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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Paul Welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. Today's episode features my interview with Dr. Hater. My go to doc.com he speaks about medical racism, his extensive experience treating COVID-19 and the backlash he got for doing so. I then interviewed mom Anna, who talks about her children's vaccine injuries, how she discovered them, what she did about them, and then her fight in the health freedom space. We ended out with Casey Ryan wave, he was the emcee down in Salem at the freedom rally. And he also talks about what it's been like for musicians in this COVID era. Enjoy the show.

Welcome Dr. Paul here from the heart. By the time you see this, I will have been at the unite for freedom rally in downtown Portland, Oregon on the waterfront. It's been a long time coming to get a gathering a large gathering of freedom lovers, right here in Portland, Oregon. We've got Dell big tree flying in from out of town, Kevin Jenkins, and many others Tom wrens. This will be an opportunity for those who want to stand for freedom. Speak the truth to gather right here in my hometown of Portland, Oregon. One frustration I do have is that I'm not free to really speak about everything that's on my heart due to censorship, and some of the issues I've faced that many of you are aware of. But that does provide me with a different kind of opportunity. A challenge, if you will, I get to really focus on hope, building bridges, trying to give a message that parents can latch on to how do we deal with this world that we're living in right now? How do we unite? How do we reach across to those others who maybe feel differently than we do? So that's what I'm going to attempt to do. I just want to thank all of you who have supported this show who have supported me. Everything you do means the world to me, this has not been easy, but it's a wonderful time to know that there is a rainbow and the stars shine brightest when it's darkest. Thanks for your attention and your love. I'm Dr. Paul.

Welcome Dr. hider. Two against the witch doctors in science under fire. It is a real privilege to have you on the show.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  2:27  
Great to be here. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me. I mean, you're like a You're a legend for me. So I'm, you know, it's an honor to be here with you.

Dr. Paul  2:33  
Well, thank you for those kind words, you know, reading up about you, You're a legend to me, too, you are undertaking a very important task. So you finished a full three year residency in Internal Medicine in New York Methodist Hospital. Boy, you did hospitalist Internal Medicine work for 10 years. Those of you who are watching who don't know what that means, the hospitalists are the doc's in the hospital 24/7 taking care of all the most complicated patients. So I mean, you know your stuff. But what I really love about your background is you're also trained in functional medicine, lifestyle, medicine, Chinese medicine, and then what endears you to my heart even more, because clearly you have heart? Since December 2020, you focused your entire work on prevention and treatment of COVID-19. I mean, what a huge need we've had in this country for that. So thank you very much for that.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  3:26  
It's my pleasure. And really, I mean, it was like, there was no one else or very few people doing it, and so few that there's not enough to meet the demand, especially when you have like a big wave, you know, a spike in infections. You know, there's just a tremendous demand for for these medications, a lot of people kind of put it off to the last minute, they wait until the wave hits and or they get infected or they think they're infected. And at that point in time, we get like backed up by weeks, you know, and just overwhelmed.

Dr. Paul  3:54  
You have used a term that I would love to chat with you a little bit about and that's medical racism. I read where you you said racism has no place in medicine, race based protocols only perpetuate racial hatred, without improving the health outcomes of minority groups who are better served by doctors who prescribe based on individual risk factors. Just to elaborate a little bit about what you're seeing happening here with with everything.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  4:19  
So So again, this is one of these inroads that we need to block right and the federal government I mean, this, I think on its face is unconstitutional and illegal for the federal government or the state governments to get into, you know, choosing you know, or saying that we're going to categorize people based on race to give them access to certain things. So the where this started was with the FDA emergency use authorization for so trova Mab which is the only monoclonal antibody, currently approved as an emergency use for Omicron. So the others had their emergency use authorizations revoked, so trova was the only one that was allowed. And in the emergency use authorization for trova Mab they mentioned you know, the usual risk factors age And you know, diabetes and high blood pressure and you know, immunosuppression and cancer, you know, that might make somebody eligible to be kind of at the head of the line for these very limited quantities of this drug. Right. So it's extremely limited. And so we have to, you know, kind of like, make sure the highest risk people get access to it first. And so after they go through the usual suspects of what makes you higher risk, they have another paragraph saying that race and ethnicity may make you higher risk based on long standing, you know, systemic racism essentially, is what they're pointing at, you know, the fact that certain racial groups may have different outcomes from COVID-19. And so I looked into like, the data, and there's really conflicting data. And it's, it's very, it's biased, right? So like, at the end of the day, you have to put yourself in the shoes of the researchers, right? Like, how are they approaching and thinking about the world and about their careers, right? They know that if I come up with something that kind of like plugs into, like the national conversation in a certain way, I'll get a lot of citations on this paper, you know, my career will take off, you know, that they're always looking for that homerun, kind of like sexy kind of, you know, research paper that they can come up with. And so sometimes they'll cherry pick the data, sometimes they'll cherry pick a certain time period, or they'll take they'll disaggregate groups. So they'll take like, a bunch of Caucasians from over here and compare them to a bunch of African Americans from over there, right. So there's all kinds of funny business they can play around with to get the results that will make headlines, right. And so that appears to be what's happening here. But even given all of that, so I one of the largest studies that was done in this space around, you know, racial differences and outcomes with COVID-19 was done in California by Kaiser Permanente, they took a group of 3.5 million, nearly 3.5 million patients. And so they saw on that study that the non Caucasians, the people that African Americans, Asians, Hispanics, they were catching COVID at a higher rate than being hospitalized, the higher rate, okay. But the Caucasians were actually dying at higher rates in this study, and significantly higher, like three times higher, I think, then, than the Asian population. So if anything, I mean, you would, might argue that we should, you know, apportion most of these antibodies to people who are dying at higher rates. But at the end of the day, I don't really think that we're looking at racial differences, we're looking at socio economic differences. And I think some people would argue that points to what we would call systemic racism. So generations of, you know, downtrodden racial groups having a different socioeconomic status in the modern world than other groups, right. So some people, some groups may be, on average, richer, for example, right. So African Americans for decades weren't given access to home loans, so they couldn't build family wealth, and generational wealth. So I understand all of that, you know, that kind of argument. So like, on the ground, for example, I've worked in probably a dozen states at this point across across the country. And you'll go to some hospitals. And, and I've seen this, I've seen it in the in the Deep South, like in South Carolina, every single nurse in a hospital will be African American, and mostly women, okay, some men mixed in, you know, a couple of other races mixed in, but like 99%, African American, every nurse in that hospital, and the doctors will primarily be, you know, Caucasians, some African Americans, but you know, the, the skew is completely different. And the bankers in the town might all be white, right, with a couple of African Americans, you know, so in the pandemic, you know, if you were in this town with a bunch of African American nurses on the frontlines of the pandemic, and you just looked at a certain little snapshot at the beginning, obviously, they're gonna be the ones who are catching it first, right? And you might say that, Oh, African American women are, you know, at much higher risk of catching COVID-19 than any other racial or you know, you know, sex group, right in this town. And that would be a faulty reasoning, right? I mean, they've chosen to be nurses, they know the risk, and, and then all the people who are working at home, obviously, are gonna get it last, right? If they even have gotten it yet, right. So the bankers and whoever, you know, on Wall Street is working from home, they're not going to be catching it. So so at the end of the day, it's a socio economic difference. And and perhaps there's an element of vitamin D in there thrown in as well. So, you know, darker skinned people have lower vitamin D levels. I think some some data suggests that they need they don't need as high vitamin D levels to begin with. But you know, again, you know, the studies there, they're not super great quality studies, but there are some studies out there suggesting that this might be accounting for some of the differences in the ratio outcomes, vitamin D. And, and I would say the answer to that is obviously vitamin D, it's not stroeve a map, right? The answer is give them vitamin D. You know, and, but so what happens is you can run a thought experiment, right? What if you know, you know, a rich black banker, who's like 25 years old shows up at your door with COVID-19 He has no comorbidities nothing. He's healthy. He was an Olympic athlete, right? And then you know, a elderly white obese diabetic, white man, you know shows up Who is poor and he just lost a job as a trucker. These two people, if a doctor looks at them, they will easily be able to pick which patient is at higher risk, it doesn't matter. You can switch the races they the doctor still knows who's at higher risk. Right, right. I mean, it's obviously the elderly, white obese diabetic and, and so putting the, you know, the young African Americans headline is not going to fix systemic racism, right? Like giving him so trova Mab isn't going to help him. It's not going to like really improve his outcomes. Yeah. And it's not going to improve his you know, any other outcomes for any other African Americans, we're actually at risk. Right. So that was the point that we don't need to consider race. Yeah, all we really need to consider is what we are already considering. And we've always considered, you know, for decades, and I don't think there is any really convincing evidence to show that COVID-19 strikes different races differently based on their race.

