Dr. Paul 0:00
Dr. Paul, welcome to another episode of against the wind doctors in science under fire. In today's episode, we're going to try something a little different. I was at a conference recently, and we were both speaking myself, I'm going to be the fireman in this instance. And Dr. Patrick Flynn, who's the carpenter. What we're covering in this episode about carpentry is just this. in medicine and in health, there are two different approaches. And we need both. When you have appendicitis or you're in major trauma, you need a fireman, you need somebody to come in, put out the fire, do that emergency appendectomy, or put your bones back together, whatever it may be. That is a kind of doctoring, we need we do well. But we also need the carpenter who comes in and repairs the house, that's all burnt down. And Dr. Patrick Flynn, goes into detail with me about what it takes to rebuild health and wellness from the ground up. You're not gonna want to miss this. We then have a very touching interview with Ricky Sassari, who's in Italy in Europe and what his experience was with COVID vaccines. And then of course, Bernadette, rounds it out with be the news. Thanks for watching. Enjoy the show.
Dr. Paul from the heart, I'm going to deal today with a tough topic. It's what's going on in our world today? Do you feel a sense of angst, to something's not right. And there's a failure in our social support. It feels like the world is hypnotized by fear. This common bond of fear, I mean, when I turn on the news, which I generally just turn on to check the weather, because I can't stand the misinformation I continue to hear on the news. It's like better not to hear it because I'm just poisoning my mind with partial truths, half truths, and sometimes bold faced lies. But nevertheless, our world is connected by this fear, this universal angst that we all seem to be a part of. What we're looking for is relief of that pain. And you have to be careful, because the more you connect with technology, I mean, think about it. I remember, as a kid growing up in Africa, in a village, there was zero technology, no electricity, no running water, and we were just living. Fast forward to my kids generation in today's generation, and the COVID, lockdown isolation period of time. The more we connect to technology, what happens? We live in isolation. We live in greater fear. And so we look for relief for that angst that's just there. So how do we move past that? How do we move into a sense of peace, a sense of belonging and a sense of freedom, personal, and as a society? I believe it's time to stand up for what we know to be true. And to reject messaging, that actually in your heart of hearts, you know, there's something not right with it. This is the time we all stepped forward. This is why we bring this show to you. This is why I do what I do. And I want you to join. Do it in a small way. start off first by just reaching out to your loved ones. Let them know you love them no matter what. Whether vaccinated or unvaccinated whether they're living in fear or not. We embrace one another. And bit by bit, circle after circle, we connect. And we create that new beginning that we all deserve. And put this fear, angst and isolation behind us. It is time it is our year. It is our world. Let's grab hold of it. Let's link arms and do this together.
Welcome Dr. Patrick Flynn, two against the wind doctors in science under fire. What an honor to have you on the show. Well, thanks
Dr. Patrick Flynn 4:20
for every call appreciate. You know, when
Dr. Paul 4:23
we were together in Iowa, you hosted an amazing conference. And then when I got to hear you speak, I mean for our for our listeners, this guy has a network of clinics. It's called the wellness way. They're all over the world. He's got to show a different perspective. But what really got me when you came up and spoke, and you gave this analogy, and I'm going to have you go through it just briefly, I think for our audience because it's brilliant. You gave an analogy of the fire department versus the carpenter. Yep. Now, I'm a mainstream trained MD. And I became aware a couple decades ago that we were the fire department We were trained to diagnose and treat, it's just label and find a pharmaceutical product out of a list. You know, we go through a differential diagnosis, and there's a list of pharmaceutical products to put out the fire, if you will. Yep. And, you know, as I woke up to the fact that our kids, the population of our health is just not good, right? It's just going downhill chronic diseases on the rise like crazy. I became aware of Wait a minute, there's got to be something different. We've got to go back to basics. And I think that's your carpenter approach. But dive into that a little bit, because it was so enlightening to me.
