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​Dr. Paul  0:24  
Good morning CHD Welcome to paediatric perspectives, where we are looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective. One that includes critical thinking, and is not afraid to give you the honest truth. I'm your host, Dr. Pol. My guest today is none other than Bob Sears. This is like a dream of mine to have you just one on one. Talk about our journeys. You and I have kind of in parallel, really gone through an experience with the whole vaccine question and I thought to share with the public our respective journeys might be helpful, because everybody's on a journey. Right? Right.

Bob Sears M.D.  1:03  
Yeah, yeah, it's this has kind of been a journey of my entire career starting actually way back then the second year of medical school. So yeah, I can spend my whole pediatric career on this journey through the vaccine. I don't know what do you call it? Controversy, conversation debate, then,

Dr. Paul  1:24  
right? I think we've both experienced something where because we were able to listen to our patients. And of course, we had kids of our own. So that helps open our eyes. We went from what we were taught in medical school, which was here's the CDC schedule, the AAP endorsed it as the academy, American Academy of Pediatrics that we've both been members of, for a long time, I'm no longer

Bob Sears M.D.  1:49  
Me, me, either. There

Dr. Paul  1:50  
you go. There's good reason for that, too. And then we because we listen, and we honor informed consent, that process of you know, sharing everything we know risks, benefits, alternatives, but allowing the parent or the patient who's the parent, or the parents making decisions for their child, that option of exercising their right to do whatever they feel is best for their child. And, sadly, a lot of our peers don't do that. Right.

Bob Sears M.D.  2:18  
All right, you know, the CDC was the ivory tower of information on vaccines and infectious diseases. You know, I was trained to not question them. But I will say I was trained Paul, to question Pharma. Right, as the train the question any pharma funded research? And that's really what what got me on this round? Not so much that I thought the CDC was, was not an organization I should no longer trust, but it's more directly Pharma? Yeah. And then, of course, so you know, I'm sure we'll get into this. But then you realize, firemen and the CDC, and our government and mainstream medicine, medicine are all in the same boat, you know, they're all holding hands, funding each other and guiding each other and influencing each other's policies.

Dr. Paul  3:07  
Ya know, I share that same experience when I was in medical school. I mean, the CDC was doing some good work, they were really documenting what was going on with infectious diseases around the world. And they were our go to resource, which to some extent, they still are, if we want statistics on certain things. But boy, did it become apparent over the years that they were completely captured, especially this last decade, but it's probably been going on longer than I realized.

Bob Sears M.D.  3:37  
And, and evidence of that. You can actually find this online. If you look at what's called the spider group of doctors, a group of CDC scientists essentially blew the whistle, saying that the CDC has been bought, or they're now being influenced by industry. They're being funded by industry. And we are no longer an altruistic, objective organization when it comes to information and policies that we make. And you might help me figure out you remember, what spider stands for is like scientists preserving integrity, and whatever D is in research, you know, if you google search that and CDC, you'll actually come up with the letter that they wrote to the Director of the CDC and that they published online saying, we are essentially calling foul in how the CDC is making their policies. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  4:39  
Well, and you and I way back when when we were getting waking up to what was going on, witnessed what happened at the CDC with whistleblower William Thompson. Yes. Right. So in our main journal, so pediatricians read one journal, it's called pediatrics. I mean, maybe you read some others, but that was our main journal. They published this article that supposedly the way it was written was there was no link between MMR and autism. And it was a decade later, pretty much when William Thompson came forward, he couldn't bear the fact that he was living with information. He knew that they were instructed to destroy some data so that they could show the opposite of what that article showed, what they actually showed was over 300% increase in autism and African American boys. The documentary Vax sort of outlined that information. But to this day, if you go to the CDC website, they hold steady to the lies that they had propagated over the decades.

