​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Pol and against the wind doctors and science under fire. This show is slightly different. I'm being interviewed. I'm going to cover the topics of RSV, influenza and COVID. What's going on? What do you need to know? And how can you be prepared for this upcoming winter, we're all three are hitting it once Bernadette closes us out with a very interesting take on the mindset of those in public health. They minimize vaccine dangers. They promote vaccine efficacy, and they maximize disease risk, completely distorting the actual information that's out there. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. I'm going to talk to you about gratitude today. And first and foremost, I am grateful for you. Your support means the world to me, I'm going to share a card I got from a patient recently that just exemplifies the importance of this to meet Dr. Thomas, I want you to know how much our family appreciates you. Thank you for caring deeply for the health and well being of all the families who have been under your care. Thank you for being bold, and for shining a light in this dark world. I am so sorry for the disappointment, pushback, hatred and heartbreak that you've had to go through. But I praise God for how he is using you to stand up for truth. I can only imagine how hard in every way it is to do this. So my prayer for you is that you will remain and God's steadfast love, His love and promises that will never shake or crumble. No matter what enemy you are facing. That you will seek His wisdom and take pause to hear his voice. I pray that God will protect you and your family fiercely give you courage to do what he is asking and be filled with great joy. Thank you, Dr. Thomas. And they share their names. Who that touches me. And I have to tell you, this is one of probably hundreds, if not 1000 Such cards and letters and sentiments. And it's kept me going through these difficult times. And I am so grateful for all of you who support me. It gives me that steadfast, we're together. We're never giving up because we are being called to do something magnificent that our world is calling us to do. So thank you

welcome folks against the wind. Didi Hoover joins me in studio. What the heck are you doing here?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  2:43  
Well, I am here because I'm the one as you know, that gets all the emails. And I have to tell everyone, first of all, this is our second time doing this. And you did a very good job the first time, I thought you did a good job of you. Thank you. So we get a lot of support. And I wanted to say that you have so much love and so much support coming in. And I know i i holler from one office to the other to you about that support. We also get a lot of questions. And right now, there's a huge amount of questions about this triple Dimick, this triple pandemic that's going on right now. And that is RSV, flu, and COVID a huge hit right now. So I just want to ask you some questions. And the first thing I want to talk about is RSV. So I would like to to explain what that is. And tell me about because we've been getting a ton of patients in and I think we've had one in our clinic here, even hospitalized this year. So I'd like for you to talk a little bit about RSV. People keep asking some of the questions about RSV are, you know, what do I need to look for? When do I need to see a doctor? And do the main one is you're talking about it is if they get a vaccine, should I run out and get this vaccine?

Dr. Paul  3:54  
Thank you for that question. I'm going to start with the last thing you mentioned. If they come up with an RSV vaccine, should you run out and get it? No. Here's why. They are trying to make an RSV vaccine on the mRNA platform, folks, they've been trying to do this for two decades. And they failed because of the nature of mRNA platform. It's just not been possible to make it work for viruses that mutate very quickly. That's why it failed for COVID it will fail for RSV for the same reason it has failed. They have this thing called immune enhancement that happens with that form of vaccination. And in the early trials they did for RSV they would vaccinate the animals right in the animal trials be it rats or ferrets or whatever. And it would look like the vaccine was okay safety wise. And then when those animals were re exposed with RSP a large percentage in some trials, all of them died. And it's a complicated topic that I've covered on another show. Dr. Ryan Cole covers it very nicely so check that out to review Do it. But this is not a virus that is going to be immune. It's you can't make a vaccine on an mRNA platform for RSV. At least not at this time, the technology is not ready, it got rushed for COVID. They're trying to rush it again for RSV. Don't let your kid or actually they're trying to do this for pregnant women. There's nothing worse than thinking about causing immune activation during pregnancy. We have studies showing that any kind of infection, viral infections in particular during pregnancy can cause problems with brain development. Why on this good green earth, would you intentionally activate the immune system while you're pregnant? It makes zero sense. So that was the long answer, which was the short answer was no. But I wanted to explain there's some real science behind why it's not a good idea.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  5:46  
No, thank you for answering that. But back to what So explain RSV, first of all, simply so that people understand that don't know what it is. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  5:53  
respiratory syncytial virus is that is what it stands for, is basically a cold. It's a virus that causes cold like symptoms, but it's a specifically Muco genic, which just means it makes you all mucousy. More so than I think other colds. And if you think about the size of airways, adults in the large children have a big trachea, big bronchioles, even their little or tubes are big enough that if they get a little mucousy, they they can handle it. But if it a little baby gets RSV, especially the preemies, they're the ones that have a terrible time because there's enough mucus to actually block airways, and so their oxygenation can dip significantly and potentially be dangerous. I don't want you to be scared of RSV, folks. I mean, if you have a extreme preemie, or a preemie, or newborn with significant heart or lung issues, yeah, stay away from it. Anybody that's sick. You know, it may not just be RSV, but influenza COVID, the whole list. And there's a long list of viruses, some bacteria that can cause lung infections, you don't want any of that if you are that vulnerable. And that's where you'll get a number of deaths every year from RSV. And it almost always ends up being people who have underlying high high risk those extreme preemies. People with heart lung problems. But yeah, RSV, I've known this since I was a pediatrician. 35 years ago, every winter, we see RSV, and rarely does anybody end up in the hospital. And really, you go to the hospital for one of two reasons. Either you can't drink anymore, you're so congested. You go to a nurse or take a bottle and your nose is plugged, it's congested. Now you plug in the mouth, they can't breathe. So they're just shoving gasping for air. So you go for IV hydration, or you go because you need oxygen, and actually had this great family in my practice from Italy. And they said, No respectfully Italian, I wish I could have done it in her accent. It leaves home without a pulse oximeter. This is the most important little tool you should all have at home. It works like this. Say it again. What is it, it's a pulse oximeter. It measures the oximeter blood just reads the oxygen in your blood. It can be hard to use on a newborn or a tiny infant, but you just push the start button, stick your finger in there on the red flashing light and hold still, and you start it starts to count the heartbeat boom. You have a 97 heartbeat, or no 9084 Well, you're relaxing. You're a little tense here to begin with, as I was but your actions 96 And that's not bad. normals, 97 to 100 I always knew you weren't normal.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  8:38  
Well, and I mean, it's I know that well. We're talking about RSV and everything I one of my questions is you've talked about it and children but I know with us being so exposed you were sick last week and I was is RSV something that affects adults, because I know everything you've been describing, I've been feeling and I know you've felt so.

Dr. Paul  8:57  
So yes, RSV will affect adults, but generally it's just a cold, okay, it could be a bad cold and RSV tends to last a little longer than most colds, your typical viral illness be at a cold or whatever the flu lasts for seven to 10 days. RSV peeks around day four to seven, and lasts for two to four weeks. And so I can't tell you how many patients I saw just this week, who had their kids have been sick for 1012 days, couple of them two, three weeks, and they're like frustrated to go do something. Well, that might just be the normal course of RSV or it could be you're absolutely right we are seeing more RSV, more COVID Well, definitely more influenza A and B actually all a so far in my practice in the last year interviewing me the day before I end my clinical practice in Oregon so I can speak as a clinician right now. We're just doing this interview a little early before we take a trip to speak but what I've been seeing in the clinic The last two three weeks, a huge number of positives for influenza A still getting positive COVID tests and plenty of RSV positive, it is actually happening. As they're saying on the news, I don't think it's nearly as scary as they make it out to be. Our news loves to be dramatic itself. But I'm not trying to minimize the fact that RSV and a preemie or an a very young infant who has heart conditions, you don't want that. But you don't need to be afraid of it. If you get adequate volumes of nutrition. So if you're a mama at home, breastfeeding, for example, you feed as much as you can, you tank that baby up as much as you possibly can, because that will keep them out of the hospital, right? Because they're hydrated enough, they're having enough wet diapers. Also, being able to get enough oxygen so that you don't have as much control over but you can certainly test it showed you the pulse ox that's something you can get on, you know, any pharmacy or online stores and have it at home to us. So you know, when you need to go to the hospital. If your baby is having a pulse ox close to 90, say 9192 or less. You should go be seen if you're if your doctor's office handles those sorts of things, as far as does go see your doctor, but oftentimes they don't you have to go to the hospital and just it may be that you need oxygen.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  11:19  
Okay. So with all of those things, it's November, did you know that

Dr. Paul  11:26  
it's almost the end of November?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  11:28  
So I don't remember seeing everything like this this soon. Can you speak to that? Because I know you've made a comment that normally it's December or January, I think when time you said owed peak is January, right? It's November.

