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​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Could it be that our health freedom is truly under fire? Is it possible that our public health officials have been lying to us? How do we seek the truth when doctors have been led to believe in the marketing slogan that vaccines are safe and effective? This show we'll highlight the importance of informed consent. I'm Dr. Paul Thomas, and welcome to against the wind, doctors and science under fire. Welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. I'm Dr. Paul, we are bringing to this episode, an interview with one of the top immunologists and MD, Dr. humann, nor Sham, and he is highlighting the potential danger of COVID-19 vaccines in those individuals previously infected. He has a unique program that he's promoting called screen before vaccination. And this is vital and is not being done in this country. We then get an interview with a just choice family, Carolyn Meyers and her son Jacob. And they just share about his journey with ADD ADHD, and comparing his journey compared to those for example of the youngest sibling who was not vaccinated, and it's just been the healthiest child of all. We then finish this episode with an interview from Professor Josh gets go. He's Associate Professor of Sociology and criminology in Israel. He's sharing data from the vaers the vaccine, adverse events reporting system and data on COVID vaccines. He's also specifically sharing about Israel's green passport. Folks, this was news to me, but it's already been implemented. They are actually issuing passports if you want to leave the country or even attend restaurant events, you will have to produce a passport. As they roll it out. They will allow you to get tested I think within three days of the event or the travel but this is where things are going in certain parts of the world. And of course we wind up the show with the news that you're not getting on mainstream news with Bernadette pager who is always bringing us important information that you don't want to miss. Thank you for watching against the wind and enjoy the show.

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I turned 64 yesterday, but my hearts heavy. My spirits light having the medical license suspended by the medical board for caring enough about my patients to listen to their stories, believe them. And then I published the vaccine friendly plan book, the research that demonstrates that there's validity in those stories. Well, this has left me in a place where I've ultimately chosen to forgive and open my heart. What's on my heart today is love and forgiveness. I'm learning to replace fear and pain, with love and forgiveness. That has to start with me. As I find myself in this space of loving and forgiving myself. It's allowed me to see what I want more clearly. What I want is to share all that I have with my family, my patients and with you. I was filled with fear, frustration and anger. And I was placing all of that on the medical board. I was ready to fight that has to change. So I've begun to change the show. And what I want to share is changing as well. Moving forward I want to come from a place of love. I am human. So you may see my frustration with the system that I would like to see change. But this show moving forward, will be about informed consent, sure, but also about my hope that we develop vaccines that are safer. More importantly, how do we move forward from a world that's full of pain. If any of my actions, or what I have done has caused you pain, please, please accept my apology. That was never my intent. My desire has always been to be helpful, honest and loving. I'm committed to healing myself, so I can live and love better see more clearly, and have more presence and ability to share in a way that would be helpful. Our world is torn apart, polarized over the vaccine issue and so many other issues. It's ripping families apart, my own included. This chaos around the world truly ends up affecting us all at a very deep level. When it comes to vaccines, which we've talked a lot about on this show, know that what's done, it's done. Don't have regrets, we need to move on embrace the potential benefits of what the vaccines have potentially done for us, and then do our very best to minimize any immune or toxic harm that may have been caused by those vaccines. While this show focuses on the information that's vital, and not being shared on mainstream media, I want to continue to create a show that makes a difference that can help you move away from fear and towards love. While we do cover the information that's essential for you to make sound, evidence based scientific decisions. I also want to show positive aspects that are going on in our world. ways to build a healthy mind, body and soul. against the wind is your show. There will come a time when we can turn around and have that wind blowing from our back, blowing us forward with full force of love and acceptance. Join us share this show with everyone you care about. I'm Dr. Paul.

Welcome, Dr. Hooman Noorchashm. It is a real privilege and honor to have you on this show. I simply know you as an MD PhD immunologist in Philadelphia, but maybe you can enlighten the audience on your background in medicine and your credentials.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  7:50  
Sure. Paul, thanks very much for having me on your show. We're going through a very difficult time, nationally and internationally. A lot of folks are concerned about the vaccine. So, you know, I think it's, it's really a privilege to be talking to you and your audience. I'm an MD, PhD, as you said, I trained at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine under a medical scientist training program grant, which led to an MD and PhD degree in immunology. So my area of scientific expertise is cellular immunology, I spent time at the University of Pennsylvania on the faculty at the immunology graduate group, and at Harvard Medical School for a year as an instructor in surgery Following completion, my fellowship. So I've spent a lot of time over the course of my career thinking about how antibodies are generated, how T cells function, and you know how protective immunity is generated. So that's that's sort of in a nutshell is my educational background.

Dr. Paul  8:46  
Wow, that's amazing, folks. We have a real live immunologist on our hands here. This is so exciting. So I'm a pediatrician. And it feels like children are just not getting COVID in any significant way. They don't seem to be in much danger. And I have a sense that that's due to their innate immune system. But I'd love to ask an immunologist great question and such a blessing.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  9:12  
I mean, think about it, right? If you go back to the flu pandemic of 1918, right, kids were kids were affected by it. But 19 pandemic was affecting kids at the same rate or in the same demographic as adults. What a catastrophe that would be. I mean, this, this is such a blessing. I can't really tell you exactly what it is that's different between the flu and SARS. COVID. To You know, it may come boiled down to just simply dumb luck, but you don't think

Dr. Paul  9:43  
it has anything necessarily to do with the different arms of the immune system? I mean, do kids have a more robust natural immune system? Or Well,

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  9:52  
from a from an adaptive immune system immunity perspective? That's certainly true. For example, if you take a child as you know Take a check to chest X ray of a neonate. You know, half their chest is filled with the thymus, which is where T cells are coming from. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's just from just from the perspective of how robust a child's immune system is. I think that's probably a fair assessment, whether it's causal to why, you know, SARS, COVID to his his sparing kids. I don't know, I don't I don't think that I think the jury's still out on that.

Dr. Paul  10:23  
Now, you've written about a screen before vaccines approach? And it was, I think you've, you've made it clear to me that there's something unique going on some potential danger, shall we say to those who've already had COVID-19 disease illness? Can you explain that to the audience? What what your concerns are and what your proposed approach to address those concerns would be?

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  10:51  
I think it would be an understatement for us not to accept that we're doing something really unprecedented in this vaccine campaign, that you look, there's no question that this vaccine is a very powerful vaccine, it's, it's highly likely to be very effective at preventing progression of disease. The one issue that's that's fundamentally different about this, and really, I think has been unprecedented in the history of vaccine science, in the Western Hemisphere, at least, is that we're literally deploying this large scale vaccine campaign, in the midst of an outbreak, where we're literally millions of people have had recent natural infections. So literally, you have individuals were walking around, and their tissues have been bathed in viral antigens, if you will. So literally, when the virus infects you, naturally, every one of your tissues is getting infected, there's cells in all of your tissues that are infected. And these antigens from these these viruses, even after you recover, linger, so now along you come along comes the vaccine man and injects a vaccine into a person who who's had a recent infection, that immune response that the vaccine forces to be activated now can extend itself to all these tissues where the antigens located so I, you know, this is this is really a fundamental fundamental problem,

Dr. Paul  12:15  
I think. And I think it's been underestimated by all the vaccine manufacturers and the FDA, I think we're doing something potentially really unsafe here, you're now mounting an immune response against the tissues where that antigen was residing. So a natural infection comes, usually you're going to breathe it in, or you're going to eat it through your GI tract. I mean, those are the points of entry, maybe your eyes, but those are the main ways. A vaccine is a very different source of entry. And my understanding is they're they've got a lot of viral particles in these vaccines, right? So it's getting into your bloodstream effectively and just going everywhere, whereas you would neutralize a natural infection locally first.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  12:54  
So first of all, the mRNA vaccines are, you know, they're they're made of mRNA. And so this is a self limited amount of antigen that's being introduced. But But I think that if the if the individual actually does not have a pre existing infection or occurrence in natural infection, that the spillover rate from the mRNA alone is going to be relatively low. So I know that there are concerns people have about this mRNA being the gene therapy, for example, right? I think these concerns are, are somewhat unfounded. Because these mRNA copies are extremely unstable. They get taken up by cells, they get translated to protein, and it's one and done. So one mRNA strand translates into a protein. And that protein then gets expressed and presented to the immune system. But my concern, mostly is when you introduce the vaccine into a person who has had a prior natural infection, which really affects all tissues, right? So if you've had COVID, if you've had a COVID infection, you are essentially open field for the virus to replicate in all your tissues. So

