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​Dr. Paul  0:04  
Dr. Paul, welcome to with the wind science revealed. Folks, I'm back I have to tell you, I watched the shows that Didi Hoover did in my absence she covered for me while I was caring for my mom and her dying days. I don't even like to call it dying. She was transitioning from this earthly experience to a whole better place. And she did it so beautifully. But so did DD Hoover cover this show in such an important way, as I'm sure you witnessed and experienced, she is going to be a regular part of the show. Because what we've figured out is that while I can kind of delve into the science and kind of dig hard on certain topics, she brings a touch with getting down into a person's personal experience that mom or dad experience, your soul your heart in a way that, frankly, she's just gifted. She has such a wealth of experience in this whole area of wellness coaching and spiritual coaching and guidance in all the areas of health, physical, mental, spiritual, emotional. It's a gift and it's a blessing to this show. But let me tell you about what's on tap for today, if you will. Gail McCray, is a nurse, she's a student, she's a practitioner, and she was working in the trenches during the whole COVID pandemic taking care of COVID patients. And she's exposing a huge disconnect disconnect between the reality of what was being reported in the news about COVID-19. And what was actually going on in the hospitals. We discuss things like remdesivir, the hospital protocols, and the ethics and challenges they were faced with as providers, nurses, doctors, she chose to leave that system she couldn't ethically stand for it any longer, and has now put her efforts 100% into an exciting project called Stand firm now, stand firm now.org is where you can get the information. What they're basically doing is traveling the country getting affidavits of expert witnesses, recording these and they are putting these all together. So for the entire world. When we need the truth. There will be hundreds if not 1000, affidavits that can be used in court to expose the truth and get the real information out. exciting project. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul here, this is my first from the heart. Since I lost one of the most important people in my life. My mom. Let me tell you a little bit about my mom. She, in 90 years of her life, was always doing for others being kind and loving. She was an incredible woman. She was top of her class in high school, top of her class in college. When she came back from Africa where she started a clinic provided health care for 50 mile radius delivered hundreds of babies. She went to Yale University and became a certified nurse midwife. She delivered hundreds of babies at home. Here's an incredible thing. Who gets a perfect LSAT score on their English part of the LSAT. That was my mom. Incredible brilliance. Way more important than that was her heart. She was always there for me and all her kids loving kind, not afraid to ask the tough questions. And I just feel so blessed to have had that kind of a mom, always there for me, even though we might have been separated by 1000s of miles so much of my life. And I want to tell you a little bit about her courage at the end. So about a month before she passed on and left this earthly existence to that next realm. She started having shortness of breath just moving around her apartment. And she was taken to the doctor about three weeks before the end. And she was okay. They did a chest X ray that showed maybe minimal scarring in the lungs which was different but otherwise it could find nothing. Well, just over a week before the end. She was really struggling to breathe and actually expressed that. You know, I think this is the end she she's just felt it her said My body feels like it's shutting down. And we had an experience in the emergency room. 33 hours in the emergency room where they did all the testing CT scan of her chest chest X ray all the bloodwork echo of her heart. The only thing they found was significant scarring in her lungs. The pulmonologist was consulted and they said idiopathic fibrosis of the lungs. In other words, unknown reason that her lungs were just scarring up She had had three COVID jabs. My mom lives in a community where everyone was getting the COVID jabs there. They were in isolation for over a year, I couldn't even visit her. It was a pretty rough time, I believe, for anybody that's elderly to be so isolated. And so you watch the news. And the news just has all that fear. And I mean, she would even say, Paul, how can you be right and everybody else be wrong? You know, she just got stuck in that narrative that was coming across the airwaves. They would ask her in the ER, were you a smoker, every doctor that came in, we know she was not a smoker. Anyway, her dream and desire had always been when the end came. She was going to die at home with her loved ones around her. She would stop eating, stop drinking. That's what she did. And what an honor to watch that bravery. She did it with such humility, kindness, love. I mean, in the end, this was a first time for me realizing that someone doesn't have enough oxygen. They've chosen that they're done. They're transitioning. And to do it without complaint, I mean, only the dryness of the mouth, and we would sponge her mouth, but she really went through it. Incredibly, and with a sense of humor. About three days before the end. My sisters were sitting at her bedside at the time, and she said, I want to taste something. Maybe coffee. So they gave her a little coffee. Oh, she didn't like that. She had liked ginger ale before. little taste of ginger ale. Ah, didn't like that. How about some gelato, a little bit of that. So we found some of that took a couple of bites. And she said, I'll get back on the bandwagon tomorrow. Still a sense of humor to the end. And the blessing I had was, I got to sit there and hold her hand, along with five of my siblings, and a niece and a nephew. When she took her final breath. You know, I know she's okay. Now. She can have fun, she can do whatever she wants, she can hear she was struggling with hearing she can see she was struggling with seeing. And for a lifetime of denying herself any sort of pleasures. She's free. She's free to do whatever happens in that next phase of our existence. That's a real comfort to me. People will say I'm so sad for you. I don't have sadness. Sure, I'm going to miss her. But she went the way she wanted to go. And she's in a beautiful place. You know, we're cleaning up her apartment. And we found a couple things that she had posted on little pieces of paper. One was this, we do not see things as they are, we see things as we are. That was from the Talmud. And then this next one on a yellow piece of paper, that paper was so old had to be decades old, said the following. Who you listen to determines what you hear. Where you stand determines what you see. And what you do determines who you are. And the credits said seen in a classroom at Abington Friends School in Philadelphia. how powerful that is for our world today. We need to pay attention to who we listen to, because that's what we're hearing and where we stand, because that's what we see. And then what we do, because that is really determining who we are. Thank you mom for leaving us those powerful words.

