Show 22: Transcript
Dr. Paul 0:00
Dr. Pol here welcome to another episode of against the wind doctors in science under fire. Today's episode you're going to hear my interview with one of my heroes Dr. Jim Meaghan this man was at West Point Military Academy. Oklahoma Medical School was the associate editor of ocular immunology and inflammation he's had over a decade in functional medicine, he has treated over 1000 COVID patients. He's a warrior from the battlefield and now a warrior in the COVID crisis. And we are going to talk about masks. We're going to talk about the COVID-19 vaccines, we're going to talk about Tony Fauci. And the gain of function research that he was involved with way back when, and we're going to talk about vaccine injuries. I then share with you an interview that's going to touch you to the core touch you in your heart, just now interviewing a young man, well, maybe not super young, but he's a whole lot younger than I am. physician's assistant, PA, Scott Miller, he has a huge practice in Vancouver battleground area here in southern Washington, he has treated 1400 1400 COVID patients, and just last night, gets a letter from the medical board, that he cannot practice medicine any longer, because he is a threat to public health. Here's a man who is literally running into burning buildings, saving lives, keeping people out of the hospital, and has saved over 1300 1398 patients. A true hero sidelined, you're going to hear that story. Do not miss this show, watch it all the way through enjoy the show. I'm Dr. Paul.
Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. My topic for today is fear. Now fear is something that can devastate you, it can incapacitate you, it can just stop you dead in your tracks. You don't even know which way to turn what to do. And you become so immobilized that you just look for any sort of relief from that fear. And I have a feeling that many of us have undergone this fear story, this past 18 months with what's happened with COVID-19. Maybe you're still afraid. What I wanted to share with you today is that there's a difference between having concern or being so fearful and worried that you're anxious out of your mind, or so anxious that you're probably harming your own immune system. And you're maybe no longer able to really think clearly and process information in a way that's truly healthy and helpful to you. So let's be concerned about what's going on with regards to COVID-19 What's going on with regards to our loved ones, and everything that's going on in our world. But let's not be fearful. Well, we'll talk to Paul, how do I do that? My mom is in an institution where everyone's vaccinated, no visitors are allowed in if they're not vaccinated, everybody's wearing masks and social distancing. I was driving to work this past week and past a group of schoolchildren. They were about 567 age group, all wearing masks socially distance by six feet. And looking in the eyes of some of these kids. And you could just see the lights were gone. And then I saw this the in the eyes of this other little kid he was like he was there. He was almost like help it. It just felt I'm a pediatrician, I have children. It just feels so wrong. I mean for kids to be raised, covered in masks. They're not expressing their emotions. And this is all over a virus, the SARS cov two virus that is virtually harmless to children. Now don't get me wrong. If you are high risk and you're in your late 80s 90s 100 years old and you get this virus, it can be deadly, although even for you armed with the right information of how to boost your immune system. It's actually not that scary, even for the highest risk people. So yes, we're having reports of vaccine injury exceeding 16,000 in the various vaccine adverse events reporting system. We also have countries around the world that are doing amazingly well. In fact, those countries that are less vaccinating now having better and better results. We're having individuals recover from COVID at lightning speed by instituting some of the treatments that are now available that we talk about in this show all the time. So I'm bringing you really a message of hope that you don't need to live in fear. Sure, be concerned. be discerning. Inform yourself, information, empowered with the right knowledge of what to do, and what you don't need to be afraid of, is absolutely free. I travel around the country and rub elbows with people we hug, we don't wear masks, and we are all doing just fine. Thank you. I'm over 60 years old, I am not vaccinated, and I am not fearful. How could that be? If you are optimizing your immune system with healthy whole foods, you've got an optimal vitamin D by supplementing extra vitamin D. And you're reducing fear you're reducing stress you're living healthfully sleeping well, getting outside getting sunshine, living in community with people who love you, hugging people taking your mask off every chance you get if you're in one of those situations, like I'm in a state that has a lot of masking mandates, and so we wear them in certain situations just out of respect for those who are so fearful. But really, you can have an amazing life going forward. Let's put fear aside, embrace faith and love and link arms with our fellow human beings who are like minded. I'm Dr. Paul.
Welcome Dr. Jim Meaghan You are such a dear friend of mine, we've spoken together at a number of conferences around the country who did serve in the military didn't I did,
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 6:45
yeah, I went to medical school in Oklahoma, but I did my residency training at Washington University in St. Louis, and, and then a, you know, Chief, resident ophthalmology department at john cochran VA. Yeah, great, great medical school, great training. Very good
Dr. Paul 7:05
to be to be a chief resident, you are at the top of your class, that is not an easy position to obtain. This man is brilliant. You've now in addition to having been an associate editor of ocular immunology, and inflammation, a very important magazine and in your world at that time, you're now have over a decade in functional medicine and immunology, and you've really dedicated the past couple years to helping people with COVID. So I know having been a warrior on the battlefield, you're now a warrior on the battlefield that we're all facing here in this country and in this world.
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 7:37
Yeah, same battlefield. That by the way, I'm thank you for all that you honor me, greatly. But but you know, I want to honor you for a little bit because you've been a hero of mine. You know, I always say at some of the bravest people in medicine or pediatricians that wake up and fight against many of the causes that you've been fighting against for so long. And so I honor you, Paul Thomas, and you are a dear friend, because you have an amazing heart.
Dr. Paul 8:02
Well, thank you, Jim. And I admire you too, you have the courage to tackle a very, very important and difficult situation for many, many people. And it's not without risk. And what you do is not without risk, either. And so the brave physicians who stepped forward and are willing to take a chance and do the right thing. You're right at the top of my list of heroes. You have read on your website and emergency declaration. Are you willing to tell the world what that is?
