Dr. Paul 0:06
Dr. Paul, welcome to with the wind science revealed. My guest today is Richard Moscowitz. family practitioner for 50 years, we discuss natural versus vaccine induced immunity, the importance of getting childhood infections. And then he shares deeply from his heart with DD profound insights about not having his own family follow his approach, and on what the word truth means. Enjoy the show.
Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart, we're going to touch on the unknown and what to do about it. You know, in the fall, we've typically been worried about flu, it's a seasonal thing. Now, it's not just flu, it's COVID, RSV, and the flu. Nothing has happened yet. And yet, you've sensed this anxiety and tension around at all. So I would encourage you to think about this, make a decision now, before anything happens about what you're going to do. So if they mandate masks, I'm not going to wear them. If their mandates for vaccines, I won't comply. If we have a total lockdown in the state I'm living in. I'll leave the state. I think if we make those decisions ahead of time, there'll be a lot less fear, and you can move through it Evers coming with a sense of confidence and peace.
Welcome Richard Moskowitz to with the wind science revealed it's such a privilege to have you on the show.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 1:54
Oh, it's great to be here. Thank you, Paul.
Dr. Paul 1:57
I wished I had known you probably about 45 years ago, you were on top of a lot of the information I've had to sort out over the last couple of decades. And you've been on top of this. So I'm really looking forward to talking to you. Right? You have been doing family practice for 50 years, actually, since I was 10 years old. You are working in the homeopathy area for I think about 45 of those years. You've written five books, couple of them on homeopathy in 1992 and 2001. I've just finished going through your vaccines, every appraisal that you published in 2017. That book is so timely for folks who haven't to be listening and haven't heard of that book. It's that one right there. It's so well done. So thank you for that. You've written so many articles homeopathy, vaccines, chronic disease. As we get started, I like to get to know know you a little better. Can you talk about your journey? Maybe if you want as far as right back from childhood, through medical school, and what got you to go towards homeopathy?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 3:03
Boy, that's a good story. Yeah, hi, I just, I never felt right. In medical school. It just didn't. I had ethical problems. But I also had scientific problems. And they were all mixed up together. And it really, you know, it really wasn't until later until I started practicing. It was during the Vietnam era. And I realized that the imagery of medicine is military. That was anti biotics seen anti hypertensives and the war against cancer and it was military and I was active in the anti war movement and put it to me in a clearer way. That was dense,
Dr. Paul 3:51
I think back to our residency training. And there's this hierarchy, just like in the military, of the medical student looks up to the intern who looks up to the resident who looks up to the attending. And the orders come from above we follow right.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 4:04
Exactly, exactly. And there were orders that I couldn't follow that I but I wasn't, I was too timid to protest them. I just would have sent myself. When I was a junior in college, I got a traineeship in biochemistry at a Cancer Research Lab in Maine. And an involved was very routine and involve injecting some mice with various chemicals and checking the electro phoretic patterns of their serum proteins, which was a new method at that time. And then you would sacrifice the animals at the end of it, which was maybe three or four a week. And then I just it horrified me. I just felt the routine pneus of it really. I felt like I was being trained to be Dr. Mengele in this place. was in house tickets for mice,
Dr. Paul 5:03
pretty other mice are not treated well in medicine, that's for sure.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 5:06
So I would just go to the library and hide out there. I just didn't want to do it.