Welcome, Gail McCray. It is such an honor and privilege to have you on our show with the wind.

Gail Macrae  9:11  
Thank you so much. It's great to be here.

Dr. Paul  9:14  
So you're a bachelor, trade nurse, student certified nurse midwife, a women's health nurse practitioner. You've worked in the ICU and tele Med, med surg, labor and delivery for 10 years. And then during COVID, you worked at Kaiser Permanente in the Bay area of California. And you saw firsthand that the media was deceiving the public on all things related to COVID. And, you know, that was what you wrote. And that was my experience. Also, I mean, just watching the news. I'm going this doesn't add up. You chose to leave the hospital setting to advocate for justice. And I'm really eager to learn more about that. You're now working with a small group of visionaries on a project setting precedents with expert witness testimony. And you've worked on an affidavit called COVID commonalities, we'll certainly want to get into that also. And the website for your organization is stand firm now.org. So we'll certainly get into that some more. I love the quote you all have May our children never say, we were cowards in the face of evil. That was Lieutenant Colonel Theresa long, MD. Before we get going, though, could you share with me a little bit about what was it in your life in your background that prepared you to be able to stand up in the face of such adversity?

Gail Macrae  10:35  
Yeah, that's definitely an epicenter question. I think that it's not commonly enough, asked and explored because as I experienced these things, and then dealt with the whiplash of coming forward, it's just become more and more profound, how all of these life choices and life experiences I've had have really prepared me for this moment. So I was homeschooled, I think that's a really important thing to bring forward. And in a sense, the further I get away from COVID, the more I'm able to really recognize how my experiences during high school were a very close reflection to my experiences during COVID. Because I went through that experience of high school feeling very different than my peers, and it was uncomfortable. And I had to adjust to being uncomfortable with being different, because that's just the way it was. And it was a process to adjust to that. And I remember feeling, you know, the pressure of, you know, not having, you know, being in with the crowd and having all my friends around, and, you know, going to classes. And in a sense, that's really what I saw happen in the hospital during COVID, as well. It was really like, a mindset of, well, this is what, you know, this is what we're expecting, this is what we're, this is what we're going to go with. And, you know, if you don't go along, you're going to be one of the outsiders. And fortunately for me, I understood how to be an outsider. You were used to that. Yeah. And it really it really was it was, it was a learned skill. I would say in addition to that, too. I had always been extremely curious. I since I was a small child. And of the many experiences I had in my young adult life. I met married my husband very young, but we didn't have kids, we traveled the world. I ended up living in Africa for a year. And we went on our own, we didn't go with another group or, or any other, you know, support systems. So it was really like him and I in a third world foreign country where we didn't speak the language, trying to organize and coordinate. So I ended up connecting with the with an NGO there who had who was able to get me into a hospital in rural Serengeti district. So I worked at a teaching hospital out there delivering babies for about a year. And it was it was an intense year, to say the least, unfortunately, you know, there were a lot of crazy things associated with that. Pretty much 100% of my maternal population, had had a genital mutilation procedures at the age of 13. It was part of their culture. It was there was a lot of trauma, there was a lot of abuse, the women there were sold for, like 12 cows. So I mean, just to bring forward, there was a lot of things that I had to psycho socially manage, that helped me really learn to understand what to be afraid of and what not to be afraid of. So so it helped when COVID started, for me to really kind of center and look critically and analyze the data and not not feed into the fear that I saw in the media. So those were the two most important things I would say.

Dr. Paul  14:44  
That's profound. I have come to appreciate that those who are homeschooled and are really independent thinkers and critical thinkers and able to challenge anything and everything because others. Contrast that with our public school education and even a lot of the private schools, you're taught to, this is what you should think this is, these are the facts and regurgitate them, and repeat after me sort of. And so we're really turning people's brains off in terms of their ability to question authority to think critically. And you were in homeschooled all through high school. It sounds like

Gail Macrae  15:28  
I went to a private school for first and second grade. And then I was homeschooled from third grade until my sophomore year, I started primarily doing classes at our local junior college. So yeah, that was I transitioned pretty much from homeschool into the community college

Dr. Paul  15:50  
community college environment, there are programs like that, I think they are excellent. For those who can handle it, you obviously had the maturity to handle that. And then of course, I grew up in Africa. And I've always felt and known that having a real experience in another culture just opens up your mind in a way that most Americans just have no clue, right? I mean, you don't know unless you've lived overseas, and been part of another culture and start to realize it's a much bigger world. So wow, I'm all the more eager to hear more about what you have to share. So let's, let's move to the pandemic. And let's go to the spring of 2020. It's just hitting the US. And I think at that point, you're working in the hospital in the Bay Area. Is that right?