Dr. Paul  11:40  
And in fact, it felt like we were peeking in early to mid November. And in some parts of the country. That's what happened. I saw a recent chart, I believe it was from the CDC, that went over the last many years of RSV influenza, and of course COVID. And what they showed was back in, up until 2019, we had a winter peak that was around December, January have RSV, influenza, and then it goes down by April or May it's gone. Every year you had that same peak 2021. No, RSV, no influenza, like, none. What, Where did it go, we're seeing anything, we weren't seeing anything. People weren't going to the hospital, they weren't going to their doctor's office, we were on lockdown for COVID. And the only testing that was being done for the most part was for COVID. And I remember we kept our office open the whole time. And I remember thinking what the heck Have they forgotten that there's a list of about 30 things that can cause fever, headaches, body aches, cough, but no, it was just COVID or otherwise. But they were tracking the data as we went started opening up. And you see this steady rise in RSV and influenza, not the spikes, like 2021. That winter, not the one we're entering. But the one before it was just a slow, steady rise, no peak. And I think that's just as as we saw more and more kids and kids were allowed to be together in schools, you start sharing these germs. But it's been a very abnormal sort of pattern. And I think it's just a function of one the quarantine and two. When you haven't been sick for two, three years and you haven't been mingling, you have two three years of babies being born for one thing whose immune systems have not been exercised at all. Right? So there, I mean, we used to see this with measles before the measles and chickenpox before the vaccines were introduced, especially measles every two, three years would be a big ol outbreak. And that's two or three years worth of newborns, who are up to now two or three years old, we've never had measles goes through the community. Now the immunity is good. And nothing for another two, three years. So we have those seasonal spikes. I don't know if that helps at all, but it's definitely

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  13:56  
different. And so that brings us to your child gets RSV you've told us what to look for. So let's talk fever though because that seems to be a big one. I've will even get emails on what fever and I always wonder I may not see the email for one or two days and I'm like, oh gosh, your child. Why are you why are you sending an email? So talk about fever. Okay, and in children in general, but even especially like right now RSV is affecting a lot of babies in our clinic. And people don't know when to go to the hospital.

Dr. Paul  14:25  
Yeah. You go to the hospital if you need fluids or oxygen, right. Or if you're close to needing it, you're unsure. If you have a good clinic where you can go to and they can assess oxygen, they can assess hydration. Go to your regular doctor before you end up with the ER ers or slash sickest kids fever on the other hand, thank you for bringing that to our attention. Fever is your friend. Fever at? Yup, fever helps your body knock out the virus we've been taught to be afraid of feet Ever. And it's it's the wrong teaching.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  15:02  
So do you think part of that fear comes because we hear? I mean, as a mom when my son was younger, I heard that if your child gets a, I think I heard 104 105 Fever, that fever can kill them. I heard that.

Dr. Paul  15:15  
Yeah. No, not at 104 or five. I think if you get 206, seven, you're in trouble. That's, that's even a thing. I have not seen it, honestly. Okay, so

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  15:27  
So let's talk about that 103 205 fever that we're seeing right now. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  15:31  
at 104 to five, your child will probably be delirious. And they're so out of it that you don't know if they've got meningitis, which is super rare, by the way. Or they've got a serious infection, right? That's making them just, yeah, not even be able to be responsive. So when it's that high, and they're delirious or not responding, well, you have to get it down as a diagnostic tool to see whether or not are they just delirious because they have a really high fever? If that's all in there, okay. So there's a really cool way of getting the fever down. How cool is it? Good, good. Oh, no pun intended, no pun intended. Well, you get a wet rag, or washcloth and you get it fairly damp. I mean, not dripping wet, but really moist. It could be slightly warm, because cold will shock the child, and you just pat all over their body and let that water evaporate. And it's called latent heat of evaporation. It just brings the fever down. And you can bring a fever down in five to 10 minutes. Like from 104 to 101. Like any age networks, probably haven't tried it on at all. They probably probably but

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  16:46  
it's usually an older child like

Dr. Paul  16:48  
I mean, you got more body surface area, the older they are, although,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  16:51  
can you put them in a bath because I've heard you can put a child and be alert,

Dr. Paul  16:55  
lukewarm to coolish bath that would probably do the same thing. But I think allowing that evaporation is what really works. Wow. Also, the the counter to that is if mom has a fever and she's breastfeeding and she's got skin to skin with their baby but she's hot. Baby can get hot. Right? And we've had that happen. Their baby feels hot, they don't really forget that they're a bit warm too, right? And they take take the baby's temp and if they're less than six, eight weeks old and they have over 101.4 You got to go to the hospital. So it's like you just create a situation you get there and they take the time it's normal. Well it was up because of skin to skin that happens right after birth to right if mom gets a fever from the work of labor, you can get pretty warm. Babies born with a fever but within an hour or two, it's normal. I digressed. What were we talking about fevers don't be afraid of it folks. Also you can get it down with like I said the the pat dry I am not a fan of acetaminophen that's brand name is Tylenol. What Tylenol acetaminophen does is it blocks your and acetyl cysteine NAC and N acetyl. Cysteine is the precursor sorry, it blocks glutathione glutathione is your major molecule for not only fighting the infection as a major antioxidant, but also for detoxifying. So when you block that pathway from an acetylcysteine NAC to glutathione with the acetaminophen, you're actually making your child or your patient more at risk for the infection. Which that makes no sense, right? So if if it's safe to use ibuprofen, if you have to use anything you would use that. It's not supposed to be used under six months of age. But if you got under six months of age, just do the pet thing anyway. Yeah.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  18:38  
So I'm gonna have you because you said it quite quickly. And I think it's really important. Please explain again, why Tylenol is dangerous to give your child to bring a fever down.

Dr. Paul  18:49  
So Tylenol, which is acetaminophen has a very narrow therapeutic window. And what that means is you need this much for it to work. But if you have this much, it's toxic, right? So it's very easy to get toxic. If you happen to be dehydrated, you can be toxic at these normal doses. And what are you when you're sick, you tend to be dehydrated. So it's it's really not a good thing to be giving at all. Probably shouldn't be over the counter. I think if they tried to bring that to market today, it would not make it it would have to be a prescription drug because of that risky nature of that narrow window, therapeutic window. In your body. We have all these metabolic pathways every cell can make glutathione which is a major antioxidant,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  19:36  
okay, major antioxidant in the house, something your body needs, your body

Dr. Paul  19:39  
needs that to fight infection. Okay, you've heard of vitamin C being helpful, especially when you're sick. That's an antioxidant. Glutathione and vitamin C are kind of working together. Okay, this one of them. It really does affect your ability to fight infection. So

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  19:54  
if those two things are helping fight infection, and you give something like acetaminophen and it blocks that That's, that's why it's not necessarily helpful. And again, if it reaches a top level, right, I just wanted to go through that slowly because I that's another question that I get asked constantly. Well, I've heard Doctor policy, you know, not to do acetaminophen or but yet every other doctor says, Give your baby tylenol to bring down a fever. So first thing

Dr. Paul  20:18  
they say it makes no sense. Okay. So I think if you have acetaminophen in your house, throw it away. Not not in the landfills. So hard. What do you what do you do with all these pharmaceuticals that you don't need? I know how to put them in the rivers and streams. I don't know if you want to bury them, because then they're going to end up there. So conundrum there are places to dispense IV meds safely, right? Yeah.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  20:38  
Okay. So these kids have cold viruses, no matter what it is, and they're sick. When a child and this is something that when I was responding back with somebody through emails, and explained, again, not giving any advice or anything, but explaining why you, you wouldn't say not to use acetaminophen, they said What's difficult is IV, the ibuprofen doesn't work as quickly. And then there'll be the child will be kind of, you know, doesn't look like they feel good. There'll be lethargic, kind of because of the fever. Isn't that okay? I think we get as parents we get concerned, I don't want my child to look sick. I don't want my child to be sick. But isn't the point is the ibuprofen will help that fever from becoming dangerous, but the body needs to fight the infection in order to get rid of it.

Dr. Paul  21:25  
So your this goes back to fevers your friend, okay? We're not anti fever. So okay, you know, as long as it's below 104, let's just use that as our cutoff, which is 40 degrees centigrade, 104 Fahrenheit, and your child is not lethargic and out of it. Right. If they're lethargic and out of it, you need to get that fever down, right to make sure they're in there, that they're okay. Right, that's

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  21:49  
when they give Tylenol, or I'm sorry, Sita monofin. That's when parents feel like they need

Dr. Paul  21:54  
to because they can't get it, get it down, right, sponge them down.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  21:57  
Okay. And I think that's what I'm, that's what I'm trying to say is I think that when the normal that we hear from our pediatrician and most pediatrician is you don't want your child to you know, you don't want them to look sick or be sick or feel sick or become lethargic. So to get that fever down, you give them Tylenol, and they feel better. I see that all the time with my friends even with their kids. So I guess that's not coming back to you. That's the whole point is there's other ways to do that. With the cold,

Dr. Paul  22:28  
wet cloth, let the water evaporate, you can probably get it down in 510 minutes, or for as long as necessary until the ibuprofen kicks in if you're needing to get it down. But here's the key I don't want people to miss and all this. We've been talking a lot about it. If you can get it down in your kid looks fine. You can let it go back up. Right, you already know they're fine. Maybe twice a day you bring it down enough to be sure they're still fine. Okay, right. Parent trick, if you've raised kids, and you gotta go to work, the next day you need your sleep, I would always dose with a dose of ibuprofen before I went to bed. Very selfish that way. Because it lasts for six to eight hours. And that's what a lot all I need for sleep is six or seven hours. So I got my sleep, I'm functioning the next day my kids slept better because they didn't have high fevers in the middle of the night. The trick you should not do that I'm guilty of was sometimes ibuprofen out the door so they don't have

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  23:19  
school. Oh my God. Now we know why there's so much fiction going around. So let's bring it back to influenza and COVID and all these things. Can your child get all three? That was another question. Of course theoretically, the same time.

