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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Paul Welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. Today's show features an interview with orthopedic surgeon Joe wall Skog. He is also the chairman and co founder of React 19, an organization that is supporting COVID vaccine injured individuals something that's desperately needed. His story's incredible. So early on and 2020 He gets an exposure to COVID 19. He he basically was asymptomatic, had antibodies against the disease but was required to get the vaccine. So he waited the three months got his Maderna jab, and very quickly thereafter developed debilitating pain, numbness, weakness, transverse myelitis. He was taken from his career and as he tried to share this information with his colleagues, was then ostracized by the very people who were his peers. Incredible story. I then talked with Beatrice Burch, founder and executive director of grace Brook Farm and a program called inner fire. We discussed the recovery from debilitating and traumatic life experiences that typically lead to mental health, where she likes to call soil health issues. And then the challenges like addictions that can develop from those situations. It's instructive for all of us who live in this stressful time. Bernadette ends today with a very brief and quick reminder about supporting the organizations that are bringing the most important information to our world that were otherwise not getting, support and share these organizations with those you care about. Enjoy the show.

The amount of anger and violence in our world today. It's simply unacceptable. My heart goes out to all the families who have lost so much for seemingly no reason at all. So my message today, in light of what's going on, is simply to remember to hug and kiss your kids, your loved ones. Every day. Don't let a day go by where you don't say the I love yous, the thank yous. Let's let the change begin with us. Let's let love flow.

Welcome Dr. Joe Wasco. You are one of the top tier of physicians. I mean, I remember in medical school orthopedic surgeons like yeah, I was just a pediatrician. And you know, the just the pediatricians we only come in handy if you have kids. But what's very interesting, and I'm eager to hear your story is you are actually vaccine injured by the Maderna shot. And you're willing to talk about it. And that's really, really important because so often people are afraid to talk about anything that has to do with vaccine injury as if it's taboo. And you also will get towards the end, have you tell us more about React 19 You're one of the two co chairmen of a very important organization to support people who are vaccine injured. So anyway, a little bit about your past. Just share with the audience, sort of how you became an orthopedic surgeon what you were doing as as an orthopedic surgeon, and then we'll get into your story with what what happened with the COVID vaccine.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  3:24  
Sure. I mean, I was born in Chicago, a couple years old, for a job reason my family moved from the Chicagoland area when I was only two up into the Wisconsin area. And really ever since then, except for a year of my training. I lived here in southeastern Wisconsin, and I love Wisconsin, went to Marquette University. I graduated from there, geez 1992. I married my college sweetheart a month after graduation.

Beatrice Birch  3:53  
We have four kids. I went to med school.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  3:57  
And I'm going backwards a little bit. I went to med school and Madison did my residency here back in Milwaukee. And then did a little extra year of specialty training. In Cleveland, where I specialize just enjoying replacement was in private practice for about nine or 10 years. good group of people, very developed a very successful practice. My prior partners really helped me do that. I always tell the story. I Fellowship ended. And on a Tuesday, I basically moved on Wednesday back from Cleveland on Thursday came back to a clinic of 30 people. So I was set up to me very busy practice.

Beatrice Birch  4:39  
But again, I really

Dr. Joel Wallskog  4:43  
developed a mature practice over 20 years. I mean, I love my job at joint replacement. It's very gratifying. And I just say I'm just an orthopedist. You know, I'm I'm a carpenter. And but I love it and I specialize in you know, radio, hip and knee replacements and I really enjoy that The carpentry aspect of not just following the guide, but having to really be a little bit improvised and make things work and do fourth and fifth hip and knee replacements but

Dr. Paul  5:15  
wow, I was reading that you do resurfacing which I that's not my world. I didn't even know that happened. But you're you're a very, very much a skilled carpenter.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  5:24  
Yeah, I really enjoyed and honestly, I love taking care of people. You know, I always tell the story. And I'll tell you a little bit when I first started, why was actually going sick.

So, you

know, and again, but I believe all of us in healthcare, there's a little bit of mental health and psychiatry to everything we do, you know, and how to motivate people and how to get them to do what we think they should be doing. So I really take that took that with me and my practice, but I developed a very mature practice. It was it was great. Yeah, no,

Dr. Paul  5:57  
I have a friend who had a hip replacement, and it changed her life. She was living in pain, so much pain that she had high blood pressure, had that surgery, and boom, she's walking. She's gardening, the blood pressures gone. Yeah, you guys do great work. Now, we pivot to something happened to your career. I imagined for you very unexpected.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  6:18  
Yeah. So my story starts in probably about September of 2020. Everyone in my clinic, and I talked about it a fairly fair amount of people in my clinic that worked with me, everybody started going out with COVID. And they got sick, and we're gone for whatever it was the two weeks, I just kept working. And I thought it was kind of odd that literally every person I'm referring to like the two amazing nurses that was out or had gone out at one kind of one time, I never really got set. So I just kept working kept doing. And about three weeks later, I was like, Okay, this is just too bizarre. And I had been antibiotic tested as part of a baseline screening for the employer I work with in June, and I was negative, but I decided to go get antibody testing at

Beatrice Birch  7:10  
the end of September. Well, I wasn't

Dr. Joel Wallskog  7:11  
positive. So I would say I got exposed and I really was asymptomatic.

