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​Dr. Paul  0:16  
Dr. Paul, welcome to with the wind science revealed. Today's show, I get to interview three moms, Amy, Holly and Kristen, who are the founders of the just think podcast. They're going to share how they've come together work together to figure out what's going on in our world. They're working hard to bring the conversations and solutions about how we raise our kids standing for health freedom. With their just think podcast, I've been on the show. You're gonna love these three ladies. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. My topic today is pruning, like pruning an orchard a fruit tree. I had a parent recently asked me to explain neurological pruning, they had a child who was struggling with some neurological developmental issues. And as you think about pruning a tree is an example you cut off some branches and twigs that are getting in the way of that tree bearing the best fruit it possibly can. Well with brain synapses, and folks, we have over 100 trillion connections of these brain neurons, right? The cells that are doing all the connections that are neurologically important to us, that is 12 zeros, that is 1000 billion connections. And in fact, one year olds have I've read 10 times more than adults do. So starting at age one, something very important happens. And that's pruning, when you remove those connections that are perhaps in the way, it allows the brain to function more appropriately. I got to thinking about pruning in our own lives in my own life. You know, we all face failure, rejections, loneliness, lack of support even. And I know when I was going through my most difficult time, many of you know the story, the board just yanks my license, I'm a danger to public health. And at that low moment, eventually, with some help some coaching, I highly recommend it. If you're in a struggling situation, I had an aha moment. I needed to do some pruning in my own life, in order to excel and succeed in the purpose that you're here for. Sometimes it takes that job of just cutting out some things that are in your way that are preventing you from reaching your ultimate potential. So I'm grateful for the opportunity for pruning. You know, in life, pain is inevitable. But suffering is optional. And so we can choose during those moments that are difficult to see the struggle is an opportunity for growth. And join me if you like this concept, in pruning away those things that may be holding you back.

Welcome Kristin, Amy and Holly to with the wind science revealed. Ever since I was on your just think podcast, I have wanted to have you three on our show. So thank you for joining me.

Just Think Podcast  3:28  
Thank you for having

tastic. So

Dr. Paul Thomas  3:33  
I just know you three as moms, but I would love for our audience to get to know you each, each of you a little bit. So maybe one at a time. You can kind of introduce yourselves and what what in your lives led you to create just think podcast and be on this journey the way you are. Do you girls want to go? First you go for it, you start out? Hey, it was it was sort of my idea. So I'll start but none of this happens without these two. We three are just so grateful to have each other first of all, as friends. We met through our businesses. So we actually do work together. But we found at as moms as citizens as women, in 2020, we were just thinking, and we came from across the political spectrum. If you've ever listened to our show, you hear that in the intro. We were raised that way. But we had all gotten to a place in our lives where we didn't care about the tribalism of partisan politics. We didn't we wanted to know the truth. We didn't believe we were getting the truth. I think people would now say What are you conspiracy theorists? Right, that's the that's the demonization of bankers. Now, if you if you question anything, you're now a conspiracy theorist and an idiot. Well, we were three idiots. Not really. We were three people who said something doesn't add up. And it really if you look back, it didn't take much for anyone to have that thought.

Just Think Podcast  5:00  
But as long as you are willing to open your minds and wonder, what isn't adding up here. So we had, we were having these conversations through text threads. We were Kristen especially was posting stuff in her story than social media account, and she got shadow banned. And I'll let them tell that part of the story. And for literally sharing things like Anthony Fauci talking, okay, it was not it was like, Well, this was on the news, and I reshard it now I'm getting banned. That's weird, right? And so. So I said, Well, then why don't we have a podcast so that we can stop having these conversations, and in a space where we're being censored anyway. And we can bring nuance and context to the conversations, because sometimes you just make a blanket statement, you get all the, you know, our viewers come out. And we said, well, now we can not just have these conversations, but we can have the conversations, and share our resources. And if we share our resources, if you want to argue this, that's fine, but you better go look at our resources first, to find something that contradicts it. And we were believers that science is never settled. And we thought, you know, we were raised, when was it Jupiter? I don't know who was given or which one was,

what it was a planet than a moon that a planet. And so we were like, well, things do change. We change our minds about things, we learn more, and we decide to see something a little differently. So. So that was that part of the conversation, we thought, let's bring this part of the conversation to anybody who's willing to listen, especially during a time where people need an early treatment, and where that seem to be censored as well. And I will add, because Dr. Thomas, you are one of my longtime heroes never knew that.