Dr. Paul  23:37  
Theoretically you could. I have not ever seen that. Okay, so when I used to do those recipe paths and they were testing for about 30 Different organisms, which included a Coronavirus and influenza A and B and RSV. mycoplasma, rhinovirus, enterovirus. enteroviruses, you name it. Sometimes you would get two or three, right, but it was usually remember your swabbing the nose. Now, there's a lot of stuff going on in there. Not all of it is actually causing you problems. Oh, gotcha. You are colonized also with various organisms that are just living at peace in your little cesspool of your nose. So the fact that you grew more than one thing shouldn't be alarming. Okay. Generally it would be just one or two though, okay, and we know which things are more problematic. You're sicker with influenza, you're sicker with RSV. Early on COVID for high risk people was a concern. It isn't. It's so interesting. of the big three because I've been testing all three for the last few weeks in my clinic. The one I'm worried the least about as COVID Okay, when parents get a COVID Oh, yeah, that he was the least sick with COVID of all of the sicker with influenza A sicker with RSV sicker with some Things that aren't any of those three, right? So that fear of COVID can just go away. We don't need your COVID help anymore, we never needed it to begin with.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  25:11  
And, and with that you're referring to the vaccine because there are protocols, and there are things to deal with it. And what I've noticed in the clinic that I'd like you to address, and one of the people who emailed had actually just shared that they appreciated you saying that you didn't feel like this COVID shot for children would be helpful that especially those that got it in the last six months, the younger ones, that those kids, it could affect their immune system, the kids that a lot of the kids that we're seeing in a lot of my friends, kids that got the shot, they're really struggling the season with all of these other issues with influenza. One child is very, very sick with influenza, and they had had this shot, do you think that that's part of it? Is the kids even the older ones who are getting sick now that maybe wouldn't have because they had the vaccine? Do you think that has to do with an immune system?

Dr. Paul  26:03  
Absolutely. And I've had several guests speak to this, the vaccines in general, but the COVID jab in particular, really does a number on shifting your immune system into the make antibody side of the immune system. So away from your innate, inborn T cell immunity, if you will, and shifts it to B. So we're going to make antibodies, you've got to remember antibodies are the second line of defense, they're the backup, if, if an infection gets through and you become infected, it's only then that you make antibodies. And so shifting the making antibodies actually does some harm. Because now if you get re exposed to that disease, and it enters because your innate immune system, your T cell immunity is not working as well, which is what these shots are doing. You get a massive response. And this is this massive inflammation where I think we're seeing the myocarditis, but clotting problems, the adult Death Syndrome, people just dropping dead. It's a massive release of cytokines inflammatory and what have your immune systems on fire. And it's not natural. So the advice at this point for COVID jabs for sure going forward, No way No child should get them. And most of the really well informed doctors who are dealing with this are saying nobody, period.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  27:32  
Okay. Well, thank you for answering questions, again, most of them right now. And on the last one, we talked about polio, I think when so many things are going around. And he always talks openly and freely about these things. It's very helpful and very supportive. But I do think that it is a real fear for parents, and especially moms, we seem to be like, we don't want our kids to be sick. And when you listen to the news, and you see children outside of hospitals in these beds, because they're at capacity and all these things that are happening. That's a real fear. Yeah. So just a final note, what can you say to parents, for me, it's it's faith over fear, you just have to have faith over fear. What is it as a doctor?

Dr. Paul  28:17  
So I agree with faith over fear. But here's the great news, there are a whole host of things you can do. One to prevent even getting these infections. Number one on that list is vitamin D. Okay? If they had just given a care package to every citizen in the USA, for enough vitamin d3 With que tu maybe add a little magnesium and zinc to that we wouldn't have had an outbreak or epidemic at all, I'm pretty sure of that. So make sure your vitamin D status is optimal, not just normal, but optimal. And every good doctor I've talked to agrees with me that's 50 to 80 micrograms per liter, per milliliter, sorry. And that's the normal in the US measurement.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  29:04  
So you're not prescribing you're diagnosing No, no,

Dr. Paul  29:06  
this is just informational, run it by your clinicians. You can go to the FL CCC, the frontline Critical Care Alliance docs and actually pull out Dr. Paul Alexander substack recently put out a really comprehensive doc document about what you can do. They have the eye prevent protocol. I mean, it's like use mouthwash. You can use a nose spray, you can use Popova dine iodine spray, just make it dilute enough. So it's see through Brown and flush your nose twice a day. Whatever gets in there, whether it's COVID, flu, RSV, it's not getting past there, you're gonna knock it out, kill it on the spot before it enters your body. He's talks about vitamin D, zinc 20 to 50 micrograms per deciliter. Vitamin C 500. Twice a day. If you're an adult, you can go lower if you're younger. You can go way more if you can tolerate it. If you're older melatonin it actually is an antioxidant it helps reduce binding to the ACE receptors and Interesting enough, this same protocol that's been so successful with COVID actually works for RSV. Those two viruses actually have a lot of similarities. Elderberry, you've heard of it before, I would add elderberry. Just when you're sick, it's not something you need to take all the time. Same with resveratrol and quercetin. These help these zinc iontophoresis. It just, it allows your immune system be so much more robust. And believe it or not ivermectin at that point, two milligrams per kilogram, couple times a week will prevent infection from RSV COVID, probably influenza as well. And acetyl cysteine we talked about and then the last and hardest to get in the USA in the winter is sunlight. I hope you will do a lot of these things. Be prepared. And you don't need to be fearful. You can have incredible faith when you've also done your homework and you've prepared.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  30:50  
So keep sending in your questions every once in a while we'll have these little chats so that we can answer some of those questions for you. And I don't know if it's okay to say this or not. But upcoming because you've got one more shift as a medical doctor here in in Oregon, you're going to be doing some wellness coaching, to help with a lot of people who want to connect with you personally, and be able to really hear about how to advocate for yourself and your own health and your own wellness. So stay tuned.

Dr. Paul  31:24  
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DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  31:48  
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Dr. Paul  32:03  
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DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  32:06  
emotional, physical, and mental because all four of those areas are important.

Dr. Paul  32:14  
There you have it, folks. See you next time.

Welcome back to against the wind. Bernadette, it's always great to have you I understand today you're going to talk to us about the mindset of people in public health. I'm eager to hear what you've got to say.

Bernadette Pajer  32:32  
Yeah, thank you. Well, you know, it's so important when we're on this mission to to really understand what we're up against. Because, you know, the while there's some demons out there, as far as who know, bad products and bad policy, the majority, hundreds, literally hundreds of 1000s of individuals working in public health have good hearts, and they mean well. But their particular mindset has been directly influenced by really to use the term misinformation. So I wanted to share with you this paper that was published in The Lancet, it is an opinion piece. But it really gives insight into the mindset of people in public health. They want to control communicable infectious contagious disease. And so in this just this was published in April of 2022 in The Lancet vaccination and natural immunity, advantages and risks as a matter of public health policy. So you'll see here they looked at both, and they say although both methods, natural immunity and vaccination provide some level of immunization, they create substantially different concerns for policy and substantially different risks for the individual. As natural immunity requires becoming infected. Their contrast should consider medical science, including the relative protection offered by each pathway. However, the larger debate must also address practical and logistical issues when applying immunization requirements through public policy. So you know, you and I as individuals making our own health decisions, we're thinking about what's best for me, what's my individual risks? can I overcome the disease? Will I develop natural immunity? How long does it last? That's that's how we base our decision for ourselves and our families. Public health has to take this larger view of what can we control? What can we put in policy that we can find, and that we can control?

Dr. Paul  34:40  
Right. And I think you you brought up in the beginning a very important point. And this is true for how most doctors think as well, most MDs, were true trained, that vaccines are safe. And so we don't look at side effects. And we're trained that they're effective. When and Back certainly with the SARS cov. Two as a great illustration, the effectiveness is is horrendous.

Bernadette Pajer  35:06  
Yes, exactly it, it quickly goes to negative efficacy, which makes it absolutely not out not just useless but dangerous. So, so it's highlighted in the next thing I've got highlighted there it says For most the scientific evidence must be considered specific to SARS. cov to some results suggests that vaccine induced immunity is more effective. Other results suggest that natural immunity is more effective. So it's good. They're reading all the studies out there. Some findings estimate both as roughly equal, but then we get down to risk exposure is the first issue for public health to consider. Notably, each pathway to immunity exposes individuals to different levels of risk. People could have adverse reactions to vaccines, or severe outcomes due to infection. Well, that's absolutely agreed right. This is common sense discussion. But we then we get to the sentence adverse effects have been minimal for COVID 19 vaccines, how in the world unless they are living, which they apparently are in the bubble that considers everything published, it bears all of the science showing the dangers, the lipid nanoparticles, Emma RNA generated spike, you know, everything that we're seeing, how blind are they to

Dr. Paul  36:26  
the astounding, I mean, we know the increase huge signal and myocarditis, a whole new syndrome, adult Sudden Death Syndrome. I mean, you've seen athletes dropping dead on the soccer fields. And these are not isolated cases, the literature is full of the horrendous amount of side effects from this jab.