Dr. Paul 5:13
Yeah. Hey, was there something in your childhood that sort of prepared you to be aware of these things, or maybe to be different than the standard medical student.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 5:24
But it's interesting, because I've thought about that a lot. And what I always come up with is my grandfather's death at the age of five or six. And I remember when I saw him in his last days, and he looked really sick, and I took it, that night, I realized that he was going to die, and that I was going to die. And it just and it was shared me, it was a standard of truth that was utterly unprecedented for me. So it just, it just crystallized for me something that was completely unacceptable, and yet completely certain. And I'm sure that had a lot to do with why I became a physician because because I basically, academically inclined, I'm very studious, and a professional life history or philosophy would have probably suited me better. But for some people, I needed to deal with this in some way. And and at the same time, it was so frightening to me that I'm sure it also had to do with my reluctance to study and at the same time,
Dr. Paul 6:40
but doctors are all about preventing death. So how did that how did that set you apart from others?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 6:46
Say that, again,
Dr. Paul 6:47
we're not actors in general. And we were all taught and we were all about, we're going to keep people alive no matter what. So it's about preventing, about preventing death. But your you went a different route, it seems.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 6:57
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's what was a powerful teaching experience. For me a learning experience, who's one of the formative experiences of my life, I'm sure. And, and it continued, like when I was in high school, and I tried out for the football team. And they had us running up and down the field, doing wind sprints, and I was getting really winded. So I went to the doctor by myself for the first time. I was like, 15. And he practiced my chest, and he listened to my lungs. And he sat there very thoughtfully. And really, he said, sonny boy, we can all be Jackie Robinson, let's be crushed, though I was. It liberated me for a feeling that I had to live up to the impossible standards that I had subconsciously set myself is my brother and my father were both very athletic. And so I was able to play for two seasons, and I enjoyed the rough and tumble of the game, and I didn't get hurt too bad, and it was fine. But then at the same time, I got a job as an orderly in the local hospital. And I was cleaning up all this stuff, and
Dr. Paul 8:14
we share that experience.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 8:18
And I just had the sense that the needs of patients were overwhelming that and inexhaustible, no matter how much care and love we distilled on them, it was not going to be enough. Yeah. And so again, the same ambivalence was there. I love the way this doctor was with me. He was, and he inspired me. So that ambivalence was basic to my evolution and
Dr. Paul 8:46
interesting. So you've had this ambivalence that goes throughout your childhood, and then plays out after during and after residency. You're now practicing as a family practitioner. Were you in solo practice? Yes. So one of the true pioneers of which called the old traditional family doc, exactly. Like you were delivering babies at home and taking family.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 9:13
Yeah, I was out in Colorado, when I started, I got my fellowship in philosophy. I, before I interned and went into practice, I took a fellowship in philosophy I just had to get into something academic that was that I couldn't think about an without even consciously thinking about what I just been through, but somehow it was an asylum that I needed. And and that was that was the time of the the hippies and the counterculture and he's 14 year old kids were running away from home and smoking dope and dropping acid and having sex was low right there and bolded
Dr. Paul 9:55
since you preceded by entering into the world of medicine by at least 50 in yours, I'd really be curious. Let's pivot to the topic of childhood vaccines. Because that's such an important topic for our listeners today. Oh, yeah, that that whole schedule has exploded. What was it like when you started practice with regards to vaccines? What was going on at that point?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 10:18
Before I answer that question, I just want to say that it was always an important subject for me. And in the beginning, it was just a gut feeling. And I just didn't like the idea of doing it. I didn't know why exactly other than a lot of the diseases were not that serious, and just requiring people to do it and not being allowed to go to school if they didn't, and it just seemed way out of proportion.
Dr. Paul 10:49
Yeah. And were those mandates in place when you started practice? There were
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 10:53
a few, but they weren't enforced that strictly. Especially in Massachusetts, by the time I moved there, that was in 82. It was there. There were a few mandates. But you could the courts had decided in Massachusetts that in order to claim a religious exemption, it was just a personal way to you didn't have to belong to some kooky church or anything. And
Dr. Paul 11:17
I was in med school at that point. And I think all we had was the DPT the polio and the MMR. Yeah,
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 11:23
the MMR was already lactam in the 60s, I think. Yeah.
Dr. Paul 11:29
So when you started practice, were you doing some vaccines? No. No, do you ever do vaccines? Never. So So did you use homeopathy like homeo prophylaxis or not? No, I
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 11:45
think, um, then
Dr. Paul 11:46
what was your experience? Here's folks, we got a doctor I'm talking to who had 50 years of practice with families children included, what was your experience with the diseases for which there were vaccines? In other words, presumably, you would have lost a bunch of patients to measles, mumps, rubella, and whooping cough and all those things.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 12:07
No, he did. He didn't, not one. They know that. Those most of those were diseases of children that were ordinary that I had myself, I remember vividly having the measles when I was seven, or eight, or whatever it was staying home from school for a week and my mother waiting on me hand and flick Those were the days when the mother stayed home. There were two paycheck families back then so much. And so I had a grand old time. And then later, I began to study and I found that coming down with and recovering from an acute disease, like the measles, actually protected from developing cancer and autoimmune diseases later in the future. But that was that was quite a bit later. In the beginning, like I said, it was just a gut feeling. And then by the time I went to Boston, I decided that I was going to take a year off and just study. And so I got into immunology a little bit stuff I should have learned in med school, but it really wasn't emphasized at all. And it really impressed me that that basis of coming down with and recovering from an acute illness like the measles, that's an acute phenomenon. It's like the whole immune system is mobilized. And there are all these separate mechanisms that are concerning, and going on simultaneously, with coordination, and the result of all of that all of the cytokines and macrophages and all of that was to expel the foreign organism from the body. And whereas with the vaccine, it's the opposite. It's like you want it you have it has to stay in there in order to keep making those antibodies because you can't achieve real immunity, using one mechanism separate from all those others. Vaccination is a chronic phenomenon, by definition.
