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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. I'm Dr. Paul. Today I interview Steve Kirsch. He is the founder of COVID-19 early treatment Fund and the executive director of the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation. We do a deep dive into COVID vaccine safety data. This man has it at his fingertips, and the many effects and side effects that are being reported. At the end I asked him for his informed conclusion. Now mind you, here's a guy who took two two of these COVID vaccines. He woke up as he started to see everything that unfolding and then did the work himself to go and get the data. His recommendation, don't get the vaccines. You're gonna want to watch it. It's powerful. And Bernadette ends with this ACI P vote that caused the CDC to put this on the childhood schedule. The effect of this coming February, she's going to tell you how you figure this out, state by state. Enjoy the show.

Dark power coming to you from the heart. Talking about heroes today. And this is a topic that I struggle with. I get called a hero when I'm talking with my patients I'm always being thanked thank you for all this and that. I don't feel like a hero. I just feel like I'm doing what you should do in the situation I find myself placed in. I think heroes are firefighters running into a burning building and pulling people out. It's a dead jumping over a fence to pull a kid out of a pool who had drowned or was drowning in their neighbor. It's teachers getting in front of their students in a mass shooting. It's parents who are dealing daily with vaccine injured children, and they bring stuff to me and they show me their struggle. Those are my heroes. I choose to stand with those parents, anybody who's suffering a vaccine injury themselves. And we're gonna work on this together because together, we can make progress and we desperately need it. We're all heroes as we fight for the truth. We fight for what's right, and we stand in the gap so our kids don't continue to be harmed. Thanks for watching. I'm Dr. Paul.

welcome Steve Kirsch, we were just together a week ago in Florida at the FLC CC conference. You are one of the speakers your presentation. Wow. Now, I discovered you not that long ago, but you are a tech entrepreneur, philanthropist, you've become an investigative journalist, a masterful one at that. You you have a history of independently inventing optical mouse. I think you were an inventor of one of the first Internet search engines Infoseek. But let's fast forward to the last couple, two, three years you founded the COVID-19 early treatment fund, and you're the executive director of the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation. Tell me a little bit about your background. Many of my viewers, those on the Children's Health defense TV probably know you fairly well, but a lot of my other outlets, people probably don't know you. What's your background? And how did you get into being so passionate about COVID And the data and this vaccine or

Steve Kirsch  3:11  
shot? Yeah, so I mean, my backgrounds been in technology. I've been a computer geek. Since the very early days, I worked actually, I wrote down email program for the people who invented the internet, if you can believe that, back when I was a kid in in high school. And so I I went to MIT, I got a couple of degrees from MIT. left there, I started my first company, which was inventing the optical mouse and putting that on the market. And I've done about, I don't know, six or seven high tech companies. You know, I used to have a resume on LinkedIn. But I've been permanently banned on LinkedIn, I've been permanently banned on medium. I've been permanently banned from Wikipedia and been I've been permanently banned twice from Twitter. And all of this is for what they call spreading misinformation on these platforms. And I like to call it telling the truth. So some I'm a truth teller. And, in fact, I only started being banned on these platforms. When I started talking about the vaccines. You know, so we've gotten my entire life. I've never been called a misinformation spreader in my life. I got a national caring award that was presented by Hillary Clinton in a huge auditorium in Washington DC along with other people who were were being honored at the time. And that national caring award used to be on my wiki pedia profile, but as soon as I started talking about the vaccine, my Nash Don't carry your word disappeared from my Wikipedia profile, you know. And so this is the kind of stuff that people will do in order to make you look like you're a bad person. You know, and this continues to this day where I met with, I ran into an old friend, Eric Hahn. And he's a CEO here, he was the CEO of several startup companies. And I asked me what I was doing. And I said, Well, I'm a mythbuster, today. And he said, Well, what do you what kinds of myths I said, Oh, you know, like, the vaccine is safe and effective myth. And he said, I don't want to talk to you. You're an evil person. The data is so clear that these vaccines are saving lives. And I said, Well, that's not what the data says. And, and, and he said, No, no, the data is all clear. And it's in front of a beat. Like I said, Would you talk to me about the data? And he said, No, no, no, that would be like arguing with a person who claimed that the moon is made of Swiss cheese, people have beliefs. But if they're credible people that present themselves and say, you work, I have an argument that the moon is made of Swiss cheese to Eric, I would listen to you. And he said, No, no, I don't have the time time for this. We're not having this discussion. And then he walked away. And, and so you know, it's interesting that the people who can see what's going on, are the people who are open to discussing that their belief system might not be right. Yep. And you know what, so what got me into this is that I was a big believer of the vaccine, because this is what I was told this is what people that you trust tell you that the vaccines are safe and effective. This is the same reason that Dr. Paul Merrick, who's one of the key is the number one most published intensivist of all time, which means he's the intensivist as ICU medicine. Yeah. And so there's nobody smarter in intensive care medicine when then Paul, I mean, arguably, and he said he was fooled to he, he basically trusted people, he didn't look at the data himself, he trusted people, this is what everyone in medicine does, because they just don't have the time to look at the data themselves. And so he started seeing all these vaccine injured people. I mean, tons and tons of vaccine injured, and it was so obvious. And nobody was saying anything. Right? Nobody in the medical community was acknowledging the link between you getting a vaccine. And these conditions are happening within hours after the shot. Right. So you go from perfectly healthy, to disabled. Yeah, in hours, like you couldn't even make it to the bathroom. Where it's after the shock. And everybody's like going like, well, that must be just in your mind or the incidence. Yeah, coincidence, or, or whatever. And so pulse off saw too many of these coincidences, so he started looking at the data. And when he did, he was like, appalled. It's the same thing for Aseem Malhotra, famous cardiologist in the UK. Yep. He was advocating on TV. And then his dad died with multiple blockages. And so he started investigating found it was the VAX. I talked to a doctor recently. He said he had two patients with six stents. He says he's never seen more than three stents ever in his 30 year career. And now he's got patients with two patients, not one patient. And he's only got a practice of 1000 patients. He's got two patients with six stents. And