Bernadette Pajer  36:47  
Yes. And this segment is be the news, right? I'm trying to empower people. This shows that there is, you know, as much as we are censored, the people who are being blocked most from the information we know, are people in public health. So we must continue, you know, educating public health, eventually somebody will wake up and listen to what we're saying. So let's continue that. And then they go on to say that the SARS cov. SARS, cov to exposure, meanwhile, carries significant and well documented dangers. Well, that is somewhat true, but also misleading. And because SARS cov. Two holds dangerous if you don't have adequate levels of vitamin D, and zinc and glutathione. And if you don't have early treatment protocols at the ready to prevent severe disease, and these are things that public health is not even mentioning, they're not dealing with that is another avenue that must be opened up into public health. And then they talk about reliability. How do you build policy around people getting sick, you don't know if they get sick, you don't know if they get re exposed, and so they feel completely out of control. And I love the sentence here, vaccination uses the same formula each time the same dosage and with an identifiable date of vaccination. Winning immunity can be documented, documented with high reliability. natural immunity is highly variable by comparison. And public health people who are trying to set policy they don't like variability. They don't like individuality. They want one size fits all approach, whether it works or not.

Dr. Paul  38:39  
I'm smiling because okay, we've got data that the vaccine is not giving lasting protection. And while natural immunity, sure it is variable, but it's giving very long lasting protection. Who cares if it's one year or 30 years? That's a whole lot better than three to five months. That's all you get with the COVID jab.

Bernadette Pajer  38:59  
Yeah, if you get any at all, and if it all goes to negative and the risks, I mean, the thing is, you know what it is, it's just it's absurd. But but you know, you I sent the earnestness and these individuals because they're having conversations that need to be public. I would love to have people on stage, having this dialogue and then presenting the science on each side, because this is really important. And then sustainment is the third and again, boosters for natural infections are more difficult to coordinate. Well, especially if the booster is natural exposure. Right, which is how colds and flus generally build immunity. You only typically get if you're not being exposed to vaccine products, the flu like maybe every decade or 20 years, because every exposure then makes you more resilient for many years forward and then it changes enough that then you you know, you might get symptomatic disease after certain point, but you can't control natural boosters. But you can control when you're going to give those boosters to the public if you've got a program. And so that's the mindset that control the paternalistic control. You know how? So Dr. Paul, how do we help public health let go of their fear of not being in control. They only have this fear over vaccine targeted infections, you don't hear the panic and lack of control over the common cold,

Dr. Paul  40:38  
or the hundreds or 1000s of infections that we don't have a vaccine for. There's no concern for those. I would say, as I listened to you presenting this, and it rings true this is this is how doctors and public health officials think and in fact, government officials who are helping set policy that they shouldn't be involved with. But anyway, they don't understand natural immunity, they don't understand the data. So it seems to me and you're more involved with going to legislatures, and, you know, trying to give people good information. But it seems like the only way forward is to present good information. So where can people go to get that good information?

Bernadette Pajer  41:22  
Yeah, well, you we need good information. We need to continue to educate the legislators and public health, but it's going to come from the individuals, when enough of the population knows the truth about each individual that can product, real health, early treatment, sustaining health, all of that, then there's going to be all this non compliance with policy. Right? So all of these educational avenues have to come forward. And where do you get good information? Well, you get it from Dr. Pol. You get it from Children's Health defense, who links you to good science and good doctors, you get it from the FL CCC, the frontline critical care COVID-19, critical care specialists are going to have to change their name eventually in tic COVID out of there, because they're branching into flu and RSV. Now, it's wonderful, what they're doing. To help people understand how you can protect yourself from severe disease from other infections. You go to your trusted health care provider, somebody who's aligned with you and understanding how brilliant your God given immune system is to protecting you.

Dr. Paul  42:35  
And I would add, when we say trusted healthcare provider, we are really talking about, as you said, Someone aligned with your beliefs. But let's say you're watching this and you're not sure where you stand on vaccines, you at least want a doctor who's willing to let you be in charge in charge. You're allowed to be the decision maker about what happens as you get informed. Because too many doctors are just you do it my way are out the door. Yes, paternalism that was gone back when I was in medical school, they were saying that's the worst kind of medicine. And yet, that's what we're going back to at least when you're talking about vaccines and pharma products.

Bernadette Pajer  43:07  
Well, yeah, we're going back to that. But it's it's less an attitude that kind of came with the profession and the white coat and I can do this kind of thing. It's it's worse than that, because it's coming top down, where major entities are telling doctors what they can and cannot do or say we've got that law in California, silencing doctors, we've got the oh, that starts with an F the Federation of medical boards, that is telling nurses, doctors, all practitioners what they can and cannot say and do.

Dr. Paul  43:47  
Yeah, they sent out that letter last year to all the boards, basically stating that if doctors are not following the approved narrative, they are participating in disinformation and you should consider taking their license. So it's it's incredible pressure on doctors, if you're trying to support your family, and you don't know anything else. I mean, I I remember when I was first realizing I could lose my license, which of course now I have thinking, wow, how would I support my family? And when I was younger, it was a real factor in me staying a little silent about what I knew I shared the truth with my patients, but I wasn't out there on blast trying to tell the world. Yeah, because of the consequences. At this point, I don't care about the consequences. So yeah, let's go and let's let the world know what's really going on. Listen to people who have nothing to lose,

Bernadette Pajer  44:37  
listen to people who exactly right and and two things should give you hope. Well, one is more and more people are joining you, Dr. Paul. And we really are at that point of medical history of health history where everybody who has something to risk and is being threatened needs to stand up because if everybody rises together, then you You all will be heard, they can't silence you all. And we can take this back. So that's really important. And there is a growing parallel health system being developed. Dr. Pierre Korea's Got an online medical service. Now, there's the wellness company, Dr. Peter McCullough and others have founded this. And there's, there's multiple numbers, we should do an episode sometime and gathering more and more. And, you know, at first, it's going to be difficult, because, you know, they're not a lot of these places aren't taking insurance, and it's going to be an out of pocket expense. And eventually, we have to find a way that, you know, anybody can go to them, even, you know, not being cost prohibitive. But in the meantime, if you can afford it, support these parallel medical systems that are that are going forward

Dr. Paul  45:53  
that represent we will need parallel insurance products that will cover Yeah, alternative a parallel system. And it's, we're working on this, folks. If you are a health care professional, and you're in feeling you're in this bind of I'm going to lose my career, or destroy my career, but you you know what you need to be doing, I would just urge you to do it, you need to do anyway. Because if you don't think about the magnitude of stress, internal, it's just, if you're living from your soul at all, if you're connected at all, to spirit, you can't do it. I mean, so you have to disconnect. And where does that take you? So grab hold of the truth, grab hold of the knowledge that you already have. And don't be shy, be bold, stick to the truth because it wins in the end. And we're real close, folks. If the House of Cards is going to fall apart, and it's coming quickly.

Bernadette Pajer  46:50  
Yeah. You made me pretty emotional with that. Dr. Paul, amen. I hope everybody's listening and take see. Thank you. Thank you, Bernadette.

Dr. Paul  47:06  
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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Paul Welcome to against the wind doctors and science under fire. Today's show I interview attorney Ryan Heath, He is father to two kids. He is a civil rights activist and the founder of a nonprofit, the gavel project, fascinating work he's doing, you're going to want to learn everything you can about this. This is about fighting, unethical government and employer mandates. It's about protecting the freedoms of all Americans, and especially children. He even goes into teaching children about civil disobedience, for example, how to not wear a mask when you're being required by schools to wear a mask. He's basically standing for our human rights and deciding what enters into your body. That should be your decision, not the government, not the school, not the public health officials, not your doctor, your decision. We wrap this up with Bernadette who gives you some ideas for holiday gifts. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart, I wanted to touch on something that I've struggled with and that's consciousness, to really be able to see truthfully and fully. I actually needed the confidence that there was a love greater than myself. That's really key for me, to really be able to look inside. Actually, the more opportunities I've had to struggle, when I look at those struggles with humility and honesty, it's only then that I feel like I've had a chance to gain in wisdom, gain and humility and compassion. Darkness cannot overcome light. And so if each of us will be that light, and lead with love is going to be amazing, folks. I'm Dr. Paul.

welcome Ryan Heath, you are the father of two young children, a civil rights activist and the founder of the gavel project. And we're gonna deep dive into that.

