Dr. Paul 0:04
Dr. Paul, welcome to the 100th episode of with the wind science revealed. Some of you may remember when this was against the wind doctors in science under fire. Yes, sir, I was under fire and I was on fire, I'm still on fire, by the way. But to celebrate those 100 episodes, over two years of filming, and partnering on this journey that we're now calling with the wind, I'm bringing on the set, I would say, one of my secret weapons, and that's Deedee. Hoover, she was so powerful in helping me just pull all this together in the early days, but doing that from behind the scenes. She's a wellness coach, a body worker, and she has such a gift at helping people heal their own self, frankly, as we talk about in this episode. So the two of us are coming together to introduce this concept of kids first forever. But also to let you know that with the wind is expanding and what we're able to provide you We are continuing we are going to bring powerful interviews to you as we always have, we're also going to bring important information that you just maybe aren't getting in the our usual mainstream sources. So this is an exciting time for the show. It's an exciting time for our world. And it's a real pleasure to introduce somebody that was not only extraordinarily helpful in my own wellness coaching, when everything was falling apart, the board, taking my license, I'm starting this show my own family personal challenges were happening. And I'm trying to keep a practice going that was really struggling due to all the pressures that the board brought upon me. And I'll tell you, if you've ever been through something that really pretty much took you to your knees, was really breaking you down. In those instances, it's such a gift to have somebody who's just right there can provide the support and the guidance that you needed. And that's what I got. And that of course, I've been watching this woman, wellness coach patients in my pediatric practice for years. So initially, it was just bodywork. And I couldn't understand how could a massage therapist this was my thinking back then makes such a difference for patients. I mean, let's talk about newborns, whether they had feeding problems, whether they were fussy, what we would call colic or had sleep problems or reflux, it actually almost didn't matter what the issue was interacting in a way that she did with gentle body work. And I think just somehow, I used to call it magic, she gets so mad at me, it's not magic, I'm actually doing something. And I couldn't see it. But I've since gone on and actually had some training myself cranial sacral work, and started to appreciate by being around it, and then also trying trying some of these techniques myself. It's powerful work. And it's not just the physical, you're also tuning in to intuition and reading what's happening for that person. So being a part of that, and then watching some of my most complicated pediatric patients who'd seen all the specialists in town and think, Oh, well, let's just see it, we might as well go see DD let me here's the thing. bodywork is powerful, because so much of what we go through is stress related. And I hadn't appreciated that either. So when you can reduce stress, just plain touch folks, parents, if you're watching, touch your kids, you know, bring them love through physical hands on touch. It's powerful, but also just having that intuitive sense of being able to connect and give feedback that allows the person to heal themselves. So anyway, I'm blessed to have this person on this journey with me, she's bringing a touch to this show, you're going to start seeing her more often. She'll close out many of the interviews by getting down to, you know, what's it like to be a mom, what's it like to be a dad and have have gone through what you've gone through. And this brings out such a gentle but powerful connection that you're going to feel as the viewer. So this is our 100th episode. We're introducing kids first forever, it's nothing that's going to take away from the show. It's just going to periodically add to the show, but also as a resource for everyone who wants to connect with us on a more personal level, not to diagnose or treat but just to be someone that's on your team for health and wellness. Enjoy the show.
Dr. Paul, welcome to the 100th Episode of with the wind, formerly against the wind. I am joined today in studio with my co host. In fact, DD Hoover covered for me these past couple episodes when I was spending time with my mom in the last days of our life. Thank you for that. You're welcome that was so important. And my you did a great job, we've got a lot of important things to share with you fairly exciting. But I wanted to just backtrack a little bit 100 episodes is a big deal. When we started against the wind, basically what triggered that was I lost my license. Some of you heard that story. That was back in 2020, December of 2020. And I was thrown into a situation where Well, for one thing I had extra time, I could not see patients. And it was like we have a fight on our hands. And I was like driving down the road listening to Bob Seger running against the wind. Oh, that's the title, that's gonna be the name of my show. So they're against the wind was born. And I should have known better, but it was okay. It felt it.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 6:12
But it wasn't against the wind. In the beginning.
