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Dr. Paul  0:00  
Paul, welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. This is show 18 what I'm bringing to you today i'm bringing back Josh gets go. He is Harvard trained postdoc Associate Professor of Sociology and criminology. He splits his time between the US and Israel. And he's doing a deep dive. This is an area of interest of his in the various data on COVID-19. And the injuries that we're seeing, this is information that you just have to hear and understand and comprehend. So you can make good decisions about what you want to do going forward. Especially, we still have most children who have not been vaccinated yet. And you need to make a decision about that. Is it the right time to jump on the bandwagon and get that vaccine? Or should we pause, I'll let you decide. But listen to this information before you make that decision. He will also show information out of Mass General, on anaphylaxis. anaphylaxis is a potentially fatal allergic reaction. We're seeing more and more of these, there's a report about this. He takes you through the blood clot data, we're seeing more and more reports about issues with blood clotting from this vaccine. This is a real thing. It's of grave concern, even to the public health officials. And then he's going to give us an update on the situation in Israel, which is worth watching because Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries. And so their experience is pertinent. So we can get a sense of is this a good idea. We then follow up with Dr. Jennifer Margulis, she's my co author and a couple of my books. And she's gonna do a deep dive in the masks in a little different twist, by bringing to some of the information about the harm that wearing masks causes. This is especially pertinent for Oregon, where I'm coming from where our governor has just announced, kids going back to school in the fall will have to wear masks. And the reason this disturbs me as a pediatrician, is that you have a public health official, not a scientist, not a doctor making mandates that actually could be dangerous. So you've got to look at the mask data that's pertinent, and then make a decision about whether this makes sense. We know there are problems with masking children, masking people in general. And those are not being looked at. So we bring those to you. We end the show, like usual with news that's not in the news. Bernadette pager does a masterful job of getting to you the information that you just might not be getting. When you watch typical news. That's one of the big jobs of our show, against the wind, doctors in science under fire is bringing you information that you might not be getting the absolutely need. So you can make a good decision for yourself. I'm Dr. Paul, enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. My heart is heavy today. My heart's been heavy for a while, because of the incredible disconnect between what my loved ones are hearing on the news, what you're hearing on the news, and what's actually going on.

And I'm not going to theorize about why that is. But it just is. And so I'll give you an example, I talked to my brother yesterday. And he's had COVID was fairly sick, his son who has very significant renal problems was actually hospitalized with COVID. So my brother was fairly protected, you could say we know that getting the vaccine gives you very robust protection. And yet, he just got the COVID vaccine. Now I don't blame him one bit. He's got to travel. He's got company requirements that are sort of pushing him to do that. And even my own father, our Father, who's a PhD in theology, after watching the news convinced him that it was urgent or even emergent son, you've got to go get that vaccine. And I just sort of chuckled with him because I thought, hmm, you didn't approach me Your brother who does almost everything he's doing is about vaccines and being on the cutting edge of the information that people need. We laughed about it. I mean, I want you to know that I support you and no matter what decision you make, this, I think is important when you're talking to your loved ones. Let's say you don't see eye to eye on this vaccine issue. We have to meet people where they're at, because otherwise we alienate our loved ones. And what's so important is that we just share good information so we can make good decisions. So that's what I'm going to do for you today from the heart. I'm going to veer a little bit from just being touchy feely and trying to talk to you about love and kindness which is really so important to me, but there's some information you just need to know. So every winter as a pediatrician if you worked in an ER family practice doctor if your frontline primary care, you're gonna see the sickest patients who are sick generally with colds and flu. That season starts in the Northern Hemisphere for the United States that is usually around November, December peaks in January, February and then is over by April or May. And we will see that I'm sure this coming winter, we're actually already seeing a spike in cold and flu like illnesses and COVID. Some patients. Here we are mid summer. I think that's because of quarantine and everybody being isolated for so long. It's created a more vulnerable population. So we are seeing this unusual summer spike, but trust me, in the Northern Hemisphere come wintertime, we will get unless we're all quarantined again, we will get the normal cold and flu season which will include some COVID cases here in the United States just released by the CDC. Okay, this is the agency that most people think is the best source of information out of Barnstable County, a town in that county and Massachusetts surgeries and questions about breakthrough infections. Overnight an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts, growing to at least 256 cases, official saying more than two thirds of those testing positive are fully vaccinated for the dates of July three to 17. This year. So just a couple weeks ago, this ended that data showed they had 469 cases of COVID-19. In fact, it was that data that led to the new recommendation from the CDC that vaccinated people should wear masks when indoors. Well, why? What did they find in this group of 469 cases in Massachusetts in one little town in Massachusetts 74%. were fully vaccinated. They defined fully vaccinated as you have had not one, but two vaccines. And it's been at least 14 days since your second vaccine. I mean, these are the most vaccinated, they should have adequate protection, you've waited the 14 days so they can build an immune response. And in those highly vaccinated appropriately vaccinated individuals, 74% of these cases were found, the vaccination rate in Massachusetts is at 69%. So that would seem to tell us that getting a vaccine is a risk factor for getting COVID illness SARS, COVID to virus 90% of these were the Delta variants. So clearly, it appears to put you at risk for the Delta variant, which is also hitting younger and younger people. The data probably would have been even worse, had they really been fair about it. And whether you got one vaccine that should still count as vaccinated, whether you hadn't quite hit your 14 days, that should still count as vaccinated. So and the unvaccinated group included people whose vaccine status was unknown. So some of those people may have been vaccinated. So it's quite possible that almost all the cases were in somewhat vaccinated as opposed to assuming that 26% were in the unvaccinated. This is data from here in the United States this past month in July of 2021, showing that vaccination is not protecting us. So I'm not going to tell you what to do with that information. Just follow your heart, go with your gut, do what you feel is best. But what I would say is this, we need more information. And we need to pause on this massive rush towards more and more vaccines, when the data that's rolling in is absolutely alarming. So from the heart, I share this with love. I want you and your loved ones to be safe and well and healthy. And here's what I will say America's frontline doctors have amazing protocols, you can get an online consult, they will help you on what to do to prevent yourself or at least minimize the chances of you getting infection of SARS, COVID to infection, their protocols will also reduce the severity of those infections. And should you get hospitalized, they have protocols that will help the doctors treat your condition because sadly doctors today and I know many so I know this to be a fact aren't getting information from the public health officials. They're not getting information from the government on how to actually manage the sickest patients. They're just being told go home until you're sick enough and then come back and we'll put you on a ventilator. Well, we know that's inadequate. It's a tragedy because this is absolutely manageable, and largely preventable. I would just highlight having researched this extensively. You've got to be on vitamin D adequate levels, I would take vitamin D with kaitou so that your vitamin D gets into the cell, I'm sorry, your calcium that's absorbed by taking that extra vitamin D gets into your bone marrow, where it's stored. That's where we, your bones is where we store calcium. And that way it won't cause you any harm. But adequate vitamin D levels are absolutely protected they boost the immune system, take vitamin C, zinc quesiton. And check out America's frontline doctors. I'm Dr. Paul, thank you for your time.

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Welcome to another episode of against the wind. I am so honored to have Joshua Guetzkow back with us. It's been about three months, hasn't it? Since we were together? Seems like ages. So much has happened in just three months. It's a crazy yeah, it is absolutely insane. You come with a long list of amazing credentials, you got your ba at Berkeley, you got your masters and PhD at Princeton, you've done postdoc work at Harvard, you are a professor or Associate Professor of Sociology, criminology at Hebrew University in Israel. And you've done a lot of work on COVID, which, of course is so important in our world today just because of everything that's going on. So I wanted to ask you, if you wouldn't mind to go ahead and share with our viewers your information that you've put together on the there's data on the Mass General study on anaphylaxis that shows under reporting and why that's worth being aware of. You've done some analysis on blood clots, and then I'd really love an update on the situation in Israel and why that's instructive to all of us. I know you've got some information on declining effectiveness of the vaccine that's being used there, the Pfizer vaccine, but why don't you take the reins and and I'm eager to see your presentation.

