​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Paul, welcome to with the wind science revealed. Today I interview Florida's Surgeon General. Dr. Joseph ladapo. He's a former UCLA professor. He's author of the book transcending fear, a blueprint for mindful leadership and public health. Wow, have we needed that we're gonna go over his background, talk about his different approach to public health that was both science based and honored individual choice over mandates. He stresses freedom over fear. This is a real blueprint for how access government control can be avoided. This might guide us if this ever happens again. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Pol from the heart. Today, I'm talking about change. I have really been struggling with this retirement thing. I'm not retired, I'm going to find other things to do. But wow, am I experiencing change? I'm not seeing kids daily, like I did for the past 35 years. I know I'm calling for something bigger, something different, something that's requiring growth. Maybe you've experienced something like that the past three years. I know something's being asked to me. I'm, I'm doing my best to be open to follow God's plan. Trying to listen, haven't mastered that yet. This really is requiring patience, openness, and love. Each day, ask myself what do I need to be doing so I can make the best difference in this world that I'm putting in. One thing I know for certain, though, that isn't changing, is my commitment to this show my passion for this, the ability to be on this journey with you. This has helped me greatly in embracing the changes in my own life, and what's going on in the world around us. So I thank you for that.

Welcome, Dr. ladipo, I consider you one of the most influential and courageous doctors in the world. And I just am so appreciative and grateful for you to come on the show with the wind science revealed.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  2:15  
Thank you, I'm really happy to be joining you really happy to be

Dr. Paul  2:18  
awesome. I love to start out I mean, you've got a lot of accolades and things I want to talk to you about. But I really love to start out by getting to know you a little bit and have our audience get to know the man. It always feels like to me when someone is as courageous as you are. Something in your background, perhaps prepared you for this time. Tell us a little bit about your background where you grew up and kind of leading up to your career.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  2:44  
Oh, sure. Yeah. So I was born in Nigeria, and moved to move to this country. And my parents moved us to Louisiana, then Georgia, and then North Carolina, and went to college in North Carolina. And I went to med school and in Boston at Harvard, even though the media, if you only read the articles, you think I was not even a doctor.

Dr. Paul  3:15  
Yeah, we have a couple of things in common. I grew up in Africa. I wasn't born there. And I ended up at Dartmouth from medical school. So we were we were neighbors, so to speak, although I was quite a few years ahead of you, I believe. And then your training is amazing. I mean, I think it was at Beth Israel, and then you ended up at UCLA as a clinician, scientist and professor.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  3:36  
Yeah, that's right. That's right. I had great training at Beth Israel. And then I was my first faculty job was actually at NYU. And from there, I went to UCLA. Gotcha.

Dr. Paul  3:51  
Yeah. And I think I remember reading that in your training, you had a lot of public health background as well.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  3:58  
Yeah, that's right. That's right. So during medical school, I stopped to do a PhD in health policy at the John F. Kennedy School of Government. And I got great training there in economics, Epidemiology, health policy, public health. So I benefited from from great training, which I used as a clinician scientist and had at the time I left UCLA. I had four NIH grants at that time. So I was, I was tenured, I was doing really well at UCLA. But the pandemic was a was a rift in in my time there and my relationship with my colleagues, many of my colleagues

Dr. Paul  4:45  
interesting so I'm, you're gonna get into this but you took a stand very different than a lot of your colleagues. I've been through the same thing. What prepared you for that and how Did you come to understand things to be a little different than the narrative that we were being told?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  5:06  
Well, I was very lucky. And what prepared me was, was really God's grace. Because I, for most of my life, I was pretty very much a fear world old guy, I was a fairly old guy, it was a fear was a major component of every aspect of my life. And, and it primarily stemmed from a traumatic experience I had when I was a little boy and I talked about it in the book transcend fear, and, and the I fell in love with my wife, and, you know, the, the, the wounds and the injuries and the stuff that I've been carrying around and thought was not a big deal. You burst out into the open, and obviously, it was always a big deal because it inhibited my connection to myself, my connection to other people, and lots of other lots of other handicaps, it can well from from that, from that prevented me from being all that I could be. And, and we had a rough time with it really my wife, I mean, I my wife primarily was the was a poor soul who had to deal with me. And I saw therapists and got some help, but none of it was really enough, not even close, and eventually worked with a guy, former Navy SEAL named Christopher Mae her. And he has mastered techniques from Chinese Meridian theory, stuff related to the flow of chi, related to how, how stress and trauma, and anger and grief and and all of those types of emotions, self doubt, literally live in our bodies and obstruct the flow of chi in our bodies. And it I didn't believe any of it. And we really went to see him because my poor wife was at the end of her rope. And, and I worked with him for five days, and you have never looked back. It's it was, it was by far the most, the most important ingredient to my happiness today, my ability to do everything that I've done since during the pandemic. And I actually, oddly enough, I worked with them in December 2019. So the timing was really, really good. And and that's, that's why I've been able to do everything that I've done. That's why it's like literally that simple.

Dr. Paul  7:44  
Wow, thank God for your wife, and thank God for having that person in your life. I have a parallel when I lost my license for publishing a study showing the differences between vaccinated Vax kids, I was going through a separation from my wife, I mean, just everything crashing down, right. And I was living way too much in ego. And I had a coach who, who absolutely allowed me to get in touch with myself. Put fear aside, put faith at the center of everything. And boy, you're not trying to do it alone. Right. It's incredible.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  8:18  
Wow, that Yeah, yeah, I think that's I mean, that that's, that's very interesting. And, and I'm glad you had that. And and, you know, I know that everyone's path is different in terms of it turns even people get on that path, because not a lot of people don't care aren't interested, you know, God bless them. That's all good. But, but if you are, if that's something you want, I'm always happy that people are, are moving toward that that goal?

Dr. Paul  8:52  
Yes, absolutely. And if I hadn't mentioned at the beginning, you are the author of an incredible book, transcending fear, a blueprint for mindful leadership and public health. And we're gonna get into the public health side of things, for sure. But before we go there, since you touched on this fear thing, it felt like to me if we if we kind of go back to the beginning of the whole COVID thing. It sure was a very, very powerful. I'll call it propaganda because I that's what I've come to believe it is. But I mean, how, how were we as a as a world population to deal with the onslaught of the images and the fear porn, if you will, that was coming at us? How did you handle that? When when COVID was first rolling out? I believe you were at UCLA at the time. Yeah. And what do you think about the use of fear and what's that all about?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  9:46  
I am really so. So for me personally, I had two really good things going for me. I had my wife who just instinctively she just she's a fearless being and I had The benefit of having, having worked with Christopher to help me clear up a lot of my tremendous amounts of my emotional baggage, my, you know, and and how that connected to my spiritual being and my, my mental being and all that stuff. So between those two, like my wife, you know, called BS early on in terms of the spotting the smear campaign, which is not to say I mean the virus, obviously it's it was a very serious name for it seems extremely grave for a lot of people primarily primarily people who were older, in terms of where the risk was, was concentrated, but, but the, the, the production that came along with it, that unforeseen was successful and convincing people that a bunch of unreasonable things were reasonable, such as locking people down and closing their schools and indefinitely and, and forcing people to wear masks in the absence of evidence and the absence of in the absence of, of clinical support and the absence of any respect for their own individual preferences. Like she saw through that immediately. And I fortunately, I wasn't far behind from from her. And, and, you know, that's exactly what happened. And these techniques, these tactics were deployed American population, and unfortunately, they had a lot of success and a lot of traction. And he looked back, I mean, it's just a lot of crazy stuff that happened, firing people, because they wouldn't, you know, firing a nurse because she doesn't want to put something new in her body. I mean, give me a break, when she's low risk, probably already had COVID. Just there were a lot of it's a demonstration of how, how you can really shift people's beliefs and thinking and when you when you when you prep them properly, and when you really prepare that environment properly in terms of a fear. And it's worse than that, too. Because not only are you getting people to believe something that that is on natural, that's wrong. But but you also are having success in getting people to disconnect from their own intuition. And and both of those things happened. And then you know, it's that's sort of the pathway to atrocities, unfortunately, in case the pandemic, there were just a lot of a lot of unethical things that happen. I mean, things that are just blatantly wrong, just completely, totally wrong, they always were wrong. Many people were able to be convinced that they were not

Dr. Paul  12:56  
including, it seems most of our peers, most doctors in the US don't seem to get it.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  13:03  
And yeah, well, it's a really good demonstration how sort of analytic intelligence has no connection with, with people's connection with source and, you know, they're spiritual beings. And the spiritual being always knows like that that stuff was wrong. And that's, that's people's connection to God and divinity. And and it's it is just that's a separate related but a separate entity, then then the analytic being.

Dr. Paul  13:38  
Yeah, no, you're so it's so right, with both of us having gone through that awakening, if you will, and reconnecting to our intuition and spirit. Wow, our population is in trouble. I think I'd have you comment on a few things. Because to me, as I watched this rollout, I mean, sure, the first month or two were all a little bit fearful, because we just didn't know what we were dealing with if you go back to February, March, April of 2020. But they, and I say they being let's talk about people like Fauci and those who are controlling the narrative and had control in the public health arena, which I want to really touch on with you soon. But they did some tricky things like identifying cases as just positive tests. Right. What were your thoughts then? And now about the testing issue and the PCR testing, and what that might have done to mislead the public?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  14:39  
Well, I think a lot of people know that historically, in public health, you think of cases as being people who have symptoms and not just a positive test. And it's, I think, fairly widely recognized now but back then you're totally hush if you said something like this, but the PCR test alone is not useful for really diagnostic purposes in terms of knowing whether someone, at least on a one time use, whether knowing someone is having an active infection was an early phase of infection is, is clear there infection and, and but it was used that way. And it was used to define define cases. And then of course, now there's more discussion about, well, who died with COVID? And who died from COVID. And all that stuff. Really was just another example of the mania of the time and the breathlessness of the, of the strategy of a public health strategy. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  15:46  
And do you have a comment on the cycles of amplification because I hadn't been clued into that until I started reading more about the specific COVID PCR testing and how, you know, there were studies that showed at low levels of cycles 18 Or so it was a very good test would usually be negative, but we were using 35 to 40, or more cycles of amplification here in the States, which made it almost meaningless. Do you agree with that comment? Or what are your thoughts on that?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  16:16  
I agree, I think that that the from, and I'm not my area of research is more on the quantitative fields like health economics and epidemiology and, and, and biostatistics. But from my discussion with colleagues who were were expert in, from my review of papers that have looked at this issue, I mean, that's what happens, right? You get less, you get more sensitivity, or much less specificity by using such a high cycle cycle count. So you know why we did that? I agree. It's just not wasn't the probably wasn't sensible. And it certainly, I mean, how many people only how many people were had no symptoms, but we're totally we're sick. And we're told to isolate for 14 days, or however many Dr. Fauci had decided was the right number at that time, the pandemic. So it is problematic, and it just adds to all the confusion of the pandemic, and also planning how to address the pandemic,