Dr. Paul  7:16  
And you must just have a great natural immune system. Well, at least you did. Yeah. So

Dr. Joel Wallskog  7:21  
at that point, you know,

Beatrice Birch  7:24  
what I tell people is, I was kind of on the hamster wheel,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  7:27  
and the hamster wheel of practice and the hamster wheel of life. And I truly trusted our health care system. That was part of the system. I was proud of the system. And I really didn't have to put too much thought into it. You know, maybe I had a little senator. Well, I just had COVID Do I really need to get it but I looked up, you know, in the CDC or whatever website and says you got to wait 90 days to get shot. So I said, Okay, I'll think about and then in November, December, a very good friend of mine, who was pretty healthy, got COVID. No early treatment, really, in retrospect, got all the wrong treatment, got intubated, early gun, got a trade, I mean, literally, could have went on at most several times. But he was too unstable and was at a hospital that didn't have you know, ECMO?

That kind of

shook me a little bit. Yeah, any any reservations that I had about getting the shot and there weren't many because again, I was on the hamster wheel, part of healthcare system, doing my job, you know, told to get the shot. Okay, so I'm part of the winning group. And then end of December, I got to call my number of self as part of that when a group in health care and I went, got a shot. I went in and said my name said my, my birthday, sign, nothing, read nothing. No discussion. I literally the time, the time I got there. And by the time I had the shot, my arm was less than 20 seconds. Wow. It was it was there was again, people say oh, you sign a consent form. No, I didn't.

Beatrice Birch  8:59  
I didn't read any. I just said my name and date of birth. That that's

Dr. Paul  9:03  
the extent of the informed consent that's happening around the country.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  9:06  
Yep, that was it. So they said Go sit over there. Wait 20 minutes, and then you can leave. I'm just saying I understood that from anaphylactic standpoint. And I left it was a week later, I woke up from sleep and I call my wife my feet are not. And it was pretty significant. I mean, when I say now, you know paraesthesia, so numbness and tingling, and it was pretty pronounced and I got up and as I was walking more, the numbers would just propagate higher and higher up my legs. It was certainly alarming and I, you know, I have a bad neck. You know, I have some disc disease and I figured, okay, maybe I have a central herniated disc that's impinging on my core to call a friend of mine who's a spine surgeon.

Beatrice Birch  9:48  
I said, Hey, Derek, you

Dr. Joel Wallskog  9:50  
know, I might have a central, you know, central disk. I gotta get an MRI, right. So I did. He ordered it. A couple days later, I saw it mean or am I started having, you know, whatever meet scientists, right and the the most positive or meet sign ever, whereas if I haven't looked down, I would get electrical sensations down my spine and to my goats. And I don't mean like touching a nine volt battery I'm like touching the out a little bit more alarmed and because their meats classically you know when you look down to get that shocking sensation typically is described as cervical disease so it was just weird. And he basically said I don't know, let's see what happens. So that was like a Thursday or Friday and move forward I can't remember was whether it was five days or a week but I'm sitting in clinic talking to a patient. I tried to stand it literally my legs just wouldn't go. Wow. So I pushed myself up like this point I knew, Okay, this is something bad. And never did I even I wasn't thinking about the vaccine whatsoever. I was thinking about I got a brain tumor. I got you know, something bad. And at that point, no pain. So I called my wife I left clinic. I could barely walk and it was just like walking back on new legs. And my kids now coming noodles. But we have a dark sense of humor. But anyway, so to make a long story short, that whole workup, MRIs of everyday Spinal Tap tons of blood tests, I got a diagnosis of transverse myelitis. So I have a D myelinated lesion at the TI 89 Love.

Dr. Paul  11:31  
And they were able to see that an MRI. Yep, yeah.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  11:34  
Yep. So at that point, you know, I was having the numbness, the tingling, the weakness, I had a lot of balance problems that fall a lot. And it was kind of I kind of looked like I was drunk. Went to the neurologist, you know, he said, you know, you got to go on these high dose steroids. So when I'm high dose steroids for two weeks, I mean, high dose I started 800 milligrams of prednisone orally. Oh, wow. It was high dose. I've never heard of that.

Dr. Paul  11:57  
I've never heard of it that I did nothing.

Beatrice Birch  11:59  
It didn't get better. When IVIG

Dr. Joel Wallskog  12:04  
for several courses didn't nothing. slowly over time, some of my parents teachers have decreased certainly that were means things gone. Otherwise, I wouldn't be doing this. Yeah, the weakness, the balance problems, the fatigue, all that really never got better.

Dr. Paul  12:21  
Every years here still weak. And as your kids call it, what noodley or whatever. They call me noodles, or noodle handles. Yeah, you still have a hard time walking.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  12:30  
Yeah, I mean, I got two to four hours on my legs a day. And then after that, I kind of got us it. And I can do stuff. And it depends on how much I want to do. But if I do too much in a given day, that means the next day, I'm pretty much on the couch. And Id accordingly. I usually do my activities or lunch shopping in the morning. And then the afternoon, I'm usually on the computer, you know, working through our React organization. So I was very fortunate early on and not to have pain. But then in the summer, pain started to bus was 21. And it was horrible. So I was having a horrible neurogenic pain. That slowly honestly has gotten better to some degree. But if I do certain things, or if I sit in a car for over 2030 minutes, I started getting this buzzing and burning in my pelvis and in my thighs. Wow, that kind of calmed down. But then this situation gets even more bizarre and but in the last four months, I have new symptoms, which is bizarre. So my sense of taste has changed. Believe me, I've got COVID tested a bazillion times, and I've always wanted to get it. So like if I taste like meat, it tastes like rotten. And chronically nauseated. I can't sleep. So I wake up every hour. So literally, I'm now more fatigued than ever. So in the last four to six months, I have these all other non no kind of systemic symptoms that I can't really explain.