Dr. Paul  8:52  
that would be because of the massive clotting that happened in all those major arteries

Steve Kirsch  8:56  
happened after these people got the vaccine. Yeah. And so I had my awakening moment when somebody contacted me and said, Hey, I had three relatives who died. And they, they all died a week after getting the shot. And they were all perfectly healthy. Now, look, one I could understand, but three, you know, like that. Don't. You'd have to know like, a billion people. Yeah. Before you would find that one person. Yeah. And of course, Eric Khan says, no, no, that selection bias because, you know, you found the one person that happened to be unlucky. And that doesn't mean that they're all like that. But, you know, a week later my carpet cleaner comes in. He said that he had a heart attack a minute after he got the shot and his wife also suffered from a Parkinson's like, symptoms. She couldn't hold the glass steady after she got her shot and that is She recovered there, it took her like four months to recover. So I said, you know, that's that's the statistic with the three deaths in a week, that's a little bit outside of the normal range. I mean, that's not something that you'd expect to see at all. So what I did was I started looking at the data, I said, Hmm, interesting, you know, somebody's lying to me. It's either my friends are lying to me. Because I don't think I'm that unlucky. Yeah, my friends lying to me, or CDC is lying to the CDC and FDA lied to me. So I decided to look at the data and, and, and see what the data said. So I started looking at the various data and taught myself how to, you know, search for errors or errors in the vaccine adverse event reporting system, and the various data was unambiguous. This is the most dangerous vaccine we've ever produced. This is killing 1000s of people and viruses under reported by at least 41. And so, you know, the 1000s of people that were showing up in the VR system at the time, I mean, that was like 41,000 people on ongoing like,

Dr. Paul  11:11  
any, like, just signal we've ever seen. It's in

Steve Kirsch  11:13  
41,000 people now wait a second. So you stop a beat when they're two infants who die from baby formula? Close the baby formula plan. That's what we do. We do that today. We close the frickin plant. Yep, with two infant deaths. For 41,000 Americans who died after getting the vaccine, It's unexplainable. And they're like, let's mandate this. You know, this is this is an unbelievable, and so I just couldn't believe, you know, it was it was like, wow, what's going on here? You know, so, I had other people that I talked to people like Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Byron bridle and and

Dr. Paul  12:01  
Peter Matala and

Steve Kirsch  12:04  
Brett wines Stein. You know, all these Chris Martenson. Right. All these guys are super down to earth people. They're not ever categorized as misinformation spreaders. Like when did you ever hear Peter McCullough being a misinformation spread? Or my

Dr. Paul  12:22  
gosh, I don't know him, right. He's a cardiologist and one of the most published in his field in the world. But I've been on stage with him. He's a gentleman and such a knowledgeable scientist.

Steve Kirsch  12:35  
Yeah, he's extremely knowledgeable about all the science. Yep. And nobody will debate him and nobody will debate any of these people. Yep. And so I started collaborating with these people who were seeing the truth. And people like Jessica Rose and Matthew Crawford and Robert F. Kennedy, Joe Mercola. And they're all seeing exactly the same thing. Now. How is it Paul that all of these people, including myself, become misinformation? spreaders? Yeah, exact Welcome to

Dr. Paul  13:12  
my world.

Steve Kirsch  13:13  
So on the exact same issue? Yep. So this goes like when was the last time when was the last time that happened, Paul, and the and all of them were wrong.

Dr. Paul  13:23  
I mean, I can think of Ignis Shama Weiss, I think I'm butchering his last name. He was he was the only guy. That's true. He was alone. He was so yeah, that you're right. It tends to be a lone person who finds an uncomfortable truth that challenges the narrative and they get persecuted.

Steve Kirsch  13:41  
Right. It's something I it's like the guy with the discovered ulcers.

Dr. Paul  13:46  
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another example. I mean, Andy Wakefield, who wrote that maybe

Steve Kirsch  13:51  
Wakefield rides alone, Paul Thomas.

Dr. Paul  13:55  
I heard a Paul Thomas. I've been Wakefield did.

Steve Kirsch  13:59  
Yeah, you know, your Wakefield, it meaning that you're had your career destroyed, because you went against the narrative. And so each individual that goes against the narrative, you know, gets their career destroyed. And so people are reticent about doing that. And so, even today, doctors are seeing, you know, these, like, I know a doctor at Stanford, his name is Brian Stockdale. And, and Stockdale saw a case of CJD after the person, not the VAX. In fact, the person developed CJD a week, one week after getting the VAX. Now, that's either the most incredible coincidence of all time or there's cause and effect. You should look it up as CJD it's a it's a prion disease, which means is a disease caused by misfolded proteins. Yeah, Learning

Dr. Paul  15:00  
long lines of mad cow disease, I believe.