Joshua Guetzkow  12:56  
Great. Thank you, Paul. Thank you, again for inviting me to be on and I'll try to move through this as quickly as I can. I know there's a limited amount of time I got a lot of material to cover. So here's my presentation, I'm going to share this with you, hopefully you can share with your viewers so they can follow the links or look at the tables again if they want. Okay, so I've been looking into adverse events, I started looking into them for COVID vaccines already back in like January, February. And one of the things that you see, I've seen in many places is a graph something like this. Okay, so this particular one shows all deaths that have been reported to various. But here you have a graph from basically when Vera started, the number of deaths that were reported to vaers, since since back in the day, and then you see this huge spike in 2021. And this spike here represents only deaths that were reported for COVID-19 vaccines, not any other vaccines. So, so far, and by the way, sorry, this data is from back in, only goes back through mid June. As you know, they're updating varies every week. And it's just hard to keep up and redo the analysis every week. So I've been focusing on some other things. But you know, the story hasn't changed that much. Right. I

Dr. Paul  14:17  
think it's more than doubled since then the number of Now you might

Joshua Guetzkow  14:19  
be right. It's tricky, though, because we also have to keep in mind that a lot of the reports about 20% of the reports are coming from outside the US. So some of the analysis I'll show you I'm just restricting it to us analyses. But but these are these are all their reports. Yeah, no, it is it is huge. So it's probably more than 50% now, and then you show this to somebody you're like well, here's, look. It's you How do you explain this? And here's what a skeptic will tell you, the skeptic will tell you Well, the reason that the number of deaths reported has gone up or all reports have gone up is because they've been giving so many more vaccines. Okay, well, yeah, maybe that's true, we have to look right. So what do we do? What do you know? How do we, how do we deal with this criticism? Well, one way to do it is just to look and see, well as a percentage, or as a rate of all the vaccines are given out, what is the rate? Okay? And this is important to understand about veirs. Okay, because this is what bears is for it's for this, with the CDC calls signal detection, the virus was not designed to detect if a vaccines cause any of these adverse events. Okay. And it can't really be used for that. As much as we know, people want to say, Oh, well, this is clearly a case that the vaccine caused this, that or the other, really, you know, you have to be very, very cautious in interpreting fers data. Wait, what they do use it for what the CDC does use it for is to identify unusual or unexpected patterns of reporting. Once they find a signal, okay, a signal says, Wait, there might be something going on here, then you follow it up with better data, and appropriate methodologies. Okay. Of course, one of the problem with bears is it's passive, right really relies on people to voluntarily report, and that leads to a lot of underreporting. So there's NEC 2015, there's this paper written by people at the CDC about how do we use what is theirs? And how do we use it to to monitor safety, okay. And you'll see here in this yellow, the highlighted practices analysis also includes evaluation of reporting rates of adverse events in the context of vaccine doses distributed for use in the US marketplace. So what that means is, let's look at how many reports there are as a as a function of how many vaccine doses are being given out. And when we do that, we sort of control for the number of vaccines being given out, we see here's a, here's a graph. Now, this only goes back the last 10 years. What I've done here is I've estimated every year how many vaccines are being given out. And you would think that that number would be something you could easily Google and figure out how many vaccine doses are administered in the US, in general, on average in a given year, and the number is about 260 million.

That the CDC offers very good data on how many flu vaccine doses are distributed, but not good information on childhood vaccines. And so it's about 160 million flu vaccines and another 100 million childhood vaccines, it's probably a little bit more than that. But I made a conservative estimate here. You know, I went through and estimated this fairly carefully. And again, conservatively, this is no doubt an under understatement of how many other vaccines are given up at the number of COVID vaccines, we have very good data on that. What we find here is that now at this, we go from 30 times the annual average to about 24 times the annual average, which is a difference of about 20%. So what we could say is that maybe the increase in the number of vaccines accounts for 20% of the difference that we're seeing, but that's it. So that can't explain this huge increase that we see. Okay. Now, anybody working at the CDC, or again, sort of in the field, skeptical will say, Well, what about stimulated reporting? Okay, stimulated reporting is a term of art they have, which basically means that reporting can be increased due to greater awareness of, there's greater media, publicity of adverse events, more fear about the vaccine, of course, they're going to blame anti vaxxers. And sometimes they say, you know, what, a lot of these reports to bears are just fraudulent, you know, you can look at them, and you can, you know, you can cherry pick fraudulent reports, it's not that difficult. But they're very, those are very few and far between most reports are, you know, submitted by medical professionals. And also, the CDC has said that the, the system is working fine. So if there was a real problem with fraudulent reports, they wouldn't say that everything's running fine. So I put that aside, but still this issue of stimulated reporting, people are, are afraid or whatever, more awareness. So the reporting more, so maybe that's what we're seeing, maybe that's why there's this huge increase. Okay. Well, it's a reasonable hypothesis. We have, we can't we can't just dismiss it. But but but the CDC has a methodology for trying to figure out if that's what's going on, okay. And in 2010, they wrote a paper after the h1 n when the swine flu vaccines were rolled out, and they saw an increase a big increase in reporting. And they said, Wait a second, Is this because of there's a real problem here? Is there a signal right there trying to detect a safety signal? is there is there something we need to be worried about here and they concluded in their analysis, that there was no safety signal, it was just stimulated reporting. Here's the paper and You know, I'm not gonna go through that much, but they're breaking it down by age groups. And they're looking at, you know how many there are. So what they're doing here is they're comparing reporting for the h1 and one the new vaccine from the new swine flu vaccine to other flu vaccines from previous years paying they're looking at instead of looking at the total number, they're looking at kind of the pattern of reporting, like what percentage of reports or serious reports, what percentage are for Ana? Not anaphylaxis. gamper re. So they're looking and they're saying that well, even though there's an increase in the number, the proportions of reports for these different outcomes are similar to the flu vaccine. So because the proportions of different types of reports are similar, they conclude that it's really just a stimulated reporting. People are worried about it, they know about it, whatever. Okay, now, and here's a table from their paper I'm not going to go into but basically they look at different age groups, they take the number of reports, they look, what percentage are serious, what proportion are aghion baray? And is there a statistically significant difference between the new vaccine and these old vaccines? In some cases, they find a difference, it's higher, in some cases, it's lower, whatever, but for the most part, there's not these huge differences, according to them, okay. So I did the same thing. Basically, I've looked at COVID-19 vaccines compared to flu vaccine reporting for Well, he this table just looks at 2016 2017 and 2018. And the later tables I have look at from the flu seasons from 20 1516 1718 and 2019, using exactly the same methodology that they use, but actually with a with a with a bit of a twist, because in that paper, they sort of look at per vaccine dose, the rate of reporting per vaccine dose. And in my some of my work, I go into that in more detail. So here in this table, you can see these different types of reports. And you can look at the COVID vaccine dose versus flu. So you have for example, 9.1, reports for COVID vaccines per 100,000 doses, given out compared 2.3 for the flu. So you see there's a relative difference of like 30 times, right, there's 30 times more reporting, now.

You can go down death 82 times hospitalized 30 times blood clot related events, seven times more likely, myocardial infarctions, 12 times more likely. And if this was all about elevated report, stimulated reporting, right, what you would expect is that these relative differences would be pretty similar across different types of adverse events. If it's just like, well, there's 2020 times more reports, because this simulated reporting, so you'd expect a relative difference of about 20x plus or minus. But because they're so different, it's it gives us an indication that this isn't just stimulated reporting, right, there are real differences here. And we can go through now, we have to keep in mind that the age profiles of who's getting flu vaccines, who's getting COVID vaccines are very different. So we need to take that into account. That's what the CDC did. So I'm basically, you know, really just by the book, kind of trying to replicate their methodology here. This is for age group, ages 10 to 17, this should be 12 to 17. But there for various reasons, I wasn't able to do that, but doesn't really make much difference. And we have here like okay, so on the left, we have the COVID-19 vaccines, we have all the different flu seasons, and then we have a total myth of just the total number of vaccine doses and reports for all those flu seasons. And so you see the number of reports, you see the rate per 100,000 vaccinations for all those different types of vaccines, and then you see the rate the ratio between the number of reports for COVID and flu. And then all of those are statistically significantly different from COVID to COVID reporting rate. So you see all reports. You have serious reports and you have deaths. Okay, this is ages 10 to 17. Now, I want to point out here, that under deaths, there was an all of those five years of flu, there was one death reported for that age group, compared to COVID-19, which up until June 25. There were only 13. There were there were 13 reports of that only 1313 reports of deaths. Now, if you want to try to understand what's the ratio between 13 and zero, it's infinite. Right? So you could almost, you know, here at the very bottom, it says that right there the ratio of COVID reporting to total flu reporting is 78%. 78 times the reporting rate per vaccine dose that's being given out.