Wow.

Dr. Paul  13:56  
So Doctor, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. This is just a coincidence.

Beatrice Birch  14:02  
Yeah. weird coincidence?

Dr. Paul  14:04  
What do you say to that?

Beatrice Birch  14:06  
Well, first of all,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  14:09  
I can't ever say because people always say, Oh, are you sure the vaccine cause it could have been the Gulf? Sure. When is the burden of proof in history ever been such that all of us that are injured and most of the symptoms start within two weeks? And if you look, we did a study of our React patients of 500. The vast majority occur in the first two weeks. Yeah, we have all of these similar syndromes. Okay. When was the burden proof is science or or even history such that we had to causally prove the burden of proof was so high that we had to prove it? Again, I think the data in time will show and if you look at the Pfizer FOIA releases the data is pretty alarming even what they're releasing and they look at various Yeah,

Dr. Paul  14:56  
I mean, open bears look at there's it's just what you're talking about here. Then with deaths, most of them happen on day zero the day people got the shot, then the next most frequent is day one. And then day two and day three, you see it just massive right after the shot. It's clearly

Dr. Joel Wallskog  15:14  
cool. Say that's, that's what I call self censorship. That's just basically saying, shut up, and I don't really want to hear it and my eyes aren't open and my ears are not uncovered. Me again, I do a lot of talks, you know, whether it be podcasts, internet radio shows, I do a lot of live events.

Beatrice Birch  15:32  
And, you know, we always talk to people that

Dr. Joel Wallskog  15:36  
are basically like minded, but I'm okay talking to the people that want to want to challenge me, but I'm gonna go to the data in my data shows that we're over 2 million adverse events and bears. Yep. And anyone that is reasonable will tell you that various reporting is grossly reporting to versus grossly under reporting. And let's put that to the flu vaccine. In the last 25 years, there was only 197 197,000 adverse events reported errors from flu vaccines in the last 25 years. Yep. I mean, there's something going on. It's just

Dr. Paul  16:17  
yeah, the signal is so incredibly strong, that it makes absolute no scientific sense that we're continuing this program. This should have been abandoned within a few months.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  16:28  
Yeah. And now we're moving into cancer. We're injuring kids. You know, I just, I was talking to two mothers yesterday, one of them has an eight year old that has CIDP and is basically almost quadriplegic at this point, after Pfizer shot. Yeah, one of them is a 16 year old, it's in a wheelchair. Again, a lot of a lot of us are told originally, you know that. People don't want to believe us. I can't convince them. But I certainly like to talk science and like to talk numbers. Yeah. In I'd like to kind of go back at him and say, well, let's follow the science. But let's talk about the science. But when the pharma companies own the data

is read.

Dr. Paul  17:09  
Yeah. And they they censor the data that shows anything negative?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  17:16  
You're correct. There's various views is a bad system, because it's just a symptom repository. And they like to say, well, it's just symptoms. When they go objectified research, these cases called his remember, when COVID started, the federal government hired all those people to do contact troops. Why don't you get those people those same people and follow up in theirs and get very accurate and objective? is they don't want an object. They want it the system repository that they can say doesn't really mean that much.

Dr. Paul  17:51  
Yeah. So you've started an amazing organization, react. nineteen.org is the website. I was just poking around on that a little bit earlier today. What a lot of great information. Tell tell our audience about that organization, and what's there for them and your call to action.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  18:16  
Well, so reactive team, really, is the brainchild of brand dress. And brand was going to be here today. But unfortunately, your brother in law passed away and the services are today. So if you're interested, was previously a preschool teacher, she was part of the AstraZeneca trial. So late in 2020, she got one shot. And after couldn't walk lost her controller bowel or bladder had a horrible neurological reaction.

Beatrice Birch  18:45  
So as part

Dr. Joel Wallskog  18:47  
of the AstraZeneca trial, she was removed from the trial. So if you look at the trial data from AstraZeneca, here in the United States that was never approved, she is exists. Wow. That's how they took care of her. They just removed her from the dead, or removed her from the study. So anyway, so move forward. Brianna has been very vocal early on, and I would say earlier in 2021. Network with Ron Johnson. Ron does not Senator Johnson does not speak for us, but he's been courageous enough to give us a platform. So I'm indebted to him for that. Brianne contacted the NIH, NIH herself and demanded to be heard and she actually got evaluated by NIH doctors. But that then kind of shut down after a while, and then they stopped responding. But anyway, we ended up having an event in November, hosted by Ron Johnson at the Senate was November 2, and we had several injured people. But we also had several scientists to try to talk about the vaccine injuries and kind of the idea was to present the head and the heart rate of the science but also people that are affected, right, but that core group of people got really close and I'd never met him. I just showed up. I just showed up because someone contacted me and then Ron Johnson's office probably said, Hey, do you want to come out and talk to suture? We got a super close. And

Beatrice Birch  20:10  
if I mean having, like other people I mean, it was

Dr. Joel Wallskog  20:16  
I was very helpful when we put it that way. It was touching me because you just

Beatrice Birch  20:21  
feel like you're banned. You know, to have somebody like, you know, so that

Dr. Joel Wallskog  20:28  
when you know, you're not alone, I can't tell you from a vaccine. It's just it was life changing? Yeah. Then we kind of said, Let's form this organization. We kind of had a website that branded started. But you know, we had to do a startup company. So we, I filed for a corporation here in Wisconsin, I got surance, we formed bylaws, we filed for a 501 C three status, which we got we open bank accounts with, like a true startup company. And it was overwhelming because literally patients were just, we couldn't keep up with the emails. Because there were so many injuries, it was overwhelming me, we were like 2000 for a while over 2000 emails behind. So now, now we represent over 414 1000 vaccine injured people. And Paul, these are these aren't people like that just got a rash, or got a sore shoulder. These are people that have been somewhat disturbed, usually have been disabled by it. We have a lot of parents who have kids that died and family members, you know, people have unfortunately died. So we do a lot of events. You know, and that's where we raise our money. But really our goal is, our overall goal is is we're a group of vaccine injured people here just to serve the vaccine injured and to give them support and advocacy. Our mission statement is really threefold. First, we want to help them physically.