Dr. Patrick Flynn 5:35
Yeah, well, I think that I needed to look at analogies that would really give a patient perspective on what avenue to choose. And I think there's, I think there's a mixed battle. I think it doesn't do the public any good. And what I mean by that is this is if you're a parent now listening, and mother or father, or even if you're a doctor, okay, and all of a sudden you go, Okay, what avenue do I take? And yes, we're so dominant in a medical perspective. And I think that's why, on the flip side, you see the natural perspective. And the one thing that happens is they kind of fight and I'm sitting in the middle of going, I don't really think that's good for patient outcomes, for example, and so I said, Okay, listen, how can relay the message to the public, that will actually give them an a mindset and action steps that they can do to choose now, what doctors they need, but understand they need multiple doctors. And so when I looked at it, and when I got up and spoke at the seminar, it was actually duck ball because that seminar that I got the speak at, I got there that day, they said, Oh, can you be the emcee? Because you're funny. And so I'm like, Okay, sounds good. So I found out that day, it was gonna be the emcee. And then I got the opportunity to speak. But what I did is I always like to start off by speak to say, Listen, that telling my wife's story, which we'll get into, she actually saw amazing, let's just call them medical facials. And they now she's the fire department, where they were trying to help her she suffered for endometriosis and cystic acne, and also of colitis, and cluster headaches. And once again, our current perspective is I was called mess. And they're the fire department, they do a wonderful job as somebody has a heart attack or stroke to put up the fire, okay, and they and they manage that process. But during that process of doing that, there is some destruction. Like, for example, in the fire department shows up at your house, they use your axe and hoses or drugs and surgery to put the fire. But there is damage that happens. And we relate to those side effects. And I'm okay with those side effects, knowing the fact that if it saves the house, if you don't die, it's a good thing. It really is. But people should know what the risks are. And they should have a choice. And I think you are the the model for that. Okay, which even got you in hot water, just trying to say, Listen, there are effects that happen. I'm cool. If you do it, just know it have a good informed consent. Yeah, but where I think healthcare has gone wrong, is we've done a mess has done a fantastic job of saving lives, but burn process saving lives, you still have a burnt up bad degenerated house, and we need some corporate or type doctors to actually listen, how do we rebuild that? And how do we find those things that led to the fire? And what can we do to not only prevent them, but consistently rebuild the house to make it strong. So I said, Listen, there's a uniqueness to each individual. And we can test what each individual needs, regardless of what the condition is, regardless of the person suffering from to rebuild their house. And of course, then we start with one click. And now we have them all over the world. Because you know why? People need that carpenter doctors, people need the fire department doctor, I get it. It's cool. I'm cool with that.
Dr. Paul 8:45
I have been on a journey of trying to become a carpenter. So I just realized that wow, you have really honed your skills at carpentry. And folks, we're talking about building your health from the ground up, not just putting band aids or a fire hose on a symptom or a disease, once it's progressed, walk us through some of the basics of creating wellness from the ground up.
Dr. Patrick Flynn 9:12
It's all based on testing. And if we look at just even the the health of a baby, it all starts with the pregnant mom, she needs to find all of her major inflammatory markers, she really does. That could be food that could be infections, there could be array of things. And that's why getting certain things tested are so key. So if you look at this, even when a when a child is born, the mother can produce Inflammatory breast milk, she really can. So if you're a mom who's breastfeed right now, mediate your foods tested, you get a stool test done to make sure that you have nothing that's passing down to them that can be inflammatory to your child. I personally do not believe that a child should have food before one year old. Because if you look at the digestive process, if you look at the liver, if you look at some of the major immune responses, most of the things do not develop and actually become sustainable. until after a year old. So when you're introducing foods and other things into a child, it's now going to lead to in a very fight or flight, immune response, digestive response, which can now cascade to an inflammatory thing, even if it's good organic food. So that's why I can't understand why do we even stick a medication or a vaccine or thing into a child till after that we actually get to pull our data and go these children that delayed their even their food schedule. They actually had better responses, then if they introduce things too early.
Dr. Paul 10:34
That's fascinating. I think, what the point you made about breastfeeding and how important breast milk is, but then also to make sure that moms are testing and knowing their own inflammatory markers. That explains a phenomenon that I don't think I had quite appreciated until you just said that. We when I look at my patients who have eczema, okay, babies with really dry skin and can be very, very severe. It's very, very associated with how vaccinated they are. And the unvaccinated generally have much less, but there still are unvaccinated kids with horrible eczema. And you know, it has to come from the diet, and they're just breastfed. So yep, that explains it. It absolutely makes total sense. Let's take your wife story, for example, you really were able to turn her around. Just briefly tell us you know, how that happened? What what did what did you do? Because I imagine most adults who have chronic conditions might want to come to the wellness way type clinic and and so what kind of process did you take your wife through, and I think this explains what you're doing in your clinics.
Dr. Patrick Flynn 11:40
So what happened is, so my wife suffered from endometriosis, severely to the point the gods so badly, they would have attempted to actually have a hysterectomy at a young age, that if you look at individuals in general, there is some hormonal component eg some estrogen or progesterone based process that exists there. I grasp all the stuff that my wife had from her past physicians, and I said, Oh, my goodness, they're incomplete. The most dominant hormone for us as guys, for me and Dr. Paul, every knows this is testosterone. Okay. Now, we also know there's free testosterone. So those two hormones can dictate our life physically, mentally. Now, if you look at a woman, my wife, if you look at any woman, the major hormone that dictates a woman's life is estrogen. Estrogen is not a hormone. Estrogen is a term that describes many hormones, right? And what I found out, and what I looked at, is, if you look at a cyclic woman, they're gonna measure extra dial. If it's a menopausal woman, they're gonna measure s thrown. But what if I told you, you had to measure at least 10? And people go 10? Yes, 10. Now to all the listeners right now, if you're a woman, have you ever been to your doctor, and they've measured all of your estrogens? You're
Dr. Paul 12:59
absolutely right. Medical doctors like myself, when we heard estrogen, we're just thinking yesterday, all
Dr. Patrick Flynn 13:04
my wife's estradiol on her lab was normal, was normal ladies ever gone to the doctor and everything was normal, and you still felt sick. And then I measured the rest of them. And then I found the other estrogens, the other estrogens that were abnormal. And I found out how to restore those hormonal pathways. And her Oh, and her estrogen went back to normal after testing them and retesting them. And here's what happened, her uterus went back to normal view do not measure a woman's hormone in both blood and urine together, your view of female hormones is dramatically incomplete. You need to test done at once, in order to have a complete view on female hormones. If you do not, it's still incomplete. How can we judge the physical and mental aspect of a woman if we don't have a complete picture of what her hormones are like? We're making judgments chemically, surgically, everything with an incomplete view of the female body. And I just can't get by that, Dr. Paul, we understand how to restore those pathways and get those things back to normal, which now watches the genetic aspect of a woman reversing go back to homeostasis, which I will blow your mind away with, with all the medical conditions, which I was in treating, that's not my job. Let's put that back to normal and watch those medical conditions reverse.