Dr. Paul  10:52  
So I'm really, really interested in your perspective on how dangerous COVID is, how many patients have you treated? And what kind of outcomes have you had.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  11:02  
So I mean, at this point, it's been about 5000, more than 5000, who had the acute infection when they came to me, right, and another more than 30,000, who came to me in saying that we want to prevent catching COVID in the first place, or we want to have medicine on hand in case we catch it. So so out of the people who took it as prevention, in my experience, less than one in 1000 came back with the active virus. And, and the people who took it as treatment, you know, out of more than 5000 You would have expected to see if I told them to go home, do nothing, you know, take maybe Tylenol and just wait until you can't breathe and go to hospital. You know, that approach, you know, to health care of COVID-19 should have ended up in me seeing more than 300 to 400 patients hospitalized out of 5005 to six patients dying. Okay, I should have seen five to six deaths in a group of 5000 we only had five hospitalizations, no one died. Right? So really incredible outcomes and the 44 to five were hospitalized started late, right like like they started treatment pretty late. And you know that that we know you know early treatment is really the key. And then one of them was hospitalized not because of COVID but because of a side effect of fluvoxamine. So fluvoxamine extremely, you know, effective and safe and well tolerated in my experience, but it's gonna have more side effects than ivermectin. That's incredible.

Dr. Paul  12:22  
I have to highlight this for our listeners, five hospitalizations out of 5000. Sick, relatively high risk, older population, because you're an internal medicine, I'm pediatric, my population, I have 10,000 patients, not a single one in the hospital, but their kids kids do great. But that's amazing. So walk us through. Now I know I went I became your patient. Just this week, I went to my go to doc.com. That's Dr. hiders. website. And it's pretty easy, about 15 minutes to fill out all the paperwork, you do a very detailed job of getting the information you need. So you can do a good assessment.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  13:01  
So people can sign up for free at my website, they can at request all this information for free, really, they can get a free ebook, and they can chat with me and my staff without any charge. And you can you can get the protocols you can ask all your questions you can, you know, figure out whether it's right for you without paying any doctor's fee. And the other thing, some people have big families, some people literally can't afford a doctor's fee. You can ask us to lower the fee or waive our doctor's fee and then you'll just have to pay for the cost of the medications. And what we've done in that regard is search out the lowest cost pharmacies for ivermectin, they can't use insurance for ivermectin anymore, you can't go to your local like CVS or Walgreens or Walmart or any of those pharmacies and get it dispensed anymore. I mean, some states it's like nearly impossible, but in all 50 states, the pharmacies themselves don't allow their pharmacists to dispense these medications. So we had to find, you know, mail order pharmacies, and we looked for the cheapest ones. I mean, we called probably more than 1000 pharmacies across around the country and screened them and made sure that they're okay with ivermectin and then chose the ones that were the cheapest. So, you know, just to comparison, you know, some pharmacies sell ivermectin like a five day course for 1000 bucks. And in our pharmacies, you can get a 14 day course of ivermectin for less than $150. Across the board. It's like 70 to $150 for that much ivermectin. So it's really hard to beat that price. And that was, you know, one of the things I really struggled with, because patients come to me and say, I can afford your fee, but I can't afford the medicine. Right, folks,

Dr. Paul  14:29  
come to me often, and I'm sure they do to you as well. They've gotten the shot. And now they're regretting it because they're clearly starting to have new things happen to them that they suspect are related to the vaccine. What do you recommend for those folks? You know, people will use the term detox, but whether you use that term or you're just treating, what are you finding is most helpful?