But in most of those years, there's no reports for flu at all. And that, you know, what's the ratio between 13 and zero, it's, it's if you don't, you can't divide by zero, right? It's infinitely larger. So it's just a hugely 78 kind of doesn't capture the real difference here that we're seeing. And we can go through all the different age groups and look at the same kind of thing. But I'm just going to take you to this last table I have, that kind of summarizes it, it takes all of the flu years, and summarizes these different for each different age group. And what you're seeing here is, you know, let's just look at the deaths. Okay. You're seeing these huge, hugely increased number of numbers of reporting for COVID-19, vaccines, vaccines compared to flu vaccines, right, in terms of the deaths that are being reported. And the biggest, biggest difference is with the 65, and up age group, I mean, four deaths per 100,000 vaccine doses. That's, that's huge. Again, we can't say that all of those deaths are actually related to the vaccine. But what we can say here, this is very clear. I mean, it's coming through loud and clear through the numbers, that there is a very strong signal, a very strong safety signal here, we have much higher rates of serious events being reported much higher rates of deaths being reported. And it's such as much higher, okay, right. It's the pattern of reporting. If this was about stimulated reporting, we would expect these ratios to be pretty similar across different age groups, and across different types of events, all events, series, events, deaths. And what we're, what we're seeing here is that they're not that there are some age groups, where you're getting massively higher reports of deaths. And in all age groups, you're getting much more much higher rate of reporting of serious events compared to all events. So, you know, according to the CDC, its own methodology for detecting safety signals. There's clearly a problem here that the, you know, the CDC and other health, public health officials need to look into this and they're not you know, they're they're asleep on the job. I'm not connected to them. I don't know anything, you know, I, this isn't my job. Right?

Dr. Paul  27:35  
Right. Why

Joshua Guetzkow  27:36  
did it fall to me to do this, this simple type of analysis, right?

Unknown Speaker  27:43  
What's your question? Quick question for you.

Dr. Paul  27:45  
If just looking at this, kids aren't dying from COVID. You know, their death rate is point 003, I believe, something like that. So this death rate in that younger age group with a 10 to 17. That's huge. That the vaccine is killing kids. And they aren't at risk from the disease itself. So that one's an easy one for me to wrap my head around. But on the other age groups where, you know, we know the disease might be a little more risky, especially the very elderly. Is there a way of sort of, like temporarily saying, oh, there's a there's a timeline of they get the vaccine, and then they're dying fairly soon after the vaccine, so you can get a better sense that it's actually related as opposed to just an association?

Joshua Guetzkow  28:35  
Oh, that's a great question. I remember reading a paper recently that's looked it looked carefully at some random sample of reported deaths. And he said, Well, and only 14 of the cases, were we able to exclude the possibility that it was the vaccine that caused it. But I do have a graph here way at the end of my presentation, I'm sorry, I'm gonna have this. Okay, so this looks at Jason's vaccination that the reports are so 45% of all of these reports. Again, this is up until mid or late June 45% of the reports come within the first three days after vaccination, almost 20% of them on the same day as vaccination.

Dr. Paul  29:17  
And that is significant. I'm curious what your idea or thoughts are about why there's the second spike in the weeks, two to four.

Joshua Guetzkow  29:26  
I don't know. It's, it's, it's interesting, actually, because I saw that as the data was evolving, cuz I've been looking at this, you know, pretty much weekly since since February or so. You didn't have that, that that big, that spike in the middle. At the beginning. It was just really more than just a few few days before after the vaccination. And I don't know. I gotta tell you, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I remember a story that I don't remember when it was back in February, March, there was a woman in her 70s who got vaccinated and California, and she was sitting there under observation. 15 minutes later, she felt bad, she fainted and they tried to revive her. They failed. And she died, essentially, within an hour of being vaccinated. And all of the papers were saying, she got vaccinated and died from something else, right afterwards. And then you're like, well, how did you know that? In some of the articles, they said, well, we're still investigating what was the cause of the death? Wave? They're still investigating? How can you, you know, announce in your headline that they she died from something else? They haven't investigated that yet. And you know, what I, what I'm seeing basically is there. They don't know why, in many cases, other than anaphylaxis, they don't know why these vaccines are causing a problem, or could lead to death. They don't know why. And so since they don't know why they they conclude that it didn't happen, right? We don't know. And therefore, it couldn't have happened. Well, that's, you know, that's just a bogus line of reasoning. And very unfortunate, right, that people are so quick to dismiss the possibility, just just out of their own ignorance. I did mention the anaphylaxis issue. So and you mentioned that in your introduction. So I do want to get to that. But I just want to say one, just a couple of last things about this analysis. I did another analysis here, and I'm not going to belabor it just so your readers know about it. I looked at instead of looking at per vaccine dose I just looked at what's the percentage four, out of all the reports that come in, what percent are serious, what percent of our deaths, and I compare that to the flu vaccines. And if you look, if you take the total flu vaccines over the last five years, which isn't 2015 to 2019, you see these other ratios appear, which doesn't supersede the other analysis, which I think is better, because it shows per vaccine dose, it makes a little bit more sense. But the point is that this is also in the CDC paper. And this, this analysis also shows that the rates of reporting for different age groups and different types of events are very different from each other, again, indicating very strong, you know, safety signal, and it's just completely being ignored. Okay, so about the under reporting. So everyone says, oh, there's this heart. Oh, okay, I got this. There's this other thing here, where I compare these different types of reports across flu and COVID vaccines. And you do see some areas where flu vaccines are more likely to be reported, like, call it injuries, which is basically just a messed up with the injection or something went wrong with the injection skin disorders so that you're much more likely to get a rash after a flu vaccine. immune system disorders, you're more likely to feel like you have the flu after you get a flu vaccine. But for many of these other types of things use they're much more likely to be reported for COVID vaccine. So cardiac issues, nervous system issues, musculoskeletal issues, vascular issues, respiratory issues, these are just some of them are I got a headache, I felt dizzy, I felt shortness of breath or whatever, but some of them are very serious. But you can already see a difference in the pattern of reporting, again, indicating a strong signal that this isn't just, you know, stimulated reporting. Okay.

So people like to talk about what's the, you know, this Harvard study that showed 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported what this this is the top one HMO grant report, it wasn't Harvard, it was Harvard Pilgrim health care, which is not Harvard. It's just an HMO. And they they wrote this in their grant report, they don't say where the figure comes from. They don't cite it or say that it came from their study. So I'm not sure where that number is coming from people like to report it. There are other studies that have been done, also by the CDC that showed different rates and stuff like that. But let's set all that aside and talk about COVID. What do we know about COVID? Under reporting and you mentioned the study on anaphylaxis. Okay. So the Massachusetts General Hospital, did a study of their employees a survey, and they tried to estimate how many employees or what percentage of employees had an anaphylaxis reaction. That's a life threatening allergic reaction after the shot now, just after the COVID vaccines were released to health workers and in England, came down with anaphylaxis or had anaphylaxis reactions. And since then, it was kind of known and accepted that this is a potential risk of the vaccine known and accepted by mainstream sources, right. You can read about it on the CDC website. Nobody's nobody's denying that this can happen. And and in that, according to that study, they came up with a bottom line number of about 2.5 per 10,000 vaccinations. Keep in mind this is a reaction that is most likely to be observed by healthcare officials because it usually happens within 15 to 30 minutes after your vaccination. Showing you're supposed to be under some kind of medical supervision.

Dr. Paul  35:03  
Yes, I just gotta highlight something here, you just said, over two out of 10,000. So over one and 5000 individuals can have an anaphylaxis reaction to a COVID vaccine. Right? That's not one in a million that we're hearing in the No, no, it's not. And that's a serious, potentially fatal reaction.

Joshua Guetzkow  35:25  
It's, it's this is the worst of all allergic reactions where your cardiovascular system shuts down. And you you can die, one in 5000. That's huge. It is huge. And that's why they they're telling people, you got to be under observation after the vaccines, they didn't start out that way. But then once they realize that this could happen, they're like, we got to do something about it. I don't know how many people are actually hanging out, you know, and sticking around. Right?

Dr. Paul  35:51  
I was gonna say they're giving these shots in churches I read they were going to give it at McDonald's, drive throughs are still all over the place here in Oregon. Yeah, this is

Joshua Guetzkow  36:00  
concerning. It is what it sounds. So the CDC has an estimate based on vaers, where they say it's point oh to 2.05 per 10,000 people that's based on fares. Remember, this is under reported voluntary data. And so but now we have this survey that shows pretty clearly they were very careful in their analysis, right compared to theirs. So we can see what's the underreporting rate, if we assume that, you know, the numbers coming out of the Mass General paper are applicable to the entire country. So it's an under reporting of to 2.8%, meaning that the true number of anaphylaxis cases in the various data we need would need to multiply it by between 50 to 125, to get the true rate. Now, remember, this is anaphylaxis. So there are other side effects where people don't recognize it, they deny it, they ignore it, it can't possibly be related to the vaccine. And so we could expect the underreporting rate for other things to be even higher.