I had a vaccine injured nephew, and I had had some personal experiences where I just thought something seems weird when I found that in 1986, that they made it to where you couldn't sue vaccine companies for injury, and that we went from like 10 to 12 vaccines to like not what 72 on the schedule. Like I had thoughts. I had thoughts. I didn't know everything, but I had thoughts of like something seems wrong here. So we thought why don't we just be willing to have uncomfortable conversations that people don't agree with that they might not, you know, that are considered controversial, shouldn't be let's normalize. And so that's how just they began. And I'm going to turn it over to Kristin, because she was the resident nurse who knew how to read peer reviewed literature, which we never thought we'd be doing. Okay, Christian. Awesome. Well, honestly, I had never read so many pieces of literature until the past couple of years. And you know, Amy and I, we were both we had like these gut feelings with our kids. And honestly, even with vaccines, you know, this really didn't start off with that. But that was, in hindsight, I remember that was always like, a gut feeling. I had questions and Holly was, like, dripping some information, you know, and we trusted her, but I always look, you know, you've talked about this, even as a doctor and as a nurse, that's just one of those things. You just don't question. You know, you go in and it's safe. It's, it's fine. That's what you do. And if you did question, I didn't have enough like, confidence in myself and enough knowledge for me to back up my gut feeling, you know, I'm just a mom with a gut feeling like what am I going to do? I knew I couldn't take it back. You know, all of these things. So I remember having those thoughts already. So then, during the whole past few years, when COVID All the pandemic started everything, they started talking about the masks, and then I knew that's not what we do. I knew masks were not meant to protect healthy people. Like you don't do that. I mean, I've been spit on vomited on, peed on pooped on, and I didn't even have a mask on. Okay, because you don't know when that craps gone flat, literally. Okay. And it just didn't make sense. And then when you see doctors, you know, on the steps of the werewolf at the White House, to the board, you know, talking about early treatment, and then they get censored, or like shadow banned the videos. I'm like, wait a minute, this is weird. Why would we not be like finding out what they're doing. And I truly, I've never been a fan of like anything rushing, especially for something that's gonna be going in my body, and you can't take it out. So when they were rushing the vaccine, and we already knew not many people, were gonna be able to get it right away. We needed to know how to treat people if they got it before the vaccine was available anyway, that's when I started learning about early treatment, then I post something about it, and I get shadow banned. And if you don't know what that is, that means that like, basically, are on our social media doctors, they decide that the actual factual information is not factual and they have nothing to back it up even though you do, but then they don't let anybody see it, because they're worried about hesitancy which all we're doing is giving you fully informed consent. And so all of this just it really, you know, we started thinking even more and it's we had a lot of WTF moments and we

wanted a place where we could talk about it. And we were nervous like we you don't want to alienate people. There's been so much hate and division and why is medicine and science politicized now, I hate politics. I hate it. I mean, I was the head in the sand, and I kind of wish I still was there. But it's like, once you know, you can unknown. And a lot of the things I was learning, I couldn't not share. I, for me to put my head down on my pillow at night, I had to say something because this is truly about helping as many people as we can. And that's truly what we're doing. We're not just saying that's what we're doing, like what other people are saying, and they're not having any actions. And so, we've provided a platform and honestly, it just like it exploded. And I mean, we're so beyond grateful. I mean, truly, it's, it's a God thing. It's a I mean, it's a universe. It's a God of Everything, like we are meant to be where we are, and this platform. Thank goodness. And we're so thankful to have you. I know Holly has talked about you. We were so thankful to have you and we're so excited to be on with you right now. It's like full circle.

Dr. Paul  11:03  
Yes. Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker  11:06  
All right. Okay, so this is Amy, and I just, you know, thanks to Holly, for nudging us all in this direction to start this podcast, you know, because there were many conversations before we decided to like pull the trigger and do this. But I never saw myself being here. And honestly, like, we probably started out being much more controversial in 2020. When do we start 2021 Then now and 2023, because I feel like people are coming around. And people are realizing that all the things that we've been saying, since the start of our podcast, you know, are actually true. You know, the conspiracy theorists were bad the 1000 parents, but I, I was raised more on the left. Growing up, I hated politics. As soon as I, you know, grew up and went to college, that I was done with the political talk. I never knew in my life, that medicine, race, anything was was political. You know, I just had my views. And I didn't realize that that made me on a side. And that's what I started seeing over 2020, you know, with a lot of the different things that were happening is that like, if I, you know, we saw the doctors talking about, hey, there's early treatment, you know, where we want to help people. And that gets censored. And if I believe that that's something worth sharing that I'm like, an extreme right wing, lunatic Trump supporting like, and I'm like, wait a minute, why, like these are this is just common sense. So that was really eye opening to me too. And I feel like I'm coming at it from a perspective of, you know, being on raised in a more on a more different side of politics. And now all of a sudden, I'm finding myself landing way over here, just because of just the truth, what I believe to be true, it was just it's very strange, but I've never not trusted. I've never had like, major distrust in the government, major distrust in our medical institutions. Until now. So I didn't come into this with those already. Those biases, I've really felt like, oh, well, you know, everybody's doing the best for everybody. Like everybody wants pharmacists trying to help and medicine hospitals want to help us and, you know, the CDC, FDA, you know, they're they're all doing what they need to do to help all of us. And I had no skepticism. So that is one of the main things that changed for me over starting this podcast in 2020, and COVID. And that's one of the silver linings of COVID. You know, from all the stuff that we went through and how bad it was, it opens so many eyes, including my own. And so I love to learn. I'm a a an avid learner, I love to just learn new things. And so that just sent me on this deep dive of just learning more about how the world works. And what's really true. And, you know, we, at the beginning of COVID, we were we were scared, not scared, but we were we were doing what we were told, yeah, like, Okay, well, let's all stay home. We're going to we're going to court was it 15 days to flatten the curve? Yeah, we did our 1515 then we were we were really like we live a mile from each other. We're together all the time. I have three kids. She has three kids, cousins. I'm talking about Kristin, but um, we didn't even see each other. Like, we're like, No, I can't see you. You know, I mean, we were in it. But the more time that went on, and the more we started to like wake up from that, and just use our brains like with a masking and just the longer it went on, the more we became skeptical and luckily that skepticism led us to just have more conversations, more conversations up until you know, here we are with a podcast that's thriving and successful because it's not just us that you know, that is they're looking for this information that are thirsty for the truth.