Dr. Paul  14:02  
and I think we're reading about vasculitis, we're reading about myocardial issues. That would be those would be examples, I think, is that

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  14:10  
correct? So absolutely. Right. So So this virus has a has a targeting for the vascular and the phillium. For the for the heart muscle. It really targets those, those two, geographic anatomic locations with a high degree of specificity. And so imagine if you if your heart has, you know, the antigens from the virus lingering in it, or your vascular endothelium does, or let's say your meninges and your brain and your nervous tissue, do, you know you get this vaccine and the immune response gets reactivated? Well, it gets reactivated and goes to the places where the antigen was before, right? So we have exacerbation of my carditis you can have cardiac complications, you could have thrombo, embolic events like strokes and heart attacks. You could have seizures even, you know, from from

Dr. Paul  14:56  
so yeah, so that's a huge concern folks, like basically talking your heart, your blood vessels, blood clots brain, the the lining of your brain can get inflamed and you end up with seizures. These are all real things that we're also seeing this is happening, right? It's in the post surveillance data.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  15:15  
I think we're seeing a lot of these complications. Unfortunately, the way our system is set up is that both the press and our public health officials seem to have a tendency to say all these things are unrelated, or somehow they're at the same coincidence, a baseline level. They're coincidences, you know, it seems like seems like vaccines are the are the greatest cause of coincidences these days?

Dr. Paul  15:36  
That's that's been my experience.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  15:40  
Fortunately, it's unfortunately the you know, the way it's being projected. But But look, I think the you asked me about the screen before vaccine approach. Yeah. How should we go about that? Yeah. So look, it's a very simple thing, right? Look, you have you have people who are susceptible, you have elderly people, frail people, people who have cardiovascular risk factors, people who have autoimmune diseases, right? These are people at risk. What we need to do is we need to screen these people before we vaccinate them. It's as simple as that you screen them by PCR for the antigen, whether they have active virus or not. And you screen them for itG antibody to demonstrate if they have idg antibody in their system, it means they've been exposed before. So there's really no sense in vaccinating those people that they've already most of them are immune. Alright,

Dr. Paul  16:23  
what are your thoughts about PCR technology with this concern about the cycles that are all over the place and usually undisclosed? As far as the ability for that technology to actually detect real virus versus just noise? Yeah,

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  16:41  
so so the the PCR technology currently exists and most approved Labs is designed to pick up mRNA. And yes, PCR could be tweaked to have different levels of sensitivity and specificity. And in fact, if you increase the number of cycles on the PCR, you could get false positives, right. But really, here is a very sensitive technique, I think there's a reasonable chance, this is actually a pretty good diagnostic test. So if you have a PCR positive, you probably have over 90% sensitivity on this, you know, and so I don't think there's any reason not to trust it, especially for what I'm proposing, which is screened before vaccines. So if you if you have a person come back positive on a PCR probably shouldn't vaccinate them, because it probably aren't affected. Certainly, if you use an IGA antibody screen, right. And you demonstrate that the person has IGA antibodies.

Dr. Paul  17:29  
I see the value in this context, because, you know, if you have a false positive, and they don't vaccinate, it's probably okay. Yeah. Now, it's interesting. So, you know, I've been targeted as being anti vaccine yet I vaccinated my kids. And I apparently you're also getting targeted and you're like about as mainstream doctors I know. I mean, you got the COVID vaccine yourself, did you not?

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  17:52  
Look, I'm as far as you can get from being an anti vaxxer. My kids have all been vaccinated. I got the COVID-19 vaccine myself. My parents got it, right. Yeah, PhD in immunology. I like I know exactly what vaccines could do for epidemics, right. But the fact is that you have an establishment narrative that tries to put people in these boxes, right. And and it's just it's completely irrational. It's an echo chamber. It's an echo chamber where people are not willing to consider that there may be folks who are at high risk from any medical practice. Really, I think it's driven by industry, Paul, and it's driven by the fact that this in this this particular industry has a lot of legal protections.

Dr. Paul  18:33  
Yeah, there's no checks and balances, folks in the vaccine world. And this is unlike any other industry. So they have complete protection against liability, as do I ordering a vaccine for you, or the pharmacists, they're now talking about dentists and EMTs, and optometrist and ophthalmologist, being able to give vaccines if you thought you were getting formed in consent before meaning the doctor who's giving you your vaccine is going over the rest of the benefits. Yeah, it's gonna be really hard to get that when anybody can administer a vaccine. But the reason they can do this is there's zero liability. If you get harmed by a vaccine, good luck getting any kind of compensation or support, you take all that risk, which is why I'm so big on informed consent. And so maybe share the story about what happened with your wife. I think this was a big wake up call right to androgenic things.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  19:26  
You know, for me, you know, Paul, I, my family's been through an unbelievable tragedy. For the past eight years we've been dealing with this and longer even my wife was an anesthesiologist, and also an immunologist, Penn trained, was a member of the Harvard Medical School faculty. And you know, she underwent a surgical procedure involving removal of her uterus for symptomatic uterine fibroids. These are tumors in the uterus and, and sometimes these tumors are cancerous, but gynecologists don't really look to see If the if there is a cancer there and they had this procedure called morcellation, where they, they would grind up the tissue and they take it out of small incisions, the purpose is to do minimally invasive operations through smallest skin incisions. But if you know if you have a cancer, and you and you chop it up inside the abdomen, you create, you take a stage one cancer, and you create a stage for cancer and you and you create a catastrophe for the patient. So that's an AI intragenic harm. Now this was going on for 20 years, FDA did not pick up on it. The manufacturers were not if they knew they weren't willing to admit it. And the physicians were just saying, Oh, it's a less than 1% chance, right? So it's it's low, it's low probability. Meanwhile, you have literally 1000s of women every year across the United States and even more around the world, we're getting this operation, they're getting their cancers taken from a stage one that's curable, and about 50 to 60% of people to stage four, which is not curable. Right. So that's that's harm, you know, and they're so sorry, it's, you know, the rationale was that it's less than 1%. Now, you know, we've we've sort of, we've been through this for a while, it's been a tragic and absolutely horrific experience for me and my family and my children. But, but really, it taught us a lesson. And it taught me and my wife, both who were members of the establishment a very clear lesson, and that is that you could have a product, you could have a practice in medicine that's effective, that med benefits a majority of people in some way, but it harms a minority subset of people. And when you say harm, harm is by definition avoidable. You know, it's not an unavoidable complication. It's like, Look, if you actually look to see if there's a cancer there, then you wouldn't do this procedure. And now bringing it back to the vaccine equation here. Look, it doesn't really matter if one in 10,000 Americans are susceptible to this complication that I'm talking about here, right? The ones who are infected with the natural virus, it's not the frequency that matters. It's the fact that it's avoidable, and how to avoid it when it's avoidable. The issue is, are there a subset of people who are identifiable and who can prevent the harm? And I think the answer is yes. These are people who are naturally infected, I think you should exclude naturally infected people from the vaccination process, because they will represent a very significant minority subset of people who are in harm's way. Yeah. That's the whole screen before vaccine campaign.