Dr. Paul  37:00  
That that's a really good point you make Gosh, so much of the side effects, or ill effects we're seeing from vaccines in general, but this COVID vaccine in particular, are new things and or they are things that no one has ever thought were related to vaccines. So we simply don't make the connection.

Joshua Guetzkow  37:20  
Right? Absolutely. And so if we look at the numbers, again, this is back from back in like mid mid June, the numbers have gone up since then I haven't had a chance to update it. But you know, here's the total number of these cases, events, cases are people who are, who are reporting events is what are the things that they're experiencing, right? So people can have multiple symptoms that they're reporting, it would be the events, and then you have the serious hospitalization deaths, and then you can just multiply that by 50. Right to get these nor 125. And you get these, you know, massive numbers of 600,000 deaths. That's, you know, it's probably not 600,000 deaths, I think that would be you know, that was not something you can just brush it under the carpet or Gaslight people about that. It's certainly bigger than 4800. That weekend, this is just from the US. And this is, you know, as already over a month out of date. What is the true num? What are the true numbers here? We don't, it's hard to say, you know, but if you think you go back to those tables I was showing you and you might start multiplying by 1050 100. You know, it's it was what was it like six or four or six per 100,000 vaccination deaths reported for 65 and older per 100,000 vaccinations was, you know, multiply that number by 1050 100. It's huge. Again, we don't we can't say that these are all related to these were caused by the vaccine. We can't can't say that. But but it's alarming. And given the other you know, the pattern of reporting showing a clear safety signal. It's time for people to wake up and take this seriously.

Dr. Paul  38:53  
Yeah, well, if Josh, I guess I would just highlight to our listeners, if you have a loved one or you yourself have gotten the vaccine, well, if you yourself, get a vaccine and die, you won't be able to do anything about it, you're dead. But if you have a loved one or a relative who's passed away, don't forget to look at the issue of did they get the vaccine? And if so, could it have been a factor? Because I really do believe, to some extent, how huge it is we don't know. But to some extent, this is just not being picked up because people aren't asking the question.

Joshua Guetzkow  39:27  
Right now, I can't give you know, I can't tell it give anybody. I'm not gonna tell anybody. What's your risk benefit analysis here? There are clear risks to vaccines, there are clear risk to COVID. One thing I can definitely tell you and I'll get to this when we're looking at the Israeli data is that if you've ever had COVID and you're recovering, you've recovered, you know, your protection is far, far better than then with a vaccine. And

Dr. Paul  39:52  
that risk analysis to me is also clear if you've had the illness. It's way riskier to get the vaccine. First of all, you And you're already extraordinarily protected compared to the protection you even get from getting the vaccine. So that one's an almost a no brainer. Yeah. Although then again, we're not telling anybody what to do. This is just an informational show. But you, you should make your own decisions when you do everyone else's.

Joshua Guetzkow  40:15  
Yeah, apparently, you had mentioned the the, here's a little history of some of the harms caused by vaccines that have been approved. I'm not going to go through this. But you know, one of the things I, when I take what the vaccines aren't safe, and people are like, well, but 40,000 people, it was a, you know, clinical trial this than the other. I'm like, well, the history of vaccine safety shows that, that doesn't mean a lot, because there's lots of vaccines that were approved after large trials that turned out to be problematic. So one of the things that we learned about recently is this issue of blood clotting after the vaccines. And what you'll see in the mainstream media is, well, they're very rare. And they're really only linked to the Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines. And it's this very rare syndrome called TTP or TTS thrombo thrombotic, thrombocytopenia poor or whatever syndrome, which basically is like this weird thing where you get blood clotting and low platelet counts, because it's weird because platelets are what causes clotting. So you wouldn't expect clotting would quit platelet with low platelets, but I'm not gonna go into why that's the case. But this again, this is already from back in like May or June this this these numbers, but basically, looking at reports of this problem across these different reporting systems. three countries have suspended AstraZeneca vaccines, a bunch of others suspended it temporarily in the US, they suspended the Johnson Johnson vaccine after just six reports of this event happening. They didn't conclude that that was caused by the vaccine. They just said, Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. Wait a second. There's a there might be a safety problem here. Let's Let's hold our horses. But they never tell you anything about other types of blood clots. So I went through the data in the US data in the UK data reported in the European Union to look at all types of blood clots, not just this very rare event. And this is again from back in May. I haven't updated it. But you haven't you're looking at almost 30,000 events related to blood clots are potentially probably related to blood clots. Some of them are clearly blood clots, some of them are frequently are usually caused by blood clots associated with about 2400 deaths. So yeah, this is of may 8 2021. can look at the US eu occlusions, which is like a blockage, embolisms, thrombosis, I'm not going to get into the medical ins and outs of here and you can look, you know, this is the number of events this is the number of deaths, these different types of things that are related to this. These are deaths that are associated with these types of problems. What are some of the worst offenders here? We've got myocardial infarctions, which you remember that the ratio of reporting of myocardial infarctions to flu vaccines was seven to one, seven times more likely to be reported epor COVID-19 vaccines and a flu vaccine, luminary embolisms all this stuff. Okay. So these are, you know, these are pretty serious events. Again, we don't can't say that these are necessarily caused by the vaccine, you just say that these were reported following vaccination. And if they follow the other pattern of deaths, I haven't actually looked at that, and probably most of them reported within a few days. So just, you know, bottom line, this, we're being told that there's this very, very rare occurrence of this, you know, where TTP blood type of blood clots. And all of these other blood clots are just being completely ignored. nobody's talking about them. They suspended the Johnson Johnson vaccine after six reports of the TTP, and here you have hundreds 1000s of these reports for all the different vaccines. Just to go back here, you can look for each of these systems, I'd look at all the different vaccines they're reporting on. And you see for Pfizer, Madonna and change it you've got, you'll have fewer numbers of blood clots being reported for all these other vaccines. And then you go through the, you know, all these recent studies that have been done know why they tried to look at why would the COVID vaccines cause blood clots, and they're finding that the spike protein that the vaccines are making the body produce can cause blood clots and various different ways by various different mechanisms. I'm not going to go into that, but there's links here if anybody wants, can follow up and learn more about those studies.

Dr. Paul  44:42  
So Josh, you're a professor of sociology and criminology. Yes. The heck is going on here. I mean, you're having one brand being stopped at just a handful of events and the others are given a free pass. This is no flag to you. Yeah, I

Joshua Guetzkow  45:00  
mean it, you know, it kind of shows a kind of, I don't know, to me, it just reeks of some kind of corruption or industrial sabotage or, you know, some combination of both. I don't really know. You know, can I mean we can whip up all kinds of theories tap into various conspiracies between health agencies and companies and you know, we're gonna sabotage those guys, or we're gonna sacrifice those to make the other ones look good. You know? I don't know. I'm like,

Dr. Paul  45:31  
yeah, it just it does seem weird. It's weird. Yeah. I interrupted you carry on? Tell us what's going on in Israel. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Joshua Guetzkow  45:42  
So, there's this paper that was recently published. And then they republished the result, the bottom line numbers of this in the Wall Street Journal a couple of days ago. But basically, they're saying, No, no, remember that the Pfizer vaccine is the only vaccine that that is been approved in Israel. It's the only one that's in use as of now. And they're saying, well, the efficacy has dropped to 39%. And what they're basing this in this on is PCR, testing positive PCR test. So if you're, if you're testing positive, doesn't mean you're sick, just means you're testing positive. So I said, 39%. And then they said, Well, you know, but but it's still 91% effective at preventing serious illness 88% effective hospitalizations, just to give you a little background, what's going on in Israel, right now, there was a period of relative calm. In the spring, everything, you know, started to open up again. And, you know, last time I was here, I was talking about the Green Path system that they were at implemented, that they were going to restrict all of these people. And they did, and a lot of people lost their jobs, because they weren't willing to get vaccinated. It was a really horrible situation. But I have to say, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be, but wasn't forced very well. People didn't take it that seriously. In some cases, they did. But in many cases, they just asked, Do you have a green pass? And you say, Yes, go continue on or whatever. Now, things are starting to get worse, or at least that's the picture that they're painting, they're starting to do a lot more testing. People are saying that delta variant is causing a lot of infections,

Dr. Paul  47:16  
are they actually testing for the Delta variant.