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  14:51  
Yeah, so So we basically it's very similar to long COVID It has its slightly different kind of flavor than long COVID is it's usually more targeted symptoms and long COVID more specific, like one or two, versus like a whole panoply of symptoms that you have long COVID. But it's basically the same etiology, right? It's the spike protein, and it hasn't left your body. And so Bruce Patterson has done great work on this from a scientific and lab perspective, right, like he's got a lab up and running called SL dx, you can find him at COVID, long ahlers.com. And so I refer a lot of people to get that lab test. But the FLCC, you know, pure Corys group, they have protocols for long COVID that we also use for vaccine side effects. And they're very effective. It's much more effective to prevent long COVID And vaccine side effects like you treat the you can actually treat people while they're getting the shot. If they have to take it if they have no choice. And they feel like they're boxed in and they can't lose their job. I would actually give people ivermectin because it binds to the spike protein, right? So I would kind of pre treat you if possible. But if you come to me with these kind of vaccine injuries, I've treated probably hundreds of this point of vaccine injured patients. And a lot of them have tremendous results with ivermectin, sometimes fluvoxamine we use, but there's a whole whole slew of drugs, like prednisone, even, you know, can help a lot. It's inflammation. So the primary thing that Bruce Patterson has found that seems to be causing this is spike protein in what they call nonclassical monocytes. So these monocytes in your body, their immune system cells, and they've become kind of, like immortal, and they're not dying off, and they have spike protein in them. And they're triggering inflammation, like just that, you know, they shouldn't be active, they shouldn't be inflamed, because there's no reason there's no virus anymore. But the spike protein is driving them to create inflammation, and it's causing these symptoms. And so the the basically the, the approach is to, you know, help them kind of like die, you know, these, these cells that have died a long time ago, and get them out of your body, get rid of the spike protein from from those cells and from your body, and to also tamp down the inflammation that's being caused by them until they're gone. So that that these drugs help to do that. And so the same drugs we use to prevent and treat COVID we use for vaccine injuries. And this is really important for people understand that like a lot of people, if you had some new strange symptoms develop after the vaccine, think, you know, think vaccine injury, because your doctors probably will not

Dr. Paul  17:12  
correct Yeah, we just, most doctors don't make the connection at all, they just somehow are under the spell of vaccines are safe and effective. So tell our listeners how they can get a hold of you. And any final thoughts of whatever you feel you need. You want people to know.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  17:27  
Yeah, so it's my go to doc.com. That's mygotodoc.com, you know, just spelled out the way it sounds. And like I said, Before, you can come and get, you can download the free ebook, if you come by the website, it'll tell you all the things you can take over the counter, right, like hydrogen peroxide and mouth wash and gargoyles. And nose rinses, something you can get yourself right over the counter, you dilute it down to 1%. And it's such an effective treatment. And before you get sick, or even in the first few days, it just kills the virus in your nose and mouth where where it's trying to enter. And then it talks about vitamin C D zinc Coursey in. And then all the things like turmeric and black seed oil that you can do yourself, right, if you're not really a big medicine person, you can do really well just taking those things before you get sick after you get sick. And there's even like a long haul protocol to help people. She talks about diet and activity levels and you know, different things that you can do for long COVID Without even a doctor. And then if you do have other questions, you can register as a patient and you can ask all the questions you want. Without it without charge. So that's that's one thing different about my site that you can ask questions without being charged for it indefinitely. So that I think is a great service. And I used to be on Twitter, but now I'm on Gab, I don't check it as often as Twitter. I mean, thank God is not as addictive as Twitter. So that's a good thing. But it's at Dr. Syed highter on gab. It's a Dr. Syed hai. Dr. So yeah, I think I would just end with saying that, that the really important thing to remember is, so there's a couple of things. I don't think this is over yet, you know, like Gert VandenBosch is warning us. And he's kind of been right all along so far. So I have trouble doubting him that, you know, the vaccines are driving the creation of, you know, variants and new variants that will evade the vaccines and evade them, possibly the immune system. Unfortunately, I know a lot of people, myself included who were sitting pretty thinking that they they were fine with natural immunity. I had it at the very beginning. And then I caught Omicron right. And I mean, it was clearly Omicron my whole family had it and so that their breakthrough infections with even natural immunity now, just because it's so contagious, and who knows what's gonna happen next, you know, will there be another variant in 3456 months? I mean, I think it's very likely at this point, because we continue to vaccinate heavily and we're vaccinating the children who are kind of like sponges for viruses. I mean, they were kind of like our best chance at population level immunity. They just soak it up and they don't spread it right. They catch it They don't release it, you know, that's that they're like, you know, they were the built in, you know, immunity of the population against this infection and now we're, you know, disrupting their immune systems with the vaccines. And, and unfortunately, there's evidence showing that the vaccines become like night may become negatively effective, right, make you more prone to catching the virus after like two to three months. So this whole booster program and you know, they're developing new vaccines, and they just keep chasing this virus that you can't catch, right? It's gonna be out compete them, you know, and the vaccines, you know, right now we're developing vaccines for Omicron by the time if they ever become ready, we're gonna be like seven variants along right down the road. So