Dr. Paul  22:19  
Yeah, that's wonderful. Thank thank you for sharing that personal tragedy that my heart goes out to you and your kids. You have six kids? And we do Yes. Wow. And they're all vaccinated. That's amazing. I have nine three biologic six adopted and, and that's, that's tremendous that you're, you're, you're raising six kids alone without their mother. That's just, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing that story. My wife and I had something somewhat similar in the sense that we did a procedure she was older for good as we got towards our last kid. And they recommended chorionic villus sampling to look at the genetics, well, it created a massive leak. And we delivered a stillborn at 24 weeks that there was no fluid created a toxic environment in her womb with no fluid to support the baby. And that was completely preventable, that procedure was not necessary, it's rarely done anymore. But at the time, that was the thing to do. And so folks, at that time, you're being told, you know, do these COVID vaccines, right, this is the thing to do. And what you're pointing out is, you know, on a worldwide massive scale, in the midst of a pandemic, this may not be the best thing to do, I think you've got some important information to share with the audience about the clinical trials that lead to the emergency use authorization I was one of you might share that.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  23:41  
Absolutely. And, Paul, again, I want to reiterate for you and for your audience, it's really, the scope of this can't be underestimated. We are literally doing something that's unprecedented in the history of vaccine science in the Western Hemisphere. We've really never deployed a large scale vaccine program in the middle of an outbreak. And in fact, you you as a physician know that if a patient comes into your office, and you want to vaccinate them, right, if they tell you, oh, I have an infection, or I'm not feeling good, I have the sniffles, or have a fever or, you know, you will never vaccinate that person. And there's good reason that it's, in fact, it's it will be a breach of standard of care if you did you know, if you vaccinate someone who has an infection, it's a breach of standard. I don't understand why we're suspending that in the middle of a pandemic. Now, we are literally saying everyone should get vaccinated doesn't matter if they're infected or not, you know, and we're not even going to look to see if they're infected because we know a vast number of these people are asymptomatic carriers. And now going to your question about the clinical trials. The UAE was was given the ways the emergency use authorization was given to Pfizer and Madonna and Johnson and Johnson based on some very important clinical trials. Okay, this vaccine is such an unbelievable piece of technology. It's literally the equivalent of putting a man on the moon and under a year, but the safety trials that efficacy and safety trials were not complete. What do I mean by that? I mean, that the subset analyses were infected people were being vaccinated did not have a sufficient number of people in them to demonstrate safety. Okay. All right. So Pfizer's trial had only 400 people who had incidental asymptomatic infections. What does that mean? It means that if you have a one in 400, or one and 500 complication rate, you may not pick it up, you know, especially if these people who you're putting in your trial are not the ones who are elderly and frail. They're not the ones with cardiovascular disease, they certainly did not have any pregnant women in there with pre existing right, or children. So our children are so here we are, we're just deploying this mass scale vaccination project in a setting where the clinical trials that led to the UAE approval did not did not include subsets of subjects that would be immunized normally. So we really don't know if this is safe and people who have had the recent infection. And in addition to that, the manufacturers and the FDA are not willing to include language that says, hey, if you are having known infection or a suspected infection, you shouldn't get vaccinated. Okay, they're not emphatic enough about that. It's just like, hey, vaccinate everybody.

Dr. Paul  26:20  
You know, they're vaccinating subgroups that were never tested, as you pointed out, the elderly, those with chronic underlying conditions, pregnant women, children, the studies were on very healthy middle of the pack aged people. Absolutely, if even if you had a family history of rescue were excluded. So really, this vaccine really was only tested on the fittest of the fit as far as immunologically and health history wise, probably the top 10 20% of the population and the rest. Were just hoping.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  26:51  
Yeah, you know, and one of the one of the really real tragedies is that anyone who raises any safety concern about this vaccine gets boxed up as someone who's trying to create vaccine hesitancy like one of the big critiques that people directed me when I say screen before vaccine is you're going to create vaccine hesitancy as if the population in the United States is stupid or something, I can tell you that if you have an institution where patients are sitting in a in a in a nursing home, for example, it's very easy to screen these people for for a prior infection. If you're a healthcare worker, you know, there was a gentleman down in Memphis, Tennessee, Paul, an orthopedic surgeon, otherwise healthy. His name is J. Barton Williams, you should look him up. He's all over the press. He it turns out he had an asymptomatic infection. seven weeks after he got married. He goes, goes to get his vaccine several weeks later that is and and you know, he gets the first shot. And then he gets the second shot. And then he basically dies in an ICU otherwise healthy guy with an asymptomatic infection. Everyone is saying that his death was unrelated to the vaccine? Well, I mean, look, Occam's razor says you vaccinate a guy and dies Three days later, it's related to the vaccine. But what about the vaccine? Is the vaccine itself intrinsically defective? I don't think so. I think it's the fact that this physician, this otherwise healthy young 36 year old physician was a prior infected person. And asymptomatic infection, he gets a vaccine and he lights up like a like a fireball. It's absolutely unbelievable that we can't have this discussion. You know, it's really, really tragic and scary. So we need a solution out of this. There's no question vaccines could be part of that solution. Right. So I don't really blame the FDA or the manufacturers or the scientists for trying to rapidly create a vaccine. The issue is, you know, you can't use it as a panacea, you can't use it as sort of a one size fits, all right? Because there are going to be populations of susceptible people, you haven't tested this on. And you can't really use the argument that says, oh, the majority benefit. It's okay. If a minority are harmed, that's just unethical. You know, we've done that experiment in America before, by the way, right? Well, can you think of a time when we said, Hey, we can suppress, exploit, manipulate, harm a minority subset of people, because the majority are benefiting? For God's sake, we fought a civil war over this? You know,

Dr. Paul  29:12  
there have been a few examples of that disaster examples.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  29:15  
Exactly. So so I just know, I think it's an untenable position to use this vaccine indiscriminately. We really have to be very circumspect about vaccinating folks who've had prior infections. It's just, you know,

Dr. Paul  29:26  
I totally agree with you. And as a pediatrician, I'm not sure we should be vaccinating children. I think that still remains to be determined whether that's a good idea or not, could children be a reservoir of natural immunity, that actually helps boost community immunity? I mean, we just don't know. You know,

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  29:42  
I do think that we need to do everything in our power to reduce the number of people who are infected, because every person who gets naturally infected is a reservoir for new mutations. And these mutations eventually could potentially lead to a variant that affects kids. I mean, it's not it's not magic. You know, I think is probably That SARS COVID. Two will mutate into a form that affects kids, it's possible. Well, how do you stop that you stop that by limiting the number of people in whom natural infections generate mutations. And I think that's part of the reason why the vaccine program is a good thing. But at the same time, you know, you can't just put the vaccine in every single person who's had an infection already. You know, look, Paul, most of these guys are already infect immun. Anyway, you know, most of the people who have natural infections are already immune. So I don't, you know, I really don't ascribe to this, this idea of indiscriminate vaccinations at this point, so it's, uh, you know, that's the that's the bottom line message right now.

Dr. Paul  30:38  
Yeah. Well, I think you also wrote about the need for equally weighing both efficacy and safety. You know, that's the problem, we know there's efficacy, the safety part is what concerns me more, because we have no long term safety testing, we have nothing really looking at all health outcomes. And vaccine trials tend not to do that they sort of limit what they will look at. And they also limit the timeframe. And that handicaps our ability to really get a true sense of safety. I agree with you. Look, safety and efficacy have to be equal footing, they're there, they're flip sides of the same coin.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  31:20  
The problem is that with efficacy, the efficacy part has to do with majority benefit. And there's a lot of money, and democratic voice and majority benefit. So inevitably, the efficacy part of the equation always takes precedence over the safety part, which has to do with minority harm. And we have to turn on our ethical brains as a society to be able to say, look, majority benefit of minority harm has to be equally weighted here, just because the majority are benefiting. It doesn't mean that we should ignore or downplay minority harm, even if it's in response to prognosticated harm. So

Dr. Paul  31:59  
thank you for simplifying that, you know, we talk about the greater good when it comes to vaccines. And that's that majority benefit that is used commonly in the world of vaccines. And, you know, when the harm side of the equation is relatively high, then this is a reason I'm such a fan of informed consent, that that in the end, the individual should make the decision, just because, you know, medical mandates take us in a very dangerous direction, particularly when we have an industry that's protected already.