Joshua Guetzkow  47:18  
I did see an article that said that about 50% of the positive retested cases were Delta variant. So I assume that they are testing for that. I don't know how sound the sciences and making these distinctions and how quickly they're able to get all of these new testing kits, you know, they've paid, they've already bought millions of testing kits, and now they've got to get new ones to it. So I'm not going to say anything. But what I will say is that this news has been interpreted as a sign that the Delta variant that the vaccine isn't effective against the Delta variant. But if you read the article more closely, they say, well, we don't know if it's the Delta variant, or the vaccine effective, efficacy is waning. Because it turns out that some of the worst situation is taking place among the elderly who got the vaccine first. And it's already been like six months since that happened. And so they don't know if it's the Delta variant, or the vaccine effectiveness is just waning. And I think that data is more and more data coming in, I think, they're going to conclude that the vaccine effectiveness is waning, it's not really the Delta variant. I don't know exactly how they came up with these numbers. But this report is not transparent in terms of what timeframe they're looking at, and stuff like that. But we could look at some more recent data. So here's from July 4, to 10th. And we're looking at so here on the right, you've got the percent of the population in that age group that are vaccinated, and then you can see the percent of cases again, these are positive test results in that age group. And they're almost the same, right? You've got like 91% of the this older population is vaccinated. 88% of the people who are testing positive are in that age group. And you can just go down the line, and you can see that there's almost the same number. And so what this indicates is that there's basically virtually no protection being offered by the vaccine in terms of testing positive. And in fact, this is comparing the percent of people this is July 11, to 16th. And they're looking at Well, what's the percent that tested positive by vaccination status in Israel, and the official numbers take into account they include the 12 and under group and the unvaccinated population, but of course, they're not getting the vaccine. And so it's really a sleight of hand kind of statistical trick to include them in the analysis and when you take out that group, and you just look at 12 and up. Okay, what you can see is that in the 11th 12th 13th of June about the same percentage of vaccinated and unvaccinated were testing positive About 8.8 point 9%. And then as time goes on, they're less. Oh, you know what I wrote this wrong? I'm sorry, the orange it says vaccinated 12 and plus it should actually be unvaccinated. So the orange line is unvaccinated the green line is vaccinated. And so what you're seeing is that as, as these days go on, there are more and more vaccinated people testing positive and the unvaccinated are not being as a percentage are not testing positive. Again, you have to take out that 12 and plus, and so what you're seeing here is that this is growing disparity, and it shows that if you just compare those numbers, it shows that is that time goes on the effectiveness of the vaccine could be seen as as a negative number, actually, that you're more likely to test positive. I know it's not it's written as a negative number, but basically, you know, sort of like, if, if vaccinated and unvaccinated or be testing positive at the same rate, the effectiveness would be zero. Once the vaccinated start to be test positive at a higher rate than the effectiveness goes down, it becomes a negative number. It's actually less effective than unvaccinated. Of course, we don't know what percentage of these groups already had COVID have recovered from COVID. That may play a role here, right? Because if the unvaccinated are more likely to have anti, you know, have recovered from COVID.

Dr. Paul  51:24  
Yeah. So question for you, Josh, in thinking about this data that you're just presenting what percentage of the Israeli population at this time is vaccinated for COVID?

Joshua Guetzkow  51:35  
I should have checked that number. It's very high. It's something around 70%. And most of the people that aren't vaccinated are people who are children, aged 12 and under.

Dr. Paul  51:48  
And the last couple of tables that you presented are these absolute numbers are these relative to the number of people who've been vaccinated or unvaccinated?

Joshua Guetzkow  51:58  
So these are relative to me, this is like the percentage of people who are vaccinated. And again, this orange sorry, this orange numbers, unvaccinated 12 and older. So it's, it's totally relative to the number of I have a bigger table showing the actual numbers, but I didn't include that. And then you can look, well, that's just the number of people that tested. Do you have another question? Sorry?

Dr. Paul  52:16  
No, that's good. So then you can look at

Joshua Guetzkow  52:19  
Well, what about, you know, serious cases or deaths. And here you can see starting in July 1 among people who are hospitalized in serious condition with COVID-19, what percentage of them are unvaccinated? And what you can see is that the percentage of unvaccinated in the hospitals is going down since since July 1, so it gets down to around 30% in the last few days. Well, that would mean

Dr. Paul  52:45  
this matches the population of Israel right yet. Well, 30% are unvaccinated? Oh, no,

Joshua Guetzkow  52:51  
it's much, it's much less than that. It's more like 10% or something like that. It's like a million, it's as much smaller number. So what this is showing is that there's a much higher proportion of vaccinated people in the hospital in serious condition as compared to their rate in the population. So you're more likely to be in this last few days anyway, you're more likely to be in the hospital, in serious condition. If you're Vax, taking into account the number, the percentage of the population that's vaccinated, this is just showing that you're still more likely still more likely to be in the hospital in serious condition, even though there's a large percentage of the population that was vaccinated. And I just saw a headline saying from one hospital where the guy was saying that 90% of the people in the hospital were vaccinated. And then if you look also, you can look at the number of deaths then you can look at so green is fully vaccinated. Red is unvaccinated. So you can see that back in May, June, there weren't very many vaccinated people that died of COVID or with COVID. You know how they do that. But now, in these recent in the last couple of weeks, almost all of the deaths that have occurred are among the fully vaccinated. So there's a very strong indications that for whatever reason, the vaccine is no longer effective. And of course, the way they're going to use this is to say, well, you got, you got to get a booster, right. But we don't know how long that's gonna last and how many times you're going to need to get a booster. And of course, we know that in some cases. At some point, there's just waning effectiveness of vaccines, and it doesn't matter how many boosters you get, it's not going to help you at all. So we're navigating in uncharted waters. Just a few months ago, they said, Oh, well, the vaccine offers much better protection than the natural infection. And now we know for certainty that that isn't true. Right.

Dr. Paul  54:43  
Let me ask you a question about this table for July. Alright, so I'm seeing 123 red bars and then a bar with two people. So that's five deaths where red unvaccinated individuals Yeah, and then we've got 24 we're vaccinate fully back. stated. Okay, so five out of 24. That's the proportion of the deaths from the red which are your unvaccinated? That's more than if we're saying 70% of the population is vaccinated. This is more than 70%. This this green here. Right? So yeah, it's it's clearly if you can take July as as an July is not even over yet. But But if this trend continues, I mean, this is just one month. But if this trend continues, that's pretty clear, powerful evidence that vaccination is a real risk factor

Joshua Guetzkow  55:38  
for death? I don't know, you know, you could call it a risk factor, I would just say that it's not offering protection against death. I don't know if it's actually making your chances worse at this point, I haven't done a careful enough analysis of these. I just actually found these data last night as I was preparing for our conversation. I never dug into them much. But I will say that if you look at these numbers from this article, I was talking about, you know, 91% effective, but hospitalizations 88%. My guess is that that those numbers are coming from? I actually think I remember reading about it that basically, you know, they're coming from May, since May, right? They're not that most recent numbers, the recent numbers, just from the last couple of weeks are painting a very, very different picture than what you're reading about here and in the journal, why

Dr. Paul  56:27  
I hope you'll come back with updated information in a month or two, if this trend continues, it's really important information that we just don't see that information and the things that I'm reading, it seems to be hard to find. It is it is and

Joshua Guetzkow  56:44  
I can read Hebrew a bit, and I am on these Facebook groups where people are sharing this stuff. But yeah, so I'd be happy happy to come back in a couple of months and do some more careful, careful study of these these numbers.

Dr. Paul  56:58  
Yeah. To wrap up, Josh, what what closing, I can't remember, if you had other information you want to share what closing thoughts do you have,

Joshua Guetzkow  57:07  
as far as I can tell that our public health agencies that are supposed to be protecting us are asleep at the wheel when it comes to vaccine safety, I don't think this statement will come as any shock to most of the people listening to this. But after my own analysis of this using the CDC, his own methodology, it's just clear that there's shouting signal of safety here. And it's incumbent on on our public health officials to follow up with this seriously and take it very seriously. And they're just not.

Dr. Paul  57:38  
So last question for you, then, how do you explain the complete absence of this message in the media? I mean, all my family members, most of my loved ones, they don't have any access to this information. They're just hearing, you know, COVID is dangerous and get your vaccine?

Joshua Guetzkow  57:57  
Well, you don't have to, you know, you don't have to spin into conspiracy theory, which you could but you don't have to explain it right. There's the for those regulatory capture, which is well recognized in the academic literature. That's for regulatory agencies. And for the media, it's ad ad dollars, right? I think I've heard figures, like the majority of ad money in a non election year comes from pharmaceutical advertisements. I know in Israel, one of the biggest TV media companies is owned by a company that the owner of that company is this big billionaire in Russia, who also has another company that has a huge investment in bio and tech, which is, you know, the Pfizer vaccine, and so he stands to gain hundreds of millions of dollars from the successful Pfizer vaccine. So there's these huge conflicts of interest when you go higher up, you know, in the hierarchy of who's sitting on which boards, I think, you know, the President, the CEO of Reuters is on the board of advisors for Pfizer, or one of the other big companies. And so you know, you have, in addition to all this ad dollars, which are really more relevant to the US than other countries, because you see the same thing in other countries where there isn't any pharmaceutical advertising. So, you know, you could look at all of these conflicts of interest that they're, they're all working to make a buck, and unfortunately, they don't care who they hurt in the process.

