Dr. Paul 0:00
Dr. Pol up against the wind doctors in science under fire. Today's interview Dr. Ryan Cole pathologist with a background in immunology and virology, he just demystifies everything COVID talks about how there's 1000s of genomes, meaning variants, you cannot do gene manipulation to get ahead of something that mutates that quickly. And we talk in depth about spike protein, what it's actually doing, and then an eloquent explanation of your immune system. It will help you understand once and for all, why you don't need you don't want a COVID jab at all, ever. We even touch on RSV. Yep, we do. Enjoy the show.
Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. Today, I wanted to talk about where do we get our power. Now, most of my medical career, I lived in ego, it was like I was all powerful. I was all knowing. And even though I remember in medical school, they said, Don't be paternalistic. I think I was a lot. That can also be a very scary place to be. Because if you're making all the decisions, and you're responsible for everything, and God knows, I don't know that much. In fact, you should know that the more you know, the more you don't know. You know, you've heard seek and you will find, Ask and it will be given power, real power comes from surrendering personal control, and accepting guidance. I had the blessing of losing my license, like bam, overnight, I get the phone call, you've been emergency suspended. Some of you know that story back in 2020. Talk about putting you in a position where you better understand you're powerless, and you better start seeking some counsel and I was blessed to get a lot of amazing coaching. You know, I see a lot of people who act entitled I deserve this. You owe me this. And I, to me, it feels like when you are coming from that place. Because I've been there myself. It destroys faith. It destroys love, and it puts you right into ego. I want to share a little story of back when I was in Africa 2009 I took most of my kids to Zimbabwe where I grew up, and I showed him the village I grew up in. We had a wonderful party celebration at a village home where my adopted kids grew up. And my bio kids who'd never been out of the country, were absolutely amazed at the love and the joy that came from within of all their peers. They were playing with African kids who owned literally nothing, but the shirt on their back that probably they borrowed. And yet they had such joy. You don't get joy and love and that fullness within your soul from possessions from power and earthly things. You get that from connecting with love. So I say let's practice daily to be grateful for everything we have the loved ones we have in our lives. And then stay humble, stay willing, stay anticipating because there's a message in a direction that I know. I'm certainly being called to. And my guess is you are to when you stay humble and open to direction. Life becomes an adventure. That becomes your power.
Welcome Dr. Ryan Cole. It is such an honor and privilege to have you on against the wind.
Unknown Speaker 3:36
It's great to be here with you Dr. Thomas, it was great to meet you at the FLCC meeting. Finally in person, I've followed a lot of your work and your life story. So it's an honor to be with you. Thank you.
Dr. Paul 3:47
Well, thank you. For those of you watching who don't know Dr. Brian Cole, he gave what should have been the keynote talk at the FLCC conference recently held in Florida, it was just so robust in the science. So we're gonna, we're gonna get into that. But for people to get to know you a little bit, I know that you are the CEO and medical director of cold diagnostics. Since it carries Your Name. I'm guessing you founded that company. You have an incredible background board certified pathologist and I'm going to ask you later what that is for people who don't really understand what a pathologist does. You trained at Mayo Clinic that the unique thing I didn't know until I was reading your bio, you've worked as a doctor in emergency medicine, family medicine, dermatology, that gives you such a deeper understanding, in my opinion of you know, as a pathologist, now you can kind of relate to the clinical presentation. And so, your lab I mean you are a full service pathology lab, molecular testing, microbiology, blood testing, cytology, you look at biopsies, you've handled over 175,000 COVID tests and diagnosed over a half a million pay Since using mostly the microscope in your career, you've spoken nationally and internationally on science, the truth about the pandemic, which we're going to dig into, on the medical Freedom Area. And then kind of interesting just to make you a real human being, I can't wait to come out to your organic farm where you have lambs and cattle and ducks, chickens, 250 fruit trees, you're also as a hobby. I think it's a hobby, but it sounds like you're pretty good at it. You build furniture out of wood, unique pieces, guitars, wooden boats, functional wood art, and you're the proud father of six daughters. Wow.
Unknown Speaker 5:37
It's all you got it, you nailed it. That is my background in a nutshell there. And, you know, I like to throw that stuff in at the end. Because really, I think one of the most important things in life is balance. I do life and death by day through the microscope here, what I do is very serious, but at the end of the day, just finding that greater connection to all things in life. And, you know, creating working with the Earth, trying to raise good kids in this world. It all tries to balance out
Dr. Paul 6:10
how would you explain what you do and,
Unknown Speaker 6:13
and for people to really understand it. I like to explain the pathologist is the most important doctor that you will never meet that you always hope is right. So our job, you know, some of the older generation remembers Quincy and autopsy and things like that. And that's certainly part of our training. And some of us, you know, still do autopsies. Others don't, my day job more, more than anything is sitting here at the microscopes and say you go to your doctor, you'll get a biopsy and those biopsies go through a special process, and then they get in turned into microscopic slide. And then that biopsy, you know, we can do all sorts of studies on these tissues and make a diagnosis. Is it this? Isn't it that if it is this, how bad is it? Is it an infection? What type of infection? Do we need to do additional studies? So the pathologist is the quality control of all of medicine. So as you mentioned, you know, all day long it to CSI with cells and or blood and or microbiology, microbiology specimens, or genetic workups. So we do a complex array, trying to get for you the practicing clinician a diagnosis, so you know best how to go forward treating your patient.
