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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Welcome to with the wind science revealed, you're never gonna guess who our guest is today, none other than Dell big tree of the high wire and I can. He's like a brother to me. In fact, I fashion to this show just wanting to be a little bit like Dell in the high wire. He's covering his State of the Union, he's covering those things he feels are most important for us to be aware of. And we're also going to dig into the man himself. You're not going to miss a moment. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. My topic today is standing for what you believe in, no matter the cost. Several really great individuals have spoken to this issue. MLK said the ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people. But the silence over that by the good people. Desmond Tutu. If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. He was living through apartheid in South Africa, Albert Einstein, the world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything. We've been through a time, folks, I mean, this whole COVID 19 years, if you will, now I can't believe it's gone on that long, has really shone a bright light on our situation. I mean, how many people have made excuses, rationalizing why they had to follow orders, you know, to mask to socially isolate, to cause their kids to be socially isolated and masked, and to actually subject their, their own bodies, and sometimes those of their children to take an experimental shot that we now know, to have been extraordinarily dangerous. And the writing was on the wall in the beginning that this was not a good idea. We had reasons, right? Well, I'm gonna lose my job, I'll lose, I won't be able to go to school, I won't be able to travel, I won't be able to, you know, even go into a bar or to an event. We gave up so much when we refuse to stand for what we believed in. So I remember one time, I was giving a talk to a large group of freedom, individuals, doctors, and lawyers and scientists. And one of the lawyers really came on hard afterwards and told me I need to shut up, or I'm going to lose my license. And I remember just going, No, that's ridiculous. Dell big tree was there. He wasn't on the program. But he went up, grabbed the mic, and said, Folks, we've got it all wrong, if we're going to choose to be silent when we know what's actually going on. And he talked to that audience and said, We need more people to stand up. And that's my call to all of you watching. It is our time, no matter in what little way it may be, to stand up for the truth. Stand up for justice. And do what you know, in your heart and soul is the right thing to do.

Welcome, Dell, big tree, you are the CEO of the informed consent Action Network and the host of the high wire, the most important show in the world. In my opinion, thank you for being on with the wind science revealed.

Del Bigtree  3:39  
It's awesome to be here. It's always a joy, Doc Paul, looking forward to it.

Dr. Paul  3:43  
So you're like, you're like my hero, your your show. The high wire is the show I tried to emulate. And then of course, we've shared the stage multiple times, you're usually the closer, folks, if you've never had a chance to hear this man in person, you've got to make that opportunity. You're just so powerful. And when I speak with powerful individuals who are making such a huge difference in the world and putting putting their own lives really on the line. I wonder if we could get to know you a little bit. What is it in your background? Can you share a little bit about your childhood, your career that prepared you for what you're doing today?

Del Bigtree  4:24  
You know, every time I get a question like that, you know, you sort of look at your whole life from a view and say how far back to I go, you know, but, you know, my childhood I think is a very important part of this. And it's something I like to celebrate and I don't get to talk about it all the time. But, you know, my parents are, were what I would call very conscious parents. They were really really invested, especially my mother, in you know, raising us with a certain set of principles and ideals. Now my parents were both I would say hippies in the 1960s, they marched against the war. They're politically active people very outspoken, my father became a minister. And he oftentimes would cross the line I would say, growing up on church and state, it didn't matter to him. very opinionated, strong, powerful, brilliant speaker, my father, one of the best speakers I've ever seen. So I grew up around a great speaker. So that obviously has a great deal to do with it. I ran a show. I mean, when you're what people don't think about when you're a preacher's kid, is you're putting on a show every single week I was the sound guy from the time I could turn a couple of dials at six years old, I had to be in church every Sunday around 630 In the morning, and my dad at one point had three services with like 1000 people per service is a really big deal. In Boulder, Colorado, where we grew up. So the the speaking was there, the sort of putting on a show was a very big part of my life growing up from as long as I can remember. But the most important part of it, I think, really, it gets back to how I was raised. I've told this story before. But you know, it's sort of one that I think, really, I want people to hear it that are having children, because as you know, and your life and I'm so honored to get to talk to you your dedication to children, which is the future of humanity is always been so important, too. But, you know, I tell the story, because it's just a good example of the many crazy things my mom would do. But we were in public school I was in, I believe, was third or fourth grade at the time. And we went to a school that was about five blocks from where we lived. And my little sister, she was three years behind me. She was in like kindergarten or first grade. And we went walking off to school, one day, we would walk home for lunch. And we came home for lunch. And I remember my mom, you know, looked at me when it came to the door and she said Dell, what happened to the t shirt you were wearing when you left for school this morning, I had left in a T shirt, I'd made an art class, I remember we had done like a batik dye thing. We're used wax and dye. And I decided I was going to try and write letters and I pulled it off. And it said the flyers, which was the name of my gymnastics team, so I wore this shirt that I had made, but I came home without it on. And so when she said you know what happened to it, I said, Oh, you know, when it got to school, my best friend Craig's said it looks stupid. And so he lives right next door to school, I just went to his house and borrowed a shirt real quick. And I will never forget the look on my mother's face. And that look led to the last moment I ever stepped foot in a public school, or at least in elementary school, she pulled us out of school immediately. And she said to me, I am never going to raise kids that make decisions on what other people think you are going to be inspired by your own guidance, your own intuition, your own connection to God, no one stands between that in you, you are going to learn to question authority, you are the authority in your life. And so and she stood by that in I mean, just millions of examples I could give ultimately out there was the third or fourth grade I returned to school in 10th grade to go to high school. But you know, I was raised in I want to say that that is not an easy way to raise kids. And I'm attempting to sort of emulate that in many ways with my own children, which is questioning authority that, you know, don't just do something because you're told. And you know, by the way, when you're questioning authority, as a child, the only authority you know, is your parents. And so I don't come from this space, you know, children should be seen but not heard. Just do what you're told. I remember, you know, seeing an article about this a little bit. And someone in this article is really great reference. They said I was sitting on a plane, and there was a child on the plane, you know, and I heard the person sitting next to them after the plane ride was over. They said to the parents, what a beautiful child you have what a great job you've done parenting, I didn't even know they were there. And and the writer was saying can you imagine if you got a call from you know, your, your child's now an adult and from some business associate and say what a great job you did with your child. When they're at work. I never know they're there. I mean, that isn't that isn't the recipe for success is not the recipe for being a dynamic individual. And so I think we really have to look at how we raise our children. are we raising them to make it convenient for ourselves? Or are we raising dynamic individuals that can lead us to a better future? You know, there are people that hate me there are people that love me, but I am the product of parents that said there is nothing that is out outside of your grasp, and there is no one but yourself that stands in your way, speak your truth and be guided by that. And that's what puts me here.

