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Dr. Paul  0:05  
Fall Welcome to with the wind science revealed today's show I am interviewing a couple powerhouse women. Sonia FineTech comes from a regenerative farming background and is now a freedom activist. She's also a libertarian and understands the philosophies and the role of government. So we talk a little bit about hope for the future homeschooling, food security, health care, DD discusses some basics of politics with her. And then I interview our very own Cathy small, who's our coordinator and manager of this show, she's become quite involved with activism but gets to talk to you about it from the sense of how do you get started, it's gonna be a very interesting show, enjoy.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. Today, I'm talking about fear and love. Have had a little bit of sadness in me. I'm dedicating this show to Dr. BatAAr. The world lost an amazing man and amazing leader in our health freedom movement. And so I'm going to share a little bit about what he left for us. I recently listened to him talking about fear and love. And I think I can honestly say, it was life changing. So I probably can't do this justice, Dr. Patar, but I'm gonna give it a stab. Because it's so powerful, what you shared with us. You explain that fear is basically used to control others. The most important thing I got out of it is that at any moment, when you're faced with any decision, look into your heart, and are you making this decision from a place of fear, or from a place of love. Fear is just an illusion of something that might happen in the future. And the outcome from making decisions based on fear, as you said, is almost never good. When you make a decision from a place of love, that's a creative force. The outcome is going to be amazing, love based decisions, you're good to go. You also pointed out something that I thought was really important. Sometimes, I might be afraid or scared. That's different from fear. And I liked the simple example you used. I'm going to cross the road. I'm going to look both ways to make sure I'm not run over by a car. That's being aware of real danger. But fear would be I'm never going to cross the road because I might get hit by a car that's being completely incapacitated. That's that difference between danger and fear? So love wins every time. We need to look at our heart and dig deep and be attentive and sure about from What place are we making our decision? Dr. Bataar I'm going to continue the fight. I'm going to continue this charge to speak the truth as you did fearlessly your entire career. You spoke truth to power in the most amazing way. Thank you Dr. Betar.

Welcome Sonia Finn, Tish. It is such a privilege to finally have you on with the wind, I've been meaning to get you on the show for quite a

Sonja Feintech  3:44  
while. So great to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

Dr. Paul  3:49  
My privilege. So you're a farmer, which is amazing, because I want to grow up when I grew up, I want to be a farmer. You're a homeschooling mom, which had I had the where with it all I wished I had been a homeschooling parent. You're a political activist, former political action director of free Oregon and you're the founder of the Oregon LIBERTY NETWORK. And I know you've been involved with the Libertarian Party as well as, and we'll get into that also. And after 10 years of regenerative farming, you got involved in this activism during the COVID years, you moved to Portland in 2019, just in time to experience it all here. And I think you've somehow been able to combine your knowledge of farming and activism in this new organization in the Oregon LIBERTY NETWORK. And you're looking to empower individuals strengthen the community and create stronger connections to both farms and resources. Let's start off you know you and I have not yet really talked so I'm eager to know what in your past what in your background prepared you for this time?

Sonja Feintech  4:57  
Not a lot. So Uh, yeah, as you summed up really nicely, I spent 10 years at my family's farm, we moved from my hometown of Corvallis out to the middle of nowhere on Kala, Oregon and started this 160 acre regenerative farm. And, you know, I took some personal steps in my life, about how I raised my kids. And, you know, we didn't do vaccines or anything like that. And, and that was as far as I wanted to get active with anything. As far as I could tell, we were already taking the right steps in our life, like, why do I care what's going on in the world, we've got everything we need right here. So it was very, you know, condensed view of the world. And it was great. And we did that for about 10 years. And then my husband and I, we got married, I got pregnant with my third. And we decided to move to the big city to kind of just kick off his career and, and try it out. Because I visited Portland, it sounds like a really fun thing to do. You know, why not? It's a weird, wacky town. But unfortunately, we moved there at the end of 2019. And so I'm really grateful for the experience. It seemed like really odd timing. I could get kind of a stuck in a, you know, why is this happening to me like scenario, but I think that everything happens for a reason. And I think I was there for a reason. Because all of a sudden, all these things that I've been able to ignore, were in my face. And I didn't know what to do. And I felt really helpless and hopeless and scared. I didn't know anyone in Portland, I had no community. I had a brand new baby. And there was all this COVID stuff, didn't know my neighbors, and everyone's losing their mind. And I could tell very, very early on that there was something wrong. And I couldn't understand how no one else did. And my friend and I both connected over this. And one day, she was like, we should throw a rally. Like we need to wake people up. Like we need to. We need to tell people like maybe people don't know what's going on. Like, let's just do a rally. And I've never done anything like that. I've never been to a rally. I don't know anything about that stuff. I've never done protesting. And neither she didn't really either. So we through our first rally on May Day 2000. Think it was 21 in Oregon City, and it was wildly successful. We met so many people, we got all these connections, we had several 100 people there. It was a really positive experience. We had no idea what we were doing. We invited all these different speakers and and that's how I got connected with Ben at all, with free Oregon and shortly after started working with him as the political action director. But then I also hooked up with Oregonians for America, we did a tour of rallies around the state, we went down to see where Medford and then out to Redmond, and around the state doing the free our state to were of rallies. And so that was like that was huge. Like, you know, as far as like all of a sudden getting, like, thrown into a community and connecting with people this will happen over the course of like four months, just a total whirlwind.

