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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Paul Welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. I'm interviewing Dr. Denise Sibley internal medicine for 32 years quite a story. She has treated over 5000 COVID patients. She was part of the group that passed legislation in Tennessee putting ivermectin over the counter first state that's had that happen. She's been threatened with sanction by her own board, the Board of Internal Medicine, we talk about why it's so difficult to be a bear of the truth today, doctors aren't getting involved. How do we make them participate in this? The science is there? What are the barriers for doctors telling the truth and why faith in God matters in medicine more than ever, and why we can't be silent. Bernadette takes us out with information from the Wii safe data and how you can access it. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul here, I'm mad, I'm upset. I'm furious. Actually, the CDC voted unanimously just recently 15 to zero to put the COVID vaccine on the childhood immunization schedule. This starts February of 2023. Folks, that's just a few months from now, what does this mean? This is the horrifying part, it means that in many states, it will be mandated for your child to attend school. In other words, kids will start getting this job, or they can't go to school. And for a lot of people, especially those who are poor, don't have the option of having a stay home parent or a nanny or a private, separate education, they now have to sacrifice their child to a dangerous product. And here's the bad thing. There's no liability to these companies by getting it on the childhood vaccination schedule. You are now free of liability. If you're the manufacturer, if you're the doctor who's giving it the pharmacist who's giving it it doesn't matter who's involved. Nobody has any liability, that liability falls on you, the parent when something goes wrong, guess what happens? Well, it wasn't the vaccine, oh, you must be crazy. It's horrific. And we know children don't need these vaccines. They're not preventing transmission. They're not preventing people from getting super sick or being hospitalized. It's all risk zero benefit for kids, at least for most adults. Heck, there are countries now where they're not even allowing this vaccine to be given under the age of 50. So other places in the world are waking up, what is going on here with CDC? How can 15 out of 15 people with all the information we have just sort of rubber stamp this thing and send it on its way to harm our children. That's why I'm mad. I couldn't live with myself, if I wasn't bringing you this information. You might say, Oh, he's gone off the rails. If you don't understand the topic, you don't have the data. I would ask this, consider just being a little curious. I mean, why would a guy who had it all in the sense of a huge pediatric practice? risk at all. I mean, I knew by speaking out, I risk losing my license. And that's happening. I knew that but I cannot be quiet. Not when our kids lives are in the crosshairs of a very dangerous product, something we've never seen before. So I'd say forgive me because I always like to beg for forgiveness when I go off the rails. But this was this one's the buck stops here. Parents, you got to draw a line in the sand. And no matter what your kid is not going to get that jab. For some of you, it's going to mean homeschooling somehow, some way you figure it out. For others of you, you're going to have to leave the state you live in because you happen to live in a state where they are reckless, callous? I don't know. It makes no sense. There are so many of us doctors and scientists and researchers who have the data we know what's going on. So I beg you to look for the data. And at least while you're investigating, do not let this jab into anybody you care about. Thanks. I'm Dr.

Welcome Dr. Denise Sibley. It is a pleasure to have you on against the wind.

Dr. Denise Sibley  4:13  
Thank you so much. It is such an honor to be with you, Dr. Thomas. You're just someone I really admire. Thank you so much. Oh, well. Thank

Dr. Paul  4:21  
you. You and I have a few things in common. You graduated from medical school right after I did one year later. What I don't have in common with you is things like the Honor Society and class president for 30 years. I mean, you clearly were at the top of your game and have been for a long time. You're a board certified in internal medicine, correct that way for 32 years and kind of uniquely which I think a lot of the greatest physicians of our time, stepped up to the plate when COVID hit us. And I understand you did that you treated over 5000 patients between In the COVID illness prophylaxis long COVID vaccine injury and you've had great success, we're going to touch on that for sure. You've also been involved in legislation, which is pretty cool. You're there in Tennessee and you got ivermectin to be available without a prescription

Dr. Denise Sibley  5:17  
for correct. Yes,

Dr. Paul  5:18  
that's, that's, that's

Dr. Denise Sibley  5:19  
super. We're the only state in the United States

Dr. Paul  5:22  
you are. So we're gonna chat about that you formed Tennessee freedom doctors in 2021. This is to enable clinicians to collaborate and advance medical freedom. I want to learn more about that. And then we'll touch on how you've been sanctioned or threatened to be sanctioned Medical Board, something that seems to happen to just about every great doctor, there is so much more on your resume I could go into but maybe let's just start with, tell that tell our viewers a little bit about your background and how you ended up where you are today? Well, you

Dr. Denise Sibley  5:55  
know, I wanted to be a doctor from a child, I had a medical illness actually, that led me down that pathway. And I came from a family of nurses, and so figured out it could be a doctor met my husband who was also on the same path. And we got married before I finished college. And so he was all to two years ahead of me always. And so we have gone the path, married 41 years. And he's a physician and I'm a physician and I have always loved taking care of people and love helping them in any way. And I love science. Even when I was a kid I got this Christmas present, it was a invisible human and it had a plastic outside and you could see all the organs and take them out. So even from being a child I like the human body and in science. So I've loved I've loved medicine, I loved internal medicine, because it was always a puzzle. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  6:50  
I think back to medical school, and you mentioned internal medicine. And I remember doing my rotations and thinking, I don't know if I'm smart enough for internal medicine. I mean, the charts you know, back in that day, remember you will be given this pile of charts, you're supposed to review and figure out what the heck's going on with this person who has 13 or 20 different medications? And I'm thinking No, not for me. Well,

