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​DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  0:04  
Hello, everyone, welcome to with the win science revealed. I'm Deedee. Hoover and I am filling in for Dr. Paul. I'm so excited today I had the opportunity to interview Joy Garner with the control group. This study is very important to me personally, I believe that it's the evidence needed to prove that vaccines do cause harm, and that the unvaccinated are healthier than those who have been vaccinated. Joy and I discussed the control group study, the how and the why of this study, and the importance of this study to our human existence. I hope you enjoy the show.

Hi, everyone, it's me DD Hoover. And as you know, I'm filling in for Dr. Paul this week. So for this segment of from the heart, I'm going to come to you from my soul. You see, I lived life a little differently than some others do. I believe that who we are spiritually and soulfully is how we make a difference. When I get up every morning, I think about having faith over fear. I take deep breaths, and I say to myself, How can I do more today than I did yesterday? How do what do I do today that makes tomorrow even better? I know sounds a little silly. But I believe that that's what living from your soul is that's the purpose. I'm seeing so much happen in our world. And sometimes I get scared. And that's where again, I choose faith over fear. I remember that I'm connected. I remember that I'm loved. No matter what you believe in, you believe in God, no matter what your faith is. It's important. I believe that together, we can do anything we want to do. I believe that when we put our kids first. That's how we make a better world by focusing on our children. That's how we make a difference. So from my soul, to your soul, every day, go out and make a difference. Make every day better than the day before and make it so that tomorrow is even better. Thanks for watching.

Hey, everyone, it's me DD Hoover, and I am here with with the wind. You're probably wondering what is happened to Dr. Paul, while he's busy taking care of some other personal business. So I'm here I'm having this amazing opportunity to bring to you an incredible interview. So I would like to welcome Joy Garner with the control group. And thank you for your time and being willing to interview with me. I appreciate that.

Joy Garner  3:02  
Well, thank you so much for having me. This is really important information to get out. There.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  3:06  
It is. And so we're just going to jump in here. First share with our audience, your story as it relates to vaccines and medical freedom.

Joy Garner  3:17  
For starters, I as a child on witnessed the government buses pulling into my grammar school, none of the parents were notified. And they were doing a big measles vaccine thing. I was in second grade. And within a week I my tonsils were so swollen. And it was just you know, get on the bus and you get a lollipop. We didn't know what was going on in the bus. And it was a little band aid, you know, lollipop, right, it just gets and none of the parents weren't formed. And less than a week later, actually, I found myself almost dead on the playground because my tonsils had swollen up so bad that they closed my airway. And so it's nothing short of a miracle. I survived this. I managed to make to the nurse's office at our school, she put something into my throat and helped me and then they gave me something to take the swelling down. Luckily we had a country doctor, literally a few blocks away from the school. Within two months, my best friend, beautiful little Russian girl was diagnosed with leukemia. Everyone all of a sudden started getting asthma and eczema. And just I noticed this even though I was a child, I was from a family that was already a little bit suspicious about a farmer. And so that was kind of in my mind, and I noticed this and it it never really left me. And then as I got older now my grandma, California is trying to pass the mandates. At that time it was SB 276 I believe in 2017. And I just got this wild idea that I'm If somebody needed to do a nationwide control group study of all ages, and the way that I structured this was with the concept that I did find out from the CDC zone numbers, that well over 99% Precisely, according to a more refined calculations, 99.74% of all Americans in all age groups have had some vaccine exposure during their lifetime, which means there's this precious 0.26%, approximately 830,000 nationwide in all ages that are entirely vaccine free. And so could I reach these people? Like they're one out of every 450 people that you're going to come across? But they exist? And where are they located? And what things do they read? They're the most concerned about new laws that would mandate vaccines. So obviously, I protest. So my first step was to go to protest of vaccine mandates, and ask around, is there anyone here that's entirely unvaccinated? Would you like to fill out this survey? And that expanded on and made it nationwide, we got a robust sample from 48 states. All the major cities in those states, most of their major towns and village areas. So very, very robust sample, much higher sampling rate than you're gonna see in just about any well now, much higher sampling rate than you will see in any CDC or NIH or other government funded

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  6:43  
health study, or survey. Do they even do I have to ask you that all the time.