Beatrice Birch  21:49  
How do we do that?

Dr. Joel Wallskog  21:51  
We need vaccine injured friendly providers. I know it sounds bizarre, but that's what we need. We evolved in gaslit. My neurologist and I quote him when I talked to him about this thing related to the vaccine, I called him and said, Joel, I do not want to get involved in coal mining, like how can you not get involved? But anyway, so physically, we're trying to set up physician or provider a provider networks, I am really dead set in trying to also create a mental health network. Because these people from a mental health status standpoint have been truly devastated. They have they've been beyond betting their sensor, they're told they just don't exist. It's crazy.

Dr. Paul  22:32  
Yeah. On that note, how have you been received by your peers? The are big Orthopedic Group.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  22:39  
Um,

my business partners were really ever my friends, my old group that I used to be in, I mean, they kind of contacted me, they're very sympathetic, but the people I work with now, so work for a big corporation, right? Disappeared. Yeah, for the most part, you know, I?

Dr. Paul  23:00  
Nothing. Sorry. It's just typical. I didn't know what you were gonna say. But I suspected it because that's been my experience with my peers. Because I became aware of vaccine risk and was willing to talk about it, I became undesirable.

Beatrice Birch  23:17  
Yeah, well,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  23:19  
I can tell you more about that story, too, because I just got terminated from my employer the other day. So I'm in a private, I'm on a board a board of a company, I have significant investment in some of the board of directors. So this was Tuesday, I'm on the board of directors for this company. I'm sorry, we're kind of going off topic. But this is important stuff. You guys on the board of directors about healthcare IT company. One that I would say I was one of the early founders. I wasn't the founder. But I have a significant amount of money in this invested in this. And it's a given amount of time. We originally developed as an orthopedic company, but we've kind of transitioned into a cardiac company.

Beatrice Birch  24:02  
So it's a

Dr. Joel Wallskog  24:05  
it's a company that basically data mines echocardiograms to pick up people that need heart valves, and that aren't missed, or unbeknown. So just Tuesday night, as I'm becoming pretty vocal and all of this nationally, I was asked to leave the board. Wow. And then the next day, I get a letter from my employer, my termination notes, and I basically worked for them for 17 years. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  24:31  
Folks, if you're listening to this, this is just another example of the horrendous injustice that's going on. I mean, here you are, Joe, you were an athlete. You were very active person prior to this injury. And now walking is difficult. Working is impossible. You've you've you've given everything for doing what following the rules doing what you We're supposed to do to help humanity and society and getting your shot as directed, believing that that was the right thing to do. But then as soon as you're injured, everything else just changes now you're undesirable. Yeah.

Beatrice Birch  25:15  
It's, it's amazing.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  25:17  
But I'm getting back to, you know, our other missions, we talked about, you know, physically helping these people trying to develop these mental health provider networks and the, the just provider networks, we're also doing our own research, I'm tired of waiting and expecting the government to, to study us. So we're doing ourselves. So we're partnering with courageous researchers, many of whom had to kind of work behind the scenes, but who are helping us we're gonna do our research. Why? Because no one else is going to do it. Now.

Dr. Paul  25:48  
That's exciting, because we need more data. I mean, there's already enough, but we need more, because they just keep churning out the tobacco science, right? I mean, they, they just design a study to show what they want it to show. And then they write about it, how they want to write about it. And it's not real science.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  26:04  
Right. And then, from a financial perspective, which is our second kind of mission, is we're trying to help the most desperate for with uncovered medical expenses. So we developed something called the Care Fund. And people can go online and react nineteen.org. And they can apply. As long as we have funds, we'll keep it up there in basically, this is for people truly that are the most desperate. And I can tell you story after story. I see all the I review all the applications, they're heartbreaking. Uh, you know, I can't tell you how many people I mean, you see their assets, okay. And you know, that one I'll use from the other day. Retirement zero savings, zero checking through and $17. So we get grants up to $10,000. And this is money that we raised through our website, and I'll get to that in a second. It's money that we raised from events, as you can probably understand, we have absolutely zero corporate sponsorship. Why? Because no one wants to give us $1 That from a corporation. Yeah. So we have raised probably about $700,000. It's a lot of work. It's labor intensive, because it's, you know, we don't get the big corporate

sponsors. But

I the Care Fund, we've probably given out at least 160 $170,000. So far, we're gonna keep doing it. We review probably four to six applications a week. My wife doesn't cheat process, and she's an ex wife, she's a nurse. So that's what I do a lot during the day. So that's the financial aspect. And then the other thing is just the other mission is to emotionally support them. We're really working to try to create safe,

