was saying. And turned that whole outcome to be of course, you only use the ACF guidelines. And you only did that and anything other than that is an extreme deviation from the standard of care. So hyperbole about what was a protective action for children. and was not giving them a wrong treatment, but withholding treatment, which is part of the Hippocratic Oath, the first do no harm. And the decision was made to revoke my license. Dr. Paul 20:14 Wow. And that happened pretty quickly. I imagined it Dr. Kelly Sutton 20:18 did. And then I tried to petition for reconsideration, submitted the petition. And within less than one business day, 400 pages of documents were said to have been reviewed and rejected. So when they hadn't read it did an ex parte to the Superior Court in Sacramento. And the judge said, Look, this didn't happen, and called the Deputy Attorney General and myself for a brief hearing and asked him, What would the medical board do if it had the option to redo this? He said, we would out of fear. Rhys, consider this petition. So as my license was extended, probably an extra month or so due to my petition to reconsider. But ultimately, the same outcome was the revocation of my license in 2222. Dr. Paul 21:16 And so basically, you appealed it, they shot it down. And that's it for that case, is it done? Dr. Kelly Sutton 21:21 That's the administrative level. So I do have still pending two writs at the Superior Court in Sacramento. But I'm not actively pursuing those, because I want to work with the federal case with a group of doctors who are working with a civil rights attorney on that right now. Dr. Paul 21:45 I'm really excited to hear that before we get to that. One other thing you had happened to you exactly what happened to me I happen to have been licensed also in I was originally licensed and practicing in Oregon. I was licensed in Washington, my neighboring state, and I had some patients there, but they were driving to my office in Oregon. And then I had a license in Hawaii where I had never practiced, but I always thought, oh, I might retire there someday, and, and I can have a license, all those licenses fell like dominoes, and maybe tell us what happened to you. Because I know you had licenses in other states as well. Dr. Kelly Sutton 22:19 I did. And within 12 days of the first revocation by California, Massachusetts, sent me a letter saying, Oh, we're investigating you, please send such and such, or please just sign this document saying, you surrender your license, and you admit you're guilty. So I sent the documents and told them I was appealing. And for six months or so I didn't hear anything from them. And then they started getting revved up and began, what looked like was going to be a hearing process. But in fact, was a summary decision against my license and saying, based on reciprocal discipline, there is no need to reconsider anything. But the state of Massachusetts may duplicate the finding of guilt that the state of California found, and do what it chooses as discipline against me. At that time, I worked pro bono, with the help of attorney friend and other friends. And the battle was fierce, there was a lot of back and forth. And some amazing things happened in terms of just the way they conducted procedure. For instance, in my response to their motion for summary decision, I said, Please give me the points that you are saying are the reasons for this. Because in the Massachusetts law, it says that's required. And they said, that's if you're in superior court, but in administrative level, we don't have to do that. So I'm supposed to respond, been laid out for what I'm responding to. And that was my requirement. And at another point, I asked for something and the administrative master said, I will take that as a motion to reconsider. And here is the response. So he assumed that my asking was a motion to reconsider. He took the place of my attorney to call it that. And then he took the role that he had already as the administrative master to respond to it and deny it. It was an overtaking of rights. But what I'm learning is that's the way the administrative state works, that it doesn't have to be practicing real law with real orderly presentation of points, so that a person can respond or real roles defined, it can just say do this. And you can't do that. And here's the decision. So it's a tough part of our time to have this exercise of raw power in the management of regulating professionals. It's I'm not a professional. I'm more like parolee. And they're the wardens. It's no question that I've done something wrong. And they're watching really closely. What else am I going to do? Dr. Paul 25:21 When in fact, you haven't used simply did careful family histories, physical exams on your patients, and basically, you were saving kids who are at high risk for vaccine injury from vaccine injury. Wow. So that I had not known this term reciprocal discipline, but that's what I suffered through as well. So you lost your Massachusetts license. And I understand you have one in New York as well. Dr. Kelly Sutton 25:45 I had very briefly a New York license in 1982. I never activated it fully. I never practiced in New York, New York, like you not practicing in Hawaii. But nonetheless, New York said they chose to revoke my license to prevent the possibility that I should possibly consider at age 76. Starting to activate my license in New York and practicing there. They are preventing harm to the public, by revoking my license. Now, Dr. Paul 26:16 you You are such a threat of harm to the public. Dr. Kelly Sutton 26:19 Yeah, high priority in all of New York State. That's the worst criminal they've got. Wow. Dr. Paul 26:24 Wow. Tell me if you can, what did you learn about the Federation of State medical boards because I only became aware of that after I got entangled with this whole rigmarole with different states and all that. Dr. Kelly Sutton 26:38 I learned that there is a huge distribution of information about the status of my license and every doctor's license to the Federation to the national Practitioner Data Bank, to the IRS to the Attorney General's office, to many departments, and so we are under continual surveillance and didn't even know it. But as I have listened to Merrill nases case in which a member of the main medical board is on the Federation of State medical boards, even though Maine State law says, No person shall be on the Medical Board of Maine that has a conflict of interest. If you're serving the Medical Board of Maine, you should care about the health of patients in Maine. But if you are serving on the Federation of State medical boards, you have a different purpose that could conflict with what's going on. It may say that secondary, what happens to Maine public, I don't care about I want the profession of medicine to go a certain direction. But she would not recuse herself. So I now see the Federation as probably the linchpin behind the lockstep actions that medical boards across the country and around the world have taken in the last three years. And I've spoken recently with a friend who is a veterinarian, who does Holistic Veterinary work and is beloved by her patients, families, as you can imagine, because she gets good results. The pets live a long time and they're healthy, and cancers are reversed and there's less euthanasia, which is the automatic go to answer in veterinary medicine. And she her license is suspended in Massachusetts for two years. Awesome. Wow, I did not know that. Yeah. And there is an American Veterinary medicine board, American Association of Veterinary Medicine boards, that she contacted and said, Please tell me your sources of funding. And she's waiting to hear back from them. Dr. Paul 28:47 So that's my understanding is this federation of state medical boards. And indeed, there's the International Association of Medical regulatory authorities that you've written about. These organizations are not accountable to the public. They're not accountable to our government agencies or public health agencies. They're independently funded, I believe, to carry out what mission Dr. Kelly Sutton 29:11 I cannot say I've read their mission statement, but I have heard from Dr. Bruce Dooley, who now lives in practices in New Zealand, that in their meetings, they describe how to get the fringe doctors or the quacks and what policies should be introduced in their particular states. So the policies are written as a template. This is what you want to get introduced into law. So they're very politically active. And there is a real intention to get rid of doctors like us who are fringe, and in the old days, we were quacks because we use natural things to treat patients the least toxic thing for first. So that's anti competitive for sure. In a business sense, it's not fair practice. In an our free speech is restricted. So I think there's a lot of illegality going on. And we need discovery and deposition of people to understand where does the money come from? Because that's probably why those sample laws are being distributed to all the Federation of State Medical Board representations. And I think they're probably have a reach into every state medical board. Dr. Paul 30:35 Yeah, I think you're right. That brings us to the topic I'm really excited to talk to you about that is this, you've chosen to engage in what I think is probably, I know, you've stated it the most important civil rights fight of our time. And tell us a little more about what's going on. And then also how we can support you and give more information. Thank you, Dr. Kelly Sutton 30:57 physicians and patients reclaiming medicine as a new 501 C three, that is a legal defense fund, and a membership organization to collect interested patients, physicians, attorneys, and other providers who are being attacked, or who have seen the importance of this attack. As one of these things, it pulls the rug out from under all kinds of rights. If a doctor and a patient cannot work together freely, for the good of the patient, certainly parents rights are gone, the patient's rights are gone, those physicians rights are gone. And if we don't have bodily autonomy, we are under the state. There is no other control over us. If we don't have it ourselves. I'm glad to see that is happening. And we have had speakers. And we're still very tiny and new as an organization. But getting