Dr. Paul  10:09  
Yeah. So I want us to cover what's going on with ICANN, I want to cover some of the big things you've uncovered in your investigative journalism about COVID, last three years and all of that, but you are going along happily producing the Dr. Show and what caused you to change course and get into what you're doing now?

Del Bigtree  10:31  
Well, I mean, you know, like I said, and that's a whole beautiful and powerful story. But I ended up working on the CBS talks to the doctors, which was, there was an irony to it. Since I had really never been to a doctor in my life, I grew up with parents that were very much into, I would say, even beyond alternative health. My parents are in many ways, you know, mind over matter, spiritual healing concepts, things like that, you know. So to end up on a medical talk show was very unique and interesting. And my mom would call me and say, Why are you working on a medical talk show, you've never been to a doctor in your life. I said, Well, I'm good at telling stories. And that seems to have gotten me to this place. And actually, you know, a lot of the stories I'm doing there seven, you know, seven total producers. I'm one of the top rated producers. And I'm actually challenging in many ways, the stories, the medical establishment, and my story is that I'm fascinated by our acupuncture. You know, Cleveland Clinic is starting acupuncture instead of anesthesia or chiropractics. being used in a major hospital or less invasive techniques, or diet issues, or things we're discovering about drugs or drugs that have gone bad are chemicals. And so I sort of used that platform, I never really changed who I was, it wasn't like, stumbling on the vaccine issue changed my life. I was controversial, and that controversy inside of that space, challenging it, really the audience really responded to it. And then of course, I stumbled you know, I was actually an inside source brought me the story of Dr. William Thompson saying there's a whistleblower inside the CDC that saying they're committing scientific fraud and the vaccine safety studies. I was one of the few stories that you know, when I pitched it to my producers, they're like, we're not going near that you can't, we can't attack the CDC, their friend of the show, we're not going to go after mercs, MMR vaccine, which is what this story revolved around. They're a sponsor of ours. And so it just was, I couldn't go near it. And that's when I finally came to, you know, an intractability, if you will, where I had an ethical problem with a story I believed need to be told I wasn't being allowed to tell that story. And through an incredible set of what I would say are miracles and really running smack long, headlong into your destiny. I ended up being a part of making the documentary Vax from cover up to catastrophe about that whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson. And that changed my life forever. It continued to be, you know, one of the most interesting and vivid investigations anyone could ever imagine. And, you know, look journalists and what we do, and you know, investigations, that's what you're passionate about, you're looking for that big story, especially a story that everyone else is avoiding, or you're the only one with it. That's what backs represented. I remember saying the Andy Wakefield, you know, who is arguably, you know, probably more bold than either of us put together. One of the most controversial doctors of all times at first really dared to look at the connection between vaccines and autism. But I said to him, you know, look, I'm about to really put it all in line here. Just one thing, are we sure we're the only ones telling the story because I don't want competition here. I'm, I knew I was going to destroy my television career. I didn't know how this was going to turn out. But I just want to make sure we're the ones that are really on this story. And he said, as far as I no doubt everyone else is afraid of it. And that, you know, has continued to be the case until recently now, now you see Fox News talking about vaccine injury. Now you're seeing other Joe Rogan's and other you know, podcasts, which is great, I mean, that God I have competition now that God people are waking up to this issue. But it's been amazing man to have eight straight years of one of the most important investigations and stories of our time. And no competition in sight is definitely put us on the map and, and made it easy for people to know where to go. And that's what's happening with the high wire. We're exploding at the seams, trying to figure out, you know, how to catch up with staff to continue to deliver, not just I think one of the most important in one of the best produced news shows there is but to continue to be able to finance a growing legal battle. Through the law firm. They work with Aaron's theory, Aaron's theory and glim, stat Aaron's theory, I think will go down as one of the great constitutional attorneys of all times. But you know, we are literally fighting the government of the United States. Now we're winning lawsuits against the FDA, the CDC, National Institutes of Health, Health and Human Services, we're doing things that no one ever thought could be done, and we're succeeding at it. But the more you know, I think with you or anybody, the more you're successful, the more you realize it's possible. And so I'm still dwarfed and humbled by the size of the job ahead. And what I know could be possible if we could get more people involved, more funding involved.

Dr. Paul  15:51  
Absolutely. And I can where you are, you know, having your legal battles is a nonprofit that folks can donate to and you need funds to do these major battles, maybe share briefly, two or three of the top successes you've had in the legal world, because it feels like nothing changes sometimes until you get people in legal hot water.