Dr. Paul  8:18  
Interesting. So what was it about? I mean, I lived through the same time and I could answer my own question. Probably. Anybody who asked this question might answer it slightly differently. But what was it about what was going on in the early COVID? Year there? 2020 20 into 2021? That I mean, you made that comment? Something wasn't right. What What was it that caught your attention? And as you went, activated you to go to these rallies? There was some disconnect, right? What can you put your finger on

Sonja Feintech  8:49  
it? Yeah, it's it's funny, because I wasn't, I wasn't like connected to any of these more subversive channels, like like telegram or like, I wasn't really getting a lot of great information from anywhere. But there was some little kernels that things I'd pick up on social media. And my first inclination when my husband came home and said, yeah, there's some weird virus going on. I was like, yeah, yeah, like they do this every year. Avian Flu, swine flu, like I'm already on that track. And then he was like, No, I think this is different. And then it was it was everyone was really intense about it. And I think it was the intensity. And when we did the first lockdown those first two weeks, it was like, like, okay, but like, this is really convenient for the system. I've always been kind of a big picture person, like I look at the larger, wider, effective things. And I was like, this is really convenient.

Dr. Paul  9:46  
I know a way when you say that, what do you mean?

Sonja Feintech  9:49  
Just the ability to look forward and look at short term gains long term consequences on things, especially when it comes to the government, where it's like, yeah, like this one. I'd be a small win right now, or this might be really positive in the moment, but I want to, I'm always going to look forward to how it's gonna affect my kids, or, you know, other groups that I might not even agree with. It's like, well, this could this could come back on us. So I think I was looking at it that way. And

Dr. Paul  10:19  
then in what way, were you worried it would come back on us?

Sonja Feintech  10:24  
I mean, just any, anytime you hand the government any sort of power or authority over you, they're never gonna give it back. They don't give it back. Historically, that does not happen. You can just look at history and see it. And then I started seeing, I saw the Great Barrington declaration, somehow on Facebook before we got banned. And that was like, oh, okay, that's really, you know, wow, like, this seems like a really authoritative thing. Okay, it's gonna be over now, because that's such a powerful declaration, everyone's gonna see this, and it's over. And then I was compiling all these links to how I wish I could remember but all these studies about oh, how they were saying that it lived on surfaces. And then all of a sudden, a study came out pretty early on saying now that's not really not really a thing. And I was like, Oh, my gosh, that's so awesome. Like, I'm gonna take the kids to the playground now. And we're gonna go tape, take down all the tape and tell everyone that it's okay to go play. Because it doesn't live on surfaces. Everyone should be overjoyed. Like, how exciting is this?

Dr. Paul  11:27  
Right? There were so many things that flipped back and forth, there was that surfaces thing I remember early on, I'm trying to figure it out also, and, you know, on this kind of a surface, it's gonna live for so many hours and all of that. And then is it respiratory or not? And is it you know, the particles are so tiny, will a mask make a difference or not? Right, and then moving in the air? Right? You know, and then you when you do that research on the size of those particles that, you know, it's like a mosquito going through a chain link fence is the comparison with a mask and the virus this? So? Yeah, you're absolutely right. There were so many things that didn't make sense. And that Barrington declaration was a group of, you know, around the world experts, right, who were saying, Hey, these are the realities, here's what we already know, that was going completely opposite to what everybody was hearing on the news.

Sonja Feintech  12:17  
Yeah. And what was, I think a really big shift for me, was when I got excited seeing science and seeing say, Yeah, you know, this is like, it's like a win being like, okay, it's not a circuses, awesome. Oh, it's not transmitting this way. Awesome. And I'm, like, cool. Everyone's going to come out of their houses now and be like, Yay, like, it's over. It's safe. It's great. It's not what we thought it was. But then I saw that the opposite was happening. And people were just hunkering down more and digging their heels in more, and so was the government. And it seemed like no one actually wanted it to get better. And that actually, it was going to get worse. And that part really shook me, I was even printing out, I had this QR code that I printed out on a sheet of paper that sent you to a link tree that I made full of links to these studies. And I was putting that up around my neighborhood. Because I was excited. I was like, maybe they don't know, like, I'll help them. Like,

Dr. Paul  13:15  
How was that received?

Sonja Feintech  13:17  
I don't I mean, they got taken down pretty quickly. You know, I would take my kids to the playground, and we would tear down the tape. And, you know, their kids would come over and they'd see my kids playing. And after a while, they'd start playing. And I was like, yeah, like, it was odd. It really shifted how I thought about people and how they would act in a situation like this. And it's unfortunate people were made to be really scared by the government.

Dr. Paul  13:41  
Yeah. You touched on the key element there of fear. It was 24/7. And relentless, right? So so intelligent, people would succumb to that fear message and go around in masks all the time, subjected themselves to taking that COVID shot, and boosters, and so forth, even when there's so much information out there. So so this was really the big event that got you into activism. It sounds like

Sonja Feintech  14:12  
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it was such a departure from my background, which is just farming, but it was for me, no farm of free farming. I already understood what I understood about vaccines. So when all that started coming, and I was like, well, like, obviously, we're not going to do that. And people, you know, should have the freedom not to do that. And, but yeah, that it was really COVID That triggered me because I just saw what was happening and the fact that people weren't waking up and I felt at first like it was my responsibility to help them wake up. And it took a bit of time for me to realize it's actually not my job to wake up. I can't make people wake up. You know, you can cognitive dissonance is an incredible drug. Yeah. You know, you can give people all the information in the world. And if they don't want to do it, they're not going to do it. And they need their own switch flipped somehow. And like, that's what happened for me. So,

Dr. Paul  15:12  
so on that note, because I've struggled with this, personally so much, I have all this important information. And I can't seem to have interest, even some of my kids, some of my loved ones, they just think I'm wack. And it's like it. Here it is in black and white. Here it is in published journals. Here it is. Have you found any you know, you've been involved? Now, as an activist? Have you found any call it tricks to help people open their minds, what's been effective,