in contact with other organizations and other individuals who are gaining experience so that we can find one another and work together. Dr. Paul 32:04 Now that's super exciting. What COVID taught us what Tova taught us now, you and I were aware that there were problems with the childhood vaccine schedule, right way before most of our peers or the population at large, had any notion that there was any issue with vaccines and then come along this COVID fiasco, and people seem to be waking up. I Dr. Kelly Sutton 32:27 heard Steve Kirsch last night. MIT finally allowed him to speak in the university where he's donated money for a building. He was refused until November 30 of 2023. And he spoke about what his mastery of Statistics has shown that there's no question that the COVID vaccine has caused deaths. He says there's no question that autism causes is from vaccines. He said, There is no single instance of any case of autism, two weeks before a vaccine happens. But there's large numbers of cases of autism to within the two weeks after a vaccine. And he says that's enough statistically, and he discussed the Poisson distribution, which I don't know what it is. But I think it's the coming together of people with different skills like Steve Kirsch and Edward Dowd with their mastery of mathematics have really shown us a mathematical fact of what's happened that we know from our environment and the neighbors, and friends and what we read in the media, in spite of suppression. And that has to take a next step, once we've got mathematic approved to go towards things like lawsuits. Dr. Paul 33:48 Yeah, it's that same clustering of autism after vaccines that Steve Kirsch was talking about last night. We've seen the same thing with SIDS, sudden infant death syndrome, never being properly attributed to the actual culprit, and that's vaccines. Almost large majority of SIDS happen in the first week after vaccines, not the week before vaccines as high in one data set as 97%. But in all data sets and there's several of them. Yeah, well over 50% are in the first week after vaccines, sometimes three days after a vaccine. Wow. Dr. Kelly Sutton 34:24 And as bad as vaccines are. The worst thing is behind that. And that's the principle that's being established that you and I could not take care of a patient and give the patient with the patient needed. That freedom to function as a trained, ethical, responsible professional, does not exist. And so if that's taken away, then we really have big issues in how to conduct a human culture together? Yeah. When Dr. Paul 35:03 you were opening with me, you talked about trust, and how important that trust is between the patient and doctor, that relationship. And you and I have had that privilege of having trusting relationships with our patients for decades. And that has been completely eroded when, just for example, the COVID, that's most obvious to people who are watching doctors get paid reimbursed for vaccinating. And there are bonuses and incentives. And then of course, the public has been incentivized by or threatened, you're going to lose your job where you can't go to this event or that event, or you can't travel, or here's a doughnut or a lottery card, just ridiculously unethical practices. In any time prior to this. We would have been brought before a medical board if we coerced a patient to take a medical procedure. Yes, Dr. Kelly Sutton 35:59 these are bribes, there should be no detailers from with gifts from pharmaceutical companies to medical students and doctors, there should be no financial incentives for doctors for certain treatments, or lab tests or anything else. Those interfere with medical judgment. There's no way for it not to. Dr. Paul 36:21 So I'm curious, you've been at this even longer than I have? What happened? What happened to our profession? Where are our peers, we've got in my field pediatrics, almost all pediatricians will just follow the basic guidelines without questioning without looking at any other data. They just start told this is what you do, and they do it. Where do we go from here? What happened Dr. Kelly Sutton 36:44 to different questions, but so important, I think we got lazy and greedy. And when insurance came in, and it paid anything, we were happy to charge high prices, we lost our moral footing. And we didn't charge fair prices. So then there had to be clamps put back on us. And the family practice doctor became the secretary for the system, filling out all the referral authorizations and so that the lab could make money, the X ray department could make money, the referral specialist could make money, but the referral had to come from the primary in that in those days family practice, doctor and we didn't complain. And then I think one thing I've heard Richard emerling say is the workload got so big, that doctors did not any longer want to work alone. So we put ourselves on the employment role of a hospital and became their doctor. And we've had fewer and fewer doctors in private practice. His assessment of what's gone wrong with medicine is very insightful. He said, In the 90s, there was, or maybe it was part of, I don't know if it was Clinton's medical plan, or Obama's probably Obama's, there was a plan to say, medical visits could only be paid through insurance, you could not pay out of pocket. And he said, that's a key point of control. Because if a person is free to pay out of their own pocket, they have freedom to choose a different provider than that easy, covered, cheap provider. But so he said, we have to have things put back so that people are paying and choosing their provider with their finances. And the private practice of medicine has to be restored as one answer to your second question. And it has to be strong. And we have to have fewer physician employees and more physician self employed, because then we have the chance to use our own values. The doctors in Kaiser and setter were not free to write medical exemptions. And they were told that and so there are patients who are deprived of that option on as a mass as a block. Dr. Paul 39:19 And that might be how some of them ended up at your doorstep? I think so. Yeah. I had that same experience in pediatrics in general that patients were kicked out of other practices. If they weren't following the CDC schedule. They would show up at my office and we take all comers and monitor informed consent. And so I had this growing population of under or unvaccinated patients, which you would think would be a disaster given the common knowledge or the thought anyway, that vaccines are safe and effective in this wonderful Naisha and cure all. The funny thing was the unvaccinated are the ones who are so healthy. And I got to see that firsthand, which was like whoa, what's going on here? Yeah, That's very insightful of you. So with your efforts with PP RM, how do people get information from that organization? We're joined to support you. Dr. Kelly Sutton 40:11 Thank you. The website is reclaiming med dot o RG. If people want to go there, they can see what the Saturday meetings are. Like, we have a forum. And you can sign up for the newsletter for free, you can get notices of when we have a guest speaker. And then as a member, you get access to the recordings of prior guest speakers, and the forum and a section of the website that isn't available to the public. And we love having the experience of doctors who are dealing with medical board issues, because we think in the combined experience and insights, we're going to have a chance to understand how to approach the issues we're dealing with, and also have the talent collected to help write articles to reach out to people through social media. And see if there's ways that there's more awareness, we would like to make everybody more legally literate, because doctors are not legally literate. Parents are not legally literate. The things I've seen happen with parents who had exemptions in California, and are then told me you now have to register this in this thing. And the schools will routinely say you just sign up for it and you'll get put in your exemption there. But putting your exemption in to the system means two things, your tract and your exemption will be denied. I've never heard of a single exemption put into the care system that was accepted. Except for one. And that was a doctor who is still being investigated. And it was a 12 month exemption. Dr. Paul 42:01 Effectively medical exemptions are gone, aren't they? Dr. Kelly Sutton 42:04 Yes, yes. And they're really one person pointed out they are not medical. They are administrative. So it's a bureaucratic exemption that the parents are getting. And that's so hard to get in California. Dr. Paul 42:19 Yeah. I'm often asked if I live in California or New York, or Maine or Philadelphia or West Virginia, I think those are the states Pennsylvania sorry. I think those are the states currently that do not have a philosophical or religious exemption. Oh, and parents will say what can I do? And what would you tell them? Dr. Kelly Sutton 42:39 It's I hear occasionally, about this doctor will give exemptions, or this school will work with the parents to get the child educated. But I think those are like, rare as hen's teeth very difficult to find those that can with the answer seems to be to go on with creating the new world to start your own school, which is easier at the preschool level than other times you just share with other parents find a church that welcomes its congregation and work together, you make a private Educational Association, so that it is a contract between parent and student and teacher. That is doesn't include the government. It's not taking government money. It's not licensed. Because it's when we allow the government access through a medical license, a school being licensed, that we then have to comply with. We have they have access to us, and then we have to comply with the laws, whether it's giving vaccines or receiving vaccines. So a person can homeschool or move. Those are the two hard realities. Yeah. Dr. Paul 44:01 If you're a parent listening and you are faced with my child is now going to be forced to get less heaven forbid, but they've added the COVID jab to the childhood vaccine schedule starting at six months of age. I just can't even fathom the insanity of that right decision that was made almost unanimously by this committee