Dr. Paul  59:29  
Yep. Well, with that message, folks, my only recommendation is remember, you are in charge of your own health. This might feel like a scary world. But when you're informed with information, Josh, you just gave us an immense amount of information. Now, folks, we can use that information to protect ourselves from harm First of all, and if you do happen to fall into harm, there are so many ways to heal. And so stay tuned, we cover these things on this show. Josh, thank you for your really important presentation today. And I hope you have a good time there and the rest of your vacation.

Joshua Guetzkow  1:00:09  
Thank you, Paul. Just one last point, I welcome anybody to reach out to me and email me at that email address on my presentation.

Dr. Paul  1:00:17  
Thank you for that Josh. We will put a link in our on our show notes. And we're going to make the entire presentation available, at least to members but possibly to anybody that wants to just tap onto it. So appreciate you very much. Great. Thank you, Paul. Yeah, take care.

Welcome to against the wind. I'm Dr. Paul. And it is a real privilege today to have my co author Jennifer Margulis, you drove up from Ashland, you are an award winning medical journalist, you have authored so many books, including our my two best books, which I couldn't have done without you, the vaccine friendly plan and the addiction spectrum. So thank you for driving up to be on the show. It's nice to be here. Dr. Paul, it's so great to have you in the studio. So we're talking today about masks. And in fact, you brought it to my attention before I even saw it myself that the American Academy of Pediatrics, my Academy just came out with an announcement that children should be wearing masks from age to up.

Jennifer Margulis  1:01:16  
Yes. So what they were saying in this new announcement was that anyone between the ages of two and 18 should be masked all day in school. So that the AAP is saying that kids should go back to school in person, but they should be wearing masks full time.

Dr. Paul  1:01:32  
To me, that's just horrifying. As a pediatrician, knowing how claustrophobic I am with masks, it's the whole reason I wouldn't consider any surgical specialty. When I was in training, I knew I did not like that sensation of not being able to breathe adequately. And for children, there's the whole added thing of not being able to read facial expression, I just have no idea. What's this gonna do to our society? I know as a journalist, you've dug in a little bit into this, what did you find?

Jennifer Margulis  1:01:58  
I have well, so I like to start with all the peer reviewed science and geek out and read every single article I can get my hands on. And I should say first, this is a very controversial topic. And it's a trigger point for a lot of people. So some people are absolutely sure that these masks are completely necessary. And their blood is starting to boil even as we get rolling. And other people feel like the masks are totally detrimental. And I think that the truth, like the truth often is, is somewhere in the middle that there's nuance. But the most important thing, Paul, is that the largest study to date that actually had a control group. So it's very hard to see how do we measure the effectiveness of this, we have to figure out, are these masks effective in preventing COVID-19? Are these masks potentially harmful in any way? And then we have to do a risk benefit analysis. Right? Right. So the largest study today was done in Denmark, by Danish researchers looking at data of almost 6000 people enrolled in the study. And that was a study that had a control group. So it had people wearing masks and people not wearing masks. And what they uncovered was that there was no statistical significance in the difference between people who ended up with COVID, who were wearing masks and people who got COVID, who weren't wearing masks. So the thing is, is that that recommendation, if you read through the whole study, it says that the people who were wearing masks got a little bit less infection rates, but there was no statistical significance. Right. So that so that's that, and that was a study in adults. And then we have to look at the kids. And we have to look at what is happening if you are putting something over someone's nose and their mouth, and they're just have these floating eyeballs. And we know for example, this is a this was an opinion piece that was put in Scientific American, that babies and small children need to be able to read facial expressions, honestly, Paul, so do grownups. I mean, I find it incredibly alienating to walk into a room where everybody's masked because I'm a very empathetic person, I want to be able to know what you're thinking, I need to not just see your eyes, I need to see your face and your nose, too. And if I say that people say, Well, how could you possibly tell me that I just tell people not to wear masks? That's dangerous. You are responsible for killing people? Well, if we don't have a statistically significant difference between masking and not masking, in terms of spreading COVID infections, nobody's killing anybody by not wearing a mask.

Dr. Paul  1:04:20  
So folks, you can have studies that show all sorts of things, but we want data that's statistically significant. And if there's no significant difference between wearing a mask and not wearing a mask, why would we want to subject children especially but anybody really, to wearing something that is compromising your ability to oxygenate and to expel the carbon dioxide? Something that, frankly, early on in this pandemic? I did some research and found out that you can kind of liken the size of the SARS COVID, to virus to a mosquito and the mask to a chain link fence and how hard is it for a mosquito to get through a chain link fence. That's sort of The nature of this when you really drill down into actual microns, and the size of these things, we know from that just from theoretical science that it probably wasn't going to make much difference. And you're reporting on massive, very good sized study that showed no statistical difference. I want to ask you about something else, though. So it appears the bulk of the data is showing that masks don't make a difference. Sure, we can always find studies that were sort of poorly done. That suggests maybe there is a benefit. But the science as far as this common sense, this is the size of these particles. And then here's a good study would say it doesn't. What about the other side of this decision? We want to rip away risk benefit? how risky is COVID? to children? anyway?

Jennifer Margulis  1:05:49  
Oh, I thought you're gonna ask me how risky is wearing the mask? So I want that as well. Okay, well, let's talk about those things. So that's the thing is that this is an incredibly mild infection. For most children, they're going to be asymptomatic, we have no evidence that asymptomatic children are actually spreading it at all. In fact, we have quite a bit of evidence that suggests that they don't spread it. So the vast, vast majority of kids, Paul, who get the covid 19, infection are going to recover with very few symptoms, if any at all. And that's not to discount the the times when somebody does have a bad infection or you know, or dies from it. I'm not trying to lack compassion for those people that serious I want to take that seriously. But in this is CDC data in the zero the age range of zero to 19, it's something like 99.997% of kids ages 00 to 19, are going to have very mild infections, and perhaps not even be symptomatic. And considering that our CDC tends to inflate the numbers of people with COVID, that is probably an over estimate of the risk of COVID-19 for children.

Dr. Paul  1:06:56  
So your chance as a child all the way up to age 18, or 19, of having a serious complication of COVID is point 003. I mean, that's like basically zero. Now, that's data, or Yes, that's a collection of data from the CDC that looks at all the reports coming in. I'll report to you from my practice with over 10,000 patients for over a year that since the beginning of COVID, we have had not one child end up in the hospital in the emergency room or die. None of the children in my practice have gotten the COVID vaccine, at least not to my knowledge, it hasn't been available for children Anyway, here in Oregon. And so only very recently in the last two, three months have some teenagers been able to get it and have in fact, we've had a couple hospitalizations, one for sure with neurological problems from the vaccine. So we are already even though very few of the patients in my practice have had this vaccine, seeing complications from the vaccine, but we have not had any hospitalizations, ER visits or deaths from the virus. This has been a large over 10,000 patient pediatric practice. So that's another piece of the data. Yeah. Tell us the other side of the story with regards to mask benefit risk?

Jennifer Margulis  1:08:12  
Well, I mean, that's the thing is a lot of people say, well, it's just a mask, what's the big deal. So it's just a mask, just wear it just comply, just conform. And the thing is, is that it is a big deal to a lot of people so so I want to talk about kids with special needs. I want to talk about kids who have sensory processing disorders and who are on the autism spectrum. And for them, they literally can't wear masks. It's it's absolutely upsetting to them, and it and it and it kind of blocks them. Any child who needs to read lips who's hard of hearing or who's deaf. I mean, I have a colleague, a close colleague who's profoundly deaf, and when people are wearing masks, he is completely shut out of all society. So when people say, Oh, it's selfish not to wear a mask, it's also selfish to assume that everyone can wear a mask without any negative repercussions. So let's think about the kids with autism and the kids with sensory processing disorders and the kids who are hard of hearing or profoundly deaf. And also, there are harms to everyone and wearing a mask. So even if the masks work, let's just say that they do we have problems with the way that they're being worn. So a man with a beard who's got a mask on there is no way that that that that person is not spreading the virus. In fact, if we really want these masks to work, every single man in America needs to shave their beard so that they can wear them tight fitting, right?

Dr. Paul  1:09:31  
I'm not liking where this is.