Steve Kirsch  15:03  
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And so you could you could either get it from eating, you know, meat that's infected or what have you. And and so this person who developed it, they had no risk factors for CJD, none zero. The doctors at Stanford were baffled. They, they told the doctors, hey, developed one week after they got the vaccine. And she consulted with 10 Doctors at Stanford University. And none of the 10 would even speculate that the vaccine might cause this despite overwhelming evidence in the scientific literature that connects the vaccines with prion disease. And in fact, I was on a call with Dr. Byram bridle at the very beginning of this when I first heard about the biodistribution, study that Byram and basically obtained through Freedom of Information Act from the Japanese government, and he discovered that number one is the vaccines not staying in your arm, which was super troubling. And the second thing he discovered was, or that he hypothesized is that he said, You know, I'm really worrying about prion disease. And

Dr. Paul  16:29  
yeah, I think for our for our audience, sorry to interrupt you. But people don't realize the technology that was used to create this mRNA, quote, vaccine. And I put that in quotes, just because it's not a vaccine. It's not preventing any illness. And it's designed with that nano particle technology to enter the blood brain barrier, for example. I mean, they've created this molecule. So it will go anywhere, and you're talking about the fact that the biodistribution, it can go anywhere in the body.

Steve Kirsch  16:58  
Yeah. Including your brains law, it lungs, heart, liver, kidney, spleen, blah, blah, blah, and especially your ovaries, especially your reproductive organs. This is why people have reproductive problems. Some people have reproductive problems, things like problems with erections after they got the shock, because it almost hones in on your reproductive organs. And, you know, people would have none of this. But you know, the various data was conclusive

Dr. Paul  17:26  
that one shot in two years, has caused more harm than all vaccines since we started collecting data 30 years ago, folks, this is shocking. And just last

Steve Kirsch  17:38  
fall, wait, Paul, it's worse than that. Because I did some surveys on health care workers. And it turns out they're under reporting is versus historical vaccines. They're actually reporting at a five times lesser rate for this vaccine, even than the others. Yes, than the others.

Dr. Paul  18:00  
I find that shocking, because the side effects from the COVID jabs are so as we pointed out at the beginning of our talk, many of them happen quickly. Yes, yes. They're so severe. How can you resist them?

Steve Kirsch  18:13  
You just don't report the Paul, because there's so many of them, Paul, that people don't have the time to report them all. And they're told not to, and they're, they're told that somebody else will report it. Yeah. And that ever happens,

Dr. Paul  18:25  
there's a huge incentive or disincentive to report, right.

Steve Kirsch  18:29  
They're told they're told, they are told that these vaccines have been heavily tested, and they're safe and effective. And so one part of you says, well, I shouldn't report them because it's not linked. And I don't want to create alarm. I don't want to create vaccine hesitancy. Yeah, right. That is the fall, don't want to get fired. And plus, there are too many of them. I know one neurologist who's got 1000 needs to file 1000, various reports. And she's filed two of them.

Dr. Paul  18:56  
Yeah. Historically, as a pediatrician, we did not recognize that most of the chronic neurological conditions, most of the developmental delays, a lot of the allergies and autoimmunity that we were seeing these chronic conditions and kids, we I'm willing to bet you 99% of pediatricians today have no idea that they are linked to vaccines.

Steve Kirsch  19:20  
Right. Right. And in fact, I was in an event last night for children's health. And the the speaker or the the the person they were honoring one person, that person had to sit in a chair, and she got up and she said sorry, I have vertigo. And so you know, this is why I'm, I'm a little bit you know, out of it. And so I went up to her and asked her afterwards, I said, How long have you been having? Have you been having the vertigo? Did you develop the vertigo in last few years? Yes. And I said How long after you got the vaccine? Did you develop your vertigo? All right, I mean, I jump directly from Sure. Like, cuz I've seen this over and over and over and over again. We've got the vaccine who developed vertigo. Yeah. And she says it was, you know, it's about like four months. How do you know?

Dr. Paul  20:13  
Yeah, they're not it's been the traditional denial thing that all the new things we see. I mean, SIDS, sudden infant death syndrome. I was in training 30 years ago when that term was introduced. And it's only way later when the data was analyzed carefully. You see, almost all the SIDs happens the week after a vaccine. Like, I think it's 97 or 8%. It's, it's not happening the week before a vaccine. So the cause and effect is clear. Now we have sads. Once we had COVID vaccine, sudden adult Death Syndrome, oh, they're just dropping dead. Have you seen images of people, soccer players just bam, dead? We're seeing it more and more.

Steve Kirsch  20:54  
It's amazing how the medical community has never ever linked SIDS with the vaccine. How can you have all of the events happening the week after the vaccine? And none of the events happening the week before Paul? I mean, it's one,

Dr. Paul  21:13  
obviously cause and effect. Our peers are just I just It baffles me, honestly.

Steve Kirsch  21:22  
I mean, we were told put your baby on its back.

Dr. Paul  21:25  
Right, right. Back to Sleep program. I mean, pediatrics pushed it big time. So they could therefore explain away the SIDs. Oh, it's because you've putting your baby on your tummy?

Steve Kirsch  21:35  
Ours? Of course. And you know, isn't it amazing? How we only figured this out after the vaccines rolled out, and medical science had never before made the connection? Isn't that amazing? And isn't amazing, Paul how maths suddenly started working for a virus when in the history, the history of medical science yet nobody had figured this out who actually has a manual saying the MAS don't stop respiratory viruses. This is why when you are you're in a BSL three or a BSL four lab. Do you see anybody wearing an n95 mask and a BSL three or BSL four?