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  32:35  
Yeah, look, I think that I think that mandating people to get vaccinated is a mistake. I mean, not number one, it really is sort of overrides the principle of autonomy in medical and medical ethics. So you know, if you if you force someone to get a get a medical therapy, it's really fundamentally violates the principle of medical ethics. But But look, when it comes to informed consent, there are limitations, right? Look, I don't know if you remember Michael Jackson's case, you know, Michael, yeah. Right. It provided informed consent to the doc who gave him that profile. Right. So I don't think informed consent really should be viewed as a patient safety vehicle. You know, I think it would be a mistake to assume that it will ensure safety, it ensures patient autonomy, it's given properly, but it's not a patient safety device.

Dr. Paul  33:20  
Well, you nailed it on the head. It's not done properly. It's not. Because if I'm aware of, you know, a whole slew of risks, and you're in, in giving informed consent to the same family, and you're not aware of any risks, because vaccines are safe and effective, that's your mantra, then they've got informed consent either way. That's right. Right. Would you like people to go to get more information?

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  33:44  
Thanks for asking that. Paul. You know, I write for on medium calm, and I express my thoughts there. So people are welcome to just search my name out, certainly about the hashtag screen before vaccine. How can I communicate about that on medium on Facebook and on Twitter? I welcome anyone to go on my Twitter feed. It's at Norwich ash and o r, ch, sh M.

Dr. Paul  34:09  
And that's my Twitter feed on Facebook. It's just my name. And on medium.com it's my last name. Well, the ability to get tested is is increasing. It's not quite as hard as it used to be. So folks, this is a real thing. And it's a real safety thing. And it's a simple thing to do. You can get tests actually sent to your home now but but ask your doctor even, you know asked to be tested before you get the vaccine. It's your right as a consumer to do this. And now we have the scientific rationale behind it. So you add a very important piece safety

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  34:47  
piece to the vaccine program screened before vaccine is the is the COVID-19 vaccine as a seatbelt is to an automobile. And that's what I'd like to leave the folks with.

Dr. Paul  34:57  
That's beautiful. Thank you. So So bitumen that that that nails it, I love your analogies. I wish you and your family the very best. And hopefully I can have you on again in the future,

Dr. Hooman Noorchashm  35:08  
it will be my privilege. Thank you very much.

Dr. Paul  35:10  
Thank you.

Welcome to our studio session I have with me in the studio, one of my family's from integrated pediatrics. We've got Carolyn mom, we've got Jacob, we've seen quite a bit of each other, Aiden and Maya. So in this segment, we're just going to highlight sort of your journey with regards to any challenges that might have potentially been related to vaccines. So it's, it's very tricky. At times to know whether you know, what we're seeing in our children as far as symptoms, does it have anything to do with vaccines or not? So we don't always know for sure. But share with me your thoughts. Let's start maybe Jacob, since you are the oldest, let's start with your story.

Carolann Meyers  36:02  
Well, Jacob came out

I guess, fairly normal.

And,

and I did all everything you're supposed to do as a new parent. I didn't question anything at all. Because I just thought was gonna do what the doctors told me to do. And that was the best way to go about being a parent, right? Because they don't come with a playbook. Yep. So we got all of his shots on time. And, you know, when you're a new parent, I think that sometimes having those appointments to go check in with the doctor and tell you that everything is okay is reassuring. Sure, right. Yep. And I just kind of always thought as a new parent, you know, if she got sick that that was normal, I thought everything was going along pretty fine. Until he was round two. And when he turned two, or it was sometime in between that, you know, like one and two. And at a certain point, he had gotten really sick that year, he had gotten like RSV. And I had been to the pediatrician several times. And I think he had around antibiotics. He had some inhalers and and then he got pneumonia. And I remember this pretty traumatically because I remember the doctor saying to me, Well, why didn't you bring him in sooner? And this is after they kind of had told me that I was

overreacting

and couldn't win for losing. I couldn't win for losing. And my husband, you know, he was like, Oh, you're overreacting and my kids sick. And that was pretty traumatic. But I didn't know any better. And he did end up having pneumonia. And they realized he was almost hospital guys. We went in super early in the morning, and she gave him the antibiotics and the leg shock. He was sick, he was sick. And she was like, if this doesn't work within the next few hours, then you'll have to come back. Okay. And luckily, he started getting better and and then we went in to the preschool years.

Dr. Paul  38:15  
What were those like?

Carolann Meyers  38:17  
And when I got him into the classroom, I realized that what people had been saying that he was hyper and that he probably has ADHD could be more true than I thought, because I always thought, you know, just people aren't used to him. He's just high energy boy. And so when I got to meet with the other kids, I realized, okay, yeah, he's a little slightly different.

Dr. Paul  38:42  
Yeah. And was he at some point formally diagnosed with anything?

Carolann Meyers  38:47  
Well, I always heard that you weren't supposed to really have them diagnosed until they were in kindergarten. Sure. So I waited until it was five. Yeah. And then and then I did have him diagnosed the pediatrician said, Okay, let's go ahead and do all the tests and sign you up for all those green papers. I don't remember what they're called like the V. Testing. I can't remember a Vanderbilt

Dr. Paul  39:13  
I under belts. Yeah,

Carolann Meyers  39:14  
yeah. And so he did all those and and then they did diagnosed him with ADHD.

Dr. Paul  39:21  
Yeah. So Jacob, don't worry about that. I don't like labels and we know we know each other and we're not label people. Like I'm pretty hyper people who know we'll go Oh, yeah, he's probably got ADHD himself. But I don't go through life with a big old sign on my forehead ADHD, right. I always mom and dad, if you're watching, sorry, but my dad's a little quirky. My mom tends on the anxious side. I was more hyper, I think and in attentive than they were my own kids even more severe, right. So why why are we seeing this change with generations, I think it has to do with where it We're living in a much more toxic world, right? It's not your fault. It's not your mom's fault. One of the toxins, though, that we don't usually think about is what's in vaccines, because it's a direct injection. So you're bypassing the normal defensive mechanisms. If I eat toxins, I can poop them out. Oh, sorry about talking about poop on the show. Talk on the show. But if you inject you bypass that. So anyway, I just wanted you to know, you know, I don't want you to feel bad that we're talking about that. It's just a label. Interestingly enough, though, my data from my study just recently published showed no ADHD in the unvaccinated children. What? No, ADHD, that's not a weird, that's it. I had a feeling there was less, I had no idea was that significantly less? I mean, the significance was incredible. Anyway, so So now you're in the early years of school and my recollection, because I've had you as a patient now for a few years as you're super bright. But maybe at times, you tend to be a little pushback at people. Yeah. Yeah.

Carolann Meyers  41:04  
You will not people like for sure. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  41:06  
No, no, no, no.

Dr. Paul  41:09  
And, and I know from from knowing you and chatting with you guys a little before, what I found with the very, very bright people, patients who may have this focus thing, which you know, you don't sitting here, nobody can look at any of us and think that we have a focus problem, right? We're just looking fine on the outside. But on the inside my brain might be going in all sorts of places, right? But if you're super smart, you can still learn in those early years of school, even though you're not paying attention. I always say that he

Unknown Speaker  41:39  
learns by osmosis. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  41:40  
he's just not that smart. Still, right. You're in freshmen now in high school, I think. Yeah. And you're still handling even algebra, despite probably not really giving it that much effort? Um, yeah. Yeah.

Carolann Meyers  41:53  
minimal effort. And that's fine. Yeah, he's passing.

Dr. Paul  41:56  
So So, you know, fast forward a few years if if you can stay, you know, locked in on giving it effort. You know, as things get harder, you won't always be able to just do it by osmosis. You might have to put the effort in. The world's your oyster, man, you're that smart. You just you may have to put effort at some point, I guess, is what I'm saying. But

Unknown Speaker  42:18  
you're a good brother.

Dr. Paul  42:20  
Yeah. So so what what would you say what things has Have you noticed that I've improved, perhaps over the years, because at some point, you came to my office? I think he'd already been fully vaccinated through age five or six. Oh, yeah. So he'd had his full set of vaccines. You're dealing with the focus things and the impulsivity and the oppositional type. I think

Carolann Meyers  42:42  
when we decided to switch to new pediatrician, it was because I felt like Jacob was test subject or pin cushion, or they were just throwing drug after drug at him to try to alleviate his behavior. fallbacks. Yeah, in the classroom, and I wasn't okay with that. Um, these are like serious drugs. Yeah, you're

Dr. Paul  43:05  
talking about the ADHD medication?