Dr. Paul 7:26
Very well put. I imagine when COVID hit us in early 2020. Right. As a pathologist, prior to that, walk walk me through what happened for you in your career as relates to you know, COVID hitting us.
Unknown Speaker 7:46
Sure. So, in addition to all those things that I've done in my career, when I when I started medical school, I did MD Ph. D work in immunology and virology. The lab I helped set up it was a biosafety level three laboratory and we actually it was kind of me as the the med student and the PhD students setting up that lab. And we showed exactly how HIV was continuously reinfected into cells through a certain type of cell called the dendritic cell. So I had I had a pretty deep background in immunology and virology many, many years ago. And when this came along, I studied SARS cov. One I studied MERS so those were in my wheelhouse, and I understood very well this family of viruses. And when I heard the Inklings coming out of Asia that, uh, oh, gosh, we have another SARS virus. I'm like, Oh, great. And what was I overly worried? You know, I had concerned like everybody did at the beginning, we were going into the unknown. And I dove right into early treatment. I mean, any anything in medicine, we're going to treat first if we can. So that was that was top of mind. And I reached out and spoke with a lot of colleagues on what things work, what didn't I was big on the hydroxychloroquine bandwagon very, very early in 2020. And I was face to face you know, once we started testing with 1000s of sick patients, so I prophylaxis and took me well over I see 2020 21 Yeah, I mean, took me almost two years to get COVID personally. Yeah. And then when I had it a treated I was you know, I had a bad cold for three days and was fine. But but the the journey for me was the anxiety of patients. So, again, I was a clinician for many years. Doing many of those areas of medicine you mentioned, I have lots of patients face to face, very anxious. What do I do? What do I do? Basic for me, well, gosh, what's your vitamin D level? That's going to tell me your immune status? Are you eating too much sugar? Do you have underlying conditions? Are you going to move your body or are you going to sit on a couch afraid eating tons of things that are going to make your immune system weaker. So I took the opportunity early on to educate, and literally 1000s upon 1000s, we set up a testing station out in the parking lot. So you know, we weren't inside a building and, you know, kept people in their cars and would bring them in one by one, etcetera. So we did a lot of testing. So education was the beginning of it, then the concern for me came when they said, We're going to have a warp speed vaccine. And all of my alarm bells went off right away. Again, I understand virology, this family of viruses will always always has and always will mutate ahead of our vaccinal efforts. And so when they said they were going to do that I knew something was gravely wrong in the scientific thinking. And then, you know, in retrospect, we can connect the bureaucratic dots of who was working with whom and why, but at the end of the day to try to use a vaccine, as the solution for what we've gone through was a horrible idea. It still is, and going forward, always will be with a Coronavirus. There's a reason. So again, I worked with HIV in the in the 90s and 40 years later, the reason that Fauci doesn't have a vaccine for HIV is because HIV also has a spike protein, its own family of Spike different from this one. But that spike always mutates. So there's a reason 40 years later, his holy grail of an HIV vaccine has been an abject failure. Same thing with Coronavirus is 40 years from now a vaccine against a Coronavirus will be an abject failure.
Dr. Paul 11:44
You showed a slide at the conference that showed I think it was over 2700 SARS cov, two genomes just since 2019. When when when I say genomes, does that mean those mutations? Is that what we're talking about?
Unknown Speaker 12:01
Yeah, so in laboratory medicine, we can do very specific sequencing. And you can see, okay, a nucleotide is different here, which makes a different protein. So now that spike bends this way, in that way, and this way, or the membrane is slightly different, et cetera, et cetera. So one little point mutation, or two, or three, or 10, or 20, mutations, all of a sudden, you're dealing with a different beast. So at any given moment, I mean, early on, there's a website I looked like called next strain.org. And it basically gives the family tree of this particular outbreak. But there are 10s of 1000s of mutations and variants, or all of them viable know, are some more severe than others, sure. But at the end of the day, when when you're treating a virus, when when you get infected, you don't just have one virus in you. one cell, it may replicate with a certain mutation, you literally have a swarm of viruses. So when someone's infected, they may have 100, or 200, little variants, or more of SARS, cov. To in their body at that moment. So if you get infected with Omicron, which is dominant now, omicron. b 4.6, is the more dominant one now, or B, QQ some of the others that are going up, you're going to have 100 variants of that one virus or harm, I was not aware of that. Yeah. And so your body is going to try to fight it off the immune system, the human body is an amazing thing, if you take care of it. But if you don't do the right things, then some of those different variants maybe become the stronger variant eventually, and now you're infectious and may give a more infectious variant to another, especially when we give a shot that selects narrowly for only one or two variants when literally your body has hundreds. So yes, you are correct. There are not only hundreds and a given individual, but in the world, literally 10s of 1000s of variants of this virus now.
Dr. Paul 14:03
Wow. That's why you said earlier, there's no way you can vaccinate your way out of this. And, and so maybe you could explain to us why is vaccinating a mistake with this kind of a virus?