Ryan Heath  2:09  
I don't know a lot about what you're doing other than the fact that you're fighting for unethical government invasion into our lives, fighting employer mandates and trying to protect the freedoms of Americans, especially children. As a pediatrician, that means a lot to me. Tell our audience a little bit about yourself. I know you're an attorney in Arizona, I believe, and you have young children, but give us the overview. Yeah, so we actually connected through doctors, Tim and Mae Hindmarsh, who are good friends of mine and my wife, I'm I just turned 30. I'm an attorney from Arizona got a couple of kids, as you mentioned. But last year, when Gavin Newsom decided he was going to be requiring the COVID-19 vaccine as a contingent precedent for kids to get an education, California, I told my wife who was seven months pregnant time that I was quitting my job. And I was starting a nonprofit to go after quote, unquote, the bad guys, as I told my daughter as well, that's kind of how I define things. And basically, we're, we're an anti woke organization, we're here to restore normalcy in American society. I was a law student during January of 2020. And I had the blessed opportunity to actually go and sit in a class that was being taught by Justice Alito of the United States Supreme Court on constitutional interpretation, I was one of 16 students selected from my school to go be a part of that. And during that process, obviously COVID-19 was was kicking off over on the other side of the world. And it was just a unique set of circumstances that led me to this position. I have a troubled past when I was 17. I got in all sorts of trouble and was always a hard headed kid, one of those ADHD kids that never really paid attention or fit in and ended up getting sent away. Because I was so defiant. My parents and I lived in the woods for two months, went to therapeutic boarding school and I happen to be around a lot of people that today would be preyed upon, in many ways, by by physicians, unfortunately, and by practitioners of medicine who are trying to change these children from let's say, boys and girls and girls into boys. Those are the types of issues that our nonprofit takes on and basically, I'm an attorney, I'm a creative person, and I help come up with arguments and set up lawsuits even. Meaning I help teach kids to disobey unconstitutional mandates, and then fund lawsuits and fundraise for the those kids to have pro bono legal representation. So we actually pay attorneys to represent people. Wow. And that's sort of what you're doing with the gavel project. Exactly. Yeah. So we're an anti woke five oh,

One C three public charity that is here to reestablish normalcy in America through strategic litigation. And much of what we did. Most of my time over the past year. It's been about a year since I started this it was October of 2021 is been spent going around and teaching kids how to disobey their schools mask mandates out in California actually, basically emptied my life savings and sold the vehicle and did all that fun stuff to be able to afford airfare and hotels to go around and meet with parents and kids. And we actually had a successful protests up in the Thomas the kids got to go back to school without masks on before Governor Newsom lifted his mandatory guidelines, as he called them. And we have a bunch of lawsuits that were based on that that, you know, weren't as successful. We had a kid up and Capistrano Unified School District, young, young, 16 year old boy that actually went so far as to protest three days in a row, he was suspended. He was quote, unquote, suspended by the district, he went back to class was actually sneaking into school, I was sitting outside the High School on the hill above the school and teaching him like, hey, sneak into school, go do this, go do that. Because we believe so strongly that these these mandates are unconstitutional. And in fact, he invited the police to arrest him each day that he was there when they showed up because he had been suspended. And he was refusing to leave campus. So he was trespassing. And they did nothing. ended up giving him a civil trespassing ticket on the third day at the behest and that the request of the school which is not a criminal issue, so we're fighting all of that now. We're, we've raised 10s and 10s of 1000s of dollars and spent 10s and 10s of 1000s of dollars on attorneys fees. And we've been on Fox News we've been on Newsmax we're all over the place, but we're still sort of lesser known and getting our name out there now.

Dr. Paul  6:53  
Yeah. Sending that kid into school and protesting and rebelling in that way, reminds me a little bit of my childhood. I grew up in Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe. And when I was the head boy of our elementary school, it was my role to raise the Rhodesian flag, which I my parents and I, we were freedom fighters. So we were against this illegal government, I refused to raise the flag, they, the school sort of put me in lockdown in a separate room and got some other kids to raise the flag. So that's just a little, we have a lot of similarities. In our past, I got kicked out of high school. I'm not undiagnosed, but for sure, ADHD, I got a lot of energy. We need to put this energy to use. I'm curious, give, give our viewers more detail on, you know, what does that look like? When I mean, you, you, you went to California, this wasn't your hometown? How do you organize a protest like that? I mean, this this is civil rights sort of stuff. And, and the current government is certainly infringing on our civil rights. Yeah, it

Ryan Heath  8:07  
certainly is. And so I guess what you're asking is how the strategy worked into application when it came to the civil rights protests. So as someone who went to Regent University School of Law, I was blessed to have a very focused education on constitutional law, it's one of the only law schools in the country that has an entire year dedicated to constitutional law, not just one semester, you focus for an entire year on that subject. And we also have a number of, of elective courses that focus on that as well. And that's because the person who runs that school is named Pat Robertson, if you're familiar with Pat, he runs the Christian Broadcasting Network. And defending civil liberties. Defending Freedom of religion in particular is his bread and butter. That's what he cares about most. And so that's why I have this this background in constitutional law. And I realized from my training and from my studies in law school, I was actually a newer attorney. Obviously, I graduated in 2020. I took the COVID bar with a with a mask on unfortunately, I didn't really have any other options. But because of my background in this, I realized that refusing to wear a mask is actually protected as free speech under the United States Constitution. And that's the case for a number of reasons. First, the Supreme Court going back to all these cases from from Johnson v. Texas, dispense v. Washington, and there are a number of others as well, including West Virginia V. Barnett, et cetera. But these cases basically stayed and it's very clear, you as a citizen have the right to engage in what's called expressive conduct. And it's not just that the First Amendment free speech clause protects your words they actually protect your actions as well under certain circumstances. And the Supreme Court said back in the use cases, this line of cases, basically, so long as anyone looking at a citizen who is taking an action would understand that action to be inherently communicative, then the action is actually protected as free speech. That's why you can go to a park and burn an American flag and there can't be an ordinance preventing you from doing so as compared to, let's say, burning just a standard white flag in the park, you actually could be criminally prosecuted for doing that. And the reason is, because if you see someone burning an American flag, you have certain connotations tied to that action, people looking at you taking the action of burning a flag, we're going to understand that you're engaged in an act of protest, you don't agree with the values that are, let's say, inherent in the flag, whereas if you were burning a white flag, no one would understand that to have any inherent meaning. And so that we see this today in the phrase COVID theater, people are very familiar with this, if you say, Oh, this is COVID theater, usually the idea comes to your head is you have someone in airport wearing to, you know, surgical masks going through, let's say TSA security, and you know that there's nothing effective or useless. It's just, there's no point of that, it doesn't make any sense. And so in the inverse, the same is true by removing your mask when you're told you're required to do so you are sending a very clear message, you're sending a message of protest, you are sending a message of let's go brand. And for example, I'm not going to agree with what it is that you are trying to compel me to accept. And that actually is protected as well. And there are a number of cases saying that you can't have your conscience violated by the government, your decisions, when it comes to your bodily autonomy are very profound decisions, let's say like political decisions can't be compelled, the government can give you all the characters in the world to point you in the right direction, but they can't use a stick. And so my idea basically was to teach these kids to do what Rosa Parks did sit in, class take off their masks refuse to leave, and call their bluff. And we did that a number of times from Coronado Island all the way up to Sacramento. And now we're funding lawsuits all over that state. And in addition to another number of other matters, as well, we're getting into child sex trafficking cases where the government has been engaged in basically eviscerating parental rights, because children don't want to have or let's say, be called a certain pronoun that's actually happening here in the United States. And we're jumping into that battle as well, because you shouldn't have your kids taken away from you for calling them by their legal sex, which is what's on their birth certificate. And the fact that some people seem to think that's child abuse means that those people are engaged in what I believe to be nefarious activities and then need to be punished.

Dr. Paul  12:55  
This is really exciting. Actually, I am dead set against masks for the way they're being used, you know, to, quote protect you from a virus, when we know the size of the virus particle is so much smaller than the air spaces between the fabric. It just is nonsensical. And it's very harmful I believe to children, I'm, I'm all about putting kids first I'm a pediatrician. I did protest I, I didn't know all the legal stuff you've just shared. So now I'm going to be much more bold about you know, this is going to come again, this this first wave of COVID masking and isolation and quarantine was was a way to see if we can get people to do that. Okay, so it sort of worked is my sense. They instilled a lot of fear. And we have to fight back. And I think you've just presented the legal grounds by which it's, as you put it, freedom of expression is an extension of freedom of speech. And so we can encourage our kids to go into classrooms without their mask, even if the school is requiring it. And we can turn to you to back us up legally. I imagined.

Ryan Heath  14:10  
Exactly. We're actually we filed a lawsuit on these grounds in San Diego Superior Court. We have a young girl there who is 16 years old who is barred from attending class for something like I believe it was six weeks and you can check the actual filing on our website. That's the gavel project.com You can see the lawsuit. It's up there if you want to take a look. But I mean, it was so cold outside every day. They basically their policy was because she didn't want to wear a mask just to kick her out and put her out in the cold. It should wear a battery operated jacket to school each day to stay warm. They just stuck her outside. They put her on Zoom and said this is good enough. They their policy was to exclude her which is illegal. And yes the gavel project is that organization that actually went out took a stand. I don't believe there are any other organ as Asians in the nation, someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that, that actually went out and led free speech protests for the purpose of setting up strategic litigation. And we have the capacity right now based on that lawsuit alone, to set a precedent nationally based on the First Amendment. So that masking never happens again, and we've got four or five those cases.

Dr. Paul  15:20  
Well, folks, just based on that alone, we need to support your work. I mean, this is secure, you set a precedent, and that starts changing everything. And so you're already in the process of doing that. How can people support you?

Ryan Heath  15:39  
Yeah, so if you want to support the work we're doing, please go to our website, the gavel projects.com. We are a public charity 501 C three, we are tax exempt and you can get make tax deductible donations right there on our website. If you want to to fund anything in particular, though, I would encourage you to reach out to me at inquiries at the gavel project.com. We have all sorts of issues from the trans transition of children to to medical freedom for masking to employees being terminated wrongfully for for vaccination status, things like that, and as well as the prep act. So if there's anything that is on someone's heart in particular that they want to see change in society, please feel free to reach out to me we do have a process for application on our website, as well. So if there's anyone out there that feels they have a strong case that they want considered for representation, I would encourage you to go to the gavel project.com/contact. But we definitely need support. My wife and I have been the primary funders of this movement since the inception in last October.