Del Bigtree  16:13  
Yeah, so I mean, like I said, early on, when we got started, we went after the government, what we realized or you know, what everyone knew at that moment was you can't sue a vaccine manufacturer, really, because of the liability protections that came from the 1986 Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. For anyone that may be hearing that for the first time essentially, the industry, blackmailed Ronald Reagan said, we are losing so much money from death and injury lawsuit cases, against our vaccines, we cannot make a profit. Therefore, we're going to stop making all vaccines unless the government protects us from liability. You know, Ronald Reagan hated the idea, it's a terrible idea to give an industry especially one that is as dangerous as pharma is, that is, is got such an incredibly checkered history of putting out products that they know kill people thinking they can cover it up in the rare cases were able to prove they knew it, they pay out billions of dollars and move on. So to give this this group, this industry liability protection is insane. But then again, you had a president's like, I don't want to lose the vaccination program. I don't want to go into his down in history is the President to destroy the vaccine program. And so here we are. For the years that I got involved with this, every lawyer I would talk to say, Dell, there's no way to go near that issue. You their liability protected Aaron's theory in some really deep conversations and brainstorming with him. We came to conclusion, well, wait a minute, the government took on the liability. So the government is holding the liability. That means they're holding some of this internal information. Let's start suing them. So that's how it started. We've had a lot of success there. You can go back and watch all the shows over the years. I don't want to sort of it would take too long to lay out. But the idea was, Paul, that if we could win enough, which seemed like trivial lawsuits, just little issues that we were seeing, but what the government didn't see was, each one of those was an error we were putting in our quiver every time we would get them to admit that they never did the proper safety study on this. They never formed a task force that was designed to make vaccines safer since clearly, they were under so many lawsuits, there was a problem. They never, you know, went to Congress and explained how they were going to fix the program. So each one of these wins was a an arrow that we were putting in our quiver for a future we were building to. And now what people are watching through ICANN is what we are doing, and now we're weaponized. Now we're walking to civil cases into courtrooms. We're going into cases against laws like the minor consent for vaccination law that was passed in Washington, DC, where they said I think it was a 12 year old child could vaccinate themselves without parental approval. It was passed. It was a law we went in. And we brought all that we now have the CDC admitting to all that, you know, Health and Human Services admitted to in our lawsuits, we are now invincible. They're no longer able to say, well, it's safe and effective, really, because this is what you stated in court when we sued you. All of that has worked in our favor. So now we're winning really big lawsuits. We've also really developed a powerful relationship with the FDA and the CDC, because we've sued them multiple times because we keep winning, they now recognize they can't brush us off anymore. We don't go away. And one of the critical parts of this, it's only possible because of the audience that we have, and the sponsors that we have, because you have to realize, Paul, what the government was getting away with was they were waiting everybody out. Even if someone brought a lawsuit. They would just make it take forever, who's got a lawyer that's going to be able to stick it out. And all these cases that we're fighting, they don't have damages. They're not gonna pay government doesn't pay out money. We were just getting to admit that They'd either committed fraud in some way or hadn't done what they said they'd done or that they'd lied to the public. And so these cases cost, sometimes millions of dollars. But what we don't get that money back what having the support that we've had, and the worldwide support to allow us to stand there and say, We're not going away, we're not going away, you can try to wait, we are going to stay on you. What do you tell the world you're making us delay, you're gonna want to show them what's going on. It's the ability to stand and bring forward lawsuits that in the end, don't pay us with anything except the truth. That is what is made I can so unique is that this nonprofit became incredibly litigious, and is now having success. But none of that is possible without everyone out there watching that donates, and allows us to stand in the room when they know they're making expensive you by supporting us to say, don't step down. Dell, we're behind you. And so I think the big recent cases, obviously, we all heard, and this is one of the things with the cases we do is not just can we win the case. But will this case either set precedent for the entire country of the world? Or does it make a press moment where we can get people to wake up because of what's just happened in the courtroom? I think one of the big cases that showed that was when, you know, Aaron's theory went out and sued for the Pfizer data, the Pfizer trial data in the work that he did there. And the doctors, we brought in Peter McCullough. And a lot of them, they put their names in front of that, you know, we brought what support we could, but that case, the FDA was trying to hide the data that they use to approve the COVID vaccine for the world, essentially, for 75 years, really, it's so safe, you don't want anyone to see it for 75 years. That is a lawsuit that was won by Aaron's theory. And I think that that has affected scientists and thinking around the world right behind that we sued for the BSafe data that was a fully funded ICANN legal case, against the Wii safe data, the CDC had built an app to track all of the injuries from the COVID vaccine, at least in the people that signed up to this app, which ended up being about 10 million people. So remember, the trials of Pfizer Maderna only had 40,000 People in the one trial 30,000, which is still large, 30,000. The other one, this is the data of 10 million people, just like the FDA, the CDC was trying to hold this data back, hide it from the world, we fought in court for over a year, in fact, had to bring three separate lawsuits because of how they kept trying to whine their way out from under this. And we finally pin them to the wall and gotten to be safe data. And once we got it, we realize why they were hiding it from us. What we saw was essentially, I think one of the biggest, most shocking numbers was in this app where was basically, you know, did you seek medical help hospitalization after vaccinations, that number alone was, you know, somewhere in the around 800,000 Of the eight of the 10 million people, meaning I think it's roughly 7.7% of those that signed up to this app got the vaccine. That means, you know, 7%, seven out of 100, sought hospitalization and medical care from that product. That is That means it's one of the worst. It's certainly, you know, on record one of the worst pharmaceutical products to ever hit the market. And it's not last and most people will probably watch your show. We're seeing people dropping dead. We're seeing athletes dropping on the field, we're seeing the blood clots, we're seeing the myocarditis, but because of I can, we now have evidence from inside the CDC. So when they tried to say by the way, they tried to say that their be safe data was showing us that the injury rate was about one to 3%. And so when we got it, what we realized was they were limiting their search to the first week of data that was coming in, and what they didn't tell us only in the first week after the vaccinations, up to 3% are being injured. But your data was being collected over months when you took the totality totality of that it hits 7.7% This is all what we're we're you know, we're the CDC, the FDA is worst nightmare, because we're showing the people what is really happening in there. Those are all really big cases.