Dr. Paul  14:54  
So yeah, I am so excited to have you three on to think that you No, being moms, I mean, your regular other job isn't in the medical field, is it? No, no. So you just you became aware that something's not right here. And if things don't seem to add up, that should be a clue, right? We need to investigate. And I think what I've noticed happening, still too slow, which is why I'm so glad you guys have your podcast. And I want people to go and visit you and tune in because you do such a great job of dealing with complex, controversial information. But when it comes to vaccines, the traditional role that you all three probably played or might have played, and I'll have you speak to this is, you know, you go in with some concerns. And then you're just slammed by the doctor who knows best. And oh, all the literature data, that's just it's one in a million risk, blah, blah, blah, right. And you don't have probably in the beginning, the science background to counteract that. But I bet you guys can speak to this, that you now are so well informed. You can even pull references or point to References, where there's no doctor in the land that's gonna convince you to do what you don't want to do. Because you, you back yourself. Your thoughts and feelings about it are not whimsical, they're science based. It's the real science, right? Yep.

Unknown Speaker  16:25  
Yeah. Like a long time ago, can we all did vaccinate our children? are vaccinated, like

Just Think Podcast  16:33  
kicking ourselves, you know, but I specifically remember sitting in that parking lot. And it was 2020. Right? Because it was kindergarten because not supposed to have his well visit. Well, but it will actually was supposed to be his visit for you know, for kindergarten and the shots. Yeah. And thankfully, the silver lining, I had actually done my research. And I remember calling Amy, I'm like, Alright, I'm prepared. I had all my notes. I'm like, gonna ask her about this when asked me because I'm like, I'm going into it asking questions. And she couldn't answer my questions. And she even said, I said, Do you have any other resources besides this one sheet, you know, the only the sheet that they want want you to see, right? And I said, and I'm not just looking at bloggers, I said, I'm looking at studies. And she said anything, but I said anything but the CDC and she was like, Well, I can tell you what our doctor tells everybody or I can have them call you. I was like, let's do that. And I remember her saying she never did. And the doctor never called me, by the way. But I remember her saying that. If we refuse that the parents have to sign something, or they ask the parents to sign a you know, something like taking responsibility if something happened, and I said, Oh, do y'all sound something? Like if something happened to match out and there's a vaccine injury? She was like, No. And then she just kind of giggled. I was like, well, that answered my question. I just said, I'm gonna decline at this time, until I get more information and hear from y'all and I have not heard back from them.

Unknown Speaker  17:58  
And I was able to do the same thing. And my daughter's because we have our kids are the same age at that her kindergarten, well check for her shots. And it was a different doctor, we get the same practice, but a different doctor. And I was like, you know, I know she's did she was due for like, just boosters, at that point, like a booster of MMR a booster of I can't remember probably varicella, polio. Yeah. So I said, Can you just tell me like, What is the risk and benefit? Like, what, how? What are the risks of these diseases to her? And what's the benefit of not getting the shot, and I just the one thing that sticks out is that she said, Well, you know, I mean, rubella. If she if she were to get rubella, that can be really, really devastating if she were pregnant to her fetus. And I said, well, she's five. So I don't really necessarily worried about that at that at this moment. And so we kept on and she she gave me some more risk benefit. But I said, she's like, if you want, I'll just send you some more, I can email you and everything. And I said, Yeah, that'd be great. Never heard never got an email anymore. So that was it.

Dr. Paul Thomas  19:04  
I think that that's the thing, Dr. Thomas, and with all due respect to you, because I know you understand exactly what I'm going to say. Because you're humble enough to acknowledge this reality. That the moment you realize that the doctors that we have, unfairly even at times put on pedestals and expected them to play God in our own lives and given them the autonomy over our own health. The moment you realize that's a huge mistake, and they don't know everything, then you're free. You're free to think for yourself and have the two conversations Chris and Namie just talked about, which is can I question you? Can I get a second opinion? We've always been told if a doctor doesn't let you get a second opinion. He's not a doctor. Well, why can't you be the other opinion? Right and doctors made fun of Googlers right and and I understand that coming from a accounting profession, you know where you go to study for the CPA. You know, if, if the average Joe comes and tries to tell you, you know how to do his taxes, you might be like, Dude, I don't think you understand, like, I understand that these doctors have put all this time into their education, and practicing medicine that they, it's a bit offensive, I understand. But what we need to change in our society is doctors have to humble themselves and recognize they don't know what they don't know. And the patients have to realize that you aren't your best advocate, and you better do some Googling, and you better do some research so that you do know, because all three of us, we don't have time to tell those stories today. But we all three experienced times when honestly, I shouldn't be here. If the doctors had not if I had not insisted I had DVT in pregnancy, and it went undiagnosed with three different hospital visits. It was my husband insisting that they figure out what was wrong with me that saved my life. And then beyond that, they they screwed up my medicine, like there were so so many errors. I shouldn't be here, my firstborn shouldn't be here either. And I just share that to say it was an advocacy for ourselves and fighting for ourselves that we're well. And then also the way we healed ourselves was not modern medicine, either. We stayed chronically ill on traditional medicines. Now, everyone has their own stories, but these are ours. And it is the impetus behind just think we had to just think for ourselves. We had to just learn for ourselves. And it saved us and it's made us healthier human beings. And we're here to share that information and help point people in the right directions. So they can do that for themselves because the system has to change. The system is very broken, in my opinion.