Dr. Paul 14:30
Okay, so let's just pivot a little bit to COVID because that's what's occupying everybody's mental and emotional beings and sort of, I've seen so many people stressed out it's unbelievable. And you know, I tell him turn off the news because you're you're not getting the true story there. But delve a little bit into what your perspective is on COVID-19 And what's going on
Dr. Patrick Flynn 14:57
once you can find out what I mean. cell is deficient. There's nutrients, there's constituents, there's ingredients that you can do to feed your bone marrow. And the reason I say that is because a lot of our stem cells, all of our stem cells, our immune system come from our bone marrow, but there's certain nutrients that you need to even produce those. There is no drug or surgery with the exception of bone marrow replacement. Yeah, actually gets your bone marrow feeds it and other organs back to normal. So when COVID came, I'm like, COVID is not a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It's a pandemic of the unhealthy, right. And so therefore being immune deficient, I'm going to mean panels and people said, I'm scared of you when it comes to SARS, cov. Two, because if you get in contact with it, you could die because your immune system can't respond to it. So this whole natural field saying just take some things and you'll be fine whole medical field said the vaccines. I think they're both wrong. I'm sitting the middle saying, why don't we instead of running towards a vaccine, instead of a turgid herb? I'm saying, let's get tested. That's what really should be not tested from a PCR test tested from Sam, are is your immune system strong? Or is it weak? Let's protect the weak and how do we protect the weak, maybe they do have to isolate, but leave them isolate does not build their immune systems. That's where we can do things to build up so they can respond to COVID, or any virus.
Dr. Paul 16:21
So Doc, I do have a question for you. I'm a real practical kind of clinician. And one of the challenges I run into so I have so many hundreds and hundreds of autistic kids, right? I mean, these kids are really suffering. And testing is so important. But you know, as I do that, this testing, if you're going to be thorough, can run into the 1000s. Right of dollars. And and so in practical terms, you know, if this show is reaching millions of people, and I, you know, 1% can afford the testing, what can the other folks do? Because I know the ideal is know exactly what you're dealing with. But you've done this so much. Yep, you do know what are some key things people can do to boost their immune system without today?
Dr. Patrick Flynn 17:04
Yes, it's no secret that vitamin D is the most simplistic thing that you can do. If you look at some of the most basic immune builders have to get back to your medicinal mushrooms. If you look at Reishi and Chaga, you understand that we get some of our chemotherapy drugs from them, people not realize that we get our we get some of our antibiotics grown on medicinal mushrooms. See, people do not realize this yet. That's the cool thing about if you understand all this other physiology by them. But see, if you look at this way, you can get a little you can actually buy even like a little small medicinal mushroom pack that has all the good organic medicinal mushrooms from Reishi and Chaga. And Turkey Tail and quadriceps are very dirt cheap, you could actually take some akinesia so get some good ectasia some elderberry, some stragglers struggles feeds the bone marrow master that way. And so what you're doing is you're giving these organ systems, you're supplying the pathways, you're supplying nutrients to actually give the organs to respond to when you come in contact with something on the outside. Now, but even something more simple. And this is going to be tougher than vitamin C allows those neutrophils and other immune cells to live longer, to live longer. Okay? That's why vitamin C deficiency, the immune cells die so quickly, and that it's a bad day. Here's what happens there is there is something that competes with that glute one receptor, and if it's consumed on a regular basis, will bind up those receptors. Environment seed can't get in there. And therefore your immune cells will die faster.
Dr. Paul 18:35
Oh, tell us what's that substance?
Dr. Patrick Flynn 18:38
It's called Sugar.
Dr. Paul 18:39
Ah, oh, you know about sugar. You just explained why I do tell people if you're sick, stay away from sugar stay away from processed foods. But folks, now you know why.