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 8:32
Well, that emergency declaration really came out as we were starting to see and I was increasingly seeing patients being injured by these COVID-19 vaccines that and it was it was in a younger population. In fact, a lot of college age individuals were being coerced and forced by their universities to get vaccinated and shortly within you know, 72 hours of vaccination, they start developing you know, vasculitis, all kinds of inflammatory path ologies clot formation. Research was starting to demonstrate that the spike protein by itself and even just the subunit they asked one subunit of that spike protein which was being which our cells were being reprogrammed to produce the mRNA vaccines are not really a vaccine. That's a misnomer. It's a miss label to take advantage of the liability immunity that many vaccines have been granted for the since 1986. And children's vaccines. But certainly in the COVID-19 vaccines, they got a blank check to experiment on the population with untested, unsafe, potentially dangerous vaccines that we had no long term data on. And their independent research scientists were showing that these five proteins will work in and of themselves capable of binding to the h2 receptors and stimulating the same path ology that the virus in its entirety would be able to induce. So we were we were programming people cells in to produce the spike proteins, we were being told, Hey, don't worry about it, it'll stay in the arm, it will, you know, the the cells will produce it for a short period of time, there'll be translocated to the MHC receptor and presented by MHC major histocompatibility complexes, where the immune cells would come trolling by see it and create antibodies. And, well, you know, we'll have a great vaccine. Well, all of those lies were, you know, being demonstrated to be untrue to be lies, as as science was showing, man, these, these spike proteins, when you when you take these spike proteins, and you inject them into animals, you get a disease process that looks exactly like an infection by COVID-19, you get these, these, you get these spike proteins, opening up the brain barrier, the blood brain barrier, which is a really important barrier that protects the brain from environmental toxins and inflammatory damage. So you had a two hit hypothesis here that I was, you know, putting together and trying to warn everybody that had signed up for my newsletter, and I put it on social media, which got me banned for from you know, kicked off Twitter, kicked off Facebook, when I you know, when I, when I present the peer reviewed science, this is what happens. But I was putting together the situation and I wasn't alone. There were other doctors that were doing it and I think it was other doctors that that were putting the pieces together at the same time. So I stand on the shoulders of giants, but the that the ability of this spike protein to bind to the h2 receptors to create that inflammatory cascade to create a clotting disorder, to also open up the blood brain barrier and introduce these, this inflammatory damage to the brain, which we were I had several patients, I think I had four at the time, that after vaccination, they had display, disabling headaches for one was I'll never forget 43 year old nurse, but she won't forget her because she's still a patient. 43 year old nurse gets vaccinated. And with a Maderna vaccine. first dose was bad, but she was being coerced by our hospital gets a second dose. And after the second dose, the headaches became unrelenting. And it's been now 13 weeks of disabling headaches she's completely disabled, has gone through, you know, every imaging study that you can get trying to and you know, trying to uncover what's going on what's causing these disabling but really, what she will report is the doctors are trying to find they're trying to find everything. But the real cause the cause was a vaccine. It's so clear. And and the back combination of those two, emergency declared clinical studies that I reported on are exactly what's happening in a large percentage of the population. Paul, and I'm very concerned about it.
Dr. Paul 13:14
Yeah, no, I share your concern. So in a couple sentences, what do you tell families about giving this vaccine to their children or taking it when you're pregnant? Oh, yeah.
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 13:24
Well, children in particular, it's, it's, we must not vaccinate children that are statistically zero risk of dying from COVID-19. You know, there's been, what is it about? It's less than 300 children in the United States that have died of COVID-19 all of those based on a Johns Hopkins analysis by Marty Makary, of Johns Hopkins 45,000 children studied that had got COVID-19 None of them died of COVID 19. He also analyze the 251 some odd children that had reported have died of COVID-19 in the United States, and all of them 100% had severe, severe, significant immunosuppressive disease of one form or another leukemias, answerss. Yeah. So they're very, you know, very susceptible to any pathogen on the planet. So you have a you have a population that is statistically zero risk of dying of COVID-19. And then we're going to vaccinate them with a an experimental technology that still is still to this day, only under experimental use authorization. Comorbidity, the the FDA approved version is not being produced yet it has not been deployed. So they're all under experimental use. And you and I both know, vaccines take a long time to manifest their long term adverse effects. You don't have that long you can warp speed, a lot of things and cut a lot of shortcuts but one thing you cannot shortcut is you cannot short Cut the time it takes for these immune dysregulated or altering vaccines to manifest the unexpected consequences of their, their experimental nature.
Dr. Paul 15:13
I mean, so I have 10,000 patients approximately under my care with my team here at integrated pediatrics. I have not been giving the vaccine but some kids have slipped off and gotten it. If they're over 12 years of age, they can go to a pharmacy and just get it. So out of those 10,000 patients, I haven't had a single patient end up in the ER or the hospital with COVID. I have had one child hospitalized, guess what, it was one of those kids who got the vaccine and they were hospitalized for myocarditis. Right? And it absolutely you're you're spot on it makes zero scientific sense. It's insanity to be vaccinating children. And yet they're they're rolling this out as if it's a wonderful thing. Oh, look, it's now being approved down to age five, potentially. And yeah. What about pregnancy?
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 16:01
Oh, yeah, I mean, as well. The first thing is, we should be making policy and guiding you know, recommendations for any medical intervention based on scientific research to pregnant women were not a part of the preclinical trials that zero. The you know, we have a number of studies now that have been have shown a significant risk of miscarriage, the number of miscarriages in the open bears or the veirs vaccine adverse event reporting system are very concerning. No, I would not recommend this vaccine for pregnant women. No, well, no how no way not at Not a chance. We don't have the data on it. And there's too much evidence that that spike protein, you know, the placenta is another h2 receptor rich environment. There's other mechanisms. Why, as to why this, this vaccine, the spike proteins being manufactured by yourselves could damage the fetus damage the placenta. In fact, Paul, I'll tell you that I've reviewed a couple of cases, pathology reports from a miscarriage. And I mean, I'm traumatized by what I read in the study in the pictures that I saw, the fetus was rendered a bloody mess split in half malformation and the neural tube. It's it's we can't we simply cannot be vaccinating pregnant women.