Unknown Speaker 14:17
Well, number one, it mutates very quickly and it replicates very quickly. So when you give an injection you and these aren't true vaccines these are a gene based injection, you know true vaccine as a as a killed protein or killed whole organism with a an irritating agent called an adjuvant that makes your body have an immune response and then try to form antibodies and then hopefully T cell immunity against the infection. to vaccinate against this. You're going to have a very narrow library of those antibodies now they can bind and in some cases neutralize a small percentage of those viruses but the problem is the Wuhan variant It's still in these shots and this gene is extinct, it went extinct over a year and a half ago. Now the by valence shots, the BA four and the BA five that are in the shots, those are almost extinct as well, because we're on to some variants of those. So now we're vaccinating with an antibody. What What would the gene that makes your cell make us buy protein, which is completely abnormal, to turn your body into the machinery of factory for making a foreign protein, because now your cells become an enemy to your immune system when they make this foreign protein. So that's about idea. So this, this, this whole construct was about idea. But but even a worse idea. And this is interesting, if you go back just a few years back and look at the history of dengue virus in the Philippines. And they created a vaccine called Dengvaxia. And they gave the shot. And then the next season, when the next variant of dengue came along, more children were hospitalized, more children died. And that's the same thing with this, you're you're making an antibody for what you what is generally present in the environment. But with that drift, and that mutation away from what originally was now your antibodies, instead of being your friend and helping maybe bind and neutralize the virus, now become your enemy, because they will now bind but they can't neutralize that virus. And so they'll kind of grab on to it. And then this little end of the antibody that's supposed to, like freeze and then say, Hey, I'm yummy, gobble me up and clear me out. instead. Now it binds to a receptor on your garbage truck sales, your macrophages, and then it gulfs the virus in and now it hijacks the machinery of your cells. Now your body, your own immune cells, which should be fighting off the virus now become a replication factory for the virus. So now you've gone one step further down about pathway of more inflammation. So when you vaccinate against a family of viruses like this, and there's several others we'll never be able to vaccinate against because they will mutate. And then eventually, this is called antibody dependent enhancement. Your body is immune imprinting. So we've literally put blinders on the horse of your immune system. Now your horse can only see that original variant and this by Vaillant variant, but it can't see future variants and now your body wants to only make immunity to these old I like to call us call them legacy variants because they're gone. So you're literally pre priming your body to have the inability to fight future variants of Coronavirus is not just SARS, cov two but SARS cov 345, you know, 510 15 years from now. And now you may have an antibody floating around in your body that instead of being a friend can cause you more harm.
Dr. Paul 17:43
And I recall early experiments with I think it was SARS. They were original SARS or MERS were they in animal studies, when they would reexpose those animals, most of them or all of them would die.
Unknown Speaker 17:54
Yeah, in the ferret study. So ferrets are used because their lungs are very similar to human lungs. So when the ferrets studies, I mean, I've heard people say they all died No, a lot of those papers. Unfortunately, as we've seen, the internet gets scrubbed of truth and information and science. It was about 20% of ferrets in that SARS Kobe one trial. But interestingly, in the mouse trial, the mice that didn't get vaccinated versus those that did. And that that was a traditional vaccine. This just shows that the spike protein in and of itself is dangerous. The animals that got the shot 100% of those mice had lung pathology, they had kill off very important types of air sac cells and they also had a really interesting hyper allergic infiltrate in the lungs in every single one of those animals in that trial. So that's why they never brought a human trial to market with that SARS cov 120 years ago, 1718 years ago. And then when MERS came along similar studies were done and MERS was obviously more deadly than either of these. But same thing happened when you tried to vaccinate against it, it mutated hid ahead. And then when the animals were exposed to this new wild type virus, their immune system again became an enemy to self. And so we have a long history of this. So to do what we did societally is like slapping history in the face and saying, oh, history doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter and science, you know, as much as science changes. Most great discoveries are accidental and happen in leaps and bounds but slow science. We should look at history and realize let's not repeat stupid mistakes.
Dr. Paul 19:42
Yep, yeah. Amen. to that. We're going to come back to spike protein, but I'm just curious on your thoughts about RSV because obviously we're hearing in the news at our hospitals are quote at capacity kids filling up hospitals. As a pediatrician RSV is just a seasonal One thing that we have every winter, I always used to think, Boy, if they could make a vaccine for RSV that would sure help. Now in light of what they just did with COVID, what are your thoughts about this race for an RSV vaccine?