Dr. Paul 6:14
It was I was fighting running against people, the board tried to preserve my license, I felt attacked on multiple fronts. And I have reflected since because fairly early on, you had a different idea. What was that?
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 6:32
Well, it wasn't really right in the beginning. But my thought was that, in watching the first few episodes that seeing the fear, the anger all those things was is is that where you want to be or in my life, it's always to move with things to be sort of in working with versus against. And you've been told me a story that you had about the same thing. But my thought was, why isn't it with the wind? Why I just wondered is all and explained it by?
Dr. Paul 7:05
Well, it was a huge fight at the time. So I really stuck with that for quite a while. But I knew you were on to something. So some of you may have heard the story back in around 2015 2016. Physicians for informed consent was formed pick really important organization of doctors who were really wanting to stand for that right for everyone to have informed consent. Well, that organization was initially going to be doctors against mandatory vaccines damn v. And I remember being asked to join that organization, I says we need to be for something not against something. So that's an important principle, you reminded me of that. And eventually, with the wind was born. And it's been the right pivot. So I'm gonna go back to those early days. And I'm in this fight mode, and I have to set the stage. I was 30 plus years, almost 35 years in practice. Very busy pediatrician ended up starting my own practice in 2008. Hired multiple nurse practitioners, everybody was coming to me with their most complicated patients. And I had to have the answer. And I really ended up losing myself and getting very stuck in ego. I mean, here I am, I've got the answer for everything. So I thought, I've written the book, then two, then three, then I've got a YouTube channel and we have a million plus subscribers. And I mean, like, unbeknownst to me, I had really gotten into ego and I had completely lost contact with my soul. And so thankfully, this woman sitting next to me here, did he Hoover. She, I was a crossfitter as well. And I kept injuring myself. I mean, I had major shoulder surgery. I was getting bodywork, you're a body worker, a massage therapist and a wellness coach. I didn't know anything about the Wellness Coach piece. And I'm just going to tell you, there's some exciting things to come about kids first forever and how we're joining forces for wellness coaching. But I got to experience not just the bodywork that was so helpful. But when I was in that place of having lost my license, things weren't going well in my personal life. I was trying to keep a practice together with all these people depending on me, it was fairly overwhelming. And you have a wellness coaching approach that absolutely in effect eventually allowed me to get in touch with my soul.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 9:42
Right but how did that start? Why don't you tell them that story?
Dr. Paul 9:46
Well, I came to you with all this you know the board's after me. I'm never going to get my license back. It's a kangaroo court. It's over and system has control And you said,
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 10:02
you will get your license back. You are meant to do what you're doing, you will get it back.
Dr. Paul 10:08
I'm thinking she's nuts. It's never happened before in Oregon. It's a true closed kangaroo court, they make all the decisions that are accountable to no one. I told you that a second time. Yeah. But they're accountable to no one, there's no way to give him my license back.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 10:23
And then I said, Yes, you will. You just, you have to look at things in a different way. And then you said,
Dr. Paul 10:32
It'll never happen. Now, this is a little bit of coaching that's going on for this guy, I used to be an tend to be a very positive person, glass is always half full, I'm seeing the bright side of everything, but I was pretty down and out. So third time around, I come and say, Yeah, I mean, this is all in the course of a probably a month, and you must be this losing your mind without negative I was, yeah, it's never gonna happen. I'm trying, I think, to process to get myself prepared for what I felt was inevitable. And you said,
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 11:02
not with an attitude like that. And that's now offered and said, it's, if you think you're not, then you're not. And if that's the decision that you want to make fine. But if you would like to look at this in a different way, and do some wellness coaching, and understand what's in front of you, and ahead of you, I'll work with you. But you have to want to it has to be your decision, you have to meet people where they are.