Dr. Patrick Flynn 18:51
But here's Think of it this way. Vitamin D starts to go down here in the fall of September concerns your cold here. Then we have Halloween jacked up on food. We have Thanksgiving jacked up on sugar, we have the Christmas jacked up and sugar. And you wonder why flu season is during this time. It's really sad because in the audience, I get it. Food is the by far the most emotional thing that we do are none it is. And when we go through stress, our body actually runs the best on glucose. So we crave it, I get it, I do get it. It's just that what happens is this, we need to start doing the corporator type things that we have to avoid those things because you know why? I would be more scared of a virus about like SARS, cov two and the effect it can have because it can have a bad effect than have the emotion aspect of wine that process pie or things like that. And I know it's tough. There was encouragement to get a vaccine and get Krispy Kreme Doughnuts for free. There was
Dr. Paul 19:51
true it's true the colleges in my state were offering doughnuts to the college kids.
Dr. Patrick Flynn 19:57
If you understand anything about the Basics of the human body and how it works. That is ludicrous. That's disgusting. That should be that should be punishable in court for crying out loud, I'm sorry, you're misleading people and then that they want to, then they want to just put the near to the vaccine. I'm sorry. Anybody that understands the immunological response to the vaccine would freak anybody out. And I'm not consent. I really am. I'm a freedom person. Doc. That's why we get along with that way. But if you understand the most basic aspects of immunology, if this stuff doesn't make any sense, yep. In the great thing is this. What if we could make Americans less scared, which does actually fear does lower immune response? Yeah, we just got them tested. And you look and go, Oh, my goodness, because there are children that look healthy. They have low immune systems that could die from SARS, cov. Two, there's, there's people that look really unhealthy, and actually could even be overweight, and get immune Powell done, and they survive it. See, that's where we need to actually we can really predict what's going to happen to people. And if you need the fire department, remember, I think God every day that we actually have wonderful medical systems, because there's great surgeries, there's great drugs that keep us from dying. Thank God, there's even things that happen within COVID that way, I'm cool with that. But that's only part of the story. We need carpenter type practitioners, doctors that are gonna say, Hey, listen, look, what if I told you, and this has been well documented that over 95% of fires, diseases are preventable. But I'm not even letting the conversation because it's not the narrative when it comes to COVID. My goal is, hey, guess what we have Battlefield, the battlefield? What if we, the answers are really in the middle? With the fire department and the carpenter? Absolutely. It's all about lifestyle. Because of my perspective, when it comes to things that way. I wasn't always a big fan of pediatricians that way, and meeting you, I always be a man that stands up and says, I said something wrong, because you're the one pediatrician that I will continue to actually ask questions too. But you'd be the only person in this world that I've ever let see my daughter's
Dr. Paul 22:10
a doctor Patrick. I've learned in medical school that chiropractors are to be avoided at all cost and nobody should see a chiropractor. I learned on my own because of a back injury and a slipped disc that chiropractors and the bodywork that you all can do can be miraculous. I mean, truly healing and transforming changed my life completely. But then you take it to another whole level with understanding hormones and physiology and and really getting back to that carpentry of building from the ground up, and even healing from the from the nutrient basis. So thank you for bringing that to the world. I agree. We need to come together and I feel like we we will link arms and do great things together. Thank you for being on our show and for enlightening our audience. I hope you have just an amazing year this coming year.
Dr. Patrick Flynn 23:03
Thank you. I appreciate being on.
Dr. Paul 23:11
Welcome Ricky says it. It is such a privilege and an honor to have somebody coming to our show against the wind boxes and signs under fire all the way from Italy. You have an interesting story to share with us. I understand you got your first dose of the Pfizer vaccine on June 18. And prior to that, tell our audience how old you are and what kind of health you had prior to getting this vaccine.
Yes, of course, I'm 30 years old. I was born in January 1991. And prior to this vaccine, as far as I know, I was in perfect health, let's say in the in the previous one year, year and a half, I had quite stressful life mainly because of work. And of course lockdown and I was doing his math working every day from home not having a lot of physical activity. Maybe my levels of stress were a little bit higher than they should have been. Sure. But anyway, I think this is quite a common situation in this in this period for many people around the world. So
Dr. Paul 24:15
yeah, so it sounds like you were physically active and healthy. So then after June 18, when you had your first Pfizer vaccine, How soon did you start to experience side effects, if you will, or what tell us what happened?