Joy Garner  6:49  
So they say they know, but they've never counted? Yeah, they know, but they never counted. What we're doing is the comparison is between, okay, we've gotten national averages for all these different health conditions. And some of them are, you know, haven't been updated for 15 years or five years or 10 years. But we can fairly assume that those health statistics are representative of the health of a night over well over 99% vaccine exposed population at any level of exposure. There we go. We already have those numbers. We know what the populated herds health is like, don't we? What we didn't know, until this particular study was conducted is nationwide in all ages. What does the health of the unvaccinated population look like? And it's stunning, the difference is just staggering. So and then we threw in a couple of one of the confounders potential confounders that I thought could occur in this study was, I knew that there were some dangers associated with the vitamin K shot. And also I found that there were some issues with women who were vaccinated during their pregnancy, but then produced a medically fragile child, who then they decided not to vaccinate the child. Like I had one woman who produced she was vaccinated heavily during her pregnancy. And she produced a child that had microcephaly and a lot of other serious problems, like an extra kidney and all kinds of weird problems, like almost no brain, and tons of other problems as well. And she said, I was shocked when she told me that her baby who was still alive and gotten vaccinated. I was like, why would you vaccinate during your pregnancy? And she just said, because that was the first time I suspected vaccine. It was when that baby was born. With all these conditions that I said to myself, this might have something to do with vaccines. And I also had a medically fragile child who I didn't believe could could tolerate the the risks associated with vaccine, which they at least admit that there's some risk so. So anyway, those were confounding factors, potentially confounding factors that we added into the survey. It was this child exposed to the vitamin K shot was the the mother vaccinated during pregnancy. And turns out the average exposure to the vitamin K shot in the vaccinated population for the past 2530 years, is almost almost 99% Get the kite the K shot. However, in the unvaccinated population, those parents about 30% of only about 30% of them get the K shot for their baby. So this tells me that those two thirds of the unvaccinated parents or parents have unvaccinated children are saying no to the K shot a lot. And but what was good for the study, not good for the children who got the K shot was that it showed there was an exponential increase in health problems, specifically within that minority of the unvaccinated children who were exposed to the K shot. And that explains a lot. Like for instance, the autism, the only two autism cases we had in the entire unvaccinated population were both exposed to the vitamin K shot. But wow, there was not a single entirely unvaccinated child who also voted avoided the case shot with autism and myriad other conditions as well. Like autism, we focus on it because it's so horrific the idea of hurting someone's brain. But when you destroy their pancreas, and now they're a diabetic, or you destroy any of their systems, it's equally tragic. I mean, yes. And so, you know, i i at the protests that I would go to, it was like, I'd hold up a sign that just said, you know, autism is brain damage. You know, vaccines cause brain damage. I mean, it's well established, actually, they actually admit that it can cause brain damage. But they've, they've stratified every different type of brain damage to where in any given year, you go, Well, this only had, it wasn't a statistically significant increase in this one type of brain damage. But when you just put it all together and go, Okay, mental problems and neurological problems, and you put it all together, and then you compare it against the entirely unvaccinated population, night and day, night and day.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  11:47  
So that brings us because you just gave me a whole lot of information is just one answer. Sorry. That's okay. No, it's important. Every detail is so important. And that's why we wanted to bring you on so you can share this is really important information that we want to share with the audience, because people ask a lot about it. And a lot of people don't know what the control group is. And I didn't even know that until starting to speak and hearing, you know, people who are unvaccinated were part of the control group. And Dr. Paul even mentioned this when we speak that. Now there's a new control group. And that's those are the risks of a vaccine. Yeah. So it's now I really get it. So with the research that you did with that study, can you explain the design of the control group, like how you mentioned that, you know, you asked people, and that's how you got them onto it. But what's the design of how it was done?

Joy Garner  12:40  
Well, it's a survey to Health Survey. And the it was typically the reporters would be parents, but sometimes, very rarely, the adult was entirely unvaccinated. Now, those are very rare. So entirely unvaccinated children nationwide average, it's actually approaching 1%. And in some states, it's it's even higher. I'm just talking averages nationwide. That's okay. That's for adults. This was really an interesting part of it. For those over the age of 18, the percentage of the US population that remains entirely unexposed to any type of vaccine is point 04 2%. Well, that's our best calculation. So when I'm saying one in every 450 people, that's if you're talking about kids, but if you're talking about people over the age of 18, it's much more rare than that, like one out of every few 1000. They're almost

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  13:49  
thank god that's changing, because we are