that supposedly is looking out for our children's health. Clearly our organizations are captured, right? Yes, the very institutions that are supposed to protect us are now right out there harming us left and right yes. So homeschooling has to start becoming a real reality for any thinking caring parent Yeah. Or like you said move. I'm gonna wrap up and have Didi join you for to function I gotta miss this D always gets to the fun personal stuff. Okay. But as I depart, I want you to have a final say about if the audience could listen or remember one thing. Dr. Kelly Sutton 44:56 What do you want them to know? It's you And one thing I forgot, and that is to go to school board meetings. And I'm volunteering now in my grandson's library at his little kindergarten school, public school. So I get to see what are the books like that are there? What are the people like? How much computer use a lot of things. And I go to the school board meetings once a month, and I'm thinking about going to the school to the town council meetings. I think it's that local involvement. That's the other leg. It doesn't educate our children. But it's something maybe for the grandparents who carry while the parents are figuring out whether to homeschool or vaccinate or move, because the parents are carrying the biggest load on their shoulders. I think maybe that's the last thing I should say is that tremendous admiration I have for the parents who are going through this experience. They have born the child love the child obeyed the doctor suffered from all of those virtues, and now deal with a chronically ill child that they are continuing to be devoted to and to raise. And the things I'm going through are nothing compared to that. So it's Dr. Paul 46:18 I second, third, fourth and quadruple that. That's why we do what we do. And thank you, Dr. Kelly, satin, you are an angel on this planet on this earth. And thank you for being on the show with me. Here's DD. Dr. Kelly Sutton 46:30 Thank you very much, Paul. Hey, everyone, DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 46:33 it's me DD and I am here with Dr. Sutton V. Dr. Sutton, you just saw a wonderful interview with her and Dr. Pol. And I was cleaning to every word and everything you said. And when you were talking about exemptions and different things, I have found myself starting to tear up because as a mom, I did some exemptions, not exemptions. But I did refuse some vaccines for my son when he was younger, because he was sick. I did the initial one. So my heart as a mom is so appreciative of you and but very sad that you have to go through what you are going through and what you did, because you were doing what's best for children. That hurts my heart as a mom. But thank you for everything that you do. So my first question is, are you just mentioned your grandchildren? So talk to me about how many kids you have? How many grandkids you have? I see that brings a smile to your face your Dr. Kelly Sutton 47:32 it's a real connection point, whether it's a doctor and patient or meeting someone is how do you have children because it changes your life once you have that experience? So I have two wonderful sons, who are around 40 years old now. And one of them has two children. And I get to babysit them twice a week and I'm delighted. Oh, yeah. I love that. Yeah. And how old are they? five and three? Okay, DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 48:02 so is it the five year old that's in school that you were talking about going to the library? Yes. And for your children for 40 years ago? Did you vaccinate your kids? Dr. Kelly Sutton 48:13 I did. Okay, I learned conventional medicine first. Okay. And so I did what I learned. But then, in my practice, my patients started teaching me and some of them had problems, a man with dramatic myositis. I have to thank for his story and his asking for help. And I searched for a research program to put him in. That was conventional medication. Couldn't find one. So I asked a friend who said she had helped her rheumatic fever, with nutrition. And then she wrote out the nutritional program because I couldn't at that point, and he got better. He still looked like he had dermatomyositis. But he was functioning. He was swallowing he was doing his gardening and he was no longer depressed. So I knew the power of other types of healing from what my patients told me. And that was just the beginning of opening everything. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 49:19 How many years would you say you were in practice when that happened? And maybe turned around how you felt? Dr. Kelly Sutton 49:24 That happened? Pretty quick. Tucker, I started practice in New Mexico in 1970. And that's about the time that the American Holistic Medical Association was founded with Norm Shealy and Gladys McGarry. Okay, I knew them way back then. The early days of Jeffrey bland. There was a lot of famous figures in just beginning things at that point. And then I met anthroposophic medicine, the work of Rudolf Steiner, which kind of brought everything together. It has a big picture cosmology behind it Just like are you Vedic and Chinese medicine? Do ya? What's it the context of the human being the local, the family, the community, the cosmos. In that framework, I could put everything I was learning from patients, whether it was nutrition, detox with colonics, homeopathy, homeopathic remedies, herbal remedies. Some people had experienced faith healing, healing with radionics. All of those could be grasped and formed into useful tools. Through the work of anthroposophic. Medicine. I didn't use all of them. But I think that the whole difference was being able to say, what is the human being? And have an answer that you could count on? This is deep, this is real. Because that question wasn't really answered explicitly. In medical school, it was more implied that the eye is a camera, the brain is a computer, the heart is a pump. So we're just a big inch machine. We're a big Incredible Machine, we're broken, we fix it. But with anthroposophic medicine, there was a picture of the person having a spiritual nature, which was eternal and unique. And soul or emotional makeup, a body of life forces, which was called the etheric body, and then a physical body. So with that complexity, there was many angles of understanding the sickness of the person, and of helping to treat. So it's just been a very rich learning experience for all these years. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 51:36 That's awesome in that you can embrace that because a lot of medical doctors, like after I've helped I do body work, and through the past 30 something years, sometimes some of my patients back pains or different things would get better. And they'd go to the doctor, and they're like, oh, it's that's nice. Go ahead, but you should probably still have surgery. And it's, it just always surprised me that it was just put off, and that's changed in itself. So you just said Gladys McGarry? Yes. Name. I had an opportunity at a massage conference. Actually, she did a speech and I got to talk to her. And she's amazing. Do you feel like that's did you learn much from her? Because he just mentioned her name. But did you ever have an opportunity to because she went through the same thing with her past, and how she chose to step right into doing things more holistically. Dr. Kelly Sutton 52:25 I knew her so long ago and have not kept touch that I probably had more discussions about her work in the 1970s than since then. But I know she did amazing things with the Association for Research and enlightenment, the ARV healing centers in Arizona. Yeah. And I imagine there would be parallels if I spoke with her. Yeah, I've DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 52:51 been trying to get her on the show. Talking to her she is she's amazing. And that's what I see in you, though, is that you're not afraid to fight. And I think in some of the email conversation, you said that if push comes to shove, it's more important to you to have an effect on helping families and kids and people receive the best medical care and health care. And I think that's something that you'd said that I've noticed is sometimes we think of it as just medicine versus a well, wellness, health and wellness. When you think of health wellness, I don't think we always think of medical doctors. But I see that in you. And I think that's why they're coming after you is because that's not allowed. Yes. So did your kids ever have any issues with vaccines? Dr. Kelly Sutton 53:36 I'm sure there's levels of injury in them and myself. I don't think there's any contribution to achieving full human potential that vaccines provide for I think they are a burden on our system and probably diminish by bits, our IQ or coordination or relatability, some of those finer functions, but because we're such an amazing, we've been given this human design, we have a lot of reserve and over eons, humans have been through a lot. And now we're going through this. I think we're going to survive and be stronger because of this. It's mostly my patients because I was practicing still when DPT was a vaccine. And there were a number of people in disabled homes because of the DPT vaccine from an early age. Oh, wow. Yeah, I DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 54:31 didn't even think of that. That's, and that's the thing, something like that. When you see that even back then and now seeing what we see with the COVID shot. To me, it's so clear that wow, this is harmful. We should stop but are you did you were your grandkids vaccinated? Yes. Dr. Kelly Sutton 54:48 And my daughter in law is a NICU nurse and she believes in vaccines, but she did spread them out. She didn't give the whole aid of one visit. I I think I want to mention one other thing from my early training. That besides seeing what happened with DPT, I also saw the sense of hesitation about too many vaccines that was truly the prevailing medical opinion in the early 70s, because I did a CME course that was on hepatitis and the gastroenterologist preventing presenting it said, there is coming investigation on a hepatitis B vaccine, but we won't need that for everybody. We'll just need it for those who have active Hepatitis B to prevent it from becoming cancer, and possibly people who are of Asian descent because they're more prone to that. And now we give it to babies in the first 24 hours. The shift the medical thinking that's happened. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 55:51 And even to infants, I just read an article on a set of twins that was born three weeks early in the shot was given to them. And now they're saying, June well, so I just I think, all of that's nonsense. So I have I think I know the answer to this. But if you could go back and do it differently, would you if you knew what you knew now that they were going to take your license or challenge you this much, would you have written those exemptions? Dr. Kelly Sutton 56:17 I would write them, I would probably be more aware of telling parents what they needed to do. Because I think in a sense, doctors writing exemptions made the parents think the problem was solved. We took the parents load on but that was a false answer. Because it was so temporary. It was undone in the next several years. And that little bit of tide helps because kids get more maturity, and there have more solid neurodevelopment to withstand other assaults. But still, I would have told parents, you need to do this, you need to do that. And I think all of us as a culture need to be involved in the government, whether most importantly, we do it locally, school board, and so forth. And we need to be legally literate. I knew nothing about law. And so I was just Paddy, in the hands of medical board attorneys. And sadly, the ones in California were not very strong defenders of doctors, they just felt we have to do what the medical board wants. And so that's what happened. And I know of no doctor in California, who was not disciplined. If they were in the situation I was in everybody's case it was last universally. So we need to have stronger self defense and legal defense. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 57:56 I agree very much so on that. So we have I don't know. But Dr. Paul and I have we co founded a program called Kids First the number four ever, and it's physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual aspects of our life. So if everything that's happened to you, what kind of effect would you say has happened to each of those areas with you? Do you feel like you have been affected negatively based on everything going on? Dr. Kelly Sutton 58:22 I know I've got wear and tear on my on all the parts except the spiritual probably yay, because it's just a lot to endure. And there's the stress of carrying the load of work to deal with the onslaught of tasks required. And then now the tasks are how do I pass on what I know. So it's not lost? So it's a very joyful, constructive building effort, but it's still I'm not gonna live forever, I better do this. Right. And then I think a lot of rebuilding can happen when there's some space and rest, but that time is not now. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 59:09 And I appreciate that you said that because that's the thing is, and it's just like with Dr. Paul, when he was going through this, it was affecting his health, his physical health, and mentally and emotionally and luckily, same thing, that beautiful, soulful, spiritual side of him, which I see in you, is still strong, and they can't take that they can do all the other things, they can take licenses, they can do all that but they can never take who you are. So thank you for that and how much work you put into it. So I know I'm running out of time. So okay, what, what's most important and can you say to other grandparents out there because you're in a situation where if it was your baby, you probably wouldn't vaccinate knowing what but there's this fine walk we have to do a fine dance we have to do with our children on that issue. What would you say to other grandparents Dr. Kelly Sutton 59:57 about vaccinating or God? DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 59:59 Yeah, about being having your children vaccinate your grandchildren, or how to how can grandparents get involved? Because you mentioned you're going to the school board meetings, you're going to school? Yeah, I think a lot of grandparents don't feel like that's maybe their place. And same thing a lot of grandparents don't feel like they can say anything to their kids about what they know about vaccination. Now, how did you do that dance? I Dr. Kelly Sutton 1:00:25 think we have to let our parents let our children be the parents of the grandchildren. We are not the grandchildren's parents, no question about that. So there's going to be things we see whether it's toilet training, how you brush your teeth, diet, vaccines, bedtimes that they're going to do differently than what I did, or what I learned from not doing it right the first place. So I would just play with the family and enjoy them. And then stop waiting for permission to go to school board meetings and town council meetings and volunteer in the school environment. Just go and look at a group like moms for liberty, who are very aware of issues that happen in school boards, and find your voice because you can do something your children cannot do because they're way too busy. With prayer as grandparents, we have to use our time in a constructive way. This is not a time to retire. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 1:01:23 Thank you so much for saying that. And,man, I agree with that. If that's the one thing that anybody takes from this is an especially I think sometimes parents are put in a different situation. If they speak up too much or say anything, then sometimes how their children are treated like a school. Yes, my son was treated negatively based on me speaking up. So as a grandparent, it's like a parent can go hey, that's her opinion now coughing. So thank you. Thank you so much Dr. Sutton for agreeing to interview with us. And please know if you ever need any support that you can reach out to us. Thank Dr. Kelly Sutton 1:01:59 you Didi for asking beautiful questions and for the encouragement because that lets the healing begin after everybody going through things. So thank you for that. Oh, you're welcome. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 1:02:12 Thank you. Hey, everybody, it's me DD and I'm coming to you from my soul. Today and my interview with Dr. Satin. It really made my soul shine, because she had mentioned her in her early career in education and training. She had the opportunity to meet Gladys McGarry. She wrote the well lived life. She's 102 years old. Actually, I think she's 103 now and she is still practicing medicine. She they call her the mother of holistic medicine. And boy, are they true? That is so true. But what lit up my soul was what Gladys McGarry has passed on to everybody. She lives a life of love. If you read her book or you have a chance to listen to her, it will light up your soul. It did the same thing for Dr. Sutton and Dr. Sutton lit up my soul today because she's she's not letting everything that's happening to her. slow her down. She is pushing through. She's making a difference. And when I asked her, you would you go back and do things differently? Yes, you know, you might think about things differently. But no, she would always put Kate patient care first. And that's what doctors are supposed to do. That's what medicine is supposed to do. And that's what our soul is supposed to do. We're supposed to put our health, our energy who we are our life, our love first. So thanks for listening, and have a great day. Dr. Paul 1:03:55 I look forward to running together with the wind at our backs, revealing the science that gives clarity in our world that's full of propaganda and misinformation. Visit our website, doctors and science.com Sign up. Donate if you can. 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Dr. Paul, welcome to with the winds science revealed. Today's show, we interview Mary Holland lawyer who was faculty at New York University School of Law for 17 years and is now President and General Counsel for children's health defense. She has co authored or CO edited several important books, including HPV on trial, vaccine epidemic, and turtles all the way down. I have all those books and have read them they are powerful. Did he interviews her about the experience at Children's Health defense conference in Savannah, Georgia, and of course wraps it up with from the soul. Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. I'm feeling called just to share a little bit about fear and prayer. You know, can we live confidently, no matter what's happening, I sometimes stumble and find myself getting a little fearful. And then I'm reminded, prayer doesn't have to be this one moment in time, where I maybe get on my knees, nothing. Nothing is anything wrong with any style of prayer. But prayer when it's an openness, a listening, a connecting, and an asking a trust in God, a trust in your Lord in the higher power in love in spirit, whatever you use to connect. And when you have that trust, and it's a dialogue and you're open, it can be a living, powerful force in our lives. And when you're in that faith space, I found fear just disappears. Our world is giving us endless opportunities to connect, and to stay in a place of love. That's what I wish for all of us. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 2:07 Here, everybody, it's me, Didi, and I am here with the Mary Holland from CHD. TV. And you all know that our show is on CCTV. And so some of you that are watching this watch us on CHD TV, or they watch it through when we send it out or on doctors and science.com. But we just did the conference rise and resist. And Dr. Paul and I spoke at it. And Doc also spoke on his own about what's happened to him. And many of you know that we travel and we're part of this amazing freedom groups medical freedom against medical tyranny. And Dr. Paul and I both have this passion for preventing harm and increasing children's health and wellness and vaccine. What's happening vaccines is something that we talked about and we're passionate about. We'll see each D does that and so much more. So we decided I should just come on. This is live. I'm in Alabama. So the background is a little different. But I just invited Mary to come and talk to me and talk about so my first question is, first, if you can explain just briefly for those that are on our show. And I've heard about people who've watched doc show and CHD. But they don't even really know about how CHD came in into reality, how it got started and what your position is. So if you could explain that, that'd be Mary Holland J.D. 3:26 great. Sure, happy to pleased to be here. Children's Health defense took over from a group called the World Mercury Project. It was started in 2007. And it was really focused on Mercury and very laser focus on so Marisol Mercury containing adjuvant that was used in vaccines pervasively, is now used in trace. And they made the film trace amounts, which is a great sell. Bobby Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. got on the board, a world war three project and helped to promote the film trace amount. And then basically that organization, Bobby became the Chair of that organization. And then we changed the name to children's health event. So I came on to the board of children's health defense in 2018. I'm a lawyer by profession. And then I came on to the staff at Children's Health defense in 2019 as the General Counsel. And then in 2021, I became the president and general counsel. And then this year, I took a leave of absence to work on Bobby Kennedy's political campaign, but then came back and I come back just as president and we have an acting general counsel for which I'm very grateful. Oh, that's DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 4:37 awesome. Okay, so that's your role now? Is that something that you plan to continue? Do Is this something so I guess the next question is, what's your personal involvement? Like why even in the beginning, why did you come on What? What happened personally on your lungs? Mary Holland J.D. 4:56 Yes, I came from a very medical family. Both my parents were physicians, I considered going into medicine and two uncles were doctors while blocked. I have a 26 year old son and he was vaccine injured. So that's what got me involved. And you know, first I focused on of course, biomedical interventions. And then I realized, Oh, my God, this has happened to every planet virtually, I the only way we're going to change this is to do it collectively. And so I got very involved in advocacy and worked in a variety of different groups. Autism, one, went to Dan defeat Autism NOW meetings and got to know many of the people that you and I both know, in the medical and legal side. And then when I had the opportunity to come to children's health defense and do this as a as my work, not as a volunteer, I jumped at the chance. Oh, that's DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 5:48 awesome kit. So can I do you mind sharing more about your son? Like, how old was he when he was affected? Like, what would it do? Ya Mary Holland J.D. 5:57 know, he's not one of those cases where he got the shot. And immediately at 105 fever and high pitch reading his his case is different. His was more sort of gradual in retrospect, he was a first child for me. So I didn't see all the signs in the way I would have if I'd had a child developing normally. So, you know, in retrospect, I see that he was developing some sensitivities. He was developing some repetitive behaviors, his language a little bit slow, but there were different ways that I could rationalize that to myself, and the doctors didn't pick up on anything they and I, we had actually some pretty good pediatricians. But then fortunately, a little bit late in the schedule, he got the MMR and measles, mumps, rubella. And now in retrospect, you know, he'd been getting all these thimerosal containing shots and Mercury containing shots, preservatives, and you know, so his immune system was probably already pretty, pretty impaired. And then he got three viral live viruses in his vaccine. And he basically fell off a cliff, he didn't have an immediate, immediate reaction. But he over the course of a couple of months, lost his language, lost his sleep, started doing all the repetitive things, like, you know, fans and whirly gigs and, and then started Splinter skills. Like when he did have a little bit of language, it was like, you know, to recite a book of 60 pages by heart, I mean, really, really? Yeah, he was on the what would be called Autism Spectrum Disorder, for sure. And fortunately, I learned about defeat autism Now very quickly, after, you know, very quickly after he regressed and started doing biomedical protocols to help him and I found down doctors and he's substantially recovered, but not completely, you know, his his life, my life, the all of all of our family's lives have been completely changed by that experience. And in today's world, DD on some level, I feel like we were the lucky ones because look at all the devastation and death from the COVID shots, and we were never gonna go need DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 8:03 you. I know. I know. And that so How old was he when he got the MMR? Mary Holland J.D. 8:09 He was two and a half. He was one was recommended, which is probably a thing in disguise, but he fell off DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 8:16 the cliff at that point. Okay, so he was really young. Because that's what I always you know, I'm fascinated by a lot of times, it's like for my son, it was when he was older than all of the, you know, the more of the damage and things that took place. So I'm always curious, like, when and we have so many people who watch ours. I mean, all of you all have seen HDTV, but especially with our show, we have a lot of people who watch it and want to know like, when did you notice it? And how did you notice it? And like you said it was the first child? And we do not every child develops? Normally not every child has a fever reaction. But like with Dr. Paul's research, and it sounds like a lot of what you've done too, is that it? It's health, and that's why I love when I heard about children's health defense. I'm like, wow, I that's the whole point is we're trying to help have a healthy society. How do you do that, too? I work with children is preventative. So you, you mentioned you have other children? I don't have Mary Holland J.D. 9:19 other children. No, I just have one child and he's now not a child. He's a man. But he's doing well and I'm grateful for that. But you know, the injuries are lifelong. I mean, his injuries are lifelong injuries. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 9:32 Yeah, they're and I have just one two are not a multitasker people like why did you have more children? Oh, don't ask. So, in your work, what do you find the most rewarding for you? Mary Holland J.D. 9:46 Well, I always find it rewarding DD when people have avoided harming their children, you know, when I parents who say I read one of your books or I learned you know what you said and I decide not to vaccinate my children. I always see that as a triumph. Really, that's, you know, that's one child who was spared any possibility of the severe injuries that are possible. I also find it really rewarding as a lawyer, we won some important victories. We had the minor consent law turned around, you know what we got an injunction. We've seen the mandates drop because of litigation. We've got important litigation going on right now related to censorship. So that's exciting. Just seeing, you know, I've been in this movement for over 20 years. So to see we had a conference is, you know, over 1000 people were there. We have millions of people who watch the HGTV who read our daily newsletter, Defender, I have the satisfaction I we have friends around the world, we have a chapter in Africa, we have a chapter in Europe, we have a chapter in Latin America, we have a chapter in Australia, we are part of a global powerful movement that's gaining steam. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 10:56 Wow, I didn't realize it was all over the world. I knew it was some but so how many chapters? Would you say there are in general? Do you have a count? Yeah, Mary Holland J.D. 11:07 I am not the minute we're forming new chapters, we have chapters in about 20 Odd US states. And we have groups that we work with health freedom groups in other states. And as I say, we have chapters in other continents. So we're about 30, all together, but we, you know, these different groups do different things, depending on what the issues are in their territory are in their state. But really, there's just fantastic grassroots action going on around the world. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 11:37 It is do you think, how do you feel because this was going on before? COVID? What do you feel was the biggest impact with COVID? Like, how did how did it affect children's health events? The pandemic, the lockdown, Mary Holland J.D. 11:50 I mean, the pandemic, the lock downs, the mass, the shots, the testing, it woke up a lot of people that there's clearly a coordinated global campaign going on that relates to control of populations through the vector of health, right. So essentially, our constitution was suspended. Churches were shut down. Around the world constitutions and fundamental rights were suspended, economies basically stopped. So I think all of those things brought people to children's health defense. I think, you know, the vaccines, we still haven't seen the end of the damage from these shots. I think the masks were incredibly harmful, especially to young children and to people with special needs, who have sensory issues. And I think the lockdowns killed people, I mean, the lockdowns clearly caused, you know, millions of children to move into poverty. Girls were sold off and marriage at very young ages, I mean, the pan the pandemic was a disaster. And the notion that we should now put the World Health Organization which declared the pandemic in charge of global health is absolutely literally insane. DD, it is insane. And one of the things that we must do is to stop that from happening and 2020 for the first half of the year, there will be a lot of efforts to have the World Health Organization literally become the the sort of the centerpiece of a kind of a new world order. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 13:23 I know, it really hurts my soul. I pray on it all the time. But it's just I mean, even hearing it when you say it, again, deeply disturbed, because when I think about all the children, like you said, how the pandemic affected them in itself. And I work in pediatrics, and I'm working with these children who've been affected by it in so many different ways, and we had some suicide in our area. And I'm work with those families. And I just when they think about that, I don't understand why nobody's like catching on to that and how that's even become a thing. And so my question for you is, how I know what I'm going to do to, you know, to make the changes and help but what do you say to somebody else who's hearing this? What do you say to them about? What what can they do? What do we have to do as a collective, but what can people do individually? Right? Mary Holland J.D. 14:19 There are so many things, Diddy. First step, of course, is awareness. The first step is to realize that we're not in the world. Certainly, I realized now I'm not in the world I thought I was in I thought I was in a very different world than I'm really in. I really do believe that. We're looking at a kind of global takeover of governments for the people by corporations, and this is really all for money. And it's really for the corporations and people are not high on the list, right? These are corporate interest and make money and to control people to subjugate people to to make people more malleable, so that They can be easily controlled. So there's lots of things to do. One is to be aware. So sign up for the free defender, watch the HDTV, sign up for your local CHD chapter in your state. If you go onto our website, you can find the chapters in the left hand hamburger menu. If you don't have a CHG chapter, join a different health freedom group use that National Vaccine Information Center portal, you can find out about what are the bills in your state, or you know, find out about what's going on in your country get active join other people in your personal life there, you know, use cash is one of the things that Catherine Austin Fitz, who's on our shows, Thursday mornings tells us use cash, it's anonymous, you may you know, if you in your pension account or in any way, if you're invested in pharma get out of pharma, they're not our friends. We don't want to be investing in Pfizer, but probably you know, the fortune 500. The s&p 500 is gonna have fun. So if you don't want to be building the prison, as Kathryn Austin Fitz would say, you know, make sure you're getting out of those investments. Those are some of the things DD that people can do. Outside of being devout. Sorry, my weakness. There was a local election here. But next November, you know, is another election for state and federal officials, vote for people that you believe are going to support your rights, especially your rights to health freedom, don't you know, go to local school board meetings go to local county official meaning stand up against this tide of tyranny? DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 16:38 Right. And I always tell like, when I talked to some moms that just say they're very fearful of talking to others, or sharing or whatever, and I said, the bare the bare minimum should be stand up for yourself and your child. Just choose not to comply. So after we spoke, and did our two month visit, we came out, just walked out the doors, this woman followed us out. And she said, Well, the easiest way to do what you did to sum up what you did is just when you go to the doctor, just say no, thank you, and keep saying no, thank you. And no, thank you. What I explained to her and the reason I don't coach that way, is yes, that's how you stand up for yourself. You just say no, thank you, and you're welcome to walk out the door. Where I find that to be an issue is for someone who is weak. And that's why I say bring somebody with you and make sure that person is on board with your decisions. That's also important, which I didn't point out, that person is on board with you then when they tell you, you know, well, this is what you need to your child. And you say no, thank you. Doctors are mean. And again, I'm they're supposed to do no harm. But I don't always know that they feel like they're doing harm. And so they'll push and the greater good and the money and whatever it is that they try and use just by saying no, thank you. I don't believe that changes anything. And that puts you on defense. And so for me, I always say, you know, learn everything and do everything. And when you make your decision stand behind your decision, say, this is why I'm choosing not to vaccinate, not just no thank you. But I don't think we're going to change pediatricians or people around us. If we just say, Oh, no thank you and walk away. Do you kind of feel the same way? Mary Holland J.D. 18:16 Well, a couple things. I really liked your idea of bringing somebody who's aligned with you to a pediatric office, it's too easy for a mom to be intimidated by somebody in a white coat. It's just tragic, but it's real. And we see that all the time. So I love the idea of if you have to go to a doctor's office and avoiding it altogether is another strategy. Go to a pediatrician who is open to your viewpoint. You don't want to go to somebody who's a doctor, who you're not aligned with. So you want to first of all, find pediatricians that are open to not vaccinating but should have to go for some reason to someone who's not on your team, though is somebody else. I also just recently edited a book called turtles all the way down vaccine science and myth. This is a great book that has questions for your doctors and I would encourage you to buy a copy. It's actually self published on Amazon but buy a copy and give it to your pediatrician or, you know, open questions for your doctor and ask your doctor all those questions. The doctor can't answer your questions, doesn't want to deal with you and will kick you out of the practice and then you'll find a better meeting trician or nurse practitioner or naturopath or whatever you can do in your state but you don't want to go to a doctor that you believe is bullying you that's just a bad idea. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 19:42 Yep. And, and for many, many reasons I feel like and that's what we try and show in that visit is that if they're not willing to listen or respect where you are, and we included in this last one I've been called just a moment I actually embrace that because I believe that has power people like you're not just a mom, no, I am. And what just a mom means is that I am fully on board with making sure that my child gets the best care. I didn't do it before. But I'm damn well gonna do it now. And I'm for sure gonna make sure that other parents at least have what they need to do that. And I believe that's what you and ch D does with the standing up to people and the, Mary Holland J.D. 20:27 you know, we don't need fancy degrees and we don't need somebody else's, you know, stamp of approval. I say, you know, we're animals and as animals, we're mammals, we're kind of failing our young right and the job, especially mothers in the animal kingdom is to fiercely protect their young and we are not protecting young people against what are toxic injections. And the science now is so clear Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Brian hugger just came out with the book Baxton Vax turtles all the way down is truly a really helpful book. It's pretty clear, you know, these these, I just read a story today Didi have a baby that you know, toddler that went to her 15 month visit and two days after getting three shots, she's dead. You know, these are not harmless exposures. And they're, you know, the the media, the health establishment, sadly, they lie to people. These are very toxic exposure. Some people do fine. You know, some people can smoke two packs a day for 70 years and be fine. Other people die and 50 have lung cancer. You know, some kids won't get autism, some kids will become paraplegic. Some kids will get add some kids will have depression, some kids will have other complications, autoimmune disorder, some kids will get asthma, and some kids will do fine. But now many more than half of American children have some kind of chronic health condition, be it obesity, asthma, allergies, ATD, ADHD, autism or cancer. So, clearly, these products are not helping overall public health, which is what they're designed to do. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 22:11 So you know, right. That's what, that's the thought process, right? Because when somebody called me an anti Vaxxer, I'm like, No, I'm pro health. Give me a shot. That's going to protect me but not harm me. Mary Holland J.D. 22:23 I'm all in Yeah, but they don't have those. Unfortunately, they you know, that's in there so severe that the industry in 1986 had to get indemnity from the government National Vaccine Information, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Act, or react and VI A, which basically indemnified industry, and then it became a gold rush, right, then there was lots of money in it, and there was no liability costs, and you can mandate the products. There's nothing like being able to mandate your widget, your market affect liability. I mean, that's what this is. It's an incredible scheme that violates every notion of markets. It violates every notion of you know, responsibility. It's insane, right, toxic products that are mandated on children. That's what this is about. And it's crazy. And it's gonna just die. Ed, we're getting we're getting very close to the tipping point here. 24. I just saw a poll from Rasmussen from early November 24% of Americans believe they know somebody who died from a COVID shot. People are we not have the level of legislation trying to protect people to make their own choices. More and more people are trying to opt out of routine childhood vaccinations. The science is really clear at this point. Didi is the science I mean, just getting clear every day, science is really clear that this there's these products were inadequately tested. And they have a huge array of side effects as DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 23:53 well. And it's, it's very sad. You know, I feel like it's a bitter the COVID shots a bittersweet thing in reality of, it's very sad what it's doing. And my own family, I still just, I can't even talk about it without bawling, but just the buy in knowing and sharing and their own friends. My I have my aunts all in this older group of women and two of them have already died of cancer, one of them died