Dr. Paul  24:27  
Yeah, huge. So we're gonna get the childhood immunization act of 1986 repealed because that might solve a lot of problems.

Del Bigtree  24:35  
You know, you're right on what I think is the most important issue of our time. And frankly, you know, I didn't you know, I haven't set out to make vaccines my, you know, my only life mission and when we sit around, I'm not trying to build a nonprofit that lasts forever. I don't care I'm not UNICEF, you know, we have a mission we are trying to get to the truth and We're trying to really ultimately get to the point, Paul, where everyone has a choice. That's it. It's free country, I want freedom. I want the the United States of America to be that beacon of light and hope and liberty and freedom that represents to the world. And when we have a mandated product, like we just saw Joe Biden, I can't enter a place of commerce or a market or do my job or into my church or going to a grocery store without you forcing an untested product upon me, we have real problems now that has to be fixed. And so I think, you know, your your, you got your finger right on the button, if we can, you know, get rid of the 1986 Act, or certainly amend it so that you are not protected, the industry is no longer protected from, you know, liability from these products that they're making. I think I can walk away at that moment, because the truth is, is this market will rectify itself, we would never see the COVID vaccine, the vaccine manufacturers made that statement AstraZeneca was really critical. Belgium was trying to stop liability protection, they were not going to protect you, the executive for AstraZeneca said, if you don't you won't get our vaccine because we cannot be held responsible for an injury that appears four years down the road. Because our trials were too short to detect that they said it right there. They know it. So we want to really just fix this system, we just got to get back to what America does best. Let people make their choices, let advertisers advertise. Let the government even say, you know, we really believe in this product, but keep from enforcing it on me and made sure that whoever made this product is liable. And you will watch this vaccine program change overnight, they would not continue with many of these vaccines, because what they know are the actual health outcomes that are taking place. There's too many injuries going on and adjust does not justify the advancement they say that they've made. So a big order for all of us. And this is something we all need to continue this conversation with our elected representatives. It's not going to happen overnight. It's not going to happen overnight. But I do believe the culture around this conversation is shifting as we speak and COVID as catastrophic as it has been, has been a real wake up call for our politicians. If you're watching these Senate hearings that are taking place, you can see finally the right questions are being asked about the COVID vaccine. We want to continue and we are continue to pressure those, those those leaders and those doctors that are stepping out to now look at the issues that you've uncovered with the childhood vaccines. And ultimately, we will never be saved from an experimental product like we just saw with COVID being forced on us if there's liability protection. So we've all got to work at this, I do see that that is going to come down in the relatively near future for as long as I've been here the eight years that I've been in this conversation I've been feeling it's going to take less than that for the world to wake up in America wake up to this is a terrible way to do business. We can indemnify an industry that knowingly lies to us all the time and pays out billions of dollars for the deaths they've caused with their other products. This product is no different. And by the way, their argument used to be well we don't make money from vaccines. Therefore, that's what puts us into a deficit in most of these manufacturing companies. Now Pfizer Merck Sanofi event is their, you know, their number one, two or top of their three products, our vaccines, this COVID vaccine has made 10s of billions of dollars for Pfizer 10s of billions of dollars for Maderna AstraZeneca. So I will say this, if what you're saying is true, that the injury from the vaccine is one in a million, I think the 10s of billions you just got we'll be able to cover that one in a million issue that you say is out there. Go ahead stand behind your product.

Dr. Paul  28:52  
Exactly. So you've said that this last three years has been the greatest crisis, the biggest story in history, and that hasn't been covered. I feel like there's still a lot of censorship going on, we have to go to the high wire to get the truth, to get the real information. And unfortunately, still a large segment of our population is asleep and listening to the news as if it's fact when they just say almost the opposite. I mean, where did this virus come from?

Del Bigtree  29:20  
From the very beginning, we have been stating, you know, the science is never settled in many ways. And until we get direct evidence of certain things, then the question must always remain open. And when it came to lab origin, we were the first one of the first ones to ever actually state that to discuss, you know, fair and cleavage sites, what looked like inserts into this virus that didn't seem to be natural, at least the opinion of many scientists we know now we are getting the details that scientists that we're we're actually speaking to Fauci and working for Fauci, we're saying exactly the same thing. Now that we have internal emails showing that We always I mean, come on. And just in some ways, you know, I think the way I was raised to question authority, and to also just be a critical thinker, when you have a virus that breaks out, and you have they say it's in a wet market, but the wall right next, that wet market is a laboratory that is, you know, experimented with Corona viruses. And you say, We're gonna totally write off the fact that it came out of that lab and just focus on the wet market. That just didn't make sense. It didn't make sense. And in some ways, as soon as I see a real, you know, concerted attempt to shut down a story, I'm wired to look even harder at that spot. Now the world's looking at it and most scientists would agree. Most of the science really, the reigning theories now as it came from the Wuhan lab, incredible statements by former CDC had Redfield Robert Redfield saying just amazing statements that he always believed that were, that's where it came from, will we ever fully prove it? You know, they did a really good job of covering it up at the moment, you would have had to get in that lab. I mean, this is what's so disturbing. And why I am working hard to have Tony Fauci and Francis Collins, head of NIH, arrested and put in jail. This is something that potentially did kill innocent people. And, and to think that our government agents that were in charge of looking out for America put together a basically a fake team of investigators that were all a part of the investment into the Wuhan lab, sent basically the people they needed to go and cover up their own tracks to say we investigated and there's no there there. And now we know there was a there there, and every decent scientist is admitting that we that is I mean, if that's not treason, if putting your entire nation and your civilians in harm's way to cover up your financing interaction with a laboratory that was making exactly the type of virus that is affected those, you know, around the world. This isn't over. And luckily, I'm not the only one saying it anymore. And it's too bad. CNN and MSNBC aren't covering it. But we're watching senators now asking all those exact questions. And I'm talking about Massie and Rand Paul and Senator Ron Johnson, and, you know, many others. So, this is this is a fascinating, fascinating time to be alive. It's horrific for those who are in harm's way. But truly, all of this to me makes Nixon and the Watergate scandal, all of what we're watching right now unfold. before our eyes, were watching a president that hid a family issue in his son's laptop using the CIA to do that, using the FBI speed, you know, referencing in newspapers 250 of you know, America's, you know, best investigators say they are calling us for Russia hoax, all of these things that are being uncovered. I don't ever remember seeing corruptions at this level. And finally, some investigations are starting to take place.