Beatrice Birch  27:53  
uncensored support groups for these people.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  27:58  
You know, Facebook, you know, the stories and we just get taken down. So we will use alternative methods. Okay. And in trying to get these people into support groups and advocacy groups that are safe and uncensored, I would encourage anyone listening to please take a look at our website. It's WWE dot react. nineteen.org. Again, we are a truly not we're a nonprofit, grassroots, non political organization. Okay. We're not political. I mean, I can tell you historically, I'm, I'm from the red side, I could tell you brand dressing totally from the blue side. Doesn't matter. Okay. Yeah. We are moms, dads, Republicans, Libertarians, a political Democrats that doesn't, our organization doesn't matter. But if people can take a look at our website, there's a donate page. The other way they can donate is simply text, the word react or the AC T, to text it to 50155 on their phone, and they'll get a link to a donate

Beatrice Birch  28:59  
page. So antastic we need

Dr. Joel Wallskog  29:03  
to help in the only way that we can get we can keep this care funding going. Is through more donations. Yeah, appreciate everyone's generosity.

Yeah, folks.

Dr. Paul  29:17  
It takes courage to go against the narrative to to stand up to the injustice that you know, folks like usual who've had this incredible hit to your life, your career, everything. I mean, you you're at the peak of your career, as you said, I mean, I can't even imagine how amazing you are doing. Not only just good to humanity and helping people but your own life was like just rolling and then bam, your your screeching halt.

Beatrice Birch  29:45  
But But I'll tell you I mean I I'm a better person now.

Dr. Paul  29:54  
I don't doubt a joy. I can't wait to meet you and hug you. Because that's what happens right? Me Your tragedy hits and it wakes up our soul.

Beatrice Birch  30:03  
I'll tell you I mean, I'm you know, I was on the hamster

Dr. Joel Wallskog  30:07  
wheel trusting healthcare, I just think I'm a better person. My eyes are open my ears on like, I can hear better, I can see better. I really think and I truly tell people. Now I walk around and think that at least 95% of our society is in a trance. They just they, they believe everything they hear, Oh, propaganda just happens in Russia. Oh, my God, I you know, my eyes are just open. I just feel I'm a better person. I'm, you know, what I do now is not for me. And I always tell people, I don't want anyone's sympathy.

Beatrice Birch  30:43  
I don't I just want these people that you know, to help.

Dr. Paul  30:50  
Yeah. It's so sad and tragic. So many people are, we're already struggling. And then the tragedy of vaccine injury hits, and this one's been a rough one. I mean, so many deaths, so many major health problems. God bless you, thank you so much for coming on the show. And let's, let's touch base and get you back on once you have some research to share, because I have a wealth of information. And I can tell with the organization that you've created here with React 19. So folks, check this website out, donate if you can, and we want to support you. Thank you so much, Joe.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  31:32  
Thank you, Paul. Appreciate it.

Dr. Paul  31:33  
If you have any closing remarks you'd like to make, you've got the platform.

Beatrice Birch  31:37  
I would encourage people to,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  31:40  
to be be ready to you know, be ready that it's okay to challenge people. We don't have to live under the constraints of what I call is the vocal minority, the silent majority of people that are reasonable and empathetic and good people and will listen to science. They're out there. We just got to stand up. This is a huge clusion and incubating huge and I used to never be a conspiracy theorist. Remember, I'm very traditional orthopedist, adequate to work for kids. I'm married, I'm very much straight laced, you know, middle aged guy. But I'll tell you, I'm now a conspiracy theorists. Why?

Beatrice Birch  32:21  
Because this is one.

Dr. Paul  32:23  
It's not well, and it's not a theory. That's the thing. When you call it a theory, that's that name calling. There is a massive program to roll out gene therapy to reduce the population of the world. I mean, you just go read about it. It's it's real. It's not a theory.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  32:42  
And I you know, I was thinking, you know, the number one thing behind most evil things are money is money. And number two is power. If you follow the whole, you know, emergency authorization, there can't be any available generic drugs that how they poopoo, you know, the hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, and you know, how they got it approved, you know, in 108 days for Pfizer versus the typical five or 10 years, all of the conflicts of financial interests that a lot of the advisors have, and people that are on, you know, the advisory boards for the CDC, NIH and FDA, and they have financial interest in the pharma companies. It is a wild and crazy thing. Yeah. So I really do hope someday there's going to be federal racketeering charges, basically repo losses, and there's a lot of ongoing discussion about that nationally. And I hope that moves forward. Because while that they're all held harmless from injuring us at the same point, apparently, I've been told that they mean that be immune from corruption charges.

Dr. Paul  33:51  
Yeah, I mean, let's help the legal minds that that know what's going on can can bring justice and stop this nonsense. We absolutely need to help the entire program and bring those who have caused it to be to justice. Yeah,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  34:07  
I always say I won't stop until several and I won't name all the people, but I guess you can tell who I would say is when they're in prison, Orange. I'm retiring from this organization.

Beatrice Birch  34:17  
Until then, not until

Dr. Paul  34:19  
that we're gonna fight to the end.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  34:21  
I am in it. 110% I had no idea this would be my passion, but it is now.

Dr. Paul  34:30  
Well, God bless you. Thank you, Joe, for taking up this journey. And charge ahead, man, you're doing great work, folks. Thank you for your attention.

Welcome Beatrice Burks. You are the founder and executive director of grace Brook Farms and this program called inner fire that I just can't wait to learn more about.

Beatrice Birch  34:59  
It's well it's Every day is different. And it's the Curia be remarkable people from all over the world poll, and it's a pleasure to be connected to you now.