Dr. Paul  17:29  
right? And then, what do you think of the fact that they made this determination? Probably Fauci on down, that you only count a person as vaccinated when they have completed the series. And it's been 14 days after the series. And, and the problem I had with that is, as I saw side effects from the shot itself, a lot of the side effects were right away. So when those 14 days that you're declaring somebody is not vaccinated, when they actually are vaccinated, all these symptoms that are side effects of the shot are being labeled COVID disease, or it's happening in an annex person when truly they're vaccinated.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  18:12  
Right, it's interesting because that that particular phenomenon predates the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in terms of clinical trials of vaccines, waiting to start the clock, until an individual is is is his has entered a period of time where you believe that whatever immune response they were going to mount they mounted it. i It is a tradition, obviously it doing that favors the vaccine arms, because it obviously favors them. Analytically, my sense is that I tend to and there's been some debate about this, in the in the academic community, as you know, I tend to be of the thought that we should treat all medications the same in terms of how we evaluate them in randomized clinical trials. And what that means is that there's an intention to treat. So if you are randomized to that arm, that's the arm you're you're analyzed in, and that the clock starts when you when you are randomized, you know when you received the intervention. So I tend to think that we shouldn't do those studies. That way. It will on average, I would anticipate that it would reduce estimates of effectiveness. But it's also it's also brings those studies on par with other other studies. So other randomized, randomized study. These medications, so I tend to think that would be the appropriate way to do it. One other way you can think about it is, I had a, I had a teacher, Dr. Richard Zack Hausser while I was at the Kennedy School, and He's an economist, and one of the things he likes to say is that to get your thinking straight, go to the extremes. So in this case, it's a two week delay. And people were like, okay, that's fine. That's fine. But let's say it was a 20 week delay, right? Let's say it took that long to see an effect. Would that be okay to wait that long? In your analysis? Most people would probably say no. So if 20 weeks isn't Okay, two weeks on based on the same principle is not okay. So I tend to think you should start the clock when you start when you're randomized in randomized to your treatment arm.

Dr. Paul  20:48  
Right, that should be on day one of getting the jab. Yeah, yeah. Very interesting. So So let's talk a bit about your journey from being a professor, clinician scientist, researcher, to becoming Florida's Surgeon General. When did that happen? And what was your decision making? And in doing that?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  21:10  
We were it happened in September 2021. And yeah, like I said, I was I was a tenured faculty member at UCLA, I was actually certain I was going to retire there, even though things had gotten unpleasant, with a lot of my colleagues and my boss, because of, because of my opinions on during the pandemic, and, and having the gumption to voice those opinions. But my research was going well. And, and things were awkward. I did have some team members leave because of Joe, I can't believe he would say this, about the COVID-19 vaccines in that. But overall, things are still going well with the research. And then I got a call I think in in August of 2021, from a governor DeSantis his team. And so I've been Surgeon General since September, I was very grateful that they that they selected me for the position of Surgeon General. And, you know, we're I think we're only just getting started, and we have a lot more work to do.

Dr. Paul  22:17  
So thank you, by the way for taking that position and having that courage to do so. Help us understand most of us don't understand what a Surgeon General does, and how that position fits into the public health. sort of arrangement in the state because I know we have. I'm an Oregon and I know we have public health officials who are you know, just sort of by decree this, you, you can't go to school, right? Those quarantines Are you must wear masks. How does your role fit in with the general public health? Structure of leadership?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  22:54  
Yeah, so I'm the head of the Department of Health in Florida, we've got over 13,000 full time, employees essentially. And in 1000s, more of essentially, maybe part time might be the right word to use employees. And we have 67 county health departments in our 67 counties. And we've got an integrated system. And in Tallahassee, we are we're the center of that system. I have seen it said we have so many hard working people in our department who are really dedicated and commitment committed to public health, and that in the health of their fellow Floridians. And so, as the head, I oversee all of our programs, from our programs for maternal health, to our programs for Child Nutrition, to our programs for smoking cessation, and our programs for licensing medical doctors and pharmacists, and inspecting public swimming pools. So we have a really broad, broad portfolio and an excellent, excellent team. And so I oversee our programs and and I also work with our division leaders to to help plan strategically how we're addressing public health and how we are addressing new issues, whether it's monkey pox or, or other issues that arise. And I also have the privilege of working with Governor DeSantis also.

Dr. Paul  24:28  
So are you overseeing the medical board as well?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  24:34  
The medical board is independent. Okay. It is. It's within the Department of Health, but it is an independent body.

Dr. Paul  24:42  
Gotcha. So, how did you deal with the fact you know, when you were at UCLA, you had one analysis of what was going on with COVID and the jabs, so called vaccines, but a lot of your peers had a different thinking about it. So so that they were, it was getting awkward, right? Certainly, I would guess in Florida, there must be other people in your public health world, who like those other folks at UCLA don't agree with you. How do you deal with that in a leadership sense, and actually for getting things done that are different, because I think I'd love to hear what you've done in Florida. That's different, because it feels different. I've traveled around the country, I've been to Florida twice to speak. And, you know, people seem freer, they're not walking around with masks, there seems to be less fear. How were you able to impact that?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  25:40  
Florida definitely is freer. I mean, it is because and it's and that is, that is that is completely due to Governor DeSantis. And the fact that he very early on, it made it clear that people had a right to breathe, kids had a right to breathe. And that it was you had a right to decide what you put in your body. And, and, and people had a right to work and things like that. So he created that atmosphere. And, and, you know, the voters, I mean, they they really, really showed their support for with his his landslide victory. I mean, unbelievable. How how huge of a victory that was in the election. And it for me in terms of yes, there are definitely people a lot of doctors, most doctors in Florida, probably don't agree with, with my positions. Many do here in the state that I hear from. And even in California, people were often sending me supportive notes. Even it was a very, very, very hostile environment there. In terms of people were vocal. But But I think everyone has to find their way with this. For me, it's I just, I think communication about what I think actually, before the communication, being clear about what I think and why is has been my my approach. And you know, ultimately, the stuff that I share. It's not it's not complicated. It's sort of, you know, here's what the studies show with the masks. Here's what I think about individual rights, okay, you put those together does not make sense to force anyone to do this, right. The studies don't are overall not supportive. And, you know, in the fact that people have a right to control their face, is that's a major factor. So I think that I do think that I've been able to persuade many people, it's not my intention to persuade. I mean, I'm happy to persuade people, I'm happy when people change their positions, to be more in agreement with mine, because I think that's a, that's a better place to be for public health. But I do think that many people have changed their positions based on the clarity of my message and the rationale for that message. But again, all of it starts from being clear internally.

Dr. Paul  28:22  
Right? So you've made it pretty clear. And I 100% support your thinking on the mask issue. I mean, the studies aren't showing that they make any difference, and they certainly can be harmful. As a pediatrician, the thought of masking up little kids, and they don't get to see facial expressions. What are we doing to our kids? Right? It's just an insanity. Do you have a handle on the data from your state in Florida? So you were one of the only states I think that early on, allowed for this freedom not to wear masks, opening up schools, perhaps sooner than other states, not forcing people to take the jab? The COVID shot. So what kind of results have you had? Because of course, I remember hearing reports on news. Oh, doom and gloom, you know, DeSantis. And then when you were joining that you guys were going to create a disaster in Florida. Has it been a disaster?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  29:30  
You know, the louder the news, the better things are going here. Yeah, you have the benefit of those strategies not being effective in this why masking it's just as a strategy, public health strategy, and people can fuss Oh, well, they're not worrying 100% of the time, or they're not worrying at 200% of the time, or whatever people were complaining about fine. But what we're talking about here is a public health strategy. The public health strategy It doesn't work in terms of masking. So it doesn't work. So is it going to affect anything? No, it's not going to have any second any appreciable effect. And moreover, you have the benefit of not forcing people into to do stuff they don't want to do, which definitely has a negative effect when you coerce people. So we've had Florida people keep moving here, again, the people vote, they vote in the ballots, and they vote with their feet. I mean, people keep coming to the state, real estate just gets more expensive. And they're voting with their feet now, and you know, you walk around and people are happy. And they really appreciate it. And as I mentioned, I mean, they really rewarded the governor for his his leadership. Particularly with respect to pandemic restrictions, I mean, people don't like being locked down no matter what these guys in New York or Oregon or California say,

Dr. Paul  31:01  
yeah. So Alright, folks, did you hear that you don't need a mask, it doesn't work, and let your smile shine. Let's talk briefly about this messaging that we got incessantly that, for example, children should stay home, quarantined, don't go to school, because well, and then of course, they threw the masks in as well. You don't We don't want you to kill grandma. And from a public health standpoint, what do you say to that?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  31:33  
You say that, you say that, like that people always have choice. And people should always have choice related to public health only in the most extreme circumstances like that, that that woman who was her name, I can't remember her name right now. But the woman who, who was a was a asymptomatic carrier of salmonella, I can't

Dr. Paul  31:59  
remember her name, typhoid, Mary, typhoid, Mary,

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  32:03  
and the and she stopped cooking, and she started cooking again, and people got sick again. So you being hit up, staying with the least restrictive approach is like that's the smart strategy. That's the sustainable strategy. And these these these sort of coercion campaigns, oh, you're gonna kill grandma. Oh, this now, not only is there not evidence for that, but it's, it's bad. Public health is just a bad strategy. It it's fear base it, it plays on guilt. I mean, it's just it's like Bad, bad, bad, bad. So it's just not something it's unethical. It's just not something to, to consider. Yeah, taking precautions around grandma. Sure, sure. But like you doing something, not alone, something that isn't even effective, is not going to change the fact that grandma is at higher risk. And that's like a world of realism. And thinking about what what do we do about that? You know, what kind of treatment options are there? What else can we do for grandma? You know, why don't we give grandma and 95 baths and at least with honesty, like it may not help, but it might help a little bit when you go out. And so try this, rather than making people think that less of the flimsy or mass should always be used by everyone. So it's just a different place in terms of realism.