Dr. Paul 14:26
And your book made that really clear in a very nice way,
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 14:31
if I can. But that was just like intellectual. It's still here. I was in practice. And it didn't really hit me until I started seeing the patients with that in mind. And what I found was that there were so many vaccines so close together, that it was very difficult to tell first of all, it was very hard to tell what any specific vaccine was. doing. First of all, notice what we were trying to do is to look for this vaccine and that vaccine, not the vaccination process per se. We don't even think about that. So. So that was one thing in the beginning, what I saw were things that could be related to a specific vaccine because the symptoms were vaguely similar to the disease that it was supposed to be prevented. And by a lot of the vaccines were tripled to begin with. And there were so many being given so often, that it was impossible to tell for sure that it was because of the vaccine because the disease was coming and going anyway. But what stopped what I started to notice by the late 80s, I think it was the kids were reacting nonspecific way. They were reacting, they were more prone to develop whatever to diseases regarding around the neighborhood, or most of the wall. It was making worse, the chronic illnesses that they already had.
Dr. Paul 16:09
Yeah, so I wanted to ask you go go back a little bit in your career there at the beginning and leading up to the mid 1980s. Let's say, I don't recall, I was just a kid. And then I was in training. I don't recall chronic disease being very prevalent. I never saw a case of autism growing up. I didn't see a case in medical school. I saw a couple of mild cases of PDD when I was in pediatric residency. And there just were very few chronically ill kids. Did you have that same experience?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 16:39
Yes. And no, I'm going back now to my internship to my medical schools. And what was truly shocking to me about medical school was that I will I grew up thinking about disease as an acute phenomenon that that was something you turn down with, you got over it, or you didn't know or you die. But somehow in Bellevue Hospital in New York disease was the overwhelming something. It was there in the atmosphere of the ward, I could almost smell it when the beds were empty. So I had dystopian fantasies about that. But you're right. On a clinical level, I didn't see a lot of a lot of chronic diseases. It's just that
Dr. Paul 17:27
about kids, since you were family practice. You were also seeing adults. And I remember rotating in the VA hospital and everybody smokes and drinks and they've got all the problems related to that. But for kids, do you remember seeing a lot of chronic disease?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 17:42
No, you're right. No. And even when I got to Boston, the main one that I was seeing was ear infections, chronic ear infections, right? What was like, ubiquitous? And no.
Dr. Paul 17:56
While you're on that, I got to ask you, how about your personal practice, since you were not vaccinating? In your unvaccinated children, where they're getting all these chronic ear infections,
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 18:08
somewhat, but not nearly to the same extent. But that was that took a while to see I just had to accumulate a big number of cases. And the whole thing evolves very slowly. But it was just fortifying me in this feeling like just don't do this, that this is a source of chronic disease. And the perfect example, if you read the book, you probably remember this, but it's the purest example of making worse what's already there. I had a kid that I had seen as a child in elementary school, she had OCD really bad. She was wetting the bed. And I gave her a bunch of remedies. And finally I hit on one, I think it was arsenic amalgam. And it just went away. And she was great. She was essentially symptom free for over 10 years. And then it was time for her to go to college, they required an MMR booster. And within a week, the whole thing came back just like it used to be. It was like, I knew immediately, there was no question in the mother's mind or in my mind, what was happening. And fortunately, the same medicine was extremely effective once again, and she best college no problem. And she went on and got married and had kids of her own. She was fine. But I said this over and over again. Yeah, I
Dr. Paul 19:49
know. You mentioned that beautifully in the book that you would see these kids who had chronic conditions who had been vaccinated in some other practice, right come to see you for all you have to be managed. But I imagine, right and you eventually are able to find the right remedy and help them recover. Somehow they get another vaccine or series of vaccines, and they go right back into their chronic problems.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 20:12
Yeah, yeah. Is that it?