I had been suffering of anxiety and panic attacks for let's say, actually, it started one week before I took the vaccine. I had I had my first dose on jun 18 which was a Friday and on Monday I had a panic attack at night but something that actually was sold without any problem. You know the usual symptoms of Panic attack like you would be beating heart. And I don't know, I was breathing very fast. And I was scared that I would die or something like that. And, but then it passed with the help of my, of my family. And then it went to sleep. And the next days I was I was fine. So I don't know if these events might have, I don't know, somehow not not really had a good effect on my nervous system maybe. And maybe that's why after the doors, I got these neurological centers, maybe my my neurological situation in that exact moment was not the best either. No, of course, I'm not the doctor, I'm just making making up some some theory. But basically what happened after these June 18, it was that I was in Italy, actually, I took the dogs in Italy, because I came back to visit my family. And two days later on Sunday, I was driving back from Milan, my hometown to Bratislava. And I started having some dyspnea, like difficulty breathing while I was driving. But actually, I didn't connect it to the vaccine, right there. Like I thought it was maybe some other of these anxiety that I had. So I didn't, I didn't really care so much I thought it will pass. And then actually what happened in the first month. So I'd say between 18th of June, and 23rd of July, that's when I took my second dose was that I was basically having some some very mild symptoms, like I have the feeling that I was weaker, I couldn't focus concentrate on my daily job, my daily activity that I used to do without any problem. I couldn't sleep, I had quite a hard time in sleeping. And, and I had muscular pain that say all over my body, I conducted by a doctor in Italy, and she told me that it might be related to the vaccine, but they would probably pass that it's some set of symptoms that it's quite frequent. And actually, I started losing also a lot of weight. But at that time, actually, summer was starting I was done in the beginning of July, I went on holiday. So I went back to Italy was with my family, I was maybe moving more eating more healthy way. So I thought that, that these loss of weight could be related to these changes in lifestyle. And in my habits. Even though it was quite important loss of weight, because I back then let's say before the vaccine I weigh my weight was around 9192 kilos. And in less than one month, they'd say around the middle of July, I got to 83 kilos, so I lost almost 10 kilos in in one month. But in that moment, I didn't really understand what was going on. Basically, within my body, it's it could be something physiological. And so I didn't give too much attention too much importance to that. And I actually also didn't connect these symptoms to the vaccine at all. Also, I have to say that in the last days before I took the second dose, they were also let's say going away I was I was not feeling that weak anymore, I could sleep better Maybe also because it was an odd that would be the case I was at the seaside with my girlfriend. So let's say I was feeling better overall. And so I just want to take my second dogs without any thought. And I think this was a big mistake. I don't know if you want to ask some question or I can go on with the story.
Dr. Paul 29:13
Oh, this is very, thank you for painting that picture of what was happening. And I think this is so common for people who have some symptoms from one of the shots to not make the connection because basically the doctors are not going to make the connection for you. And in fact, will tend to minimize the possibility that there is a connection. And so people just go about thinking oh, well, it was a coincidence. Get the second shot. So let's go ahead and move on to what then happened after the second shot that you got on July 23.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I came back from Canada it was I was back in Milan and I went to take my second shot. And after the second shot, and the first day I just had some headache and feeling weak these like strange feeling. And I was driving to go to South of Italy with, with my family to visit my grandma and the other part of me that I picked the south of Italy. And suddenly I started having some trouble with my sight. Like I started to smile I was driving, I could see on the highway like this seat light signals, they were like doubled. I don't know if it was one, one or something, something written here I could see like under it. And this was the first strange symptom that I that I noticed. And then in the next day, I realized that I was losing a lot to strength in my muscles, especially in my upper legs. For example, I had this travel in climbing the stairs, which is just one pack of stairs of my grandma's house that she's almost 90, and she could try me without any problem and me that I'm 30 I am traveling and doing it. So then that was wonderful. I started feeling like I need to be worried about my condition. And in that moment i i made the connection with the vaccine because it was just two days after I took the the second dose.
Dr. Paul 31:23
Right so double vision that you're seeing twice and blurring your vision was affected difficult seeing and then strength was so severely affected. You had a hard time with just doing stairs. Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, you're a fit guy who was playing soccer and could run and yeah,
yeah, yeah. Exactly. So yeah. No, actually all these symptoms are still are still there. Some of them even got worse. Some of them say stayed stable than I am some good days and bad days. I don't know. It's actually strange. What is going on? I still don't know. But of course, as I was worried so I, I went, actually, of course to have like blood analyzes, I went to endocrinologist to cardiologist I had three different neurological visits. I went also to the Oculus, of course for these problems with my eyes. Maybe I even forget some easy that I that I had because in last few months I really many. And Moody's finally for farming is not funny and sad to me is that really, for the last 15 years, I never went to any doctor. I was always feeling good. I also used to say, I do not drink herbal teas and so on when I was not feeling well, like I tried to use these approach to deal with my health and it was working. Because I didn't have problems and like I after the vaccine, I started see doctors almost almost daily and actually
Dr. Paul 32:59
doctors making the connection with the vaccine. I mean, what are they telling you is going on?