Sonja Feintech  15:46  
I think keeping the channels of communication open, having that information out there and ready to go for when people are ready to take it all in. Because it's a lot like what you're asking them to do is to tug on the thread that will eventually lead to a complete unraveling of everything. Because if you ask them to truly read, you know, all the information that you're you're giving them you're not just asking them to take in that information, you're asking them to completely up and their entire understanding of the world because then it's, you know, you start questioning the motives and you start questioning the government, and then you start looking at other things. And then you get into, you know, fluoride, and it's like, it's this ball that starts rolling. And I think most people feel that, and they don't want to do it. They don't want to take that red pill, they would rather just not even start in the first place. Yeah. But it usually takes some personal event in someone's life, to send them down that road in the first place. And all you can do and all that I've seen that I can do is just put it out there, stay open, stay receptive for the time that maybe that switch gets flipped. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  17:01  
that's good point. Yeah, for me, that happened with the vaccine issue. I'm a pediatrician, I was all pro vaccine. That's how I was trained. And then I start seeing problems in my patients and go, Whoa, what's going on here? And then as the deeper I dig into the information, wow, there's science about problems with vaccines, like, over 1000 articles in peer reviewed journals. What, you know, people don't know that.

Sonja Feintech  17:25  
Most pediatricians, you know, they have access to the same information. They see the same things happening in their patients, and they don't think vaccines they go.

Dr. Paul  17:33  
It's totally off their radar. And so there's that big disconnect. So let's pivot a little bit to you were involved with the libertarian, I think still are involved with the Libertarian Party in Oregon, and the Public Policy Board and and you all came out with a resolution and it was sent to me, you might have been the one that sent it to me. I'm like reading this going, Wow. I had just lost my license and gone through everything that I went through with that. And Jeremy Hammond wrote a phenomenal book, rebuttal to everything the board was the bogus charges, they had, you know, thrown together in a hurry to get my get myself emergently suspended. And then your organization came through with a really powerful document, how did that all unfold? And maybe tell me more about what you're doing and the Libertarian Party in general, as relates to what's been going on?

Sonja Feintech  18:26  
Yeah, so the Libertarian Party, up until so there was a big shift in the party. Starting in 2020, I believe before I was there, where everyone that was kind of a part of the party nationally, basically got voted out and a new type of more back to basics, libertarian radical, you know, getting rid of a lot of the the ideology and stuff like that they came to power, and here in Oregon as well. And it's the Mises caucus. And so that caused a big shift in how a lot of these state parties were running. And so the Libertarian Party of Oregon up until they started the Public Policy Board in October, they couldn't speak because of their own bylaws. They couldn't speak on a lot of issues. And so they needed the public policy board to be formed. In order to say, All right, we're going to vote on this, we're going to write this resolution, and then the whole party can just go off on any of this content. And so one of our actually, our second resolution we passed was concerning the Oregon Medical Board, and it specifically named you because it was right after what happened to you. And it was written by Tom Busey, who's one of the Public Policy Board members, and he's really great at his research like he, I think I might have sent you the condensed version of the resolution. It was very, like he had so much information on there and he did so much research and it was really amazing and I really wanted to send it to you and let you know that we have your back Because that's one of the biggest tenants of being a libertarian is that you? Don't you want smaller government, you don't want the government involved, especially with things like your medical license and your freedom to care for people. And so it was a really powerful resolution, we're really happy to be able to send it to you.

Dr. Paul  20:18  
Yeah, well, thank you for doing that. It was like, because I wasn't even involved in know what was happening. It was like, wow, here's a political party that's actually got my back. And I think what was so powerful about it, and, you know, the Libertarian policy is to support every person's right to earn a living live peacefully in a free voluntary exchange of goods and services, and not have licensing boards infringe upon that, right. And then you use my example with, you know, here, I wrote a book and I published peer reviewed articles, extensive experience showing that you know, what I'm doing makes scientific sense. And yet, that's exactly what they were shutting down. And so it really was infringing upon the freedoms of not just myself as a might call it a business person, a professional, licensed doctor. But this was removing options for Oregonians to direct their own freewill in how they care for their children, how they vaccinate their kids. You know, I love that you all highlighted informed consent, that should be the bedrock. So that right we have bodily integrity, parents get to decide what goes into their children's bodies. And, and we've shifted away from that during these COVID years. And that's a very scary thing. I mean, you just fast forward, there'll be another outbreak, right? You can kind of see the writing on the wall, they'll they'll play this card again.

Sonja Feintech  21:44  
Exactly. And yeah, the tenants of, you know, the Libertarian Party, a lot of them are, you know, the right to self determination and bodily autonomy and informed consent. And so this was, you know, that the free market is a beautiful thing, when it functions well, without government interference. And if people are coming to you, and they want your help, and they want your medical advice, and they trust you, that speaking for itself, you know, you don't need to have some government authority come in, and, you know, wield its sword against you. It's pretty common sense to me.

Dr. Paul  22:21  
Right? So, kind of big picture for Oregon, and in the rest of the country, what what is the future you would like to see for us?

Sonja Feintech  22:30  
Oh, man, like the state as a like, or like the country?

Dr. Paul  22:34  
Both? Yeah.