Dr. Paul  16:46  
Wow. Well, thank you for starting the gavel project. If you haven't the time, I want to pick your brain a little bit. I don't get to talk to brilliant 30 year olds very much what's going on in the world? What's your take on this?

Ryan Heath  17:00  
Well, it's it's money. Follow the money. So one of the things that I discovered that I wrote about early on this was in December of last year was that there is a an apparent issue with the way that our university endowment funds are set up in this nation. And so if you rewind a little bit back to like 2007 2008, there was this shift in the way that our loan structure for college education was happening, they went from providing loans to those in need, and based on merit to everyone gets a college loan now. And they're non dischargeable in bankruptcy. All right around that same time, these these universities all adopted this Yale Model. And what that means is that they created nonprofit affiliate organizations, even the public schools did this, that were to manage their university endowment funds. And for people who don't know what an endowment fund is, I'll give you a brief definition, basically, think of a giant pile of money that is put together for the purpose of investing it and then using the revenues from that investment to fund certain activities. And so, around that time, all of these these universities set up these endowment funds, and I'll use the University of Virginia as an example. They set up what's called the University of Virginia investment management company, or UVM. CO for short. And this is a standard practice, basically, across all colleges now. And so what we had and I found this out accidentally, I want to sue UVA for dis unrolling the 253 students or so, a week before school started last year for their vaccination status. And I was doing research on on the university and I found out basically they have this organization that is run by BlackRock, Deutsche Bank, Bain Capital, and all bad guys on Wall Street are sitting on the board of this university endowment fund, along with high level University executives, which is the issue because if you think about the way that our medical structure in the United States is set up, those are the bosses of all of the medical professionals in the country. And if you have bosses of all the medical professionals in the country sitting on the board with a bunch of Wall Street bankers, what do you think was going to happen when COVID came? They have a fiduciary duty to grow the principal of the Endowment Fund, and you control all of the people who can make your investments if you were to shift things pay off without question, and that appears to be what happened. If you look at the return on investments for these, these nonprofit affiliate institutions for all eight Ivy League schools, they all between 2019 2020 fiscal year had average returns three and a half percent or less around that number. Funny thing is the next year Are they all have multibillion dollar returns, every single one of the eight Ivy League institutions, you can check this it's legit. You Venco went from a $9.9 billion endowment fund to I believe it was $14.5 billion in one year. And they you can see because the the principal the the actual way they invest their money, even though they're a public institution that is controlling this nonprofit affiliate organization, it's technically public money, they claim that the way they're investing is proprietary information, you can't get your can't get access to the exact way that these funds are invested. But that's the problem right there is you have a conflict of interest, you have university executives that control all of the public health experts and actually employ them sitting on the board with Wall Street bankers all across the nation. I mean, this is not just the Ivy League schools, it's happened everywhere. And it's the biggest story no one's ever talking about and they, what the pure appears to me took active steps to stoke fear porn and utilize that that control of the medical sector to make sure their investments paid off.

Dr. Paul  21:17  
Take me into a boardroom. So I'm a little dense i It all makes sense vaguely to me. But think of me as a, I don't know, 10 year old and explain what what's happening in the boardroom that makes this all flow like that?

Ryan Heath  21:33  
Well, the boardroom, if you think about this, they're controlling, almost like a hedge fund, the private hedge fund for the university, and they have all these investments, and they're picking and choosing how the investments are going to be held. The way that those investments are going out into the world is proprietary information. So we as taxpayers don't have access to how they're actually putting this money into the into capital investments. And they their job, I mean, that's all they do is to grow the principle. And so if you have a fiduciary duty, meaning that you have a heightened legal duty above what you would have as a normal person, because you're talking about a nonprofit organization, and that's your job, as a board member of a nonprofit is to act as a fiduciary for the nonprofit, you of course, are going to do whatever you can to grow the value of the principal, the money yours. That's That's your job. That's what your duty is. And go ahead.

Dr. Paul  22:30  
So are you suggesting then they would channel funds into, let's say, Pfizer and moderna and then also roll out? You know, vaccine mandates so that, you know, we're propping up the the profit profitability of those pharmaceutical cuts. Exactly.

Ryan Heath  22:47  
Correct. Yes, that's exactly what I'm sort of suggesting happened. And I believe it's the biggest story in in America that no one's talking about right now.

Dr. Paul  22:55  
Yeah, I thought that's what you were saying. And you just hadn't quite put it in those words. Yeah, I have nieces and nephews who are in college. And the pressure to to get the vaccine is I mean, they all succumbed. It was it was like they wouldn't be able to enroll in school, and they've put their whole dreams into, you know, this is where I want to go kind of thing. It's tragic.

Ryan Heath  23:20  
Yeah. And in, people don't realize as well, you can refuse to comply with a vaccine mandate on the grounds of free speech also. And the reason for that is the same reason that the government can't compel you to stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance. You as a student have the right this was actually a Supreme Court case decided in 1943, called West Virginia V. Barnett. And if you think about the context, there were, you know, right around World War Two, national nationalism is a huge issue in America, we want to make sure as a nation that we're promoting nationalism, patriotism, all of these ideals. And in that case, the Supreme Court analyzed the situation for these kids that were Jehovah's Witnesses that didn't want to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. And they sat in an act of protest and were punished because of it. There was actually an ordinance requiring participation put in place by the school board. And the Supreme Court analyzed the situation they said, look, the United States flag has certain inherent meanings and connotations tied to it, ideals of patriotism, love for country, not all of these ideals that come to mind immediately. And by requiring a student to stand up and participate in the Pledge of Allegiance, you would, in effect, put that student in a position where their actions to any reasonable observer, this is a free speech issue again, would would show that they are accepting by participating the ideals underlying are inherent in the flag. And the same can be true for a vaccination ceremony. I have the right as a citizen if I'm, let's say attending a state institution, not a private institution because we're talking about constitutional issues here and only He applies to state institutions. As a citizen, I have the right to refuse to participate in that useless ceremony, which we know I mean, there's in the last few weeks alone, the entire narrative for the reason behind vaccinating the public and vaccine mandates has fallen completely apart. And in this case, now, it becomes even stronger, because if there is no efficacy, if there is no reason to require this, they're basically requiring you to participate in a religious ceremony. It's a dogmatic ceremony the same as the Pledge of Allegiance. And therefore you actually have the right to refuse to comply with a vaccine mandate. I outlined this argument, it's on my website as well. I attempted to intervene in the bent key ventures. That's the daily wire case, when they sued OSHA last year as an amicus curiae, I in the Sixth Circuit. And my my brief as, as amicus curiae, was actually denied by the Sixth Circuit without explanation. And as someone who had just quit his job and was relatively new and into this world didn't really have any, any help or guidance, I let it go. And I kind of regret that now. I wish I had pushed back and actually asserted myself and made the argument on behalf of that institution. Because I believe wholeheartedly now, that is a winning argument. And that's where we have to rest our hat as citizens of a free country, because if we don't, freedom is lost, Liberty is dead, if you don't have the right to make a conscientious objection to a vaccine mandate, as a citizen, meaning that they are permanently changing your body. What is free, you don't have bodily autonomy, you have nothing. Absolutely agree.

Dr. Paul  26:47  
This is this is a line in the sand that, you know, we have to draw this line, you have to maintain bodily integrity. The government can't just at will inject whatever they want. And you have no choice. But that's where we're headed, isn't it?

Ryan Heath  27:01  
Yeah, I mean, we're already somewhat there. It's a death by 1000 cuts with the way that the Reagan administration adopted the first vaccine liability shields for the pharmaceutical industrial complex back in the 80s. Until now, it's just they've been rolling, step by step. You know, little step here a little step there to take away your rights, the point where they could argue in today's day and age, well, we've mandated vaccines for X, Y, and Z. So why can't we mandate this vaccine? Well, the difference is you changed the definition of the word vaccine back in November of 2021. Because this isn't a vaccine, it doesn't provide immunity never did. We knew that now. And Pfizer admitted it the other day. They never tested this on on stopping transmission. It was all I

Dr. Paul  27:50  
Yeah, so we have that are the COVID. But let's go to the childhood vaccination schedule that 1986 the childhood immunization act that you referred to. You're an attorney, why can't we get that thrown out?

Ryan Heath  28:05  
Well, I think the biggest issue right now is the prep act. And that's what I would say how we have the strongest argument from a constitutional perspective to challenge as far as the the lowest hanging fruit. I think that is it. And I'm not going to go into into the details of that yet. I have been drafting an argument for the prep act for quite a while. And I don't wish to share that with the world. But there is a constitutional basis. And you have to think about it this way. And I'll just kind of make an analogous argument. You have a right to control your property. And your body in many ways it is property. In fact, we recognize children as property. And in many respects, when you're talking about legal disputes, custody disputes between parents, you're talking about property rights to control the health safety upbringing of your child, those are interests that you have a right to, they're called choosers of action. In some some respects. Basically, if someone breaches your interest as the opposing parent, you can bring a cause of action against that person for let's say, damages, or for injunctive relief. And so there is inherently a property interest in some way in your body. And that's where we're going to catch her argument. And I believe that there are a lot of ways to take on the prep act. And I would love for other attorneys as well to reach out to me if they are interested in filing this lawsuit. I don't need the glory. I don't need to be first chair. That's not my role. Anyway, I've tried two cases in my entire life because I'm just a second year attorney. And I know my limitations. What I'm really good at is coming up with unique new arguments to help take on these issues. And I'd be happy to work in the background with any group on these types of cases.