Unknown Speaker 20:14
It goes back to the basic principle in virology, viruses always mutate. Now, does RSV mutate at the same rate as Corona viruses? No, it doesn't. But many years ago, RSV vaccines enhanced the disease in children and we had a history of RSV vaccines failing similarly to what these have done. RSV is a high risk for little tiny children, because you know, their air sacs are, I mean, their, their windpipe is, you know, this big, but for every fraction bigger, it gets the air flow rate. I did aeronautical engineering and physics at the Air Force Academy A lifetime ago, too. So that's why they're at risk. It's the diameter of the windpipe, and the basic small wind branches that go into the lungs. The RSV problem we have right now is because we have given too many shots that have suppressed the immune system of humanity. Now, people who normally wouldn't get other viruses and we'll get into this with the spike harms. They're a petri dish, we have a population petri dish of people carrying viruses with which they would normally just keep them in check and just clear them out. We have a highly effective population carrying too many viruses. Now, same thing in the kiddos that did get the COVID shots. Now because of suppression of their immune system, they're not able to fight off other common viruses. So this emergency was induced by bad science. RSV will always mutate. And going forward, these big companies say oh, gosh, you know, we can we can make a lipid nanoparticle plus a gene sequence against RSV No, no, you can't. This platform in and of itself is dangerous. And I know we can get into that and a little bit. Any lipid nanoparticle gene sequence shot needs to be stopped here. And now. There's no long term safety for these. These products have never successfully come to market before. And that's what's very important is there's there's a reason we didn't have mRNA gene therapy, vaccine therapy prior to this, because everything Madonna had tried up until now failed. Now Borla, in an interview with the Washington Post, CEO of Pfizer said to his scientists, Hey, why are why are we doing mRNA? We've only been working on this for you know, two years and change. We don't have a long track record. So he even knew as CEO. So what forces behind that forced them into this? I don't know. So for RSV, they think they're going to you know, declare an emergency. So now they can emergency authorize this lipid nanoparticle gene sequence RSV vaccine, and it's only going to lead to more disaster scientifically. RSV, like you mentioned, it's treatable. And what's fascinating. It's a single stranded RNA virus like SARS, cov two is fascinatingly, it has a little zipper that helps replicate itself called and called an RNA dependent RNA, RNA polymerase. Guess what if you get enough zinc into the cell, and bind that you slow the replication or stop the replication, some of the early treatment drugs that shall not be named, you know, that were very successful in COVID are very successful in any single stranded RNA virus, be it influenza, B it RSV, B, it coronaviruses, et cetera, et cetera. So what we need to be looking at his early treatments, RSV is a problem right now, yes, most people do fine. And again, I think scare mongering and fear within a society seems to be where the big money is made for government agencies and pharmaceutical companies, but not in the best interest in the health and the wellness of an individual.
Dr. Paul 23:55
Yeah. So my own data, which was just a general pediatric population, but I have you know, enough families who don't vaccinate at all, that I could compare all health outcomes of vaccinated compared to unvaccinated, and lo and behold, just about anything we look at is more prevalent in the highly vaccinated, you made a comment about we have all these people going around just petri dishes of various infections or carrying different loads of different viruses. And I think you either stated or implied, but I just want it to be clarified. Is it the vaccinated or the unvaccinated who are a greater threat to let's say, the vulnerable population, you know, they always talk about the immunocompromised, the very elderly people with underlying conditions, who is a bigger threat to these people. Those who are highly vaccinated are those who are not.
Unknown Speaker 24:50
Those who are highly vaccinated are a higher threat because again, it goes to that blinders on a horse this immune imprinting, for example, we see Seidel came out with this quadrivalent flu shot in Northern Italy grown in dog kidney cells right before the pandemic hit. Fascinatingly, they had higher death rates and did worse in those who got the shots. There is a protein sequence on one of those portions of flu on that shot that overlaps with SARS cov. Two, and that causes that enhancement reaction and worse disease. So those who are highly vaccinated, their immune system is narrowed, you know, not just to SARS, cov. Two, but all these other shots, if you look at T cell immunity, T cells are far more important. Everybody hears about antibodies, I say antibody SHM antibodies, antibodies are a surrogate marker that we look at. And you know, it may give an indication of a reaction. But far more important are these little Marines of your immune system, your T cells, you and I have 30 billion circulating in our body right now, as we sit here and talk everybody listening does. And they each have a job, and they're there to immediately attack and ward off invaders into the body. When we give too many shots of too many types, again, we narrow the skill set of those fighters of those Marines. Now an infection may can't come into the body, and the Marines that had broad skills to fight off this, this, this and this, they're like, wait, I can only do this kind of fighting and the others or I can only do this kind of fighting, the others are like, I'm getting drunk and going back to the barracks and not fighting at all. And so what we do, and we think, you know, we're doing society a favor with shot after shot after shot after shot. We're not because your body only has so much immune memory or breath of immunologic memory and reserve. And so if you start to compartmentalize that memory into a very focused, narrow area, you're doing it at the expense of breadth of being able to nonspecifically fight off lots of things. And so the immune system, again, is an amazing thing until we mess it up. And there are other things you know, societally. So yes, the vaccinated are higher risk. The other thing too, is those with low vitamin D levels, those with suppressed immune systems are at higher risk, because their immune system doesn't function properly. And vitamin D isn't a vitamin, it's a pro hormone. That's so critical. It's a conductor of the symphony of our immune system. If you have your vitamin D in normal level, so everybody in North America north of 35th parallel right now is vitamin D deficient if you're not supplementing period, if your vitamin D is low, then your immune system is like the mosh pit at a punk rock concert is banging together, but not really knowing how to talk to each other. So yeah, the vaccinated are are the basically the shatters the super carriers because of the the narrowness and the non breadth of their immunity.
Dr. Paul 27:57
Yeah. I've been big proponent of vitamin D. And I was glad to have you explain that. I think and I'm curious what you think of this, you know, the normal range, they talk about 30 to 100?