Sonja Feintech  22:37  
Um, okay, let me think, um, I mean, going back to a more voluntary society in the first place, I want the government. I mean, at this point, I want the government pretty obsolete, that's really how far that they've pushed me. And there's different ways that you can go about it, there's people that are in the camp, where they're, they're actively trying to fight the system from within the system. And they're, they're demanding that that system change to suit them, you see this on both sides, they want the government to be an entity that does what, what they want. And then there's a camp where, which I am. I don't, I don't want the government to have to do with anything anymore. They're failing, their systems suck. It's not working. I think it's designed to fail. I see historically, that we are on a certain path that goes a certain way at during a certain period of time. And I would rather just depart and divest and strengthen our own systems, and not beg the government for permission for anything anymore. I would rather focus on strengthening my community and setting my kids up for whatever is going to happen, then try and fight them within their own system anymore. Yeah. So I really I would see people more waking up to my side of a situation.

Dr. Paul  24:10  
Yeah. I certainly have with as regards to the medical community, you know, being a doctor and having taught medical students worked in the hospital as a hospitalist. And then I right up near the end, I was seeing babies in the hospital. So I was very involved with this system, if you will. And it's become so clear that it is so broken, I don't think we can fix it. At least it's a tiny, tiny, remote possibility that there would be this massive shift of everybody who's invested in this broken system and getting their paycheck in that system to be able to turn away from your paycheck and say, No, it's just not going to happen. So we have to create parallel systems. That makes sense.

Sonja Feintech  24:53  
Exactly. And that's basically where I arrived. I had I had like a kind of He quit everything after the primary last May, I just needed a hard exit from everything that I was doing. Because everything that I tried, it basically failed, other than meeting people and building beautiful connections, which I'm really grateful for, you know, when I was with we, you know, we did the rallies, we did the protests, when I was with free Oregon, we did lawsuits. You know, we did the school board meetings, we attended hearings, there was that Oh, ha, hearing the one about making the rules permanent. We had more people in that hearing, I think, than they ever had before, all speaking out, and he's submitting testimony against this rules change didn't matter. They still did, it doesn't matter. And so and then, you know, we I got involved with the election and, you know, was trying to help grassroots candidate, and may comes along, and it's just, I took the black pill, I don't know if you're familiar with Michael malleus, his book, The white pill, I, I love this book, I strongly recommend it to everyone, but it's called the white pill. And the black pill is bitterness. It's like you've woken up, and now you're mad, you're angry, you're better. It makes you not effective at doing anything, you're just mad. And then there's the white pill, which is the pill of hope, and looking towards the future. And after May, I took the black pill, and I was really bitter. And I was really, really angry, I couldn't understand why nothing, we did work. And I didn't really move my feet at all for about a year. Just trying to get over that bitterness and a lot of bitterness towards people and the community for not just like waking up and stepping up more and like we should have done more. And that's when I woke up a little more and realized, no, I think that maybe that was just the wrong approach. I don't want to ask the government for permission anymore. You know, do do not comply go so much farther than just saying no to wearing a mask. It's an entire cultural movement that we need. And so that that was that was my kind of story to getting to where I was like, oh, okay, we just need a shift where we realize that everything is very broken, that things are not working. And instead of just being really mad about it, and yelling at them about how broken, they made it, we should just go and create our own parallel economy, create our own society. I think that's a way more positive way to go about it.

Dr. Paul  27:38  
Now, that's a huge undertaking, I think it's worthy of doing. Because if you see things on unraveling, which they are, hopefully, we stopped the unraveling, and we turn this thing around. But if that doesn't happen, then you've got to be prepared, I see you very well positioned in that you're a farmer, and being able to grow your own food to sustain your family and, and your community is going to be vital that we see big food taking over and creating so much control that harm could be done very easily. By shutting off food supplies. I also see you're doing something already that I didn't do and that's the homeschooling. It's so, so valuable to really be involved in your child's education and what they're exposed to. Because we're learning about some of the things that are going on in public schools. Even in private schools, the the amount of censorship and information control is such that really we're programming our kids to think a certain way that has nothing to do with the truth or reality. It's it has to do with an agenda and propaganda that's being controlled at some crazy high levels. Right. So maybe speak to that a little bit as you're thinking about, Okay, I've got a disconnect. What are the things that are important for people to be thinking about?

Sonja Feintech  29:07  
Yeah, you're exactly right. So homeschool is a big one. There's homeschool. There's where you get your food, making sure you have security in that. So homeschool food, your health care, how you receive your health. What sort of contingency plan do you have? If something does happen to you? I mean, those are the three big ones. And then you can break those down a little bit more. But the homeschooling one also really like yeah, I'm homeschooling my kids. My husband works his butt off to make it so that we have the sort of lifestyle where I can homeschool my kids all day and I'm so grateful for that. But we also downsized our life in a really intense way we got rid of you know our nice car lease we moved into an RV we live on a farm like it's a lifestyle change and I got really, really tired of going to school board meetings and demanding that they change. Because I realized that I think that that's operating perfectly. I think it's operating exactly how it's supposed to be designed their government indoctrination schools, that's what it is. And a lot of people don't have any other choice than to send their kids there. Like, I don't want to, you know, stand on my high horse and tell everyone they have to homeschool their kids, but simply, yeah, like, you should homeschool your kids. But at the same time, I want to be able to provide resources for people. So it's not scary, so they can do the brave thing. So they feel empowered, that they can take those big steps. Because right now, most people don't feel empowered. Most people feel alone, most people feel isolated. They don't have these strong connections, like we used to have a long time ago. The systems are so our communities are so broken down. So there's homeschool. And then so

Dr. Paul  30:59  
before you leave, homeschool, empower me empower our audience, because I if I had to start doing that today, I wouldn't know where to start. So where do we start?