Dr. Paul  33:35  
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I wonder, I wonder if you've wondered about this from a public health standpoint, if we had known what we knew now? No, we, what if we had just let the school stay open right through the pandemic, no masks, no isolation, no six foot distancing? Let kids get exposed to that virus. We know their natural immune system works very well, the the innate immune system, then the kids would be the actual protection for grandma, because they're not going to transmit the virus, they're immune. And obviously, your common sense is is is important. You don't visit grandma while you're sick.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  34:18  
Right. Yeah, yeah, I think I think that that the, the, you know, the application of common sense, you know, and there has been some debate not a lot in the academic community about whether it was the vaccines were even all appropriate for this condition for kids, you know, for the reasons that you're saying and for other reasons, including risks, both unknown and and both known and unknown. So I think that's a that's a legitimate point. And, and certainly the the data just, it's never said supported using like high quality, randomized, controlled trial data is just never supported using these in children. And even these observational studies that try and show the benefit. They they don't capture, they don't capture the risks. And they have problems with confounding, because we know that there, you know, there there tends to be a difference in overall risk between people who opt in for COVID-19 vaccine versus people who do not. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  35:35  
So just to get to that point, then on the COVID, 19 vaccine, knowing what you know, now, what is your recommendation for children or people in general?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  35:47  
Well, I think just based on the data, so right now, it's Omicron. It's I mean, the studies that have showing infection fatality rates is incredibly, incredibly low. And virtually all of the risk is concentrated in people who are, say, 60 and above. So I think that for the vast majority of the population, it's just it just doesn't make any more sense. And then you don't not even mention the fact that study after study has shown that the protection wanes both protection from infection and protection from from severe outcomes. And in fact, it looks like after enough time, the the mRNA COVID-19, vaccines are associated with an increased risk of infection rather than a decreased risk. So I just I'm not seeing what the upside is, and in recommending these vaccines at all, at this point in the pandemic, I think really, we need to think more about treatment, early treatment for high risk people. I mean, it's just, you know, I don't know, is it is it a we trying to fund Pfizer and perpetuity or any at this point that the health, the health campaign component of these mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is just it's hard to afford to be co parent.

Dr. Paul  37:19  
Yeah. And I think I might have read, but maybe I'm mistaken. Did you or did the Florida public health system or the governor actually stopped recommending this vaccine for children?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  37:32  
Oh, yes, we did. We did. Excellent.

Dr. Paul  37:37  
Course. You know, they voted ACEP, the CDC arm that makes the vaccine recommendations to put vaccines on that CDC schedule for children. Sure, you know, they've they've

Unknown Speaker  37:49  
approved that. Yeah, good luck with that.

Dr. Paul  37:54  
I think the implementation, I mean, once it's approved, I think it's, it allows this liability free status to continue in perpetual duty. botch that word. But I think it allows states to make they can then make the decision to put it on the childhood schedule and exclude kids from school if they don't get it. And I I wonder if that we're going to start seeing that very soon. What do you think?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  38:21  
I think that they are scared, because parents, they tried to do that in LA, and they just kept the langit the the, the vaccine mandate in schools, because basically, at the end, they this is this is their dumb policies. And there were so many students who didn't comply. And la it, especially black and Hispanic students, that they, they basically, it was like a game of chicken and they, you know, they went first. So are they blinked first? So you so instead of just canceling it, they just say, Oh, we're gonna delay it till the next semester or whatever. And they've been doing that now for four years. So I don't think it's going to have any I don't think it's going to have any any traction. I think any school district that does it is going to end up falling on their faces.

Dr. Paul  39:21  
I sure hope you're right. So what do you think about that whole technology, the mRNA platform, the nano technology, that's now I get the sense they're going to try to roll out a lot of vaccines. I know the Durnan is working on the RSV, one. I'm not sure that platform should be used at all. What are your thoughts?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  39:47  
Yeah, I think it's obviously really important question because they're just I think dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of these mRNA vaccine clinical trials ongoing and I want to apologize, I'm gonna have to step away in a moment. But I think we obviously need more testing more safety evaluation. I don't want the technology personally, I mean, it's just this whole thing is, is a doctor I'm always at least somewhat wary is you know, new technology because we always learn more stuff. But, but I don't like this technology for it. Are there specific conditions that eventually may be found to, for it to be of benefit? Great. But as a as a, as a tool for wide dissemination? I'm like, I'm not. I'm not fond about it. But pardon me? I'm not fond of it.

Dr. Paul  40:46  
Sure. Well, before you step away, a couple last things. Do you have thoughts on passports? So vaccine passports? And then final words, you get you get the last word.

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  40:56  
Thanks. All these vaccine passports, they should all be they should all be like burnt and actually, what would be a good use maybe recycled if they're paper? Just normally stupid ideas. They'll probably try again and the next pandemic if they get a chance. But hopefully they won't get a chance. But just it was it was just a just It's just a stupid idea. I just just cannot cannot go away fast enough.

Dr. Paul  41:27  
We have apartheid on honestly, it's kind of a move step towards control and slavery and just doesn't feel right. Oh, it

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  41:35  
doesn't. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I totally agree. It doesn't. It's heartless. It's, it's very, very tech oriented, rather than humanity oriented. And like, it's like, he'd sort of commoditize as humanity rather than sort of this techno health, sort of health, techno society rather than a society of human beings. So I totally I'm with you there. And, and as a last word, I would say, I would say thanks for what you're doing. And thanks for your integrity and your in your bravery. And same thing for for everyone out there. And I, I really do I wish everyone the best and, and, and I want you to pick up transcend fear and take a look at it and see if see if it resonates with you.

Dr. Paul  42:35  
I have the book. I'm moving my office. So I was really bummed because it's packed. And I couldn't find it before I'm traveling right now, before I do this interview. Thank you so much for coming on this show. Thank you for your courage, and your leadership. And I look forward to seeing how you can guide not just Florida, but perhaps the rest of the country in the world into a better way of handling public health situations. There'll be more right?

Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD  43:05  
Yes, there will be thanks, man. God bless you, man. God

Dr. Paul  43:11  
bless you to

welcome Brandon to with the wind science revealed, this is actually a unique treat for me. You are a former patient of mine. And we were together when you had twins who I believe are now around seven years old. And you also told me you have a three year old. So it's a real privilege to have you on the show. Yeah, it's an absolute honor for me to talk with you. Give us a little background on yourself, your wife, your family, and then we'll jump into that experience you had with your first hospital experience having your twins.

Brandon Campbell  43:49  
Yeah, absolutely. So we've kind of lived all over. But during that season of our life, we were living in Portland, we were born and raised in Washington. But work had taken us down to Portland. And we got married in 2005. We decided that we're going to wait a little bit to have kids what we didn't realize was that we were also going to have some fertility challenges. with that came the beginning of my wife, which I feel like is a hobby stories always start right the wife starts doing something researching something and it was all health related. It had nothing to do with kids or it had nothing to do. It was more us. How do we get ourselves healthy? Yeah, well, let's start looking at the toxic load that we have around the house. Because we were realizing maybe that had something to do with what we were facing. So you know, we had a great relationship, but obviously, you know, we wanted to have kids. So we started down some infertility treatments, which eventually led us to the point where we were pregnant with twins.

Dr. Paul  44:53  
And that brings us to where you're at now and you're pregnant and starting to think about Hmm, what are we going to do about vaccines? AIDS.

Brandon Campbell  45:01  
Yeah. And we walked into it. The hepatitis one never made sense to me at that early, just from from I didn't get it till I was actually till I went to Africa. So I was older in life. But I, you know that the other day, it was like, Okay, maybe vitamin K, we're not sure. And we didn't go in with a resolve, which was that it was not not wise on our part to go in with the absolute resolve of what we were going to do. Because you get into that moment and what ended up happening with us. So my wife's five foot one, she has two babies that are growing. Should we eat to 35 weeks, she also has preeclampsia. So we just went in for a Saturday, checkup and found out we were having babies that day. So it it's kind of that right there was shocking, right? You think, oh, well, it's a sad, we're just gonna go in. It's our weekly checkup they're gonna do and they're just like, No, we're, we're taking your babies.

Dr. Paul  46:02  
So C section, I guess.

Brandon Campbell  46:05  
Yeah, they gave her the option. But she was so tired that she just was like, I there's no way and actually ended up being a blessing because Brooklyn, who was I guess, technically, maybe a, she was kind of wrapped up in the cord. So that would have not been good. I think I'm not a doctor, but I'm just assuming that that would not have been. Do you remember their

Dr. Paul  46:27  
birth weights?

Brandon Campbell  46:29  
I do. They were 512 and 413.

Dr. Paul  46:33  
People are probably wondering why I asked that question. And so the reason I asked that question is it's very interesting in they were probably in the neonatal intensive care right away. No, no. Okay. Well, what has traditionally happened for preemies and at 35 weeks, it can go either way, some 35 weekers, the size that your twins were, which was a very good size, by the way. About half of those babies make it on their own without needing the the ICU, the NICU, which is neonatal intensive care unit. Traditionally, for a couple decades, the health professionals in the neonatal intensive care, they're dealing with those tiniest of babies. I mean, some babies are born, you know, barely over a pound, right? I mean, they're just these tiny, tiny little preemies, they would treat preemies as if they were full term newborns as far as it goes with vaccines. And they did finally wake up to the fact that wait a minute, that's a lot of aluminum for a tiny, tiny body. It's still way too much aluminum, even for a 10 pound baby that have be shot is. But anyway, they at least eventually said you don't vaccinate until they're at least 2.5 kilos, which you know, your smallest twin was about that weight. So under current protocols, Most pediatricians and neonatologist would say, yep, just vaccinate according to the CDC schedule. But I want to highlight something and have you elaborate more. And you mentioned that you didn't go in armed with knowing exactly what you wanted to do. And that ended up probably making it challenging for you talk a little more about that.

Brandon Campbell  48:17  
Yeah, and I'll even juxtapose that with our third daughter that was born, we did go in Absolutely. Knowing. And it was really hard. So yeah, so we and the reason is because and I don't know if folks that work there, do this on on purpose, but you honestly feel like you're the worst human being on Earth. If you're saying no to what they want, I mean, it's just forms you have to fill out, they have to tell you all the awful things that are going to happen for sure, to your child for not making this choice. And, you know, because of that, and, and because I think, I think with the vitamin K shot, they really play that up as far as what can happen. And I'm not saying that it can't happen. But it's scary stuff. And so we did allow that. And we did not want to but we did because we didn't go in 100% and and I think have the things to say. Yeah. For

Dr. Paul  49:27  
what kind of things were they telling you? It sounds like you're bullied?