Dr. Paul  21:45  
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, having come from the system. You know, I went to Dartmouth board certified pediatrician and I spoke the lingo that you hear these days still 99% of pediatricians 90% of doctors actually don't know what they don't know. That's that's the scary thing. They really do think that vaccines are safe and effective. I mean, the people like Fauci and the you know, oh, you could say Peter Hotez. And you know, all these guys who are the spokes they know, they they they certainly know your run of the mill pediatrician doesn't so they actually believe what they're telling people. And that's really dangerous, right? Because because you can speak it with this conviction, but it's not based on good science at all. Right based on junk. So the next phase from going from being a parent or mom or a dad who's ill prepared to face that kind of overconfident Doctor Who knows quote best is you come prepared as you three clearly are now prepared. What do you see as your mission with the just think podcast?

Dr. Paul Thomas  22:57  
Holly? Like they I think I've become the spokesperson for them sometimes because it's funny I

Just Think Podcast  23:05  
joke because we need like Holly in our pocket. She says all the things that are just sounds like verbal diarrhea, and she just puts it all wrapped it in a little bow. Tons get.

Dr. Paul Thomas  23:17  
Our mission is to challenge our listeners to just think for themselves, to do their own research to make up their own minds to resist tribalistic thinking that says, well, since I aligned with this group on this topic, I must align with them all topics to break the divide that we see in the United States that is tribalistic thinking that requires Americans to abdicate thinking for themselves and, and to bring the truth with evidence to our podcasts. And we're waiting for someone to come prove us wrong. Dr. Thomas and I don't mean that arrogantly, I mean that we spend so much time trying to make sure we're right there. When we put something out there we wait for someone to say no, girls, you got it all wrong. And knock on wood. It hasn't happened yet. But that is that's the mission is that we know people need this information. It's not on the mainstream. It should be it's not. We're not owned by anyone, Chris and Amy and I don't get paid by anyone to talk about this. In fact, we lose time and sleep by doing it. But But we believe it is a mission. Just like we believe it's a calling. Yeah, right.

Dr. Paul  24:26  
So so each of you can answer this if you wish. What prepared you for this? This is not typical for moms who just decide no, something needs to be done here. And then and then you do it so so you all have an incredible skill set. Obviously. What in your lives prepared you for this?

Just Think Podcast  24:49  
Oh, I think even just being a mom. I mean because I think what this has done is like bra the mama bear out. I think that it makes you think more. I started questioning so much more even when I had a baby because it's one to one thing when you're making decisions for yourself, but then when you're making decisions for another human being, that's honestly, when I really started thinking even more, you know, that's really when I started listening more to my gut. And really, when I started doing more research, you know, you research the heck out of, you know, your cribs, and your car seats and all this stuff, why not research something that you're injecting into your child? Or why not research these decisions that the school boards are making for your children and what they're learning? So there's just been so much that and I think that we've become more, you know, as you get older, you know, how to set boundaries, and you know, how to not care as much what other people think. And I'm not saying, Look, I'm a pleaser, like, I want everybody to be happy. And you know, I don't want to burn any bridges. I don't, you know, I want, I don't I've lost friends over this, but then I'm like, okay, are they really my friend, I mean, so you start, you're weeding people out, putting them out, not my fault. They choose that, and that's okay. But that's on them. That's not on me. But that's can't make me change who I am. So I think I've become more confident. And just, if this is my belief, and our intention, when your intention is to help somebody else, and your intention is for others, and people, they have to know that when they hear from us, we are not ever here to instill fear. Or we're here to purely empower people with knowledge and confidence. And I think that just I think just as we get older and wiser, and I'm not wise by any means, but you know, don't you think like life experiences and just mom and

Unknown Speaker  26:33  
I think having each other, I think having, you know, at least one other person that shares your beliefs, or that sees what you see. Because when you can bounce thoughts off of like, do you think this is weird? Like, why is this and you can have conversations with people that get you and get your concerns and get your skepticisms? And, and kind of see what you see, it gives you more confidence than to know that you're not the only one. Yes, and there are so many people that message us, you know, through the podcast saying, Gosh, thank you, I thought I was the only one I thought I was crazy. I feel like I've been on an island. And we reassure people all the time, that you are not alone. There are so many people that are having these thoughts, but they may not have the network around them, you know, their families may not believe what see what they see or believe what they believe they're friends. And so they do feel alone. So just finding a like minded group of people, somehow, some way that that is so empowering, to get you to really feel more convicted to to feel confident to speak out and speak up when you know that there's somebody like, who has your back

Just Think Podcast  27:43  
and the way you and the way you find those people is by us speaking up. Like you'd be surprised so many people are so scared to say something, or so scared to say what they believe or what they just read or what they thought or you know, the stories that they're viewing. They're so scared, but I guarantee you, you're gonna have more people say that they agree with you or that they have experienced the same thing, then the people who are going to be haters. Yeah. So that is one thing that has really helped us, like literally just taking that first step or that to having that first tough conversation.