Sonja Feintech  31:10  
There's a lot of really great resources online, unfortunately, it's really spread out. So one thing I'm trying to do through my network is consolidate all of this information in one place. So it's easier to find, but I think it's about learning the approach. So when most people think about homeschool, they're like, Okay, we're going to do school, but it's going to be in our house. And we're gonna sit at a desk. And we're going to, I'm going to have to do all the schoolwork, you know, for seven hours a day with my kids like, that's, that's impossible. And it's about deprogramming yourself, not just your kids from. From how you're supposed to think about people how people learn how your children learn, children are sponges, they absorb things, just automatically, they have interests, they, if they're interested in something, they're gonna run to it, it becomes really, really simple. And you can make it really hard for yourself. Or you can make it really easy. You can hire a tutor, if you need a little help with math. But ideally, we would have systems set up in each community where parents like myself, who are homeschooling, we can take turns helping teach each other's kids,

Dr. Paul  32:22  
you know, little pods and groups and

Sonja Feintech  32:25  
yeah, and that a lot of pods have popped up because of COVID. I think they're really cool. I think it's a great alternative to public schools, I think it's helping a lot of kids. At the same time. It's also incredibly cost prohibitive for most families. Like I don't put my kids into pods, because you know, that it's an it's basically like paying for private school. And so it's it's not something that I can just say, Oh, just send your kid to a PA school, because that's not accessible for everyone. Ideally, you should be able to just teach your kid at home, you don't need to have all these credentials. You can if you can teach your kid how to read. They'll educate themselves.

Dr. Paul  33:04  
Yeah. And how many other families? Are you in touch with or aware of who are homeschooling?

Sonja Feintech  33:10  
I feel like 80% of the families that I know, are homeschooling now.

Dr. Paul  33:17  
Wow. 1020 100 How many families are you aware of?

Sonja Feintech  33:24  
I would say that's out of like 50 to 75.

Dr. Paul  33:28  
Okay, and for the most part, one of the fears of homeschooling that I recall just from, I've now been exposed to so many amazing families that are having such incredible kids coming out of that sort of environment of let the kids learn and they do like said they're sponges. But my old conception of homeschooling or unschooling was just sort of the kids just sort of play and, and they'll by osmosis, they'll they'll figure this stuff out, it seems to unstructured. And I was afraid that kids were going to really fall behind in their ability, let's say, as an adult, to really perform in a world that does require structure. But what's been your experience? How are these kids doing?

Sonja Feintech  34:08  
I think structure is really, really important. And I think you do get in trouble if you don't have structure. Kids want to know the defined boundaries of the world. And they rely on their parents for that. And everyone has different methods for how they raise their kids. But that's what I found with mine. So we have done we've done a lot of different things. And we've gotten very, very unstructured and I realized, Oh, this is not this isn't working for them. They're kind of starting to, you know, fall apart a little bit because they want to know where the walls are. And so we do bring in things. It's not just total unschooling, but we do a lot of unit studies. So if my son like he's, he's really, really interested in computers right now. He wanted me to buy him a gaming computer. And I was like, I'm not gonna buy your gaming computer, but I'm gonna buy you a computer. How to build your own computer book. And then we're going to create business plans, he's 12, we're going to build a business plan for you, so that you can make money to afford all the parts. And then you can put your computer together. And then and then you will have a gaming computer that you can use, like once a week. And this was two years ago. And he has been diligently you know, he has a business with rabbits. He had a business when we lived in Portland, you know, he went around to the neighborhood, and he would take everyone's trash cans back up to their house for them. So he learned how to like write a business plan, how to write, you know, this flyer, he learned how to, you know, do a cost benefit analysis, like things that you actually don't learn in school, right? He's, you know, he's doing all this math to calculate things. And he's learning about his computer. He knows how to research things online now, because he's looking for like the best deals about his computer. So this is the way that like, interest led learning goes. And so if you're interested in that, let's thoroughly explore that my daughter is really interested in fashion. So we're learning a lot about measurements and, you know, different types of fabrics. And then where did those come from in the world? And what's the history of that fabric? And how is it relevant? And so

Dr. Paul  36:14  
that's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. So you said you were putting together resources, is there a place people can go now to access some of what you're working on.

Sonja Feintech  36:25  
So my website is Oregon Liberty network.com. Right now, what we're doing is we're doing in person meetings. And we also have a telegram group. And people can subscribe and become a member on the website. And then you get an email, and it has a lot of info in it. We, I'm working on building an actual resource page on the website, but I'm trying to find a way to not I don't want to create a hit list of places like farms for, for unsavory people. And so I'm trying to figure out the best way to do that. Ideally, I would have something that I email people or people can come in person, we have like a catalog, like a resource book, that people could take home with them and have as a paper copy, I think that would be really cool. But as far as like homeschool, I'm gonna have a whole homeschool page with with links, at least for people to be able to do

Dr. Paul  37:23  
that. Wow, that's fantastic. So folks, we're going to put the link below here and put it on the screen for how you can start to connect. I think this is the key we connect with like minded individuals, or if you're just brand new to this, as we're all on some, some somewhere along that journey of realizing we've got to take, take control of our own family's lives and futures. You're providing some real resources. So thank you for that.

Unknown Speaker  37:51  
Yeah, yeah,

Dr. Paul  37:54  
I would like to give you the platform to have your sort of quote, you're going to speak now to the world to parents out there who are struggling with everything that's going on. What would your closing remarks be to them, as you know, from your heart to their heart?

Sonja Feintech  38:13  
It's hard right now, because the world is really intense. And I think that a lot of us can feel it. And we can see the systems that we've utilized, and that a lot of us have loved, crumbling. And it's hard to not fall into anger or hopelessness, or feared. And I think the number one thing that can support all of us and make us feel hope, again, is to be able to rely on one another. And to not just cultivate your own resilience, but to also have a community that is resilient, that you know, if something happens, I can lean on this person and get my food here. My kids will be educated, we'll have shelter, we've got water, and to have that security. And you're not just on your own is huge. So I would love to be able to connect people so that no one feels scared and alone, and that everyone knows that they can do it. And it is a cultural shift that I think that everyone's ready for. And I would love to be able to facilitate it. That's beautiful.