Brandon Campbell  49:31  
Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it was like, you know, you know, your baby can bleed out and die, because they just don't get the vitamin K for clotting. And so, you know, and I don't know what the stats were but they you know, they start saying like there's this percentage of kids that will die from a bleed out a brain bleed and you don't even know what's happening. And here's one that happened and this guy oh my gosh, and they you know, the vitamin K supplements or the drops? Well, those just they are those just don't work. And so you can't Was that? So? Yeah, I mean, it really felt like oh my gosh, I guess I guess we do this and they're asking you this right now. I mean, it's not like, hey, let's let's get them in, get them settled. Let's think about it. It's like, we got to know now. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  50:20  
Well, for vitamin K, just to touch on that. It's there's risks and benefits for all procedures, right. And it's not that there's no benefits to getting vitamin K. There certainly are, there are, of course, by now you've probably done your research. And there are reports of, you know, brain bleeds in babies born, who didn't get the vitamin K. And, but there are also reports of harm from vitamin K, right. And so it's so hard is weighing out that risk benefit thing. And like with anything, it should ultimately be the parents choice. And I think that's what you're advocating for. The Hepatitis B is a little simpler. I'll even let you describe your thought processes. Because you went through this twice. First time you went in, less prepared. Second time you were more prepared. Tell tell us how those discussions with

Brandon Campbell  51:15  
hepatitis. I don't know that I had done a ton of the research yet on the aluminum content, or any of the reasons why it on it just didn't make sense to me why we were doing that. Because, again, I I didn't have it till I went to Africa. And I went all through school, it just and knowing where you get hepatitis B, you know,

Dr. Paul  51:42  
I know my wife, which is where where do you get hepatitis B?

Brandon Campbell  51:46  
Needles and sexual activity with pokes that are infected?

Dr. Paul  51:51  
Correct. And babies don't do that.

Brandon Campbell  51:54  
And my wife wasn't either. And I wasn't either. So

Dr. Paul  51:58  
yeah, it's it's almost insulting, right? We doctors would I used to do this. I'm ashamed to admit it way, way back a couple of decades ago. Well, you know, you can't be sure about your risk factors, you know, your partner may not be honest, I mean, crazy stuff, right? I mean, what, like, we're not going to trust you the the individual sitting right in front of me, you might be lying to me, therefore, I'm going to do what I need to do.

Brandon Campbell  52:25  
Wow. Yeah. It is that so that one to me was it was the easier one to just say, No, we're not. There's absolutely no way we're doing that. I mean, yeah, I had mentioned going to Africa, but you know, we had just my wife and I, when we were going to Uganda, you know, we just rolled up our sleeves. This was in 2009. So quite a bit before. And it was just, you know, in both arms with a whole bunch of Ni C's, we weren't even thinking anything of that. So there's a big shift to 2015 where we get to, and I honestly, I think having the knowledge for the next time was was easier, though, I felt they were even more intense. So our daughters were born in Portland, the twins. And then our third was actually born in Spokane, where we had moved back to, and they were, they were ruthless. did describe that a little bit. So that they sent in multiple people. They wasn't just the one attending. She sat there she, you know, told me all the things she really got into because I read a study that showed that oral Vitamin K is fairly is a PubMed study, and it's fairly effective to help. And so she but she was just like, it's, it doesn't do anything. You can't, there's nothing you can do. And I just was like, No, we're not doing it. Absolutely not going to do it. And she just kept going and going and going. And finally I said, Okay, show me the package inserts. Show me the side effects. And I'll think about it. And guess what? She couldn't produce them.

Dr. Paul  54:06  
She couldn't produce the package insert? Nope. Wow. So that was a brilliant approach, because every medication has a package insert. And in the package insert is all the information known at the time the drug was released to the market, they're required by law to put all the side effects in there that they've seen. And you would have had right in front of you some of the problems, right. And so probably that's why she didn't want to produce it.

Brandon Campbell  54:39  
I think that's probably it. Yes. And then they had the attending pediatrician come in after she was born and they had to do the whole thing again. And she was a lot nicer, but I still I said provide me the answers. And she couldn't do it. Which was always very bizarre to me, but cuz I know that they have to be there. She couldn't do it. And then it just became easy. But you know, it's also a little intimidating. And they start having you fill these forms, and you have to sign these things. And, you know, it's almost like, Well, gosh, am I going to have someone come here? And not let me leave? Because I sign these forms saying, no, no, and their liability release forms, I guess. But. So

Dr. Paul  55:25  
we bring up a good point, when you sign forms that might have legal implications, read them carefully. If there's anything in there that says you are knowingly harming your child, because a lot of them have that kind of wording in there, you cross it out and initial it. And maybe you even add, there are risks and benefits to both sides of this decision. Because, you know, I early on before, I sort of really tuned into that I used to have my patients sign vaccine refusal forms, that had some language that really could have perhaps been used against them, right. And I wasn't doing that on purpose, I just wasn't tuned into that one little line that had been put in there by the Academy of Pediatrics, I am knowingly harming my child or potentially harming my child. You there, you can just imagine, Child Protective Services knocking on your door. And yeah, that's happened in some states. So yes, anytime you're asked to sign something, read it carefully, and make sure you're not signing anything that's self incriminating. I think that'll be important. It doesn't feel safe in hospitals anymore, in a sense that you don't feel like your doctors are on your team. It feels like they're on a different team with a different agenda. And their agenda is

Brandon Campbell  56:46  
actually

Dr. Paul  56:48  
the exact opposite at times of what you want to do, at least around the vaccine issue. That seems to be the case, right? Yeah.

Brandon Campbell  56:55  
We have a rule now. And this is because of other things that we've had with family members that you're not allowed to be alone. Because we feel like there's just no advocacy,

Dr. Paul  57:05  
one of the toughest things I have to deal with when I'm thinking about my colleagues, other doctors is we're supposed to give informed consent, right? That's that process where you tell your patient, in this case, you would tell the parent who's got a new baby, the pros and the cons of the decisions, right, whether it's the vitamin K, or the Hepatitis B shot at this, that initial newborn, and you do the pros and the cons and the alternatives, and one of the alternatives should always be not doing the recommended procedure. Or in other words, not giving the the shot. And you won't get that from 99% of pediatricians who come into the hospital in America today, you will get what they call informed consent. They're still calling it that. But it's it's not you are given the pros of the of the procedure, the vaccine and the vitamin K, the negatives are whitewashed. Oh, it's completely safe. I mean, you don't need to worry about it's one of the million that you'll hear that quoted. And you won't be given the package insert, not that that's practical. It's a huge document. But you certainly will not be given the alternative of you don't have to take it. So you're now entering a world where there's no informed consent. It's a protocol and you just do it. You are so spot on folks, we learned from COVID The absolute worst thing you can do to your loved one is leave them alone in the hospital. When you said that it was like, bam, to you. Nothing could be further from the truth. That's if you have a baby, you don't leave him alone in the hospital. I can't tell you how many times the nurse was going well, we're just gonna take the baby to the nursery, so you can have a break. And they come back and they've gotten a shot. And the parents had explicitly said verbally and had written birth plan. No hepatitis B, and they got it anyway.

Brandon Campbell  58:57  
Yeah, that would not have been a good thing. For them. Yeah. And we were really rigorous about the only time they had to be away from us was a carseat test, I think. Because they were so tiny.

Dr. Paul  59:09  
Yeah. I would say even then you just, yeah, you do not let your child out of your sight. And if it's a parent who's in the hospital for whatever it is, whether it's surgery, you sent somebody's with them, they they won't always let you into the operating room. But besides that, you should be with your loved ones at all times, to thoughts, what are your recommendations for new parents and any other final thoughts you have?

Brandon Campbell  59:38  
My biggest recommendation is for any new parent, I don't care if they have never even considered that. You know, they might do something different with vaccines is you have to do your own research. You can't trust what the doctors say you can't trust what a pharmaceutical company could say or any of that you You have to do the research, it takes time it takes energy. And you will be thankful for even if you do the research and you come to a different conclusion than I did. I don't actually think you will. But if, if you do, that's okay. Because then you're able to you, you will look back on the decisions that you made and feel good about those decisions. Because you did the research. If you don't, and you make a different choice, and you get down the line, you have a whole lot of other things that you might have to deal with, just in your own mind because of that. So that was big for us. I wish I would have done more. And so to me, do the research and make your own informed consent because you won't receive it. Excellent advice.

Dr. Paul  1:00:47  
You mentioned high wire, there's children's health defense, their defender journal that comes out daily. There's so many other great resources on substack. This show for those of you who want to share that with your loved ones. Do you have any final thoughts?

Brandon Campbell  1:01:04  
I just appreciate what you and so many others are doing because you're right. It is a very broken system. And it's very, very unfortunate. What happens when you speak out, I saw another one recently, who's he's they're coming after as well. But thank you for what you do. And it's terrible to have to take that and walk down that but the things that you've been able to accomplish and will accomplish, I think I'm just beginning. So I'm excited for you and what's going to happen and thank you. And thank

Dr. Paul  1:01:41  
you, Brandon. I really appreciate you coming on the show and you've provided a piece of information. Well, a whole lot of information but some very important information for everybody to pay attention to.

Brandon Campbell  1:01:53  
God bless. Thank you.

Dr. Paul  1:02:01  
I look forward to running together with the wind at our backs, revealing the science that gives clarity in our world that's full of propaganda and misinformation. Visit our website, doctors and science.com Sign up. Donate if you can. Your support makes a difference. And let's make this the weekly show the world has been waiting for. Thanks for watching. I'm Dr. Paul.

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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
knocked ball Welcome to with the wind science revealed. My guest today is Mickey Willis. He's a human rights activist, investigative filmmaker, and He is respected globally for exposing the corruption at the highest levels. His powerful movies plan demic have been more censored than anything else in history. He's got a call for unity, you're going to see this, we're going to discuss his powerful story of what got him to do what he's doing, and how we, as a people can unite. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. Today, we want to talk about unity, you're going to see a brief seven minute video that Mickey Willis put together that just touched my heart, I had to share it with you. We're living in a world where there's conflict. And we're pitted against one another on just about anything you can think of. I grew up in Africa during the Civil Rights Movement. And there was all this conflict and the way the system would keep us divided, was what really allowed those in power to stay in power. And our movement for freedom today in this country is challenged by that same issue, the propaganda and the division and the infighting that happens. It's so destructive. So those in power those that want to control and dominate the world. Their real fear is that we will come together. And when humanity comes together, it's over, folks, you can't stop us. We just need to claim our freedom, join hands, and be that powerful force for good in the world.

Mikki Willis  1:50  
I've been a human rights activist for almost 20 years. As a documentary filmmaker, I've been on the front lines of many of our nation's biggest scandals and protests. From that perspective, I've been an eyewitness to the rise and fall of numerous people powered movements. Nearly every organized resistance I've been a part of has ended just inches from victory for the same critical mistake in fighting. When members of the same group turn against each other. It often begins with whispers about the most prominent spokespeople of a cause these rumors typically sound like I hear John is controlled opposition or some people are saying Jane is compromised. While the use of infiltrators and agitators is a very real thing. I've yet to experience one scenario where such a label was accurately applied. And suspiciously, these labels are always branded on the people who are making the most progress. But the degradation of the reputation goes their contribution to your life. Prior to social media, people actually sat down to dialogue through their differences. Today, without solid evidence or sufficient inquiry, we go directly to our keyboards to vent our suspicions. Even after the rumor is proven false or simply fades away. Some level of doubt and division always remains. This is all by design. Part of what allowed so many people to walk away from Assange with some of the meat to allegations that had surfaced and that were ultimately discredited, stuck in people's minds. The voice is a propaganda are masterful at this game, they knowingly run a false story, then retracted knowing the lie will reach millions are very few will see the correction. Amy Coney Barrett's religious faith has been called into question again. She belongs to the people of praise a group, which the Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled them a hate group. When I say that people of praise had been deemed a hate group. I just got them mixed up with another group, I conflated them. Okay, it happens you know, it's easy to do.