Joy Garner  13:53  
now I decided that there were also going to be a lot of people on social media. A lot of these feeds have been censored and shut down since then. But at that time, there were still some robust samples to glean from on these unvaccinated feeds on social media. They weren't as verboten as they became during the COVID event. So tremendous response. And what was nice is that we were able to just post the PDF for the surveys on our website and just direct people to the website. And because people were more than happy to fill it out themselves and lick a stamp, I didn't have to have a phone room, and knowing that this eliminated any possibility of survey or bias. In other words, we were not choosing who might respond to this. And I was actually fearful that some pharma bots, might send us a bunch of fake surveys. And there might have been a few in there where they're like, I'm on vaccinated and I have every disease under the sun, you know, right. And they may have skewed the results to some extent if that did occur. And of course, there's always the possibility that entirely unvaccinated people want to justify their position. So even though the kid does have health problems, maybe they're not going to tell the truth, right, but there's no evidence that this side or that side is more or less likely to lie. Right? It's going to come out in the wash. And when you run this statistical analysis, and irregularities, you can spot those anyway. And we ended up with an unbelievable accuracy rating for this survey, due to the high sampling rate, all of the envelopes that weren't from me actually showing up at a protest are post stamped that shows which county and the date that it came from. So I was doing this in preparation, according to the Federal Rules of Evidence, I wanted to make sure all of this would be admissible for our lawsuit, because, you know, it's one thing to go, oh, let's raise awareness. But I wanted to see if it was possible to make some changes on a legal level with a seven ounce. Gotcha.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  16:15  
Well, and kind of explain that to me a little bit, too. I mean, people are wondering, it's like, you know, you want to have studies and because the CDC isn't doing any studies, or FDA or anything, since that's not done and not something that we really see. I'm guessing that again, the purpose of doing it is to show what these results are to people to hopefully look and go, Wow, yeah, maybe I shouldn't vaccinate my child. Maybe I should question things. Maybe I should understand that there's vaccine injury and vaccine effects, there's a difference there, and that you have control over what you do with your own child. But it sounds to me this is even bigger, that if you have that study, what do you mean by it would make the legal difference?

Joy Garner  17:02  
Well, we took a huge stab at this, Greg Glaser took the case, he's general counsel for physicians for informed consent. And he helps out with a lot of other kind of anti backs, groups and health freedom. legal matters out there, but he was actually our lead counsel. And we just went into federal court to see if it was possible to get an injunction to stop the genocide, because this is what the numbers prove. And there is no evidence produced by the defendants, in this case, the federal government to contradict it's one thing to say, well, we don't believe your evidence, but it's quite another that they don't have anything to contradict it. Because they've never studied it. They've gone out of their way to avoid studying what the control group looks like, what is their health, like, in comparison to vaccine exposed people. And so that was a basic legal theory that they, the rights violations surrounding all of these vaccine mandates are a little bit complex. I'm the one that insisted that we include the 13th Amendment involuntary servitude, because you're serving as I admittedly, none of the vaccines have ever been studied for their long term health, none of them. Most people don't know that. They think, well, the measles vaccine has been out there for a long time. So it must have had some long term studies. No, it's never none of them. Have ever had any long term studies. And when you open up the vaccines, or inserts, you see that no long term studies, they admitted, we don't know whether or not this causes cancer, we've never checked into it. We don't know whether this causes birth defects. We never looked into it. And so anyone that's being told you're going to be deprived of your rights preemptively deprived of rights, I, in order to coerce you into serving as an experimental Medical Subject. I'm sorry, I don't see that in the Constitution as being authorized power of government. So I was really firm on that one, even though it sounds whimsical or outlandish. I made sure that was in the lawsuit as well, only to find ultimately that every single single we've approached the Supreme Court three times the US Supreme Court, and what we found out there is that all of the justices are completely compromised and owned by Pharma. So

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  19:43  
what do you what do you say? Yeah, because again, a lot of people don't fully understand that