Dr. Paul  35:09  
Oh, thank you so much. Thank you so much. I was reading about inner fire. I think on your website, perhaps. And I love I just love what I read and nonprofit proactive healing community in Southern Vermont, I went to Dartmouth Medical School. So I feel like Vermont was my backyard. You offer striving individuals the choice to recover from debilitating and traumatic life experiences, which typically lead to mental soul health and addiction challenges, while strengthening themselves on a deeper soul spiritual level, I just love that. And you you have a story, I think, to share about how you got to where you are, because I think there was some tragedy with suicide for folks who are just maybe disconnected from their heart and soul. I'd love to hear your story about you know, your past and how you got to create this amazing program.

Beatrice Birch  36:00  
Thank you, Paul. And I'm glad to be able to share what's so interesting is that really perhaps, you know, 13 years ago, I had no idea they doing this. I mean, I've always worked in this healing profession as a whole, the human being as having a body, soul, and spirit have all has always spoken very deeply and very, you know, truthfully, to me, really, and I was working in, in a rehab. And I've worked in Europe for 25 years where we never medicated anybody. And but used proactive therapies that you had to actually be engaged in, physically practically, to support yourself in the healing journey. And it turns out this rehab in that I was in I wonder was approached by a number of individuals who individually came to see me the artistic therapy space, and looked me straight in the eyes. And they said, I hate being medicated. Is that their choice? I knew there was a choice, Paul, from my years of experience in Europe. And, and I told them what I could and then eventually, they ended up leaving this place. And I heard within two years, six of these remarkably creative, sensitive, thoughtful, chose suicide. Wow. And I really, I really thought, you know, I'm out of this, like, this is like too real? No way. Yes. No, wrong. And but then I realized, no, honey, innocence is bliss, you're not innocent. They came to you. Then it was like a, I really began to see their suicide as a sacrifice. And as a wake up call, and they go somewhere new, I would do something with this. And so I realized, I've got to find colleagues, and we have to simply offer a choice. We're not telling anyone to come off their meds. But the medications typically as to any of these substances, where there's alcohol, or crack, or heroin or marijuana, even, they disconnect us from our ability to think clearly, to feel heartfelt feelings and to be able to do and those those poll are our sole forces. And when we can't think feel or do, then we don't feel a human being. And that's when we think of well, what's the point of being around? Yeah. And when the doctor says to me, I have to be on these meds for the rest of my life is like, well, thank you, what kind of a life am I going to live? And so that's why we started eight years ago, when we're in our age here, we've helped over 50 people reclaim their lives. And actually, we're hiring some of these people who when you ask them, if you hadn't come to Inner Fire, where might you be? And they look at me, they say, either they say directly dead. Or they say, I don't want to go here.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  39:10  
Yeah, you know, wow, that I just,

Dr. Paul  39:15  
I have just myself. So you know, I've been as crazy busy doctor too busy, my whole life was doing rather than being. And so just the last couple years, I've really woken up to my soul. And it's such an amazing thing. I mean, we all have a soul. But maybe I'd like to expand a little bit on your view of a human being and how our soul fits into that.

Beatrice Birch  39:40  
Sure. First of all, Paul, I see us all as creators. We are not victims. We all can feel a victim. I have felt a victim in my life. Life isn't easy. But when I say we have a body, a soul and a spirit, I mean I can see your physical body The there, you know, and if we're sitting in the room, I know that it's there, and I'm here in that way, we all have our physical bodies, we need that in order to be here on the earth. But we have a soul, which inhabits this physical body, we get our physical body from our parents, and that's why we look at it like them. But as we know, with anyone who's had children, you know, each of your children can be so different, they are unique. And that's what we refer to as the soul. So within the soul, I would say we have what we call and what in different cultures is known as a physical body, a an etheric body, which has our life body, which our immune system is linked to, and which carries our memories and our habits. And the best thing you can do for a little child is establish rhythm and order. So they have so much they're trying to deal with incarnating. And coming here to this crazy world, at least you decide what they have for breakfast, they don't have to decide. That's what you as a parent can do, you know. But then we also have our astral body. Which is, which really is the heart, the seat of our sympathies and antipathies and adolescents. We've all been through it, it's all about I hate you, I love you, I'm angry, now I'm upset, I'm sad, and we're in this astral realm of feelings. Now, when as you get older, maybe around 21 or something like that, or it depends how many substances you've used over the years. But if we then have a part of ourselves that begins to be born and released, which has, you could call it as A, your higher self, or I call it oftentimes as the charioteer that's guiding the wild horses, you know, that love to race, or, or the witness, you know, people call it by different things. But it's the part of us that can say like, we want to claim what our feelings our claim your feelings. And then because we're a human being, we have the choice to decide what we want to do about them. And I've worked for many years in prisons with remarkable individuals. But they didn't stop. They just reacted. And when they're teased, they just stroke out and the person falls in cracks, they hit open on the curb, you know, and now they're in prison, the rest of their life is like, Stop, think you have these emotions, don't ignore them. But what you want to do with them, I can walk away, I can meet him with empathy, I can pick out my gun I can do you know, we have so many options so differently, who would respond differently? So that's the view of the human being and what we do you know, when people say it in our fire, how do you know someone's ready to go? Or how do you know what their well I mean, we certainly would be on dishonest if we were to say your offspring or your loved one will never have challenges the rest of their life when they leave in a fire. Yeah, we can help them connect with what I call the divine creative self, the party and that's never wounded. Then, when they have a challenge, they will know how to work with this thing had choices.