Dr. Paul  22:19  
That is a good point. BSL three and four lab is?

Steve Kirsch  22:25  
BSL three is just a high low it. There are various categories of biosafety lab specification for labs where you do work on viruses. BSL one is considered to be like the lowest level, BSL two BSL three and BSL four and they're very few BSL four. They're probably like a handful of BSL four labs. And they're much more BSL three. And so this is where you do the gain function research. like it'd be you in a BSL four? Where it's, it's highly contained. I guarantee you nobody at any of these labs when you're dealing with pathogenic viruses is wearing an n 95. Mask. Yeah, yeah, I guarantee you

Dr. Paul  23:07  
they're completely porous and and close to useless that n 95 might have a teeny bit of delay. But you're gonna you're gonna die if you're in a dealing with these

Steve Kirsch  23:18  
very quickly. I mean, there's the bear spray test where these Marines get into a tent. It worlds one Marine gets into the tent and, and he has he testing in 95. He just a surgical mask and he tests the gas mask and gas mask. It's like you do the bear spray is like nothing. Like you know, nothing ever happened. To do that. You were in the 95 you hit the bear spray. And it's like, I'm out of here. Come on, get me out of here.

Dr. Paul  23:43  
Yeah. I had a patient can

Steve Kirsch  23:45  
he's wearing goggles too, by the way? Yeah, he's wearing goggles. Right? And how many people were walking around with their n95 and goggles? Nobody?

Dr. Paul  23:53  
Nobody? Yeah. So one of the things you've done that I admire greatly. What we've needed are prospective randomized trials. Now, anytime you do surveys, and I love your surveys, but anytime you introduce a new vaccine, that is your golden opportunity, because nobody has had that vaccine. So there will be a population that's unvaccinated to that vaccine. And why aren't we collecting that data and comparing the matched unvaccinated to the vaccinated, and I push this out there, folks, because parents, you need to be aware, the COVID Jab has been approved by the CDC to go on the childhood vaccine schedule. And that will start next February. It's coming soon. And unfortunately, depending on the state you're in, it may be mandated for school because once they get on that schedule, that's just sort of the way they do things. And the way it goes is Eric Rubin would say it's the way it goes. And I knew that was what they were doing from the beginning because once you get it on the childhood schedule, the manufacturers, the doctors who get it, anybody involved with that shot? Is it completely free of liability. And so it's the Holy Grail of a vaccine company make it product that you can have mandated without liability. My gosh, that's it's like mandated profit who wouldn't want a piece of that action? So we have got a job on our hands, Steve, and I know you're, you're doing everything you can do to inform the public. But we've got to wake parents up. So they they're the last year the last barrier between pharma government, public health officials, schools mandating a potentially lethal dose of vaccine you don't need.

Steve Kirsch  25:37  
Yes. And it's, you know, it's, it's so amazing, you know, and people like my, my friend, Eric Khan would be cheerleaders for like, of course, I'm gonna get my child vaccinated as soon as possible to protect them. But you know, the numbers are amazing, you know, Johnny and NiNis, that it Stanford, he calculated threats, it's three kids in a million. If they got the infection will die. Now, that's it if they got the infection, so figure, maybe one in a million kids might die from COVID. And that's a might die. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  26:15  
What are the numbers for the vaccine estimated

Steve Kirsch  26:16  
the average and so forth, but it's based on on bogus statistics. Because when you actually look at the kids who died and you talk to their parents, you say, Hey, I see that so and so died from from COVID. And they say, No, is a it was a congenital heart defect, usually that they finally succumb to. And so I'm still looking for the child who died from COVID. I mean, that child should be on a poster somewhere saying, Hey, we found a child who died from COVID. And

Dr. Paul  26:49  
from just COVID. You're absolutely right. The way they rigged the system if you died in a motor vehicle accident, but they got a positive COVID test. Yeah. COVID death. Yeah. Yeah, in Oregon, early on the local paper at the coast where I sometimes go visit published from a nursing home, that they had all these COVID deaths. And then the director of the nursing home said, but none of them had COVID. They even got a positive COVID on somebody a week after they

Steve Kirsch  27:15  
died. There you go. At least they didn't die from COVID. They got it a week later.

Dr. Paul  27:23  
recorded as a COVID death horse got a positive.

Steve Kirsch  27:26  
There you go. Yep. So yeah, they're they're incentivized, right? They get more they get paid more if there's a COVID death, and they get paid. I've heard that people that the hospital can get up to $500,000 for COVID death. Have you heard that? They'd been

Dr. Paul  27:42  
in the hospital a long time and then they die? They were in the ICU? Yeah, it ups the reimbursement in a crazy way.

Steve Kirsch  27:48  
Yeah. So I mean, they're, they're incentivized to kill people. Yeah. And in fact, that when I do surveys, I find that more people respond to the idea. My he didn't die from COVID. He died in the from from the hospital protocols for COVID. Right. Right. And, and not really from COVID. itself. And I wanted to make a point here, which which I didn't get in earlier, which is on the sudden adult Death Syndrome. Mark Crispin Miller is the guys who's been tracking this. And so I asked, I asked Mark Crispin Miller, I said, Hey, like how many of these people who died with a sudden adult Death Syndrome, have these people who are unvaccinated? And he said, Well, I found three. And I'm sure he's got, you know, hundreds of of people that he's reported so far. So we're talking three out of, I don't know, maybe it's 150. So 150, who died? I mean, it's like you have a 5050 times greater chance that you're going to be dying from the vaccine, then then dying. From, quote, natural causes, or, you know, the, you know, because people do die from from heart attacks. They've been dying from heart attacks before the vaccines rolled up. It's just we've never seen these numbers. Never. And people are normalizing it like, oh, yeah, people are always like, been at a microphone. And then two seconds later, they're dead. Yep. Like when you went, Paul, when did you ever see that before in your life?