Joy Garner  19:47  
as to Okay. So there's federal rules that say that if a judge has a conflict of interest, doesn't matter if your Supreme Court judge doesn't matter which level you're out in district a circuit Doesn't matter if you have a financial interest in the outcome of a lawsuit, as a judge, you are obligated to recuse yourself from that judge in that case. And so when when the rubber met the road with our final battle at the Supreme Court level, Greg filed a petition to get them to recuse themselves, pointing out that even though they broke the rule and failed to disclose their conflicts, we have located them and here was the evidence. You're all conflicted. Get off at this case, you aren't required to appoint a panel of truly unconflicted judges to take your place on this case. Simple and what happened into it, they just ignored it. And ignored the evidence that we we went they lied. They lied basically by not doing the disclosures that you're required to because the thing is, the right to recuse is something that as a plaintiff or a litigant, you can waive. So I once was before a judge that admitted a conflict disclosed, openly disclosed as they're required to do a serious conflict. And she looked me in the eye and asked me to please trust her anyway. And then if I would trust her, she was going to make sure I got it. And I something about her eyes. I was like, You know what? I am going to trust you. First off, because you were honest about your conflicts. Right? You wouldn't have admitted that to me if you intended to railroad me, you know. And as it turned out, she did the right thing. All I needed was a fair trial. And she did the right thing. And I won. And but these US Supreme Court justices don't follow the law. They don't disclose voluntarily, as they are absolutely legally required to do. So they don't give you the option of saying, you know, due to that conflict, I don't want you. And then on top of that, when we came back and confronted them, like we have the evidence, you didn't disclose it, but we gathered it. And every single one of you is conflicted. Get off of this case. They just ignored it dismissed our case. So wow, that's the State of the Union. Right? This is serious. These are political appointments, that are owned who by corporate America and foreign corporations as well, the pharma conglomerates. And they don't care if it brings about the collapse of this country, so long as they serve their former masters. That is how bad it is. I don't you know, I don't know why they think that these elites will let them eat at their table after they've destroyed this nation, or why they would think they themselves have any seat of power in this world, without the American people. But that's where they're at. They're ready. They're fully on board with the depopulation, and collapse of the United States of America. All of the justices, not a one of them will stand up and do the right thing. Wow. So everything else, you know, overturning Roe v. Wade are different things, you know, supporting gun rights. What right do you have left? If the government can do this to you just murder you with an injection?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  23:30  
Don't you think that's the whole? That to me is the whole reason that doctors like Dr. Paul, and people like you and some of the lawyers, that's the medical freedom fight. That's the whole point is to be able to create this information. So back to the control group, where can people go? And we'll also be putting this up on our website, but where do people go to find the studies? Is there support you can give

Joy Garner  23:56  
the control group.org is where you will find that our study site, the legal site is informed consent defense.org informed consent defense.org And that is where you can see the entire documentation showing you what led up to our confrontations with the US Supreme Court and how scummy they are treasonous. That's the word. murderously treasonous, would be the correct phrase for our United States Supreme Court. All these other things where it looked like they were defending our rights on some level. They were just window dressing. The real battle here was are they going to let pharma murder America? And the definitive answer from the Supreme Court is yes, that's okay by us. That just gets hard time. It's horrifying, but it's something people need to be aware of. Now that shouldn't dissuade people from going into state courts. Right? Okay, because I have found even within the state of California, there are a lot of good judges, they just need the right case. And in retrospect, I wish to God, I'd have just gone into state court, the federal courts are fully corrupt. They're useless, they will not defend. They exist only to defend the federal government. They don't give a crap about the Constitution or people of America, or even the survival of this nation. We do still have the state court judges, and mind you whether they whether they call it a superior court count, but county judge whether they call it superior district or whatever. One county judge can sign an order that affects the law in the entire state, get an injunction against some executive order from the Governor, or even an injunction against the legislative body. Which, you know, we've got very questionable elections these days, the legislative body that passed into law, some unconstitutional atrocity, one judge in one county can affect the whole state. So people need to be aware of that, and there are still very many good state court judges. Yeah,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  26:19  
I want to believe there's good people period, and that hopefully, at some point, the federal system will change also. So I understand, I understand that you recently got this study published. I want to know more I want to know where so if you Is this the point, we just like to go ahead and grab the screen, I would like to actually

Joy Garner  26:38  
screen share, I was able to get many PhDs, both in the federal lawsuit and in peer reviewing this study that got published to, you know, look at it and say, Yes, this makes sense and even contribute to it. Like, my math is a little better on this one. Due to an MIT senior research scientist who helped organize this and edit it, what I'd like to do is just go straight to the graphs. Now, the one for the children, we were using old numbers for what the vaccine exposed population of children in America looks like. And we were forced to do that, because they won't publish the most recent numbers. They're trying to hide how exponential the damages. And, and we also didn't want to be criticized at all in terms of having exaggerated how bad it is. So we just picked one of the more reliable sources or considered reliable sources for where the numbers were out. I think for the children, it was 2015 or something. And at that time, we had 27%, suffering chronic conditions. Now that may sound like not a big deal, but when you're talking about chronic conditions, most of them are life threatening and debilitating. And will shorten your life span, for sure. So included in this 27% is stuff like cancer, which is now the leading cause of death of children in America, smoke leading cause of

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  28:17  
death about people who are watching. Dr. Paul also uses this. So if you can go over, just explain the colors. The orange is the vaccine. So