Unknown Speaker 28:08
I think it's Nano. Yeah, nanograms per milliliter, 100
Dr. Paul 28:12
grams per milliliter. Thank you. And, but the the cancer protection, for example, lots and lots of studies that go back decade or two, most of that protection was when you were at 50 to 80 range. So what range would you consider optimal for you and your loved ones.
Unknown Speaker 28:30
So I usually keep myself between that range 50 to 80. So at about 55 nanograms per milliliter, your vitamin D receptors are saturated. But when you get an insult and infection, a cold or flu, whatever your body quickly uses and consumes that vitamin D and burns through it, it's like fuel in a car tank you you need to constantly be refilling that vitamin D level. So I may go into an infection and my levels 65 or 70. But in two or three days, it may be down to 30 because it's being consumed very quickly. There are 17 cancers related to low vitamin D levels. 17. And so to keep your vitamin D levels up, I mean, it's fascinating as I have many colleagues around the country and some are oncologists and when they have a new cancer diagnosis, they I asked them or they volunteer, they just basically say and their vitamin D was low, and their vitamin D was low and their vitamin D was low. And so I optimally 55 is really the bottom of where you want to be. Now, some people will get frustrated there. There are vitamin D receptor mutations, some people it's hard for them to get up to normal levels. That's a, you know, a set percentage of the population. But really, most of us can achieve that. 50 to 80 range.
Dr. Paul 29:46
Yeah, I test vitamin D all the time. I've found that unsupplemented people are in the teens or single digits. Yes. It's incredible how low people's vitamin D can be. And it can take for are teens and adults, at least 5000 I use a day. I don't know what you think about give me with k two. But I feel like maybe that helps assure the the calcium into the bone.
Unknown Speaker 30:11
Yeah, here's the that's the important part, I'm glad you bring that up is two things. So vitamin D, if you get your levels up towards the higher end, it will help really well it will cause calcium to be released from the bones into circulation to things. Magnesium, the majority of our population is magnesium deficient. So magnesium will mobilize vitamin D from your fat stores into circulation where you want it and need it. But it will also push calcium back to the bone. So osteoporotic women, most of them aren't calcium deficient, they're magnesium deficient, if they had normal magnesium, their bones would be strong, because the magnesium helps in that balance to push calcium back to where it belongs in the bones. And vitamin K to the MK seven form is very, very important, you can literally reverse plaquing of the coronary arteries, with adequate amounts of vitamin K to so again, so many basic simple things we can do in medicine, instead of depending on pills and complex procedures. If we optimize this amazing gift of the human body with things that are widely available to us, and very inexpensive, we wouldn't need so much of these giant systems health care. Don't get me wrong. I mean, if I go to an emergency room with a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm glad there's an emergency room. But at the same time, there are things we can do for overall health and physiology that we should really focus on. And I'm glad that you've done that for your patients. That's your a rarity in medicine, that a doctor that will focus on that that very important thing?
Dr. Paul 31:43
Well, and sounds like you are as well, you touched on the T cell part of the immunity. And I just want to highlight that for our viewers. We've been brainwashed to thinking that if you have high antibodies, that means you're protected. And I mean, even doctors, right our peers seem to have lost that basic science of immunology, that it's really that T cell robust T cell immunity or innate immunity, prevents the infection from taking hold to begin with. The antibodies is sort of a secondary defense. And so if you have sky high antibodies, I don't think that's necessarily a good thing, is it?
Unknown Speaker 32:20
No, in fact, you know, you want your antibodies in a certain range. And people say oh gosh, my levels are higher, higher higher, well, actually when you have excess antibodies that can trigger auto immune reactions to so again, antibodies are triggered when you get an infected infected this adaptive immune response this memory B cells waking back up and starting to crank out antibodies. You know, that takes that takes days, if not weeks, sometimes during an infection. But to your point, that innate immune system, which consists of those certain types of T cells, macrophages that circulate monocytes, and then a type of cell in your skin called a dendritic cell and your lymph nodes, that 123 punch that innate, those are your frontline. And you know, those are your you want them to attack right away when something insults the body. That's what you want to have robust. You're absolutely right.