Dr. Paul  43:28  
I think I just heard something that that just gave me goosebumps, the divine inner self that's never wounded. Is that what you said, but divine creative? So the divine creative stuff, but in then you said, Never, never wanted that, boy, I got goosebumps again. Because that's where you find peace, right? I mean, that's that energy. That's that love. That's that safe place. And when we get into addictions or dysfunctional responses to the stresses in our world, we've lost touch with that, that peace and that energy and that love. Right.

Beatrice Birch  44:04  
Absolutely, Paul. And that's the challenge. That's why it's so distressful with young children using substances, marijuana or whatever alcohol, their, their bodies don't have a chance to find this order, and create this opportunity. And so you can have people in their 50s who are acting like teenagers with their higher self, you know, and there's no criticism. I don't mean it as judgment. But we've all had challenges and we try to work the best we can with these challenges. But yeah, but if we know there is a part of me, that is not wounded by whatever experience I've gone through, and that's the Creator.

Dr. Paul  44:48  
Okay, so I have a feeling maybe you can shed some light on this question. What is healing or in other words for me or anybody that's listening? How do we get It's in touch with that peace, creative divine center that is within us.

Beatrice Birch  45:05  
Yeah, yeah. Well, first of all, take a little step back, Paul, I would be one happy woman, if we could replace the term mental health with soul health. Our soul informs our brain. Your brain is as as wise as one wise practitioner said to me, once the brain is more complicated than the universe, we do not understand the brain. But and the tricky thing about it is when we start thinking about the brain, you know, that's the specialists territory, so we don't dare go there. And we leave it all into the hands of specialists, we all have a soul poll. And there can be a time and I'm getting done answering your question, or there can be a time where let's say I witnessed something at whatever age three year old or 50, year old, whatever, something really awful, and I get stuck in the in breath. And I don't know what to do with this, I don't know how to let go, I don't know how to breathe out, I might fall apart, right? Or the other extreme, is if let's say, if I was sexually abused, I would be as far out of this body of pain as I could get. And if I lose my center call, I can't I'm I'm way up in my head. And when I'm in my head, I can think and do and imagine and hear and see anything if I'm not grounded, you know. And I think another for any teachers who might be watching this. Or parents, you know, they can always have I used to be a teacher for many years also. And you can always have in the classroom, one child who the teacher hopefully in a bit naive, they might put in the front row hoping to help that little person focus. Now chances are that person will know what's going on in the sixth row back without even turning around, because they're not in their body. Or you can have a child in the middle of the classroom, who is so so focused that all how can we let it rip around him. And he or she's totally oblivious, because they are so centered. So those same pictures, you know, but so it's the healing to me and my guy, I've been doing this for what, almost, almost 14 years or something like this, it's all about balance, balancing the soul. And that's why you don't talk we do we do plenty of talking here. But the therapies are mostly artistic, and massage, somatic breathwork, we'd have really only one or two sessions of talking a week. But there's, of course, plenty of talk. And there's peer group work and all this sort of thing. But you want to go beyond the intellect. And you want to go deeper. So let's say if there's somebody I'm working with, who's not in their body at all, let's say is imagining or what would be termed in the schizophrenic realm, even though I don't believe in labels, and we don't all hear well, then I'm going to work with that person with claim and bring them down. Rather than sort of pull up your socks and get your act together, get them into their limbs, and they in their own way, come more and more into their body through their creative process. Now, somebody who, let's say, is very stuck, like the child in the middle of the classroom, or the person in the in breath, you want to give them the beautiful luminosity of the watercolor painting. You see, the colors nourish and feed the soul and they begin to breathe out. But you're working with this living element of water also, you see?

Wow. So yeah,

Dr. Paul  49:07  
I think I'll take up painting.

Beatrice Birch  49:10  
Well, many, many fine leaders in our world have become watercolor painters actually to it's interesting, but then they are that that's an artistic activity. This is still a therapeutic activity, but using the arts for therapy. So there is a difference between an art class and a therapy class. So the end result is not important, as it is different if you're an artist. So some of my greatest challenges in this therapeutic world of artistic therapy have been artists who will say to me, you know, I really should get this because I am an artist and it's like honey Liko process, you know, you know, this not easy.

Wow.

Dr. Paul  49:58  
This is so enlightening. I've been blessed to have too many endorphins. And my neurotransmitters are amazing. So I don't suffer from depression or Well, I have some anxiety, for sure with stress. But I became aware this last couple years with a whole bunch of personal things coming on me along with stress and etc, that I, I wasn't in touch with my soul. And so I had a soul health issue, for sure. I mean, I was just shut down. Yeah, of course. And so if this, you know, if we get inner fires all over the country all over the world, there's the need, Oh, my Lord.

Beatrice Birch  50:38  
Well, you know, Paul, I got an email years ago, from someone else in South Africa, saying, even knowing it or fired just brings us hope. And we've had people from, from India, from Romania, from different parts of Europe, also. And it's like, Are you kidding? I mean, really, Paul, what we're doing doing, it's not rocket science. It's not some magic potent magic pill. It's just being human. And we believe in the healing journey of everybody. When you feel safe. I mean, I remember one young man was almost kidnapped by his mother from the hospital and brought to us. And I remember looking up at us after a day or so just with such disbelief saying, but you all are so compassionate. And the way he said it made me think, honey, where have you been?

Dr. Paul  51:28  
In systems and sometimes families where that's not a part of it, there's no compassion, people are robotically going through what they've been trained to do, or families are or are such. So dysfunctional, I think on that soul level that that loves spirit level that they lose touch.