Yes, so like the first doctor that made the connection with the vaccine was actually my family doctor because after I did this analysis, blood analysis, the level of a TSH these fyrir level was higher than it should have been. So she said probably I developed some formal hypo theory Deezer and she sent me to an endocrinologist. I did echo of my titles and other analysis and they found out that the higher the Altenew Faridi, this Apache model 32 Which I think as far as I know, I didn't have before taking the vaccine and my level of antibodies was almost 100 times higher than then it should have been I like the limit was 66,000 of these. Yeah, anti EPO. Yeah, so so my family doctor when she saw these results, she told me that he could have been connected to the vaccine because let's say that chronologically, that was it was like didn't leave space for dogs. And she advised me to have like really detox diet like to not do it any any gluten, any meat, dairy products, and try to focus on a diet with vegetables through it, to do physical activity and so on. Which actually, I think have to because I'm doing it and I'm still doing it and I think this could be maybe the reason why it still may seem my symptoms are kind of stable right now. But then the I went to the endocrinologist and actually, he didn't like even touching the topic of the vaccine and you just told me okay, I don't know why which is the reason but the point is and now we have is our immune 30 days and we need to cure it. So They say the endocrinology is focused only on the problem that they that they have and how to how to deal with it not so much about the cause. He didn't, he didn't want to talk so much about that. I took some pictures of my legs and my arms, and I compare them like before I took the vaccine and after, and actually could see the difference, there really is no quality, atrophy or any way reduction of muscles.
Dr. Paul 35:30
That's impressive. If you put a patient in bed for a few months, and they're obviously not walking and using their muscles, it's amazing the amount of atrophy, you know, shrinking of the muscles, loss of muscle mass. And it seems like because you can't Are you still having trouble with stairs? For example?
I do I do. I don't feel so much pain as I used to in the first weeks after the second doors. Now I feel more weakness. We can say that.
Dr. Paul 35:58
So you probably are not able to exercise much at all at this point.
No, no, no, the doctor before taking the vaccine, I would have been able to run for one hour without any problem. Now after 10 minutes, I'm I'm done. But not because I just don't feel my DAGs they cannot do it anymore.
Dr. Paul 36:22
I'm so sorry. All of this is happening. Any other symptoms you want to let people know about that you've experienced?
Yeah, are you are you sad? Trouble in breathing like this, I realized when I was exercising that I had, again, these displayer. So this difficulty in breathing after a few minutes of running. Now I haven't To be honest, I haven't been running for maybe a couple of months or so because I'm a bit scared, I have to tell you the truth because and then of course, I started getting informed about these about possible adverse reactions of these vaccines and so on. And I can see that many people had heart attacks or events like this. So I'm actually scared now to, let's say, put my body under too much stress, like by doing physical activity. So what I'm doing now is, is trying to follow this diet. And of course, I'm moving but I'm just going for walks in the park as if I was an eight year old person I can do respect to at 930. And I'm supposed to do other things to be able to just walk.
Dr. Paul 37:36
Yeah, right. Absolutely. Absolutely. So in your part of the world, are they talking about boosters?
Yeah, of course, of course there are people already received their $30.
Dr. Paul 37:50
Wow. Well, you have such a tragic story. And I'm just going to be praying that you continue to recover. I, you know, when you wrote to me, and you said these words that just touched my heart, you said as my life has been destroyed, and just four months after vaccination, all my dreams of building a future in a family with the love of my life, fallen to pieces, it's just like, oh my gosh, breaks my heart to hear this story. I think others need to know that there are risks because these risks are being minimized. Sort of in closing, what would be your advice to others based on what you've experienced?
Of course, my first advice is like to get as more informed as they can before taking a decision of getting this vaccine because I now I understand that I took it as if it was like taking a candy or something like that, like I didn't think so much about it also was a little be pushed by my family because we had to go on holiday to see the old grandma. So you might be more let's say say if it would be more safe if I if I got the also this this vaccine. So of course like to get to gather information to be aware of the possible risks with that, hopefully, are not lead. So let's say that I hope it doesn't happen so often. I know many people who received the vaccine, at least at the moment they're okay. I don't know about the future because I mean, no one knows about the future with these experimental products because that's what we are talking about. So of course like to consider all the risks. At the same time, also, my advise that there should be I think, granted but at least for me to present is to be sure to be in good hands when you go to take this vaccine if you want or if you need to take it. For example. Also when I sent that email, I was really like, I don't know, desperation because Really, my life has changed completely and enhanced me especially another thing that I forgot to mention is that the problem with my level of problems really, with my brain, I don't know how to explain it. But like, I have serious problems now in doing seeing eye to AD, I have two degrees, I did all my studies without any problem, it was always good in maths and stuff like that. And now we have to solve like the easiest of the problems like even I don't know how to organize some trip, I struggle with it. So that's another thing that really bothers me, that somehow impacted us. So my, I don't know that the brain the way my brain works, the advice is to be careful, just to be careful, because once it's done you you cannot go back,
Dr. Paul 40:55
you make a very important point, Ricky, thank you so much for young people. And 3040 is young. I mean, if you're healthy, I mean, I'm a pediatrician. So for kids under 18, oh, my goodness, getting COVID The disease is like getting a cold, it's just not a big deal. And the data is show this to be the case, getting the vaccine on the other hand, as you've shown us can be a very serious thing. And I liked the way you put it, you cannot take it out. Once you've taken that vaccine, it's in your body. Ricky off record, when we're done with this interview, I'll send you some information about some things you can try to help recover yourself. Anything you can do to reduce inflammation is a good thing.