Joy Garner  28:25  
the orange is vaccine exposed children as of 2020, but these numbers were very conservative at that time, because the lab it was on a steep incline from what we could see. But anyway, so the orange is vaccine exposed children. And so this is for one chronic condition, at least one chronic condition. And now the transparent 5.97%. And then there's a little blue line under that. So 5.97% of unvaccinated children had one chronic condition. But the interesting distinction here, if you go below there is that the transparent section shows a different risk factor within those children that got the case shot. Okay, in that group, it was an incidence of 13.32% that had at least one chronic condition. And for the children who had no vaccines, and no K shot, it was 2.25%. And I can tell you from having done the research myself and input all of this data personally, that 2.25% that had at least one chronic condition. Most of those were extremely mild, for instance, there was no diabetes, there was no cancer. There were none of these more serious problems going on in the entirely unvaccinated. And no exposure to K shot children, they just didn't have these problems. So let me just move along here to the adults because this is even more staggering because you're looking at cumulated. More when you're looking at the people over the age of 18, you're looking at accumulation, accumulation. So 60% As of 2020 of adults over the age of 18 are suffering at least one chronic condition if they have been exposed to vaccines. However, in the entirely unvaccinated population, we're talking 5.71%. And even more staggering, is that you look at the percentage that are at least two chronic conditions in the vaccinated population. That's 42%. Now we're looking at on the unvaccinated side, we're looking at the transparencies to the right, the green which is the combination of blue and, and red, and four, four, the risk value for the ones that didn't get the K shot, it just it just drops down. As you can see over here on the five chronic conditions, literally zero. So it the K shot is a factor, it's a serious factor, but it doesn't really glare out at you until you separate it from everyone else. So in other words, for the overall number of 5.71 we were adding the key shot people to the rest of the unvaccinated and came up with five. But the vast majority of injured people in this study were the ones that got the K shot, even though they were the minority of people in this day. Like I said, it was around 30% that had gotten the K shot. And yet they represented about 70% of the injuries and health problems that showed up in this study. So it's it's it's a serious, additional problem. So one of the things I wanted to go to was something that was kind of staggering. And the MIT scientist I was talking about refined this and made more sense out of it, even even for me. So at the top of this page, this is page nine of the PDF. So what she determined was that this is the odds that vaccines are not the cause of this disparity in health outcomes. The direct cause of all of these health problems are one in I can't even the number we couldn't have fitted in here, it's three times the number of atoms that are estimated to exist in the universe. That is all squared out on the ninth page. So, you know, it makes you think of the Dumb and Dumber movie with Jim Carrey, where he says, So you're telling me there's a chance that vaccines are innocent? Oh, I guess there's a chance. And remember in that movie, the odds that that were making us laugh at how Stan astoundingly idiotic this guy was was only one in a million. Okay, this is three times the number of atoms estimated atoms estimated to exist in the universe. Those are the odds against the innocence of vaccines. So they're not Abelson, it's mathematically impossible, that vaccines are not the cause of this disparity in health outcomes. So when you look at those graphs, just know it's backed with that kind of math. This is not subjective. It's very objective evidence. And we conducted the study so that it could pass muster in federal court, or we could ever be given an opportunity to present the evidence, and that's where they stop you at the gate. They make sure that you can never show the evidence to anyone else. That's how they stop you.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  34:32  
Yeah. Well, again, to that point, I mean, look at Dr. Pol. And that Kancil culture as soon as he proved with his own study and his own practice, real world data, sorry, you can't be a pediatrician. It