Dr. Paul  29:30  
Yeah, I mean, never, especially Healthy Athletes dropping dead. I mean, this is

Steve Kirsch  29:36  
unheard of. It's now and it's such a normal occurrence now that people then extrapolate it to say, oh, you know, that they've always you know, people have always dropped dead winter. What's the big deal? Yeah. Not like that. It's just

Dr. Paul  29:51  
such a disaster. Steve, we have got to somehow stop it. Yeah, I know. You're trying you're trying your darndest. Do you have any data you might want to just share with the audience? If I

Steve Kirsch  30:01  
So you asked me about the data, this is a presentation I did at the FLCC conference, you know, pointing out that hey, you know, in Israel, they figured it out. Only two and 2.4% are vaccinated. These are the Israeli official numbers. Israel used to be the most highly vaccinated place on on Earth, one of the most highly vaccinated, and now 2.4% are considered to be vaccinated. So they're not buying the story at all in Israel. Now, of course, nobody in America knows this, because it's like, the mainstream media is never going to tell this story. Right? Dr. Aseem Malhotra used to be on TV promoting the vaccines. Father died six months after he got his shot, which is the mean time so it's like five months after you get the shot as the meantime for death. Yeah. And so we started looking at the data. And he's like, uh, Paul is saying, we have this this willful willful blindness to the data. So now he's going out and and talking about how that the vaccine should be stopped. And what's happening is that he's getting interviewed by the press, but the press doesn't run the articles. doesn't want anyone to know, I mean, this is stunning. This guy gets interviewed with by the press, and they don't, and they decide not to run the story, I mean, day. So what's going on, of course, is that, you know, once you're, once you allow yourself to question, what you've been told, and to question what you believe, then all of this unexplainable events, the SIDS, the sads, the all of this stuff just becomes super explainable. And of course, the elephant in the room is that, you know, is the cure worse than the disease? And of course, it is. Great, great book. Oops, this is this is the book all the way down. And this is an awesome book. Have you read it?

Dr. Paul  32:03  
I have. So that book outlines my journey, basically, because I've been in I've been in this vaccine industry for 35 years as a pediatrician. And I woke up about 20 years ago, to the fact that oh, my gosh, we're being lied to, it's a big part of the problem. And now COVID is waking everybody else up, at least anybody still at all able to look at data, the silver lining,

Steve Kirsch  32:25  
these are my injury, my personal injury estimates, your estimates may vary. But I cite all of the research behind these numbers. And, you know, now Dr. Naomi Wolf has had verified that millions of people have been injured and hundreds of 1000s of people have been killed. And so she may not agree with my particular numbers here, but certainly when the same ballpark. Yeah. And so

Dr. Paul  32:54  
you're a smart guy. And if you're a thinking person, parents, being a pediatrician, I'm just horrified that this is going to come at your kids this next year, if you've haven't already fallen for it. For the older kids, your chance of death from the vaccine is far exceeds any one in a million chance that you could die from COVID.

Steve Kirsch  33:12  
Yeah, it's at least 100 a factor of 100. More, even if you believe the vaccines, you know, work as expected. Yeah. And so I actually did a calculation recently with some some recent data and showed that for kids, it's it's 100. It's at least 100 to one. And Dr. Toby Rogers, almost a year ago, had done a calculation and he found it was 117. So using the newest data, I found that it was about 100. In that amazing how these, these numbers line up. And of course in this slide here, it's it's 50 to one, we're killing 50 people for every person we save and COVID. And everybody's is focused on on this number, the number saved, but nobody's looking at the number killed because they're not looking at the heart attacks and strokes and a pulmonary embolisms and so forth. And so I did a calculation very early on Peter McCall asked me hey, can you do an age stratified calculation to find out whether or not the vaccine actually could be effective. And so this is using the ideal vaccine, the vaccine that will save anyone who gets COVID their life will be saved. Right, so if you get COVID Perfect vaccine, so using the perfect vaccine, it still doesn't make any sense because these vaccines kill more people than they saved. And we have this poll numbers we've done independent polls. So this is not following. This is not pulling my followers. This is done using an independent pollsters. And and we found that the the numbers were were larger for the number of people killed by the vaccine. So I made these remarks on Fox News. And of course, they said, well, we can't verify it. I said don't you know find a contact them after the show and give them all the data so they can verify it. And you'll never guess, Paul, they never reached out to me to verify the data that they said they couldn't verify. This is why they can't verify it, because they won't look at it. They won't verify it. It's not that they can't verify it. Right? It's Fox News won't verify the data. I offered them the data. And they never replied. So I posted it. And then after I posted it, I asked Dr. Naomi Wolf to have her team validate my numbers. And she said, Yes, he's right. Hundreds of 1000s deaths. This is what she's got her reputation to uphold. And she's finding that my numbers are right. Yep. You know, like, she's not gonna go a treasurer reputation just to support me, I guarantee him, well, he's willing to run independent analysis. Yep, nobody else will do that. No fact checker will challenge me on this. And, and then I did surveys, right. So this is I forget whether it's Paul fish or fish. They're the these. These, the names of these firms are kind of unusual. Anyway, I think this may be I don't know if this is Paul fish, or what but we did a third party firm. And the link is, is on the slide. And the slide deck is posted on my on my sub stack. And what it showed is that 18, so this is, you're serving 500 People in the surveys, which is large enough to get statistical significance. So they found 18 People had a member of their household die from having a COVID infection. 18 households lost someone, but 38 households lost someone to the COVID vaccine. Now, this is extraordinary, because most people are blue pilled, or at least a receptionist. And so for them to say the vaccine caused a death. I mean, this 18 If you double 18, that's 36. So this is more than two to one. And then there's twice as many people died from the vaccine rather than from the infection. This is why Google and other polling agencies refuse to run any survey, which has both questions. 2.7% said, the vaccinated people report that they're now unable to hold a job. So it's 7 million people disabled. Now, and even if I'm off by a factor of three, even if I'm off by a factor of seven, or 10. This is crazy, these crazy numbers, this unable to hold a job right low,