Dr. Paul  20:39  
it is insanity didn't make any absolute insanity. Yeah, goodness. Well, thank you so much, folks. If you want some really good information, I've gone to this my go to Doc calm. I'm not trying to be a big promoter. But Dr. hider, you are doing amazing work. And I love the fact that the information is provided for free. So you are really helping our world. And it was such a pleasure talking to you.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  21:06  
Yeah, thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here. And I wish you all the best and yeah, I mean, I also encourage people you know, I've donated to your cause and I encourage other people to donate go by Dr. Anderson's Maji still have like a GoFundMe or something or gifts and go,

Dr. Paul  21:20  
it's Dr. Paul's fight calm. Yeah.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  21:24  
Yeah. So I would tell people to go to Dr. Paul's fight calm because this, we really have to, you know, get behind the doctors who are on the front lines who are doing the good work that so many people are not doing right. I mean, it's just so few people who are fighting back against this medical tyranny. You're one of them and I thank you so much, because I have children, you know, I don't want them to grow up in a society where they're, you know, held down and forced to take jabs. You know, 60 7080 jabs as they're growing up. I'm actually folks

Dr. Paul  21:51  
do support Dr. Hyder, I know, when you go and you get information, you get informed, you get educated, he's got a button where you can also support him because he's doing so much of this for free. And he's under a massive amount of attack, probably more than I am. Because you're out there. You're just doing what needs to be done. You're helping people. You're speaking the truth, even though some might classify it as misinformation disinformation is pure science. We know that you and I both know you're just sharing good scientific information. And you're helping people. So God bless you. And thank you for all you're doing.

Dr. Syed Haider, MD  22:24  
Thank you. God bless.

Dr. Paul  22:29  
welcome Anna, two against the wind doctors and science under fire. It's a real honor to have you on the show.

Anna  22:35  
Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here.

Dr. Paul  22:38  
I have heard great things about you. You're a real health freedom advocate. And you got into this position, I think through living through what went on with your children. I was wondering if maybe you could share a little bit about what happened with your children?

Anna  22:54  
Well, both my kids at birth had nine Apgar scores perfectly healthy kids. And they, you know, they slept great. They both slept through the night at eight weeks old. It's like they knew I had to get back to work. So I'm perfect eight well slept well. And with my oldest, at about 16 months old, things completely changed. She just everything changed about her. And I you know, I used to joke that the devil had taken over my child because it completely changed. And we started going to psychologist to try to figure out what what happened. We had a lot of doors slammed in our face, she was too young to diagnose with anything.

Dr. Paul  23:46  
What were happening. Um,

Anna  23:49  
she, you know, she was head banging all the time. And they told me it was normal. She would just the tantrums and I would put her in bed with us and she would yank my hair and you know, she would beat up every child in sight. If she would make 10 year olds cry and 16 months old.

Dr. Paul  24:12  
And prior to that, she'd been a happy calm baby.

Anna  24:16  
Yeah. And so we lost a lot of friends because of that. And it was hard to experience. You know, we did a trip to Hawaii and there was a five year old little boy who kept teasing her as well. But, you know, the parents would get upset that she was you know, being defiant and she she would try to hit the boy. And, you know, we did everything we could to calm her down. And, you know, aside from tying her down, you know, we tried everything but yeah,

Dr. Paul  24:49  
I wonder if you had this situation happen, which happened for me a little bit with I have three biological sons and they were all so hyper and looking back on Pretty sure the CDC vaccine schedule I had them on was not doing them any favors. But so kids who are super hyper aggressive, impulsive. In your case, it sounded really extreme with probable, you know, brain inflammation and pain that it was just causing all these things to happen. And your your friends and family just think you don't know how to parent?

Anna  25:22  
Yeah, it was hard. Yeah, it's hard. And, and it wasn't until she was five, that, you know, she started kindergarten, then they were able to really evaluate her. And they, you know, ask her teachers questions, and the teachers had to fill out a form for the psychologist, and they did end up diagnosing her with ADHD and oppositional defiance disorder. And then a month later, they diagnosed her with celiac disease. So autoimmune. Yep. And luckily for us, with her going on a gluten free diet helped drastically with the behavior problems. And, you know, and then, as she got older, you know, things improved, and, you know, she had been seeing a neurologist, and she was two and a half now was with us trying to get diagnoses. And and so, you know, they did end up diagnosing her with all these things, but then, and we managed to recover her. But me not knowing quite the connection with the vaccines, I continue to vaccinate her. And it wasn't until she was 10 years old that going into seventh grade, they required the meningitis and the teat out boosters. And I took her in and she got the top booster that day. And within a couple of weeks, she had developed encephalitis.

Dr. Paul  26:53  
Wow. So she looked like, well,

Anna  26:57  
overnight, literally overnight. She started taking she had motor facial motor tics, severe anxiety, severe OCD. And I kind of, you know, kind of put it off, I thought it was more attention seeking behavior because of the baby. And it wasn't until she came up to me and said, Mommy, please help me. My brain keeps telling me to do something. And if I don't do it, I can't do anything else. And, and so at that point, I just I dove into research. And I took her to the neurologist that we had initially seen, and they tried to diagnose her with pandas. And the markers weren't there. They just weren't. And, you know, I don't believe in coincidences that. That she just had the shot the shot and then right, next thing we're dealing with this. So

Dr. Paul  27:58  
millions of coincidences out there, right. T shirt that said vaccines are the number one cause of coincidences? Yes, absolutely. Sad. We're laughing and I'm sorry, because I know this has been really hard for you. But it's so sad that, you know, parents can take a dose of penicillin and get a allergic reaction go to their doctor, and their doctor says, oh, yeah, you're having an allergic reaction. There's a cause and effect. But if it has anything to do with vaccines, it's just, you're met with denial, I imagine. Right?

Anna  28:31  
Yeah, it's been really hard. The pediatrician kind of stopped, you know, she stopped questioning us. I did end up signing the form that I will no longer vaccinate my children. But knowing the the issues that my my daughter went through with all the diagnoses she just, she understood all those she's very pro VAPs that the practice is very pro bass, but she won't bother me about it anymore. And get

Dr. Paul  29:02  
kicked out. So that's a that's a plus at least. Yes. Your daughter now and that your older daughter, how old is she now? And how is she doing?