Dr. Paul 33:13
Yeah. Let's pivot to spike protein. This was the topic of your talk that was so powerful. The whole idea behind this quote, shot or vaccine, which I agree with you it's not a vaccine, it's immune. I can't call it therapy, it's manipulation of something. Population manipulation? Yeah, it just it's insanity. But the whole idea that they presented to us initially, and you know, I'm not an immunologist like you are in background was Oh, okay. So we're going to, we're going to inject it, it's just going to stay on the muscle, they told us, we knew very quickly, that didn't happen. And then you're going to make antibodies against the spike protein, and you'll be able to just get rid of future SARS, cov. Two, but what it's actually doing is somehow inserting into our own cells and creating the ability of our cells to make spike protein, which is the exact thing we're, that's the toxin,
Unknown Speaker 34:09
correct? Yeah. So we've really done a strange scientific procedure here. That doesn't make sense to me. The spike protein itself, in early on even in a congressional hearing, we knew about the antibody dependent enhancement we talked about that was talked about in a congressional hearing in the journal Nature in 2020. I want to say it was June, or may have been April, I did have to look up the article. They knew this was a problem too. Early on, the Salk Institute, looked at the Spike protein and said, Oh, we have a problem. This is causing inflammation of the lining of the blood vessels. Oh, guess what else? It's destroying the mitochondria, which is every cell in your body has mitochondria. It's the little factory for energy for every cell in your body. And so that's alkynes to two paper by Les that came out early on said, the spike protein in and of itself, absent the virus is causing problems. And then there were countless other papers that have come out Dr. Hagaman. And the European General Journal of immunology showed that the cells in your body that make the spike protein are now a target of your immune system to attack and destroy. So to have a cell making the spike now makes your own cell an enemy to the body. There was a really good paper by I'm going to blink on the author Castillo, maybe showing how many overlaps there are between the spike protein and other human proteins. And again, don't quote me on the author on that when I may have to go back look at that. But so many of these proteins that are our own cell proteins are very similar to the spike protein. This is a problem because that's how you start the cascade and the trigger into auto immune attacks on your own thyroid cells on your own joints on your own organs. So that was a problem. The other problem with the spike protein is it causes clotting, the spike protein, so early on SARS, cov, two and 2020. Before any shots at all. COVID was a clotting disease, because that spike protein on the virus, which would break off and circulate as well would trigger a bunch of different mechanisms that made clots form. So we're literally putting a protein gene into your cells, your cells are making a protein that induces clotting. So why are we hearing about sudden deaths? Why are we hearing about deep vein thrombosis and then saddle Embla and pulmonary Embla and people dying suddenly? Well, clotting is one of those main mechanisms as well. Here's the other problem, the spike protein is tiny enough that it can cross the blood brain barrier, the blood brain barrier in the human body is sacred. It's a special barrier that keeps things out of your neurons and keeps your neurons functioning. But when that barrier is breached, and something gets in there that doesn't belong there, now you get an inflammatory response, lots of cytokines, lots of other inflammatory cells. And, you know, certainly we heard about brain fog with infection. But gosh, what about the neurologic harms after the shot, that spike will go everywhere and this lipid nanoparticle the viruses reasonably big, I mean, it's small as far as viruses go, but generally, my colleague, Dr. Ersoy, I like his analogy. He says the virus needs a door to get through this lipid nanoparticle and Gene, they just need a crack under the door. So this lipid plus this gene go everywhere. Now they can make any cell in your body make the spike protein, including your brain, including your neurons. And this spike will also induce antibodies against your own myelin, you hear a lot of people with neuropathy and stinging and burning in their in their arms and their fingers and their legs and their toes. That's because it's forming antibodies against your own nerves and nerve sheath and nerve lining, and it forms an antibody against your platelets called platelet factor number four, this spike protein is toxic to the human body in so many, countless ways. I mean, I could send you a link of three, four or 500 different papers, just showing the toxicity of this little protein that we have made the human body make. And I mean, that's why the shots should have started or stopped from day one. Because we knew this bike was toxic, it's still toxic, the more we keep giving to people and encouraging people to cumulatively get a dose of a toxin. That's insane. I wouldn't sit at the dinner table and and say to a kid, hey, gosh, you know, there's just a little arsenic in tonight's mashed potatoes. And then the next night, say, you know, tonight, there's just a little more arsenic in your mashed potatoes and the next, you know, three months later, there's just no one would do that. And it's the same thing with the shots. Why are we slow poisoning a population with something that we know is toxic?
Dr. Paul 39:03
Yeah. So the mechanism that makes total sense to me is how you pointed out the spike can be manufactured by almost any tissue in our body now, once you're vaccinated. And I think, is it true that vaccines are causing a massive dose of Spike compared to maybe getting the natural illness?
Unknown Speaker 39:27
Yeah, that's a great point. So the so in unnatural infection, going back to what we've talked about your innate immune system says here's an invader, activates all your immune system says fight the virus, fight the virus, clear it out. So you may be sick and replicating virus. If we look at early studies, you're replicating virus for a handful of days to maybe a week and change and then it's gone. So in a natural infection. If the immune system is proper and you're taking care of your body, the virus has gone in days with a spike protein, and there were studies is from Dr. Ogata, Harvard that showed the spike was still in circulation after the injections for at least a month. Dr. Rolf GYN at Stanford and the journal Cell showed for at least two months, especially with the Madonna and the Pfizer because they have a substitute nucleotide called a pseudo urethane instead of our natural urethane, it doesn't break down. And so in these studies, they showed that for at least two months, and they stopped their study to publish, so probably longer than two months, the body is still making spike protein, Little pulses constant, that sequence that mRNA is still there, our body normally breaks down mRNA in minutes, two hours or sometimes a day. Because of this substitution in the synthetic nature of this sequence, it's persisting in the body and your body's like, Hmm, I guess, here's the message. I'm supposed to make more spike more spike more spike, constantly. That's not good.
Dr. Paul 40:57
Yeah, I've heard of, you know, people, vaccine manufacturers, they're very sneaky. They will do their safety studies for a week, maybe a month. Right? Very rarely do they do really long term studies. And it feels to me like I've read and heard of problems developing if they don't happen right away. A few months out. Does that make any sense as a?