Dr. Paul  38:08  
if that's an a child that's going to be unable to function in a school environment.

Steve Kirsch  38:15  
This is from the x plus a number of deaths per 1000 people in the UK. Is there a benefits. So there was a report done for the Liberal Party Canada, which is Troodos party looked at the Ontario data and had full access to the Ontario data. There were no benefits for infection, hospitalization or death. Now, how is it that they could find no benefit? You know, and and what's interesting about this report, it was done by anonymous scientists who are tasked by a member of the party to go and do this, because the scientists didn't want to be attacked. Right? If it was a, if the results were good, then they could expose their name. But when the results shown that the policies are nonsensical, the scientists have to duck and run for cover. And, Paul, I'll bet you're a guy who could relate to that.

Dr. Paul  39:12  
Oh, absolutely. Although

Steve Kirsch  39:13  
probably have a story to tell on that one. You bet. Yeah. Yeah. And then on, you know, is there a benefit? There's this great paper. I think it's by Bard class and, and looked at the clinical trial data, there was an increase in morbidity, which was highly statistically significant in all three vaccines. In other words, cure is worse than the disease and the all cause mortality, there is no benefit. There's, you know, it's like, where's the benefit here? So look, these are the blue is every other vaccine except for the COVID vaccine. And you can see that the blues are not going up at all. They're not they don't change. It's only the COVID vaccine. That is elevated. Yeah. Now we're Read

Dr. Paul  40:00  
is reports of deaths since we started recording and 90 now, and there were almost none. Until COVID vaccine was introduced. Bam, those are the deaths.

Steve Kirsch  40:09  
Right? So red is the total, total reports of deaths from all vaccines. And you can see they align, right? Of course, they're gonna match evenly here, because all deaths are are from the noncovered vaccines, because those were the only vaccines available, right? But here they diverge and 2021 and 2022. Now, nobody can explain that, why they diverge.

Dr. Paul  40:33  
What why a signal that massive doesn't respond, result in a total stopping this nonsense. So it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable,

Steve Kirsch  40:42  
right? So there's, there's there, there were three reasons for this, either this massive fraud and gaming. And nobody claims that, right? There's no evidence of that, and nobody claims it. So the FDA and CDC don't didn't claim that. So then the second is that there's massive over reporting, all of a sudden for just a COVID vaccines worldwide in every adverse event tracking system that everybody in the world decided just to over report the COVID vaccines,

Dr. Paul  41:12  
we know there's massive underreporting,

Steve Kirsch  41:15  
correct. Correct. And, and so, but but then we're number three, it's the deadliest vaccine in history. And there's only evidence for number three, and it's overwhelming and the evidence and number two is I actually did a survey of health care workers. And I found it was five times under reported for these vaccines. So the number that you see here, these, these bars should be five times higher, to do a comparison with the other bars.

Dr. Paul  41:42  
Yep. And you're getting up there at 25,000 deaths in 2021. Steven, in wrapping this up, I know you're doing all this polling, you're doing some amazing writing on your substack people. You've gotta go check this out. I read it faithfully every day. I think you're publishing every day. You're prolific. Oh, several times. Yeah. Sometimes it's more than once a day. Oh, yeah. No, it's

Steve Kirsch  42:04  
not. Sometimes it's most of the time, it's more than one. Guilty.

Dr. Paul  42:07  
That's why well, I just keep finding them. And they're all brilliant. So top doctors are calling for an end to this nonsense. We got to stop this, this COVID Jab program. Nothing seems to be happening in that area. Do you have thoughts of how we can get this information out? I mean, I, having lived through this for the last 20 years with the other vaccines I've sort of reverted to just educating people, I think, because if the authorities aren't going to do anything about it, then we we have to educate the population so that they can wake up.

Steve Kirsch  42:42  
Yeah. And there are authorities who are doing stuff about it. Like in Denmark, if you're under 50, you can get the vaccine.

Dr. Paul  42:48  
That is really good news. I read that on your substack just recently. Think of that, folks, there's an entire country where you cannot get it. Those scientists, doctors and even public health officials had realized we made a mistake, and we're not going to keep making this mistake. Right? How do we make that worse?

Steve Kirsch  43:07  
And of course, they rationalize it by saying, Well, now that we have herd immunity from the vaccines, we don't need them anymore, right? Because they're never going to go back and say, We messed up.