Dr. Paul 11:27
And I wanted at that time, that was like, ouch, you got me. stinking thinking negative thinking, whatever you want to call it, even in the face of overwhelming, apparently overwhelming pressure and the impossibility of it all. If you don't believe no matter what you're going through, if you don't believe there's a chance that you can achieve something, it's not going to happen, right? So your wellness coaching really opened the doors for me to be able to think positive again, and be proactive and be patient and start listening to a whole different level of a inner voice. And what I mean, I remember back then realizing I didn't even know what a soul was. And you would talk about your soul. And I'm gonna, what is she talking about? I had lost contact with that most important sense of who you really are on the inside. So, yeah, that was a big shake up. And thank you very much. I have since of course been able to see you had the privilege of watching you wellness coach, teenagers, even young children, who are going through a host of things. I mean, we're talking someone with gender dysphoria, the family's all upset about it. And everybody is is struggling, and your ability to connect and interact in a way that just allows them to heal. This brings up a really important content concept. You I would come in injured or hurting because of CrossFit or whatever. And I'd walk out much better. And I'd say you fixed me. And you would say no, I didn't. same was true for the work that was happening internally for me and my soul and just my spirit and realizing that, wow, this is different. You fixed me, you healed me. And how many times did you have to say?
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 13:29
No, I didn't. And and explain and that's part of wellness coaching is to help people get to that place of understanding what's happening for them, and what are they willing to do? And even with bodywork, yes, you can come in with pain or just like going, you know, getting any kind of more integrative type care, it's you doing the work for yourself. It's you making a choice, that whether it's spiritual, mental, physical and emotional, you're making those choices and decisions. Whoa, those four things.
Dr. Paul 14:01
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 14:03
and you're a coach,
Dr. Paul 14:05
you come with this idea. We ought to start a program called Kids First forever. I've always felt like I wanted to put kids first. That's my life. I've been a pediatrician. I love kids. I love working with their parents. And I think in our world, if we don't put kids first if we don't start realizing they are our future, we've got problems. So we come together, I bring an experience of 35 years of working with children. I mean, most of the time in pediatrics, you're actually coaching, right? You're getting stories from the parents and then you're coaching them through whatever they might be going through. I never really thought of as coaching because I was a doctor, but really that's what we were doing. You come with a similar amount of time of really doing wellness coaching and spiritual coaching, which was the area that I certainly needed the most help with, with these four areas that we need to focus on. Our attention on if we're going to have vibrant, healthy Well, kids.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 15:04
And if we as adults are going to become healthy, it is truly paying attention to those four areas. And always and that's the difference. I'd like to explain the difference between coaching and counseling, and medical attention. It's understanding that coaching is allowing that person you're giving your, you know, some of your opinions you're sharing, you're listening to them, just like a coach does for athletics, you're not doing it for them, you can't perform for them, just like a coach can't do those things in counseling, or psychiatry, or any of those things, there might be a medication involved, that may do something to you. There might be ways or plans or different things. And that's where coaching is different is it again, listening to that person and finding out hey, what's missing what's going on, and then asking questions and sharing ideas versus telling somebody what to do. And our medical system is full of telling people what to do, what to take, and how to be. And we're trying to step out of that. And that's what kids first forever is allowing parents and children to make the best decisions for themselves.
Dr. Paul 16:10
So in all four areas, physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual, our goal is to coach and really, it's about empowering. And this was that whole thing where you fixed me or you made me better or thanks for No, we empower you, the parent, you, the child, you the individual, to bring into your own life, everything you need to heal and be well. And, you know, those of us who've sort of tapped into the the knowledge and the wisdom of the body itself, and that internal wisdom that we all have, yeah, it's within us, you sometimes just need a coach to help you reach in and develop that and make it manifest for yourself. So this has been exciting. I want to remind all of you who are watching who have been with, with me, and now with us on this journey, that we're so grateful, I'm so grateful for the opportunity, I've had to be a pediatrician for 35 years to work with kids and their families. And then, you know, when I first lost my license, oh, the sky is falling, it felt like the end. And yet, this was the beginning of the most important thing probably I've ever done in my life, personally, and now together. That's this journey of with the wind. And you know, you take all these forces that seemed at the time negative and pushing you down. And if you felt that about the world, let's realize we can pivot and use all this energy and take it in the direction that we need to go.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 17:38
Sure. Can I point something out? Please? Do? You got your license back? Six months later?