Dr. Paul  39:24  
So folks, now you get the really fun part of this interview. And I'm going to bring on Didi Hoover. And she just has a way of making it real. So enjoy the second segment of this show. And thank you, Sonia.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  39:38  
Thanks, Dr. Paul. Hi, Sonia. I'm didi. I'm so glad to meet you get to see your face instead of just by text and email for me what I'm seeing with politics and especially now and maybe it is just the last eight years. Hopefully you can answer this is there's anger hate fear and intensity. Now you talk about politics and that's what's comes up is One person against the other and it's just this party or that party? Why can't we all just get along? Why can't we just have like one thing? Why can't we just all be smart and educated? And go back to apparently, what was the basics? And that's just to have freedom and make our own choices? What happened? And can we get back to that?

Sonja Feintech  40:21  
I think that it was deliberately a storm that was created to cause division. Because when people are united, and people are working on a common purpose, and people are looking at things together, it's a it's a huge threat to a government that is losing its grasp, globally, but also on on its people and on its systems. So I think in the last eight years, you know, a huge catalyst came along, and that's Trump, you know, love them, hate them, whatever, can't deny the guy's catalyst. why or how that happened, I don't really care. But I do know that it caused a massive disruption. And it did put people in this huge camps. And it's also perpetrated by the media, and the way that people talk about and the language that they use, and how they polarize us now, and it's getting wider and wider and wider, but you will also see this at in the decline of a nation. Right, this is just an end. So you asked me, you know, how do we go back? I don't think we can go back. I don't think there is any any going back. And I think that this is the mistake of a lot of parties, especially like the Republican Party. And why they have why they have trouble sometimes, is that there's a lot of, I want to go backwards, like let's, you know, let's go back to normal, you know, the new normal, obviously bad, but like, let's just go back to how things work. But that doesn't, that's never happened before. That has, that's not a thing that happens in politics is you take huge steps backwards to how something was there, humanity does want to march forward, you have the other far end of the aisle that is, you know, very progressive that wants to march forward really, really fast. You know, it's an extreme response. But another extreme response is to put your heels in the dirt and try and go backwards. And so you can't deny that humans want to move forward. And that there is something happening at a very disruptive scale, politically, because you're right. 10 years ago, I had friends across all sorts of party lines. And, you know, I paid attention to politics, but it didn't really matter. And we would get into debates. And we would talk about weird stuff. And we all had these different perspectives. And sometimes the debates would get heated. But at the end of the day, we'd still you know, go out and have a dance party together or go have dinner. It wasn't the end of the world. It was normal to disagree with each other and still have humanity. Friendships over ideology. Right. Like, and now ideology is all that people have. It's become a part of your identity. You know, I'm a, you know, I'm a Republican, I'm a conservative, I'm a liberal, I'm a leftist. Like, it's embedded in their ideas and their identity. I don't think that's healthy. Because at the end of the day, the principles of liberty are endowed within us. It's our birthright, we're ends, I have a right to live my life, and to not have the government come and infringe upon me or have anyone come and steal my property. And that's not given to me, by the government. It is endowed with a knee, it is immutable. And people have forgotten that

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  43:43  
you just said something. And that's just talk to people. So anyone that you're interacting with, you can talk to them, even if you disagree with you know certain things if you ask them. Okay, well, hey, so and so I know you're Republican, you know, where, where are you learning from? are, you know, where are your politicians? Or is there going to be a conversation is they're talking, that's probably how they would figure that out then or how they would find ways because again, I don't, I don't have any idea how those things take place.

Sonja Feintech  44:12  
I think that's a I love doing that. And a lot of it's kind of scary. Um, it's really, really good because it also reinforces your views, you don't realize until you start talking about, you know, your your views on things, whether or not if it's actually your view, or if it's something that was given to you. It could come from your mother, your father, it could come from the TV could come from, you know, a quote you read in a book, but is it from you? So the more you have to backup and defend your position, speak about something and feel how it resonates within you, as you say it. The stronger that you get in your own views of the world and the country what you think about things, and I you know, I would get I would get in trouble because we would be doing protests and I would march across the lines and I'd go over to where Antifa was You know, and I would just start talking with these guys. You know, there's a, it's a whole mess of like, communists and anarchists and like, you never know what you're gonna get over there, you know, but I love talking with them. And I actually, you know, they would have to walk away from you after a while because we would have good of a back record because I was really trying to understand and like challenging. And it was. But that's really good because I helped reinforce my stance, and also probably made them uncomfortable because they had to backup theirs, which they couldn't.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  45:33  
Well, and education, you just again, you brought up a really good point. And that's why I have no problem with if somebody disagrees with me. I will ask the girls Yeah, this is how I feel why do you feel that way? What's happening for you? What's your personal story that has made you feel a certain way? So yeah, I love that you that you challenge. And like you said, it just educates it might educate somebody else. But you get educated if somebody tells me why they disagree with something, they might tell me something I don't know. And then I can look into it and go further. So you're a genius. Thank you very much. You have taught me a lot. Thanks for joining us and keep up the good work because you're making a difference. And I very much appreciate it.

Sonja Feintech  46:15  
I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me on. It's been wonderful.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  46:17  
Welcome. Have a great day.

Dr. Paul  46:25  
Welcome, Kathy. Small, you are so indispensable for our show. I'll share with our viewers why, but so great to have you on the show.