Dr. Denise Sibley  7:10  
let's see, that was funny, because third year pediatrics was my first rotation. And they sent me in to do a lumbar puncture on a two year old, you know, you can't explain it to a two year old. And I was like, huh, I don't think I wouldn't be able to talk to my patients. So you know, that's funny, because that just turned me off that I couldn't speak to them, you know, and then understand me, but I loved internal medicine, I would do it all again. And it's fantastic. It's like finding the clues, you know, so

Dr. Paul  7:39  
so we're gonna get to COVID. But tell me a little bit because so many physicians who've dared to venture into really taking appropriate care of those with COVID or speaking up about what's going on with the so called vaccine end up in trouble with either medical boards or you've been threatened with sanction by your internal medicine board, apparently. Yes.

Dr. Denise Sibley  8:02  
So I did testify a lot this spring and our Tennessee House and Senate with several bills we were trying to get pass through. And I truly had never been involved in anything like this before. I didn't even know really how it happened. And Bernadette pager who, you know, we met down there, and we're actually live near each other. So I got involved in that. And I wanted to be the I guess they wanted me to be the doctors voice for some of these. And one of them was ivermectin because I believed very strongly in that. And so it was shortly and we got several real academic folks like Merrick and Cory and Malone. And Ryan Cole and Urso and Ladell, they all came down and helped us as well with testimony. So I certainly didn't do it alone. But it was right after that, within two weeks of that finishing, that I received a letter. And it was it was all all of us that received it. Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Mayer, Dr. Corey, we all received it dated the same day. And it was trumping I did not know that that same day. Yes, May 26. And it was a little bit of a form letter, but then it went into the individual sins that we had committed the misinformation. And so they went I don't have any social media. So all they could do was really go to my homemade website that I made in 2020. And they took statements that I made on some videos and said that was misinformation and they threatened to remove my at that time, my last my year was the last year you could get a lifetime certification. And so I studied really hard and I passed it. And so I had lifetime certification. I've never had any trouble with any thing and Medicine never been reprimanded. And so they threatened to sanction our board certification because of misinformation and not agreeing with the consensus. And so that was the sand and we had to make an appeal, which I referenced the 11 page repeat appeal, as did all the others. And that's been, you know, May, and we've not heard a chirp out of them. Dr. Ron Johnson got behind me, excuse me, Senator Ron Johnson got behind many of us, and we invited them to a debate in DC. And of course, none of them would come.

Dr. Paul  10:41  
And have you had any trouble with the Tennessee Medical Board?

Dr. Denise Sibley  10:45  
Know, the Tennessee medical board. And we had some legislation dealing with that, actually. So the legislators put some protections that we could not be censored for COVID treatment or information. So that was part of some of the legislation that went through and even in my ivermectin bill, that was part of the bill. And then last was that anyone who participated in this collaborative agreement was indemnified. So the pharmacist and the physician, so that has been a really great thing that the legislator, most of the legislators are very good about protecting us. So that's been different than than your state. But that's one of the protections they put in for us. That is doesn't deal with anything else. So in that COVID, and it has a sunset law, it's set to expire this next year, in the middle of the year. So you know, what happens then? Or with the next, the next pandemic?

Dr. Paul  11:54  
Maybe you renew it with some additions to protect information on the total vaccine schedule?

Dr. Denise Sibley  12:02  
Exactly. And just to broaden it that, you know, and my my feeling is, it's the sanctity of the doctor patient relationship. Yeah, I know my patient best. I don't need a government entity entity to tell me what to do. I'm still capable of reading studies and figuring out what's best for my patients,

Dr. Paul  12:23  
and perhaps get something in there about informed consent, the process of informed consent, not being subject to being called misinformation or disinformation.

Dr. Denise Sibley  12:38  
Correct, correct. Yes. Because informed consent is truly lacking in so many things. I really feel like COVID opened my eyes, or the scales fell from my eyes. I, I was not as alert as a you know, as a busy practitioner. I just didn't read the studies myself, I read the abstracts and through the journal light. And now, now I know how biased all of those things aren't, I can actually read a study more critically. And so that's something I've gained even at six to do that. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  13:16  
So So COVID is still upon us. To some extent, I mean, I, I feel like it's fading out. But people still have fear. And you have so much experience having been treating people for the last two and a half years, and how many people you've treated? What is your current recommendation to people about? You know, what they can do to prevent getting it? If they do get it? What should they do? And what are your thoughts about the vaccine, and of course now and this fall, they're rolling out this dual vaccine. Maybe you can expand a little bit, you have so much more experienced than I do actually treating sick patients.