Dr. Paul 17:45
Well, that was a shocker.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 17:48
Oh, well, I said it over and over again.
Dr. Paul 17:52
So I did. And you know, that is just one of those things. Right? I, I needed to believe it. Actually, I think my attorney needed to believe it. And yeah, there was a day where we said, you know, I think what they did was actually illegal. And he looked into it and was able to realize, actually, it was the way they did that just emerged, gently removing the license when there was no emergency and then not filing charges. That's not legal. So thankfully, I got it back. Interestingly enough, many of you've heard this. There were stipulations they were not going to give it back without these stipulations. And here's what they were, I was not to talk about vaccines to a patient, or any of my staff. I was not to see, well, children, well child visits and pediatrics is where you have those conversations. And I was not allowed to do research on my patients. In other words to collect any data. Isn't that interesting that that was what they were worried about was the data, and sharing knowledge and information about an area of medicine that is basically the most important thing as a family. If you have kids, there's one thing you better figure out. And that's vaccines and what you do about it, because there's nothing more important than those decisions. So I was what do you call it muzzled. But nevertheless, thank you, board, because you gave me the opportunity to get my practice in order so that I could actually retire and have it thrive with the team that was still there. So that's thankfully ongoing. And it's given me this opportunity to be with you with against the winds that became with the wind. And now we're introducing kids first forever as another way to bring to you a resource, so you can actually have access to us.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 19:40
And when the wind still continues, I think you need to share that it's still your show. It's still bringing in amazing doctors and people but we wanted to introduce kids first forever because so many people I get all the emails, and so many people ask, you know, but I What about this and they'll ask a million questions and some But those questions really have to do with what's happening in these kids lives personally, you know, what kind of conditions are going on? It's these aren't yes or no answers for things. And that's when I realized how powerful you are as a coach. And now that you understand wellness coaching, I've heard you in these sessions, and you're, it's very powerful for these families. It's information, it's education, I think those are the same. But those are all it's things that people need. And it's just like a part of an informed consent practice. He's sharing information, he's educating you on things, but he's allowing you to make the decisions. Because the bottom line is, you're the one that's home with these children, the parents are the ones that have to make these decisions, not the doctors, not the government. And by you sharing it, it allows those people to make an informed decision that's best for them, whether they choose to vaccinate or not, or whether they choose to take any anything, you're not giving medical advice. We're not
Dr. Paul 20:59
diagnosing, we're not treating, we're simply taking the information you present, and then giving you some information and knowledge that you can really use. So DD, I'm interested in knowing if I'm a parent, and I have some concern, either for my child or my myself or my spouse or the dynamic of the family. What kind of things can you help with what kind of things would a person approach kids first forever, where you're available, I'm available, we're available.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 21:31
Now, it's huge. So going to kids first forever, which we will have the link on for that. Going to that website is where we explain a lot of things. That's where you can purchase a session, that's where you can do all those things. So I know for you, it's different for me, I do kid coaching, mom's mom coaching, parent coaching. And the idea is to provide support for many issues. If if it's in person, which I coach, a lot of kids in person, they'll come in. And there's a lot of issues now. And I attribute a lot of it to COVID, the anxiety, social anxiety, the stress, depression, a lot of kids and I know even with Ryder, my son when he was going through a lot of things between 15 and 16. He, we took him to counseling because even though I've wellness coached for 15 years before that point, I have always been told as a parent, you can't do the same thing for your child as a professional kid. So we took him to counseling, it didn't go well. And he made a threat that if I took him back, it wasn't gonna be a good thing. So he even said himself, it's like, he doesn't want to be shrinked. He wants to be heard and listened to. So there's all kinds of things that kids are going through these days. I even coached a four year old on the you know, what happens in a teacher was telling them something that wasn't true. So being able to talk without anybody worrying about what's being said, it gives us space for those people that's also been on Zoom, and there's a lot of information. So for me, it's all kinds of things. For a lot of parents, it's difficult to make a decision as a parent. And as as not just moms. But as parents, we feel guilt and guilt. And fear is a stopper. It interrupts us, we're moving forward. So that's me. And all of this information is on the website. What about you? What would you coach on?