Dr. Paul  29:51  
That sounds really important for our viewers just remind them what in the prep act is so problematic for us.

Ryan Heath  29:58  
Yeah, so the Um, the prep Act was passed following the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centers. And it was a continuation of the Patriot Act, a lot of people don't seem to understand the way that this works. The prep Act basically states that the the Secretary of Health and Human Services has the capacity to declare based on whatever he wants, essentially, or she wants, that there is an emergency situation. And based on that emergency situation, if that is the case, they can grant liability protections to manufacturers of certain emergency use authorized products, to quell the emergency, so long as the products might have a tendency to reduce the threat. Basically, that's sort of this is a paraphrasing, but that's the standard. And this this act provides complete liability protection to basically anyone within the chain of distribution from the manufacturer to the pharmacy down the street that actually gives out the shot, such that if you are injured by an emergency use authorized vaccine, like the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, you cannot recover in monetary damages against any of those entities. And so this is a this is a federal statute. And the only way to overcome a federal statute is to go to a superior law, which is the United States Constitution. And that's why it's important to support organizations like mine, the gavel project, which is a constitutional law firm. Well, I guess we're not a law firm. We're a public charity that hires attorneys for the benefit of our applicants. And so yeah, I mean, that's, that's where you have to go. It's all constitutional. You can't fight this any other way.

Dr. Paul  31:56  
Yeah. Thank you for that clarification, folks. If if they declared an emergency, which they can do it at whim, you know, for no reason, or pre planned reason, then the pharmaceutical companies have zero liability, which is true for the childhood vaccines. And it's true for the COVID jabs. If you get injured, you are really on your own. And this is why people who are watching who've had an injury. You all know you get shunned you all of a sudden, nobody wants to talk to you. It's like, You're the problem. But wait a minute, you took one for the team. It's a crazy system. If I'm a pharmaceutical company, and I can get a vaccine, whatever definition you want to use, but get it called to be a vaccine and get it on the childhood immunization schedule, you got guaranteed profit with zero liability. I mean, what a goldmine, right. So this is the big rush, and why I think the vaccine schedule has gotten so compressed. Brian, what do you what do you think about the regular childhood schedule prior to the COVID?

Ryan Heath  33:01  
Well, it's an interesting question coming from you, my wife has read your book, and we actually read it before our first daughter going through and actually followed your method of spacing out the vaccinations for her, you know, I'm not educated enough on this topic to really comment on it. I've been vaccinated, my oldest daughter has been, I know that what we were sold when it came to the mRNA technology is a huge leap from these attenuated non attenuated type vaccines of trying to stimulate immunity and actually provide immunity for the subject disease or for the the target disease, which is not the case here, you're simply trying to provide or stimulating response that might provide immunity in these these new technologies. So I would say that I don't really have a whole lot to comment on the specifics of the prior vaccines, but um, you know, I think people should have the capacity to make whatever decisions they want with their bodies. I'm 100%. Pro choice when it comes to bodily autonomy. And I believe that the government has no interest despite the a large a large body of case law to the contrary, that I believe is unconstitutional and invalid. saying the opposite. You know, the one of the cases that I take issue with is Washington, the glucksberg, which is basically the case saying that the state has an interest in keeping individuals alive despite their own decisions. I'm an absolutist when it comes to this determination. So if your bodily autonomy and if someone is in an old someone is is very old and in a terrible position, and they're in pain every day, that person should be able to make the choice to take their life with the right precautions in place to make sure that that physicians aren't going around practicing eugenics on hopeless people. In this case decided by the supreme court basically said, no, no, you as a citizen don't have absolute bodily autonomy. In fact, the state's interest in your potential, even productivity or potential benefit to the state outweighs your capacity as a citizen to make ultimate decisions like that. I think it's gross, I think it's a FAR Deviation from from what is true liberty. And I think we need to take a step back and really think about, even if the the ideas are a bit ugly, sometimes the concept of what is true about about freedom and what sort of society we want to live in, because some of these decisions, like glucksberg have a slippery slope. And we can see that coming out today, we actually see glucksberg being referenced in to as far as the degradation of parental rights now, it is one of the primary cases that is cited in California, in a case called Palmdale, up something I forget the name of the individual is the early 2000s case, that basically said that parents have zero interests in the upbringing of their children. And this is a Ninth Circuit decision. So it's it's crazy, and glucksberg, I believe, was the start of all of that.

Dr. Paul  36:18  
So well, you touched on something that I wanted to ask you about. And that's the parental rights. And I was trying to get there with my question about the childhood vaccine schedule, I didn't know that you had read my book, I wasn't trying to plant

Ryan Heath  36:31  
that side. And personally, my wife has, and and so I can't claim

Dr. Paul  36:35  
what I was getting at was, you know, if parents don't have a right to decide what's done to their children with regards to their health care, and in this specific example, vaccines, then they've lost the right to bodily integrity, which you're fighting for so hard. And I think it's so important. If parental rights are slipping, which I feel like they are, we have these situations that come up where the child protective services will rush in and take a kid from the parent, because they're not doing what the state wants them to do what the state deems as the right medical decision. And that's even happened in some states and in parents who choose not to vaccinate, and they get their kids taken away. Where do we go with that legally?

Ryan Heath  37:25  
Yeah, the solution in many respects is legislative, there is a legislative solution to that. To pass laws at the local and state level, allowing you to bring claims for causes of action against individual state actors that take away your your your property interests and your children. As well as the fact that we as a society just need to stand up and say no more. There are plenty of ways to take on those issues. In fact, our organization is stepping into that role right now with a case where a young girl was taken away from from her legal guardian, because the legal guardian did not use the proper pronouns. And there were school counselors that came out and testified, claiming that this was child abuse. And then the defense attorney as well, basically stating this, this is child abuse, you can't give this this child this young girl who happens to have assisted by the way, which which is the vast majority of children with early onset gender dysphoria, end up going back to their original sex, because that's just the way that this plays out over time. And we have evidence to back that it's between 60 and 90%, based on every single study that's ever been done on the issue. So, you know, in the same way, I would say that there is a dark interest in the medical field a financial stake in all of these issues from vaccine vaccinations being required to allowing individuals to brainwash children into believing they are the opposite sex and based on that termination, making decisions and giving children the capacity to make decisions at a age before they have the full understanding of the situation so that they have permanent damage to their bodies. I tweeted the other day, and I would encourage folks to follow me on Twitter. I'm at Ryan underscore, l underscore Heath, and at the gavel project as well. But you know, a patient cured as a customer lost a child broken as a customer gained. And there was a report from the AMA president the other day that went up on their website, talking about the dangers of disinformation and the need for individuals to step in the from the government to crack down on disinformation, particularly when it comes to people like yourself speaking out against these issues, and that the president of the AMA went so far as to say basically make the comparison between the dangers of misinformation with respect to COVID-19. And the vaccination has didn't see. And now the same is true with children who need gender affirming care. And I see a correlation right there actually believe that proves a point that I've been saying for a long time, which is these interests, the LGBTQ plus gender affirmation crowd, the Trans activist crowd and the COVID-19 vaccination. Let's call them the COVID regime crowd, all have the same objective in mind. And that's why when I go around speaking at school board meetings all over the country, and different board of supervisors meetings for local county levels, I see the same people advocating for both policies, and its special interest dark money under the surface funding individuals to go around and make these arguments and try to create a facade of support for something that is not widely supported by the general public. And it's it's effective. i There's I started a podcast recently, it's on rumble. I would encourage folks check it out as well. We are at the gavel project, all one word. And I expose the connections between the World Economic Forum and BlackRock to local school districts in Orange County. This is real. This is not a joke. These people are connected and they are pulling strings to try and harm folks for their own financial benefit. And they're using straw organizations like nonprofits to do it.

Dr. Paul  41:29  
Ryan explain that connection a little more clearly. So I get it. You're talking about a local school board and something as big as BlackRock and how, how is how are they pulling those strings?

Ryan Heath  41:43  
Yeah. So there's an individual in Placentia Yorba Linda Unified School District, her name is Carrie Buck, and she is the president of the school board there. And back in January of this year, she unilaterally adopted a a mesh mask policy for the district. And she was appointed to the president position by the way over the winter break. So during the Christmas break, she becomes president the first thing she does when she opens the the very first school board meeting she governs is she reads this statement, excuse me into the record, stating basically that mesh masks are no longer permitted within the district. And as a result of that, she says it. We have to enforce this policy here today in the school board meeting. And within two minutes of opening the meeting, She Bangs her gavel and unilaterally Jordans. Next meeting, this is January 11, January 19. Same exact thing happens. She unilaterally cancels the school board meeting claiming basically that per the order of a local health person named Dr. Chow and he's with the Orange County Department of Health Services, I believe. He's required to put this new mesh mask policy in place. The problem is that Dr. Chow has since refuted that he ever stated anything to that effect. So basically what happened is this woman unilaterally put this policy in place in between the start of the school year in January until February, mid February. There's absolute anarchy happening in her district. I'm talking about kids being kicked out of school by the hundreds each day. School like little work stoppages principals calling into the administration administrative office saying we can't function as a school because we have so much chaos and anarchy on campus. What was happening was that the teachers were kicking kids out based on their political affiliations. Allegedly, that's what it seemed like, they were any kid that didn't like even though for the past year, those kids were allowed to wear these mesh masks without issue all of a sudden they weren't allowed to do it. And so she basically unilaterally adopted this policy and perpetuated the state of chaos from early January, all the way through February.