In the words of former CIA director William Casey will know their disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false. The planting of divisive rumors is one of the most common tactics used in psychological warfare as the lies balloon like worker bees, well intended citizens pollinate the masses with poisonous disinformation. What the gossiping bees fail to realize is that they themselves are doing the work of controlled opposition. They are literally unwittingly working on behalf of the very forces they believe they are resisting. Again, all of this is by design. While we've all been distracted by the latest trends and tragedies, everything that has influence on our behavior has been infiltrated by an agenda to control our thoughts. Whether their goal is to make us purchase a product, vote for a political party or submit to experimental inoculations. There are forces at work who understand the functionalities of your mind far better than you do. Their goal is total control. But because they are the few and we are the many, they can only achieve total control to the age old tactic of divide and conquer. You're either with them or with us. Never before have we been so divided divided politics, religion, nation, state, race, class, gender and now, vaccine status. To better understand how we got here, consider these three quotes from The Art of War by Sun Tzu. The Supreme Art of War is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Victorious Warriors win first and then go to war. The secret lies and confusing the enemy so that he cannot fathom our real intent. Those sons who lived over 2500 years ago, his work remains at the heart of our CIA, as well as the Chinese Communist Party's strategy today. It's no coincidence that around the same era as Sun Tzu, The words united we stand, divided we fall, we're first recorded. It is unity that will save our communities.

Unknown Speaker  5:45  
As you see in the audience, Muslims, Christians, the Jewish community, Democrats, Republicans, white, black, everyone, all in between. This is the example of what you get when you choose to attack all members of the human family.

Mikki Willis  5:58  
Our greatest power is our numbers. Hence, the relentless effort to shatter us into broken fragments. As their agendas are being exposed, the dividers will stop at nothing to cover their crimes against humanity. They have bonkers. All we have is each other. The good news is, that's all we need.

Though we are intrinsically interconnected, our minds are being wired to obsess on our differences. Contrary to social indoctrination, we do not have to be ideologically aligned to stand together. We don't even have to like each other. There is only one thing that we must agree on. The freedom is our birthright. Now's the time to let go of whatever it is you're holding on to that keeps you divided from your friends, family and fellow humans. Rise Above all the micro dramas and distractions to see that a much bigger story is unfolding. Swallow your pride, humble yourself. Let it go. I'm not suggesting that we look the other way when someone is clearly thwarting our forward momentum. There are people who deserve to be called out by name, especially those who are undermining our trust in each other. But even then, we should remember that there is a human life being affected by our words. We've been so conditioned to believe we are powerless, that we become careless with our power. Like toddlers with loaded guns. How many times do we need to shoot our own foot we realized the power is in our hands. The only thing that can stop us at this point is us. We've all been lied to scammed fooled, tricked, conned and coerced? Yes, it sucks. But here we are wiser and stronger than we were just three years ago. This is the moment for us to activate our innate ability to create solutions that can only happen for the awareness of symbiosis defined as a mutually beneficial relationship between different groups. All of life depends on relationships. Every living thing is in communication. From the Stars, to the planets, the Earth, the plants, the elements, the insects, the animals, the humans and every cell within us. Real change out there begins with real change inside. The question is, How bad does it have to get before we're willing to change?

Dr. Paul  8:38  
Welcome Mickey Willis, it's nice to have you on. Oh, I was about to say against the wind we just shifted our name to with the wind science revealed. It's great to have you back on the show. Thank you for and it's great to see you. You know, while I was busy being a pediatrician, for the last 35 years, you've been very active human rights. for over 20 years, a best selling author and investigative filmmaker. You're exposing corruption at the highest levels. Your movie pandemic is the most censored documentary in history I was reading. It's like, wow, that means you've done something right.

Mikki Willis  9:14  
Thank you so much. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Paul  9:16  
So you know, I watched your video a call for unity. And that just wow, that touched my heart. Powerful, powerful message. So But before we dive into that, I want our viewers and I need to be reminded. Tell us about your childhood. And what was it in your background that prepared you for this role that you have in society and in our world?

Mikki Willis  9:36  
Well raised by a single mom had four kids on our own, raised on welfare pretty poor. And then in my early 20s, I watched my brother struggle with AIDS for about eight years before he finally was killed by Anthony Fauci, AZT and 34 days later, my mom died of bad cancer treatments. Wow. So that was really the The my first week awakening, you know, there's been several on the path. But that was my first big awakening for me to it really inspired me to start questioning life and looking deeper at what really mattered. And and so I would say that was that was the real catalyst. You know, I had another experience I was at the World Trade Center and 2001 when it was attacked, and that was really a snap to grid for me. And that's what had me leave Hollywood. But it was really the medical stuff with my loved ones that I think it was the stuff that was a catalyst for the work I'm doing now.

Dr. Paul  10:34  
Wow. So you said leave Hollywood, you are in mainstream media Hollywood doing what?

Mikki Willis  10:40  
Oh, yeah. Living living the dream or the nightmare I should say. You know, it's, it's, it's quite a thing, Hollywood, there's so many people are attracted to it. And it's the goal for so many people. And it was for me at 19 years old, I packed up a U haul truck and moved on my own and lived in a little hotel for a little while that next to the Magic Castle in Hollywood. It was actually a magic hotel. And it was anything but magic. And, and then did my did my best to struggle through the maze of Hollywood and model for a short period. And that was the first time I ever got to travel. And so I got to go overseas and see the rest of the world which was also a wake up for me to see how the rest of the world lived, which was an eye opener. And, and then I started acting and I I fell in love with behind the scenes really fast. I lasted I had a little reoccurring part on Days of Our Lives and had a few bit roles here and there. And but I was you know, I was the actor. That was Washington what the camera crew was doing, you know, that's what I wanted to do. And so as soon as I could I actually built a theater and started teaching acting, and, and which, which really led to writing and directing for theater and, and that's when that's where I cut my teeth. And then and then I started directing in the heyday of infomercials, I started directing infomercials. And it's really funny because my kids and I just finished watching an incredible series called 1883, which is a Western, and it is the most powerful television that I've ever seen in my life. I think 10 episodes, but the executive producer of that I recognize the name and I realized, oh, that's the guy that gave him my start, same guy who produced that series. So he was he was doing infomercials at the time. He's moved on to bigger, better things, too.

Dr. Paul  12:39  
So when you broke out on your own, what was your first project?

Mikki Willis  12:45  
First project was a little movie called shoeshine boys, which we later renamed to prank. And it was a little micro budget, dark comedy. And, and it was it was actually the thing that led me to New York 911 2001 We I was there a meeting with distributors to line up a distribution deal. And that's why I was in New York. And I ended up staying there and doing search and rescue and body recovery and all that and, and so that little film in its own way, you know, when I look back at it now I still have it in film format. And there's pieces of it online. But it wasn't the message I wanted to say and it had so many is a great little film. But it had so many things that happen it stopped it you know is about two kids that pulled a prank on America. And right after we finished the film, Columbine happened, and no one would touch it. And it was and then we had the sag strike and all these different things. It just kept momentum and then it would kill it momentum. And then I'm here I'm in New York and just got it did on 982 1001. Kind of a legend in the business said I'm taking this film under my wings, and we're gonna do something with this. And two days later, three days later. 911

Dr. Paul  13:59  
Wow. And then when it came to your activism that started sounds like around 911 era. How did that evolve?

Mikki Willis  14:10  
Well, that was that was kind of a gradual process for me. You know, I avoided politics my whole life. But after the 911 experience, I put everything I had in storage and went to live on a friend's vineyard in the Napa Valley. And I was hired to write and direct the sequel to EZ rider the classic, iconic movie. I wrote the screenplay, and then as it started to get real and Jay Leno announced it and then it was announced the Cannes Film Festival. All the people that were involved in it changed and I saw that that that kind of cannibalism of Hollywood where they all the sharks came out and I found myself in this position that I said I would never be in again. And I walked away from it. I walked away from a $400,000 paycheck, which was I never made anything close to that as an artist at that point in my life, but I just couldn't play the game. And so for me, it was temptation. It was a real, you know, Soul check at what did I really experienced something that changed me, or was it a temporary situation and I'm gonna go right back to my old habits and goals. And but this was the experience for me that was the first time I walked away, I've walked away from millions at this point, but I just I walked away from it. And, and then I started something called the elevat Film Festival, I met the love of my life, which we've been together for 20 years now, won and, and created the elevat Film Festival, because it was really a, it was a global challenge for other filmmakers to create meaningful work, because I know that's why 95% of us get into the business to move people to do something positive. And then the machinery just kind of makes you a slave to selling products and ideologies that are not your own, or that you wouldn't even use yourself and and so we started the Elevate Film Festival. And, and so many people shut up. And this thing blew up overnight and became the largest single screen event in the world. And what that means single screen event what that means is, there's a lot of film festivals that might have, they might be showing films and 20 theaters at once. And they have you know, 300 people per theater or whatever. But we had 6000 per arena watching one screen together. So it's a very unifying and incredible experience and really put us on the map. But after that experience, and realizing that I kind of had another awakening at one point, took a trip and did some time really sacred ceremonies with some indigenous elders in Peru and ended up on top of a mountain and and I got the really clear guidance that we're here to do something bigger, even our next show was at the Hollywood Bowl for 17,000. That it's only 17,000 and that it wouldn't move the needle and that it was almost like a premonition of what was coming that something was coming so much bigger that we needed to prepare for and, and kind of get out of the box of thinking that Hollywood Bowl is big. And understand that this thing called the internet was created so that we could reach the entire human population, or at least those who have internet and and so I dropped the festival at its peak, and and then decided that we're going to dedicate the rest of our our career to making films that make a difference.

Dr. Paul  17:33  
Wow. And does that bring us up to pandemic?