Gail Macrae  16:39  
Yeah, so I was working on the telemetry floors, primarily, that was my home unit. I also trade trade units. So I worked for Kaiser Permanente. And during that time, I kind of I basically worked all of the the medical surgical floors in the hospital. But I did spend a lot of my time on telemetry, which is cardiac strokes, heart attacks, things like that.

Dr. Paul  17:08  
And so when COVID hit, did that affect your area as well?

Gail Macrae  17:15  
Yeah, well, it did, but not in the way that the media said it did. So we cancelled all of our elective procedures at the hospital. And so pretty much immediately with the shutdowns the hospital completely emptied out. And we were far below normal census and normal patient admissions in the hospital. And that went on from the whole, for the whole first nine months of COVID, the winter 2020 and 2021, we did have pretty much normal patient admissions, every winter hospitals go through a few ebbs and flows of patients. So I expect that we fill you know, at least once during the winter and end up short staffed for a short period of time. And that is what happened. We by no means had any abnormally increased patient inflow, patient admissions, it was really just, you know, hey, this is what I've dealt with every winter for the last 10 years. So it still really concerned me because I was constantly seeing, I didn't have TV at home, but whenever I go to work, I would see what the media was saying about our community hospitals. And it was like, Oh, my gosh, why are they? Why are they, you know, saying things that aren't actually happening? Why that was really concerning to me. I thought from the start that it was a lot of fear mongering and propaganda to, you know, I don't I don't know, maybe keep people compliant. That was the only thing I could think of at the time. Is

Dr. Paul  19:08  
you referring to the news that the hospitals were overflowing with COVID patients? Yeah,

Gail Macrae  19:14  
yeah, it was all over the news. I remember every time I'd walk into a patient's room, the news would be playing and they would be just talking about how overflowed the hospitals were. And I had also I known people all over the state. I went to school in the East Bay, so I knew nurses that had gone to Sacramento, and then who were all over the Bay Area and a few out of state as well. There were no hospitals, that I had known people who worked at who had complained of excess admissions outside of again, outside of what we expect for a winter, which is you know, a slight increase a few times with, you know, regular patient flow and then a return to baseline.

Dr. Paul  20:01  
Yeah, I had the exact same experience. I was seeing newborns. And of course, people were still having babies. So so that Ward was fairly normal. But I would walk through the rest of the hospital and it was a ghost town. I mean, there was just nothing happening. And outside the ER was this huge tent that was erected for the overflow. They never used it.

Gail Macrae  20:21  
Yeah. Our hospital. Yeah, that was exactly the same with our hospital. And I would also say to that our hospital was a ghost town for the whole summer and fall of 2020. Yeah. So I got, I would I was in graduate school at the time. So I, they the, the staffing department would call and offer cancellation when the when the census was low, I was getting a call basically every shift for the first I would say nine months of the, of the pandemic. So it was definitely way below normal for that first, you know, summer and fall of 2020. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  21:04  
very interesting. So this highly deadly virus that the news was just blasting us 24/7. Hospitals are full, it's killing everybody. And both of us experienced the exact opposite. I'm not saying that it was not deadly for some people. And of course, maybe we can now pivot into what you saw with regards to the treatment for COVID. Because I think that might have been part of why it was so deadly was how it was being managed. What What was your experience with treatment?

Gail Macrae  21:35  
Absolutely, I was very frustrated with treatment. And I would actually say that that was that was probably the main reason why I ended up leaving the healthcare field. We were being required to isolate patients, even people who are not diagnosed with COVID. And in my professional opinion, that is criminally inhumane, and human rights and ethics violations. i My opinion is that if I as a practitioner can come to work and take precautions to protect myself and my family from this infectious disease, the patient's family members ought to have that same, right. Because the support that they add, during times of extraordinary trauma to the well being and and the life of their family members and their loved ones. It far outweighs, in my in my professional opinion, the risks of you know, potentially spreading a viral infection, there was no I don't believe there was ever any justifiable reason to prevent family members from coming into the hospital to support their dying loved ones. And that was that that really sent me into a tailspin having to have those conversations with family members. I think that's a really important thing to really recognize is, you know, what kind of trauma are we causing on ourselves as practitioners and on these patients and their their dying loved ones? With going through loss? And you know, just, it's torture, it's a form of torture. So that was terrible. I also do, I didn't notice the administration of our protocols was was harmful. And we did actually have conversations about it at the nurse's station. We noticed I would say within three weeks to a month of the rollout of the EU a experimental use authorization remdesivir That that medication was not helpful. We were we were it was more than it was more than that we noticed it wasn't helping and that it was potentially causing harm. It was also that that we were noticing that these patients would develop multi organ failure. And the question was, why is it that we're prescribing an antiviral more than three days posts symptom onset, because even as a bachelor's RN, I was trained that we don't administer antivirals, three days post symptom onset, because there's the benefits and the risks don't weigh out. So if you're going to increase risks, especially with an EUA, especially with something whose clinical trials had terrible outcomes, there was no accountability with the administration of that medication. But there were other things too, we weren't. We weren't providing an enough nutrition to patients. This is the first time in my career where I'd really seen them, you know, not follow protocols for I'm giving people food and water in the hospital generally, you know, we would wait, you know, they could be NPO for a day or two, you know, maybe three, and then we'd find a way to make sure they were able to eat. And that was not that was not happening. It was, it was just getting swept beside the rug.