Unknown Speaker 41:23
Yeah. So and this is again, like you mentioned, it's just a game they play, see safe and effective, no problem, nothing to see here. These are not the droids you're looking for. But really, at the end of the day, with a spike protein, especially in this new type of injection technology. With old vaccines, yeah, the most acute reactions would occur in the first couple of weeks, certainly. And most of those studies, obviously, they never even studied them against placebo. Same thing here with the shots, they crossed the placebo group over very quickly in the early trials. So now you don't get a signal of harm. With this spike, protein persisting and circulating Journal of immunology, Dr. Bansal show the spike protein circulating for at least four months. Knowing that the spike is toxic, can go anywhere in the body. An adverse reaction four months out is not uncommon. And if we look actually, at some of the statistical data done by certain statisticians here in the States, as well as in Europe, independently, they found that that that increased excess deaths second signal was at five months. So this chronic inflammation of your blood vessels, this irritation of the blood vessels, despite getting into heart tissues, and causing my own pericarditis, and young patients, getting into the brain causing clotting and strokes, etc. These signals where they say, well, nobody died in the first couple of days, or only that set percentage did and the majority of deaths do occur, you know, acute anaphylactic ly to components of the shot in the first few days. But there's still a signal going a couple of weeks out. But what's fascinating is these excess death signals are literally persisting for four or five months. And and the manufacturers and our agencies will say, well, it was too far out from the shot, it can't cause that. We've never given a gene a shot to humanity before. Of course, it can cause that we haven't studied these long term before, except for an animal's where they all failed. And then we didn't know in Madonna's trials with mRNA, it didn't work. It's scientific hubris, to think we have done something good. And it is an absolute overreach to think that this can't be a persistent harm for a long time. Now, I don't want to panic people. Fortunately, a lot of people are fine. You know, thank heavens. I think the manufacturing was poor because that it was ramped up quickly. I have a lot of hypotheses as to why a lot of people are fine and a lot of people aren't. There were hot, lots people got more damage from certain lots of shots than others due to concentrations of mRNA, etc. But I'm grateful a lot of people are okay. For now. But what happens in the future with another Coronavirus with those who are pre primed with the wrong antibodies? I don't know.
Dr. Paul 44:06
Yeah, it's certainly a concern. I'm real curious about something. You're a pathologist, you're looking under the microscope. What are you seeing that unique or different about this particular issue of Spike protein, the vaccine the illness itself?
Unknown Speaker 44:24
Yeah. So early on, obviously, I saw the clotting signal. So the micro clotting looking at a lot of biopsies, and you see these little clots and little vessels. So that was that was an early signal. Next signal was Gosh, after the shot rollout. Skin bumps, there are certain viruses, molluscum, contagiosum, shingles, etc. All of a sudden, I started seeing a much higher rate of those, but the unusual part was I was seeing Meloxicam and old people, you know, 5060 7080 And don't worry, I'm counting myself in that group. So but I started seeing that oh my gosh, we never see Meloxicam and old people this doesn't make sense. But then I'm like, Oh no, we have immune system dysregulation. So that was another signal. I'm like, Well, what else do these innate immune cells do? They keep cancer in check. And I saw a signal and I'm like, oh dear, and the signal wasn't increased in certain Women's Health types of cancer, also, a very important component of our T cells fighting office, certain cancers, melanoma, I diagnose a lot of melanoma, that's my subspecialty of expertise. And all of a sudden, I saw really aggressive melanomas. And every time they would roll out the shot to a younger group, I would see melanomas in younger patients. And immediately again, it all goes back to it is altering our innate immune response. There was a really good paper by Dr. fossa out of the Netherlands looking at Pfizer, and he said, we have a very concerning signal that the innate immune system is being altered by the shots. So that's that cancer signal was the next thing. And now I got lambasted in the national media for saying so for telling the truth. Science Advances by observation, if you see something, say something is what you hear in the airport every time you travel. Well, medicine far more importantly, because it's also life and death. If you see something, say something. And so I put it out there to my colleagues Well, everywhere I've traveled not just stateside, but internationally. I just got back from Norway and Sweden last week, been in France had been in England, I've been in Brazil, a lot of places with COVID experts in each of their respective nations, oncologists, surgical oncologists, radiology radiologists come to me, I am seeing astounding numbers of cancers in young patients that I have never seen in my 3040 years of practice. And what's brand new in society, the rollout of a gene based injection for the which we don't know the long term side effects. So the databases are going to be clear in a couple of years, the data reporting is always behind, sadly, the doctors are seeing it. They're observing it now as well. I've had several pathology colleagues come out and say, Yeah, gosh, we're seeing it too. I can't say anything. I'm in a university, I'll lose my job, et cetera. I'm like, well, humanity is more important than your job, you need to say something. So is it everybody know, do I want to panic? Everybody know. But here's another problem. You know, I talked about all those mechanisms earlier of the spike, the All of those can contribute to cancer pathways. But here's the other problem, the impurity of the shots, there's, there's something called micro RNAs. And so you think you're getting a gene base shot and this RM mRNA is pure? Well, and the European medicine agency, they showed it was only about 50%. Pure that means there are short sequences, tiny little mRNA fragments that may code for who