Obviously, I don't think you can impact so much invisibly in my body because I'm not talking about you on tire then we can see like I lost 10 kilos, and I can see that my legs are more there and my yava smaller than they used to be. Yeah.
Dr. Paul 41:57
No, absolutely. I would agree with you. It's not psychological, when you have muscle wasting and severe weakness that you've experienced with also the neurological symptoms, the vision issues, the focus concentration problems. Yeah, no and autoimmune diseases is, is so difficult to treat. And in your case, it's so clearly affected your thyroid, but but it may be we just don't understand if some of the brain function compromised, like focus issues that you're experiencing. We don't know if that's just inflammation related, or could there also be an autoimmune component to what's going on in the brain, Spike proteins are, they cause problems wherever they go? Because the body's immune system tries to get rid of them. And so wherever they are, you can have collateral damage to your normal tissue. That's auto immunity. I thank you so much for sharing your story, Ricky. Yeah, God bless you. Stay in touch. And I really appreciate you sharing your story with the world.
Thank you. Thank you. It's, I think it's my duty to do it. Because at least my experience can be useful for other people. Maybe someone after watching these will decide, at least to get more informed before doing before taking this. Thank you.
Dr. Paul 43:27
Yeah, no, thank you, Ricky.
Welcome, Bernadette to another episode of against the wind, you bring us the be the news segment, which is so exciting. Each week, I love to talk to you. I know what you've got online here for us today as a couple different important websites that we need people to be aware of. You are the host of an informed life radio that features in Washington and on CHD. TV. Well, I guess the radio features all over the world, right? Everything's internet based these days. Yeah. And you also are so active in so many important areas. So thank you for being on the show. And looking forward to see what you've got for us in terms of access to important websites that we should know about.
Bernadette Pajer 44:19
Exactly. Thank you, Dr. Paul. It's always so good to be here. So, you know, in our New Year's resolution to help your viewers be the news. I want to take up folks first To this end, he A Guide to Federal emergency aid amounts. This is the National Education Association. And later on, you're going to put up on the screen this link so people can go right to it. This will help you learn how much federal money is going to your state as well as to your individual county and help you explore the strings that are tied to that money. because schools are getting this money, but they're going to have to file reports with the federal government explaining how they are, they are complying with CDC guidelines for COVID. And so if you are frustrated with trying to get your school board, to eliminate masks to kind of have life be back to normal, if you're very frustrated with them promoting vaccines on school grounds, you'll learn why. And it's because of the strings that are with this federal money. And it is a lot of money, Dr. Paul, so if you say you are an Oregon guy, so let's look at Oregon, let's just get on this real quick, you will see that they have sent a total of $4.2 billion to Oregon. Wow. That now shocking. Right now this link right down here, Oregon federal emergency aid for public education, that's a great one to download, because it explains how the money can be used, and what reports have to be filed to explain yourself to the federal government. And then if you want to see the allocations
Dr. Paul 46:16
I'm sorry, I just can't I'm still my mouth is I'm trying to pick it up my job. 4.1 billion, Oregon only has 5 million residents. That is almost $1,000 per every single person living in Oregon is going through schools to promote COVID vaccines basically, and masking and the
Bernadette Pajer 46:36
to it to give the federal government credit because you know, this is all tangled in a whole bunch of nonsense. Some of the money is being spent for things that may be necessary, and that may actually improve health of schools. Some schools are buying new and improved H vac systems. So they have better air circulation, which does improve this, you know, the health of classrooms. But yes, it's all tied to strings that include doing what the CDC recommends, which is the masking and the isolating and the quarantining and promoting a vaccination everywhere they can. So yes, it is very concerning 7.10 3 billion to Washington State. You know, let's look at Texas they're getting 27 point 6 billion, holy moly, you know, it's just it's just it's the amount of money being spent is mind boggling. Where's it coming from? This isn't free money. This is federal taxpayer money that doesn't yet exist. It's been borrowed. We are so deeply in debt. It's it's really concerning. But it also is, is a lot of the reason why when you begin to present to any entity, where you are the very good science that says we have to stop with all of this, there are better, safer ways to get kids back to school safely. And just let them be kids, then doing what you're doing. But when you've got the financial incentive. It's really concerning.
Dr. Paul 48:18
So you've been an activist and very involved with government protests, and what have you for a very long time. What do we do about this?