Dr. Paul  25:25  
Yeah, I mean, I have a picture in my mind from all the stories I've heard, and you live to this. So maybe you can verify if this is true, but patients would come in through the ER, some of them very sick, some of them were just happened to test positive, whether it was a false positive or not, they're whisked into the hospital, put on a COVID unit, and kept in isolation. So family weren't, we're not allowed to be with them. And if they were really sick, I think even the hospital staff had fear, right? Because Fear was pervasive at this time. So I'm picturing people who are really truly Ill just being put onto this protocol of remdesivir, which, as you pointed out, had very little value, if any, when started late, and it had a lot of known harm. And then if you don't feed a patient, dehydration plus remdesivir, is a prescription for renal failure. It's almost guaranteed. And maybe I don't know if you can speak to the protocols that were in place that you I guess, as a nurse had to implement.

Gail Macrae  26:31  
Yeah, well, it was really the isolation and the remdesivir. Those were the main protocols that we were that we were really following remdesivir isolation. Not giving people steroids refusing any non. This was a big deal. Any any, any medication that was requested that was not recommended by the CDC was absolutely off the table. And it didn't really matter who said you should get it. If you had a doctor if you it didn't matter. They would not allow, you know, IV vitamin infusions or anything, basically nothing besides from dis severe, lying prone, being on oxygen. And even that the refusal I do, for sure recall the refusal to give patients aerosolized. Like asthma and inflammatory steroid medications exile, which

Dr. Paul  27:40  
would have been a no brainer. Yeah, I know for a fact they weren't allowing ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. And that whole politicized nonsense. The math plus protocol that I think was part of McCullough's protocol came out mid year, that first year. And I remember reading that going, wow, there's something you can do. But people couldn't get it through the hospital system.

Gail Macrae  28:03  
Now, you couldn't get anything through the hospital system. Yeah, it was. And I brought that up to our doctors and administrators. And it was always just like, well, that's just the protocol. There's nothing else we have nothing else. Wow,

Dr. Paul  28:15  
that had to have been frustrating for doctors as well as nurses. I'm guessing. I don't know, you know, when you just have to follow a protocol that what were you seeing the results from that protocol?

Gail Macrae  28:28  
Yeah, that was a really interesting part of this. I could see the results from the protocol. I would bring it up to my colleagues and say, Do you not see that it it appears that our protocols are causing significant harm? And most of the time, it was just like, you know, you're speaking but nobody's there kind of a response people just pay. I think people would just withdraw that, you know, they, they didn't want to talk about what was going on. Because, you know, it was uncomfortable. And they were afraid. That was really I think at the at the epicenter of why I had such a difficult time communicating with people. They were just so afraid that they couldn't have the conversations.

Dr. Paul  29:16  
Yeah. So think back to the timing when the COVID shots were introduced. And did you see any change in what was going on? Relative to the initiation of the shot process, which were also what is it experimental use authorized, right. They were rushed to market implemented. I think you all got first dibs on him, right? The hospital workers. What was that like? And what did you see?

Gail Macrae  29:47  
Yeah, so I was in graduate school, and I had gotten my hands on the clinical trial, research, and being that extremely curious person I am. I read through that research and I noticed that that was about the time when I really noticed that the conclusions of the research did not match the internal body of the data that was being presented. And there was, there was discrepancies that couldn't be explained or dismissed. And that that was that was another kind of big aha moment. For me, the Pfizer clinical data isn't. The conclusion says that this injection is safe and effective, but the control group has lower all cause mortality than the injection group. And so so that was actually one of the main reasons why I personally decided, You know what, I'm not going to take this shot, because this data isn't really lining up. In addition to that I had gotten COVID. In November, I was sick for about 24 hours, I did lose my sense of smell and taste, and it actually caused some serious long term inflammatory damage to my olfactory nerve, I ended up not being able to smell and taste for close to a year, when it finally started returning. It's just never really been the same. But either way, I gotten a blood test in January to confirm that I had natural immunity, which I did. And so I, I right away was like, Okay, I've already been through, you know, nine years of medical education, which, you know, depicts two or 300 years of the fact that vaccines were designed to emulate natural immunity. I don't need this shot, right. And natural immunity has always been more effective than than a vaccine. So I wasn't at all worried. And I just was like, Great, I'm going to work. I'm not going to get this shot, I'm going to see what happens. So the public in my community started getting access to these, these vaccines, I really like to properly refer to them as gene therapy injections, because I've learned that they're not really actually vaccines. This is a new technology, it's a therapeutic, it doesn't matter anyways. So it came to our public at the end of February, and after that normal winter that I had explained where we had had, you know, two peaks in patient admissions, and then, you know, we'd returned to baseline. Starting mid March of 2021, I started getting three calls a day from my staffing department, and I had never heard them so desperate. They were bribing me, they were saying, you know, we will, we will pay you, you know, we will give you extra vacation days, we will give you double time, like it, it was the type of bribery that, you know, sometimes occurs but never to that level.