Mikki Willis  17:38  
Well, not quite yet. We, the first my first parlay into politics was like I said, I'd avoided it my whole life. I kind of bought into the old adage of never discuss politics. And so I never did I just, you know, I was happy to stay away from it. And then this character named Bernie Sanders comes along. And you know, as I mentioned, being a kid raised on welfare with a single mom, his rhetoric really moved me. And the idea of helping women and helping minorities and people that were struggling. And at that time, you know, because I wasn't fully aware, I wasn't as a scholar of capitalism or anything like that. I really thought that, you know, all the greedy people are the problem in the world. All the rich people are the problem the world when it really is the greedy people, I should say, yeah. And so I ended up filming an event for Bernie, and then a couple of celebrities that were with him. Shailene Woodley and Rosario Dawson, actually, Rosario was following me online. I didn't even know it. And I was doing a lot of Father Son videos, and, and she was following me online. And she said, why don't you come on the tour with us. And so I ended up filming Bernie's 2016 tour. And that's when I had my political awakening. While I was on tour and asking very straightforward, very clear questions. I was receiving the opposite and answers, nothing clear. Nothing straightforward, and nothing that made sense. And I started to realize that kind of, you know, the street kid in me came out and I realized there's there's a rat here, I'm smelling it, and something's wrong. And the more I got into it, the more I realized that I had been bamboozled by a rhetoric. And so I left the tour and announced online that I was you know, no longer supporting Bernie and that was the first time I saw the shallowness, the fragility of the left and how quick they called me a traitor and I got death threats, and it was just crazy. It was like, for simply stating the fact that I'm making another choice in my life right now. And it was shocking to me, because I didn't know that that's what the party was about. Then I started doing deep homework and really studying politics and the history of and and the history of the parties and policies. And and I just did decided that, from this point on, I'm not going to go into identify with any party, but I'm going to tell the truth wherever that truth lies. And we did the first real kind of crossing the line of the point of no return was when the narrative came out about the Covington students, the Nick Sandman case where, for those who might remember a few years ago, there was a bunch of 15 year old kids from Covington, Kentucky, students, Catholic kids that were at the Right to Life march. And, and it just so happens that the first indigenous peoples March was scheduled right around the corner from that event suspiciously, and that they ended up rallying the boys kind of into their area where they set them up for a massive media smear, saying that the boys surrounded the Native American elders with their red Magga hats on and started chanting build the wall. And I actually started to make a video to expose the kids because I was working at the time with a lot of Native American communities, and particularly Lakota. And they were involved in this and and, and I bought it hook, line and sinker. But I it took me a half a day to figure out that it was an entire setup, and it was a lie. And so in the middle of that I asked my crew, I said, Well, we've all looked at all the footage now we have a two hour live stream. The boys never said Build a wall. They were as polite as can be. We have all their cell phone footage. They're not even, I couldn't find them using the word Damn. They were just saying, Can we be friends? Can we shake hands? They were very cordial. But yet these adults were just doing everything they can to bait these kids and make them look bad. And, and I got my crew together. And I said, Well, we all see the truth now. And this is a truth because these boys appear to represent Donald Trump because they're wearing these red hats. Which the truth of the matter was, I talked with a chaperone that day one of the parents and she said, the kids were getting lost. And she goes just like they do at Disneyland. They saw, you know, you saw a vendor, and there were $5 Red Hats, and they all bought hats, just so they wouldn't lose each other. They don't know what those mean. And what that that's politics, nothing to do with politics. Yeah. But yet these kids are being smeared as mascots for Donald Trump. And I said, if we tell the truth on this one, in this climate, we're never coming back. And so my brave crew said, we're here to tell the truth. So let's just do it. And so we told the truth, and again, another round of smears and death threats and just craziness and, and that was really the, the thing that pushed me over the line to to even go deeper, which is I would say, now we're up to speed on on what gave me the courage to create pandemic. Wow, that's,

Dr. Paul  22:44  
we do share something I was a missionary kid. And I wouldn't say poor, but But yeah, we weren't wealthy, that's for sure. And, you know, missionaries, and in my family, it was always, you know, I had that same feeling that you had, which was that, you know, it's the rich that are the problem and felt like the Democrats were, you know, taking care of the poor and all of that kind of stuff. And what a wake up call we've had right

Mikki Willis  23:08  
huge wake up call and it's you know, I even had my buddy Delbeke train his wife over a week ago, because we were all lefties, I would even say I was a far left, you know, it was a that was as close as you can get to Antifa without without, you know, wearing a stupid face coverings. And but I had Dell and his wife Leo with it the other night too, because we were talking about the future of how it really changes and how do we make change real change and, and, and I was showing them some of my research about the Democratic Party and it shocked them you know, because they knew enough to know that it's the party's behind COVID And it's the it's behind censorship and the lock downs I knew that but they didn't I said you know that it was you know, Republican Party. This is not an endorsement for the Republican Party but it was part of me just ironing out how big of a lie has been told that was founded by 150 Black men and it was the Democratic Party actually was the party of the kk k and and fought against civil rights and and Democrat killed Lincoln over him freeing the slaves you know, it's it's like when you get down to all of that and you realize that the roots of that party because it was really like how did somebody you know, was saying how do we reform the party and I just said it's just if you know the history you wouldn't even ask that question because you can't reform it's like saying I'm gonna go reform the keh keh keh keh keh keh was set up to be what it is. And so it's it was shocking to me, especially being born or raised in California, where everything was pro Democrat and anti Republican. And so it's it's a real wake up call that I hope other people have completely because it until we understand the The the really the inner workings and the roots of that party will continue to be bamboozled and divided by the media that they control 95% off.

Dr. Paul  25:11  
Yeah, this would be a good moment to pivot a little bit, maybe we'll bypass pandemic for the moment and I want to get into your call for unity video. Because Wow. Talking about just politics, Republicans Democrats in that call for unity, you point out that, you know, well, you you share with with our audience, what inspired you for this particular call for unity?

Mikki Willis  25:40  
Well, you know, the video is really about infighting. And so, as a 20 plus year activist, I, it took me a while to learn this, of course, because it's done so covert covertly. But people a lot will pick up military lingo, you know, they'll start saying things like someone's controlled opposition, or they're compromised, or what have you, and, and good people on the same team will start to battle and start to smear each other, and sue each other and slander each other and all this stuff that happens. And I've watched this happen over and over with really important people powered movements. And it's, and what I say in the video is, it's it's suspiciously, it's always the people who are making the most progress, that then get smeared. If you look at I mean, just look at all the people that Julian Assange is of the world of the people that are, you know, they're called the worst things you could possibly be called. They're, you know, many times they're accused of, you know, rape or something like that. totally unfounded. They find one woman like Kavanaugh, right, someone to bring a bunch of unfounded accusations against someone even you know, but but yet no, no one remembers the moment no one remembers where the house is, the friends don't even remember, it's completely fabricated. But that the stigma of the story reduces that person's power to actually make change. And that's what it's about. So when people talk SIOP and a psyop, is a psychological operation, it's a military term. Because the wars these days, because any kind of a, a military strike these days with any other superpower would pretty much mean total annihilation for all of us. We, you know, we're at that point. So, the years ago, I think a lot of the superpowers realized, well, we messed with the US and they had the most powerful military will probably get destroyed. And so let's do it psychologically. And, and I point out in the video that the Art of War by Sun Tzu is a very important book to read. And there's some quotes that I add in that video there, because it's all about defeating the enemy without fighting, it's all about defeating the enemy from within. And so one of the things that I think a lot of Americans are waking up to right now is that the enemies have breached our gates, they're inside, and they're foreign, and they're domestic. And so we are in World War, World war three, and we have been for a number of decades, it just looks very differently than we're used to. And, you know, they've infiltrated our schools or school boards, or as you know, medicine and academia and everything has been infiltrated with destructive ideologies that lead our next workforce, our our, and our military, someone just showed me today an animated military, promotional video, that's just absolutely ridiculous and have a side by side comparing it to what Russia has video, which was really about testosterone field, you know, which some people might have a judgment against that. And then ours was just, I have two moms, and, and we're, you know, and so I found a great way to love the world as joining the military. And it's really just like, unbelievable propaganda for small children. But it's not even really about the military. It's about the ideology of, of further pressing this agenda to confuse our next generations about gender. I am a, you know, liberal, but not in the Democratic sense. I'm liberal in the way that I, I, when I say I stand for freedom, I stand for freedom, and you have the right to do whatever you want to do with your body in your space. So long as it doesn't affect anyone else that doesn't want to experience that and in a negative way, such as bringing those ideologies to someone else's child. And so I have a major problem, which is why my wife and I started a new educational program and the kids were thriving because we just said, There's no way we're going to subject our kids to the ideologies that are being pressed in this in this corrupt educational system. And so getting back onto the Unity video, it was really, I've been mediating so many of the infighting that's been happening with a lot of the top doctors, you're probably the only one that I haven't hadn't had a conversation with about it. But I've spent hours and weeks on the phones, with most of them, just letting them know from my perspective, like Don't take the bait. You can disagree with someone, you can even hate someone go for it, that's fine. That's your, again, freedom. That's that's your choice. But all of this online smearing this going out and public, to to smear someone, if it as I say in the video, there are some people that need to be called out by name. But the majority of the time, they don't the majority of the time, they're just people being egotistical people and are they're saying something and people don't agree that you know, someone's calling it a vaccine, and it's it's not a vaccine, they shouldn't say that. And they, whatever it is, you know, our we need all the bodies, we need the we need the numbers we need. Everyone we can get to at least say we're standing here in this fight together. The moment we turn our attention towards each other, we're wasting so much time. And the enemy there are enemies out there enemies against humanity, enemies against nature and enemies against life. They're laughing at us. Because this is the whole game is division. And I'll say as somebody that was raised adjacent to the, you know, gay and lesbian community because my brother was gay. It was when I was a child. And I was first learned that you my brother's gay, oh, it was kind of I grew up he was 14 years older than me. So from the moment I grew up, I, it was normalized to me. And I don't mean in a negative way, because the community actually treated me wonderfully. A bunch of very wonderful people that my brother bought around, brought around a never, never a problem. That's, you know, but it was easy for me to conceive as a young man. I remember the moment when I went from the gay community to the gay and bisexual is like, well, I can understand next, my brother had a wife, and then he had a boyfriend and Okay, so they went both ways. And then it was gay, bisexual, lesbian, and I thought, Well, what a weird word what the women don't want to be called gay. I don't I remember as a young man going, that's strange to me. But now look what it is LGBTQ i A plus whatever. I'm not endorsing anything. Here, I want the viewers and listeners to know that it's just an example and metaphor to show that that's that's how they want all those groups in fighting. That's why the divide them up. That's why they have feminism when that first started, I think most of us could agree on very simple, women should be voting, and they should have the right to equal rights that men have and all of that, that it was second wave, third wave, fourth wave. And now all those groups are in fighting. And now all the, you know, all the you know, gay people that are saying are fighting against the, you know, transgender women in sports. And so they're all infighting. And so we take our eye off the ball, because now we're all battling each other. And that's the only way, the only way that we can lose this. So I made the video, hopefully, and I'm so glad that it's getting so much traction out there. To just really wake people up to understand that that's, that's truly the game. And as I say in the video, that we're actually doing the work of controlled opposition, when we gossip and smear each other. We need to stand with each other. And like, as I said, even if we don't like each other.