Dr. Denise Sibley  14:00  
Yeah, so I didn't ask to be a COVID. Doctor first. I happened to be available because of just God's providence. When COVID came, and I was paying attention, because I actually have a daughter in France. So they were six weeks ahead of us that was pay attention to the data. They're way ahead of the people here. And I knew that in 2003, they'd use hydroxychloroquine. And for SARS, cov. One, and so when the first two people call me, I was excited, you know, to actually, oh, I think I'll use hydroxychloroquine you know that there was actually papers written on that back in that day,

Dr. Paul  14:41  
and was an author on one of those studies. So he was an author of that, yes, amazing. He knew it worked, and yet he got in the way of us using it. And so

Dr. Denise Sibley  14:51  
the first thing that really made me scratch my head is I called in 10 Plaquenil or hydroxychloroquine, which I mean, I have family close friends and, and hundreds of patients on that four room tall rheumatologic diseases, you know, Sjogren syndrome, you name it. I've said everybody to on their mission trips with hydroxychloroquine. So I've used it my whole career. It's older than me. It's older than me. Okay. So. So I called in 10, to the Walgreens. And they wanted to know what it was for. And I was very proud. I was like, I'm treating COVID, even new the new code. And they said, well, we can't get it to you. You know, I just I could not comprehend. And I said, Do you not have it? You know, what's the problem? And she goes, Oh, wait, we can't give it to you for that. And I just hung up the phone and was flabbergasted. So I called another pharmacy. Same thing. And I mean, we're talking 10 tablets, it wouldn't cost less than $10. And I've been calling it in all my life. Right? I actually, you know, I finally got them some. But I just hung up the phone, I said, I said to my husband, something is very, very strange. And that started, you know, I said, We've never done medicine like this. And that started me down the whole, the whole rabbit trail, so to speak of just what is going on? Why are they treating this differently, we've never behaved like this. And of course, it opened my eyes. And then when I opened my eyes to the deception of COVID. And all of the fake studies and the things they were doing just the things that didn't make sense, wear masks, and we knew they didn't help with respiratory illnesses at all before this, you know, in this stay at home. We've never done that all the countries all together. So a lot of it didn't make sense. Our church closed, couldn't could, I mean, just crazy things as you know. And so I started doing my own research. And, and I had time, that was the blessing. I had time, if it had been a busy time, I don't think I would have paid as much attention. But the combination of odd sayings that didn't make sense in my 40 years of being out of medical school, and then having the time to actually look so when the Pfizer trial data came out, it was December 10. I stayed up all night. And I read it with a yellow highlighter and a red pen stayed up all night. And I was like, Oh, my goodness. And you know, I had time to do those kinds that 1000s of hours of self study, and just digging in and trying to find colleagues who, you know, we're doing things in France or in Texas and New York. And it really began Paul, a collaborative agree a collaborative system among physicians, which I've missed, because with I didn't do electronic records, I was still on paper. And but um, you know, with that came isolation, especially as a solo practitioner, I was, you know, by myself, I had good clinician, nurses, but I was by myself and the other calling each other wasn't there anymore. And now we started talking and emailing and just, you know, what would you do? What do you what are you doing? And I love that. It was like, medicine blossomed again, like we used to do. And so I learned, and I learned about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and so what would I recommend now?

I think ivermectin is the is the way to go. I think it has a longer period, during which it's helpful. hydroxychloroquine. I've used a lot of it. In fact, in the beginning, that's all I had, I didn't know about ivermectin. And so, ivermectin, we did sort according to weight. And there's great protocols on the FLCC, which is really who I've been following a lot know those people very well. And so I would recommend if you have anything that feels like COVID, or don't wait, right now, the tests are negative, those rapid tests are negative two or three times before they test positive and just go ahead and take your ivermectin for at least five days, you can take it longer because it helps there's three phases COVID, antiviral, the inflammatory. And then you've got the coagulopathy. And actually, the ivermectin helps with all of those phases, and it helps with vaccine injuries. There's really no point in the disease that you can't find a benefit. So to me, it's the most broad, broadly used one I use it for prevention. So some people that have been keen Yep. Or they have some kind of cancer, they might stay on it twice a week. And they have from the very beginning, when we started using ivermectin, it's a good prophylactic for post exposure. So if a husband has COVID, I'm going to go ahead and treat his wife, because she's living there in the house, she's gonna get it and give her five days of post exposure prophylaxis. And then you get into the long haul syndrome, which long haul to me means that you had COVID. And you had symptoms there were residual, and then there's vaccine injury. So I don't I don't call getting vaccinated, and having persistent symptoms long COVID. That's a vaccine injury. And so I have over 600 of those patients, and

Dr. Paul  20:51  
you have 600 vaccine injury patients. And how many long haul patients who are not vaccine injured.

Dr. Denise Sibley  21:00  
Not that many, probably about more like 250, something like

Dr. Paul  21:04  
that. This is really affected a lot of people

Dr. Denise Sibley  21:07  
and it is affecting if you're treated early. With COVID, with one of the medications, you're much less likely to have any long COVID symptoms, it is pretty amazing. If you stop the virus, you will you will not get into line I've had COVID Probably not vaccinated. And I, you know, my nine year old mom and 92 year old dad at COVID, as well as my whole family, and we had it during delta. So

Dr. Paul  21:41  
yeah, I had it as well at about a week of fatigue, and, you know, fever at the very beginning chills for one night. But I'm in pediatrics and in pediatrics kids just get well quick if they even get sick at all. And the only real disasters have been people who got the vaccine and ended up with myocarditis. I had one child hospitalized for that first myocarditis case I'd ever seen in my career. Tell us more about long haul the symptoms. What are people experiencing? And what are the things you're doing that are most effective?