Dr. Paul  33:17  
Yeah, absolutely. You know, what scares me as a pediatrician, I'm retired, but my background was pediatrician for 35 years, somehow, and we've watched them do this. We know how a lot of corruption as you mentioned, they got this jab this COVID gene therapy product approved for the childhood vaccine schedule.

Del Bigtree  33:39  
What do you say to that? I say it's criminal. It's criminal, and the death of every child that's caused by that should be on the hands of Rochelle walensky, you know, Tony Fauci, everyone involved in this, the FDA, and certainly everybody in the Virbac committee that you know, was was sort of pushing this ahead, and everybody in the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, they will not be forgotten. This will go down in history as one of the greatest scientific and justices and catastrophes of all times. were reporting, you know, on our show, Germany is now starting to really admit the truth their health Minister has come forward and is now stating Officially, the COVID vaccine injuries are real. He's admitting to it being at least one in 10,000. He's upset that they're not paying it out correctly. He feels bad for all of those that are hurt. Sure. He's still saying, you know, I stand by what he said. But we now have I think our first representation of basically the Tony Fauci of Germany, a first world nation that has, you know, the same athletes that we do now admitting to the injuries that are being caused this, this house of cards is crashing down all around them, and there are going to be a lot of individuals and scientists that knew better Are there we're staring in the face of charts inside of the CDC showing the rates of myocarditis. And the studies we were looking at in Israel, knowing this was swallowing the hearts of children, knowing it was causing blood clots, thrombocytopenia, and still approving it for children who have a death risk with COVID. of living, it is point 000 3%. Okay, that is a zero folks. So for zero risk, they are giving a known risky vaccine, it is the first time in history, I can say unequivocally, that the science tells us the vaccine is riskier than the virus itself. And now it's been forced by government agencies, this will not stand, I do believe in why I'm so focused on this issue. There's no issue like it, this is the tip of the spear. When we think about cleaning up our government, when we think about, you know, you know, cleaning out the swamp. This is the issue that does it, because this is the one that affects every single individual in this country. And frankly, around the world, we are all told we had to be a part of this process. And now we're seeing that these people will lie, cheat, steal and push dangerous products upon us without any, you know, form of ethics involved. And so this is where if we penetrate through this space, I believe it outs, all the problems we have in modern society, all the buyout of our media and our major news stations, all the buyout of our government and the lobbyists and the money that's purchasing, not only our politicians that are being elected, but those we don't elect when we think about those that are taking over positions at the CDC at the FDA, at the EPA, I think you've heard about it, you know, I mean, I've heard Robert Kennedy Jr. is considering running for president, there is a man that knows where the bodies are buried. There's a man who has been literally fighting these regulatory agencies his whole life, I can't imagine anything more unbelievable and fantastic, then to imagine a moment where if he decides to do something like that, it comes to fruition. That is how you fix your government. I'm not anti government. I'm not anti regulatory agencies. But I am for regulatory agencies that protect the citizens of this nation, not the corporations of this nation. And that's what we have. Now we have a government for the corporation by the corporation, we need to return it to a government for the people and by the people. And the vaccine issue is what can deliver that to the people that are waking up and mass. And by the way, let's forget about those that are sort of brainwashed by the mainstream news, we can focus on those that haven't, you know, woken up yet. Let's focus on how many did 30% of America didn't touch this vaccine. Another 50% Probably didn't want it, but only took it under duress. And now somewhere around 10% are going along with the CDC recommendation to get their next booster meeting 90% of those that once believed in this, this government believed in the CDC and bleeding this product are now stepping away from it. This is the time we all have to use our voices. And it is our time to march into Washington, DC to march into our state capitals and demand change immediately.

Dr. Paul  38:23  
Yeah, your State of the Union Dell. Wow. As like, Okay, everybody needs to watch this. You know, I usually wrap up an interview with you know, what do people need to know, and I think you pretty much covered it in your State of the Union. I don't know if you want to touch on a few points of, you know, what I think people need to know.