Carolann Meyers  43:07  
Yeah. And they would make him like, just emotionally inconsolable. And just I whacked out, I would have no idea I would just have to keep them home from school and give him whatever he needed to keep them calm because you and that was not normal for him. He could usually stay fairly calm and together, but he would be off the walls and

Dr. Paul  43:29  
remember those days? like kinda it's kind of a blur at this point. Yeah. Like, there's so much other stuff.

Carolann Meyers  43:36  
Where I was not okay with it. So that's when I started trying to look into other treatments, other ways of

helping him.

Dr. Paul  43:45  
Yeah. So out of curiosity, you've got a couple other kids here with you. We got Aiden is How is her journey been with regards to any sort of vaccine issues or focus issues?

Carolann Meyers  43:57  
She never had any focus issues. And I never really noticed. I mean, I was always pretty consumed with Jacob. Maya is 10 years younger than you. Yeah. And nine and a half, eight and a half years younger than Aden, by Aden would always just have weird illnesses, like so she would have weird allergies, and things that just weren't like normal. And asthma. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  44:24  
Yeah, what one of the things we found in our research, the unvaccinated rarely get allergies or asthma, and it's much more common in vaccinated. So it's just another? No, they'll say Association doesn't mean causation. However, when you actually look at the data systematically, and you realize that the vaccines preceded the development of asthma or allergies, there's certainly a possibility that it's a causation, right? It's just you need more data.

Carolann Meyers  44:51  
I never really noticed with her until I learned what I know now and then looking back and then having these asthma attacks out. Nowhere in a kid who seemed 100% Normal. Yeah, just now I'm like, Oh, well that was right after her kindergarten shots interested. She had pneumonia twice. She was diagnosed with asthma. She had all of these health problems right after the that set of vaccinations. I'm interesting. How can that not really?

Dr. Paul  45:22  
Yeah. So So what was your experience with Maya?

Carolann Meyers  45:26  
with Maya, we decided to take a chance. And that you can always vaccinate but you cannot unvaccinated?

Dr. Paul  45:36  
Well, that's a good point. How is she so she's unvaccinated?

Carolann Meyers  45:39  
unvaccinated? 100%? Four and a half

Dr. Paul  45:41  
years old. Okay. And how is she done? health wise?

Carolann Meyers  45:44  
She's the healthiest person in our family.

Dr. Paul  45:47  
Okay.

Carolann Meyers  45:49  
Two times. She's had a fever of 99.53 times in her life in her life. Yeah. Never so much. She had a sniffle like once. Yeah. never thrown up. Knock on wood, please.

Dr. Paul  46:03  
That this story that you're sharing is is the reason I'm having you on the show today. Because this is what I hear over and over again. And

Carolann Meyers  46:13  
she licks rocks.

Dr. Paul  46:16  
For Jacob and Aiden, it's not your mom's fault. I vaccinated my kids completely. We just didn't know any different, right? But we now have the data that's very clear that the choice not to vaccinate is not unreasonable. Because this is what you get very healthy children. You have almost no neurodevelopmental issues, almost no allergies or asthma. She is so creative. They don't get sick. She

in what way she's creative, the creative, this

Joshua Gertzkow  46:48  
is crazy. She

Dr. Paul  46:49  
runs around, she's

Carolann Meyers  46:50  
100%. And what you would suspect or expect as a four year old cheetahs, she plays animals. She has a great imagination. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  47:02  
Well, folks, I wanted you to just sort of hear that, because it's real. This, this is one example. But I have hundreds in my practice. If you are going to give the audience any kind of advice or just tips based on what you've experienced in your journey with your children, what would that be?

Carolann Meyers  47:26  
I think the biggest thing is to take the chance and remember that you can always vaccinate, I can have her vaccinate, and now if I want to, but you can't take it back. You can't unvaccinated once those toxins are in your body. That's it. We've tried several detox with Jacob and it's made a slight difference. But you know, we can't take it back.

Dr. Paul  47:52  
So you make a really good point. The, the fact that vaccines are triggering autoimmunity and allergy in addition to direct toxicity, but it's the autoimmunity that's exploding across the world. And that is the most difficult thing to treat. It's it's almost impossible. So what you see on commercials on TV here in the US, at least where you can advertise direct to consumers are all these commercials for immunosuppressants? Yes, right. I mean, they're just a new one every week, you know, suppressants do what it says we're suppressing the immune system. Of course, the warnings are you can get infections and die. Well, that sounds like a great idea. Let's suppress the immune system right now, when we have COVID going around, what a wonderful idea. Not necessarily. So it's important, I think, as a world that we start really looking at all the information. And what you're proposing people at least think about is just give it some serious thought.

Carolann Meyers  48:54  
I remember when I was pregnant, and then my obstetrician, she was an old school doctor. And she told me she was like, well, the less interventions, the better. So you may think that this had some seasonal allergies, and she's like, you may think that taking Sudafed would be a good idea, and it's 100% safe drug for pregnant women. But if you could really hold back and just try not to have any interventions, it would be better for you and old school

Dr. Paul  49:22  
pediatricians, old school obstetricians, right, the people who would deliver babies used to say, don't take anything into your body that might harm the developing fetus. And yet today, they're now pushing two different vaccines, the flu shot which you can even get twice if it spans two seasons, and the teeth out because they're the worry of pertussis. It's a topic for a different video. But yeah, you bring up a wonderful point. Use your mama instinct, you're not doing anything mama bear and don't do anything that might potentially harm your child. I'm not giving medical advice, folks, you check this out with your own physicians. This is just an informational show. But I want to thank you so much all of you for coming on this show.

Welcome to an amazing guest I have today Joshua Gertzkow, who is an associate professor of sociology and criminology at the Hebrew University in Israel. Josh, you grew up in California, I believe, right? Yeah, you did your ba and in Berkeley, your Ma and PhD at Princeton and sociology. You are a postdoc in Health Policy at Harvard at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. You've been an associate professor of sociology at the University of Arizona, and you've been in Israel. Now, I think with your Israeli born wife, and you've got kids there for the last 11 years. I am so excited to chat with you. I you're the first person that I've actually had a face to face chat about what's going on in Israel.

Joshua Gertzkow  50:54  
Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. So I guess a little bit of background, Israel, up until now has not had any kind of vaccination mandate, and not even for kids, for school aged kids with very, very high vaccine uptake, especially

Dr. Paul  51:13  
among kids.

Joshua Gertzkow  51:16  
And, you know, all around the world, Israel is being held up as kind of an example of, you know, what the first country to kind of get a very high vaccination rate against COVID. What people might not be aware of is how is how it was that Israel was able to get there. And that, basically, the head of the government and the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, signed an agreement or the government signed an agreement with Pfizer, where we would basically trade our health data for it to get first, you know, first in line for the vaccines, basically, to get the entire population. So this was a trade with Pfizer. But the details of this agreement are not fully known that the agreement was partially released, was heavily redacted. And all of the secret parts of the agreement are going to be kept secret for 30 years. What they're what exactly the agreement was, but everybody, including the press, including senior government officials, including the CEO of Pfizer, it all said that this is a huge experiment. Okay, they use the word experiment,

Dr. Paul  52:40  
or hard to call it anything else, right? If you're going to massively vaccinated an entire population and collect data on them, what else could you call it?