Bob Sears M.D.  5:38  
Right. And then where are you see that the tie between government and pharma and and the CDC is that all of this was disclosed to the government? Yeah, there's a congressman Posey, I believe, yes. All the the scientific data were handed over to him, he reviewed it. And he showed it to his fellow congressman, and actually got up in front of the House of Representatives and told them all about this. And he was literally met with crickets on complete silence in the chamber. No house representative or Senator, I will I'm sure some of them have asked Senator or Representative Posey about this. You know, tell me more. It sounds it sounds interesting that the CDC would, you know, researchers there would correct commit such falsehood in the research? Tell me more, maybe we should investigate it? No, I'm not aware of any investigation that has occurred as a result of Thompson's whistleblower disclosure,

Dr. Paul  6:41  
right. Which is stays

Bob Sears M.D.  6:43  
quiet, you know, they hear something's going wrong. And they just do nothing. Because I don't know why. Maybe because they know that's where all their money comes from, perhaps. To the links there. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  6:57  
definitely. That shows how far back this goes, folks. That's two decades ago that this all transpired. And so yeah, Houston, we got a problem. So I'm going to just one minute, share my story. And then I'm going to throw the ball to you, Bob to share it. So we can just really quick bring people up to speed is how we got to where we are today. I think it's worth sharing that. So I was at Dartmouth Medical School, graduating in 1995, and went to pediatric residency board certified pediatrician for 30 years. It was in the early 2000s, I started waking up to hey, we've got a problem, kids are not doing well. And then in 2000 456, and seven, each of those years I had a kid regress from normal at age one to nonverbal, autistic severe symptoms by age two. And, boy, I had already been doing some deep dive, tending defeat Autism NOW conferences that were very well run, it was the best science I'd ever seen. Better than anything I had attended that was American Academy of Pediatrics, and became aware of the fact that there's plenty of science out there showing problems with the ingredients in vaccines. And over the years, we then started realizing there's problems with vaccines in general, triggering autoimmunity immune activation, the toxins within vaccines, and that these were closely correlated with the ongoing rise of chronic pediatric conditions. So fast forward, I published the vaccine friendly plan, actually, the book I was going to write which I ended up calling the vaccine friendly plan. This man I'm interviewing today, Dr. Bob Sears actually beat me to it by practically a decade. So right when I left my old group practice, because they wouldn't allow me to vaccinate selectively. The vaccine book came out and it's a masterpiece. You should own it. And he's actually updated it with a COVID chapter. So yeah, but I published in 2016 years was 28 2008. Right, Bob? Yeah. 2007 2007 for that first version, I know you've got a 2022 updates. So that's awesome. After publishing the vaccine friendly plan, the medical board in Oregon, long story short came after me incessantly. They asked that I prove that the vaccine friendly plan was as safe as the CDC schedule. That was when we published the huge study, vast and vast of actual patients born into my practice, every one of us, we looked at all health outcomes, something they don't do for vaccine research. And what we found was shocking to most I suspected, it was what we would find, but unvaccinated children are hands down healthier, have far less chronic disease, to the tune of 400 to 800%. On most conditions we looked at, and these were allergies, autoimmunity, neurodevelopmental behavioral issues, didn't matter almost what we owe infections. So that woke me up to what was going on the interesting story to finish it out. And then it's passing this to you a few days after that was published online. The American Medical Board urgently suspended my license and interesting I gave him the info question they asked for, and they responded by or suspending my license. There's a whole lot more, but I'm gonna leave it at that that was sort of my journey in a nutshell. And Bob, I'd love to hear yours.