Dr. Paul  33:10  
This is after the shots are rolled out. Now, all of a sudden, there's a crisis for staffing in the hospital.

Gail Macrae  33:17  
Yep, huge crisis. And at first sight, actually, I didn't really put two and two together. At first, it took several months. So I went ahead and went in, I worked in the hospital. So because I was in school, what I would do, I was a per diem employee, so I could choose my schedule. So I go in and work during my breaks from my graduate program. So I do like 10 weeks in school, and then three weeks in the hospital. And when I was in the hospital, I'd worked doubles. So my first three weeks stent in during the after the rollout of the of the shots was from like, mid March until the first through the first week of April. And I was working a lot because we were short, so short staffed, most of the shifts I worked were doubles during that time. And they were all cardiac and autoimmune patients. I hadn't put two to two, two and two together yet that happened in June. So then I went back to school for those next 10 weeks. And it just went on and on and on staffing just kept calling me three times a day it did not stop and in addition to that, I will add. So during those three months, three weeks in March and April, I was on all the units I would work the telemetry floors, the COVID floors, the med surg floors, the oncology units, all of it. And I know for a fact that our COVID patient load was not high by any means the COVID floor we transitioned one of our med surg floors to a COVID floor. On average, there was between like three and 12 patients on that unit during those three weeks when I was there. So then fast forward to June. When I went back again, during my next break off of, for my graduate school term, I ended up working a double one shift and I was on the telemetry floor for one shift for half the shift and then the COVID floor for the other half. So I got report on a total of about 55 or 60 patients in that 16 hour period. And I was working. The reason I got report on so many is because I was working as a patient care coordinator on both units. So I got report on every patient on the unit. And that report was basically that every single patient there was there for a heart attack, a stroke, a PE, an obscure clotting disorder of which I'd never heard of, let alone seen, and Gilly on Blu Ray, so in my career, I'd been in the hospital setting my whole career. And I'd seen two patients, I believe, with Gilliam Bray over the first nine years in the hospital. And then within that three week period of time, I took care of five patients with Gilliam Bray. So it was pretty extraordinary. And then during that, that shift, in addition to that, my manager approached me and told me directly, he looked into my eyes and he said, Gail, this hospitals had three times higher admissions than we have ever had since the hospital opened their doors. And it started in March. So that was really like the Oh, my gosh,

Dr. Paul  36:43  
I've got a question for you. Do you know the vaccine status of those 50 Plus patients during that two double shifts?

Gail Macrae  36:54  
Yeah, so I have some things to report on that, too. There were multiple hospitals throughout California, where I was talking to practitioners, because one of the things that I did is I started while not me, there were a few community members who, like pulled me in on this support group for staff members who are being coerced, and you know, all of the things that we were seeing differently and not allowed to talk about. And in that group, practitioners were constantly approaching me and saying, Hey, our charts have been sabotaged to only record COVID positive patients who are unvaccinated. I don't know if you know, with the epic charting system for nurses, but they have little drop down menus, where you select you know, this or that for whatever the patient diagnoses, the charts come through differently. And for these COVID charts, they put on there that you could only document that the patient's vaccination status was unknown, or that they were unvaccinated. So we were creating, although so what the staff would do is they would just be like, Yeah, okay, whatever they put unknown for the vaccine patients. And then they go into the notes and write a little note, you know, this patient is fully vaccinated, but it wasn't part of the charting system, which is how, you know, that's how we compiled data, right? We

Dr. Paul  38:26  
use the drop out during the data.

Gail Macrae  38:29  
So I have multiple practitioners who saw that in their charts at multiple different facilities. But yeah, in addition to that, I constantly, especially with those guilty on Blu ray patients, two of them directly told me they actually asked because they were so curious, they said, Hey, I just got this COVID shot. Do you think that this could be what caused this? That was a tough thing to answer, gosh, you know,

Dr. Paul  38:59  
side effects. So sure.

Gail Macrae  39:01  
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of where I went with I said, you know, these are experimental, we don't know, I would suspect that there must be a correlation because of the time period. But because let's see, all five of those patients with Gilliam Baray, had been diagnosed within two weeks of their COVID shots. And then most of them those two in particular, it had been within 24 hours. But in addition to that, there's some other things too, that happened around all that in that same time period, too. I started noticing that we were getting a significant increase in code blues in the hospital. So if someone

Dr. Paul  39:44  
stops breathing, yeah, so they call the code

Gail Macrae  39:47  
blue and patient goes into distress and it says an overhead calm their room number so that emergency staff can rush to that room, and so on. li enough, a majority of those phone calls those those calls for Code Blue, were calls down to the lower level, which I happen to know was where we were administering the COVID shots, there was a little clinic down there. So there was even actually a direct correlation within my hospital to anaphylaxis occurring immediately following the shots. And in addition to that, I had two colleagues who I know went into anaphylaxis after getting one of their shots. So it was really like beginning to pile up by June, it was like, Okay, I'm seeing all this stuff, there's a clear correlation, my managers are bringing it up to me. You know, this, this is harming people. And, you know, the censorship and everything was just so overwhelming, I ended up just feeling like, I just need to get out of this place because I can't participate. This is like I'm, I'm harming, potentially causing death and violating my oath. And that was pretty much when I, you know, left the hospital, I left the hospital until I went back to school for my last trimester or summer quarter. And then after that, I ended up not returning to the hospital, I had my employer process served some legal documents on September 23, because they were trying to mandate me to get the shots. So I was like, great, well, that's not my contract. You can't prove that it's safe and effective. I have state federal and national statutes and laws, saying that you can't mandate an experimental use authorization products. So what grounds do you have? So they put me on leave two days after I had them process served. And then, five days later, they fired me.