Dr. Paul  43:17  
So Steve, you know, this data probably better than almost anybody. Did you get the vaccine?

Steve Kirsch  43:23  
Yes. Cuz I, at the time, I was believing the FDA. I just was like most people thinking like, wow, they are they're the experts. I'm sure they went through all the data with a fine tooth comb. And you can trust the FDA and trust the CDC because they're trustable authorities and everybody in the world trust them. You know, it's like that with the Gardasil vaccine. I mean, that is amazing that they baited Gardasil at the time, and three times as many eave adverse events as all vaccines in history. At the time, Gardasil went on the market,

Dr. Paul  44:02  
Gardasil was the worst vaccine on the market until this COVID thing,

Steve Kirsch  44:06  
right? Yeah, it was, it was the the by far the winner in terms of the most number of side effects. So three times as many as all vaccines in history,

Dr. Paul  44:18  
a couple of thoughts from you, in closing for our audience. What would you want people to do for their own selves? And And second question, what do you see as the way forward for us as a as a population, a nation a world?

Steve Kirsch  44:31  
Yeah, well, you know, first of all, just like, there's a saying Andrew Wakefield was right, and their T shirts that says Andrew Wakefield was right. There shouldn't be one that says Paul Thomas was right, too. So you know, I want to give you credit, Paul for for doing the work and exposing this and speaking out and you know, having your career destroyed for telling the truth. So So first, I want to acknowledge all the work that you've done because most people don't even know who you are. are certainly I mean, I admit I didn't know who you were until James Lyons Weiler said, autonomous, you got to talk to him you understand his story. So I started educating myself on that. So the onion look, the advice is don't get any vaccines, don't get the call that vaccines don't get COVID boosters, and don't get any other vaccines either. And what you should do instead is you should read this book. And you don't have to read the whole book, I will not fault you, if you don't read the whole book, you can read the last chapter, the book II read the first chapter of the book, you can read the third chapter. My favorite chapter is on bears. And then what you do is you ask your doctor, if your doctor tries to get you to take one of these vaccines. Ask your doctor for the all cause. mortality, morbidity, risk benefit analysis? Yep. How many people died? You know, and in the published paper, you have a problem studies show me that? Yeah, yeah. If they can't, if they can't show you that, then you run for the hills.

Dr. Paul  46:10  
Wow, Steve, thank you so much for being on the show. And for bringing this knowledge and impactful presentation to the world. I got to see it at the conference, but now others can see it as well. And how can people get a hold of your information? Let's just make sure they know how to get

Steve Kirsch  46:30  
Steve kirsch.substack.com. So pretty easy to find. Perfect. All right. Thanks. Thank you

Dr. Paul  46:44  
Welcome Bernadette back to the against the wind you are very important feature here you our Public Policy Director of informed choice Washington, a host of informed life radio. And I know you're now in Tennessee, doing incredible work along with getting your big part of the getting ivermectin as a over the counter drug.

Bernadette Pajer  47:05  
So yes, over the counter from a pharmacist to get a couple of questions to ask. And there you go. You can buy it. And I recently was at a big event, a CHD, the inaugural conference. And the demand for the it was in Knoxville, Tennessee, the demand for the ivermectin was really high. And you know, it was really cool. Dr. Paul, there were I think more people who recognize me, and thanked me for my work because of appearing on your show. My own show. Everybody's watching Dr. Paul, I thought that was so awesome.

Dr. Paul  47:36  
Thank you. You are a blessing to the world. And oh, however we can get your message out there. I'm happy to help. And you've been a big help to the show. So thank you. Well, thank

Bernadette Pajer  47:46  
you right back. atcha. Shall we get to it today?

Dr. Paul  47:49  
So what I'm excited about is it's going to be quick, because you know, it's important, but we want to we want to touch on this is the ACI P and CDC vote and what they're doing with the COVID vaccine for the childhood schedule? Yes,

Bernadette Pajer  48:03  
exactly. So most people most of your viewers will have already heard, but let's go over what just happened. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices got together and one of the regular meetings. This is a group that is highly conflicted, but they claim no conflicts. And I've got to tell you that they proudly announced that one of the new members is from the American Pharmacists Association. And he claimed no conflict of interest. All he does is make living selling in vaccine products, right? How can there be no conflict? It's just I don't understand their mindset. On October 20 2022, the ASIC voted 15 to zero to add COVID-19 shots to the CDCs pediatric schedule. And this is six months through 18 years. The CDC schedule is a recommendation at the federal level, it is not a mandate of any sort, it is a recommendation. However, a lot of people, a lot of doctors, they treat it as gospel as law. Each state actually has a method for deciding what is required for daycare and school. And each state has their own exemption laws. Okay. So what we want to try to help individuals do because now is the time. I mean, if you've never been active before, this is it. This is the time for you to stand up and speak out. So if you are not already aligned with the medical freedom group strong in your state, you need to do that now. Right now. The groups in your state who've been working for many, many years on vaccination issues, they know the law they know the process. They know where you need to put your energy to make sure that your state does not mandate these shots. send your kids. So one way to do it is to go to children's health, health defense.org and look for their drop down menu on chapters see if there's a chapter in your state. Or you can go to health choice.org. And look for their affiliates. There's a lot of states that are united underneath Health Choice. And that includes informed choice Washington and the Tennessee Coalition for vaccine choice. If your state isn't showing up there, you can do an internet search without the the Google browser, you're going to have to use another browser. And in order to really find it. Otherwise, you're going to have about 100 pages of CDC web links before you can get to any good information. Another step you can do is call or email, your state health department, email might actually be more useful, because then they will send you links. And I encourage you to ask for the citations to the laws and the rules. So you can read exactly what the law and rule is and make sure that you're not bending the law or abusing the law in your state, and ask specifically what the process is to change school requirements for vaccines in your state. And another step you should take is to call and email your state legislators. Also ask them, Hey, can you cite vaccine law in the state what's required, and let your opinion be known that you do not agree with as a SIP decision, and you do not want ever to have mandates in your state. So get vocal now, I tell you, we need for the next couple of months, we need phones ringing emails stuffed, and people showing up and making appointments everywhere, we have to get very, very loud, it's time to roar like the lion. So search, the other thing you can do is search your state's vaccination laws. So you'll search for say, Tennessee immunization requirements. And it can get you where your need where you need, if all these other things have failed to be too slow for you. And the good news is the fabulous organization called stand for health freedom. I'm actually the Tennessee director of Stanford health.