Dr. Paul 23:41
I think the main thing I'm finding people want my knowledge and input on is vaccines. I wrote the vaccine friendly plan. That book is now many several years old. And a lot has changed since then. I've published data that's powerful. That is pretty clear that vaccines are causing a lot more problems than we even realize than I even realized. But it's still a really delicate topic for so many people, you have the dynamics of what does each parent want. Maybe they're not on the same page, you have the dynamics of fear, as you pointed out, fear of the diseases, fear of the vaccines, and what do we do? And that really needs to be a personal choice. Because again, I'm going to share information, I'm going to share knowledge, I'm not going to tell parents what to do. But unless we have that one on one, I know where you're coming from, where in the world you live, what things are going on in your community, what the dynamics are some states in the US, you can't get an exemption philosophical religious, or basically, you can't get a medical exemption anywhere anymore, because doctors who write medical exemptions, essentially lose their licenses. So you can't find anybody to write those. So how do you navigate that situation? What are your choices? We can have those discussions enough, I'm vaccines. I've also been a pediatrician for 3035 years. And all pediatric conditions are things I have coached on for my entire career. So if you're in your pediatric practice or family practice, or maybe you don't even have a doctor, and something's going on with your child, and you don't know what it is, but it feels your gut intuition as a mom or dad, is something's not right. You're not getting help. We can probably help.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 25:31
But on that note, yes, you can help you can listen, but you can't diagnose or treat. Correct. So if you don't have you're not a licensed doctor, how can you still help with those conditions.
Dr. Paul 25:46
So empowering the parent, giving them the knowledge they need to make the right choices. You know, health and wellness is almost always lifestyle related, right? So you get the nutrition dialed in, you get the toxins out of the world, there are so many things we can coach on that then allow the natural healing to take place. And that's the beauty of it all. I mean, you rarely needed pharmaceutical intervention, if you do, you're gonna find your regular doctor. And you're you always keep your main primary care, trusted provider. So you have that person available. We're talking about situations in which maybe that person is not helping you through the situation you're facing with your child. I think it's forever as a place to start thinking about as a resource as a partner in your family and your child's health.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 26:37
And so what I'm hearing you say too, is that part of that wellness coaching is more about integrative care more about doing what's, what's out there holistically. And but it is not a substitute for medical care. No, absolutely not. There's there's all kinds of conditions that should be seen. And I think that that's what's really important for your both of us to share. But because I get calls all the time, and or get text, oh my gosh, my child just has 103 Fever, what do I do? You call your doctor. But again, it's also it's offering those things if for me, it's calling a parent, it's saying when they get like a situation where they call their doctor, and the doctor is like, Oh, the nurse, excuse me said, you know, don't worry about it. If they start to seize though you should check them in. So I think for a mom or a new mom, it's like, what? How do I know that zap? And so a lot of times, it's just sharing, again, education and information in a positive loving space so that parents can do what's best for their child.
Dr. Paul 27:44
Yeah, absolutely. I remember in my practice, integrated pediatrics, we would get calls from around the world. We want to fly into Portland, Oregon and see Dr. Paul. Well, we didn't support that, because it just the logistics of running a regular practice that takes insurance. I didn't see how I could justify that or make that work. Well. Now, as you pointed out, you can get on a zoom call, and you can get some input, some education, some information, and then make your own choices. I want to pivot back to you, the viewers. This is with the wind, our show will live on and we intend to pretty much be here for as long as I have breath. And a mind that works. Because this is a powerful partnership, you and us sharing information bringing some of the best experts from around the world that you're not hearing from on mainstream media. Sadly, there's been so much censorship. What's, what's your thought about that? I mean, in your own world, do you? Do you see that we have a value here with with the wind?