Dr. Paul  33:32  
Yeah, no, absolutely. Sounds like we get pitted against one another with all these little battles. Not that they're irrelevant. But in the big scheme of things, they are irrelevant. What we have one common threat, do we not? And that's the threat against our freedom and bodily integrity. You know, and and if we can't unite around that, we've got the next Holocaust is upon us.

Mikki Willis  33:56  
Well, you know, I was part of producing the defeat the mandates event that took place in DC and Los Angeles. And so we had 10s of 1000s of people show up to this. And there was a moment when he's become a good friend of mine now. Riza Islam came up to me, he had a mask on, he pulled it down, he goes, pandemic, and I said, Yeah, and he goes, Ah, nice work, man. And he walked away and, and, you know, his Nation of Islam, he's, he's taller than I am. He's six, five. And, you know, he was so cordial, and so much gratitude in his eyes for the work that I had done. I stood there and I looked around. And I realized I said, I we have black lives matter here. We have Nation of Islam. We have Hasidic Jews. We have top doctors. We have mothers, we have fathers, we have Christians, we have Muslims. We are all united for our freedom. But around that same time, I realized this optic is going to be bring a whole slew of diversionary tactics that we have to be careful, because now they see us together in that way. They're going to do everything they can to break us apart. And that's that they're doing a really good job of that right now. But I trust that we're going to wizened up and, and recognize the game very soon.

Dr. Paul  35:22  
Yeah, it feels like the propaganda just intensifies. I mean, if you watch anything on mainstream that has to do with COVID, or vaccines, it's just every single word out of their mouths is lies. Yes, yeah. And when you hear that on every single outlet of news, even large social media platforms, my own mother goes, Well, Paul, how could you be right? And everybody else is wrong. Say, mom, I've been living this battle, this whole issue for my entire career, or at least the last 20 years.

Mikki Willis  35:53  
Yeah, that's the illusion of truth, what I call it because that's the that was the hardest thing for people to get when pandemic came out is they would say that all the time, it's just what your work feels valid. Like it resonates with me as truth, but I just can't get with the idea that there's this giant conspiracy going on and all these people are behind it. And I said, well, the vast majority are not behind it. They're just going along with it. And it's the same way that Hitler it's mass formation it's psychosis it's it's it's it's hypnosis. way when Hitler you know, all the dictators and, and totalitarian leaders, they hypnotize the people into doing their dirty work, the same thing for Big Pharma has done, you know, big pharma doesn't fight their battles. They're not they have no, you know, they're immune from having to fight anything. And so who fights for Big Pharma? The people who say something negative about a drug, you say, Ritalin is bad for kids, don't put your kids on Ritalin, oh, you get attacked crazy. You know, and, and, and these are the same parents that will be crying and five years when when their son or daughter is in rehab, or have overdosed and died. You know, and so you can't say anything about these horrific drugs that have been that are killing humanity in record numbers, because Big Pharma has done such a great job at pretending to be the Savior. And that's one of the biggest problems, Paul is that we, we, I think we're so programmed into being followers and waiting for someone to save us, you know, all the hero movies and all that someone's going to come save us that we're always looking for someone to be the knight in shining armor. And this is the moment I've been studying mythology and storytelling for over 30 years. And, and if you look at the work of, let's say, Joseph Campbell, and the hero's journey, and all of that, and all the iconic movies that are worth remembering. There's a common theme. And then it's it's a reluctant hero. It's a hero that goes out in search of the hero. And then they're told the forces within you are the one. That's the common story. That's the hero's journey. And so I think that because we've lost trust, and that's actually a good thing right now. We've lost trust and authority, that we're going to be left with only one source to trust and that's awesome. God. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  38:40  
it feels like people have lost the ability to do critical thinking. And I mean, certainly in medical school, it's very militaristic in the sense of it's top down education. When you're, you graduate from medical school, you become an intern, right? So you pretty much obey what your senior resident tells you who obeys what the attending tells them. And we all listen to the CDC and you know those oh my gosh, those amazing people Yeah, it's it's quite just top down and then you park your ability to think critically it's absolutely hugely concerning. Yeah,

Mikki Willis  39:19  
that's all by design really, you know, the every every device that we're addicted to and and just the our surroundings enhance our this this kind of default system we have for to become dependent to be taken care of. Yeah, and and it kind of flies in the face of what should be the goal and that sovereignty you know, my wife said today and we're I'm hyper aware of it you might my boys were in Texas, and it's as close as it can get to snowing right now. It's everything's frozen and I have an eight year old and 11 year old and two extraordinary young men and their adventures. And so I don't even know what the temperature is right now. But it's cold. And they decided they wanted to go to the park. And so we live half a mile from the park. And so of course, I go, Okay, fine, have a good time. And so, you know, my, my wife, she says, They have Apple watches. So she says, just let me know when you made it there. And, and then they let her know that they made it. And then a little while she was caught, a lot of time has passed, it might be getting him to call, I should go pick them up. You know? And I said, No, let's please, please don't, please don't, because they made a choice to go out into uncomfortable environment. And I don't want them to feel that they can make radical choices and just be bailed out. I want them to deal with the consequences of their choice. And that might be uncomfortable, and they might be really cold. But let them experience that. Because that's an incredible lesson for us and know that what that our life is comprised of moment to moment choices. And so many of our youth have been coddled to the point of not, that's why they have safe spaces now, right? Someone says something that you deem to be violent speech. And then you need a safe space. So you can avoid being challenged by someone's voice, which is a word is just a breath and a vibration, that sound. So we're literally becoming so fragile that we can't deal with, with speech. Not us, but so many of us. And it's a very dangerous thing. And that's all part of the SIOP. Because when you have a generations of people that are too fragile to hear, speech, they don't agree with how they're going to protect the country. Yeah, how are they going to become an entrepreneur, which requires a lot of stamina, dealing with defeat, and failure, and drama and legalities. And they're not, they're not going to do anything. And that's the goal. It's like, they just let the you know, just take the stipends or socialist stipends from the state, which comes with total control. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  42:25  
So are you allowed to talk about your next movie yet?

Mikki Willis  42:29  
Oh, yeah, I have, I have three movies, there'll be four movies, actually, but three of them I can talk about.

Dr. Paul  42:35  
Fantastic. So the next one coming, I believe, is pandemic three, right.

Mikki Willis  42:41  
Pandemic three, the Great Awakening, I wish it were, I wish it was the next one. It's, it's the last in line of the three, I have a couple others that will be out before then we have a movie called bad medicine about people being killed by remdesivir. And ventilators in the hospital, we have a movie called Follow the silenced, which has been a year and a half or so in the making. And that is about the people that were severely injured, and what they're doing to heal and, and really the truth behind the people that were vaccine injured. And then we have planned to move through the Great Awakening, which is the big picture, it's less about COVID, and more about what COVID was used for. And, and the people behind it. And, and also the the mask formation aspect of what keeps us out of our ability to critically think and how to wake up from that, how to wake up our loved ones from that, and how to how to create, create our way out of this mess.

Dr. Paul  43:40  
Wonderful. I mean, that's, I can't wait for that movie, because that is part. The biggest conundrum and challenge is so many of my loved ones being as I came from that liberal environment, right, I live in Oregon, and we're almost everybody's democratic here. And I don't have a party. I'm I'm just like you, we're gonna follow the truth. And we're going to stand for the truth. And that's that, but you have your loved ones who you see them kind of headed towards the cliff, right? And you want you want to save them? And how how do we do that? When they're, I can't wait to see to see her movie.

Mikki Willis  44:19  
Yeah, thank you. We were putting a lot of effort into it. It's, it's I unfortunately, fortunately, and unfortunately, I have to take a break for about a month from it. Because I have a movie that I'm going to film for Prager University starts it starts on the 13th. And so we'll knock that one out. And probably three weeks or so it'll be a quick one. But you know, when I sat down to say what the reason the pandemic one really hit that Zeitgeist was the timely subject. And the whole world was asking questions of what's really going on, they could feel that something was up. And so when I sat down to say what is the next thing that we can say that will be as important as the first one or more. It was really about solutions. It's it's, it's we have been systemically divided from our nature. And this has happened, I've never been more aware of it than I am today. Even some of my favorite films that perpetuate the narrative that humans are a parasite on the planet, a failed experiment. This is all when we lower our esteem of what it is to be human. It's actually the most disrespectful thing we can do. That we can believe against the gift that is life and against the creation of life, is to somehow assume that, and I get it because I used to have a saying, when I was much younger, I say I were just moss on a rock. And we're trying to make meaning out of the tourists Masana rock, just growing wild. And here we are trying to make it mean something. I don't believe that anymore. I believe that we are brilliant, and resilient. The human body is one of the most extraordinary instruments ever, that we're capable of so much more than I think we've ever been allowed to explore. And that the gift of this horrific situation of the past two and a half plus years, is that I think it's forcing us to confront that truth.

Dr. Paul  46:36  
Amen. Absolutely. So I don't know if you can share this. But what's the best way for people to break this spell when you're under that spell? Because you you can't see or critically think because you're already under that spell?