Del Bigtree  38:46  
Well, I think I've touched on those pains. This points in a little more detail here with you today. But this is something we started doing, I think was last year, this is our second State of the Union, we decided that there really should be a medical State of the Union, you know, because the health of our society demand, you know, drives the economics of this the society drives, you know, the power of our society, and to leave the health outcomes and what is going on and what is not going on, on the floor doesn't make any sense. And so we've been stating our State of the Union from our perspective, from my Khans perspective that you can find in the high wire.com. I did lay it out. But essentially just what we said we had the government, the United States push a product that never made it through proper safety trials. They bailed out of those safety trials early. They forced this product onto innocent people saying you know, threatening their job taking away their jobs, take you our ability to travel, our abilities to go into hospitals and get I'm still getting people calling me saying they kick in an organ transplant because they can't get a vaccine that those hospitals those doctors should be arrested immediately. We now know the COVID vaccine doesn't even work. Everyone knows it doesn't stop transmit machine does nothing to prevent anybody, the only thing that it can do is cause swelling in your heart. So it's amazing that a heart transplant can't be done until you get a product that could swell your heart. It's amazing that you can't, you know, go in for all these other issues, whether it's liver, all these things, when we know that's where we're finding the spike proteins, and the vaccine is delivering to your soft tissue places your organs. This is insanity. And, you know, I guess, in some ways, as horrific as it is, this is what it was going to take for us to wake up to wake up to the fact that unfortunately, medicine is no longer on our side, the Hippocratic Oath is dead, the you know, you know, do no harm to your patient, to deny your patient a transplant, because they're not getting an ineffective vaccine is doing harm, again, as a part of the whole revival and what I believe is going to happen, that bright future, it's only going to happen if we stand for our truth, we stand for our power, each individual, America was designed for the power of the individual, we are not a communist system, it is not the power of the group of us, we are powerful because of our individuality. And I think at grip and said it best for those people that believe in collectivism, or want to move into some socialism space, all you do is take away incentive. But if you put the individual in charge, and you put the onus and the power into the individual, the individual very quickly learns, I can't do this by myself, that my community is what makes me powerful. And then the nature of what makes us connected comes through our individual power, not from being robbed from it. That's basically what I tried to get across in our state of the union. And it's what we're going to work towards is the empowerment of the greatness of individuals who I personally believe, are endowed with rights by God created in the image and likeness of God. That is what our Constitution protects, doesn't protect our government from us, it protects us from our government. And it's time for us to use that power again. And as I've said it before, we've got to put our government back on the leash, they're trying to put us on a leash. No, no, they are the dogs. We are the leaders, they're back on the leash, we need to put them where they deserve to be.

Dr. Paul  42:17  
Amen, brother, we're gonna wrap up today's show with a new segment, we want to put kids first and I'm gonna have DD Hoover, my partner and kids first forever, chat with you a little bit about what parents need to know. I know you're a parent, so this should be fun. Hi, Dell,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  42:33  
big tree. I just wanted to say, thanks. Thank you for being my first official putting kids first interview. So the first question I want to ask you is what was it? What's it like around your house?

Del Bigtree  42:47  
Well, I mean, you know, what's it like, my house is chaos, okay, everybody's house is chaos. Maybe it's, you know, we're all very busy people on a very busy person, I haven't, you know, and I would say that the the, you know, the beauty of what's happening in my house is really more to do with the fact that I have just a spectacular partner in my wife, Lee, who is really there for our kids, as I am fighting for the children of the world. I am one of those individuals that is incredibly dedicated to the work that I do. Most people that have been watching me see that I travel a lot. And so you know, it is really there's a lot of pressure being left on my wife to make sure that my kids find the balance that they need. And when I'm around, you know, I obviously am, you know, really dedicated to my kids. We just had a brilliant Spring Break together and got the family all up skiing together, which was great. But like I said before, in some ways, it's beautifully chaotic, because in my house, as I had stated to Doug Paul earlier, my kids are allowed to state their opinion, they're allowed to, to push back if I give them a rule and the rule in my house, and because you know what I do? And the work that I do really does. You say that, you know, question authority, you're allowed to question authority. And in fact, we sort of look at everything as a legal case. I said to my kids, you're allowed to make a legal case, you know, when I'm telling you to do something, or whatever. And so sometimes there's that pushback, and I hear it out. And on occasion, they make a really good point. And they win the argument. It's funny, my sister was visiting recently, my sister that doesn't have children and my I was having this interaction, my son was really kicking back all these different points. And my sister literally jumped in said, Well, you just do what your father told you to do. And I said, Whoa, no, no, that's not your position. Thanks for stepping in here. But he's actually exercising the right that we allow in this household. I said he's in the middle of making an argument which he's allowed to make. It's not a very good one at the moment but and you know, he'll find out why, but this is what we do here. So there's there's interaction. There's Conflict in my house, I want it to be that way. I don't want some sterile environment that my kids walk out in the world are shocked that the world is not bending over and making it all easy for them. You know, I realized in the way that I was raised, that part of my job as a parent is not only to be nurturing, but to also be that entity that creates a natural environment where there's pushback from your world, you're allowed to make your arguments are going to point out where you haven't made the proper argument. And when you do things wrong, there are consequences to doing those things. But my kids love me. They're fantastic. They're spectacular. They play their instruments and practice their music, because they enjoy it not because I'm forcing them. They're great in sports. They're doing really well in school. And so we have a chaotic and beautifully natural household. Well I look at and there are parameters, it doesn't go on forever, you know, I tell my kids bring your best case, bring your best case forward. I'm not going to sit through, you know, a bunch of free trials, you get one trial, what's your case? Okay, I'm overruling that you're gonna do what I said. And use law. And

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  46:10  
that's why I ask you that question is I think it's important to have parents see and other people see because I'm, you know, I'll hear people when they come in, I have a picture of you up in my office. And I mostly do that to TL Dr. Paul. But my best my best public images you? Well, I have these moms come in, and they're like, Oh, my God, have you met him? He's so great. And I said, Yeah. And I said, what I've seen, though, is that, that soft side to you, and when you're speaking, whether it's this interview or anything, there's this Dell big tree that comes through. And I think it's important for people to know that you probably do go some of through some of the parent issues and traumas and things that everybody does. But people don't think you do Dell, they think that your chair world's like this perfect thing. And I think that's what's important is us putting our kids first is so critical. You're putting the world's kids first, you're putting our children's future first. And I can see your children and years from now, like how you talked about how your parents raising you. I hear them saying the same thing. What do you think if, say, I interview your children one day, what do you think your kids are going to say about you as a father right now?