Dr. Paul 20:16
That is so powerful that statement that you just made. In my case, it was I didn't have the homeopathy remedies, because that's not in my wheelhouse to recover kids necessarily, I
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 20:27
would help kids recover in different ways. And generally, they would ever go back to getting vaccines again. But I imagine if they had similar experience would have happened. The other the other thing that made it invisible, was that in order to show it really clearly, the kid had to be essentially be symptom free for a period of time. And then when they get the booster, it's back. And so the parents see it. And even the pediatrician sees it. It's he's still involved in the case. Right, whereas giving them antibiotics and suppressive drugs doesn't do that. If if you gave them herbs, perhaps or acupuncture was some other thing. might well do the same thing. But But ordinarily, you're still going to get the ebbs and flows of new chronic illness that that is isn't doesn't that conceals it, it makes it somewhat invisible. Yeah. And the other thing is that it would be a simple matter to investigate this claim. By simply let me just say this, that the the diseases involved the ram, the whole gamut, of Pediatrics, of normal pediatrics that, you know, the autoimmune diseases and named neuro diseases and the ADHD and the autism and everything, it was all in the shoot. And it didn't matter which vaccine it was. It didn't matter what disease it was, or how severely the kid suffered from it. The same exact pattern was true.
Dr. Paul 22:10
And so that pattern being they could recover with, we copy homeopathy and then if they got vaccinated again, they regressed right back to their chronic.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 22:21
I call it making worse what's already there. Yeah. Except what that omits is that the times when it actually initiates the disease when or it first makes it manifests where before I heard only Bin Laden, perhaps, yeah.
Dr. Paul 22:37
Imagine you heard your fair share of stories of kids who are doing fine got a vaccine or a series of vaccines regressed into autism? And what percentage of those kids were you able to help recover?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 22:51
I didn't actually have occasion to treat that many of them but pretty good. I'd say I did well, although like I published a case of an autistic kid that that I treated very successfully, but he was still autistic t he was still handicap he was growing up. He was a nice kid. He was he had a job. He was, by the time I stopped seeing him. He was in his 20s. But he still was gonna need help. He wasn't cured by any stretch. But he was he was capable of living a life. Yeah. And, and I would say that that would be what I would expect.
Dr. Paul 23:35
Yeah, there's a whole range of recovery I've experienced from almost complete to always often they get stuck at the Add ADHD, when you're getting recovering a child who was severely autistic, you want to go back to something that I think is perhaps the most important thing you've shared both in your book and alluded to in the beginning of our interview, and that is natural immunity versus the vaccine induced immunity, I think, for our people to understand the difference and how so important it is to actually stay on the natural immunity side of things. Don't just start the immunity with vaccines. You write about that. And it's complicated. When we get into our medical thinking about it, and the cytokines and all that stuff. It can become a little overwhelming. But in just layman's terms, how could you try describing that for our listeners?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 24:27
Sure. There are a number of mechanisms that come into play when their foreign organism develop, you develop an infection from an acute infection, usually with fever. So the first thing you do the mucous membranes of the portal of entry, the place where it comes in are sensitized. And that's so that you can then expel them through the same route. Why sneezing or coughing the same way you acquired it in the first place? then you have macrophages who are wild that are wandering around in the blood and pick up foreign organisms and try to digest them. And you have cytokines, you have these specialized proteins that will signal to macrophages to go where they're supposed to go, or the monocytes, as the case may be.
Dr. Paul 25:24
And I use the term PacMan, like for macrophages for people to illustrate is gobbling up whatever infection, exactly, that process is getting the disease out before it ever gets a deep foothold in the body.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 25:38
And then you have the serum complement these proteins that assist that, that process that I forget actually what they do exactly, but they somehow help to clump them and make it easier for the macrophages to do their work. And then you have the cytokines as I said to signals, and then finally, you begin to develop antibodies. And I remember in the case of the measles, the antibodies start to appeared at the same time that the symptoms are appearing. And, and the antibodies are again assisting the process. So it's well coordinated together, you can achieve the expulsion of the virus or the bacterium, whatever it happens to be, by any one of those mechanisms by itself. It's a coordinated process. That's the main thing,