Joshua Gertzkow  52:48  
And it's not something that the people you know, agree to some other background about Israel, our medical system and government oversight bodies are riddled with conflicts of interest, just like in the US. Just to give you two quick examples are eight of the authors of this New England Journal of Medicine article on the effects of the vaccination campaign in Israel on COVID, eight of them have received money from Pfizer, in one way or another, a lot of them work in government agencies or public health institutions. And one of the key medical experts promote promoting the vaccination campaign said that Pfizer should do their clinical trial on children in Israel is also received lots of money from Pfizer for speaking and consulting fees. And one last thing, one of the owners of two of the biggest television stations in Israel is a large shareholder in biotech, which is the vaccine that the vaccine that Pfizer is producing and marketing, he stands to gain hundreds of millions of dollars. Because Pfizer vaccines, right? And this is all been documented. And people have traced this out. I mean, it's really astonishing. So with very, very few exceptions, the media is totally gung ho, and totally silent, totally gung ho about the vaccination campaigns completely in support of this green pass system, and completely, almost completely silent about vaccine injuries and deaths. And when they are recorded, they're almost immediately dismissed as unrelated. And there are many, it's what is the green passes? Basically, if you were to get a green pass, you have to fulfill one of the following requirements. Either you're you've gotten your second shot of one of these RNA vaccines, either Pfizer or Madonna. Those are the only vaccines right now in Israel pretty much or you have to have recovered from COVID. Or you have to have a medical exemption and it's not at all All clear who they're giving these medical exemptions to and where to get them people don't know. Or you have to present a negative COVID test from the last 72 hours.

Dr. Paul  55:11  
Okay.

Joshua Gertzkow  55:12  
And to get a pass you either you have an application on your phone that's connected to the Ministry of Health Data, you know, whatever. Or you can print out your past from a website, it has a special QR code that's individual to use. So anybody wanting to check, it can just scan your QR code. They've said they've announced that the people who try to counterfeit these green passes will go to jail.

Dr. Paul  55:39  
And it'd be pretty hard to counterfeit if you're attached to a QR code that's attached to a tract test or vaccine. Exactly.

Joshua Gertzkow  55:47  
I mean, somebody maybe doesn't check the QR code, you could get by it. But otherwise, what is the green pass? Do well, so without a green pass? Okay. You are not allowed to sit indoors at restaurants or cafes,

Dr. Paul  56:02  
no way that's active right now.

Joshua Gertzkow  56:05  
That's active right now. Like if I want to go to a restaurant or inside a cafe, they're going to check if it's indoors, they're going to check my greenpath If not, businesses, so businesses are basically the police, the police have actually said they're not going to enforce this. And it comes down to like, enforcement at the city level by the municipalities, they can send out people to check, right, like the parking, you know, they check for a parking permit, they can check up or at the level of the business, the businesses are basically liable for this. So if they let somebody in and they're in, they're caught, they can be charged 5000 or 10,000 shekels which is like 1500 to $3,000.

Dr. Paul  56:52  
That's substantial. I mean, if you're a small business,

Joshua Gertzkow  56:54  
oh, yeah. And if you've been choked off from your livelihood for a year, right, no, you don't have money. But there, but but the problem is that not there's a big segment of the population that doesn't have a Green Path. So right. These businesses are, you know, are still hurting.

Dr. Paul  57:14  
Or they are the businesses actually, how can I say it abiding by this guideline? For the most part?

Joshua Gertzkow  57:22  
For the most part, yes. And the bigger the business, the more likely they are to actually abide by it. But there are there are exceptions. In general, businesses are erring on the side of caution, caution. So you can't go to restaurants or cafes, some shops and malls won't let you in. I depend there was a huge supermarket chain that announced that they weren't going to allow anybody to go shopping there if they didn't have this Green Path.

Dr. Paul  57:51  
I goodness, with the history of the people of Israel, and the Holocaust and everything that happened in our past. It just seems to be shocking that this is happening to you all.

Joshua Gertzkow  58:05  
It is shocking. It is shocking. And, you know, I think a lot of people aren't aware of this, but one of the biggest components of of, of Nazi propaganda against Jews in World War Two was that they were diseased. They were they were dis carrying and spreading diseases. Right. And so right, you know, this same type of propaganda being turned against the unvaccinated.

Dr. Paul  58:32  
Right. And you had the the numbering right of the prison camp. People sort of like this green pass is like a numbering system.

Joshua Gertzkow  58:41  
Right? If it was a yellow star, it would actually, at the very beginning, when they started giving out the vaccinations, there were some places where they would put a little sticker on your ID card, and the sticker was the yellow star I kid you not?

Dr. Paul  58:59  
I mean, it's happening here in the state. So I don't even want to ask the question, because it's the same here. Our public in general are completely blind or unaware of what's actually going on?

Joshua Gertzkow  59:10  
Well, I would say that's true of the majority of the population here is well, if you look at the number of people who have been vaccinated so far, it's about half the population, about a third of the population are too young to get the vaccine. Right, which that's about 20% of the population. So So in the first like month and a half of vaccination, there was just this huge skyrocket and people getting vaccinated and then it kind of leveled off. And, and it's it's slow going, I mean, relatively slow going. Still a lot of people getting vaccinated, but but you know, there aren't any lines and nobody's rushing out to get it really, there was a survey that somebody did, where they they found that about 20% of the population wasn't planning to get vaccinated. 30% of those said that a green pass might convince them said a little more than 10 percent of the entire population said that those incentives would not persuade them. So there's about 10% of the population that's hardcore. They're not going to get it, and another 10% that don't want to get it if they don't have to. So I know you've done a lot of research on Vaccine Injury.

Dr. Paul  1:00:16  
I wonder if you might want to cover for us a little bit of maybe start with the background of harms caused by other vaccines, and then we can perhaps get into what you're aware of happening with COVID.

Joshua Gertzkow  1:00:26  
I was just talking with a PhD, PhD student of mine, a woman in her 40s extremely, you know, energetic, vibrant. She's been in the hospital now for three weeks. She didn't feel that Well, a few days after her first vaccine, just feeling lightheaded, had like kind of blackout moments or some other issues. And then she started to feel better. She got the second vaccine and a week later, she practically fainted at work. She got extremely weak, confused, had vision problems eventually ended up in the hospital, she's she's got low blood platelet counts low, extremely low white blood cell counts, her lungs are filled with liquid. Oh, boy. doctors don't know what they don't know what's wrong with her and they're refused to consider that it might be related to the vaccine yet, you know, there have been many reports of thrombocytopenia follow these, right, these low low blood platelet counts, there's been about 1500 deaths reported in the US the vaccine adverse events reporting system bears, right the number of deaths that have been reported due to COVID injuries in the first two months. It's far more than the deaths reported for many other vaccines in a much longer over a much longer period of time, just to give one example. And it's just been completely ignored the signal. But there's a long history of vaccines shelter, you know, having been shown to be safe in phase three trials and then later withdrawn. So there's right. An example is the dankie vaccine. Another example was the first rotavirus vaccine, where they withdrew it from the market after a dozen or so cases of interoception. Right, just a few dozen cases reported not proven to be connected to the vaccine just reported, like just a just like a handful. And here we're talking about, you know, 1500 deaths being reported serious injuries, I've looked at the reports in Europe, there's like, I don't remember over 100,000 reports on the Pfizer vaccine 50,000 reports on AstraZeneca, many 1000s of reports on the maternal vaccine, many of them serious, you know, and nobody's listening, you know, it's just, it's just absurd. And so what's going on?

Dr. Paul  1:03:04  
How do you explain this?

Joshua Gertzkow  1:03:05  
People are just really, really afraid of this virus and what it can do?

Dr. Paul  1:03:10  
How do you suppose we got so afraid? How did that happen?

Joshua Gertzkow  1:03:13  
Just recently, like this week, some documents were came out of some secret documents were really were leaked, from the German Ministry of Health, okay? Where they were directing the politicians or the, you know, people working in the Ministry of Health, to try to frighten the population by emphasizing, for example, how COVID will make it impossible for you to breed. Right? It's very clear in this document that they are trying to instill fear in the population. So people would say, well, they have to do that in order to gain compliance. I'm not so sure that that that they have such noble goals in mind. There's just such a long history of, of criminality among pharmaceutical companies.

Dr. Paul  1:04:15  
So you're saying we shouldn't trust them?