Beatrice Birch  51:49  
Yeah. And actually love this nothing sentimental about love. It's a force. And we need to balance it, we need to see what is good pole in this world, it's too easy to see what's not good to see what is good. And that's so so important. And connect with it, I want the world to remember that we are spiritual beings having an earthly experience, okay? We are not genes, hereditary forces, and we need to meet each other and treat each other as creators. And whatever the substances are, maybe they help for a, you know, an emergency situation, but they are disconnecting the soul, from the physical body and from the spirit. And that gets very serious, that's very serious. And so to practice, really listening to each other and know that there are horrendous side effects and withdrawal symptoms, to these medications, and that listen to your loved one when they're saying, you know, with this, and that in small print is oftentimes suicidal ideation, danger to myself and others. We have to give the pharmaceuticals the credit they deserve. You know, and not blame it. Your child your loved one is not sick. They're so needs balancing beauty, they need peace and power poem. I could go on. But it's it's true. But we mustn't give up on each other. We mustn't give up on each other, you know? Well, I also want to say I know a little bit of what you've been going through. And I really admire and appreciate and we have to work together.

Dr. Joel Wallskog  53:36  
You have to work resolutely up, because you're making

Beatrice Birch  53:39  
a difference in people's lives. For sure. I know that. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  53:44  
Thank you. And as are you, we will talk again.

Beatrice Birch  53:47  
Great. Okay. Thank you, Paul. God bless.

Dr. Paul  53:55  
You welcome Bernadette, Public Policy Director of informed choice Washington and the host of informed life radio and so much more. Today, you're going to veer away from our normal and you are going to share a little bit about the importance of supporting our favorite organizations. If you love to shop, folks, you might like this little twist.

Bernadette Pajer  54:14  
Yes, yeah. So here we go. We're gonna go right to the F LCCC. Alliance store. And really, this is still being the news, Dr. Paul, because first of all, the news is coming. The good news is coming from organizations like FLCC. They're going and testifying before Congress. They're doing those grow round tables, they're going to every state in the Union where they're invited to educate legislators, how do you support them, you donate, you buy their merchandise, you wear their merchandise, so people learn. We have everywhere you go, people can see where their shirts, their hats, get their bling, all their kind of stuff. It's pretty cool. Same thing for children's health defense, where we are now being broadcast, all kinds of things is that you can wear. So everywhere you go, you can spread the good news, you can promote them. And of course, you're supporting them with your purchase. If you're not finding the sort of item that you like, like, if you want a car magnet, they don't tend to have them on there. One of my favorite places is Vistaprint, you might have a favorite place where you like to go create things. I encourage people make business cards, you can get a box of 500 or 1000. Business cards really cheap. design them yourself, get permission, if you're going to use somebody's logo, and does an artwork get permission from that place first. But if you don't do that, just go ahead and you can put their their website address on it and then design your own imagery and stuff. But everywhere you go, be like Johnny Appleseed drop these business cards, they fit everywhere. And if you get a conversation with someone, you've got a business card, but I've made car magnets, my car's always got several on them promoting children's health defense, the high wire, we got to get some stuff for you, Dr. Paul for against the wind would be pretty cool. And then another website I love is Canva. There's a free version as well as a paid canva.com. It's a great place to design all kinds of things so that you can be the marketing department for your favorite organizations. Okay. And then finally, I want to talk to individuals. This is image here we've got time square. So focus for health, donated in order to get on one day, some amazing ads placed on the billboards right in the heart of New York City Time Square, fantastic. But of course not everybody saw those and not everybody's going to Times Square in New York City. So what I want to encourage people who have if you've got a big building with a lot of traffic going by and you've got a big wall, if you've got property that's long side, a high traffic, road or highway, if you've got a barn with a big broadside, if you've got an empty sort of trailer sitting there. Artwork can be had in a lot of these organizations like children's health defense, they'll help you with the design. If you've got a place where you can put something up. Let's do it. Let's get the information out there. Because Can you imagine Dr. Paul, if everybody knew about children's health defense, and the FLCC, and there's so many others, those are the two I'd like to highlight because if you had all the information those two combined,

Dr. Joel Wallskog  57:37  
provide,

Bernadette Pajer  57:41  
you're going to be an informed citizen. Right? preamble?

Dr. Paul  57:45  
Yeah, information is power, knowledge is power. And folks, we are not getting the information that we need to make the right decisions. So it's on us, to us to really make the mainstream news irrelevant, because they are becoming that way. And we just need people to realize it,

Bernadette Pajer  58:04  
need them to realize it with with Shadow banning and censorship and difficulty reaching people. We want people when they're driving down the road to see a interesting window decal, a bumper sticker, a car magnet, you get out of a car, we want them to see your T shirt, your hat, ask those questions. If you don't have time to explain, you just go ahead and hand them a business card so they can go to the website and they can read and learn more. Even when they're driving down the road. You know it's a long stretch of abandoned highway not abandoned highway but kind of empty and there's a barn children's health defense right? I know you're out there, I know you there's people out there who have these properties. And so just contact me contact Dr. Pol reach out to children's health defense, we'll try to hook you up with the right people to help you with the artwork to get permission to put you know, their logo and stuff up there. But but let's do it. Let's tell the United States of America about these great resources so that we can spread the word and expand.

Dr. Paul  59:03  
There you have it folks. Get involved be the news. Thank you, Bernadette.

Bernadette Pajer  59:08  
You're welcome. Thank you Dr. Paul.

Dr. Paul  59:15  
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