Dr. Denise Sibley  22:15  
There's a whole protocol on FLCC as well, for long haul. And so there it's it's various agents and you really have to tailor it to the person. So a lot of people have fatigue. A lot of people have shortness of breath, easy fatigue ability, neurologic symptoms, some have brain fog, they can't concentrate, they can't do their computer job, their eyes don't converge. They feel like gi they have a lot of loose stools, they're a lot less loss weight. Those are some of the most common, but I think the and then the vaccine injury, certainly neurologic symptoms are the most common. And sorry, and so those are it's very hard to treat vaccine injury because each person is different. They can have pulmonary neurologic, liver, everything, every every system can be involved and is very individualized. So you try one agent like an ivermectin that's always first I'll try some of the anti histamine therapy because a lot of it is an anti inflammatory reaction. So or an inflammatory reaction, so I'll use for motivating and, and one of the h one blockers like Benadryl or Allegra and then we use low dose Naltrexone. fluvoxamine mean, there's a whole host of things. And different people have different things that they found helpful. But anything, I just try and go one step at a time so that you know what helps. And if it doesn't help, then we back off and we try something else. So it's super individualized, it's individualized medicine. And there's not a one size fits all, but they are the most devastating of doctors and nurses and pharmacists, and senators and representatives that are vaccine injured. People have been disabled. Yeah. Physical Therapists that's in a wheelchair with a trach.

Dr. Paul  24:40  
So these people seek you out. I'm guessing because you take this seriously and you understand why it happened it How are most of your peers in your area? They're dealing with this.

Dr. Denise Sibley  24:55  
Okay, so I'm so low and I have been since 2003. I used to be a part of a bakery. Uh, and most folks in this area, I'd say 95% of doctors are in a big group, or are owned by the hospital, the monopoly health system here. So they're pretty captured. They can't do a lot, or they've been told that things will happen to them if they do. And so it's the baby little band of us independence and a lot of us are my age, though, and some of them have come out of retirement. We've had, we've got E and T's, we've got OB GYN, we've got pediatricians, we've got neurologists, we've got plastic, we've got anybody that will help, help. And we get together as a little band, and we share information. And they other folks, I mean, they'll actually give my phone number. So the big group or I used to work will give my phone number out.

Dr. Paul  25:58  
They today they somehow don't feel like they can risk their career to do what is clearly the right thing to do. Isn't that is this insane?

Dr. Denise Sibley  26:10  
It it is. It's just not ethical. I couldn't go to sleep at night. I don't know. Well, and I saw that. So I one of the big, huge things that happened was I had a patient. This was in February of 21. And he called me from his ICU room he had got got my cell phone because I use my cell phone. And he said, I think I'm done a COVID and someone sent me one of your videos. Would you help me? He was in the hospital, just you know, not far from my house. And I said, Well, yes, I'll I'll help you. But you know, I, I can't come you're obviously you know, they have the hospitalist system, and that whole thing, you know, can't come in and do that. But, um, but I will help you Sorry. And so I embarked and went up the chain of command at that hospital. So I talked to his primary, his hospitalist, his pulmonologist, the CMO, went up the whole chain of command, can we do this? Can we get ivermectin? No, not allowed to have our machten. What if his family brought in No, not allowed. So at that time, the court orders to to give patients ivermectin was popular, so hard on the sevens attorney, because all the rest of the conflicts of interest with the health system. They said they would help us. And we were going to get a court order to administer the Avermectin. Because he really was he was sick. And they weren't feeding him. They weren't giving him IVs. He was on BiPAP. He couldn't eat. And he was very desperate. And of course, his family, you know, was allowed in just rarely. And he was scared to death. And the long and short of it is is that the hospital monopoly system, though their legal team, just petrified, the lawyer I chosen and he he just couldn't do anything. And so we got nowhere with that. And there was really nothing else I could do. And it it made me physically, ill. Yeah. And I had to talk to the CMO. And I said, what you're doing is wrong. You are killing people. And the reason why your staff is so burnt out, because is that it's not yes, they're working. But they know what they're doing is wrong, and you're making them do it. And that's why they're burnout. It's a cognitive dissonance. It's, it's unethical and they know it. That's what's wrong with your staff. Because I noticed, and anyway, it didn't change their minds. And I, his wife wanted me to go and pray for him. Because his own pastor wouldn't go. And so I said, Okay, I can do that. I will I will do anything. And I I took some olive oil to anoint him with a little bit anyway. And they were watching me through the windows because I made the mistake of wearing my badge. And I didn't know that was a mistake. I've worn it for 30 Some years in that hospital. That's how you get in. But I prayed for him. And I left. I did not do anything else. I did not touch anything in the room. And by the time I got down to the the entrance of the hospital, they were calling me told me I was inappropriate. But I violated visitation policy. And I said, Well, I was there as a minister. And they said, Well, you had your badge on

Dr. Paul  30:01  
Oh my goodness, go figure. This man survive. No, you die, but has to break.

Dr. Denise Sibley  30:08  
I mean, that made me sick enough that I mean physically sick, physically sick. And it wasn't it was. Absolutely I said this is this is pullout war. And it didn't stop me at all. In fact, I was like, if this is what they're doing to people, I'm turning up about 10 notches. And so ever since then, I mean, it's been full out ever since the beginning. And I felt like I have nothing to lose. You

Dr. Paul  30:42  
know, I mean, we, God bless you for standing strong against all that adversity. You've clearly saved hundreds, if not 1000s of lives. And how many more could have been saved? If we could have somehow reached our peers? What can we do? Why? What's the barriers for these doctors? I mean, I know there's the economic threat of you're gonna get fired. That's a big one.