Joy Garner  34:44  
wasn't coming grassroots from the ground up. It was coming top down. Yeah. So this is the gold standard for determining toxicity of any substance. And now we know there are multiple toxic substances that are identified as toxic in the vaccine. means, however, the minute you add a toxin to something that has the label vaccine on it, it's magically washed with some, I don't know, that says it's no longer a toxin, as, as long as that toxin is inside of a needle that they call a vaccine, suddenly, it's no longer considered toxic I, you know, go figure. But this shows what happens when you actually do granulate out and identify who got what shot. And you showed the increasing exposure, causing increasing disease. And so what we're looking at is the orange lines are the ones with two chronic conditions. And the blue line is for people that only have one chronic condition. Now, zero exposure to either the K shot or the maternal vaccine. And no post birth vaccines are the baseline here. And you're watching a go up que shot only, it's a straight line on the blue, whether or not you're going to end up with at least one condition, the percentage that will end up with at least one health condition, it is a straight line up when you're talking about exposure to additional toxicants on a gradient. So the first level is the key shot only. You see it go up in a perfect straight line on the on the group that had at least one chronic condition. And then you go to the neck for the for the orange, I'm not even sure why we put that one in there. But that one's shows for two, two chronic conditions. How the number or percentage of these people increased. So then you got the maternal vaccine only button, okay, shot goes up again, both the vitamins now this one was really scary. Because when we stratified down to the babies who got no post birth vaccines, but they did get both the maternal vaccine exposure and the K shot, they had the worst. They're not their averages for health problems are even worse on many levels than the national averages for kids that have been vaccinated their whole life. What we narrowed down so we found out the single most dangerous shot any human can get is while they're in utero. Wow. So the autism rate when you when you take it to the ones that got both the K shot and maternal vaccine shot was almost twice the national average. So K shot, our number showed that the K shot will slightly increase your risk of autism. But if it's combined with a maternal vaccine, it's exponential. Like this is before you're even considering vaccines after birth. Like I mean it's it's it's it's staggering. How obvious this is. And so here we talk at a closer look at autism and vaccines. And that's just because such a big deal was made about it. And the CDC I guess, was recently forced to remove their statement where they said that vaccines have been proved it's been proven that vaccines can cause autism. They just recently were forced by Bobby Kennedy's group to remove that statement, which was nice. So of the two otters autism cases in the entire study, means that within the entirely unvaccinated, the risk of autism would be 0.13%. Right? And our national averages are coming in at about 3% and change. However, both of these autism cases in this study, were in the K shot and or maternal vaccine exposure group with zero exposure to vaccines, either in utero or after birth, and with no K shot. There were zero autism cases. So this is a unique marker specific to it. exposure, what we think is the adjuvant that they put in the K shot, because most people are they get their baby the K shot because they're told, Well, it's just a vitamin. No, it's not they put aluminum adjuvant, which is the same thing they put in the vaccines inside of those key shots. So it's not just a vitamin, the parents are being lied to. And that's the main reason parents who are anti Vax, have been fooled into getting the K shot for their kids. So yeah, we've got zero autism. However, when you go to the K shot only, you've got a zero point 2020 to 4% risk of autism, I'm going to put that across the top here, and then you go to, because it's basically zero risk if you're entirely unvaccinated, and you avoid the K shot. But if you get the K shot for your kid, even if you don't, even if you weren't vaccinated during your pregnancy, and even if you don't intend to vaccinate them ever, you're still putting your child at a 0.24% risk of autism just by getting the key shot. And then in shield, and then it was the ones that got the with with the maternal vaccine, it was 3.13%. However, the scariest group was the one with 100% rate of exposure to both the K shot and the maternal vaccine. Where it was 4.76% risk of autism it baby got both of those exposures. So approximately 50% of all pregnancies in United States, maybe more now after COVID. But at the time that we did this study, it was about 50% of all pregnancies in the United States were vaccinated, I guess it gets us to a subject that's really important for people to understand natural background. Right, right. What is that? Natural? If you're, if you're doing studies within a vaccine exposed population, how do you find that, right and go to the true controls that have never been vaccinated. And then you get your natural background rates for all of these diseases. And what we found is no diabetes, no cancer, almost no, anything. Glyphosate was another subject that came up. There's a fine lady at MIT, Stephanie Senath, who studied this at length. And what she found was that, and she reports it, she reports it and we did some coverage on it here that the glyphosate is a life likely suspect in autism as well, as well as birth defects. But we focused largely on on the fact that there was another study Moms Across America, they actually hired a researcher to put together the numbers on glyphosate content in the vaccines, childhood vaccines. And he found that the highest amounts of glyphosate were actually found in the MMR shot, which is the one that most of the parents who end up with autistic children and associated with the vaccine, they're always saying it was right after the MMR shot. And it just so happens that is the one that is highest in glyphosate. And there's not a single study from any of our health agencies that even looks at the question, let alone produces any data that could tend to contradict anything in any of these studies. Like I'm not standing alone here, I'm standing on some other pretty impressive shoulders. And I just took a different approach here, but it's all the same data. And it's all irrefutable. It is mathematically impossible that vaccines are not the actual cause of well over 90% of the health problems suffered by Americans today. That includes children and adults of all ages. And now we're seeing with the COVID vaccines.