Bob Sears M.D.  10:10  
Well, I think my journey Paul started in 1993, my second and my third year of medical school at Georgetown, they started the CDC declared, hey, we need to vaccinate every newborn baby against Hepatitis B vaccine, a sexually transmitted infection. And I was like, Well, that makes no sense at all. I'll just, I'll just set that vaccine aside. I won't think much about it, but kind of made me think, Hmm, why would the CDC promote this so heavily? And are any other vaccines on our schedule? Maybe Maybe? Do they promote those in a way that isn't maybe the best decision for every newborn in the United States? So that was one step. But the second step, Paul is, is when the FDA took the DTP vaccine off the market on right around the same time, because they finally admitted that that vaccine was causing severe brain injury. And you were practicing at this time as well. And they took it off the market. But when I did some more reading on that I realized parents had been crying for help telling the government their kids were being severely brain injured, for like 15 and 20 years before this, it goes way, way back. And the medical community was was covering it up. They were not admitting it. Everyone is staying staying silent about this possibility of brain injury from a vaccine. But when you look at the medical literature published in mainstream journals, it was very clear that there is a direct link between DTP vaccine and severe brain injury. And so that really disheartened me I thought, how can my medical community know something's happening, but continue a vaccine for so many years before they took it off the market? And so that is what made me start to question everything. So when I started practicing Paul in, in 1998, I thought, I'm not going to give every vaccine on a CDC schedule I never have in my office, I'm only going to offer the vaccines that protect babies from diseases that could kill, you know, severe disease, like meningitis or whooping cough, you know, for young babies, you know, is is pretty much limited to those two, you know, vaccines, I thought maybe rotavirus is rarely, you know, potentially fatal and baby. So I thought maybe that's a good idea. Maybe eventually you do an MMR vaccine down the road, but you skip a lot of the vaccines that are not necessary. So I was essentially what you said, selectively vaccinating my patients. And you know what, Paul, a mom came up to me at a conference about maybe 10 years ago or so. And she said, Hey, Dr. Bob, I love you. I appreciate you. I appreciate the book you wrote. And of course, I'd written the vaccine book by then, you know, with that presented this selective slow down vaccine schedule. And she said, I was following your suggested selected vaccine schedule and, and my child had a severe brain injury reaction to the one vaccine I gave him that day. And that hit me all that hit me knowing that even someone who knew there is risk to vaccination was trying to be really careful and go and vaccinate even just one vaccine at a time that there's still potential for a severe reaction. And, and my my practice essentially morphed probably throughout the 2000s to the early, you know, 2000 and 10s. To basically it shifted from a whole bunch of patients selectively vaccinating, to patients who didn't want any vaccines at all. And, and that became my practice, because every pediatrician in the area would check these patients out. Yeah. And so they all by default ended up in my practice. In fact, most people that come to my practice, don't even get vaccine advice from me. They don't even ask my advice. They've already decided they don't want to vaccinate, and I'm the only the only one that can come see. So I welcome them with open arms. What I've learned Paul, when I compare the 10 to 15 years of my practice where I was selectively vaccinating babies, and I compare the last 10 years where almost every patient does not vaccinate a baby at all. I have seen the same results that you have. I have not scientifically investigated the data and the statistics on the results. But I know as a pediatrician is my office used to be filled with patients who have ear infections, pneumonias, sinus infections, allergies, eczema chronic diarrhea, all kinds of illnesses and allergic problems that you know today Paul in my office with 99% of babies not vaccinating. You know, when it comes to the sick our at the end of every day in my office, I'm kind of sitting back twiddling my thumbs. No one's here.

Dr. Paul  15:18  
I have? Yeah, well, I've got to highlight that for people. If you heard that correctly, it is true. I started my practice with I built it with two exam or I missed two waiting rooms side by side facing the station, because I came from a practice that was just packed with sick kids, ear infections, you know, three to five times a winter for most kids. And over that decade, plus, I experienced exactly what you experienced, my sick waiting room was empty. My well waiting room was packed. We're we're rare in the pediatric community as far as having had this opportunity to witness how healthy unvaccinated kids are.

Bob Sears M.D.  15:59  
Right. And I like to explain to my patients, my theory on why that is, because I feel like scientifically, we don't really have enough, you know, objective, peer reviewed, placebo controlled research to really demonstrate for sure that this is true. But my theory, Paul essentially stems down to, to me not so much that vaccines are injuring a lot like a majority of kids that get them. What I do think they do is I think they might make your immune system less policy. And then why would that even be or how it's something that's designed to make your immune system stronger and healthier? How might it actually make your immune system less healthy. And it really comes down to the fact that every vaccine is, is completely artificial. There's nothing natural in vaccines all in, you know this, I'm just speaking to your audience, all the germ components they put in there are genetically modified, or genetically engineered, or crossbred, or grown in a laboratory in a way that makes them very artificial. And then you add ingredients that cause a lot of inflammation in your immune system, you're essentially hitting your immune system with extremely artificial versions of these germs that cause a lot of inflammation. So the immunity you're creating is not natural. And it essentially to me revs up the the allergic part of the immune system and revs up your immune system in such an artificial way, that it no longer knows how to work very well, in a natural way. When when a simple cold comes along, or you you get an ear infection, or you get some other infection that your body is supposed to try to fight off. It doesn't work as well, because you've artificially stimulated it repeatedly a time and again, as a baby, during the years when your immune system is supposed to be developing naturally. So that's why I feel like these kids may be a lot healthier if they grew up without vaccines, simply because you're letting their immune system grow in a healthy way and develop naturally without all of that artificial influence.