Kathy Small  46:33  
Thank you, Dr. Paul, good to be here.

Dr. Paul  46:36  
So Kathy, you are retired from a 40 year corporate job. You're now the Secretary and event director for children's health defense, Oregon. He's been a longtime engaged citizen advocate for medical freedom, informed consent. And you are the manager and coordinator of with the wind this show that we're on now. So it's such a great thing to have you finally officially on the show.

Kathy Small  47:01  
Thank you, Dr. Paul.

Dr. Paul  47:02  
I wanted to think for a lot of us. Certainly I'll speak for myself, but I've heard this from a lot of people. Like how did you get involved? And I mean, it's just a blur unknown for me other than what I'm doing. What is activism?

Kathy Small  47:21  
Well, I looked it up in Webster. So they've got a definition. But how I like to define it is just being really engaged at either a local, state or national level. And when you start becoming involved, whether it's just attending city council meetings, school board meetings, or even following some of the hearings that are happening at state level, and there's a cause that you either really support or oppose getting involved contacting legislators or your local council members participating, making your voice known.

Dr. Paul  47:59  
Wow, you're a special person. Thank you for all you do. You sort of outlined an example of how someone can get involved. But to that question of do you have any tips? Let's say, I'm viewing I'm watching this, and I just don't know where to get started. I mean, you are doing so much I couldn't even imagine. I don't know how to get started. What What would you advise someone who wants to sort of be helpful and start getting involved? Where would someone start?

Kathy Small  48:29  
Yeah, great question. And matter of fact, I remember when you and Didi first approached me about doing a segment on this topic. I was thinking, Gosh, I'm the last person that should be doing this. I I'm just such a newbie and I got you know, so many people, I follow big shoes that I follow. And then I realized actually, no, I'm the right person to talk about this because this is fairly new for me. And I've just been learning as I go along. And so I think first of all is knowing what your passion is. For some people it's the Second Amendment. Yeah, for some people, it's freedom of speech and not that those things aren't important. But for me, I that's as I mentioned earlier, I became really clear my passion is children. My passion is medical freedom. And so whenever I'm feeling like I can't quite do it all I come back to what where do I want to be the most effective and so I think that's number one is just sort of knowing where your passion is. And then just start small whether it be just started attending some of your local city council meetings or school board meetings. Go to your local website, your local state legislative website here in Oregon, it's a well is dot Oregon legislature.gov. And every every state has a website, Senator that and on that website, you're going to find the names of all your legislators, their email addresses, their phone numbers, their physical addresses, you'll see all the bills that are currently A in session where they are, you can sign up to follow bills, if there's bills that are important to you. And don't be afraid to email, a lot of people don't feel comfortable making phone calls to their legislators. And so we encourage them to use their email. And a lot of times, if there's an important issue, don't be afraid to send it more than once. So maybe create a little template of what you want to say. And then maybe every week, you resend it out to representatives and senators. So start small and just kind of follow your heart. And and then research whatever you're interested in, you don't have to know anything to get started just to have a passion and you know, heart to make a difference and be helpful. But at some point time, you'll want to, you know, dive more or look at what's on the agendas for some of the different meetings and pay attention and then research it

Dr. Paul  50:52  
excellent. Nothing better than following your passion. I mean, for parents, we we say that your children look for their passions, and then feed that because when you're doing something you're passionate about, it's not work. It's it's it's pleasurable, it's meaningful. And clearly, you're doing a lot of very important meaningful work. It you may have already covered this, but what do you think are kind of the key issues, the most important issues at this moment?

Kathy Small  51:22  
That's a great question. There's, there's a lot like it's hard to even know where to start. But for me, again, based on sort of my passions and concerns, the thing I'm the most concerned about is there is a trend, not only across our nation, but across the world to remove parents from decision making with their children. And we're seeing it everywhere New York just passed a in their house committee, they just approved that minors no age for minors to make the decision about the HPV vaccine. Other states are trying to reduce the age of medical consent to 12. We don't allow kids under 18 to get tattoos, to get piercings, to smoke to drink. Yep, they, they, the states are saying that they can make these medical decisions without necessarily informed consent without parents not only without parents participating in that decision making, but in many cases, not even necessarily being notified, they won't even know but they're going to end up being responsible for any repercussions for any side effects or any health challenges that that child will face as a result of that decision. And then in Oregon, we have a really scary bill. And there's other similar to this and other states. It's called HB 2002. B. And it's, it's so many pages that when they read it on the House floor, it took three hours and it was with a computer rated voice. That was more than 1x. It was probably like 1.5, it was reading it so fast that it still took three hours to read that bill in its entirety. And there's a lot of concerns of the bill. It's unconstitutional. It's really vague. There's lots of room for interpretation. So there's a lot of reasons that that's a bad bill. But there's three really egregious reasons. One is they are taking away any parental involvement or reproductive care at any age. So a young girl can have an abortion at the age of 10. Without her parents being participating or even finding out about it. And they state the reason that this is so important, is because parents are the number one abusers of children. But that's not true. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Yeah, obviously it happens. But that's they're not the number one, that concern that we have is that for all kinds of reasons, but it sets the stage for child traffickers and child abusers, pedophiles, whatever, that they can take care of a problem and no one will ever be the wiser. And the second thing that's really egregious is that they are requiring that all the insurance companies including our Oregon Health Plan, pay for every aspect of gender transition, again, started at the age of 15 without parental involvement, and that includes all the blockers and hormones and then all the surgeries that people undergo to transition and cosmetic procedures for people to maybe have a more feminine face. So to change their jawline, their nose, their foreheads. And they're saying that this could cost as much as like a quarter million per person per transition and there's a lifetime of medicine required to so we know who benefits from that. And then the third thing that's pretty agree Just send this bill is the post birth deaths not having to be reported. Again, the reason the supporters are saying that this is important is you have maybe a homeless woman, she goes into a bathroom or something gives birth, it's a stillborn baby, it's disposed of in the trash can. And we wouldn't want to try to investigate or, you know, go after that woman. And again, we're probably not going to do that no matter what. But it opens the door for other horrendous acts to occur with a child dying after birth. And so those are just three aspects. And again, you know, I want to be really clear, I'm not saying anything against someone wanting to transition as an adult. But I'm not sure the taxpayer should be footing the bill, for our children for transition.