Dr. Paul Thomas  28:16  
And never how scared we were when we first started. Like it was like, timber, you know, we didn't even want to say like Donald Trump's name in the past, because we were like, it's gonna make people go, you know, like, we were so scared in a way and we have evolved in that way. But I I know what it is. It's what they're saying. The more we normalize, saying things that weren't popular, or that we knew could be polarizing. And when I say say things, it's not like we were out preaching a message here, we were saying, can we talk about abortion? Can we talk about vaccines? Can we talk about ivermectin, these buzzwords that like no one wants to talk about because they were terrified if they gave their actual opinion, canceled culture would come calling. And we considered that Dr. Thomas, and I'm sure it because you've been a part of that. You know what that feels like? We're like, well, we could get cancelled. And then we thought, well, we're cancelled together. You know what, and will die on that hill, like we actually are willing, like, I hope we don't have to be so believe in what we found. We so believe that children are injured every day by vaccine program that is literally based on grades are great in lies, greed, lies and cover up. And if you don't know that, by now listener, go do some research. Because all it takes is a few little things that you can know that in 1986, they did make it to where you couldn't sue them anymore. And the minute they were not responsible for what they did to your kid, they just whipped that program straight up into the stratosphere. And our kids have never been sicker. Our kids have never had more ADHD, autism, cancers, autoimmune disease, and just know During those little things, I didn't have to know every scientific study. I didn't have to know anything other than something isn't right. And so we will always the three of us are like, if this is the hill way down, and we get canceled forever, we have helped another mom or another dad just think for themselves and feel empowered to make those decisions for themselves, then we've done our job.

Dr. Paul  30:24  
Yeah. Powerful. So you were all vaccinating your kids. So you can't be called anti vaxxers

Just Think Podcast  30:34  
former backs or

Dr. Paul  30:35  
Vaxxer? But I bet you've been called anti vaxxers. I'm sure I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they'll they'll use those derogatory terms. So you know, they just added the COVID jab to the childhood immunization schedule, right. You saw that? Oh, yeah. We knew that was coming. Because the ACI P the CDC branch that makes the recommendations approved that unanimously back last October or something like that, which was insane. There's no safety data? Well, there's lots of data that shows it's very unsafe, but nothing showing that it's safe. And it's still experimental, but they just approved it, it is the most insane thing. What you all are thinkers, what, what do you say to other parents who maybe aren't thinking yet? Because it's all about your right. It's about getting people to think,

Unknown Speaker  31:30  
Oh, I almost feel like, this is a crazy blessing in disguise. It's going to backfire so hard. Because I think most parents at this point, I mean, maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like most parents are like, whoa, when it comes to vaccinating their children with the COVID vaccine. So when they see how it doesn't matter, like it doesn't matter, they steamrolled it through, they're not looking at any of the you know, the lack of evidence, the lack of efficacy, they're not looking at any of it. They're like, Nope, it's on the schedule. So I feel like maybe just making the fact that parents can now see, they've been a little skeptical of this vaccine. However, these agencies just put it on the schedule anyway. Done. Like they might be like, Huh, well, if they did it for that one, like, well, you know, I just feel like it might even crack some people open, don't ya?

Just Think Podcast  32:23  
Oh, yeah. And I want you to think about this. Here's where like, one of my friends in the beginning where we also have a bigger text thread to that she said, You know, it's hard not to sound defensive. When somebody comes back at you, and you're trying to defend with the knowledge and sit studies are like, You got this, you got this. But come back with a question. And if you ask somebody to make them think like, that's where the questions are, what makes you think, ask somebody or ask the doctor, how many kids have died from COVID. This year? I looked that up for North Carolina in 2022, all of 2022. And I'm pretty sure that was all or whenever I've had this November is this the my notes 000 deaths, ages zero to 17, in North Carolina for 2022. And that is on the CDC website, you can look up monthly data or yearly data. And they are approving this for a deadly disease for kids who aren't dying from it. And I'm not saying please don't say that I did you know that no kid has died from this. But they've even done big studies with this, that it's a lot of comorbidities, it's the really sick and immunocompromised kids that are dying, and it's from the complications and and it's probably and then you're like, did they get early treatment? What were they doing beforehand? You know, these are always the questions that I was asking for anyway,

Unknown Speaker  33:53  
I think the proof is in the percentages. I mean, there is a very small percentage of people that are vaccinating their children with this vaccine, right? That's true to whatever a small so that's why I'm thinking most parents

Just Think Podcast  34:04  
are like, this may be their line.

Unknown Speaker  34:06  
This is their line. They're figuring it out. They're like, Huh, no, we don't think this is you know, you just look at the percentages. And then when they see that they approved it anyway and they're putting it on the schedule, then that's what I'm hoping that people will be like Well, that's weird and they've

Just Think Podcast  34:19  
got to realize the corruption of pharma if you are seeing it and if you're not I'm like wake up

Unknown Speaker  34:24  
yeah, you can make the die you can help those people

Dr. Paul Thomas  34:29  
then you just Yeah, well it's the other thing is for any parent listening if you think well it's to protect the grandmother is to protect No no, it does not. This is acknowledged now by every one does not prevent transmission. So if the thought is let's vaccinate the kids to protect the teachers, you know, that was the original thing. Let's start so that we don't have school breakouts, never had a school breakout, right. Let's vaccinate the kids perfect teachers. Let's vaccinate the kids pregnant and then calling us grandma killers. Well, we didn't get the vaccine. Well, that was never substantiated in science and they knew it. Pfizer knew it back before this thing rolled out. And we now know that thanks to the really brave people at places like the daily cloud, who are going through their documents, and seeing that they actually did not know. And I think that's another thing we saw to Dr. Thomas. Pfizer tested this on children when they weren't supposed to be that news broke last week. They were testing on children they weren't supposed to be and then they had adverse reactions and Christen, wasn't it like a high percentage of adverse reactions in those kids like it was frightening. So again, just think, get informed and just think and there, we cannot come up with one reason. Any child can't even come up with a reason to vaccinate an adult at this point. But if that's up to you, but a child, Absolutely not. Absolutely. It points to the corruption and the lies and the absolutely lack of science, they are not following the science. If the sciences Anthony Fauci yes, they're following a liar, and a cheater, if you ask me, but I, but like somebody, I will never understand his mentality, I will never understand it. But if that's who you're following that, yeah, I get it. But that's not the science.