Dr. Paul  18:08  
Yeah, no, I concur. And there's plenty of literature out there folks, that shows that our approach of vaccinating realize we are bypassing the body's natural exposure to pathogens to organisms. Normally we breathe in viruses and bacteria, or they come through our mouth oral GI tract, in our immune system in both the nasal pharynx. And the GI tract is right there ready to recognize response sorted out and that sort of response develops a natural exposure like that develops both arms of your immune system, right so there's that T cell mediated, that's local that keeps the infection from even taking hold in the body, which is why natural is so much better for you. And and vaccines just focus on the B cells getting antibodies and antibodies alone is not good immunity and they win over time, which is why the vaccinated immunity doesn't seem to last like natural immunity does. But yes, the inflammation that's triggered auto immunity we saw with COVID, this interesting thing at you I'd be real interested in your experience with COVID. Just because like I had and I'm now retired. I don't diagnose or treat. I just inform this is a good platform to share information, but you're still practicing. So you have this huge population of unvaccinated kids. How did they do with COVID?

Bob Sears M.D.  19:27  
You know, Paul, thankfully, not just my kids, but children all over the country have almost universally done just fine with COVID. The published literature shows if he Tality rate in children of about one in every 100,000 children in our country, which is greatness and my my patients did the same. You know, I think I have a few patients that had to be in the hospital. You know, I didn't take care of them because I'm not a hospital pediatrician. Are they at least went to the emergency room. But for the most part, no one has died in my practice. In fact, no one has died in my practice in these 25 years for many infectious disease. Fortunately, I'm very blessed to be able to say that, that our whole country Paul, the children, did great with COVID. Except for that rare anomaly where there's that rare, very tragic fatality, which is such a minority of children when and when you look at the entire population, and but I would say I think my patients do better with every cough and cold and flu and routine childhood illness that comes their way. Even when I see hear infections, a lot of them don't even need antibiotics, because their immune system is so healthy, a their body sites through it really well. You know, same true for sinus infections, bronchitis, even even mild cases of pneumonia. A lot of these kids, though they'll fight through it, because their immune system is ready for it.

Dr. Paul  21:05  
Yeah, well, I would second your observation, I had the same observation, not a single kid. To my knowledge hospitalized for COVID. We had one hospitalized after they chose to go get the shot, a young teen got the COVID jab and ended up with myocarditis first case I'd seen in my career. But our kids did really well with this, the parents were sometimes sicker. And occasionally you'll have a grandparent right, that doesn't do well, if you have a lot of underlying serious health conditions. The other little thing I would just throw out there with the data has been manipulated in the US, because you're not considered vaccinated until two weeks after your booster dose or your second dose. So a lot of the deaths caused by the COVID jabs themselves would be documented as unvaccinated deaths, because they're not considered vaccinated until you've had your booster and you've waited two weeks, most of the deaths happen in the first few days to a week after you get the shot. So that really messes up the data when kids I think, have done even better than what the data says. That's certainly been our experience. This is really important folks to understand how amazing children's immune systems are. And I wanted to sort of wrap this this session up with a question that you've alluded to it by how you're allowing people to practice in your current medical practice, which is really honoring informed consent and letting them do what they wish. But if you yourself had to vaccinate again today, what would you do and why?

Bob Sears M.D.  22:37  
I remember, the, the medical staff had to chase me around the room in medical school, trying to get me to take the hepatitis B vaccine, the I still come for that. We all have to do that as a doctor. But what I would do today, Paul, if I was having more children today, I would probably raise them without vaccines. Knowing what I know now is, you know, knowing what I've seen with my patients over the years, I would probably raise them vaccine free. And and yeah, I'd say again, 99% of my patients do the same. And as a pediatrician, I'm able to see both sides of this because I do have some patients that want vaccines, and I do offer them in my office in a you know, I carefully give them after giving informed consent. I even tell patients nowadays, all I used to say okay, you can make your own decision, you know, you know, I'll just give you objective neutral, informed consent, but actually tell them nowadays, I'm more upfront, I say, you know, we can give you this vaccine, I want you to know that I'm, I'm not recommending it to you directly. I'm not advocating for this vaccine, I will give it to you, but it's not my recommendation that you do it. And and so I feel like I'm very fairly giving patients you know, informed consent when they decide to vaccinate, and then we do it as carefully as we can only against a disease that might be a really, really important, you know, vaccine for them. And then we make sure there's no severe reactions before we proceed with any subsequent doses. But you know, I myself I, you know, when we wrote our books, Paul, you know, people have accused, you know, my book and probably your book as well as being frustratingly objective. You know, people just want to be told what to do. And I rarely used to tell people what to do about my book or even in the office. But now I do, Paul. Now I feel like in that, in the sacred confines of the doctor's office, you're able to speak freely, and offer patients that objective and straightforward and balanced informed consent, so I'm very happy to be able to do that.