Anna  29:10  
She is six. She'll be 17. In May. She still deals with the tics. We've managed to heal her. The neurologist that we were working with. She actually used to work for Phoenix children's hospital and she left because they didn't like the fact that she treats with homeopathic and natural

Dr. Paul  29:32  
herbs. You found somebody that was helping you in that way.

Anna  29:35  
Yeah. And so we've managed to heal her. And so it's just the minor tics that we deal with. But the neurologist did test for you know, she six pages of blood work and you know, there's past infections for cytomegalovirus and adenovirus and those things that she's testing positive for For we're trying to treat her and read her reset blobs from November. So mercury and arsenic and her blood, and it's not showing in her urine, which means she's not getting rid of it reading it. Yes. And so she's she was placed on cilantro, cilantro jobs, Ceylon teardrops, to help kind of get rid of the heavy metals. But I'm just glad that she's being treated homeopathically. And naturally,

Dr. Paul  30:34  
yeah. What other things have you done to help recover your oldest daughter?

Anna  30:40  
Um, a lot of it has been, you know, they did have to put her on antibiotics for several months because of the encephalitis. Other than that, the only other thing that wasn't natural was an anti inflammatory, to help reduce it. But other than that, it's it's really just been, you know, the natural herbs that that we've tried. And when my youngest, it was just, you know, chronic ear infections. And she had four ear tubes, surgeries in the first four years of her life.

Dr. Paul  31:21  
Oh, so how vaccinated is your youngest, and she was vaccinated till age two. Okay. And so then just tons of ear infections those first four years? Yeah, that was the story for my boys for sure.

Anna  31:35  
Yeah. And, you know, with her, she's, she's also got asthma. So we deal with asthma as you know, when she was little during winter time, it was, you know, severe asthma and croup. croup was huge for her and we end up in the ER, quite often to get up in our friend breathing treatments. Because, yeah,

Dr. Paul  32:00  
and how has she done neurologically? Developmentally? Is she okay?

Anna  32:06  
She's, she's doing good. She She also has a minor text as well. Um, but other than than the text, both of them are doing pretty good.

Dr. Paul  32:18  
So it sounds like you're fairly convinced that, you know, their health problems are vaccine related?

Anna  32:24  
Absolutely. Yeah, I know, I'm 100% Positive. That's what it's from.

Dr. Paul  32:29  
I mean, you've done your research. My own data showed increased infections, the more vaccinated you were, this is something that most doctors are not aware of. And so, you know, when you hear stories like yours, they'll go well, that has nothing to do with vaccines, or, you know, that asthma or ATD, or ADHD, or OCD, or they don't see the connection. But when you find those studies that are vaccine vaccine, you look for it, it's there.

Anna  32:57  
The biggest thing that woke me up really is I kept all my kids medical records. So I sat down one day and literally input everything into an Excel spreadsheet. Every doctor visit every surgery every shot. Literally every time they had to go to the doctor or the hospital. And I sorted it by date. And you literally see that connection was, you know, shots of respiratory infection shots, you know, diarrhea, shots, ear infection, and just to see that on paper and that timeline, and I cried, I cried for hours, and thinking I did this to my kids. My ignorance did this to my children. But not not, you know, unfortunately, not every parent keeps those records. I was lucky enough to have them

Dr. Paul  33:51  
and diligent enough to do that detailed work. What message would you like to say to the parents that might be listening right now?

Anna  34:00  
Well, you know, I think it's been pretty obvious the fact that these three letter agencies, you know, their push for, you know, for these shots for kids, it's obvious that this isn't about health. This is about do what we tell you to do, and they profit from it. We've seen the 1000s of myocarditis, Paradise cases, and we've also seen that children aren't impacted by this. And it breaks my heart to think that six months old, might be getting these injections and they can't verbalize what is happening to them. It absolutely breaks my heart and I I want parents not to blindly trust their physicians and to do their research. I never got informed consent. I was never given informed consent and they just it just doesn't happen. In the regular world, you know, unless they're doctors like you that want to give that to their, to their patients, and then you're shut down. But I think doctors need to also be stopped being afraid and stand up for what is right. If they're in it to help people, then they truly need to help people and not be afraid to come out and say this is wrong. And I did see this morning that the CDC is considering extending the limit the time limit between doses to reduce the risk of myocarditis. Like that's really gonna change anything.

Dr. Paul  35:40  
acknowledgment that myocarditis is real. They have acknowledged that. Yeah, no, absolutely, folks, your your pediatrician, unless they're one of the rare ones that has, you know, become aware of vaccine injury and and made the connection that all or so much of what we see in pediatrics that we just didn't connect at all to vaccines. That there, there's more to look at here, what we need is more data, not less, but we are gathering enough data backs down vac studies, the true way to figure out what's going on, that they need to rethink the whole thing. And when it comes to COVID, please, this is not a vaccine, this is Gene therapy. And it's causing our bodies to make a toxic spike protein that we now know is extremely dangerous. Well, thank you so much for being active and educating others. And carrying on this fight. I'm absolutely with you if we can help one more person. So God bless you for your great work. And if you have any closing thoughts, you get one last shot at it.

Anna  36:52  
Just do your research. I can't say that enough. Your baby's life is worth the research. And research doesn't include, you know, CDC or the FDA sites. My website has a ton of information, my blog sites, fighting for az.blogspot.com. And I have your studies on there as

Dr. Paul  37:16  
well. So say your website one more time slowly

Anna  37:20  
fighting for the number four az.blogspot.com.

Dr. Paul  37:25  
Very good. So we'll put a link to that. Thank you so much for doing that research making that available. And God bless you.

Anna  37:33  
Thank you so much you as well.

Dr. Paul  37:41  
Welcome Casey, two against the wind doctrines and science under fire. You are also known as rhyme wave. I love that name.