Dr. Denise Sibley  31:06  
Well, there's such capture, there's capture everywhere, there's capture the medical schools, there's captures of the the regulatory agencies, this captures of the hospital. I mean, all the protocols came down from on high, even our most latest masking policy, which just came out this week. It came from on high at the at the health system, not? I mean, it's it's corporate policy. The legislative folks are I mean, some of them are captured. There's capture everywhere, and I don't know how to wake them up. Now, if someone has an honest question, I will talk to them all day, and there have been a few. But most people, they they, you know, yeah. You know, they do not want to hear anything, because I believe it hurts them. It hurts them to hear the truth. And they can't, to me, it's a pride issue. They can admit after two and a half years that they were wrong, and what have they done. So they would just rather keep their head down and continue on the same path. So I don't know how to fix it if they're not awake. You know, our phone, some some family members are not awake. I mean,

Dr. Paul  32:24  
yeah. What, what kind of outcomes have you had,

Dr. Denise Sibley  32:28  
I've had super outcomes. I mean, during Delta, when it was really, really severe. I got some folks that were day 10 and 12 that were sent to me. And that's a hard time to turn the boat around because you're into the full, what really kills people's that inflammatory phase where their lungs, you know, turn into what we used to call boop B O P, you know, an organizing pneumonia kind of thing. And they need a lot of steroids. And they weren't giving them steroids in the hospital. They were given dexamethasone six milligrams twice a day, if you could get that, but, and remdesivir, which was killing people, but I had four deaths. Now with the vaccine injured, I've had five folks die this summer vaccine that I could not I could not turn the boat around. They had just such a multitude of problems. And I I tried my best and you know, they ended up going into the hospital and had you know, cult total collect dummies on the vent. I mean bleeding everywhere, pulmonary, total respiratory failure and kidney failure. And I couldn't turn that boat around so that and I've only had one person on oxygen since the winter. And that was someone who was a four shot person. So nobody unvaccinated has been on oxygen this whole summer.

Dr. Paul  34:04  
So then you probably have a formed opinion about the vaccines. What are you telling your patients?

Dr. Denise Sibley  34:10  
Well, they're not vaccines, they're Genet genetic therapy. And I use that just so that they they know the term vaccine, and that's what it's called. But it's genetic therapy. And from the get go, that was one thing that I really dove into that, Oh, for 10 years, we've been trying to make a genetic therapy vaccine and it's not work because of ad E and you know, the animals didn't make it and Hmm But all of a sudden we're gonna skip the animal trials and just do it and and we'll see how it goes.

Dr. Paul  34:47  
Let's experiment on the human population. You throughout the term at that others may not understand

Dr. Denise Sibley  34:54  
and enhancement so yes, when you've given someone so the lots that have been available have been the original Wuhan sequence, or whatever they were, you know, people differ on what it actually was. But it was the original sequence or the original variant, let's say. And so they've continued to give that repeatedly even though the variants have changed. And when you do that, you lock someone into making antibodies against that. But if another one comes in infects them, they then have a decreased ability to fight that it actually puts them at a decreased advantage. And so it makes the symptoms worse, the disease worse. And that's what they saw in the animal trials for the 10 years. Before leading up to these genetic vaccines, they could never bring one to market. I think the RSV was tried in some children that was deadly. But it, it, it's a priming, it's hard to explain in layman's terms, but it's a priming or rent original antigenic sin where you're, you're, you're making someone very sensitive to one element. And when another variant of that comes around, your body just kind of is going around the gerbil wheel on this one, and the other one just takes over and you have worse disease. So it's a very inefficient way of treating an illness. And it's actually why we have negative vaccine efficacy. And what that means is that getting the shots, makes you more likely to get COVID over and over. And I've seen that this summer. So,

Dr. Paul  36:45  
and this wasn't a illness traditionally that you would see in the summer.

Dr. Denise Sibley  36:50  
Now we had more viral, febrile illnesses this summer than I've ever seen in my entire practicing life. Never seen so many. And And now, you know, there are See, I was looking at the scorecard for our hospital yesterday. I think there are there's been over almost 700 people that have died since March of COVID. Really, at our hospital system, now it's a 21 facility system, and 21 counties, but and you know, I think they had if I'm remembering the right, I think it was 50 people in the hospital. So I mean, those aren't people I know, you know, that are running in my circles. But the COVID You know, the person I have had on a ventilator and on him oxygen was a foreshock person. And what do I think about the by Vaillant? So, as you know, on Wednesday before Labor Day, that was authorized emergently by the FDA. Then on the Friday, the CDC gave their good, good authorization for it. And then by Tuesday after Labor Day, it was already in our Walgreens here. Wow, I was like, Wow, that's pretty fast. How do they get to Podunk Johnson City, Tennessee, so quit over a holiday. But anyway. So the by Vaillant was tested on eight mice, and when they expose the mice, they all got it, and then they sacrificed them. No humans whatsoever. And it combines the Wuhan original strand was the BA for ba five. And who knows what happens when you combine that the mice

Dr. Paul  38:44  
don't even really know what happened to the rats because they sacrificed them. Correct. So that's research

Dr. Denise Sibley  38:51  
that anybody that you know, I just I scratched my head if you if you think that safe and I tell people, they can't understand this well, unless I use this illustration. And I don't think it's unique to me. But if he gave your dog three rabies shots in a year, and he still got rabies, what would you think

Dr. Paul  39:14  
we should give for?