Joshua Gertzkow  1:04:20  
Should we trust them? No, we shouldn't. Right. I mean, think about the this controversy with Johnson and Johnson a few years back, right. So it came out that people that Johnson and Johnson knew for decades since at least the early 1970s, that their talcum powder for babies, was contaminated with a pestis and they hid this they knew about this and they hid this from regulators and they had to pay this lawsuit they ended up having to pay hundreds of millions of got loads, which for them is just the cost of doing this. Okay. And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't big pharma doing this wasn't a corporation doing this, it was people working at an organization, right? It was company executives knew about this mine manager scientists, doctors and lawyers knew about this problem. They actively hid it from regulators, right? They allowed babies and mothers to be poisoned by asbestos. Who does that? Who does that? I'll tell you who? psychopaths do that. Now imagine if, you know, some mock monster was was to duck responsibility for their crimes, because I'm a member of a criminal organization, right? Like the Gambino crime family. Well, that's how, you know corporate law in America works. We create this legal fiction, we allow people to hide behind it to duck criminal responsibility. Um, and honestly, I don't think things can change until the laws change. And the way the way that the laws are enforced changes that the corruption is just

Dr. Paul  1:06:08  
so deep and endemic. I think you recently wrote a paper on retractions. One of the things on on against the wind on this show is we're trying to highlight research that is not reaching the public that should reach the public. And I think one of the areas of a real problem we have is that if the science is not supporting the narrative that the mainstream wants supportive, then they work real hard to retract those papers. And then we go back to Andy Wakefield's initial paper. And now there's this whole term being Wakefield ID. They're working hard, try to get rid of my paper that just got published. Do you want to make any comment about that? Yeah, well,

Joshua Gertzkow  1:06:48  
so we looked at the list of all we searched the database for papers on vaccines that had been retracted. Okay. Surprise, surprise, all of the papers we found were papers that raised concerns about the risks and safety of vaccine. And of course, they're going to be distracted, because it's misinformation. And it's bad science and this and that. But I gotta tell you, you know, a lot of the people writing these papers are top in their field, they have very established publication records. They're highly esteemed scientists. Some of them just stumbled into it, kind of by accident and doing other research. They weren't expecting to find an issue with vaccines. And then they did, right.

Dr. Paul  1:07:32  
Yeah, it's amazing. I read so many medical journals that are scientifically incredibly weak as far as being underpowered that the questions being asked are actually irrelevant. And they get published all the time, no retraction for being garbage science. Yes. And yet, what you're highlighting is very well done science getting retracted for what I mean, what reason? Do

Joshua Gertzkow  1:07:56  
you think it's hardly a conspiracy, you know, conspiracy theory to think that the pharmaceutical companies are kind of policing the journals and actively trying to get these, these papers retracted, right. All of these scientists have published many, many, many, many, many, many times, with all of these papers, somebody is writing into these journals, there's some kind of pressure being applied to them. from above, right, and we know that many of these journals, in the companies that own them have ties to the pharmaceutical industry, right? The British Medical Journal gets a lot of funding from pharmaceutical industry, you know, companies and stuff like that. They have interlocking board members. I mean, it's just pretty corrupt. Trying to suppress science is not the way to improve the public's confidence in them. If that's what you're trying to do. We need to have a clear and open scientific debate. And if you're, if you're cooking the bison, you know, slanting the field, people, people know that. Well realize that I think

Dr. Paul  1:09:02  
people are waking up to this, we need to have more debate more science, not less. It's certainly the science is never settled. It's constantly changing, because, you know, the the population we're treating is constantly changing. I mean, every time you add a new vaccine, you've changed the entire population, you got to start from ground zero, and then they don't do vaccine back studies. And they don't do long term follow up studies. They don't do prospective long term studies. Yeah, we got problems in our vaccine science. Do you have any other suggestions of resources? How can people reach you or your information? And what are your other favorite places for people to go for good information? So Josh, for sort of your final thoughts of wisdom to share with our audience, given the amazing scope of things you've been involved with as a sociologist, a criminologist and a public health person, with such a, you know, intense interest in vaccines and what's going on with COVID? What would your parting tips be for our audience as far as what they should be thinking about.

Joshua Gertzkow  1:10:04  
And in general, I think governments around the world try to influence people's behavior to control people through fear and, and hatred, hatred towards one another. Yeah. And so my parting advice would be whenever somebody in the media or the government or wherever is trying to either make you feel afraid, or make you feel hatred, or anger and other people

just ignore it.

Dr. Paul  1:10:39  
Excellent.

Joshua Gertzkow  1:10:39  
I do not whenever people tell me to be afraid or day, I just say no, I refuse. I refuse. Wonderful.

Dr. Paul  1:10:47  
Fear is the biggest problem we face today. It is driving all of us most people to make decisions that are really against their best interests. So and so you have to turn off the television, which is just fear mongering on a 24 seven basis, and walk out in nature get out in the sunshine. There's so many gems in this interview. Josh, thank you so much for being on this show with me. And thank you for having me. Absolutely. And I hope we can do this again sometime. Me too.

Welcome, folks to our segment of in the news. Welcome Bernadette Pajer. You are the Public Policy Director of informed choice Washington and the host of an informed life radio, along with so many other great things you're doing. Thanks for taking us through what's new in the news that people might not be hearing on mainstream media. So I understand you have a video that you want to share with us that comes from the CDC.

Bernadette Pajer  1:11:48  
Yesterday, we in the United States surpassed 30 million cases of COVID-19. CDC, his most recent data show, that's the seven day average of new cases is slightly less than 60,000 cases per day. This is a 10% increase compared to the prior seven day period. hospitalizations have also increased the most recent seven day average about 48. Admission paid 4800 admissions per day is up from 4600 admissions per day in the prior seven day period. And deaths, which typically live behind cases and hospitalizations have now started to rise now is one of those times when I have to share the truth. And I have to hope and trust, who will listen. I'm going to pause here, I'm gonna lose the script. And I'm going to reflect on the recurring feeling I have of impending doom, we have so much to look forward to so much promise and potential of where we are, and so much reason for help. So right now I'm scared. I know what it's like as a physician to stand in that patient room down, loved, masked, shielded, and to be the last person to touch someone else's loved one because there are a lot one couldn't be there. And I know what it's like to pull up to your hospital every day and see the extra morgue sitting outside we have come such a long way three historic scientific breakthrough vaccines, and we are rolling them out. So very fast. I so badly want to be done. I know you all so badly want to be done. We're just almost there, but not quite yet. And so I'm asking you to just hold on a little longer to get vaccinated when you can. So that all of those people that we all love will still be here when this pandemic and yeah, I'm shaking my head Dr. Pol, this woman does not believe what she is saying this, that was the funniest thing I have ever seen. I'm so I'm gonna have to push back with you here. Let's have a discussion.

Dr. Paul  1:13:38  
Let's have a discussion. her intention, however, was to create fear

Bernadette Pajer  1:13:42  
to create fear. And since when do we have people in positions of authority that we look to for guidance, intentionally put fear in us and say Doom, right this and she said, I'm going off script as their eyes kept darting down and reading the script, right? That was a sales pitch for three dangerous products. And I do $1.5 billion aimed at

Dr. Paul  1:14:11  
this. So the narrative you just heard is not reality boots on the ground narrative. Now some of you have lost a loved one. And some of you have lost a loved one to COVID. Many of you have lost loved ones. They were diagnosed with a positive COVID. But you also knew that your loved one was suffering from other conditions that likely were the real cause of death. They also had a positive test which could have been real, but could have been a false positive. I think it's so important folks, that you basically turn off the news because you're not getting actual valuable information. You're getting fearmongering

Bernadette Pajer  1:14:54  
Did you hear her say? ventilators? We know that that ventilating A critically ill patient is the absolute wrong thing to do. It's a death sentence. Right? Why is the head of the CDC still ringing the ventilator? Right Bell eight you know ah spot ivermectin nutrient treatments, early ambulatory treatments. We've got this the very fact that she, as the head of this is still pushing a fatal treatment on the American public. That's a crime against humanity. And you can see why I'm fired up.

Dr. Paul  1:15:28  
I understand you have some information about deaths and illness in your state of Washington in folks who are fully vaccinated.