Dr. Paul 26:36
right? That first phase where you've got the cellular activity going on with macrophages and all that I think we refer to that more as innate immunity or natural immunity, cellular
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 26:47
cellular immunity. Great. Yeah. And that's what governs. That's what regulates the whole part. The antibodies are special in the sense that they're called the humoral aspect. And they depend on that. Yeah,
Dr. Paul 27:03
they're what gives you memory later on. To some extent, there actually is memory at the cellular level now to that's been published. But our prior understanding was you needed the antibodies to have memory. So you could fight the infection in the future. And the whole vaccine industry, correct me if I'm wrong, just focused on antibodies? Yes. And so they're focusing on this last phase of preventing infection? Yes. And the infection has to get into the body and take over and then you get antibodies. So when you do antibodies artificially with vaccines, I think that's the problem, right? You haven't provided the way to keep the infection out of the body.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 27:42
You haven't expelled it, you quite the opposite. You drink deeper into the internal organs of the immune system, and must be there because if it weren't there, it doesn't get encrypted into the cells unless you expel it. So it has to stay there. Yeah. And
Dr. Paul 28:05
then, can you explain for folks because I know, let's just take measles as an example, because people are always so afraid of measles. And like you I had measles as a child and I was in Africa. Yeah, it was not fun, but it wasn't horrible. And all our my siblings and our friends got measles. We have lasting immunity. I know if you were born 1957, which was my birth year or before, you don't ever have to go get a measles vaccine, they know that we're naturally protected. Compare that to what kind of protection you get from the vaccine. And where do we go from here, given the fact that we have a whole two generations of folks who are vaccinated as far as their immunity?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 28:47
Yeah, I call it counterfeit, or fake immunity. It's it's it's the shadow the but it lacks the substance. And above all, it lacks this immunity is both specific and specific. That is, you have the specific immunity against the disease that you've already had. But you also have the priming of the immune mechanism as a whole, to deal with whatever infections are going to come about in the future. And in some way that really needs to be investigated. I think that is what's protective. That's what makes it less likely that you're going to develop autoimmune diseases and cancer later in life. And that's what we need to understand that it's ironic that I think vaccines are the way for us to understand that because we know or we should know or we will know, that's one of the main ways that chronic diseases occur. And we know how vaccines work because we've studied we have to study that in order to make them do whatever It is that they do. So it could be a valuable tool for us.
Dr. Paul 30:05
Yeah. So if I understood what you're saying correctly, you and I who had measles naturally, we got specific immunity for against measles, but we also got this nonspecific protection, that helps us not only prevent other chronic diseases, but probably if the measles virus was to mutate or change, we would recognize it because of the nonspecific immunity that we got, I think for COVID. Let's pivot to that. And I'm just interested in your thoughts about that. Kids did well, unvaccinated kids, I had a practice with, I don't know, close to 10,000 patients during the early parts of COVID. And not one kid ended up in the hospital, their parents might get a little bit sick kids did fine. I'm guessing that's that same thing they've seen coronaviruses in the past. And so they have that nonspecific recognition of that family of viruses and they just get rid of that. But what are your thoughts about COVID? What's happened where we're headed?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 30:59
Yeah, COVID that's a whole other level of business. Same problem, but Naomi Klein calls a disaster capitalism. I think, I think she would disown my applying it to this phenomenon, but that's alright. That she doesn't own it exclusively anymore. It's public now. Um, but yeah, you have had disaster as the opportunity for various marketable reforms to take place that otherwise would not take place. I think it started even before the COVID when the drug companies made their big offensive to eliminate the exemptions to the vaccines back in 2015 1617 18, there were a few measles outbreaks, and they were trying to eliminate the personal belief in philosophical and religious exemptions, and succeeded in California, for example, yeah,
Dr. Paul 32:06
California, New York and Maine were added to the list of Mississippi and West Virginia.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 32:13
Soon, yeah, it's ironic that was true in Mississippi, because that's one of the one of the reddest states and it illustrates the about face that has taken place.