Mikki Willis  46:55  
Yeah. Well, well first, stop paying attention. And when I say paying attention, I mean that in a very literal sense, our attention. I mean, mentioned, I've been studying the work of Joseph Campbell's hero's journey for years. And within the hero's journey, mythologies, they'll always talk about the Holy Grail or the boon, it's this treasure, the Jewel of the Nile, it's the treasure that a lot of the heroes are going after. And that might be love that might be survival. And a lot of times it's a lot of money or it's some some ancient treasure or whatever it might be. And and I asked myself years ago, so what what is the holy grail? Like, what is it really because I, all these movies are metaphors for the Holy Grail, but what is it and a few years ago, I it just came to me I said, it's, it's this thing we call our attention. Our attention is the rudder of our ship it the wheel that controls the rudder of our ship. And our attention has been hijacked. I know this from producing commercials and being in boardrooms with high level ad executives that the entire objective is to capture your attention. That's why you see so many commercials with you know, scantily clad women has nothing to do with the hamburger or the car, they're selling or whatever. But it gets your attention. So you look, because women look and men look and then it's like, by the way, we're selling this and it has nothing to do with the product or the ingredients in the product or how its how its formulated, that didn't really care about that anymore. It's just good branding and and capture your attention. And then you become a lifelong customer, you buy their product and most of the products are made with ingredients that are addictive. So once you start you'll be a customer for life. And so for us to an answer to your question, it is to become the masters of our attention again, we get to place our attention wherever we choose it to be. And because it's been hijacked right now, many people the will of their attention is in someone else's hands. And so they hear a phrase, they see a billboard there, whatever, and they just go like a robot and they move there and they and they react and they get on the front lines and they start chanting slogans that they don't even know what they mean because they their attention has been hijacked and so to reclaim that to become you know, the that is our dominion is is I get to choose it's helped me understanding this when I did help me through the My 911 experience and all of that because there was a moment when I had seen a lot of stuff while we were collecting body parts and and I had a we were told 40 Some hours and everyone needed to go take all the rescue workers go take a nap, because otherwise we'd be dangerous to ourselves and everyone else around and so I tried to and I had this little this little lucid dream him were a voice said to me, this could be your Vietnam. And I set up and I had to think about that, what what does that mean? And I realized that as a young man, being born in the late 60s, that my impression of Vietnam vets was the guys that I saw on the corners that needed a lot of help. And, you know, begging for food and help, because of what they saw messed them up somehow that they couldn't participate in society in a healthy way. And so I thought, Wow, this could be my Vietnam cheese. Have I seen too much already? Do I get to choose? Or is it just, is it just automatic. And I remembered that my attention is my holy grail I get to choose. And so I shifted from a place of fear to a place of gratitude, I had a great cry. And I realized how lucky I was to be standing on the rubble of this experience, that, that most of the world was wishing they could be there to help. And somehow, I ended up there and this moment that I could did, I could be part of this horrific, historic experience in my nation. And so it shifted, that became the catalyst for good stuff. I didn't have the health issues that a lot of people I was with had. I didn't have no no, no PTSD, except for very mild anytime I hear. You know, Earthmovers of the beat beat backing up. Right away. I always flashback but it's not a negative flashback. It's just a memory. So it's a very valuable thing for us to protect the same way that we protect our infants protect your attention. Where do you place it? When they say paying attention? You are paying with your attention? So what are you paying? What are you funding? Propaganda? Watch, be very careful at what you pay attention to. I taught my boys this. And now sometimes I'll say, Can I watch some dad, they'll turn it on, I'll walk out of the room, I come back and TV's off and I go, what happened? You don't like it, they go, No, it's propaganda. Good for them. You know, and, and so it's like, to be able to say is attractive as this is as alluring as this might be, I'm bored, I need entertainment. Protect your attention and and place it where it needs to be, you know, learn, study, grow. And, and, and also stay out of the negativity. You know, that's another thing fear it, there's, there's there's chemical as there's things that occur in the world of dopamine and serotonin, and that we have to understand what we experience triggers these hormones, and thus creates, we create our reality from the experience, of, of, of, of what gets released in our body. And so the more we experience, doom and gloom and fear, the more we're triggering this addiction to doom and gloom and fear. And, and if we understand that the human body is like a radio of your car, is a receiver and a broadcaster, it receives through that little antenna, and then it and then broadcast the music for you. We are receivers and broadcasters. And so if we're, we spend our time absorbing and consuming negativity, that's the station that we're tuned to. That's the music that we're broadcasting in the world. So on one hand, we're here trying to do something good in the world and do something positive. But as I say, you know, the majority of our of our thoughts are unconscious, unconsciously 90% of our world has been created negatively. And so the more that we become aware of the realities of the negativity, I don't mean bypass it by not looking at it, but be be aware. And then transform it transmute it. You know, it's like alchemy transmute that into just like I did on the, at the World Trade Center. I said, this could destroy me, and this could be my Vietnam, or it could be something wonderful. I get to choose what that is. And so for me to my, my personal work has been shortening that space between the, the negative experience and the alchemy, because I know that a lot of the negative experiences I've had in my life, I look back two years, 10 years later, and I went wow, that breakup was the best thing that ever happened to me at the time. It was disastrous, but what a gift. So now my life is about something happens and it occurs to me as as I resist it in the moment. And then I just go I'm an I look back on this as a gift. So I might as well do it now save me save myself some time, and then doesn't stick to us. And it doesn't change our music. So we can broadcast what we came here to sing.

Dr. Paul  55:11  
Wow, you can tell a lot about a person by where they put their attention or where they spend their money and their time. That's a huge, powerful reminder to all of us. As we wrap up, I'm just curious how you study this, and in your filmmaking, at this point, what are the greatest threats that you see coming? And how do we prepare?

Mikki Willis  55:36  
Well, China's a really big threat. And so China is dead set on becoming the next superpower. And they they own majority of our debt. They're producing 90 plus percent of all the precious materials that we need for things like microchips, computer chips, everything that, you know, has to do with our cell phones and technologies. They've had spies in our universities for decades, stealing all of our secrets. And when I, when I say that, I want to be super clear that it's not the wonderful, brilliant Chinese people, it's the Communist Party. And what people don't know is that we are in a cultural revolution here. So if you study Mao, and what happened in China with Mao's Cultural Revolution, to get people to, to adhere to what where China is right now, which is in a state of total communism. I mean, they don't hide it. They call it the CCP, it's the Chinese Communist Party. And people are prisoners, you hear a lot of propaganda people saying, Oh, you guys are all wrong. No, it's these people cannot speak out of line. They just had a protest. And one thing that a lot of people don't know here in America is the vast majority of those protesters have disappeared. And that's China China if you have religious beliefs that they don't agree with which is they're atheists so that means any religious belief it's not uncommon that they will kidnap you take your Oregon's sell them and bury you. This is a reality that's occurring today that a lot of people don't want to look at. And so so that's China. And and they are, they are a big threat to what we're doing here. That's the CCP and is very big threat. They're having some troubles economically, which it could could slow this process and could be our saving grace. But we also don't want China to fail because they have such a stranglehold on us and the rest of the world that if they fail, we all fail. So we don't want destruction for China. But we certainly I would love to have them kind of give up their their strike against our life and our future here. So there's that. And, and the Cultural Revolution, the Mao's Cultural Revolution basically did away with everything worth living and dying for. So they created a genderless society, they shaved that woman's women's heads, they put everyone in the same uniform, they wanted a sexuality. They really messed up though, because with their one child policy and all of that, that they're facing, collapse, their population is so old, because they don't have new people being born, that they they have ghost cities, entire cities that are unpopulated, so this is part of why they're in an economic down word spiral right now. And so that's very, that's, but that's what the has been implemented here. So this kind of a Marxist, this, these woke agendas that seemed benevolent, and, and moral and, and just about freedom, just about inclusivity. Just about it's all of this is the Cultural Revolution, this is how they do it. They they push against any kind of religion, because religion gives people strength, they don't, they will, they will die for their faith. They push against the family big time, because there's very few things that men would fight over more than protecting their family. So they break down the family, they want to make the kids part of governed by the government. And they've made great progress in this nation already, as we've all been seen and learning. And so all of that depends on political policies, if that continues or not. We have a very corrupt voting system. And so we have to fix that. Because politicians are selected, they're not elected. And so we have to make sure that that's fixed, so that we can actually start welcoming in the people that we understand Understand this. And because any further momentum that this gains moves us further away from the sovereignty and survival, quite quite honestly. So We have to be aware of that. But to be aware that, you know, I've been an environmental activist for 25 years or so. And I will tell you that the vast majority, majority of the climate narrative is absolute BS. We are 100% doing harm to our environment. There is something called manmade climate change to a certain degree, but not to a disastrous degree, we are affecting the climate. Our real issue is pollution. We're polluting our soil, our water, our air, everything you can imagine, they don't want to call it pollution though, because there's solution to every every style of pollution, there's a solution, we have the money for it, we can clean up our oceans, we can clean up our soil, we can start stop spraying harmful chemicals on our crops, we can we can do this stuff tomorrow. So they don't want to call it that they want to name it some invisible boogeyman that only politicians have access to helping. And so for people to be really aware that your emotions are being toyed with I call it weaponized morality. And so when you hear particularly the, the Democratic politicians talk about anything that sounds good, it's probably not, it's probably just a way to capture the rest of your liberties. And they'll never fix the problem. So let's wizened up to that and understand that that is the game a lot of them don't know, that's the game they're playing, you know, the AOC is or the world or whatever, they're just puppets. They've been so indoctrinated that they believe it. So it's not like they're, they're, you know, intentionally lying to the people. They're just incredibly misinformed. And so climate change is going to be COVID was a dress rehearsal for climate change. Climate change is where they're going to issue carbon credits, they're going to start telling people what kind of cars to drive they've already started, you know, hinting out, you know, getting rid of gas stoves, and it's total control, it's what kind of stove you can have, what kind of car you can have, how many miles a month, you can drive, if at all, they're trying to create the cities where everything you know, Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum are talking about these cities now beyond smart cities, but these these cities where everything's within 15 minute walk, so there's no reason you can just have a bike and bike everywhere. But those are fully surveyed cities and and that's what they ultimately want like China has literally I've seen them facial recognition systems you know, crowds of people coming out at rush hour and every single person that machine picks them up immediately and there's their name there's their information there's a data you're gonna data basic until you all you have 50,000 people that walked the street that day and and in that car that's how they got these protesters is a facial record recognize all of them and they went one by one and swept them up. And And trust me, no one will after that, because you had it back in tenement square and then now modern day which everyone i Everyone who knows China's like these people are brave enough to to protest in China right now. Those are the bravest people on the planet. And but no one will ever do that again. Until that until that regime changes because they made an example out of them and now they're gone. Wow. In jail or dead? I

Dr. Paul  1:03:23  
don't know. Yeah. Incredible. Well, I know people can go to pandemic series.com, right to get more information.

Mikki Willis  1:03:32  
Pandemic series.com has all of my films on there and all my films are free, my book is free, I refuse to profit off of anything pandemic related. So my audio book is right on there, click on it and download it. You'll see we have a little The only thing that I because I don't know how I survive these days except for trying to find you know, little little merchandise stuff to sell it. So we have shirts like this, we have hoodies and shirts and hats. You see that on the website that's called Rebel lion that that's our our store that we created so that we can stay afloat. I welcome anyone we work 100% on donations. And it all goes to make the movies that you've all seen out there and there's a donation button on pandemic series.com. I appreciate that if people can support us and and I appreciate you for your continued support. I love coming full circle back with you. I think the first time we sat down I just looked at that interview the other day, it just popped up on my harddrive. And I just remember having such a great experience sitting next to you and feeling your incredible compassion and love for humanity. So anything you ever need, don't hesitate to call me.

Dr. Paul  1:04:44  
Thank you Mickey. Folks, you've if you've gotten this far, you've already watched the call for unity. Go to plan demic series.com and support Mickey and his work and watch those movies if you haven't seen them yet. They are powerful and life changing. Thanks Mickey. Thank you

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