Del Bigtree  47:20  
My son has done for a while. But a few years ago, like in the middle of all this, he would say the great Dell big tree, you know, is sort of a funny thing. But who do you know, I can't speak for them. They're individuals as like anyone else. You're trying to figure out what's going on in their head, I can tell you what I hope they report about, you know, their life. And it's what I report about my parents, my parents weren't perfect. They weren't always fully stable when we were having the arguments. And neither was I mean, there are moments and, you know, it's a natural environment, but so is the world, you know what I mean? But I will say that what I want to instill upon my children is that, you know, live life passionately. Do what you love. I mean, that's what my father really said to me. You know, he said, you know, we have a lot of people in this world, there's a lot of competition for everything that's out there, it's not going to be easy to be successful at anything you want to do. So what I would say is this, do what you love to do. And because that's the only thing that you will do enough woodshedding enough practice enough work at to actually make it don't put yourself in a situation where you're compromised yourself on a daily basis, where you hate what you're doing, because you think you Oh, you know, some model of fatherhood or parenthood or family hood, you know, we should take advantage of this incredible life, moment and time that we have. And I think that for my kids, no matter how long I'm here, I hope that they reflect and say what we know about our father, as he spoke His truth. He was uncompromising with the things that he cared about. And he was passionate, and he woke up early in the morning, every day, really jazzed to be alive, even on the days where he was screaming and yelling, and clearly something wasn't going right. He was passionate about it. I hope that they see that because that's all that I can be is an example for them. In the end, it doesn't matter how much I teach them, what they really the more teaching than the words we say is what they're observing and watching. And I think they've they've been able to watch my success. Most of my success in my life has happened in the last, you know, a really short period of time. So my son and my daughter, they're part of that experience. And so I hope they live passionate, heartfelt, intuitive lives.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  49:56  
Well, and they certainly will if they're gonna follow in your footsteps. So next one And this is I think the most important thing I want to get to is, what do you say, to the dad to the parents out there? Like just an Oregon with the mandates to play sports and things. So when I talked to some of these parents who got the COVID job for their children, they said, Well, I had to, they had to get it because they had to play sports. Or even worse, well, my child wanted to get it their kid, their friends, were all getting it. What can you say to those parents?

Del Bigtree  50:31  
Well, I don't really know what to say to the parents that have already made that choice. I don't want to put people down for the choices they've made, you can't undo what's been done. So for them, I pray for you. I hope that that choice works out for you. But for people that find themselves in situations like that, I was speaking recently, and someone in the audience, there was a sort of a q&a. And they said, You know, I almost had, you know, I was almost forced to get the vaccine by my job, but then they right, you know, it all sort of changed right at the last minute. And I said, you weren't almost forced to get the vaccine by your job, you were almost given a good opportunity to leave your job. There's nothing that makes us take anything. And what I, what I really am concerned about, and I in this people that I know, I think deep down, they feel like they know that there's a problem with it. They know there's a potential injury, but somehow by telling themselves, I had no choice, you know, that they will feel okay, if their child ends up being injured by it. And I can tell you, I have interviewed 1000s of vaccine injured children, there is nothing that you will ever be able to say to yourself that alleviates the guilt that you feel because you do recognize that it's a choice. One of the most important things we have got to recognize is that, you know, we are not in Nazi Germany, all over this country. Some states are worse than others, some cities, some school districts, it's time to move, it's time to move to a different job. It's time to move to a different school, it's time to stand and pick it outside of that school with your child and show your child with civil disobedience and standing up for your rights means all of that, yes, that's what you do. What you do not do is injure yourself, or put yourself at risk to kowtow to an unjust system. If we do that we will be China by tomorrow, we will be Russia. By tomorrow, we will be North Korea by tomorrow. That is not the lesson, we should be teaching our kids. And God forbid we learn the lesson from what happens to our kids. And so I would say move. I've a very close friend, who only had one child of five children that was having real difficulty in school really starting to have issues with how they saw themselves. And he picked up his you know, his work, his wife's work, they picked up their whole family and moved to a totally different state to a different school district. putting at risk, obviously the other four kids all to make sure that that one child had every opportunity to make it all okay, and it's worked out hasn't been easy, but they made it work. That is what parenting is parenting is caring enough that you do what is necessary. If your child's a great athlete, find an athletic school that is going to allow them into it.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  53:32  
Exactly. And same with colleges. And thanks for saying that. Because that's the whole point of me interviewing you is how important it is to put our kids first. I have that mother's guilt from not knowing what I know now years ago. So now Yeah, I can stand my ground. But that's the thing is talking to other parents. And when they hear that I think that's important to know is that it may not be easy, but to say that somebody else coerce you or somebody else forced you, this is your baby, this is your child and no matter what age they are, they may not know better, but in order to put your kids first you have to stand your ground. So thank you. So I left

Del Bigtree  54:07  
I left California for exactly that reason. I risked it all. I mean, I you know, we had high wire was successful. We were in California in the middle of Hollywood. I started realizing when I was getting calls from people in California, saying my child fell out of a tree or whatever broke their arm, were at a hospital they're now saying that they have to get a T dat vaccine in order to be released to me. Now it's come out that I haven't vaccinate or haven't gotten all the vaccines are calling Child Protective Services. I would send lawyers into those situations or whatever it took and was able to intervene many of those times. But I said to my wife, honey, this is a this is not an environment for us to raise our kids in any longer. And partly because I was traveling all over the country. I'm not saying everyone should run. Definitely for all those people standing and fighting in California. People like AMI bond at parku. I'm working directly with just an amazing warrior, and others like them, I can't name them all. But I'm glad they're they're fighting. It is the frontline. But I wasn't able to fight, you know, in those specific battles. And if my child ever end up in a hospital where they're calling, and his last name or her last news, big tree, it just was getting too risky. So I left, I moved to Texas, and I told my team, by the way, you don't have to follow me, I am telling you, it's getting too bad in California for me, and I've got to do what's right for my family, I will figure out how to make it work. We'll maybe do this over the internet. I don't know. Luckily for me, moat, you know, almost all of my executives, all the major team decided at that time to make that same move. So we were lucky. But I didn't wait to hear if they would make that move to make that decision. I had to act on what was right for me and my family. And as what we did,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  55:56  
right and put it again, putting your kids first. And I know that parents are again, they'll hear this and those parents who get wrapped up in what everybody's saying and well, this and well, that but and I have always wondered that too. What were the ages of your children at that time? I'm curious on that, because I kind of lost the timeline with it.