Dr. Paul 17:28
I want to pivot to masks. I was on your website. And I saw you have I think it's a 52 page document on masks. You've got to be the one of the world's leading experts on masks whether or not they work. Give us the lowdown on masks. Yeah,
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 17:42
maths don't work, Paul there. We have 100 years of science that has clearly said maths don't work. They're ineffective. They're unnecessary. You know, we don't have asymptomatic transmission that's been thoroughly debunked by number of studies. Now that was one of the pretenses for wearing a mask. You know, we've never This is the first experiment in the history of medicine where we've asked healthy people to wear masks. And the reason that we've never done it before is because we've actually have a huge body of science that says, well, when we've done high level evidence, randomized control trials and meta analyses of multiple randomized control trials, we have always found that, that small respiratory viruses, like influenza are not mitigated by the mask. But wearers are often harmed by the wearing of it, you know. So, in medicine, we use this hierarchy of medical evidence. At the top of the pyramid, are the meta analysis and meta analyses of multiple randomized controlled trials. And randomized controlled trials is here. So this is multiple randomized controlled trials. So this stuff is policy gray. This is this is we can make decisions with you know, I did my analysis, you can find on my website, I did a big analysis 52 Semi pages of all of the high level sciences say maths are ineffective, unnecessary and harmful. And I debunked the low level studies that are our CDC have been using to put our children in mass put the population in masks. And, and and I think that the science is overwhelming. And I don't think that our public health agencies are incompetent. I really, you know, come to the conclusion. They're malevolent that they are literally forcing upon and perpetrating on the population, a intervention that they know doesn't work. We have, you know, we have randomized controlled trials in the Netherlands that show that maths don't work in a population of 6000 people, half wear masks, Half Dome month later, they both got infected at statistically the same rate. So the first premise I would, I would present to your listeners is you There's not much that we can do to mitigate viral transmission in the population, the virus does what the virus is going to do. You can lock down all you want, you can mask all you want this, the infectious disease curves all over the world have stayed pretty consistent, you know, it rises, it falls, and it has nothing to do with maths and lockdowns, and, and even vaccines. So when you you know, what the CDC likes to do is they like to do a study where they start here, and they end here. And they they they're in the natural decline, the virus is doing what is going to naturally do. But they'll they'll create a study that captures a window I call it the fallacy of the time window. And they'll they'll try to contrive the narrative that says see mass did that it's kind of like claiming that you're, you're riding a bike down a hill, and you want to you want to claim that and you put a mask on as you're going down that hill. And you want to claim that the mask is why you're gaining speed as you're going downhill. You're not controlling for gravity, it's not the mask, rational ground has done a big analysis where they've looked at the infectious disease curves throughout the, throughout the world, different states, different countries. And they mapped out where you know, the various interventions like lockdowns or masks were started. And it doesn't change anything many. In fact, often what you'll see is when you have these little mask hardmask interventions, let's look at California, when they the My belief is that mass are increasing disease severity severity in the population. If you think about the nature of viral replication in the lungs, how our lungs are an excretory organ system,
let me take the screenshare off here. But if you think about the danger of putting a barrier over your respirations, when your lungs are trying to remove those, those viral particles, if you are if you put a mask over your mouth, when you're infected with COVID-19, you are going to make the disease much more severe and maybe even lethal because you are increasing viral load. Viral load is a consistent principle of infectious disease virology throughout time, the more viral particles that are have access to your tissues, the more severe the disease will be even a healthy healthy individual can have their immune system overwhelmed by a re breathing those viral particles that are being caught on the inside of the mask. Think
Dr. Paul 22:44
about this, there are states that have no mask mandates where there are stadiums full of spectators for you know, professional sports, for example. And then there are other states where it's it's all you're all masked up, and there's really no no discernible difference in the outcomes. So that should tell you something just use your little common sense meter. I'm gonna have you touch on one more controversial topic. It shouldn't be controversial. I think we know enough now. But but this one's always seems to be controversial. Our dear Tony Fauci and the US funded gain of function research. I know you have some thoughts about this. Most people haven't looked into it really. They just sort of take the sound bites. Oh, that's the conspiracy theory or whatever. Can you shed some light on this?