Dr. Paul  41:54  
Wow. So how many of your colleagues refuse to get the COVID jab.

Gail Macrae  42:04  
So that, yes, that was a very sad thing to see, I saw many of my colleagues not want to and end up doing it against their better judgment. Many got religious exemptions, and some who got religious exemptions were fired anyways. There were, as far as I know, there were less than 10 of us who were fired for refusing at that Kaiser, Santa Rosa, there were less than 10 of us that were fired, for refusing to even fill out the religious exemption. And, you know, saying I don't, you know, I'm not gonna do any of it. So it was, it was a mixed bag. And it's sad to say, I feel that if if only we could have been more united. You know, this wouldn't, it wouldn't have gone down like this there. You know, Pete, if people would have just united and had a strong front and just said, you know, we're not going to go along. Because there were enough of us, there were probably it was probably 10% of my hospital, I would guess that, you know, just really didn't want to have anything to do with any of the things that they were pushing. But,

Dr. Paul  43:24  
and most of those 10% are no longer working Correct.

Gail Macrae  43:27  
Yeah, so the four of us who I know personally, who left, we are still in contact. So we all did the same, like submission of evidence, and we're still working on that I'm hoping to file my official tort claim lawsuits within the next few months, and really get the ball rolling on it. Because I'd really like to, you know, try and see if we can find a way through the legal system, there's been such a failure, legally with, you know, anything related to COVID. I've been on cases where, you know, of course, we can't prove this, but judges are being, you know, threatened and bribed, and, you know, so they throw cases out or, or they're just, you know, going along, because they believe it, it's one of the three, it's hurrying in all of these situations. And so we've had real trouble getting cases through but I've taken some legal steps to kind of establish my, my position, legally with the courts. And I'm hoping that's going to help with my approach with litigation.

Dr. Paul  44:38  
So what would you say is your main reason for speaking out at this point? I mean, you've had to step up, risk everything career wise.

Gail Macrae  44:48  
That's a great question. And I it's another one of those questions that I think the answer is so important. For me, I've really discovered that coming from Word and in truth, I freed myself from bondage is basically what I've experienced. And the more time goes by I look at a lot of these people that I just, they seem very trapped in all of these lies. And I see like a dimming of their spirit in a sense, because they've, they've given up their ethics and their morals for a paycheck. And I feel for them, you know, I mean, I, that's part a part of this is that my husband is successful, we had investment properties, you know, I could see, I could stand the man and just, you know, walk away without having, you know, risk to my, my ability to pay my bills. So, you know, these, there's this, there's this really sad situation that all of these people are in between a rock and a hard spot. And, you know, what choice? What choice do they have, they've convinced themselves that they don't have a choice other than to go along, I would argue that part of that, too, is a lack of creativity. I've been raised homeschooled, like, I have always had the mentality of like, well, I'm gonna figure it out, I'm gonna do what's right, and then figure it out. And, you know, again, it comes back to that fear is people you know, they're afraid to try and figure it out. You know, they think, and I've seen this happen to a couple of the folks who left with me, you know, they're kind of still feeling like, trapped in like the Oh, my gosh, I've lost my, you know, my reputation and my, and my great job. And I mean, that's, that's a big part of it is like, well, what are you going to do now, like, you know, go make something else of it.

Dr. Paul  47:00  
It's tough, though, I understand it, because I was raising a family of nine kids, when I woke up to what was going on with vaccines. And at that moment, I just how was I going to support this family. I eventually, of course, spoke out and did research and lost my license, basically. But I was at a point where I could survive. And I think for some people, they just don't see how they can survive. So they submit to this horrible agenda. And tell me a little bit about stand firm now, your organization, and then I'm gonna have DD Hoover, talk to you about what it's really like, as a family for you and your kids and all of that, but let's are part of this interview. Let's tell me a little bit about your organization.