I call it the warp speed depopulation agenda, because when I looked at that, as horrifying as I thought that scenes already were, when I had no idea it was as bad as what I found out. I mean, I still was just dumbfounded. I was there was a little part of me praying it wasn't really this bad and and, you know, like maybe I'm, I'm, I'm hyperventilating about something that's not as serious as this, but turns out, it's much more serious than I ever imagined. And I was horrified to find these results. So I was calling this a depopulation agenda through vaccination before the COVID vaccines were rolled out. And now we're just in a warp speed phase.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  45:11  
And for me, I think the insanity is that someone like yourself, which maybe just kind of touch on that a bit, because we sort of got into it, we talked about your background, but like, what is your education and your career or job or whatever? Is that part of what prepared you for this? Or is this just the mom and grandma thing?

Joy Garner  45:35  
Well, it's, you know, definitely nothing would have happened without some concerning passion and without wanting to protect my loved ones. But it became kind of universal. When I did a national security report of my own for purposes of the the lawsuit, where I focused in on the future of our country. And realize, you know, like, even if my children survive this, because they avoid all of these toxins, are they going to have a country? Like how's our country going to survive? The majority of its population being disabled? Right, and not able to work? You know? So, so that was a big part of what fueled the passion. When I stepped into this, I was just a tech inventor, and, you know, startup lady, and pretty limited education, just, you know, four years of college. That's it. Ba, like nothing special. So I don't you know, people can look at me, oh, you're not qualified to talk on these matters? Well, you know, if that was the attitude back in old England, they would have never cleaned up the systems. I mean, the father of modern epidemiology, snow. That's where I figured out how to do this. Right. Okay. He was this character was I studied him because I was like, Well, I'm going to do an epidemiological study nationwide. Okay, who started this? Where, what's the history here? And what's the proper way to conduct this. And so in old England, this guy smell was looking at the fact that people were getting cholera, in England, and he wanted to stop it because it was killing a lot of people. And he suspected, you might have something to do with the drinking water, the systems that were supplying different other different systems in different parts of London, say. And what he found is that if he just did some questionnaires, like, Hey, did anyone here die of cholera, and they mapped where they were getting their water from? Right. And it was just a pretty easy fix from there, because it was like, Oh, it's coming from this. And sure enough, every cistern where the people were dying, who drank from it turned out to be horribly polluted. There'd be like, slime all over it and rats, dead rats in there. And then as soon as they cleaned it up, people stopped dying. What do you know? So this was similar to that in the sense of when you can exclude. And so that's what we were doing. We were excluding, he was excluding by going, okay, these people don't drink from that. They're not dying of cholera. These people do, they're dying from cholera. The other exclusion was when you remedy it. Does the problem go away? Well, in a sense, we get that by going okay. All you unvaccinated people get together. And we see that since you didn't do that, you didn't drink from that? Well, you're all doing great. You're the healthiest people in the country. So and we're learning about all these great ways to keep our health and I'm to help people that have taken a shot. Not collapsed.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  48:51  
Exactly. And there's and that's just kind of like people who ate unhealthy for so long. It's not like it's over. You can always make choices to change and get your health back. What would your recommendations be to others regarding vaccines?

Joy Garner  49:04  
Absolutely. Don't let them inject anything into your body? Nothing. Okay. I knew that was the answer. Yeah, yeah, absolutely nothing. I have yet to see any evidence that you're improving your lifespan or your health. or reducing the odds that you'll die of a health associated problem if you inject these drugs into your body. So that's like my final answer on that as well. But what about the tetanus or what about what the tetanus shot? Isn't that an exception? No, there's there's no exception. There's there's zero evidence that your body will do better if you take a shot.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  49:55  
And again, I think it's back to like one of the questions is we know for those people that are sitting there going And like, I cannot do anything. What about the risk? What about the risk? And

Joy Garner  50:05  
I'm getting vitamin D and vitamin C. Right?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  50:08  
Right. Well, and that's the thing, I think it's, I think that's the piece is really looking at each one. And that's something that Dr. Pol did in his book. And it's still totally promotes, because we all believe at this point after he did his study that it's not safe at all, any vaccine,