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 23:33
Yeah, absolutely. I've done a great deal of research on this issue. You know, Anthony Fauci funded the gain of function research and Wuhan, China, together with Ralph Barrick. Many, we have many US citizens agents of the United States government that had been participating in funding, gain and function research in China because most of the world agreed in 2014, that manipulating the viruses, animal viruses, bat viruses, manipulating them and inducing changes gene splicing and introducing elements into a Coronavirus, like the fear and cleavage domain that was inserted into the genomic structure of the beta Coronavirus family that was infecting bats. That's what they did in Wuhan, China, that if we do that kind of thing, we could create a lethal virus that could decimate the human population, that the risk of doing that kind of research on it, you know, in the pretense is we want to kind of create these viruses so we can create a vaccine are we going to have some kind of a plan should this emerge naturally in the in the environment? So we, we, you know, they're trying to kind of get ahead of nature. Well, don't try to get ahead of nature. Don't you know, don't create these human engineered lethal virus And the world agreed on that in 2014. But China didn't. They weren't a part of those accords and those agreements. And what it was we were doing that gain of function research here in the United States in North Carolina, under the the research direction of Ralph Beric. And when that when that the the legislation in the agreement in the treaty to not do gain of function research Hit, hit ground here in the United States, what Fauci and Beric and others did is they exported it to China and continued the illegal research there. And what emerged from that laboratory, whether, you know, by accident or otherwise, is the virus that we are suffering with today. So we have absolute, and there's absolute evidence of it, you know, that there's a patent trail, I mean, there's a patent trail, that's exactly right. People need to understand that they were patenting these viruses, you know, years before they ever emerged here. The fact that Maderna, within 48 hours of the identification of the gene sequence in China being transmitted to the United States had a vaccine ready. That's not possible, ladies and gentlemen, that's not possible. So do really do some research, because what you're hearing from the mainstream media and from, you know, people like Fauci, I mean, the fact that we are taking direction from the guy that funded the research, participated in it and and then tried to cover it up. That's the other thing the Fauci email, dumps the Freedom of Information, revealing an X exposing Dr. Fauci these email attempts to cover up the the public awareness of this that that we found it all out. That guy, he's a criminal, he should be behind bars, he should not be giving us advice. He's been giving us the wrong advice throughout this pandemic. They're serving far they're serving corporations, they're not serving public interest.
Dr. Paul 26:59
Yeah, no, absolutely. How do we help our loved ones, the American citizens, the citizens of the world? Who are I think, confused about what's going on? Because they're mostly listening to sound bites on news? Yeah. How do we break through that divide that's created between people such as yourself, and I, who really have the science available to us, and people who are listening to sound bites as if they are truth,
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 27:28
we're at a very dangerous time in history, Paul, where pseudoscience and fraud are being perpetrated on the population. It's a time of, you know, psychological warfare on the on the human population, where they're not telling you just how many people are dying. They're even looking at the small fraction of those that are dying, that is captured by the vaccine adverse event reporting system. There's, and they're trying to say all but that's not a reliable system. That's the but that is the the system that was created by legislation, and it shows over 16,000 deaths. And that's, that's 1%. That's 1%. Probably, of all the deaths that are are happening out there. And the work of Dr. Jessica Rose and Steve Kirsch say it's at least 200,000 deaths. And the mainstream media and the foul cheese and the CDC and the NIH, they're trying to sweep those deaths under the rug, but they're out there, and your friends and family are experiencing them. And if you're trying to break through on someone say, this could have been you, this could have been your child, this could have been your daughter, this could have been your father, you know, that's the only thing that I think will make a difference is these are experimental vaccines. It'll be a decade before we know how severe the adverse reactions are going to be. It's going to be years before we determine that, you know, we might lose 10% of the population to antibody dependent enhancements, something that was never figured out when we tried to and tried and failed to create vaccines for SARS, cov. One and merge. We haven't figured this stuff out, folks, and they're lying to us so much. You have a duty.
Dr. Paul 29:09
Yeah. So what do you have to pivot a little bit from that one last thought I had a question for you. What do you say to the person that, you know, they sort of got pressured into getting the vaccine, right, they were going to lose their job? Or what's happening with teenagers? Is this peer pressure? I mean, it's peer pressure. I mean, you've already taken one or two of the jabs. How, how do you help them sort of come to terms with that and maybe still be open to thinking differently going forward?
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 29:39
Yeah, well I think the most important thing is you know, you love them. You got to love everybody. You got to love them anyway and say, Look, I know you got pressured the coercion, the psychological warfare is powerful. But now here's what we got to do your you need to learn that we've always had safe and effective treatments and prevented us for this disease. I've treated over 4000 patients for COVID-19 You know, vitamin D, vitamin C zinc courses and ivermectin, hydroxy, Chloroquine. Buddhists denied fluvoxamine. We have a real arm armamentarium of treatments that could have been used and could have been far safer. You know, ivermectin is not just a horse dewormer. That's, again, the false narrative being tried, you know, trying to prevent public awareness of something that could prevent an even treat COVID-19. But because it's such a threat to the vaccine business model, they don't want you to know about it. But ladies and gentlemen, it is what I would take, if I hadn't already had a day and a half mile course of COVID-19. Early in the pandemic, because I was licking the doorknobs of every Walmart and Oklahoma trying to get the darn thing. I trust my immune system, I knew I would do fine with it, I knew how to treat it. So it's what I would take. It's in my medicine cabinet right now. It's not a horse dewormer it's a Nobel Prize winning therapeutic that blocks the SARS cov two virus from binding to the h2 receptor and about 16 other mechanisms of action, when we can protect those people that have been vaccinated from the possibility of antibody dependent enhancement or guess what, Paul, the vaccines aren't preventing infection and transmission. So we can also protect them from that possibility. Because I mean, the breakthrough cases are ridiculous. I mean, there there's the breakthrough cases are everywhere in the world. Most of the vaccinated most of the cases most of the hospitalizations in Israel. Now, in a heavily vaccinated population. I get it. So it's, you know, it's a proportion issue. But most of the, the hospitalizations and deaths in Israel right now are in fully vaccinated three, sometimes even four vaccines delivered and they're dying of an infection from SARS. cov. Two anyway.
Dr. Paul 31:58
Wow. I know I'm supposed to let you go. But I got one more question. Now. I'm here as long as you need me, brother. I'm talking to a guy folks. We are listening to a man who has treated 4000 patients for COVID How many of your patients have ended up in the hospital how many have died?