Dr. Paul 32:29
So what would your recommendation be for parents? They just added the COVID jab to the childhood immunization schedule starting at six months, as you probably are aware, what would you tell parents if they go into their pediatrician and their pediatrician says there's a new, there's a new variant coming out and these vaccines are they're safe and effective, they've improved them? What would you tell those parents?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 32:53
In Word, I would say don't do it. But I would go on to say that the vaccines are special. This is really the first time that a vaccine has been given in the midst of an outbreak rather than to prevent it in the indefinite future. So that, really, and it's since been found out, it's surely I'm sure it was known even before this, but it's been publicly admitted that it doesn't prevent transmission. So the only effect of the new Mr. mRNA vaccines is simply to treat the illness, essentially, to lessen its severity to relieve the symptoms. So it's a it's a rival of the already existing drugs that do have such an effect, but have been banned because of that reason, too, because they are competing with this new product. So you have a lot of cynicism here because it was clear that I'm sure that they must have known that right at the beginning, but they didn't say so they imply that it would prevent a disease to begin with. And of
Dr. Paul 34:11
course, it hasn't really started off by saying they rolled this out during an active pandemic. And you were alluding to the fact that was a big mistake. Why is that? Why is it a big mistake?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 34:23
First of all, there are two two or two main reasons. The first is that they made a lockdown of the society and the reason the shut, they shut down. They locked people in their homes, they couldn't go to work, their businesses began to fail. It became a catastrophic phenomenon for the whole country, such that we the epidemiologist, right from the beginning said don't do this. This is a big mistake. And
Dr. Paul 34:55
in retrospect, it sure seemed unnecessary, that's for sure. They were saying you got to keep kids out of school and keep them on masked up and isolated so you can protect grandma. And based on all the conversation we've had, prior to this point, had we let the kids all go to school, they would have developed even more robust natural immunity, and therefore they would have protected grandma, they would have been that shield.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 35:20
And therefore, we wouldn't have needed the vaccine in that. It sounds like a conspiracy theory to say it, but it's obviously the case that that had been true. The outbreak would have been searched by the summer of 2020. Yeah, and and Luke muntanya. He said it very clearly that by vaccinating in the midst of the epidemic, you're leaving SPIE you're prolonging the outbreak, and you're making room for lots of variants to appear.
Dr. Paul 35:49
And it is already happened, right? So many they were already they
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 35:53
were already appearing, the virus was already notorious for its mutability, but this made it even even worse.
Dr. Paul 36:01
Yep. So when they make that same recommendations, it looks like they're coming soon. But you gotta get this new COVID Jab, they've now addressed new variants babalao, it's just the same problem, right? We're still in the middle of an ongoing, endemic, if you will, it's not even a pandemic, it's this thing is here to stay.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 36:18
Yeah. And I think that, that they, it's their last ditch thing as if they understand that this whole thing is gonna blow up in their face. One of these days, unfortunately, a lot of people are going to die or be crippled. Before we, we figure it out,
Dr. Paul 36:37
by crippled by the disease or by the vaccine or the shot rather,
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 36:42
by everything by by being poor at a time of lockdown by all sorts of things. We had the most eminent epidemiologist who were saying this rights in the beginning in 2020. And can he get kowski, for example, at the Rockefeller Institute, or and he just said it straight out, he said, Let the kids get it, their risk is practically zero. This is the way we've always dealt with these things. Yeah. Yeah. And he'd been epidemiologists who are pro vaccine thought it was a big mistake. I'm trying to think of who
Dr. Paul 37:22
I completely agree with you, as we wrap up, and then DeeDee is going to come get personal with you dig into who you are as a man or if you're a father or grandfather, those sort of things. What would you like to leave as take home message to our viewers, take your vast 50 years of private family practice the world as it is today? What do you want people to know and understand?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 37:45
Mainly, that, I think we need to look at healing in a different way, from simply forcing the body to behave in whatever targeted ways we think it should. But rather than forcing the body to behave, I think we need to stimulate, find ways to stimulate or encourage it to behave and have some appreciation for the natural process that's already there. Rather than trying to see the illness purely as an enemy,
Dr. Paul 38:22
like that, what would be the top ways that a person can facilitate, promote, encourage the natural healing process,
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 38:30
first of all, by by removing things that are obviously going to poison that. And that's, I think the big topic for us today is chronic disease. That's, that's where we're at, it's exploding. And we need to investigate that. And it would be a relatively simple matter to do it. All we would have to do would be to measure the all cause mortality and morbidity of vaccinated versus unvaccinated, for example, and do that in an independent way that wasn't simply paid for by the drug companies. And then we would learn something and then we could use what we know about the vaccines to teach us how this process gets underway. But anyway, that's more specific than your question. Show. Yeah, just appreciate the healing power of nature of the body as its evolved over these millennia, that most acute diseases with fever are benign and important. And we tend we have the power to overcome them with help, of course,
Dr. Paul 39:42
yes. Not the fear of disease, Spore. Yeah.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 39:46
But the chronic diseases, that's a whole different thing, then they're in there. They have a tendency to continue to be there. So we have to treat that in a different way than simply making war on them.