just recently, you know, and there was all within a couple of weeks at the COVID shot and the woman is still getting boosters. So my I just it's a struggle on that in. But you just mentioned What did you say there was a study Rasmussen, Mary Holland J.D. 24:30 there was there's a poll, there's a polling organization called Rasmussen polls, and they just did a poll early this month, November of how do you think that you know, anybody who died of a COVID vaccine 24% of Americans say yes, they do. And what's really impressive is that that number is about the same for Democrats and Republicans. There was a lot of differences between Democrats and Republicans about all the COVID measures. There's now prints between Democrats and Republicans and recognizing that they believe somebody who was you know, died from their exposure to a vaccine, the whole idea of a vaccine is supposed to protect you from deaths D. And we know that, you know, COVID was not as severe I would predict it to be. So the notion that people are dying from these vaccines is horrific. It's just terrific. You see, I DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 25:19 think that's the thing, the fear mongering, is it setting it over? Can you just in a legal aspect to share your opinion and the importance of bears? But when I was bringing up bears to one of my friends, she's like, Oh, that's just false reporting. So what do you say to somebody like that, that says that, oh, people just go on and claim stuff? Ah, Mary Holland J.D. 25:45 so two things, you know, the vaccine adverse event reporting system was created by statute by law and the 1986, National Childhood Vaccine Injury act, it was required, because if you take away litigation, as a way to impose liability, we have to have some way to find out if these products work or not. And then there were supposed to be Reports to Congress to make vaccines safer. They've never been made safer. They've only gotten more dangerous over time. But the truth is, is that there's is only probably catching 1% of adverse events. How do we know that? Because the Centers for Disease Control itself in 2010, commissioned a study by a gentleman named Phil I believe Solomon, and he was working for the Harvard Pilgrim Health Association, and they were doing machine learning. And so they looked at in a child maintenance organization at who was vaccinated. And then when did they come back to the health service? And what did they come back for? What they found a co DD? What is that? It's a staggering number. It's about two and a half percent. So a really high percentage of people get adverse events from vaccines. And when the CDC found that out in 2010, they literally didn't pick up the phone anymore. So they want to know, but we do have the VCA data. So in COVID, the government promised us that they would be rigorous and they would be tracking all injuries. And they created an app called the D safe vaccine safety app. And Aaron Siri and attorney for ICANN had to FOIA Freedom of Information Act asked for the information. And when that was exposed, it showed that there was over a 10% injury rate. These are unacceptable injury rates, and you have every diverse data is the government's data. The V save data is the government's data, if anything, it's underreported. So DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 27:44 can we change that? Because like Dr. Pol said, not every book not and most doctors don't even know how to use it. They're not even reporting it. Well, I don't even know about it until COVID. Mary Holland J.D. 27:57 I wish that I thought that were true DD I think that what we've heard a lot during the pandemic is that people were in hospitals told not to report so there's lots of disincentives to report it. First of all, it takes time, time is money. Second of all, the hospitals are the ones who are giving the shots, they don't really want to have a high injury rate from their hospitals. But all you have to do is look at the versi. It's open. And the the easiest way to find veirs is there's a link called Med alerts like medical alerts, meds, med alerts.or, and go to that, and you can look at it yourself. And there's just a staggering number of injury and death reports. And we've just got to stop this and the good news is DD is that people aren't going to get the boosters. The good news is it's about two to 3% of people who are getting the COVID boosters, they're still pushing them, but people aren't taking them people are wising up. And we have to be really happy about that. And we have to take some credit for that. That's because of the work we've done because the government and media have been pushing the same narrative since 2019. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 29:02 And I think that's the other part that I find so insane is that they know that there's harm so okay, fine, don't take them off the market, but to bribe people to do it. To tell kids that they can't go to college or go to classes or do things if they aren't vaccinated to childhood scheduled putting it on for a six month old. Mary Holland J.D. 29:21 And that's crib I mean, truly DD This is criminal stuff. You know, this, this is criminal stuff. There's no, you know, these most recent boosters were never even tested and children, they are literally expecting people to basically sign up as lab rats. And kudos to the people who say no, I'm not a lab rat. Right. I DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 29:42 think that's the most important thing and I wish like when we go to the conferences and things I tell I told Dr. Paul, I feel like we're preaching to the choir. And that's why I feel like our part when we talk is the communication piece and sharing with other people. You're the people that are hearing it knowing it and have exposure variants the damage. So this is how you talk to other people, because the only way that most people in society you're gonna get the information is one of us is willing to share and talk and make ourselves vulnerable. And you know what I mean? Yeah. Mary Holland J.D. 30:14 I mean, this is the question Didi, how do we reach people? It's not easy. You know, the advice that Robert Kennedy always gives, and I think it's the right advice is not to preach not to try to educate people is to ask questions, you know, why do you think that? What makes you think that who did you hear that from? You know, it's it's getting them to open their own minds? Oh, gee, I heard that from the CDC. Well, how did that work out last time? You know, you know, oh, you're from the who? Well, aren't they the ones that sort of had to backtrack? And, you know, have you heard about, you know, anyway, it's asking questions, to open people's minds. And it's, you can't change somebody's mind in one conversation. That's rare. It takes time. No, it takes time. But we're all working at that Diddy and recognize that we are all being censored, right? In social media. In print media and broadcast media, anybody who is going against the government narrative, and the government narrative, let's not forget is the unvaccinated are the ones who are the problem, you know, they're gonna get sick and die. That's not the reality. But that's the narrative. So and DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 31:19 now. And so. And I know you saw our presentation, that's one of the first things that my dues list and when I coach families is to ask questions. And I think the other thing that I tell people is that every person, even those that are, that are asleep, and following the CDC, or what the government says, everyone has something inside of themselves that want to help other people, we're helpers. So when I'm talking to somebody, I'll always ask, Can you help me understand why so it's a question, but if I asked them for help, you know, help me can I, you know, if I say help me with something, it seems like then people, you know, especially men, they want to help, they want to be the fixers, the the, you know, let me tell you, what's right. They want to help. And I think that's when people start to question their their selves, is when they're trying to help you understand, and they realize they don't even understand. So that's one of the things I share anyway, who knows if it works, but so what do you see in the next year? What do you see for everybody? Mary Holland J.D. 32:29 Well, I'm already looking a lot towards 2024 to 2020. Fours. I mean, we've got, you know, two wars going on in the world right now. We've got a lot of really frail leadership, globally. 2024, we've got elections in this country, we've got elections in Russia, we've got elections in China, there's a lot that's likely to happen in Europe, they've just basically embraced the digital ID for the European Union this past week. So there's a lot that's going on. I do think people have to be prepared that there could be some new crisis in the world. And being mentally prepared for that it I do believe makes a big difference. So I do think we're going to have a rough year to be honest with you, dd, I don't think 2024 is going to be smooth. I think it's gonna be a rough year. But I think we've got some really fantastic institutions and groups and people, and we can strengthen one another. I can't overstate how important it is to find your tribe, to make friends in the health freedom movement, if this matters to you, and if you want to keep your kids unvaccinated, it makes a huge difference to have people to support you in that and to reinforce in you why you come to that conclusion. So reach out. You know, I do our show with Polly Tommy each week, you know, pray big, don't settle. You know, never settle. You know, just stay strong. Stand firm, stand firm, don't settle, never settle. I guess she says down firm. Never Settle. Pray big. That's that's what we do. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 34:12 And lead with love. I always tell people that it's like, no matter how much you're against something, if you lead with love, it seems to be the most powerful weapon that we have. So I do my best to share that. So, question I love asking everybody whenever I do the interview, is if you could go back, say 30 years or actually back like even before you made a decision to be a lawyer. Would you do anything differently? You know, knowing what you know now, Mary Holland J.D. 34:43 would you want to be a doctor? No, definitely not. No. I consider being a doctor and I'm so grateful because I would not use I think I would be in the shoes of you know, I? I can't really think about going back Diddy. I mean, I wouldn't undo I love my life. I love what I I'm doing I think what I'm doing is meaningful. But you know, like everybody else, my son has suffered terribly I've suffered. That's part of the human condition, I don't think I would go back and do anything differently. You know, and I'm not quite sure what the future holds, but But I look forward to continuing to live the life I've lived. I mean, I look back. And I think that a lot of the experiences that I've had very much contributed to who I am and what I'm doing today, DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 35:31 right. And I have to tell you how much I love that marriage, because that's one of the things again, when I'm coaching parents make the decision, and moms have so much guilt, and people have asked me the same thing, would you? Would you have stood your ground firmer with your son when it came time to make decisions and things? Or would you, you know, if you knew what you knew, now, of course, she wouldn't vaccinate if you knew that. But I think one of the things that I admire you so much is that you have taken what's happened to you. And you're living in the way that you're living in a way that it's happened for you what you've gone through, and I think that's the, you know, I always try and tell people, things happen to us, but we can choose to see them, they happened for us, and you're doing so much with what happened for you. And you're sharing in the way you do it is so beautiful and respectful. And, again, I know how overwhelmed you are, that you but it's really important to have, for me, especially to have people that I can look up to and see what you're doing, and how you're doing it. And I don't know, maybe you get told all the time, how great what you're doing is and the difference it's made. But if you don't, then I'm here to tell you that so I hope you never stop. And if you ever need a cheerleader, I am your girl, I am right there with you, I will follow you around, hire me and I'll be your assistant, because what you're doing is so powerful. So thank you for joining, do you have any closing messages you'd like to share with everybody out there? Mary Holland J.D. 37:01 I just you know, I know that many parents struggle with guilt. I don't DD I didn't know better. And I did the best that I could at that moment. And guilt is not a constructive emotion in this, it's just not constructive. So is you I just want to if anybody feels guilty, like, you know, I should have known better, you didn't know better you were lied to you were lied to every day by people in authority, you didn't have reason to know better. But now you do. And so there's really I get like the the guilt and that the sadness. But both of those are emotions that really you can channel to the change that you want to see. So that this really does never happen to another child. And we haven't succeeded in that. But we are gaining we are gaining we if I look back over 20 years, I like Gosh, Didi, the scale of where we are now in our movement is just extraordinary. People are just not taking the boosters or not taking their kids, we've got bills in every state in the country, over 700 Positive bills for more choice when it comes to vaccines. There was not a single COVID mandate in a public school ever, despite three years of effort, there was not a single new mandate passed in any state in 2023. We are making a difference. And you can take your personal tragedy and your sorrow. And I don't mean to I don't mean to under estimate the tragedy of all this and then the horror and the sorrow. But when you're ready, and only when you're ready when you're ready. There are lots of us who would benefit from you participating and helping us to get over the finish line and that is to end any medical coercion. It's absolutely unethical, and it shouldn't be unlawful. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 38:59 And I agree with that something that we are always trying to say like if somebody does the guilt thing is that when you know better, you do better. And I think that's what we're all learning. Everything you just said is to that note that when we know better we do better. The other thing is my when my son was 16 years old, and I was going through everything due to the heartbeat shot at 12. I remember falling on the floor and crying with guilt. And he walked up to me and he looks down he goes, What are you doing? I can't even use the explicative that he said to me at the time. But he I said, I just feel so guilty. I did this to you. And he looked at me and he actually popped me upside the head and goes, the vaccine did this to me. You didn't do this to me and you didn't know. And I always tell parents that whenever we're talking is that we have to think we have to put the people hold the people accountable for doing it. And if it's not your parents, if you don't know how are you supposed to do any better? Mary Holland J.D. 39:57 There are people and As you know, DD not every physician knows they should, but not every physician really understand how toxic the shots are they were taught that they're safe and effective. So yes, there are people who are culpable, and they need to be held accountable. But many people are just doing the best they know how to do. And that's how a system works. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:21 It does. So thank you so much, I can't talk to you forever, I'm going to have to come and visit you and just sit in your living room and half a million questions. Thank you for joining me, and thank you for everything that you do, and not very much appreciated. Mary Holland J.D. 40:37 Thank you. DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:38 I really enjoyed my interview today with Mary Holland. I got to meet her at the conference that we talked about during our interview in Savannah. And the importance of those conferences, like she mentioned, is being able to be around people who are like minded, but also very diverse. There were doctors, there were lawyers, there were parents that were people who were questioning things, there were people who are supporting things, so many different people talking about so many different things that are very important to our children's health, and our well being for medical freedom. So in the interview, when we talk, one of the things that I realized was how involved people like Mary Holland are in CHD. TV, and in their program. It's not it's international, and it's so exciting. And I pay a lot of people asked me, How do I get involved? How do I do what Mary Hollins doing? I want to speak up, I want to talk more, I want to ask more questions. The conferences like the one at CH, D are everywhere. There's all kinds of opportunities. Most states have medical freedom groups. Most states have conferences, a lot of different programs. And here on our show, we'll put up some of those sites and links so that you can go and check them out, find something near you. You can always reach out to us at our show, and ask more questions. And we'll always do our best to link you to opportunities in your area. But the biggest thing is knowing that you're not alone. And that's something that's really important is that there are ways to get involved. There's ways to show your support. But there's also ways to learn more. The thing that I enjoyed the most talking about Mary, talking with Mary Holland, was her passion for what she does, and that she hasn't given up. And most of these people like her have their own stories about their own children who have been affected by vaccines, on know so many people with COVID that have lost their lives due to the vaccine. When they're in that world. It's hard. It's hard to stay on top of it. It's hard to stay positive and integrated into what they're doing. But she does and she does it fantastically. Being at the CHD conference in Savannah, this last year in November was really important to me. And it showed me a lot. Dr. Paul, and I speak at these conferences, and being able to do so and share with other people what we know, share the things we've learned. It's really important. And I also want to say thank you for watching our show. Thank you for sharing our show, we got to watch what we did at the conference on a CHD. TV episode that just recently aired. And it was incredible. We'll also put the link up for that. When you see what we do and how we talk and why it's important to stand up for what you believe in. I think it makes it a little easier for us to go Yeah, I can do that. I can join in, I can speak I can start a moms group. I can start something in my community. Don't ever worry about stepping up and stepping out. Sometimes standing up for yourself and standing up for others. Sometimes it means standing alone. And that's okay, because you're never really alone. Thanks for watching everybody, it's me Diddy coming to you from my soul. Today I want to share how I feel about connection, spiritual connection to be exact. So when we talk to people and we interact with people, we have sometimes we're emotional. Sometimes it's educational. Sometimes it's just hanging out with friends. But no matter what, whoever we're with whatever we're doing, there's a way we connect to each other. The way we bond the way we interact spiritually. That's when we're interacting, being talking From a place from love. So for me spiritual connection is really taking a deep breath sometimes and listening to the other person, not waiting to speak, not waiting to just tell them how you feel, but really listening, seeing how is it that they feel and being spiritually connected and for me means that I really take the time to look inside of myself and see how I'm feeling. What can I offer? How can I be the most loving person that I can? That to me is being spiritually connected. Thanks for watching. Dr. Paul 45:45 I look forward to running together with the wind at our backs, revealing the science that gives clarity in our world. It's full of propaganda and misinformation. Visit our website, doctors and science.com Sign up. Donate if you can. Your support makes a difference. 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