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 32:13
None have died. All of my patients have come to me early enough. Now I have I have helped I've, I've helped a lot that were in the hospital too. And everything was failing. And I give you a perfect example. 66 year old male has a brain tumor. He's on a very powerful immunosuppressant. He gets COVID-19 spends 14 days in the hospital gets two courses or M designare. Which doesn't work. So dangerous medication. We had it we eventually got him off isolation. The family started sneaking ivermectin up to this young to this gentleman. And and three days after starting ivermectin, he came off of high flow oxygen. The family was working hard to keep him from going to ventilator. He was at 95% High Flow heated oxygen by nasal cannula. 95% Oxygen, 95 liters per minute, Paul. Wow. Three days later, he walks out of the hospital after starting ivermectin. Now, that's anecdotal. But listen, I've got about 22 of those kinds of stories. Yeah. People
Dr. Paul 33:22
like you who are treating appropriately catching it early. But even if you're called into 911 rescue somebody that's in trouble. Yep. This is the story. I'm hearing folks. This is not a fatal disease when it's managed. If it's managed early and properly, it's no big deal at all.
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 33:39
But it's being mismanaged in hospitals ladies and gentlemen, it's being mismanaged. remdesivir is a failed antiviral should never have been used doesn't have the clinical science to support its use. In fact, the most recent studies show that not only does it not reduce mortality and increases duration of hospitalization, it remdesivir Doesn't work and Mnemic levels of steroids steroids work, but they're giving too low a dose of dexamethasone to alleviate the the powerful cytokine storms, they need higher doses, and they really need a better steroid like methylprednisolone to alleviate that, that cytokine storm, and they definitely do not need mechanical ventilation. Mechanical ventilation just causes an ischemic Reaper, Reaper fusion injury it increases when you start pushing high pressures of oxygen into those lungs that are most of the lung has been compromised because of microvascular clots. What it does is induces a bunch of free radical damage and we're just mistreating it in hospitals. And the sad part of this is I think some of it has to do with the incentives. You know that that they're still hospitals are still being awarded and $39,000 bonus for every patient that goes to mechanical ventilator. And I you know, it's like Charles Munger said, famous economists show me an incentive. And I'll show you an outcome. I don't know why physicians have turned off their critical thinking skills in hospitals. And they're just using this cookbook medicine approach of remdesivir, anemic doses of steroids, and mechanical ventilation. I know it makes them a lot of money, but it's not saving lives.
Dr. Paul 35:19
Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you for the work you're doing, folks. If you, I know you're too busy to take on more patients. But if people needed to reach out and find you, how do they find you, Jim?
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 35:30
Yeah, you can go to www.me Han md.com. That's MEAJN md.com. And listen, I'll just work longer and harder to take care of the patients that need to be taken care of, because that's my calling. That's my duty. And I've taken a couple of lows in my lifetime. And one of them is do no harm. It's hard for me to turn a patient away if they need help. I'll just go without sleep. I'll sleep tomorrow the weekend. I'll catch up at some point, but I'll get him taken care of or I'll help them find somebody that will. And there's a lot of us out here that are treating COVID-19 it is treatable. There is hope. And we should always have hope if we don't have hope that you can't heal.
Dr. Paul 36:11
Yep. Yeah. God bless you, Dr. Jimmy Han, what a blessing you are to this world. You have a new our blessing to week. I look forward to talking to you again soon.
Dr. Jim Meehan, MD 36:21
I look forward to it to my brother, God bless you.
Dr. Paul 36:23
God bless you.
Dr. Paul here, welcome to against the wind, I am interviewing pa Scott Miller. And you, my friend have a story. So we just met, I just got this message from you. And what happened?
Scott Miller, PA-C 36:46
Well, I just got a message from the medical board that my license was suspended. I'm no longer allowed to practice medicine in the state of Washington. Because I have been deemed to be a clear and present danger to my patient base and to the community at large. Because of my. Or early on during this pandemic, I decided that I would, I guess, Buck, the trend of the CDC saying that there are no treatments, just go home until you're so sick, that you end up in the hospital, and then you're left to whatever the hospital treatments are. And so,
Dr. Paul 37:25
so you've been treating COVID I have how many patients do you think you've treated
Unknown Speaker 37:30
adult? About 1400 1400
Dr. Paul 37:32
You've been using a protocol or I wouldn't even want to call it a protocol you've been learning as you go with the other organizations that are working like this. Right? Correct. And what are some of the key treatments that you found have been helpful? Because you've helped almost 1400 adults? I think you treated 100 year old person. And they're doing fine.
Scott Miller, PA-C 37:56
So you know, the biggest thing was my message was prophylaxis. You know, what, what do we know about the virus? Who is it affecting? And it's obviously the elderly, those with pre existing conditions. And so, you know, what can we do to boost the immune system? Dr. Swell does med cram, videos, phenomenal, phenomenal instrument, I think just information to be able to just learn the why like, why is it that vitamin D is important? You know, what is it that it does to boost our immune system? And and, you know, for preventative or to decrease more acute or severe disease. So, so my early admission, while I started just, I would just scribble notes, yeah, parents would bring their child in for well, child check. And I'm like, so you do know that there, there are things we can do to decrease risk, etc. So there's the CDC guidelines and recommendations, which is fine. I, I never dissuaded anybody from doing those things. But you can't box a virus in, you know, people are going to the store. They're, you know, they're not wearing their PPE correctly. Anyway, so So it's you can't rely on that. Yeah. And so I just, I, I got to a point where it felt so futile, telling people one by one, when there were so many people that that needed this information that I finally just started openly talking about it. Yeah. And sharing the information that I had. And and I spent, you know, from well, when the shutdown happened on my birthday, march 12, when everything went, went down, and I was
Dr. Paul 39:44
12 to 2020. Yep. And I was like, happy birthday and shut down here.