Casey Rhymewave  37:47  
Thank you very much. Yeah, I was excited when I found out nobody else had claimed it as their as their music alias.

Dr. Paul  37:54  
So you're an independent underground hip hop artist based out of the Pacific Northwest. And your songs are there to spread a message of love freedom and unity. I just love that. My team met you at the Medical freedom rally in Oregon at the Oregon State Capitol. And I'm sorry, I wasn't there to see you in person. But I just heard raving things about your message your music. So thank you for coming on the show.

Casey Rhymewave  38:19  
Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I wish I could say that would be the last rally that we'll have to have. But I have a feeling there will likely be some more. So hopefully catch you up the next one. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  38:29  
absolutely. So just to kind of kick things off so we can get to know you a little bit. Tell me about the influences you've had in your life. Why you chose hip hop and maybe your musical background?

Casey Rhymewave  38:41  
Yeah, absolutely. So I've always been an artist, I had wonderful parents to put me in art classes put me in piano lessons really facilitated that craft when I was a child. So I became pretty obsessed with music early on in my life. I would, you know, listen to the radio all day, spend all my money on CDs. And when I got into playing music, initially it was piano and guitar. And then right around the time that I started high school, I discovered this thing called underground hip hop. And I had been listening to rap music on the radio, you know, kind of enjoying it, but not really identifying with it, or thinking that it was something that I could do. And when I first heard underground hip hop, instantly, it was kind of like this moment where I knew something that I needed to do and being that young I you know, I didn't necessarily see it being something I would continue to do over the next 20 years. But yeah, essentially underground hip hop. It's independent rap music, kind of outside of the mainstream that tends to focus on more poetic lyrics, more you know, complex vocabulary, deeper ideas, typically less material realistic, less focused on some of the more negative aspects of our culture. So I started writing when I was in high school took me a while to really put it out there and share it with people. And then, you know, slowly over time just kept building. So I'm, I'm at the point now where I'm playing shows pretty regularly working on music every day, and really kind of trying to turn it into a job as much as I can in these in these COVID times. What I do a lot of other artists, well, I do visual art. And yeah, I studied filmmaking when I was in college. So I've always loved the arts music, to me is just kind of the thing that calls to me the most and what I feel like my purposes here.

Dr. Paul  40:46  
Awesome. And and what I love is you've chosen to, I've always seen rap music as poetry and like you said, the mainstream stuff, sometimes the messaging just isn't exactly what you would want. Right? And you're, you're doing the same thing with powerful messaging. What's it been like, being a performing artist who's refusing the vaccine? I'm guessing that from from what I was told that you've chosen not to get the COVID vaccine, that's your personal information. You don't have to share that. But But if, if that's the case, or if you want to touch this topic, I mean, what's it like to be an artist in this COVID? Era?

Casey Rhymewave  41:21  
Yeah, I'm happy to discuss it. I agree. You know, it's personal information. But I feel like if you're taking a stance against it, you kind of gotta put it out there. But yeah, ultimately, I think it should be somebodies choice. I think, if you want to get the shot, great. If you don't great, it doesn't need to be something that we all ask each other, it doesn't need to be something we need to prove, provide, you know, proof of, but in terms of being an artist, in this time,

I don't think a lot of people realize the stress that the music industry has been put under from this whole COVID situation, it's pretty much the only industry that I can think of that was completely shut down 100% In some areas for over a year. And in the beginning, artists were trying to adapt, you know, doing live streams, putting out things online, playing, you know, house shows, and that sort of thing. But even in that realm, a lot of artists were kind of being called out and shamed for getting together and trying to play music when there's this deadly virus running through the community. So in the beginning, for the first I would say about six months, I, I didn't really know what to do. I mean, I wanted to play shows, but I was a little concerned the way that it might reflect on my project, I was watching most of my peers take a break from shows and all the venues that I had been playing at, shut down. So after about, I would say six to eight months, I found a little place in town that my friend was operating, that was kind of like a speakeasy, speakeasy with no alcohol. So that was kind of one of the ways that they kept the the vibes, right, you know, made sure that they were kind of operating under the radar. And I started playing there about once a month, just to small crowds. And it's it's just crazy how much performing really does for you, as an artist, when you can put your music out there if if you don't have the ability to play for people, if you don't have the ability to actually put it out there, it's it can be really hard to keep creating and to stay motivated. So I got really excited started playing there about once a month. And then that was the end of 2020. And then throughout 2021, I kind of identified some other spaces, some other individuals who felt the importance of getting the community together, having live shows, and I've been able to find a couple other places in the Portland area kind of like artists, collectives, places where visual artists will be doing their paintings and having workshops set up and a lot of these places are wanting to host events. So it hasn't been really anything too big. I haven't played at any of the big venues in the city. And ultimately now we're faced with a situation where most venues are requiring proof of vaccination or a negative test result. And ultimately, that's a game that I'm just not really down to play. I'm willing to make certain exceptions for certain situations like if a venue requires you to wear a mask, but then they're kind of okay with you taking it off once you get in there. I mean, I really feel like people should be able to make their own choices around this and, you know, let adults be adults like people are going to do what they're going to do and the more that they try to control people and make sure that you know works segregating the populations that only people in this venue are vaccinated or willing to get a test, it's it's really cutting down on the participation that certain artists are afforded. And in terms of like the music industry at large, I would say most of the promoting companies, the people that organize these events, you know, management, kind of like the back end administrative side, outside of the creative artists are all asking that their artists get vaccinated and are requiring that for participation in a lot of these events. And you know, I don't know exactly what's going on. Globally, I know that in certain states, it's a little bit more relaxed, but at least here in the Pacific Northwest, particularly in Oregon, where I play most of my shows, I'm not really allowed to play at a lot of venues, and nor do I want to play there if they're enforcing these policies. So it's been a time of adaption and evolution, and really trying to build community in some interesting ways. And I have a lot of hope, you know, I see people's faces at these shows when they haven't been able to gather without mandates, and just seeing the way that people light up. And, you know, the way that it makes me feel being able to share my art and these situations where people are allowed to just be themselves and be free and not be asked to wear a mask not be asked to show a vaccine card. It's what I'm really feeling called to do right now is to curate these events and, and not worry about what people think about it. Because I know in my heart, that is the right thing to do.