Dr. Paul  43:56  
And and what's her motivation for doing that?

Ryan Heath  44:00  
That's a good question. So she she is an individual, she works for an organization called encore.org. She she's a relatively sketchy person, I would invite everyone to go do check out my podcast to get the very particulars on all of this because I break it down. I provide examples and everything. But on corp.org is an organization that purportedly exists to try and close the gap between people who are becoming older in years and younger folks, so trying to create this the social cohesion between those two age groups. And she's in the nonprofit industry. She has been for a long time she runs an organization called his house OC which was basically bought up or subsumed by the parent encore. Well, turns out the president of encore this is her employer is a guy named Mark Freeman. And Mark has been recognized by the World Economic Forum as the social entrepreneur of the year. He's been he's A repeated person who appears in The Wall Street Journal. And he happens to have a bunch of people on the board that are related directly to Blackrock to the Omidyar Network to all of these folks. So, in essence, even Ashoka, the Ashoka network, which is one of the, I believe, Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation, offshoots. So, because of that, I mean, you have literally people's tangled web, isn't it, sitting on the board from these really dark money, interest organizations, and even you know, that employee school board members who appear to be acting in a way to perpetuate chaos perpetuate all, as I mentioned in the college level, to to try and torture children into creating lifetime customers for certain interests. And then that happens to be the interest that these folks are invested in. And so it means,

Dr. Paul  45:52  
yeah, Ryan, you know, this healthy kids healthy individuals make farmer no money. And, you know, naively, I used to think that, you know, well, for the most part, farmers doing good for the world, they're bringing all these drugs that help us. And that was a very naive perspective, because when you dig real deep as you obviously have, while I'm not saying all pharma products, are we useless? I mean, if if you need insulin to survive, and you have type one diabetes, you need insulin. Yeah. But what created the type one diabetes to begin with? That's another whole slippery slope, which we won't go into on this discussion. But autoimmunity is often triggered by aluminum by vaccines, and other toxins as well. Let's wrap it up, I want to give you sort of the last word and bring it back to a viewer who's just a mom or a dad, grandparent whose wants to do the best for their kids. And everything, frankly, that you've shared is a little like, this is wow, it's a lot, right. Yeah. This is your world and you understand it, but but it's a lot. What can what can a mom or a dad or grandpa aunt or uncle that's really worried about their kids? What would you like them to do?

Ryan Heath  47:17  
I would like them to follow me on social media and go to my website as well. So we are at the gavel project pretty much everywhere on Facebook, on Instagram, on Twitter, and into go to my website, the gavel project.com. And there are two calls to action that I'll put forth here. One is to educate yourself, follow me so that I can help educate you on your constitutional rights teach you what it means, in certain circumstances to stand up and draw a line and say, You know what, I know my rights, and I'm not going to allow you to infringe upon those. And to go to our website, the gavel project.com, we need your support, that there are people out there that are busting their bottoms to be able to take on these issues. And I would ask that you please consider making a tax deductible donation on our website, and even recurring donations as well so that we can continue to operate and continue to go out and fight on behalf of these kids because they really need it,

Dr. Paul  48:15  
folks. Knowing our constitutional rights. I grew up in Africa, so I was never trained in the US Constitution. But when you feel like the world is a little out of control, we got to go back to basics. Ryan and the gavel project, what you're doing is incredible. Thank you. Keep fighting brother. And we'll get you back on the show.

Ryan Heath  48:37  
Thank you, Doc Thomas. I appreciate being here.

Dr. Paul  48:45  
Welcome Bernadette back against the wind. Doctors in science under fire. It's always great to have you on the show, you know, Thanksgivings just behind us. And you've got to have a really nice idea about how to celebrate the holidays here.

Bernadette Pajer  48:58  
I do, you know, um, what we really need everybody to do is share the love, share the information about health, and freedom and so much and so I've got some gift ideas for everybody out there. There are three publications in print, as well as the versions that you could consider giving to those on your list. The one in the middle is epic times or Epoch Times. It's pronounced differently depending on who you're talking to. And it's a great one too. For those people kind of middle the road. It's very it's written in traditional journalism style, so it's not inflammatory. They've got a great health section. I really love it. And it's great to get sometimes a real physical print newspaper in your hands. We're also sick of looking at the screen. My own Senator here in Tennessee, when you'd walk into his office, there would be a copy of the The Epoch Times on his desk so it's great have for those in the United States. And if you've got somebody who is ready to hear information that is a bit more hard hitting in a more opinion style, we've got the flame. And you can subscribe to that one. It's all sorts of information about freedom and what's going on in this nation. So check that one out. And then if you're up in Canada, there's one called druthers that you can get. And it's it's similar, it's great hard hitting, you know, pretty well, opinion yet fact, you know, those sorts of things. So I just encourage you to check it out yourself to see if who you're going to send it to, is ready to hear information as presented in these great publications. And then the other thing is give the gift of books and two of my very favorite publishers are sky horse. And Chelsea green. Sky horse actually now has there's a children's health defense imprint, so you can check out their imprint. What I've got here is just a screenshot of their homepage right now, some of the titles and you can see they're all over the place. But a couple that jumped out at me are of course, the real Anthony Fauci underestimated by JB and Jamison handily. You know, we've got ending plague, but you should be able to find in their books that may appeal to just somebody you know, and love that you want to share information, be able to talk about share these insights is for individuals who really want to learn more about healthy living, and sustainable living and all those great new regenerative farming and things. Chelsea Green has got great cookbooks, farming books, health books. And it's really great information to check out. And that could be really good for somebody who doesn't really want to get political with you, but is willing to learn more about how to live a healthy life. So those are great gifts. And I also recommend, maybe putting together one of those just in case kits, that's recommended by the F L CCC, the frontline COVID-19, Critical Care Alliance. I gave one of these last year to my in laws, and they used it, it was fantastic. And I was able, you know to call them up when when they were unwell and guide them on the latest protocols, and doses and amounts that is in a kit. So I encourage your viewers to go to the FLCC and look up the most current recommendation because if things change and they learn, they update, and you can put together a gift basket that's got you know, the best quality vitamin D and C and zinc and other things. Even if you want to take it up a notch, give them a nebulizer so they can do that hydrogen peroxide nebulize, that sort of thing. And then my final

Dr. Paul  53:04  
year, so you're so spot on with the gift basket from FLCC. I was just at their inaugural conference. What an what an amazing team of doctors that have, you know, brought together protocols and approaches for not just long COVID But vaccine injury. And just this morning, I had a conversation with my dad. And he says there's three elderly people in our community who have come down with COVID. And they seem to be sicker than we expected with yes, no, what we're being told about subsequent iterations of COVID seem to be more infectious but less dangerous. And we just don't know. So if you want to be prepared you want when your loved one calls, what are you going to do? Well get prepared. This is a great example.

Bernadette Pajer  53:46  
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I agree to it's a great thing. Make sure you've got one for yourself as well. And then finally, other gift ideas. So of course you can get merchandise from your favorite freedom organizations get people T shirts and hats and magnets for their car, you know, these make great gifts, something they might not want to be buying a lot for themselves. But how fun to open it up and get that great CHD t shirt or something. Give them access to some of the wonderful health and freedom video documentaries that are out there some of them after like a period of time of being free that you got to pay for access to them. And so you can provide those documentary access gift certificates to your local massage therapists acupuncturist herbalist, maybe a hyperbaric oxygen treatment clinic for them to experience that they've got some health issues natural food store, nutritional supplement store, I mean the list goes on. If you help provide them ways to try and test some of these modalities of healing. You might just find help lead them on the path of have some really good health and wellness to celebrate the holidays, and then bring them into the new A year. So those are my ideas for gifts.

Dr. Paul  55:05  
I like them, I think, you know, you and I are in this space of health freedom all the time. So we read a lot, but a lot of our family members and friends and those of you who are listening you, you may also find this to be the case. They're still tuned in to CNN or they're, they're reading the New York Times or, you know, where they get their information greatly affects what they're reading and hearing. And so I like this presentation of here, here are other resources that we should be sharing, and just share it as a launch point for discussion.

Bernadette Pajer  55:39  
Mm hmm. Exactly. Yeah. Tie it all up with a ribbon and give it from your heart with love and, and do do read your friends and loved ones carefully. You don't want to push too hard. It's the holidays. It's supposed to be a gift. So you want to choose carefully what that individual might really like and be open to as opposed to like, You got to read this kind of

Dr. Paul  56:03  
No, that's a very good point. One of those journals i I was sharing it at my office and it happened to have an add in. I mean, the articles were I thought were spot on. But there was an ad for guns now. Showing a semi automatic and this was right at the time. They were another round of shootings, you know, and yeah, and one of my nurses goes, we can't put this out. Because it depends on your audience. Right. So your audience, love them. And we both wish you all a very wonderful holiday season.

Bernadette Pajer  56:35  
We sure do.

Dr. Paul  56:37  
Thanks, Bernadette.

Bernadette Pajer  56:38  
Thank you Dr. Pop.

Dr. Paul  56:45  
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