Scott Miller, PA-C 39:49
And the next day or I think, march 15. I saw a paper I think it was out of Italy. And it was talking about the death rate in children nine and under and it was basically 00 Yeah. And I was fascinated by that. And like how, you know, working through H one n one where it's affecting, you know, the the younger population. I just, it was this fairly lengthy paper, it's pretty late at night. And I'm like, There's no way I'm going to read this. And all of a sudden it, I just started scrolling through and said, melatonin and impact on LRP, three and inflammasome and caspase. One I'm like, yeah, what is? Yeah, what is this stuff? Yeah. And I just, it was just just switch flippers like that. I need to know about this, like, this is it just it was like the Lord just like, you need to know this emotion.
Dr. Paul 40:42
I had a friend almost die. I wrote a book within a month, published it in April of 2020. And I was talking about melatonin, and zinc and vitamin D, and vitamin C, the things that are so easy to do, that can be incredibly helpful. Yeah, incredibly helpful. But apparently, the powers that be feel like what you're doing with sharing this sort of information is a threat to public health.
Scott Miller, PA-C 41:10
According to the documents that I received, just last yesterday, I received it yesterday. Yeah. Wow. Folks,
Dr. Paul 41:19
yesterday, and you're here talking to me about it. Thank you. Absolutely. What we have going on in this country, is when you have a health care provider who's helping, I mean, 1000s you also deal with children, you're you have a big pediatric practice with you. How many children because I'm a pediatrician, people who know the show know that how many children in your practice have been hospitalized for COVID have ended up in the ER for COVID 00 That's my same experience. And the data bears this out the risk of death from COVID for a child under 19. It's point 000 something
Scott Miller, PA-C 42:03
you have to have, based on that there needs to be a number of other mitigating factors that are corresponding to the so I had a child that had early history of RSV, you know, respiratory issues and asthmatic and, and she got Sue's a three year old, she got sick. And that was the first time this was about a month and a half ago. And I was surprised at how, how quickly she got sick because typically it's, you know, if they get a fever, it's fever for a day. And then it resolves, or, you know, it's mild symptoms, just typical URI type of symptoms, but she she actually got sick and and you know, my, my take on it was, you know if she had I don't know if I can say these words. You know, if it was a three year old that had scabies or head lice, I would have given her dose dependent ivermectin to treat it, right. So, and I've used that medication ubiquitously for years without any issues whatsoever with side effects. So. So I, the parents asked if I'd be willing to prescribe it, which I did. And I put her on Buddhist denied. Yeah. And, and she was better than next day.
Dr. Paul 43:22
Yeah. So I wonder if that's partly why you caught the attention of the authorities. There is something crazy going on, folks. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna say it right here on the show. The world across the world, doctors are having incredible success with ivermectin, its safety record is amazing. But if you speak of it, yeah, what happens? This is probably on your list. Did you? Did you read your thing? They mentioned ivermectin in there,
Scott Miller, PA-C 43:57
the use of non FDA approved. So these are all FDA approved medication. Right. Right. So the use of non FDA approved medications in the use for treating COVID-19 And in my initial argument, because this wasn't the first or third or fifth complaint they started and none of these complaints are from patients, right. These are people that like I spoke at a at a school board meeting and there are people that didn't like what I said, you know, I drove up and there you know, my wife had just been in Texas where people were living fairly normally right summer and, and, or, you know, under spring summer and I see all these kids outside with masks on out in the playground, and I just I made the comment. I'm like, what, what are they doing? Right? Like, why are you masking these kids outside while they're running around playing like I need to see the science before we just blanket have everybody do this like like How come How come our school nurses outcome our you know, our you know, the doctors that are making these recommendations the schools are using to determine safety. How come we're not having these conversations with with the providers? Yeah. So we can all look at the data and determine like, is this something right? Because I make recommendations for these families? Right. And so I think it'd be instead of them just saying, Well, this is the data we have, and like I understand the data you have. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the data you're going to use right? To determine, you know, these, these
Dr. Paul 45:31
so you've caught their attention on the mask issue you've caught their attention on, you know, you're helping people with things that it's not something that the FDA or Pfizer or Merck is making. You know, heaven forbid, you suggest vitamins and maybe off label use a very beneficial medication like ivermectin, that's being used by physicians around the world.
Scott Miller, PA-C 45:54
Yeah. And then I accidentally made a statement that I had treated at that time, it wasn't it was only about 350 patients. But at the time, I'd say my statement was, you know, that there are treatments. And I said that to the board and said, you know, there are treatments. If you took just a couple minutes, and just it even with Google, a basic Google search, right, and you Googled famotidine. And it would say somebody percent reduction in hospitalization, if you Google glutathione, and COVID, I had an almost argument with a pulmonologist, it said that using antioxidants is useless for COVID-19. I'm like, Well, let's look at like glutathione and COVID-19 hits, like, you know, like low glutathione levels is one of the most, you know, like common reasons for severe for severe illness, and it's like, why why can you not give that in the hospital? Yeah, why can you not give any C in the hospital? Like what
Dr. Paul 46:48
will give it for a Tylenol poisoning,
Unknown Speaker 46:50
or alcohol toxicity? And so I
Dr. Paul 46:54
can feel your frustration well,
Scott Miller, PA-C 46:58
when the when the outcome is death, right. And their protocol has not budged. I had a discussion with the with the in ICU doc and, and the wife had, you know, they had a DNI and she said, Well, you know, what, what are the next steps? And he said, well, the oxygen demand becomes too high. At that point, we would make him comfortable until he passes. And she'd asked if I'd be on the phone to advocate and I was like, whoa, hold on. He's, he's on supplemental oxygen. And six milligrams of dexamethasone. You're he didn't fit the profile for or they're talking about Tocilizumab. So they're okay doing Tocilizumab, which has a high side effect profile. But they won't do they, you know, and I said, let's look at the data on on doing Buddha's tonight. Let's look at the data on doing methylprednisolone. Yeah. And he said, Well, we're, we're using the best data that we have. And I said, Okay, if I send you some information, like if I send you data on it, can you take a look at it? And if statement, this is what the wife on the phone, I don't have the time.