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 28:53
Oh, yeah. And that's, that's what I had said earlier, was it still with the wind, we're introducing kids first forever as a way to support parents and children and people to know that there's other things because these, these are not typical ways in a mainstream practice. They don't have somebody there to educate that way. It's it's so cut and dry. And as we've learned in hospitals, and that's what's been great about the show, and that will continue is you have exposed so much. And we've talked to so many people and we've talked to children who have been injured and parents who've lost their children. And that that part of the show is will always go on and will be there. I think now what we're just trying to share is that this other kids first forever, is that's the passion that's putting kids first and doing that. So there will be like I introduced on one of our past shows when I took over the studio, living room logic and just having ways to share things and do things and integrating Got into the show is important. And that's the thing is, is that okay with you, the viewer, what do you want, you can email me, we'll put that link down to email, tell us what you want, tell us what you're looking for, share what else should be there and at kids first forever.com, that's where you go, and you can be on the newsletter to follow. But you also have the ability to connect with us. And we give different options. And it's its first year going, lots can change. And as we change, and as we grow, we'll share more with you. But again, it's just really about having the healthiest world that we can. And that's the thing I've noticed that I feel like the show has helped and especially changing to with the wind is somebody had emailed and said, Oh, so you're not fighting anymore. You're not against the wind anymore. Now you're joining forces with these idiots. No, we're not. We're trying to explain that hate divides, fear divides, and pushing up against somebody, the harder you push up against a wall, the bigger the wall gets, the stronger it goes. We need to dig under, go under, move under and take those walls down and share with people just because you disagree with somebody and you and I disagree all the time. Just because we disagreed doesn't mean that we can't listen to each other from a loving place, and hopefully move forward together. But even if we don't move forward together, we might go our own direction, but we can go our own directions together, we don't have to run into each other head on to prove our point.
Dr. Paul 31:36
So DeeDee I know one of the things that you've introduced to me that I'm just so excited because we're going to also give this to our viewers, as part of the show is something you called living living room logic. And I have been guilty in the past of certainly with my own kids, as I was raising, I was super guilty of this year. Okay, get up, you know, your kid falls and scuffs them up. My son behind the cameras, probably Oh, yeah. How many times? You know, if
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 32:06
you're not broken or bleeding, you're fine.
Dr. Paul 32:07
Exactly. And you have a different take on that. And it's sort of explain the living room logic concept first, and then maybe use the Euro Kay example of perhaps a different way of looking at things. All right.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 32:22
So when people reach out to us for wellness coaching, which we've already described in this segment, it's also it's, it's learning how to apply it at home. And in our world. Not everybody can run to us every day asking for certain things. And what we got out of in our world, and especially with what happened with COVID Is everybody was brought together, and then there became this just this intense energy and feeling and it's almost like family started to divide in a way. What has happened, though, now is that people forget that the most important lessons come in our home, that kindness and that gentleness. So with living room logic, it's bringing back things. And so whether it's from wellness coaching, or what they've learned, it's going back home and talking to your family and being together and using critical thinking again. So that's why I named it living room logic is let's get back home and talk. Nobody has dinner together anymore.