Dr. Paul  46:47  
Casey, that's obvious. And that's awesome. So you're basically deconstructing the COVID narrative through your music, I imagine through your lyrics, but also through your activism. But how do you how do you break through to listeners who may not agree with you?

Casey Rhymewave  47:03  
It's, it's tricky. But the beautiful thing is, is music is kind of in the sweet spot as an art form where people that may not agree with you will still give you a chance and still listen to your music. So I like to compare it to other art forms. For example, like, you know, you probably wouldn't read a book that you completely disagreed with, you might not listen to a podcast that you don't agree with the host. You know, if you look at a painting, and you don't like it, you're not gonna, you know, take an hour to analyze the painting. But with music, even if people don't necessarily agree with what you're saying, in your words, a lot of times, they'll give you a chance, if the song sounds nice if it has a nice melody, if the beat sounds good. I mean, a lot of people listen to music, and they don't even really focus on the lyrics. It's just more about the energy created by the artists. So I found that music is, and hip hop music in particular, really is one of the best ways to communicate ideas to people, because they'll give you a chance to listen to you. And I've had people come up to me after shows saying, Hey, I don't necessarily agree with all of your views. But I really like your sound. And I enjoyed that performance. And that is, to me, one of the greatest rewards of creating this music, being vulnerable, being open, putting yourself out there telling people about all your crazy ideas is the listen to you. And so it is it is tough getting through to people on some level, you know, it's certain things I tend to talk about in certain ways. You know, you got to kind of be careful about how you approach certain topics. And thankfully, you know, it's all kind of tied in the bow of art. So you're able to be creative with your words. And I kind of like to think that I sneak I sneak some messages in there. And a lot of songs, a lot of songs are a little bit more, you know, straight to the point I have, I have one in particular, that is really to the point that's coming out on my new album. But this is kind of new for me, I have been somewhat of a radical thinker for a while, became aware of a lot of the corruption in the medical industry and beyond a long time ago, but I didn't really choose to infuse that into my music too much. Mainly, you know, just due to the fear of being labeled in a certain way, being put into a box. And you know, the thing that tends to happen in conversation when you talk about some of these things to people, but in 2020 When COVID happened and I was witnessing everything going on in the world, with these extreme public health measures and the segregation of the community and kind of you know, anticipating what would come out realize that it was very important to start infusing my music with these messages and speaking out in the way that I know best. So, yeah, it's it's an interesting time. But I really do think that music is one of the best ways to build culture to change culture to wake people love. And hip hop music in particular is great, because you can pack such a punch in a song, I mean, there's so many lyrics that you can fit into a song, you look at the amount of words in a rap song versus the amount of words in a pop song, it's like, you know, 10 times the amount of words or more. So it's been a very effective method for me to kind of communicate my thoughts and ideas and where I'm coming from. And I'm not by any means saying that I'm correct. And you have to agree with me. I'm just asking people to listen and hoping that may be all open their eyes.

Dr. Paul  50:51  
Yeah, well, it's certainly not the easier road right to choose to go up against the establishment go up against the powerful forces, that would have us toe the line, get your shots, get your testing done, wear your mask, etc. What inspires you to speak out on this issue on public health?

Casey Rhymewave  51:11  
To me, it's the only thing to do. I think about future generations, I don't have any children myself, but a lot of my friends are starting to have kids and just seeing them and thinking about what this world might be like for them. If things continue down this road, I always appreciated the Native American idea of looking seven generations into the future. And unfortunately, I think a lot of people in my generation, the younger generation, people that don't have kids are kind of just thinking about now and they just want to go back to normal and do whatever do whatever they can. I think it's also related to me looking so deeply into some of these things. I'm a pretty passionate, independent researcher, I've, I've looked into all sorts of things, some things that, you know, are, I wouldn't even necessarily want to discuss with some people, but when you go down the rabbit hole, and you really look deeply into some of these things, in particular, you know, I've been spending a lot of time looking into subjects that I never thought that I would research such as virology, you know, deep dives into the history of Big Pharma and, and also kind of like, some pretty accurate predictions for where we are now and where we might be going. So I just know that I would not be fulfilled, and I would not be serving people in the best way, if I were to just be one of those artists who falls in line, gets the shot plays the game. And I will say, I don't necessarily, you know, blame or shame artists who have done so I mean, we all need to survive. And like I said earlier, the music industry has been put in a very, very hard position. So a lot of these artists and venues, I mean, they're, they're just trying to work when they haven't had any work for a long time. And even now, the pay is a lot less, these venues don't have as much money to pay artists. And a lot of artists are kind of at the whims of their manager or their agent, you know, they're promoters, I'm kind of like a small time artists still, I'm just kind of trying to build so I, I'm just doing this all myself, I don't have anybody that I'm working for, I don't have a label that I'm representing. I did put out one EP on a label a few years back, but I'm currently just putting this all out myself. So yeah, I'd say that my inspiration just just comes from, from the heart, you know, from from what really feels right. And usually, if something kind of scares you a little bit, you know, if I saw this meme the other day is like, if it feels like jumping in a in a cold pool of water, then it's probably something you should do. And that was kind of honestly how I felt like going into the medical freedom rally. Because, you know, part of me was like, oh, man, are people gonna think I'm like, you know, a Trump supporter, you know, like, proud boy, because I'm like playing at this. And I'm, like, no, like, don't even worry about that. Just do what you know, is right. You know, stand up for what you believe in. And in, don't worry about what people think if you really believe in something, then it's what you need to put out there into the world as an artist.