Dr. Denise Sibley  39:17  
And people are like, Oh, okay, I get it. You know, so

Dr. Paul  39:23  
I like your example. Yeah, it really is.

Dr. Denise Sibley  39:26  
It makes people sicker and sicker. And now we have you know, people so sick after three, the third one, especially getting that third one and then the fourth one. And Lord forbid if you and nobody has called me that's actually admitted to the the five Eylandt. But yeah, that's kind of a funny thing, too, because I know where I stand so they'll often not. Tell me it isn't folks.

Dr. Paul  39:59  
I hope you take note of that point in that is, be honest about the fact that you've taken these jabs. Those of us who can help you will take that information and run with it so that we can really help you.

Dr. Denise Sibley  40:15  
Right? Yeah. So but yes, my ivermectin over the counter is wonderful we, I bet you I get a thout. So they're all under my name, have 22 pharmacies now, in Tennessee. So it's selected pharmacies that have entered into this very specific agreement, prescribed by the law. And it defines who can get it. And, you know, the contraindications or the reasons you can't get it. That would be if you're under 18. That was in the law. I excluded pregnant and breastfeeding women just because I'm an internist. And I don't want to go into that. And then there are certain drugs and there's just a few. But otherwise, you can walk physically into these. And you have to physically be there can't be mail order to you. You can walk physically in and get ivermectin behind the counter.

Dr. Paul  41:10  
How does one figure out which pharmacies are?

Dr. Denise Sibley  41:13  
Well, I have, we have lists, you know, and I just added one yesterday. But we have medical tourism. Now. Apparently, it's gone out everywhere. And people from Toronto, come here. People from California, I love

Dr. Paul  41:29  
talking about a life saving medication that you're being denied. I get it. So how would one reach you?

Dr. Denise Sibley  41:37  
Well, I have a website that's old, because I haven't had time to update. It's called Denise Sibley md.com.

Dr. Paul  41:45  
Well, before we wrap up, I'd be interested in your input on a couple of things. These are big questions. So okay, I can kind of cut them down into bite sized pieces. One is, what's going on? Why is this happening on such a global scale?

Dr. Denise Sibley  42:04  
It's been many years in the planning. And I was oblivious to it. But obviously, I think there are patents, and there are plenty of documents. To reference, it was not hidden, really, it was hidden to me, because I wasn't paying attention to that. But I think there are plenty of documents and scenarios, tabletop exercises, whatever, that this has been in the plan for a long time. And it is a global phenomenon. And that's one of the things that makes it so different from anything we've seen in medicine. And that's why everybody does exactly the same thing. And why doctors, you know, in another country are being censored, just like we are. So my version of it has more of a biblical perspective, that this is actually the fulfilment of some of the things in the Bible. So I'm, I'm not afraid. And I'm not scared, and definitely is. But I've heard you say faith over fear. I've got that all over my house, faith over fear. And so to me, it's a very exciting time, because we are warriors of the truth. We have boots on the ground, and I will, as Robert F. Kennedy says, I will die with my boots on even if it's unpopular, but there are few of us.

Dr. Paul  43:32  
Yep. And I've always felt like the truth is singular, but but then I get challenged by people who say, Well, no, that's your truth. I have a different truth. And we I know we have to have a dialogue to help people come along, because I mean, even you and I who are now much more aware of what's going on. We weren't aware at one point. And so you know, I mean, I remember way back when where I was saying vaccines are safe and effective. End of story.

Dr. Denise Sibley  44:05  
It is a journey and people are if they have open eyes and open ears and they want to learn that's one thing but if they have their their ears totally closed. I don't know how you know, some federal have to wake them up. But I don't sit in argue with people. I don't find that helpful.

Dr. Paul  44:26  
Well, I've so enjoyed this talk. Dr. Sibley. What would I want to have you just give last words for our audience? Maybe a message of hope.

Dr. Denise Sibley  44:38  
Well, you know, I I think it's the most exciting time to be alive. And that sounds really strange. But it's exciting because you can make such a difference. And you can be the hope that people need and help them to not hide behind their mask or to hide in their house and to say hey, there's something You can do if you get sick, you don't have to worry. You know, there are people to help. And so to me, again, my Christian worldview gives me a lot of hope. Because I know where this is headed. But just that I have something that I can give folks that can give them encouragement during this really, really dark time. And I think that's why we're here. And that's what that's what invigorates me. And why I do it all again. Even at this point, you know, I could just kind of return the grandma or something. I don't know, but, but I'm very invigorated. And I want to offer hope because there's not a lot of hope bears out there. And truth bears, and I will always be a truth bear. Even if it costs me. I, I'm fine with it. So just, you know, be the truth. And be the light. And don't be afraid. Don't be a slave of death. Because that's not good mentally, physically, socially. It's not good for you spiritually. So it's, that would be my message of hope to be a truth bear and a light bear always. And pray big like Polly Polly, Tommy says for a bit. Get out. And, and keep keep with your people. You know, community is so important. We are in a group every night. It seems like

Dr. Paul  46:38  
a man. Just like you. Just like

Dr. Denise Sibley  46:41  
you. Yep. Hi. My daughter introduced me to you. You know, my daughter introduced me to you and she's a pastry chef. And but she knew somehow that you had the words of wisdom and I listened to you. So here I am a doctor didn't even know you. And your your courageous and your methodical way. Impressive impresses young mama bears, and I'm an old grandma bear.