Dr. Paul 33:15
I liked that concept also of kid comes home from school. I used to ask, Well, how was your day? Okay, fine. And then nowadays, kids are off on their devices, right? They're off to their own rooms. People aren't gathering, they're not debriefing together. And really, you know, parenting, as we probably should. So, tell us how you would process the Euro K thing.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 33:44
So and that's the and the reason of that is when we share living room logics. It's for parents to think about these concepts and what we're introducing, do they do these things do and what works? Should they start re approaching some of these things at home with their children to help? So we're up in Canada with my niece, my niece is four or five, six, she trips, she hurts her knee, she skins her knee, we pick her up, tell her she's okay. She's fine. She's not going to die. And so she's still crying as we walk into the restaurant. And I hear the words. You're fine, you're fine jazz, you're fine. And I'm something in my soul even isn't setting right. But she was fine. She wasn't gonna die till we get into the restaurant. And she was told again, I'm gonna. She's told again. You're fine. Stop crying. And she stood up in the middle of the restaurant and yells, I'm not fine. And she what she says is I'm not okay. I'm bleeding. And she was hurting. And it was at that point that we realized that by telling her she's okay when she's not okay. For some kids, they come inside. Okay, I'm okay. Well, if I'm okay, then why do I hurt? And if I'm fine, and there's an issue then why are you telling me Okay, pretty soon and what I've seen from personal experiences when somebody grows up into there should feel fine, but they don't feel fine. Well, they turn to things that make them feel fine, to drugs to alcohol, to things that calm that peace inside just doesn't feel okay. So I realized how important it is from birth. When I'm working with babies and I work with a lot of infants every week. We do we hold our babies and we tell them you're fine. You're fine, you're fine. A kid falls, you're fine, you're fine. What I realized is a baby's crying. Something's not okay. There's a wet, they're hungry. They're not comfortable. Something's going on. And sometimes babies just cry. But what if we talk to them? What if we say what's happening? Are you wet? Are you hungry? I got you. You're safe. I'm with you. Everything's gonna be okay. But not you're okay. If you're not okay. Yeah. And I've worked with parents with that for a living a long time. And so for a living room logic when our kids come home, if rather than saying you're okay, if it's clear that something's not okay. Rather than asking a question, what's going on? And what happened today? Not just How'd your day go? Yeah, but what happened? Or today? Today's terrible. The one I've heard all the time was today sucks. Don't ask me about it. Yeah. So I think that's the pieces if I tell you that you're okay. And you're not okay. Something happens inside.
Dr. Paul 36:28
Yep. Kids close down. One of the most powerful things i i got, in real world with my own wellness coaching with this woman was you go from I've got you. So your kid is hurting, let's say. But they don't have to feel alone, too, then we've got this, too even. You've got this. So you're you're transferring that first support, then we're together, then you're empowering. It's powerful. And it's a whole lot better than your Okay, when maybe they're not. And so you're validating, you're supporting and then you're empowering, it's beautiful.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 37:05
And have kids, that's the thing together thing. And again, when we wellness coach, it's finding those strengths and those things within themselves. And I think that's something that we forget that we can do for our children, and with bodywork, and in some of the more you know, yoga and more integrative things that reach deeper into our soul to to help us feel stronger. Because there are these two sides. It's these deep feelings and these emotions and there's this mental aspect. And that's why the combination of those four factors is so important. Okay, I bruised my knee. So physically, something's going on. And emotionally right now I'm upset because I tripped and now I'm embarrassed. But mentally, okay? Now, someone's just told me I'm okay. I don't feel okay. So now that affects my emotions and things. So being able to process all four things. I think that's where it strengthens everything. And then spiritually, everything's sitting inside going, okay, I'm okay, I'm, I'm going to be okay. Or I'm not going to be okay. And this is what I'm going to do about it. But I'm going to make the decisions for myself about how I feel and not be told how I feel. And as parents, we get to support that teachers should be supporting that. Our friend should be supporting that. And I feel like that's the biggest piece is if you don't feel like your children are getting those kinds of supports, bring them back into the living room, talk to them, explain what's out there to support them and help them don't let them feel alone. And like they can't do it. And I've had so many parents over the last 10 years tell me that they realized, even from infants, when they started changing that they realized how much they were important powering their children. We I've had parents when their kids are crying. They'll either say you're okay, or they go I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Don't be sorry. Tell them you love them and that you care about them and that they're there for you. It's okay, I've got you. Yeah, it's okay. You're okay.