Just Think Podcast  36:15  
They sure don't show us any science.

Dr. Paul  36:16  
Yeah, you all, you all covered the FISA data in your recent show. And for viewers who may not know this, they were trying to get that data covered up for 75 years before they had to release it. What kind of criminal organization is Pfizer? If they're going to try to hide the data? Obviously, they knew what was in it. Right? What were some of the biggest surprises or findings that have already been brought out of? Now we have access to that data? It sounds like you you interviewed a team? That's been looking at it?

Just Think Podcast  36:48  
Wow, look, I even remember if y'all look up Pfizer, the is the post marketing authorization data 5.3 point six. I already know all this. That was just literally from December 2020 through February 28 2021. So when we say they knew, they knew, and they were like 1293 deaths and deaths in two months, three months?

Dr. Paul  37:12  
Or excuse me, in the trial, the people who got the vaccines in

Just Think Podcast  37:15  
the post market, yes. Right, like within three months of rollout. And then one thing that they are looking at daily clout there another great place to go to the holly just referenced them daily clout die. Um, it's like 3500, doctors, lawyers, nurses, pharmacists, all kinds of people coming through the Pfizer documents. And they did find they found with strokes, that I think it was 50% had a stroke within 48 hours. I mean, you can't say something causes it, but that's enough of a signal or a warning to have some investigation to halt what is going on. There are so many things and then as far as the pregnancy data, the bait the kids like it's it's horrible. You go look at it. It's right there. It's like hiding in plain sight. Yeah. Well,

Unknown Speaker  38:05  
Amy, Kathy was on our shows. She's the CEO of daily clout. And so she she heads up the team that's looking through the documents. And in her words, she said one of the most shocking things is just the assault on reproductive function. Male and female. So

Dr. Paul  38:20  
I know it's infertility. It's lost pregnancies, right?

Just Think Podcast  38:24  
Yes. Oh, yeah. And a lot of bring it up when they're skewing the data, you know, saying that, you know, they gave the the it was the whole miscarriage and the fetal death like that. That was in the I think the New England Journal of Medicine. Was that what it was to remember that Dr. Thomas or Holly, you remember that years ago? It was years ago, it really was years ago, like two years ago when they were coming out. But they acted like it was like the same percentage of miscarriages, but it really was, like 80 80% or more. But it's because they weren't even given the vaccine to the women until in their third trimester and not counting the ones in the first trimester. Anyway, it was,

Dr. Paul  39:03  
I remember what you're talking about.

Dr. Paul Thomas  39:04  
Yeah. I mean, we've learned they can manipulate the data, right? I mean, we when we started reading peer reviewed science, because you know, one of the things we realized just when we were talking to some doctors and nurses, they're very reticent, if their eyes haven't been open to the full scope of everything, and they're reticent to accept it, because everything about it, and in their defense, every system and thing they've ever been told to trust has now been brought to light as not trustworthy. And so it's got to be difficult with that kind of that mental inability to recognize the truth because it's terrified you if you have to write

Dr. Paul  39:40  
that cognitive dissonance. It just doesn't even make sense. It's like how do I've trusted my whole career to give me the best data? The best right? Is correct. It's like, it's, well, if you look at their mission statement, it's all about the vaccine program. It's not about health. unwellness. So, anyway, I want you guys to be able to get out what you feel is most important. Each one of you. I know in your show you've covered. We talked about the Pfizer data you've had Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, you've talked about our education system, Steve Kirsch and so many other amazing guests. But touch on each of you What one thing do you want to just highlight for people who are listening to this show? That you feel they just really need to pay attention to?

Unknown Speaker  40:34  
Oh, man, well, I know that for I think all three of us will agree that once we can get past this COVID stuff, you know, we started this podcast, and it was we pretty much just like COVID, part one, and part two, more about

Just Think Podcast  40:46  
COVID. We're like, we're gonna stop talking about this, we're trying to

Unknown Speaker  40:51  
get away from COVID, we promise. But we see I mean, I just want to speak to what I think we all see our long term mission as is to really kind of help people to build this parallel system. Because like Holly said earlier, the old system is broken, are established, you know, all the agencies that we thought we could trust is broken, the hospital system's broken. So we want it, we can't rebuild the old we need to create the new. So I think that's what we want to be a part of is we want to be a part of pointing people to resources, learning more about health and wellness in general staying well, prevention, you know, what was that thing that we posted the other day about? My goal is to make my body be Yes, I just placed Actually, yes, really good. Something about my goal is to make sure that what is

Just Think Podcast  41:42  
it says get this one right here, get your body to a level where pharma companies can't profit off of it. Yeah, it's so great that I

Unknown Speaker  41:49  
think that is our like, that's our gold standard in our mission and just kind of what we want to, to really drive home to everyone and just focus on is kind of being being bulletproof, when it comes to pharma and help build this new system that needs to be built and help people learn how to stay well and be well without needing the traditional system anymore.