Dr. Paul 39:59
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for that. I'm gonna invite DD who were to come chat with you for a few minutes. And we may have to do this again to tackle chronic disease. Okay,
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:10
so tell me a little bit about you. Just before we started talking right now, you had mentioned you have a wife. How long have you been married?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 40:19
Let's see now. Just shy of 40 years.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:23
Oh, wow. That's amazing. So do you have children? Yes. How many?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 40:29
I have one son by a previous marriage. Okay. And with my present wife, I have a daughter, but it's it was my stepdaughter, originally. But I've adopted her. So she say that's nice. And she's now she's like, 50.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:49
Okay. We don't want to reveal your age,
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 40:52
or she has. So we have three grandchildren.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:56
Okay. And that's what I was gonna ask is because I think that's the thing is sometimes people forget that. Just like Dr. Paul, and how many kids and he has grandchildren, I think we forget that. You are still this wonderful man and this person who has a life outside of all of the work you do, especially with being an author and all the things you've done. So tell me about you have a son and a daughter and you have grandkids. Tell me about with your beliefs on vaccines. How have they been with that? Did they just follow in line with you? Or was there ever any? Nope?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 41:31
Okay. No. No, they're think I'm wacko. Okay. They appreciate my style, my my way of beating with patience. They liked that. But they, it's a little different with each one. But generally speaking, I would say that, number one, they don't particularly go for homeopathy. My wife is like, she has used I've used it with her for various acute things, sometimes success and sometimes not. But if she had like a chronic thing of some sort, she wouldn't go to a homeopath. Okay, she likes the philosophy of it, but she doesn't like, she doesn't go for the technique of it.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 42:20
Okay, and that's your wife or your daughter. That's my wife. Okay.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 42:25
My daughter feels the same way. And we're in she's she's married to a scientist who works for NASA. And he loves to talk to me. We have great discussions, but he too, he thinks I'm really out to lunch.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 42:40
I know I'm shaking my head because it's so when you are in that world, and all the people you've treated and all the results and all the things we're seeing, and they're still those people that sit outside of that that
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 42:51
cannot entertain me even more sad. During the COVID. Yeah. Because everybody was getting vaccinated and glad to get it.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 43:06
I know. And so I'm guessing your grandchildren. Are they CDC scheduled vaccinated?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 43:13
I'm not sure exactly to what extent they've followed the CDC routine, they may have a Britain should slightly like my daughter, for example. She got she and my wife to got the original vaccine, the COVID and the booster and one booster and that was it. No more. They're, they're done. So a certain amount of skepticism. Is there about the system?
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 43:42
How do you feel about that? Personally, is that tough that? I'm guessing you did not get the vaccine?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 43:48
No, I didn't. And no, it was a source of some argument with my wife because she said it very eloquently. I think she said, Look, I'm not caring so much about what's going to happen. 10 years from now, I want to have a life right now. I want to travel. And we love to travel. And we haven't been able to. And she's very worried about me getting the COVID I had an autoimmune disease myself about seven years ago that we just sometimes fatal, and I did very well with it. But she's worried that will come back. And indeed, that's been my very general experience with vaccines that they make worse, was already there. So I was worried about it too. So I wore a mask and such. I was quite quite religious about it even although not when I was outside. But if I went to the bank or the grocery store, I would wear the mask.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 44:54
I think that's the thing is and I'm sure you would agree is whatever your choices are. They're your choices. So my next question is if you could do things differently with your life now, if you could go back, would you still pick the same route as a family doctor or knowing what you know about vaccines? Now you have all this knowledge going back? Would you be a pediatrician?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 45:18
No, I think I'd like to just the way it was I, I had a long journey in medicine, and it was pretty torturous at times. And there were when I left, when I graduated from medical school, I left medicine completely. I got a fellowship in philosophy, I went to graduate school. Okay, that's cool. I didn't think I would ever see a patient again. Okay. But when I finally did, and did the internship, and went into practice, and then finally, when I discovered OB oxy, and even before that, what I was doing home births, for example. I loved it, it was wonderful. I wouldn't change it. It showed me a way that I could be part of the medical profession and be proud of it.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 46:05
No, and that's the thing is, obviously you've done that, and you had a an amazing, successful practice. So I think that's part of it. I always asked that question, though, with knowing what we know about COVID and the different things. I always think that there's doctors like yourself who know me and knew what a ton of stuff back then that I always feel like prevention is the biggest thing and I feel like pediatrics is the way to do that. And so many pediatricians are not on that page. So we they, we definitely the world could use more people like you in that space where we could start from the moment that baby is born and teach those parents how to do everything, right.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 46:42