Bernadette Pajer 48:27
Well, what I'm others are recommending is you research where you are, what your school is getting, what your counties go is getting, you print all that out, you email it off, and you show up at meetings, and you get individual meetings, maybe coffee meetings with some of the the people in your school district, and you say, Now, listen, we do not want this federal money spent to force our kids to do things that are harming their health, their psychological, their physical health, if you can find a way to use the money and stay within the requirements, such as installing H of X, you know, good air circulation systems or other methods that are actually beneficial. Do that. But if you cannot find a way to do it without the red strings that keep our kids in these dangerous situations with the mandates, tell them to send the money back. Say no, we don't want it. Absolutely. Wow. That's, you know, that's all I can think of doing. Yeah. And and if they won't do that, then you know, the next step is pulling your kids out of that school. You know, just say no. You know, we have to all stand in our truth where we live to that individual.
Dr. Paul 49:47
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. You're welcome.
Bernadette Pajer 49:51
So we thought that and I encourage everybody to explore. And then the next thing I want to bring you to that did that follow up Dr. Paul, are you now on the National Conference of State Legislatures? Yes. Fantastic. So I subscribe to them to see what they're talking about this organization of all the state legislatures, um, they're heavily lobbied. But what's really interesting is I got an email that provided the state public health legislation database, there have been so many bills filed in the past year to really actually good bills, we would consider many of them, not all of them, but quite a few of them, that they just they started this wonderful database that anybody can go get my provided you the link that you can pass on to your viewers. And look at this, the topics are infectious disease, like HIV, infectious disease, school based prevention. We're going down here to vaccines access insurance and workforce vaccine requirements. So like, I'm going to put down vaccine requirements. And we'll just do all states just as an example. And we'll do a search. And it's going to pull up current legislation that's out there. We've got in think Al is Alabama, here's that opposes Biden administration on vaccine mandate. Unfortunately, that one failed. There's another fail. I thought a good example pulling up. Oh, here's an enacted where was it enacted? Here was one in Alabama, which was employer vaccine mandate, prohibition looks like that maybe a good one requires employers to allow employees to claim an exemption from the COVID-19 vaccination for medical reasons, or sincerely held religious beliefs. So that passed, that's good to see. So will you will see things passed or failed or, or bills that are still in play, look at them. So this is a great resource. And I encourage people to explore many states legislative sessions began in January, they they opened up for new sessions. So go to this website, but also visit your own state legislature website. They all have Bill pages where you can search, current bills that are in play. And they all have ways of contacting your legislators so that you can be very vocal about supporting or opposing, you need the legislation.
Dr. Paul 52:28
Wow, this is fascinating. I had the thought because in my practice, so many people are actually leaving Oregon. And you know, they may be moving to Idaho or Florida or Texas or the sea. Yes. And one of the big Well, the only reason is the whole response to COVID. Yes, they are trying to get their kids into classrooms that aren't masked, they are trying to have the freedom to move about that exists in many states. But if you live in one of these states, such as Oregon, where I live, and that's your norm, you may not be aware of this, it seems to me that this website you've just shared would be a nice one for people to see. Okay, here are the states that are supporting medical freedom. Yes. And there's no more important issue in my mind than preserving medical freedom. Because when we give that up, when we lose the ability to be in control of what goes into our bodies, then we have no freedom at all.
Bernadette Pajer 53:29
Exactly. Yes, I do want to point out, because I'm a little more familiar with the whole legislative process. If you see a failed, when you look at those bills, don't let that concern you too much. Because sometimes there's duplicate bills, there's bills in the House and Senate, they pick up one rather than the other. Or sometimes a bill just needs to be put forward the next year before it gains momentum. So a failure doesn't always mean that the idea or concept behind that bill is is not going to go forward in that state. Yeah,
Dr. Paul 54:05
no, that thank you for pointing that out. I've been involved with a few such movements. And yeah, it's a journey, right? It's eventually if it's a good concept, you will win. Because you'll get enough support behind it. But early on, you can look at any major shift in society, right? Whether it was voting rights for women, or gay rights or whatever, you know, there was a long journey to getting there. The Freedom actually was one.
Bernadette Pajer 54:31
Yeah, don't give up. You got you got to keep rocking that thing till it chips over.
Dr. Paul 54:37
There you go. So we're gonna keep rolling this boulders still till it starts rolling fast downhill, and then we're all gonna look back and go, we always knew that was the way it was supposed to be. Yeah. Well, thanks once again. Bernadette. Do you have any closing parting words and how can people get a hold of you and your information?
Bernadette Pajer 54:55
Oh, well, you can go to informed choice wa.org and check things out. and use our contact page to reach out. Just everybody just stay alert, stay educated, keep the faith believe in, I think as Eleanor Roosevelt in the beauty of your dreams because we can achieve it. And and you know, Bobby Kennedy once said at a great speech outside of courthouse down in California, he said something like, you know, when you see a tugboat out in the harbor, that tiny little tugboat and it's trying to turn a massive ship at first you think there's no way to do it, but it keeps applying the pressure and the next thing you know that message ship is a turning around, and that's where we are, that ship is beginning to move. So get in your tugboat keep pushing, we can do this.
Dr. Paul 55:45
Absolutely. Thank you, Bernadette. Have a wonderful week. Thanks, everybody for watching.
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