Dr. Paul 39:00
So, Didi participated in. You didn't know I was going to tell you. She participated in this research project out of the University of Washington, where there were all sorts of modalities of complementary care to help with pain. And yours was massage but this was during the COVID period. So there was no hands on. And I'm thinking this is insane. How can a massage therapist do massage? Zoom online. You were the most requested provider of everybody else that was involved in many of them were actually able to do hands on because they were in Washington, you were in Oregon. And I witnessed some of those sessions I would call it coaching and the power of being able to listen and being able to really hear what's going on in a person. This is sort of what you were talking about with parents and kids and I just want to let you know When you're a parent, you're struggling with eye, whether it's an infant who's screaming and not doing well, or it's a child is going through stuff. And they're really struggling. They could be suicidal, anxious, depressed, you name it. They're having trouble with their peers, they're having trouble with school, and you don't know what to do. Here's your resource resource.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 40:18
Well, and that it's funny that you brought that study up, I haven't thought about it in a while, and I just got another report on it. They still keep us filled in on what's happening. So it did have to be over zoom. And, and what was great though, is there's all kinds of things, massage bodywork, all these kinds of things. What happened was, I was most requested, because so many people were like, well, how are you going to do massage will resume I would show I had one person on the table one time and was showing, but it was back to listening, what did each of these people need. And the thing to remember is that the people that were put into this study, were addicted to opioids, they were trying to come up with the research was to show that there's other modalities and other ways besides painkillers, because so many people, especially in that Spokane, Washington area had died from overdose, and people who were dealing with really intense problems. And I never even thought about that. But when I was working with these people, it was back to that listening and showing them ways to work on their own leg, showing them decompression, showing them the tools, showing the people in their lives, how to work on them, it's not just necessarily going to somebody else, it's how to help people in your own world. But the the information given back to them is that they found that out of the two modalities, and most that were picked with me were chiropractic. And then the other one was PT that was put in with a massage. And when those two are picked together, they felt like the coaching that was given was more powerful, they picked that over and it just go just goes to show me that it's not necessarily even the physical work, it's how people chose to use the resources given to them to adjust and, and it was a better way for them than the opioid Yeah,
Dr. Paul 42:10
it's about empowering you. It's about empowering your children. It's about empowering the individual who had been struggling to then use the tools that you can point them to, to heal themselves. It's great stuff we're going to close with from the heart with from the heart, and are from the heart today is going to be about gratitude. This is our 100th episode. And from the bottom of my heart, I want to thank you for all the support all the encouragement you've given me over the years, it's been years. Wow, that's incredible. And the sharing that we've had, it has been my honor, to be able to be a part of this journey, and to have been placed at this time in this place. With all the circumstances that came down to really create the environment for this to happen. You know, it's all about medical freedom. It's about personal freedom, it's about connecting with our heart and soul. And, you know, I have gratitude for my journey in pediatrics, I have gratitude for this woman that's sitting beside me who helped me open up my heart, and really start on this next path of trying to unite and not divide, and doing it with love. So that's my, from the heart is just gratitude to each and every one of you, gratitude to you. And just that, wow, I get to be on this journey, we get to be on this journey. So thank you.
DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT 43:44
And now, from my soul, I think that one thing that's really important to point out is being involved in the way that I am in hearing from so many of you and watching you is that from my soul, what I feel is that there is this big spiritual movement in our world. In our society. There's social elements, where again, we we forget to be thankful of what we have, we forget to appreciate each one of us. And even though maybe my thinking is so different from yours, I feel like so deep within me there is this need to be able to be gentle and loving and kind with each other. And I have found that sometimes that's hard to connect with all the time. So my gratitude is for each of you for your continued support. And my gratitude is to you for not giving up for being willing to be who you are and continue to fight as hard as you do from such a loving and kind place. So, thank you.
Unknown Speaker 44:54
So from our heart and our soul. We thank you
Dr. Paul 45:03
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