Dr. Paul  55:57  
You that whole area of medicine has just exploded in the last few years, and came out, seemingly out of nowhere, but it it it just happened so fast, you have to wonder what is going on? It is to me, I mean, I've been a pediatrician for 35 years. Children, let's just say under 18, just to sort of define children, as you did so clearly, are being put in harm's way because you're not emotionally. And even naturally, transitioning through adolescence, you know, there's there's this time of sort of exploration, experimentation and trying to figure out what who you are sexuality wise, identity wise, all of that, and that's normal. And to then go in and rapidly progress onto hormones and surgeries. The data out there is not good that you're these kids who enter that system of medicine end up having greater mental health challenges, higher rates of suicide, the whole thing should be illegal. And I think that's happening actually in several states, where doctors who participate in that will perhaps be criminally charged. So anyway, that is a huge, very important issue. Thanks for bringing it up. Just in wrapping up, what closing comments do you want to share as sort of folks here, here's, here's the most important issues of our time. Well, I guess

Kathy Small  57:38  
I'm closing comments. But I did want to quickly do a shout out to what CHD Oregon is working on. So we have we have a big event coming up on the end of June on June 25, at the Abernathy center in Oregon City. And we have a full day conference where we've got this great lineup of speakers. And our conference is all about securing fundamental rights for future generations. So it really aligns with who CHD is, as an overall organization, which, as you know, we're all about exposing the causes of the rising epidemic of childhood illness and disease and really seeking justice for those that are responsible for this rising epidemic. And then really trying to protect the future generations and fundamental rights. So our Oregon event really supports what we're doing nationally. And it's a great event. And you can get more information at our website, o r dot children's health defense.org. So we'd love to see any Oregonians or maybe Washingtonians come and join us. So in closing though, one of the things I just want to really call out, just like we've already talked about is get involved in whatever way you can. Every voice is needed. You can start wherever start small and then build. Don't assume other people are doing it. That's the biggest mistake I think we make, especially here in Oregon, we have a tendency to think someone else is going to be taking care of that. Don't assume that we need all the voices. I understand if you don't want to be political. I never wanted to be political. But the I don't think we have a choice anymore. our children's future future generations are on the line, their rights are being taken away. And so we all have to get involved in whatever way we can. And I want to leave with a couple of examples of some really great wins recently. I don't know if you're familiar with Dr. Paul, but in Collier County, Florida, and there was a whole CHD TV released on April 17. That goes into great detail about what they accomplish there. But they created a resolution to support medical freedom no matter what happens. So as we know that who has been meeting this week, and the United States has tried to give away our sovereignty past simply so that the who is in charge of all future health concerns, whether it be a pandemic or something else could be around climate control. And so this county in Florida, put together a resolution got their commissioners to approve it to ensure medical freedom informed consent. No discrimination is a beautiful resolution, and you can look it up again at CHD. TV. And then, even locally, we had a situation here in my town where the school board had a plan to place a policy to allow non invasive non Mert non emergency invasive medical procedures at the school and parents had to opt out. And there will be get a form at the beginning of the school year to opt out. And that opens the door for vaccinations or whatever, at the school. And we, myself, we wrote letters, and we participate in the school board. And they actually voted again and reversed it. So now it has to be an opt in. So it is we are seeing wins. Oh, the other really big one I wanted to mention was Mississippi forever. Yes, they had, they did not allow any kind of non medical exemptions, philosophical or religious exemptions for vaccines to go to school. And after a really long time of a lot of hard working advocates, that decision got reversed just a few months ago. And those are now allowed. So it really does pay off. And it's it's sort of like the marathon, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. And so sometimes just slowly chipping away, building relationships with your legislators. So when there is an issue, you've got a relationship already in place to go discuss your concerns or your issues. And if you don't know how to get involved. CHD has a chapter in many of the states, probably about a third of the states have chapters. And also around the world, we have chapters in many countries, and you could just contact a local CHD chapter and we can help you. And really worst case, if you didn't know where to start or who to connect with. If you write to our email address info at doctors insights.com I am sure DD would pass it on and I would be able to help find you grew up in your state or country. So

Dr. Paul  1:02:27  
absolutely. Well, Kathy, wow, you do so much for this show. I don't know that we would exist without your amazing talents of keeping everything organized, coordinating everything, when when we're dropping the ball here or there, you're bam, right on top of it every time. And you do all of that volunteer, which I thank you so much your work for our world is amazing. And folks, you know, take her example and just do something, find out what you're passionate about, As Kathy said, and get started. I love the fact that there are local wins. I mean, right down to just a school board. You know, as they chip away at our freedoms, and they remove our freedoms, you know, piece by piece, we see it at cities at counties at state levels. And of course, federally, we can get it back. And you know, we the people, once we start organizing and realizing we're all in this together those entities that would take away our freedoms won't be able to do that. So thank you so much, Kathy,

Kathy Small  1:03:38  
thank you.

Dr. Paul  1:03:45  
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