Joy Garner  50:24  
you're on the other thing. I mean, if you're terrified about all these little bugs, you know, just a really important thing for people to understand is that even the most innocuous bacteria, that's normally a healthy thing for your gut, or whatever could kill you. If you're not a healthy person. If your immune system is compromised, anything can kill you. It'll look like the bug. That bug is what killed you because it's flourishing at the moment, because you have no immune system. And now it's invading places that shouldn't go right and breaking down your systems. But that was because you didn't have basic health and your immune system was not functioning properly, to keep these bacteria in balance. In any given evening, what else in any given day, we are exposed to billions and billions and trillions of different things, any one of which could be something deadly, if we were unhealthy. Okay, that's actually the case. So keep yourself healthy, right. And don't think that you're going to be able to treat your body like trash, because you can always just get a vaccine, and that will protect you. The vaccine will not protect you. Your immune system screwed up, you're not healthy, you're not taking care of yourself. You're not making sure you get the nutrients and the nutrition that you need. You're consuming poison all the time. Don't look to a shot in the arm to save you it won't. Right?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  51:56  
I had, I'll share a quick conversation I have I work in pediatric bodywork and I work on a lot of kids who are completely unvaccinated healthiest kids, they are their number, their appointments. And one of my older teens, she had experienced a little bit of bullying, just like my son did when he was younger with, you know, making a choice not to vaccinate for things. And it was the swine flu for my son years ago. And when he went back to school, because he couldn't go to school during that time, since he wasn't going to do the live vaccine. So when he went back to school, one of the other little kids is like, you know, well, it's really too bad, right? Or that your mom didn't love you enough to give you the vaccine response at the time was, well, it's too bad that your mom didn't love you enough to keep you home and keep you healthy. You know? So it says a pattern that goes back with kids in so many

Joy Garner  52:50  
ways. I just think that medical privacy should come first to like, What business is it of the other kids are the school wide, the kids finding out or

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  52:59  
while he's not in school? I mean, that's the thing. That's the piece is we can talk about medical privacy and so forth. But the fact if you're a kid, and you're in school, and he wasn't elementary at that time, here's all the kids and they're in school and have and yeah, that shouldn't have been a teacher that said, Well, he can't get the vaccine. So he's not here. But my older patient when I asked her about how she was handling the bullying, about not getting the COVID vaccine, she said, Well, the way I see it is you could get hit by a bus tomorrow talking to this other kid, you could get hit by a bus tomorrow and there goes your life anyway. So I'm just going to choose to not get vaccinated. And I'm thinking to myself, That's the things there's risks every day in LA and

Joy Garner  53:41  
if the vaccine works, so well why do you care if I'm vaccine? Like, you're gonna tell me? You just care whether or not no, they were telling us unvaccinated people, it didn't take the COVID shot that they wanted us to die. Right? They were wishing death on us.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  53:58  
So what is your suggestions? Because this is something that I chat with people all the time. What is your suggestions on how to talk to somebody who really is convinced that vaccinating their children is the best thing they can do?

Joy Garner  54:11  
Um, it's a tough one. I I'm not an expert on that one. I've, I've tried. I've got people insult me and you know, just horrifying the kinds of cruelty that you can face when you try to help someone and, but I doesn't stop me. Like, there's here's the thing. They may not listen to you the first time they hear Trump. But I'll tell you what, the next time they go in for the kids shots and the kids sick or injured after the shot. They're gonna go, huh? Right, and maybe they'll stop then. One thing I do know for sure is my own conscience. No matter how much I'm going to be made fun of or abused. for suggesting that people look into the facts before they vaccinate the blood snot on my hands that way, right? You know, my hands are clean, because I saw somebody and I'm awful like, I'll just be out in public, my family gets the mom, you talking about vaccines, again, it's embarrassing, you know, but I'll just see some happy couple with this beautiful baby. And I'll be like, um, you know, you might want to ease up on what the doctors are telling you to inject and stuff, because it's turning out a lot of the stuff they told us isn't true. And the distance actually really harmful. And, you know, I'll try to get him like, you know, bring up my website and show him a graph or something and go, Well, this is what the you know. And sometimes they actually, like I've actually quite a few times, have a young couple with a new baby, actually pay attention and listen to me, and go, thank you. You know, we didn't know any of this. Thank you. And that, but that's the minority, you know, but hey, if you know, two out of 10, or one out of 100 however many you don't stop, you don't stop speaking the truth. Because you're afraid someone's gonna be embarrassed or someone's gonna not like what you're saying or that they're gonna get abusive or call you a conspiracy theorist, or you don't just keep your mouth shut. If we keep our mouth shut. The farmer wins. Right? And that's the end of humanity. Right, so. So thank you for being one

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  56:35  
of those fighters that will not go silently like myself. Yeah, thank you. It was wonderful chatting with you and keep up the good work. So we'll put up on our for those that are watching. We'll have it on our website, too, with the information and any other things. I'll send you all three links. So that was gonna say send me everything. Thanks again, enjoy Garner for spending time with me and allowing us to watch and see a

Joy Garner  57:00  
little bit Dr. Paul and give him my best wishes, please. Sure. Well, thank you. All right, bye.

Dr. Paul  57:11  
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