Dr. Paul  47:12  
I'm kind of grandpa bear with you there. And it's a real honor and a privilege to have gotten to know you. You have a very powerful message and and very gentle way of sharing it. So I think this adds a lot to our movement. And we should Circle round again at some point. Have a blessed day.

Dr. Denise Sibley  47:31  
Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Paul.

Dr. Paul  47:40  
Welcome to against the wind Bernadette pager, it's always a privilege to have you on the show you are bringing us be the news AI and today you're bringing some really important information that's just sort of been released the V safe data. So give us a little introduction on what that is and what it means for us.

Bernadette Pajer  47:59  
All right, I'd be very happy to do that. So yeah, so after more than a year, the attorney Aaron Siri and the informed consent Action Network finally managed to get the de identified V Safe App Data. And so the refocus is now that we have information to this data, let's examine what this means. So the CDC, with the COVID-19 vaccines coming out, created this app that people who got the shot could put on their smartphone and check in regularly and the app would check in with you to ask how you were doing. And so here's the address there if anybody wants to go visit that. So, you know, it's all this sort of user friendly and I personally find this a little bit offensive considering how serious the shots are and the adverse reactions happening to have all these little smiley faces and cheerful fonts and all this this is serious medical intervention here. Not cartoons. But anyway, some key facts to know the V safe debt data represents. Well, the first point is at least 262,908,000 people according to USA facts.org have received at least one dose of a COVID shot in the United States. The visa date. Go

Dr. Paul  49:25  
ahead point right there is something else. So aren't there like 300 million people in the US?

Bernadette Pajer  49:30  
I don't know the population. That's a good question. Well, it says 79% of the population has received it. That's their claim. So it astounds me and the VSA data represents 10,108,000 Approximately individual users. So the data that we're seeing there is just 3.9% of the total number of people have got a shot. The vast majority of people 90 6.1% of the people did not use this app created by the CDC. That's for whatever reason, and a lot of people have never even heard of it. And the CDC fairly quickly stopped promoting it, stop talking about it, stop making sure people used it. I wonder why?

Dr. Paul  50:18  
I wonder why we're gonna talk about that.

Bernadette Pajer  50:21  
The app has very limited pre populated symptom fields to check. And I will show you what those are. The apps free form field data has not been released yet. We'll talk about that. And it only allowed for 250 characters to type in. And you know, anybody who's tried to limit characters and making any sort of posts knows how little that is. The FDA and the CDC, prior to the release of these shots, both had lists of adverse events and special interests that they wanted to watch for that they knew the shots had biological plausibility based on the platform and the ingredients and past science that they knew to watch for. But there was none of none of those were pre populated in this app. And so as somebody was progressing, using their app to report ongoing and increasing symptoms, there was no easy way to do it, there was no way to tell them, they were experiencing it and base. And of course, the the outcome is unknown for all the app users because you know, there, there was no way you could be well one day and have a stroke the next and unless somebody was picking up your phone and entering that in for you. They weren't,

Dr. Paul  51:38  
we might have underreporting of deaths,

Bernadette Pajer  51:41  
and the reporting of deaths Vera DFE. Safe, it's not where deaths are being reported. Definitely

Dr. Paul  51:46  
report your death if you're already dead.

Bernadette Pajer  51:49  
Exactly. So they had three categories of adverse health outcomes that the BCF Safe app was asking about if you were unable to perform normal activities, if you missed work or school, or if you required medical care. They asked about that. It freeform, again, limited to 250 characters, and these are the symptoms that you could check the box and then degree of severity that you're experiencing. And you can see that these, these could be severe. But most of them aren't things that you know, when you look at loss of appetite, sleepiness, chills, nausea, you know, general unwellness, they certainly don't represent the severe adverse reactions that people are reporting to theirs, and being reported all over. So I wanted to give you an idea back in 2021, in the spring, an individual in Washington State was severely injured by the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. And I guess we call that one a shot as well, because it's DNA technology. It's different. It's close to the mRNA. It still makes your body produce spike protein. But anyway, this was her freeform text, there's a little snapshot where she her symptoms were getting progressively worse, and she had to keep going to the ER and her health was just spiraling and she was really afraid. And here's one just show she's typing helped me. And they are not helping her. Nobody from the CDC is getting back to her. We have heard some people have heard from the CDC, but not everybody is being helped or being reached out to by the CDC. And she's been keeping a highly detailed record of everybody she has reached out to including the pharmaceutical company. And it's going to be amazing when her data all comes out. She's writing a book about the experience. Here is a list of the preliminary list of adverse events of special interests that the CDC and FDA both knew to look for. And there's an article on informed choice ba.org. There's the link, if anybody wants to go read the full page with links to the the Virbac meeting where these were presented the FTAs vaccine and related biological advisory committee meetings where these were presented prior to authorization of the shots. Dr. Paul, what do you think about some of those health issues listed?

Dr. Paul  54:25  
Well, there's some serious stuff there.

Bernadette Pajer  54:28  
And have you have you seen any of that reported to you, too, there's too in the media?

Dr. Paul  54:36  
Well, yeah, there's some of that and there's for sure, myocarditis, for example.