Dr. Paul  24:52  
Thank you, Dr. Bob Sears folks, the courage it takes to do what you just said you're doing is mind blowing. And there are only a handful to my knowledge, maybe there's a few more now after COVID of pediatricians in the country, willing to just speak the truth, willing to share all the information, not just take this farmer driven protocols that come down from above and, and really allow parents to, to get good information. So I thank you from the bottom of my heart, I'm in awe of you, I, I've respected you from day one, as soon as I knew about you and read your book. It's just incredible. And one last thought, and we'll wrap it up. So the unvaccinated kids and the parents of these kids get blamed for while you're the reason we have all these diseases. And you're you're not doing your part for society, right? I have a different take on that. And I'm interested in yours. I found as you did, the unpatched are so healthy, that they aren't posing a risk to anybody. And if one of our advanced kids got measles, we'd keep them home. Well, what's what's your take on that, that we're not doing the anti vaxxers are selfish?

Bob Sears M.D.  26:03  
Well, well, Paul, my take is that most vaccines don't actually even work by reducing the transmission of the illness. Most vaccines actually only work by making you the individual feel less sick, or maybe have a less severe course of their illness. But most vaccines don't actually prevent you from catching the infection and becoming mildly symptomatic and contagious to others. So for the most part, Paul, it doesn't even matter whether you're vaccinated or not, when it comes to the spread of illnesses. Now, you could also you could spend all day talking about this, the vaccines we know, in particular that don't prevent transmission and the spread for one is whooping cough vaccine. That's why we have whooping cough everywhere is the vaccine doesn't stop that spread. We suspect the flu shot does not prevent transmission, we suspect the COVID vaccine does not prevent transmission. We know the theory of vaccines back in the day did not prevent transmission. You could argue, Paul, that the measles vaccine may actually prevent transmission, it might actually prevent you from catching the illness and keep you from spreading to others. But, you know, there's a lot of drawbacks to the MMR vaccine as well. You know, there's this problem to vaccine with with one of the worst list of side effects. So I don't blame anybody for not getting an MMR vaccine, you know, to say you know, get measles protection but I do ask my patients, you know, if you are not going to get an MMR vaccine for that artificial measles immunity. Yeah, you if you catch measles you probably will do okay with the disease says it has such a low fatality rate, but stay home, you know, be responsible and you stay on for the 10 to 14 days, especially if you are around anyone who was part of a measles outbreak, where you travel to Europe and you get sick there and you come home with measles symptoms, or be responsible and stay home so that you can everyone should stay home with measles vaccinated or not vaccinated so you can keep the outbreaks as low as possible. Absolutely.

Dr. Paul  28:15  
So I'm going to give you the last word because I'm so grateful you came on the show, just a sensor to to parents and grandparents who are caring for kids out there, what your most important message you'd like to leave with them.

Bob Sears M.D.  28:31  
Well, I hate to see division in our, in our world and our society has so many things divide us, especially politics and sometimes religion. And, of course, you know, there's still racial inequality issues, Paul that we're dealing with. I feel like I hate to see the vaccine issue divide anybody. And I see, you know, vaccinated families, kick unvaccinated members out of the family or say you can't come over for Christmas schools. You know, we're not going to admit you because you're not vaccinated. And governments are now discriminating against unvaccinated people and the media are putting out stories that make it seem as if unvaccinated people are legitimate sources of discrimination, and that we are appropriate targets to shine out of society. And I hate to see that all I feel like knowing that vaccines for the most part don't prevent the spread of disease. We should all be able to be one people when it comes to your medical choices vaccinated or unvaccinated. We should all get along and love each other. And so I like to try to promote peace, love and understanding between two sides of this most divisive issue.

Dr. Paul  29:46  
That's beautiful peace, love and understanding folks. Thanks for watching paediatric perspectives.

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