Dr. Paul 48:05
Wow. You're speaking about a hospitalized patient who's potentially going to die, right. And there are interventions that are well known, well established, they're published. I mean, this this stuff is published, right? It's not just one here, say, Doctor talking to another. And they don't have the time. That
Scott Miller, PA-C 48:28
was his statement. Yeah, I don't have the time. Because I said, I said, I can send you mountains of data on that. He said, I don't have the time. I said, Okay, how about I just send you a little bit of data? Just just something so that so that this conversation doesn't have to end with her husband dying? And and, and I said, you're willing to use Toklas zoom app, which got what emergency use because of its impact on interleukin six. So, so there isn't a lot of data on that. Right? They kind of picked it as an emergency use. So I said, you know, why don't we take a look at Colchicine? Why don't we like thymine, why don't we do these? You know, like at least other things that have a low dose, again, a low side effect profile. You're worried about using a higher dose steroid, because a possible secondary infection he already has, he already had an ammonia that they weren't treating. Yeah. So just his statement was, well, I'm not a COVID expert. So that so that was his statement when I was going through and he's like, Well, I'm not a COVID XO,
Dr. Paul 49:28
you are a COVID expert by the fact that you've treated as many patients as you have. I've talked to several physicians around the country who are treating COVID And those numbers that you've treated are right up there with other you know, doctors who are making a huge difference. What's gonna happen to your patients if I mean you, you've got a cease and desist I had that happen to me last December. So you cannot treat a patient today tomorrow until this gets hopefully resolved. What happens to your patients?
Scott Miller, PA-C 50:06
I mean So Friday there's this, the list of people that had called in. And, you know, it's funny because, you know, I do peds all day and we see the list. And then we have our whiteboard, which is like those, like, Scott, like, you need to get meds I like these are, you know, in between patients lunch, it's like, this is action plan getting, you know, Lincare supplemental oxygen where, you know, their day eight 910 where, you know, by the time they found out that there are people that would treat, you know, they're, they're in that danger zone. And it's, and I remember having that packet sitting on my lap, and I'm opening it up, and I'm looking at this order from the Attorney General, I was like, and I looked up, and I had my schedule open, I looked up at the board, and we haven't, some of them are in red. And I just thought there's got to be a way, you know, like, how do I, how do I get around this? Not like I didn't, I didn't suffer what happened, but like my brain just it just it broke my heart. Because we know I mean, one or two days delay in some of these patients is the literal difference between them ending up in the hospital or, or being able to get treatments and I are making it are not that well with the hospital. Well, we know what the data is on hospitals. And we know what the treatment protocols are, where they go in. They've had fever for three, four days, they keep them dry. They put them on Tylenol Q six, and now you're bombing the liver, keep them dry. They're on supplemental oxygen. Yeah, maybe some Lovenox. And, and that's it as they sit there, decompensating. That's true, as they sit there saying, Well, were you vaccinated? No. Well, there was something you could have done to prevent this. That's certainly, you know, you could have prevented this except for all of the people that call a Sunday eight or nine that had been vaccinated that are still just as sick. Yeah.
Dr. Paul 52:25
Yeah. What on that note actually worth? What? No, no, thank you for sharing that. This is this is hard stuff. And this is it's just wrong. It there's we go into medicine to help patients. And I can see that in your heart and your eyes. You just care about patients, you're, you're in the trenches. It's like you're, you're running into the burning building, with with, you know, vitamin C and glutathione and acetyl, cysteine and vitamin D and ivermectin and, and whatever is necessary to save people's lives. And now they're going to tell you can't do that, sorry, we're just gonna let those people they can burn
Scott Miller, PA-C 53:12
it's it it was a you know, when I look at because it's every day, the decisions that I that I make, and when I say that, I mean that. There's I mean, none of it was really about me. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm a Christian. And pretty much everything that, that I felt led to do has been driven by my conviction that, that God had a purpose for me for this time to be able to, to stand up and help, you know, help people that came to me, it's like, in fact, when we were getting more heat and, and, you know, people around me were like, Scott, you've got us, you've got to shut it down. And, and I'm like, well, then all of a sudden, it's like a friend, right? So somebody's friend got sick. So do I shut it down for them? Like, who's important enough? Is it because we know them so we'll treat them so we just serve the stranger they don't get. They don't get help. Right. And I just told the story, but I remember very late I'd walk our property and just like Lord, I don't like help, you know, like, and, and I remember texting my office manager at like three in the morning. And I said, Listen, if if the phones don't ring, you know, if we don't have any phone calls, then Alright, let's just let's kind of shut this down. And from that day, it's been nonstop and we joke about it that we hear the phone ringing in our nightmares turn the phone off, and we had 22 patients that day, new patients that called in and my office manager is like Scott, what You do? And I was like, I, I asked what our what our mission was?
Dr. Paul 55:05
Yeah. Well, it's hard to understand right now, in this moment, you're just 24 hours from being told you can't practice your trade. You can't help these people in the way you've been helping them. It must feel hopeless. But I'm here to tell you, I've been in your seat. And you're a god, man. There's a reason this is happening. And you're going to turn this around for something even bigger and better. But we do have to figure out a way how to rescue your patients. Yeah, yeah. No, that's that's crisis 911 stuff. We'll chat off camera and come up with some ideas for that. Yeah. COVID is real. I mean, and for people who are at high risk, it's scary. Mm hmm. Right. I mean, you you've treated very, very sick people. The good news is there's treatment and there are things you should do to minimize the chances you get it. Or if you get it, it's going to be milder, because you've done all these things to boost your immune system. This is the information you've been trying to get out to people, but you're also on the 911 team of house calls, and you know, really, literally saving lives. This is just tragic. What the board has done here, folks, and we need to rally this, this is a, this is a call to action. And we want you if you're listening to this, and this concerns you join as a member, and we're gonna figure out some way to help Scott here and help the people that he's been saving their lives with, with the work that you've been doing. So thank you for coming on the show.