Jennifer Margulis  1:09:33  
No and neither am I. And if you suggested that to somebody, it would be ridiculous. How could I tell you, Dr. Paul to shave your beard? Well, if you actually want this to work, you would have to be wearing it in the most effective way possible. And we're not doing that. Another problem with these masks is so we have disposable masks. We have cloth masks, right? The disposable masks have been found to have microplastics in them so we are actually inhaling Mike plastics into our lungs, which is not healthy. That is not what you want to be doing and other masks have been found to include graphene. I think that's what it's called. Is that what it's called? Yeah.

Dr. Paul  1:10:10  
And other chemicals. Yeah.

Jennifer Margulis  1:10:12  
Okay. So the massive In fact, so there was a study done that was published in the Journal of hazardous materials that showed that these disposable masks contain hazardous materials, including graphene and other nasty chemicals. So if we're going to be bringing breathing and micro plastics and other chemicals, what are the long term effects of that? No one has studied the impact of we have actual carcinogens because some of these masks also off gas formaldehyde. I don't know if you

Dr. Paul  1:10:40  
read that. And I and I, I smell it when I put them on. There's something that's Yeah, they're distressing to my sister.

Jennifer Margulis  1:10:46  
Yeah, there's a reason why you're getting a headache after wearing them. So it's not only that they're limiting your oxygen supply and your ability to breathe fresh air, but they're also you're actually breathing in harmful chemicals. So you know that we all know that, you know, exposure to chemicals has cumulative effects. So we have to ask the question, are we going to see an uptick in lung cancers and other forms of cancers, because we are inhaling dangerous particles? All of this concerns me, I, I think what happened was the mask became kind of like a rabbit's foot, like people felt like they would be protected if they just wear these masks. And interestingly, the CDC has said all along, you're not wearing the mask to protect yourself from someone else, you're wearing the mask to protect someone else from you. So everyone who puts a mask on thinking that it's helping them is actually supposed to be wearing that mask to protect other people from them. So it's really gotten kind of out of hand, to be honest. And I think it's time to take the masks off.

Dr. Paul  1:11:43  
Yeah, I agree with you. Although I would add this caveat to those of you who are watching some of you have lost loved ones to this illness, some of you are very high risk, if you are very old, if you're overweight, if you have a lot of chronic problems, especially that affect your immune system, or your heart and lung system, kidneys, you are at higher risk, perhaps I'm going to throw this out to you you're you're a good medical researcher, and you've done the deep dive into this. But perhaps if you want to go out and have some measure of protection, you get an N 95, nicely fitting mask and a shield. And then you will be somewhat protected. And if that helps you feel better about being able to go out, I think you should do that. I don't think you should insist on other people wearing masks that first of all, aren't going to do anything or much and could harm other people, the person that you're insisting they need to wear that. And if you're truly super high risk, you know, you should quarantine Anyway, there's no way you can be safe out in public, especially closed spaces. And so you just quarantine yourself until we're through this. And it looks like we are getting through this pandemic.

Jennifer Margulis  1:12:51  
Yeah, I mean, of course, I'm 100% in favor of choice. So, you know, if you feel better, whatever measures you have to take to feel better are the measures that you should take? It's the question of telling parents that they're not allowed to send their children to school if their children aren't wearing masks makes no scientific or health sense.

Dr. Paul  1:13:09  
Yeah, I'm aware of a school in Florida, Layla centner has a school where they have done no masking, no social distancing. They've even asked their team of teachers and other workers not to get the vaccine. Due to you know, abundance of precaution. There are some reports of some shedding of maybe the spike protein, you know it, there is some evidence that that's a possibility. So taking an abundance of caution, the precautionary principle, they really had a natural environment for their children, and have done just fine, no serious problems whatsoever. So that might be a model of how schools could go forward this fall

Jennifer Margulis  1:13:47  
absolutely well, and also, let's look at the Swedish model. So in Sweden, they never, they never close the schools, and they never masked the children. And they have had better outcomes this entire time from COVID-19 than we have in America. So in America with the lock downs, the enforced masking, and all of these other policies, our outcomes were worse than in Sweden, where nobody wore masks except on public transportation. And in high risk setting. Sometimes people were wearing masks, but people were not wearing masks in school. In fact, in Sweden, it was the opposite. If you came to mount, if you came to school with a mask on, you would be told to take it off. So again, it goes back to choice. I think of course, if a child wants to wear a mask, that child should wear a mask. If they don't want to wear a mask. They shouldn't I don't think we should be imposing it. But let's look at later. Let's look at lailah centers. It's called the center Academy in Miami. And let's look at the outcomes among schoolchildren in Sweden. And this is super awesome because what it means is that kids can go back to school they can enjoy each other. They can play together. They can breathe fresh air, they can smile at each other, they can even you know hold hands and hug and all the rest of it and they are not at risk.

Dr. Paul  1:14:54  
Don't hold hands too. Absolutely.

Jennifer Margulis  1:14:56  
Yay.

Dr. Paul  1:14:57  
I'm so glad you're here on the show, folks. There you have it, you've got the authoritative information from Jennifer Margulis herself, about masks about kids going to school, just get to school, enjoy the presence of your classmates, you can hug hold hands. And really you don't need to worry. The other beautiful thing about kids is they have a natural immune system, what we call the innate immune system that is superior when it comes to fighting the SARS COVID. To this COVID-19 illness is most resisted by your natural, innate inborn immune system. You don't need the big antibody response that we're chasing with the vaccine. So let's get our kids back to school and thanks for watching. I'm Dr. Paul.

Welcome Bernadette pager back to against the wind are in the news segment. Bernadette pager is the Public Policy Director of an informed choice Washington, also an informed life radio, and of course, a regular member of against the wind. I am excited for the journey you're going to take us on today. It is actually exactly the journey I see myself going on for the next few months. I'm scheduled to speak each month for the next four months. And my hope is to incorporate into my typical data driven talk, this whole issue of how we communicate with others effectively so that they can be empowered so that they can make good choices. It's so difficult in the current time we're in. So take us on your journey today.

Bernadette Pajer  1:16:35  
Yeah, thank you. And and thank you for going on this different journey today. As I was exploring what to bring you What news, everything was so heavy, you know, there's just so much going on. We're in this massive push coming from all directions. I get phone calls and emails every day, asking for help, which I'm happy to provide. But what do I do my employers demanding? My school is demanding, I'm so afraid, right? And I just feel like we all need to really figure this out together. And what is needed is a different attitude, a different stance. So I'm going to share with you you in the news. So what would you do if you were writing a book? And you had people in the situation that you are in now? What would you want your character to do? Would you want your character to cave to coercion? Would you want your character to just give up and cower? Would you want, you know them to maybe decide to do something brave and bold? Right? So the best? The best movies, the best books that you read? Why is not easy for the characters? They go through a lot of challenges. And and that's why we enjoy the journey. We watch these characters, face adversity face difficult things, face situations, like how are they going to get out of it? And the more difficult it is, the faster you're turning those pages because you want to know what do they do? And you're cheering them on? And they inspire you, right? Well, you know, this is where we are now, Dr. Paul, I wish it was not real life. I wish we were all writing books. And this was the plot. But this is real life. So I encourage people to sort of step back and and think of yourself as a character in a book, what would you want the hero of your book to do next? And yes, you know, we are all asking who will save me we all have that question. And yes, we do need to turn to each other turn to the experts in the science, in the medicine. In the legal field, we need each other. But we can't ask all these other people to save us. We have to be part of the solution. We have to save ourselves. So as we're out there looking for heroes. We have to know that we are heroes ourselves. If we just turn around we just do a little self introspection, we can be those superheroes, each and every one of us in the office, we're all being faced. Do I tremble in fear? Do I stay silent when I know wrong things are being put forward when I'm asked to do something I don't believe in do I do it? Or do I turn to my inner hero pull out that cape and decide to fight. So it all starts with you know you might be sitting there and desperation your head in your hands. But then you just take that first step you begin to stand up and off you go, you know we can do this. We can do this. The simplest solution to everything going on all this sort of tyranny that is happening in so many aspects of our lives. That's that's removing informed consent that's removing medical freedom, removing personal freedoms in so many ways. The simplest solution is also the hardest. At first, it's the hardest, because you've never done this before. But then it becomes truly liberating. So what do you do? You say no, when you're asked to do something, you do not believe in that you know, to be wrong. You say no, saying no, is simple, and very difficult. Because saying no may mean, you know, you're putting your your job on the line, you have to pull your child out of that school, you have to give up a particular sport for a time, you have to change your goals change your way of being. It's simple and very hard. You have to say yes to what you believe to be right. You have to just live your truth. Live what you believe to be right, that's the only path forward no matter what the laws, say the order, say, you have to live in your truth. You have to embrace this challenge. Embrace the change. Think of yourself again, in that book, what would you have your character do? What would you want the character in that movie to do? In that moment back to the wall? Right? What would they do? That's what you do, you become the hero. And we do it for ourselves, and we do it for our kids. This is what we need to do. And

Dr. Paul, the reason in particular, I wanted this conversation with you, is because you have been on this journey for a couple years, everything I just described you have been through. So years ago, as a practicing doctor, who was giving vaccines according to the schedule, you know, doing everything that you thought was proper and right and expected. Um, you began to see harm happening to some of your young patients. And when you realize that the one size fits all approach was not only not working, but it was harming some, you decided to go against the consensus, go against the flow, go against what's expected to you. And that was probably, I think, one of the most difficult decisions that you ever had to make, knowing the arrows that you were going to face. And then there's more. But I want you to talk about that moment in your life right now to tell individuals who are facing something similar, what it was like and how you got through it.