Just Think Podcast  42:13  
And not to be scared, like not to have the fear. I think it's more even empowering. We've talked about we've already mentioned this, but with can you get confidence when with competence, you know, so you need the knowledge. You don't have to know everything, but I think that's what people hesitate. And that's what helped what hurt me for a while because I didn't have it's like a new something. But once I started learning more and more, even when I had that conversation with the doctor about my son, I still was nervous. You know, I still didn't I wasn't 100%. Now I'm 100%. I'm ready to bring it. But I still feel like I would still like Yeah, who knows how I would react. But um, I think that the most important thing is to try to have this conversation. anybody listening? If you haven't had the tough conversations, if you haven't asked the questions, if you haven't let people know how you feel. If you felt something different before, and now you're waking up to it, it is okay, and really encouraged for you to say something because people are gonna listen to you more than anybody else. When you when you admit and you can own up to like, Hey, I made a mistake. I trusted this before. I think if you can challenge yourself to like, be empowered, we want to empower people with with knowledge and to have those conversations and to just speak up. Because it's not about you. It's about everybody else too.

Unknown Speaker  43:35  
Well, one thing that highlight real quick before you go and one thing that you always say that I love is you say just just say Did you know, like if you can pick one fact, just one thing for if you listened to any of our episodes, or something that sticks out to you, you don't have to go into a conversation explaining it all. Just like Did you know that in 1986, you know, vaccine manufacturers or were, you know, removed from all liability. And then that plants a seed, and then you can we have resources and say just send him our resources. And yeah, you can look yeah, look at it themselves. You don't have to continue. Like it's not a debate. But just as simple. Did you know, we can help people do that?

Dr. Paul Thomas  44:14  
Right. And there are there are three systems that we really, we want to dismantle. And we want to they're already falling apart. So I think we just have to build new ones. Right. So the first thing the medical system, as Amy said, all of it, insurance, hospitals, doctors, all of it. The second part, I would say, you know, we education, education system, it's a disaster. I saw a statistic that like, oh gosh, it was over 50% Or maybe it was between 40 and 60%. Let's say that it's a big number of American children that can't read. They're just not even at reading level and this was happening before the pandemic. We can't blame the pandemic on all of it. But education system is important because that's where people learn to think. And that's where people learn how to not blindly follow after people to Where we turn into Nazi Germany? Or Communist China, right? It's the ability to critically think is so vital. And so, yes.

Dr. Paul  45:10  
Do you think our education system is teaching our kids how to think

Dr. Paul Thomas  45:13  
now? It's it's the grow up what I just said, like it's vomit back, can you

Dr. Paul  45:19  
know, how have you three gotten around that?

Dr. Paul Thomas  45:24  
We, we, first of all, I had my kids in a school, that's classical education. So they were learning. They were learning to padega. They were, they were learning Greek philosophers. They were learning critical thinking from kindergarten, literally. So I was very blessed that I got I was on two that pretty soon, Kristen and Amy did pull their kids out of the traditional school setting. And

Unknown Speaker  45:46  
they are back our youngest are in private school with the classical education, there is a chance that they will be heading back into public school are my older two boys are back in public school. But I think what it boils down to to get around it to for us is like my husband says, you know, we're just gonna have to screw their heads back on every night, you know, comes down to learning on Learn, learn and unlearn that and I'm already seeing it in my son like he's with the civics and the things that he's bringing home. Like, he's recognizing that he can't just believe that because we were like, no, because we give him the other side of the coin that he's not maybe hearing in school. And so I think it just it if you do have to put your kids in public school, because sometimes that's just, that's just what you have to do. You know, I mean, people can afford private they, they can't homeschool. And, you know, your kids really mess up. In my case, my boys really wanted to go to the all their friends or their the sports, everything they wanted to be in public school. So at that point, then it just becomes really important for you as the parents to screw their heads on back every night and make sure that they are grounded in what's really true.

Just Think Podcast  46:52  
Well, and also, if anything we've learned to is local voting your school board, like I always thought truly, admittedly. And regrettably, like, I always thought I just needed to vote for the president vice president. You know, I do not know any, really, because I hate it. Literally, y'all. When I say I hate politics, I hate politics, because everybody always argues nobody ever wins. Nobody ever changes anybody's mind. I'm like, It's pointless. But what we have realized, I mean, we are one of the few places that flip their school board this year. Yeah, that's important. So if you want to look at education, I'm not saying that's gonna be the answer to everything. I do think that's going to help with the issues that we were having within our school system. But it is just don't let them just hear what the teacher says. And then just not think

Dr. Paul Thomas  47:39  
that's, that's the third system that was so of course, I named it. The third system is the government the the the idea, the way our government was set up should work. But if it's not enforced, it doesn't matter. And we've and we've made government so big, especially at the federal level, that it that's what's created so many issues, you know, if you can't govern at the local level, because you're having to deal with someone in Washington, DC, Washington, DC says like that, that's a problem for a country as big as ours. And so we have got to take back our gun. Because I know that sounds like I hear it, I hear it. I feel like I'm straight out of like the JFK novel, like, like, but I mean, it's true. It's true. If you don't believe that, where's the accountability anymore? Have you seen anyone, literally anyone, be held accountable for lying to you? I mean, have you seen anyone be held accountable for for grief or getting paid for being able to sell, sell, sell stocks and buy and trade stocks, with insider knowledge? Martha Stewart went to jail, like I don't understand, where's the city more? And so if we the people don't take back our country, we're screwed. And I think that's the third piece. And we don't have the answers. But I think what the three of us would advocate for is conversation and ideas and roundtable in ways that we can get rid of the the, the huge Democrat Party in the huge Republican Party in the way that it literally is picking candidates at this ranking party and bring in people who actually want to serve, serve their constituents and it will honorable way.