Bernadette Pajer  1:15:36  
Yes. So at least that we know of 102 people who are fully vaccinated had two doses of one of the two dose vaccines, and it's been at least two weeks post that second dose have been diagnosed with covid 19. Eight of them have been hospitalized and two have died. And, and but they are telling us, oh, this was expected. This happens with all vaccines. That's, that's what their press release says that we expect this with all vaccination. Dr. Paul, have you ever heard them admit that you still get this many cases, this many hospitalizations, and this many in two deaths?

Dr. Paul  1:16:16  
You know, your little state of Washington, and just so so what are the latest bears information? As far as you know, the infant information about side effects from the vaccine?

Bernadette Pajer  1:16:29  
Yeah, you know, as we know that this is a passive reporting system. And even though doctors by law are required to report in, many are not doing it, we're hearing so many stories of people saying their doctors or nurses don't still don't know about it, or they're refusing to report. Individuals can report also. So so far we've got as of March 19 44,606, adverse events reported to this passive system 4450 hospitalizations, 7485 visits to Urgent Care 6759 visits to their own doctor's office 2050 deaths reported 76 miscarriages, but they're now just now pushing it on to pregnant women, which is terrifying. You know, it just goes on and on. And we're beginning to have now independent researchers write and publish about the mechanisms of injury, that explain how these adverse reactions and deaths are being caused from these products.

Dr. Paul  1:17:34  
Yeah, I think the tragic thing here is this is an experimental vaccine, it was rushed to market. And sadly, they're already stopping any kind of long term surveillance. So we just have this passive surveillance system that we know is woefully inadequate. So there are so many people suffering serious side effects, if not death, as you reported, and it's just sort of ignored and push on with the message of you need to vaccinate. So in this show, you've already heard Josh talk about the passport, the green passport in Israel. And I was thinking this is surely coming to the United States. That's just those of us who are, you know, aware of what's going on? expected this, and I think you have a report about a passport here in the USA.

Bernadette Pajer  1:18:24  
Oh, yeah. So they've already rolled one out in New York. And the way they are getting away with doing this because it's unconstitutional violates so many different laws, HIPPA laws, regulations, it's just crazy, is it's coming through private industry, private industries, creating the apps and private businesses are adopting them as the policy to enter their place of, you know, I'm sure all of this needs to be challenged, but it's being supported by the government. It's, you know, it's it's, it's dirty trickery. The way all of this has been is they know, it's like with masks, we know that the masks have been placeholders for vaccines, they over the past year. And continuing. They got everybody used to you can't do this, this, this or this unless you're wearing your mask. And now it's going to be substituted without showing your vaccine pass. So it's rolling out in New York City. There was an article in the Seattle Times today that that just said it's inevitable. And you know, everybody just get ready for it, you know, as if it's going to be a good thing. Every single newspaper is talking about it. One was really interesting that the headline was the argument against vaccine passports is growing. What they're really saying is until everybody can get the vaccine until they can actually prove it's reducing transmission. Maybe we should hold off. Right? It wasn't that it is the most unethical thing

Dr. Paul  1:19:51  
ever. Wow, this This reminds me I grew up in southern Africa I was in Rhodesia went to high school in Swaziland and during the time of apartheid tide and even in Rhodesia, but specifically apartheid in South Africa. The National population, the African population had to carry papers to move about. They This is how they kept people in what they would call townships. Basically, you could not even go to certain parts of the country, the cities, of course stores and venues without your papers. And this feels so much like that. It is total control of the population. coersion mean, informed consent, which is what we are all about on this show goes out the window, when you start requiring something like a passport to prove vaccination, then you can do something, this is just horrendous, horrifying,

Bernadette Pajer  1:20:47  
it's disguised as public health, right, and the censorship that we can't begin pre COVID had everything in place. In order for those who are putting out the actual facts of SARS Coby to have infection, susceptibility and treatments, everything had was effectively in place to silence that. So the voice is going forward. It is it's none of it is based on fact, it's just it's a we just we have to hit the ground. We have to all of us boots on the ground, get out there and door to door educate our neighbors, and small businesses and and we have to stand together. Jeremy Hammond, Jeremy r hammond.com. wrote about you recently, he wrote a very lengthy expose a on who Dr. Paul is.

Dr. Paul  1:21:40  
And I was over 100 pages.

Bernadette Pajer  1:21:43  
It's It's so wonderful, I thought I knew you. And yet going through this journey that he takes from who you were, as a child always standing up for what was right, you know, from your your beginnings in Africa, coming back to the United States, and then what you're experiencing now, you know, all of that is in there. So I highly recommend viewers to go to Jeremy R. Hammond comm read in depth about this beautiful man, Dr. Paul, what he stands for, and how he's a leader in what we all need to do, and share the heck out of that

Dr. Paul  1:22:18  
bear that I have to have to pivot here. I merely followed the principle of the golden rule Do unto others as you would do unto yourself. And it's the parents who educated me over my career, it's, you know, paying attention to what they were telling me it's paying attention to kids who suffered greatly, you know, sliding into severe autism time after time again, and just not ignoring that but listening and paying attention. And then finally, you know, doing some real data mining and in the data that was at in my practice, and then of course, we got that published, so that the world could see that there is something going on here with Vaccine Injury and this is what parents have been telling us all along. And doctors particularly but even most people just won't believe it because we're so indoctrinated and overwhelmed with the vaccines are safe narrative.

Bernadette Pajer  1:23:15  
They've been chipping away at our freedom about the truth and ignoring the harm until we've been backed into a corner. And yet our movement has been growing anyway medical freedom and the truth in the corporate capture of public health that CDC is phony tears and and fake pitch to sell investigational products that are liability free. is you know, that's gonna wake people up all of this is but we have to stay strong. Dr. Paul, we have to stay strong and you listened. You know, you weren't, you know, it's not like you always knew when you were you were perfect along the way you are humble enough to listen and realize that, you know, you were you were wrong. You were taught to be wrong, but humble enough to make the change. And for that, I totally admire you.

Dr. Paul  1:24:04  
Well, thank you, Bernadette. You know, for each one of you listening to this, if you're still with us, I know if getting towards the end of the show. We all take a journey of awakening to what is really going on. And you have to sort of dig deep into your soul into your spirit into your intuition. Call it a gut feeling whatever it is, parents you have it. Everybody has it. And and when things just aren't kind of making sense. I'd call that a clue. Pay attention to that. Do you have any closing thoughts Bernadette that you'd like to share with our audience? Yes, I

Bernadette Pajer  1:24:36  
do. I want to leave people with two action. things they can do and you can provide the links there. So stand for health freedom.com stand for health freedom, calm has got a great action campaign going to get some congressional investigation going against the CDC and how they're behaving all along the way.

Dr. Paul  1:24:56  
Thank you for that. You know, we are the control group we shared on a previous The data from the control group, which was the unvaccinated individuals in our country, and how incredibly healthy they were in comparison to those who are vaccinated, the control group will be eliminated if we roll up our sleeves without consideration for any sort of long term data and get this COVID vaccine. I'm not against vaccines, I'm not against the COVID vaccines per se. But at this point in time, we don't have enough data to say that it's safe. In fact, we have enough data to really raise our eyebrows and go this does not feel like a safe vaccine. This feels like a mistake and the interests that are pushing it forward. Well, you know, there's billions and billions of dollars invested too big to fail is what you might say, right? But no, no, you yourself, you're the only person that can protect yourself from making a decision that you cannot undo the unfortunate thing about messenger RNA technology, but vaccines in general is once in your body, you can't take it out. So then you're left with the repercussions especially when it becomes auto immune. doctors who take care of patients know that treating autoimmune conditions is extremely difficult, because it's your own immune system that's attacking your body. So generally what doctors do is they prescribe a potent immunosuppressant the number one moneymaker in the world, certainly in the United States are immunosuppressants. Once your immune system is suppressed, you're at risk for cancer and infections, takes you to the number two moneymaker, the cancer drugs. And then what started it all to begin with, in large part other than big toxins and big agriculture, it's the vaccines. So it's a vicious cycle, creating illness and wreckage across the landscape that keeps us beholden to the almighty pharma. And I'm not anti science, I'm not anti pharma, for that matter. Just do good science. So thank you for your attention. And we'll see you next week. I'm Dr. Paul.

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