Gail Macrae  47:48  
So, um, after doing that, I think, you know, you stand up like that to your employer, and they fire you people kind of know which side you've chosen. And so, um, I got approached by a friend of mine, Lynette Madsen, and she said, Well, hey, I have a doctor over here who has created an incredible document and we're about to launch an effort to try to undo the legal sabotaging that's occurring. So, I got introduced to Dr. Christiane Northrup, and wherever she is, she is really a powerhouse. And I've been so inspired by her, she, she has a presence about her. That's just it's so beautiful. She's got so always got wise words, I kind of look look up to it's funny, because I didn't know her at all, before all of this. And then, you know, kind of find out I've been introduced to this, you know, person who a lot of people really admire, and she's she's made, you know, an incredible impact on the world. But it was really, it's been kind of a little, a little magical. Evolution of our getting to know each other. And you know, she's met my family and all that. And it's just been lovely. So she and I and Lynette have formed. This is a 508 C, when a LMR scenary nonprofit organization. What that really means, basically, is that we have a nonprofit that is separate and apart from federal jurisdiction, federal and state jurisdiction. So we have a very well protected nonprofit, as opposed to like there's a 503 C one a or there's another one that's similar. That is a little more bound to the standard statutory jurisdiction, we are completely separate. So Oh, it's a very well protected body to gather this expert witness testimony. And that's something that I think a lot of doctors and practitioners can really see value in in that, you know, we don't want to sign documents that, you know, might end up somewhere else. So there's three trustees on the trot on on the effort. It's myself, Christianne and Lynette, we we have a contract that we signed with every person who participates to protect their their affidavit. So it goes straight from us to our to our lawyer of our legal counsel, who, who then will compile the the evidence, and he needs what we need. So there's some some really particular things. I talked to Dr. Malone and Peter McCall about this. And they, they're always like, Oh, no, we've already tried the affidavit thing, and it doesn't work. Well. It does work. But people don't know how to submit affidavits correctly. So

Dr. Paul  51:04  
when a person would submit an affidavit,

Gail Macrae  51:07  
so the affidavit, we're trying to build expert witness testimony. So we are looking for practitioners, doctors, nurses, and scientists, so the highest level of expertise, we would, you know, 1000s of those voices is really going to set precedents, that's the that's the value here of gathering experts is that when we get enough of us together, and we have the evidence completely sealed. So in order to do that, we need a video testimony of you reading the affidavit, the E, the original wet ink signature affidavit, we've already created the affidavit, that's the cool thing here is that all we really need people to do is go on the website, download the affidavit read through it, check out the exhibits, there's like 320 exhibits to support every statement that we made in the affidavit to to really seal it up. So they can't they can't pierce the evidence we have Evatt we have a substantial amount of evidence they can't pierce the affidavit. So if and in addition to that, if there's anything in that affidavit that you personally don't feel you can attest to, you can delete it, you can cross it out and initial, you can add whatever you want to the affidavit we created as as basically a platform to make this as easy as possible for everyone to do. And to just take away any extra work so that we can make, you know, make a go because people are busy. You know, they don't have a lot of time to invest. So this was kind of our way of thinking of putting it all together in a palatable way that people can understand what we're doing, and then also understand their role. So once we get those experts, it's really just going to be like a stock house of evidence to apply to literally every litigating COVID case around the world. Our attorneys gonna submit it into the state courts and then into the federal courts. So it the jurisdiction will go everywhere.

Dr. Paul  53:21  
So at stand firm now.org You need doctors and scientists and practitioners. Yeah. What other groups? Do you want people to go and take a look at these affidavits? Yeah,

Gail Macrae  53:35  
really any of them chiropractors, naturopathic doctors, paramedics, in bombers. Really, it's it's anyone who's got education in the healthcare fields. That's really, you know, what gives us the expertise to have an opinion about these things. And where that weight will really come through. The strongest when we go to court is, you know, these people are experts. And when they make statements, legally binding statements, you know, under oath, which is what a notarized affidavit is, so the, the notaries and officer, the courts, and we're using a jurat, which means, you know, you say, I swear that this evidence is true and correct. It really stands very strongly in the courts, especially with supporting video testimony, they can't, they can't throw out the evidence, the best they'll be able to do is dispute it. And if we have 1000s, they can't even do that. Because there's not going to be 1000s of doctors to come forward. And to be able to say all of these things in the affidavit are false because they're not we have the evidence.

Dr. Paul  54:52  
That's brilliant. All right. Thank you for sharing that. And if you're watching this and you have any expertise or just you Training knowledge. Take a look at Stanford now.org. And see if you can be a part of the solution. Now I'm going to bring on DD Hoover who's going to get down and personal with you about what your life has been like, given the choices you've made. Thank you so much, Gail. Actually, before I leave, I'm going to give you put in your last word of hope for people out there who are watching who are perhaps traumatized by this whole COVID thing. What last word would you like to give them?

Gail Macrae  55:28  
Thank you? So you know, that's a great, that's a great question. So I think that really the reason, the reason that I've turned to these affidavits is that when you sign this document and read it into video, you really, you really feel the power of what you're doing. And in a sense, I feel that it's an outstanding tool to help heal some of the traumas that we have been through with COVID. You know, and that's really what I would like people to know, like, you know, this is a tool, it's a tool, not only to help us heal, it's also a tool to help bring accountability to the folks who were responsible for all the atrocities that have occurred. So, you know, I would just love to see people come forward and put their energy behind this action. And, and stand beside us because really, United united, we stand divided we fall. And this really has the potential to break the foundation of the lies that we were told over the last three years. So I would love your support.

Dr. Paul  56:36  
Well, you have it and you know, folks, many great folks, giants of our world have said, when you witness something and do nothing, you are part of the problem. So here's an opportunity to do something. Thank you, Gail.