Scott Miller, PA-C 56:41
Thank you for what you're doing. Yeah, I mean, just there's names that I have on my desk, that and they it's a messy desk, but and your name has been sitting on my since I saw, I saw when I saw the news when when I heard what happened to that. And I told you I was so angry. You know, when I just the level of respect that I have for you, and the work that you've done in your advocacy for for, for children, and for families, there just aren't, there aren't a lot of people that I mean, way before me doing this. With COVID, you've been doing this for for our children,
Dr. Paul 57:28
those of you who are watching this who are still living in fear of COVID, you don't need fear of COVID you need fear of the response to COVID. And fear of the treatment you might get in the hospital from doctors who don't have a clue. Sorry, doctors. It's not your fault. It's your you're a product of your training. But you need to open your ears, open your eyes, look at the data. Look at what's being done. We're having incredible results. You're having incredible results.
Scott Miller, PA-C 57:53
Well and around the world. Right around the world. We'll have a look. I mean, that's Paul, Matt, you know, Merrick and inquiry with FLCC is doing and then de Melo and chatting. And I mean, you have studied, studied these concern these hero doctors around the world that have single handedly saved 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of human beings because they they said, I'm not going to go with the status quo. Why? Because why would you like the the attack on me one of the main attacks is I'm going against the CDC guidelines, which is do nothing, right. Like, you're it's almost it wasn't real. Yeah, it's, it's it. There's something so absurd about the idea that somebody would get attacked, because there were recommendations that are made to let's look at so if you have something that causes that has a cause, right, like I don't cure asthma. But if somebody has asthma, there's medications that we can use here to mitigate the inflammatory response and help the lungs. Right, so. So to say, I don't understand the word asthma, it's new to us. So let's do nothing about it. So they keep using COVID Is this novel thing? And because the CDC has a set of checklists, were somehow bound to be inert on that and do nothing because their checklist doesn't have anything on it.
Dr. Paul 59:17
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. So it doesn't make sense. Unless you understand conflicts of interest. Mm hmm. So anyway, I would like you to look in that camera there. Tell the world what you would like them to know. Just based on where you're sitting right now. Wow. I didn't prepare you for this. No, sir. That's okay.
Scott Miller, PA-C 59:47
What I know. I mean, COVID is absolutely real. It's devastated. Our communities it's devastated our nation in the context of how it's been used to control a narrative and and to control us in the context of fear, when you have, basically every media outlet suppress information, by, by doctors, in our in our country and around the world that have proven time and time again that there are there are treatments that successfully mitigate severe outcomes of COVID. Again, and it's getting suppressed. And there are no it's just, I'm just desperate for people to fully wake up and understand that when you're told there's nothing you can do, you should you should, like, your brain should start worrying, like what did it What do you mean, there's nothing we can do. Like, we're just literally just this slave to us. And we just need to literally do exactly what we're told stand six feet apart, then three feet apart. Why don't know, where your mask there. But when you sit down there, you can take it up there. But But why? Well, that's just the guideline. And people stopped asking questions, like, well explain the guideline? Well, it just is. And if you don't do it, then you're not doing your part. And so So you sit there. So they said, they're creating all these policies to separate us to try and divide us. And it's like, the, I don't want to be divided from my community. I want I want to educate my community, I want to help entreat anyone that comes to me. And, you know, if I say something that seems off, right, if I make a recommendation, than I tell somebody to vet it, like, if I say, you know, whatever the disease state is, like, if, if, if somebody is like, well, that doesn't make sense, can you explain it, I better be able to do it, like that. And if I say, well, cuz it's on a checklist, you better not, you better go somewhere else, we've become this, where we just are just obeying, we're not questioning we're not asking. And, and it's scary to me. And so I'm just, you know, I'm so grateful and thankful for, for our community for blah schugel and Camus the, the families there that have been so supportive. It's just, I'm just grateful for. For them, just for all of y'all, you know, you're just for trusting me and believing in me and knowing that, that from the beginning, my only goal is to be able to serve my community the best that I can. And it breaks my heart right now to know that there are people in my community that I am not able to, to be able to serve at this time, but we're working right now. And there's people tirelessly working on finding other ways outside of me to be able to stop, you know, to plug that that hole for people that are sick, so that they can still get the treatment that they deserve.
Dr. Paul 1:03:16
Yeah. COVID is treatable. It's largely preventable by boosting your immune system with a whole host of natural ways. And if you are suffering from it, or you have a loved one who's suffering from it, get treatment, find a doctor like this incredible clinician, who knows what they're doing. And they're out there, they're few and far between and they are under attack, you are under attack for messing with their narrative that this is a dangerous disease, we need to all live in fear, go to your corners, wear your masks, etc, etc. When we have stadiums full of 80,000 people screaming and yelling and high fiving and drinking their beer or whatever they're doing. No super spreader events in those stadiums in, in certain states where they don't have the same rules. So we have some disconnect here, folks. But this thing is also real. And it's also scary. And you've seen the scary face of this and you're in that you're running into those burning buildings. So thank you for doing that. And I wish you the best outcome for what's coming ahead. I know God's not going to leave you alone. There's some major purpose that you're supposed to be now focusing on after we get the whole blood. Thank you for coming on the show.
Scott Miller, PA-C 1:04:36
It's my pleasure. Thank you
Dr. Paul 1:04:44
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