Bernadette Pajer  54:41  
You know what I looked through it, it I believe they have all been, yeah, every single one of those has been reported to VAERS in some form, and some of them quite a bit. And there are some things I don't think it had that a couple of things that have shown up in high numbers that aren't there. Are we seeing um, have appendicitis. That one is showing up quite a lot of errors and the tinnitus. I don't see tinnitus listed. Not a complete list. But this is what they were going to be looking for. And yet there was no way to report it. Unless you free texted it in that app, you know, as things went forward. So wonderfully, I can decide they must have hired some amazing programmers who are ready to go with a program that allows you to search the data once it came in, because the day they got it, this went up. It's fantastic. So everyone can go to I can decide.org, backslash v dash safe dash data and get to this wonderful forum where you can explore you can do some research and find out what you can on the limited data provided you can see what's what's there. And and you'll see that about a third of the people had their health impacted, in 1.2 million reported. See what was the category there? Well, point 8 million had to seek medical attention. required medical attention 1.3 million Mr. Worker school, and 1.2 million have their normal activities interrupted. So this, this data is going to be good to have. It is limited, but I know a lot of people are doing a deep dive to see what they can make of it to try to paint a better picture and we'll bring you that information as it comes along.

Dr. Paul  56:50  
Yeah, this burned out. This is a new, very important resource of vaccine injury. Unfortunately, most of the studies were control groups or destroy they were not doing any ongoing studies, Pfizer, moderna, all of them. So this is a great resource. I just read an article on CHD children's health defense published on October 3, or fourth. And they'd already discovered in this data that just went up. At that point, just less than a million people were seeking medical attention emergency room care or hospitalization following the vaccine and 2.5 million missed work school or normal activities as a result of the vaccine, massive numbers of significant injury. So and as important.

Bernadette Pajer  57:43  
Sorry about that. Yeah, go ahead. Well, like you know, I can't help thinking when I look at that one that you could check for like a stomach ache. And I think of Maddie Degray. And when she was in the clinical trial, and she to the clinical trial, limited what you could easily report on their standard forms. And early on, you know, it's like, well, stomachache, you know, they were her mother was trying to find out what to check, right. And that's what she ended up being officially reported with, not in a wheelchair paralyzed, unable to eat seizures, all the other things that actually happened to her. This is alarming, because as you know, we cannot make good public policy decisions. We can't make good individual health decisions without good data. And this is so infuriating. We were promised when these products were released, that that the CDC and the FDA and all the federal agencies were going to use, they listed four or five different monitoring systems that they would use. All of them suffer from quality issues from under reporting. And then lack of access, like the vaccine safety DataLink data, which might be able to actually really answer some questions they don't give anybody access to. And what the new study just came out on aluminum adjuvants, and this by the CDC themselves, because they were tasked to study certain conditions related to exposure to pediatric vaccines, and they their analysis of the VSD data show that the more aluminum you're exposed to, the more your risk of persistent asthma goes up. It took them how many decades to do this study. Right? Why weren't they doing it all along? Right. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  59:43  
So that's a topic I jack lines we learned I published about the fact that the CDC schedule creates a situation with regards to aluminum, where infants are above toxic levels for the first seven months of their lives. Yes, 30% of the time, if you're four Following the CDC schedule, yes, it's tragic.

Bernadette Pajer  1:00:04  
So if we're going to have a couple of decades delay of finding out the truth of these COVID shots, and the amount of injury is so blatantly in your face, what do we do about it? Dr. Paul, how do we get the public health agencies done? Let me give you one example, if I may. In Washington State, the the state now the Office of Financial Management, which oversees public employees, state employees has just mandated the COVID shots permanently. And we sent them and hundreds of people sent them current data and published studies on the shots, how they don't prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization, DAFI injuries, the whole thing? What did they write back? We reviewed all the comments sent in. But the CDC says says the vaccines are safe and effective. Wow. So how do we get that's our big challenge. Dr. Paul, how do we get checks and balances into this public health system where nobody feels responsible at any stage, for the outcome of pushing these products, we have got to figure that out.

Dr. Paul  1:01:19  
We've got our we got our work cut out, we have to educate the population so they can fight for their own rights, for bodily integrity, and just say no to any kind of experimental jab. Folks, we have too much information. I mean, you're you're seeing it right now with his V save data. And, and then, sadly, state by state, we fight through legislation. I know you're very involved with that. And you've actually had a success in Tennessee with getting ivermectin over the counter. Good job there. To help change the laws so that the these public health officials can't just declare an emergency and do whatever they want.

Bernadette Pajer  1:01:59  
Exactly, exactly. And we're up to it. So everybody be the news, because we need to spread it. You know, just because you are awakened, aware, and you feel like everybody must see what I see. It never, you know, it still surprises me. I step outside my bubble. And I speak to somebody who is aligned with me, but on some topics they haven't heard yet, because the censorship is so strong. And sometimes we forget when we're in this bubble of good information, that most of the world is not in our good bubble. And we have to burst the bubble and get it out there. So it takes hand walking the information.

Dr. Paul  1:02:39  
Yeah, yeah. Well, thanks for helping us burst the bowl Berger, always a shining light and a good example of how to do research and how to get to the real crux of the matter and the truth of the matter. So thanks again for your help with against the wind.

Bernadette Pajer  1:02:55  
Thank you, Dr. Paul. Take care.

Dr. Paul  1:03:02  
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