But I'll tell you, I've always loved taking care of old people, too. For a while, after I after I finished my internship, I was for a while I was like taking care of the old folks home that was attached to the hospital. I was the doctor in charge. And I loved that. It was a now that I'm old myself, it just fits right in.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 47:10
That's awesome. So are you completely retired? Or do you still work at all?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 47:13
No, I'm completely retired. Okay.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 47:16
So last question for you is what would you say? Just personally in your life? Why do you think people still have the fear that they do over COVID and the diseases that they feel vaccines could actually help?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 47:33
I think that, in spite of everything, people still revere Doc seresin The technical achievements that it has achieved, in a sense, right? And you can there were plenty of times when the system that I've spent so much time criticizing bailed me out when I was in trouble. Right. And, but with vaccines, it's especially so there is a an almost religious reverence that's attached to that idea. That has been cultivated, of course, by the drug industry, to be sure, but also by the medical profession. And it's sunk in so people like Shona, Saul, and Sabin, and all of those quotes are heroes in the popular imagination, and I can see why I think that it's that, that the belief in vaccines is, is based on a misconception. I'm not fanatical about being anti vaccine, I'm just saying that there's another side, there's a downside to them that we're not looking at. And it's true of all of them. It's true of the concept, not just this particular one or that particular one.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 48:51
I think that's what's tough too, is just because of the way the world is and media and society and all that. The truth. I know the truth, we all know those things. But as long as people have fear, then they're, I don't feel like they hear clearly. And so yes, you're right. They're gonna listen to doctors that think they should vaccinate or listen to the media or listen to those things.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 49:14
I don't want to say that I have the truth. I don't think I have the truth. I have part of the truth. They have part of the truth. You all have some truth. I remember a philosophy professor who happened to be a patient of mine when I was in Santa Fe. He's he said to me, sadly said everything is true. I love that because it really is true. No matter how far out belief is there. There is a certain there is a certain something to it. I'm talking about someone who lives through their teeth and I'm not going to mention any names. But if Yeah,
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 50:00
That's the thing and don't use it to for you personally with your wife. And I don't know if it's one or both of your children who they found. Dr. Paul, I talked about this all the time, because he thinks there's one truth. And I'm always like, again, depending on what you feel that you make that your truth for them, their truth was they needed to do this to protect themselves. Right? So do you just in parting words, because we're running out of time, but parting words? What do you say to these new mamas out there that are just really fearful of they, they want to do the best thing, obviously, for their child and the world that Dr. Paul and I work and we have a lot of people who do Homeopathics I was just at a birth with they used Homeopathics throughout the years to help her. Yeah, it was incredible. I was blown away. I've never seen that before. It was great.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 50:54
My first book was based on that. Oh, cool.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 50:58
Love to read that one. What do you say to those new mamas who are trying to make the best decisions for themselves? Who do you tell them? Besides Dr. Pol? Who do you tell them to listen to? What who should? Who should they put their trust in?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 51:13
I would encourage them to do their own research to, to so that when they go to someone, they have a question, they have a question clearly in mind. And then they'll be able to judge whether this person is right for them or not, depending on how they answer it. Right? Yeah, I think people have a pretty good sense of what's going to help them and what's not going to help them. And even though it may be like you say maybe based on a false belief, but it will guide them to do what they need to do at the time, even if it's turns out to be mistaken. So I don't try to evangelize too much with patients. But if they asked me straight out, it's they say, should I should I vaccinate? I would certainly say no, I would advise against it. And these are the reasons. But I a lot of my patients should continue to vaccinate to some extent. I didn't disown them if they didn't go along.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 52:17
Oh, thank God for that. And I think that's the biggest piece too. And we can end with is thank you for that. I'm glad that you said that. Because that's the toughest thing in pediatrics is that if parents don't choose to vaccinate their selves, their children fully in some of these pediatric practices, they are kicked out. And that's why Dr. Pol had such a prominent practice in with unvaccinated families or just honoring informed consent. You. So thank you for that. Thank you for your time and letting me dive into who you are. Man, I wish you I wish you your best and hopefully you can talk your grandchildren into not having your great grandchildren vaccinated.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 53:00
I have a new book coming out and I'm really
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 53:04
can you announce it? Sure. What is it?
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 53:08
It's called sawbones. What's it? It's not Bones was an old term that was used out west to describe just any old doctor and it was a little bit even a little bit derogatory. Even it was like, Oh, he's a sawbones. All he does is amputated limbs and stuff. Like I used it because it's really about basic doctoring in the most basic sense, which is very much what I was involved in. Okay,
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 53:36
thank you very much for your time. And I look forward to meeting you in person someday.
Dr. Moskowitz, MD (retired) 53:41
Me too. It's nice to meet you.
Dr. Paul 53:49
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