Gail Macrae  56:50  
Thank you.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  56:56  
Hi, Gail, I was listening to everything that you're saying to Dr. Paul, and I am just honored to be speaking with you. One of the things that Doc and I do together with our kids first forever program is segments and talking to people like you're a nurse, everything you've gone through, but you're also a mom, you're a daughter, you I don't know if you're a sister or any of those things. But that's the that's that spiritual loving side of who we are, is that we have all these other responsibilities on our life. So my question to you because it sounds like you were going through all of a lot of this when your children were younger? And what was happening for you as a mom, during this time. Were there any different thoughts? Anything like that?

Gail Macrae  57:45  
Yeah, so when all of this started, my kids were attending a local Waldorf school. And they were let's see. Two and Three, I believe. So the little one was there, I think two days a week and my my three year three and a half year old was there three days a week, and that was really, so I don't know why. But I just had a really strong gut wrenching reaction to masking my children. I, I wasn't going to allow it even for a brief period of time. So as soon as our school said that that might be coming. I went ahead and was like, you know, if you do that I'm pulling my kids out of this school. And then as the summer went by, so that would have been the summer of 2020. They had said, oh, you know, we're only going to be doing outside school because we can't get the kids and doors and, and all these other things. So I actually started looking for a teacher that I could hire and I started coordinating with some of my friends in the community. And we decided to kind of start a little private pod. Luckily, there was a really incredible group here that was under one of those Ely moss Aneri trusts. So it was a private Association for the well being of the community. And so once we became members, we were able to have that private contract between our teacher and all the other members in our community to protect us from legal whiplash. So I was just so happy and blessed to have access to that. Because I think a lot of families didn't. So that's what I did. I found a teacher. I coordinated with friends in the community who also didn't want their kids being you know, I'm having to wear masks all day. And we did a little community pod at my mother's house. Actually, my mom lives on a half an acre. She's got a garden and chickens and oh, wow, wonderful things. They live next to Creek paths. So we did like a little garden school here. And it was wonderful. And I would say that that's probably why we ended up staying as long as we did. There was some other things too, I don't really talk about this too much. Because I think that it's not really relevant to my COVID experience. But in addition to all of the things that I witnessed in the hospital, I personally developed a severe mask reaction. I'll put this up to the camera just to kind of show you what the masks did to my face. So is

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  1:00:52  
that part of your thought is that if you were developing that kind of reaction, what would probably happen to your children if they wore a mask?

Gail Macrae  1:00:57  
Yes, it was. And in addition to that, to just, it was, it was insane to see the way that my community rejected me. Even despite having such severe, physically observable impacts for masks, I got yelled at and cursed out and just treated really terribly by my community. And that was kind of the I think, the straw that broke the camel's back, you know, there's all these factors, there's the family factor, you know, my husband was having a lot of tension with his family, because I was seeing all this stuff in the hospitals and trying to talk to them about it. And they were just, you know, they didn't have ears to hear. And they considered me to be spreading dangerous misinformation. And that was really traumatizing for our family.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  1:01:53  
That's something that I want to point out. And to every listener out there. This is why we do these interviews and why Dr. Paul pulls on people like yourself, Gail, because you are not the only one, we had interviewed a nurse a while back, that I think we're referring to her as the coerced nurse because she got the shot. And fact I just heard recently that she was back in the hospital, she's very sick. And it affected her children in the most horrific way, not being able to do things not being able to care. So us as moms, yes. Especially when we're nurses are caregivers, and even doing body work like I do. You're caring for other people's children, or in your case, other adults, families, all these things, and you still have your children at home to think about, you still have to think about coming home to them and taking care of them and making great decisions for them. Which it sounds like you did that. So two things. One, what is your thoughts to these other nurses, I'm sure your heart goes out to them, but to nurses and doctors who got the shot and who are dealing with life changing disabilities? Can you talk to that?

Gail Macrae  1:03:04  
Yeah, you know, I think my own philosophies about this is that we have all come here during this time to fulfill our purpose. And I have gratitude, you know, I have to continue to have gratitude and, and pray for for those people that are that were injured, because, you know, they're making sacrifices, whether it's intentional or unintentional, or whatever the circumstances they've paid very high prices for, for where we are now. And I really, I really want those folks to know, you know, I would do I will, I'm fighting this fight for them. That's really ultimately what this is. I'm fighting this fight for our children. And I'm fighting it for my patients and colleagues who I saw being maimed and killed by the choices and the protocols that were placed in front of us. So this is my way of standing up for humanity with stand firm. Now,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  1:04:15  
for everybody out there that's watching. The one thing I'd like to add is, when you're listening to this, and there's you, you don't have that support, you don't have that hope. Gail is a great example of that this can be done. So finding resources and reaching out and I personally will make sure that we have some of that on our doctors and science.com website because it is really, really important that we have that no matter what. So thank you, Gail. So much my heart goes out to you and everything you're doing and I can't wait to meet those children. I definitely want to set a date to interview your beautiful little boy and even that cute little girl and I Wish you the best in everything you do, and we'll stay in touch.

Gail Macrae  1:05:03  
Thank you so much

Dr. Paul  1:05:10  
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