Dr. Paul  54:26  
Yeah, thank you, Casey, for standing up for what you know, to be true. And what's so important in our world, but I know exactly what you're saying about not wanting to be pigeonholed or labeled with extremists, or Trump or whatever. I mean, you know, people, our world has changed so dramatically in the last two, three years. As people become aware of what's really happening, we've got to shed all these old affiliations with political parties or whatever, and just get to allow them the truth, right, I mean, it's, it's it's just crazy what's going on out there. So you're, you're keeping the community alive. Helping curate events and tell me also about blacklist?

Casey Rhymewave  55:04  
Yeah, so blacklist is something I'm putting together with my friend, just a two man team right now. But we we have some connections on kind of higher levels in the music industry, we know a lot of musicians who are playing shows. And that's kind of where I'm getting a lot of this information that I'm speaking about, in general, you know, just about how there's such pressure for artists to fall in line. But we also realize that there's kind of an underground railroad of venues that haven't really been linked together, who are allowing people to gather without mandates, and also artists who are looking for these opportunities. So we had the idea, only about a month ago. So this is brand new, we just built the website right now we're just collecting emails, and then eventually, we're going to build this out, so that we can link up venues with performing artists, not just musicians, but also like comedians, you know, and also the community. So people that are living in certain places that are looking for events that maybe haven't found them yet, people that are going through really hard times not being able to connect. And so it's essentially a network where we will link up all of these people together. So we'll have mechanisms that can filter through location. So like, if you're an artist, in a certain city, and we've identified venues in the city will link you guys up. And our goal is to create, initially a nationwide network, and eventually a global network, where we've identified venues that are not forcing mandates on people giving people place together, providing work for the artists, and hopefully create a scenario where if you're an artist like me, you could go do a tour throughout the country and hit all these stops along the way. Another part that I'd like to discuss is that, you know, we really want to protect these places, you want to protect these artists as best as we can. We don't necessarily have all the resources to do that right now. But part of this process will be identifying a legal team, basically, representatives of law who can help these places if they do get into trouble for not enforcing mandates, and we're also taking donations that will go to a fund. And that fund will potentially be used to help people pay fines, or mandates or fines or different fees that might be accrued by not following the mandates.

Dr. Paul  57:50  
That's fantastic. Isn't it crazy, that we live in a world where in medicine, so many of I'm a doctor, you know that and so many of my patients won't go to the hospital, they're afraid of how they will be treated and mistreated. And and you're in the music industry, and you're experiencing the same massive censorship and control so you have to go underground. And we're talking about setting up alternative hospital systems and clinics systems for people who, who want to have freedom and choice. It's crazy time, but it's gonna it's going to unite people who who are thinking and seeing clearly and, and really unwilling to sell their soul really. I mean, it's, it's it's really, really powerful. What's gonna come out of this. And hopefully, you know, I feel I'm sure you feel the same way. Hopefully, you won't even need this blacklist, because things are going to just blow up. And we'll get our freedoms back. But in the meantime, yeah, fight on. So it's blacklist dot network network. Okay,

Casey Rhymewave  58:56  
I would say if if people are in this bind, if people are artists, if people are musicians, and they're and they're kind of faced with some of these decisions, you know, do what feels right to you. I think, on some level, it is important to take a stand against these venues. And I'm not saying you know, I want all of them to go out of business. I'm not saying that I don't want people to show up for concerts, you know, of bands that are that are enforcing these, like ultimately I want these venues that I want artists to, to have work. But looking into the future and where we're headed. If we don't take a stand against this, it's going to completely transform live events and what it means to go out with your friends and we're also going to see certain cities, very deprived of certain artists being able to play thankfully certain states have taken a stand against it. And you know, as an artist living in like Texas or Florida like you don't have to worry about any of this but for where a lot of artists are Located in big markets on the West Coast, LA, New York Denver, we're being faced with a pretty tough decision. And it's, you know, do I take the easy road? Do I fall into line? Do I get the shot? You know, do I? Do I play the game? Or do I create my own lane and coming from somebody who's who's just kind of been creating his own lane in these crazy times, it's been quite rewarding. And I feel very aligned with my purpose and very fulfilled with what we're doing what we're creating in the community. And it's a little little scary at first, but the more you do it, the less scary it gets. And the more that you remember why you're doing it in the first place. So yeah, just a message to the to the other people that might be in this situation. And also, I just wanted to say thank you for what you're doing. And I first came across what you were doing through your study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children. And I just thought it was incredible. And then I heard you at a podcast, I was like, Oh, my God, he's got a podcast, I gotta check that out. And it's, it's great man. Like, honestly, I haven't found a place other than the high wire, which is totally different format, you know, and, you know, much of a different show, but I haven't found a place where there's so much incredible information coming from different doctors, different people in the field. And it's, it's really just giving given me a tremendous amount of information to share with people when I'm having these conversations. And it's just such a great resource, and you're just such an incredible person. So cheers, you know, for what you're doing. And, you know, I really have a lot of respect for people in your situation, I think what you're up against is it's very different than than what I'm up against. And, you know, I hope that in a year we can we can have this conversation again and laugh about it and you know, not even have to worry about this, this sort of thing. But for now. Yeah, I just want want you to know that there's a lot of musicians that that got your bag, and a lot of people that aren't necessarily speaking out about it. But we're going to get through this and the music industry is going to survive and the medical industry is going to be reinvented and it's going to be a beautiful world.

Dr. Paul  1:02:27  
Yes, it is. Casey, Rhymewave man was it great to have you on our show? Thank you so much, and it is going to be a beautiful world. Nothing's gonna stop the music you know that to be true. Take care of my friend.

Casey Rhymewave  1:02:41  
Keep on front have fun now while singing from the mountaintops.  the devil gonna steal our sound,  the devil gonna steal our sound,  the devil gonna steal our sound,  the devil gonna steal our sound, of the devil gonna steal our sound. Just remember, nobody can ever take your voice away from you. So don't forget to use it.

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