Dr. Paul  1:22:51  
Wow, thank you, Brad, that you who is watching you, our viewer, you are that individual, just like I was some years back, faced with what you probably sense is a massive decision that you feel powerless over because of all the external forces that are being applied on you. And I'm speaking of, for example, what's happening today is you've got to get the COVID vaccine, or you're you pretty soon you see your kids being forced to get in or they can't go to school, or you're gonna lose your job, or you're not gonna be able to travel, et cetera, et cetera, right, all these external pressures that don't fit the situation. I mean, come on. bodily integrity is the most basic of our human freedoms. And that's being violated or being threatened. Right. So let's go back to your question. I was in this position for a debt of becoming aware because of my patients, actually. I mean, I was just a Dartmouth trained board certified pediatrician doing what I thought was best, which was to follow the CDC schedule. And it was my patients who are coming to me going, this is what happened after we got this vaccine or this series of vaccines. We lost our kid to regression into autism or allergies or autoimmune conditions. And at first, I was in complete denial. I it didn't fit my paradigm. Right. And I think this is the same thing that's happening today. For most people. Our paradigm is we believe people who are in authority, we believe the news we believe mainstream, it's all over every single channel. It doesn't matter if it's Fox or ABC, NBC, CNN, they're all for the most part saying the same thing about COVID. And, and so they must be right. But it doesn't fit with what we're seeing what we're feeling what we're experiencing. So when there's there's this disconnect, the only thing we have folks is our own power of thought. Nobody can take that away from you. And so you will either choose to live in fear which unfortunately most of the world has been doing because of the massive The slide across all these media forms, including social media, or you have to find a way to shed that fear and grab back your own power converted that that's what you're challenging people to do today. And I am so grateful you're doing that, because we don't have to agree on the science, it's still unfolding. You know, some of us who have access to a lot of information from around the world, are seeing a pretty clear picture of real danger with this vaccine. But others who are getting their information from just mainstream sources are seeing the exact opposite. And so who's right? Well, I'm not here to figure that out for you, but you do have the power of thought. And you have the power to choose freedom, and faith over fear. And when you do that, it will resonate within your spirit within your soul within yourself. And you'll be willing to be that superhero for yourself. So my journey back to your question, I really digress there. I don't feel like I had a choice. Bernadette. I once I saw what I saw and knew what I knew, and did my own independent research in the peer reviewed literature that's out there. Once you know something to be true. And I've heard, I actually argue with really good friends about truth, right? Well, you have your truth, I have my truth. I really believe the truth is singular. When you come down to an actual truth, right? We can manipulate facts, we can manipulate data, and we see this happening all the time. While we follow the science, you'll hear that on all sides. But what's actually happening to you a person or to your friend or to your loved one is undeniable because it happened. That is a fact that is a fact, we call that real world, right real world data, nothing manipulated in a study that has an outcome that is pre determined by the way the study was designed, that can give you truth, but it's just not really real world. So you live in the real world, I was living in the real world, and I had a choice to make, I could turn my back on the 1000s of children under my care, knowing what I knew, knowing that I would continue to put them in harm's way. Sure, most of them would be okay, or many of them would be okay. But I was going to be part of a system that was harming children. When I'm called to do the exact opposite. It was no choice for me. The choice I did make, though, was when to roll out a more public.

What do you say information campaign to say here, here's what I know. So you know, when I wrote the vaccine friendly plan that book in 2016, that was the beginning of my saying, okay, here you go world, I've stumbled on some Inconvenient Truth, some inconvenient information. I say inconvenient. That's maybe not the right word. It was inconvenient to me, because I knew it put me in danger. Right? It is inconvenient to you, that you have become aware that the COVID vaccine has real risks, really, really big, scary risks. Now, the the extent of those risks is still unfolding. We don't know what percentage of people are going to be killed. We don't know what percentage of people will end up with autoimmune conditions or severe lifelong allergies and other things, right. But we know it's happening. So that's really inconvenient. When the system says you must get this vaccine, or you can't have your kids in school, or you must get it to work, or you must get it to travel. That's really inconvenient. What do you do? Well, at least a third of the country is choosing so far not to get it. So you're not alone. And therefore, I love your hero analogy. Each one of you watching and hearing this information has to become your own hero. And you've got to become the master of your own thoughts, the master of your own destiny. And if you're a parent, the master of your children's destiny, do not give up that power to anyone else. shed the fear, grab hold of your own future. And you've got a great future coming. It really can be and will be great. Will it be hard? Oh, boy, you know, it's gonna be hard, right? I mean, my story you've you've heard it on this show. I mean, they took my license. They gave it back with restrictions. I've got a huge trial coming in January. They may take it again. Why? Because I'm willing to speak what I know so that you have a chance. There's no other reason that there's no financial incentive for me not to be vaccinating. I lose over a million dollars a year in my practice for the vaccines that aren't given. And financially I've been devastated by this whole process. But I speak on because I don't feel in my case, I don't of course I have a choice. I could cave and just go with the flow and get the money that doesn't resonate. With me, it doesn't feel right. And so while I'm passionate about getting the information out to you, I want to tone it down so we can reach each reach each other on a heart to heart level. Really, it comes down to you feeling empowered, shed the fear, grab hold of your own strength in your own power and be your own hero.

Bernadette Pajer  1:30:18  
I so love that. And I recall a little while ago, and things were getting really bad for you for having gone on this journey of following your heart and soul and doing what is right. where things were getting really bad. And then you you know, you started the show. And I recall you saying when once you realize that you could choose and be successful, in many ways, with your, with your life experience and and serve people and serve children, that you could reinvent yourself and you were going to be okay. You it was liberating to you. Right?

Dr. Paul  1:30:57  
Yeah, no, absolutely. In fact, even still, I just had an aha moment. This past week, when I realized that deep down, I was still fearful of the board. So the the Oregon Medical Board, I practice in Oregon, whatever state you practice in, if you're a clinician, if you're doing healthcare, somebody licenses you. And they grant you the right to do what you do. And they can also remove that. And and I realized deep down, I still wanted to have my license, I still wanted that freedom to practice my trade and my craft. And that was actually keeping me in fear. Because if I really wanted that, then that meant they could still hold something over me this week. I mean, this is the first time I'm speaking it out loud. I decided I won't live in fear at all. They can take my license or not whatever happens happens. It's It's It's has to be that way. Because then I'm free. So going forward, folks, I am free. You will hear from my lips, what I know to be true. But also I'm going to try to not say that my truth has to be your truth. We just want to have you join us on this journey, the deep dive into figuring out what's right for yourself. And yeah, grab your own superhero, and do what you know you need to do for you and for your family.

Bernadette Pajer  1:32:23  
Yeah, I love that. And I want to share one more time. This final image this this is every parent This is every person we can we can do this, your life may not when you make some of these difficult decisions that you're that are being put before you. You might have to change the direction you thought your life was going. But know that you're not alone, that if you reach out to others for support, we will be here. And the future, our children are depending on us to lead the way. And it is liberating it is it's exciting to think that we can make this world a much better for your place. It'll be will be better than we were pre COVID

Dr. Paul  1:33:14  
Absolutely. Yeah, there is transformation coming and when you have this much turmoil, you know, big changes coming. And so just this is absolutely the moment in your life where you need to grab hold of what feels absolutely right to your inner core to your soul to your being. And when you when you do that, despite the consequences, you'll know you're free. So join us. Thanks for watching. Thanks, Bernadette.

Bernadette Pajer  1:33:40  
You're welcome all

Dr. Paul  1:33:41  
and we'll see you next episode. help me spread the truth and share this on social media and with their friends at doctors and science comm I look forward to running with you against the wind. Go to our website doctors in science comm sign up. Donate if you can. Let's make this the weekly show the nation's been waiting for. I'm Dr. Paul

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