Dr. Paul  49:17  
Fantastic. So what do you tell a parent who says they can't homeschool? But they're going to have to vaccinate to put their kid in school?

I want them mama bear to come out now.

Dr. Paul Thomas  49:34  
Or go cheap doing it. Do you understand? They will as long as they can take from you they will? Do you understand that? As long as they can control you, they will and this is control. This is not a republic or a democracy when you are forced to inject your child with something you fundamentally don't feel good about. absolutely disagree with. And so for those parents, I lovingly say, I understand this is such a complicated thing. But if we don't start saying no in masses, our kids are going to stay sick and injured. And I'm not exaggerating. I want to say,

Just Think Podcast  50:19  
if you're going to force that, I want you to stand right here, like a legal document that you're responsible for anything that happens to my child from this forced vaccination, that you have no evidence to show me that it's safe and effective. That's what I wanted to say, thank goodness, I was not working in the ER, when all this happened, I'd already come home. So but if had I been I think about it. So often, I was like, who I would have been fired? Or I would have probably been the one starting these petitions, you know, I do feel like I can be a voice for people on the inside, because I don't want to worry about losing my job or losing my license. But when you do you have to get to the point where you got to say it, and you got to say no,

Unknown Speaker  50:59  
you got it research your exemption laws, because I was one of those people. I was like, Well, I have to because my kids have to go to school. I mean, I was ignorant. We all came from a place where we didn't know and most moms don't until you know, better you do better. So then you realize, well, no, I didn't have to. I mean, unless there's a few states right there, like there's no workaround. But in state because

Just Think Podcast  51:21  
there are states that you don't have religious exemption or medical exemptions, right. Take that out, or Thomas, like

Dr. Paul  51:28  
you have to move or homeschool. I mean, you're in those few states, and the rest of your states and National Vaccine Information Center in viic.org. I think it is, has a map, just click on your state and it tells you what your exemption options are. Okay, you each get a chance for a final word or a final sentence. I've so enjoyed having you all on the show. But you know, and I want people to go to the just think podcasts, remind me how people get to your podcast.

Unknown Speaker  52:00  
We're on Apple, and Spotify. We're also a rumble. So we upload a lot of our we upload our podcasts, we do it via zoom, because Kristen and I live in the same city. But Holly is in a different city. So we have to record via zoom. So all of our podcasts are also recorded. So if you'd like to watch instead of just listen, you can go to rumble. So Apple Spotify rumble, we're also on Instagram, Twitter, all this social media channels Facebook.

Dr. Paul  52:29  
Okay, so it's just this think is what you search? Yep. All right, last words for each of you. And we'll we'll wrap it up.

Dr. Paul Thomas  52:37  
I'll just say that Dr. Thomas, you've long been a hero for me, because you just said what you knew. And I want to just encourage all of our listeners that you can be heroes too. You don't have to be a doctor. You don't have to be a podcaster you can just be a human who cares enough to tell the truth and cares enough to say what you know. And it's just like the girl said, just ask people did you know and leave it there, let them let them look for themselves. This is not about telling people how to think it's teaching them to think right. And just everybody let's just choose to be heroes and speak out. It's time we have to now. Yeah. So probably always

Just Think Podcast  53:13  
says don't depend on us. Don't depend on on, you know, Dr. Thomas. And you know, just think the podcast Dr. Cole, Dr. Thorpe, Dr. McCulloh, they're great, but people are gonna get sick of hearing from us people gonna get sick here and there. It's gonna it takes the normal, common average, everyday person who starts speaking up, we've always said like the shave shop people when the sharp people talk, people, people, you're allowed mouths all the time. So just have the courage to do that. And always, you know, I love that have courage and be kind. But that's truly that's what this is about. You're being kind. We're spreading love. We're really trying to help people and that once again, it's your intention.

Unknown Speaker  53:54  
And I say just be open to questioning question every thing that you've ever thought, just be open to it. You know why? Think about why do you believe what you believe? Why do you believe it? Do you believe it just because somebody told you? Or do you believe it because you truly know it? And I think when you just kind of step back and say okay, well why do I think this? Do I really why do I believe this? Prove yourself right? And in that process, you might prove yourself wrong.

Just Think Podcast  54:20  
Most of my stuff has been coming because she will tell me something I'm gonna gonna prove her wrong. But then I'm like, Oh, my God again. But that's where you find the answers though.

Dr. Paul  54:31  
Fantastic. So Kristin, Amy, Holly, the just think podcast team. Thank you for being on with the wind. You are shining lights for our world and you are a real resource and a gift to those who maybe can't listen to a Dr. Paul or McCullough. I mean, we're just too out there. Right. And you're you guys are regular hero moms. So keep doing what you're doing. Thank you for being on the show. Thanks so much. Thank you Do I look forward to running together with the wind at our backs? Revealing the science that gives clarity in our world that's full of propaganda and misinformation. Visit our website, doctors and science.com Sign up. Donate if you can. Your support makes a difference. And let's make this the weekly show the world has been waiting for. Thanks for watching. I'm Dr. Paul.