Dr. Paul  52:18  
Good for you. Yeah, amazing organization. Everybody, you've got to join them, they are doing incredible work

Bernadette Pajer  52:24  
they are and one of the one of the best things they do is create action campaigns, or support state level action campaigns and push them out there. So everybody's aware of them. And also they do national level. I've talked to the people at the national level at Stendra freedom. They're busy gathering the laws and rules in every single state and creating a resource so that you'll be able to go to them and find out what what happens in your state. So you can figure out what to do to take action to prevent the shots bent from being added to the school schedule. So that will be at Health stand for health freedom.com. It's free to sign up, sign up, get on there, get their newsletters, and they'll have your state when you sign up. And that way they can send you some specific information to your state as those specific actions come to be. Absolutely. Yeah. And then one last thing I wanted to share with your viewers here is this awesome art by Bob. Bob, the artist at Bob moran.eu co.uk. He got into the politics of what's happening. A give a little heads up mature warning, if you go look is some of his stuff is really in your face. kind of shocking in some of it. But it's so powerful. So we've got the mama with her her baby and the

Dr. Paul  53:50  
steroids is your time to protect.

Bernadette Pajer  53:53  
Yep. Yeah. And as I mentioned to you early Dr. Paul, I love this art where you know, early on in this, they were saying to vaccinate your children in order to protect the adults and they've done that with other shots as well. Basically using your child as a human shield for adults. But what they really need now with this, this a SIP vote, putting the shots on the CDC schedule, their their goal they're reaching one step closer to is to put the COVID shots under the the liability shield of the ASA back of the VA

Dr. Paul  54:32  
immunization act. Yep, yes.

Bernadette Pajer  54:34  
So that farmer will still not be live ever no liability

Dr. Paul  54:37  
folks zero liability, mandated profit and mandated harm this kids don't need this vaccine. It does basically no good. And it has the potential and it's not just theoretical potential. It has a massive potential for harm.

Bernadette Pajer  54:53  
Exactly. So we really I'd like to ask the artist Bob to put that stab vest on a Representatives from Pfizer and from Maderna because now our babies are being used as human shields for liability protection for Pharma. That's what they're working toward. And so then lastly, this is what we all need to be. And this is what so many people already air already our I believe he titles this one just mama.

Dr. Paul  55:22  
Okay. I would call it breaking free and you know you've take your cub with you. Yeah, parents you have got to protect, it's never been more clear. The voices are growing the numbers of us who are who are like trying to scream from the mountain top. You know, danger, danger, protect, protect. It's honest, like you said, the next two, three months. And if you can't change, you also have to prepare for this. And I know you would agree or can add to this. Parents, you've got to prepare for the fact that if you live in a state like I live in Oregon, all down the up and down the West Coast, certain states their their track record is clear. once something's put on the childhood immunization schedule from the CDC, it's treated as if it's a recommendation not just a guideline. And it's actually treated as standard of care. So very quickly as mandated, and almost reflexively, everybody pediatricians OB GYN, they just start doing it. So the only protection at that point is you the parent.

Bernadette Pajer  56:23  
Exactly. Thank you so much. I couldn't said it any better. Thank you, Dr. Foul.

Dr. Paul  56:27  
Yeah. So last words.

Bernadette Pajer  56:31  
It's time everybody, no matter where you are, what you're doing now you need to make a part of your life to fight this. Yes, CDC has gone insane, and they are harming our children. And it's time for all of us to just rise up and say no, no, it's time for medical freedom. It's time to say no to the captured oversight agencies and protect our children. That's it.

Dr. Paul  56:56  
Yep. Let's put kids first everybody. Thank you, Bernadette. Thank you, Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul, thanks for watching the show. Please visit doctors and science.com There you can access our members only section. This show is member supported. We don't have to take sponsors. We don't have to have anybody controlling the content of our show. This is a huge perk. Most people aren't aware of your membership gives you access to my eBooks, transcripts of every show PowerPoints from talks I'm giving around the country and live bonus peeks at behind the scenes work. We're doing my off the cuff thoughts and reviews on current events. Your support makes all this possible. Thank you. Help me spread the truth and share this on social media and with your friends at doctors and science.com. I look forward to running with you against the wind. Go to our website doctors and science.com Sign up. Donate if you can. And let's make this the weekly show the nation has been waiting for. I'm Dr. Paul

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