Del Bigtree  56:14  
That would have been roughly four years ago, which puts my son at about, you know, five years old and my daughter at five or six? No, no, I'm sorry, my son at 11. And my daughter at five or six? Yeah. So

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  56:30  
I think that's important. People ask Dr. Paul and I both that same question. Why are you staying in Oregon when it is like it is we've had so many families that have moved because they put their children first. And for me if I had a child, that the age of your kids, I would be out of here. But yes, I think it's important that people stand and fight. But don't you think people can stay in fight and in do so from what from this strong doing what's best for your kids state? You don't? If you're gonna stay, you don't have to agree to do what other people say.

Del Bigtree  56:59  
Yeah, and look, I want to be really careful that what I don't like doing is I'm not here to tell anybody what they should do. What I will say is what we all have to learn to do, is to really sit down and get quiet and put all the chatter out there all the fears and concerns about job and finance and what the news is saying, what we have to get clear on and look to our intuition to say what in my and I this is where I, you know, really carry my spiritual practice. And I don't mean to force that on anybody, but I really try to sit with God and ask God, what am I supposed to do here. And if the if the message to me was stay in California, I would have stayed in California and made that work. My message was, it's time to leave. That's all any of us can do. You've got to really sit down your guidance, make sure that you're in alignment with your you know, your spiritual life, your intuition, not with your fear, not with your fear of what's going to happen, your job, not your fear of what happens in your house. Fear is not the place from which we make our decisions. We've got to make our decisions from power. And so for everybody out there, these are incredibly, incredibly complicated times, I would never say that there's a singular way that you need to deal with this. But I will say, learn to get quiet, learn to shut out everything else. And just really get down to the essence of who you are, what you stand for in your family, and make your decisions from your place of power, not your place of fear and weakness.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  58:28  
Exactly. And on that note, that I think is the piece of what our kids first ever program is the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. And no matter what that spiritual pieces for you, like you mentioned, it's not about forcing anything, I think for people to hear from you and hear, just hear that personal note. That's why That's what's so important to us is we need to know that even though you're out there and you're fighting, you still have this home that you come home to, and you're raising your children that way because you love them and you care about them. And thank God that God told you what to do, and to get out of there because you're doing some incredible things still, and it does make a difference to these families. They do listen to you, I hear it all the time. And whenever we're speaking with you, I always tease down the one that just pounds at it and it gets out there. And it reminds me that that I can fight loud too. I tend to be I work with babies all day long. And I work with parents who are having all these emotional mental struggles about what to do what's best for their kids. So that's why this is really important. And thank you for your time. You mean a lot to a lot of people.

Del Bigtree  59:33  
Thank you, man. You know, as you said that, you know, again, I always just want to make sure I'm giving as clear message as I possibly can. You know, yes, I am very outspoken. But there are places where I would not be outspoken and I want to be careful to say when I hear parents that find themselves in a difficult situation is in a hospital because they stated that you know what we don't take vaccines that I do not believe that is where you read really got to use some intuition, right? Is this the time and the place with my child in the hands? They're not in my hands are in the hands of this system? What do I need to say right now, that stands in my truth, but doesn't compromise the situation that can get out of my control. So, you know, we really have to, you know, work with with with guidance and be smart about the decisions we make. And I've said this before, I've been outspoken, I believe everybody needs to speak their truth, when it's important when it's necessary. But you also have to ask yourself, Is this the time? Is this the place? Is this what I'm supposed to do here now, and listen to that guidance. Because there are times there are really scary moments out there. They're very dark individuals, we're misguided individuals, that can really put us in harm's way. So, you know, I'm not saying yell from the mountaintops, every thought that you have, whenever you can. And then again, because you say people think that because that's what they see of me on the show. You know, being brave, being bold on stages, there are still moments in situations where I quietly move through because this is not the time or the place for this conversation.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  1:01:15  
Right? And isn't, don't you think those are the keys to communication to is to meet people where they are, listen, hear their story, it isn't always about yelling at someone else. Because if you yell at them, they just put up this wall of fear. And that's why I think that leading with love, and you see that I'm not telling everyone, you get out there and yell all the time. But I think that's the important thing, and especially in a hospital, and we've seen so many situations, and you've helped so many people who have had their backs against the wall. What do you want to say to the other fathers out there? And the other parents out there? What do you want to say from your heart?

Del Bigtree  1:01:51  
I want to say from my heart that I think this is a very hope filled time. It is time to be hopeful. That is where I gather my strength. I wouldn't do what I do if I believed that somehow we lose or we're not protected. I want us all to stop wasting a lot of energy. You know, we all do it. Right? They I can't believe how stupid they are. I can't believe they fell for it. I can't believe they're still lying to me on the news. And we're focusing on the negative, right? We're living in a glass is half empty position. I am kind of an eternal optimist. So I want to share that. Look at the beauty of what's happening around us. Look how many people are waking up, look how many difficult conversations are now being made easier. With us, with our relatives with our friends, they're coming around to saying, you know, when you first started talking about this, I thought you were crazy. Now I want a little more information. We've got to believe we you know, we've got to believe we have power. We've got to believe that the world is ours, that the future is bright. Because I truly believe that we do not believe what we see. We see what we believe. And whatever we are stating is our belief is how the world is reacting to us. Stand in your truth. Stand in your power. Live in your love, see the best of what's happening around you. And you will be an empowered individual and people will be shifted and changed by that and that shift and change is how we change our world.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  1:03:29  
You got it again. Thank you so much. Thank you