knows what, not all of them code, but some can code for a tinier protein and a mid sized protein and an misfolded protein and your cells go I don't know what to do with that. And there's plenty of scientific literature over many years showing that micro RNAs are also a contributor to cancer pathways. Your mitochondria need energy in your cell. And if those mitochondria are destroyed, well, now you don't have the ability to fight off cancers. Micro clotting, cancer likes to grow in an oxygen low environment that micro clotting can induce there's so many things. So that's that's another big concern. Another reason to stop these shots, the signal is off the charts the potential human harm. And the sad thing is, you know, people who were stable in their cancers for 345 10 years, all of a sudden, their cancer has woken back up, and it's a wildfire. And I've seen cancer in patients that are in their 20s and 30s, and 40s. And they go from diagnosis to stage four disease in in like weeks, weeks to a couple of months. And that's unheard of in medicine. Does it happen on rare occasions, you bet. But we have this perfect storm of at least a dozen mechanisms, I have paper on about 20 mechanisms that this spiking cause that can trigger these cancer pathways. Again, I don't want to alarm everybody. But watch your health is something is different. Don't be afraid to go in now is part of that signal, the fact that some people didn't go to the hospital? Sure, that's part of the signal, but the acceleration rate of cancers. That's not because, you know, clinics were closed around the world for whatever number of months, because those patients still would have had just what we call indolent or just slow progressing cancers. When I talked to oncologist, they say, gosh, you know, we've been able to manage this type of cancer or this type or this type for many years, you know, the patient's going to have two years or five or 10 years, we know how to manage it. But when they see that type of cancer all of a sudden behaving in a super aggressive, fast manner. They know something's different as well.
Dr. Paul 49:39
Yeah. So doctors are peers are saying if you're high risk, you are the ones who should be at the front of the line to get the next COVID vaccine. And they're, you know, if you have heart disease, if you have cancer, if you have a suppressed immune system. It seems like those would be the last people you would want to give this shot to I like
Unknown Speaker 50:01
to, quote Mark Twain in some of my talks, the man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read. I don't know what my colleagues are reading, but it sure appears they're not reading, they have a confirmation bias going into safe and effective, they've been brainwashed into safe and effective when there is zero evidence that it's safe and zero evidence it's effective, especially since it's covering essentially extinct variants of this virus. So at this point, it's all risk zero benefit. So these individuals that have these underlying conditions will number one, try to address the underlying conditions, certainly, but number two, there are ways to optimize immune health, even in these individuals. And if you can't, there are early treatments that will inhibit the replication of virus. So these individuals should all have on hand early treatment. So if they do get sick, you can stop the virus from replicating. We need to I mean, autoimmune patients going back to our vitamin D conversation, what's the one commonality and most autoimmune conditions, those patients are vitamin D deficient, to try to get them and to optimize the immune system, you know, if people do believe in the antibody theory, you know, antibodies exists, but the more normal your vitamin D level is, the more robust your antibody responses as well. So these individuals with heart disease with autoimmune disease with immune suppression from cancer therapy, the last thing in the world you want to introduce into your into their body is a toxin. Four variants of a virus that are not in circulation anymore, and the next, try Vaillant quadrivalent, whatever, you know, COVID Gene base shot they come out with the virus will already be mutated ahead against that. And so to my colleagues, I I'm just begging you read the literature, outside of what your hospital administrator insurance company or pharmaceutical companies telling you to read. Because when you delve into what I know in the laboratory and what my colleagues know, and what my oncologists are seeing and what pediatricians like Dr. Thomas are saying, you don't need a toxin in your body that is more harmful than the infection itself. I call it COVID COVID. Now, because we're really on to COVID, 22. And Omicron is a cold for most people. But the more shots you get, the more toxic spike you get in your body, the more immune suppressed you will be. And that cumulative dose of a toxic protein will lead you at risk for neurologic disease, autoimmune disease, heart disease, heart inflammation, clotting in your blood vessels, strokes, and belie etc. It's time to stop this corrupt game.
Dr. Paul 52:46
Yeah, absolutely. And the increase in infections that you touched on, I mean, we're seeing way more herpes shingles, Epstein Barr Virus, RSV, I mean, we are, it is the worst. I've been doing this for 35 years, this is absolutely the worst and earliest spike of RSV I've ever seen
Unknown Speaker 53:05
very explainable to, you know, we've created a problem trying to solve another problem. So we keep creating problems. And what's the number three cause of death in, in America? I atherogenic. Doctor caused. I mean, that's the number three, I mean, between, you know, heart disease and cancer, we have Dr. cause death,
Dr. Paul 53:26
and we ran out of Fast. Fast forward to number one real quick here.
Unknown Speaker 53:30
If you're looking like that over time, I hope not I mean, I hope and pray for humanity, I hope the body can recover itself and can be amazingly resilient. And people will wake up and, and take charge of their own health because I like on the shows to say, look, the best doctor you ever meet is here right now. And it's not me or Dr. Thomas, it's you. You are your own best doctor if you choose to take care of your health.
Dr. Paul 53:52
Absolutely. Before we end, I want to address something that just shocked me when I was at the same conference that you spoke at these pictures of weird fibrous clots that look very different than a typical blood clot. I would think first of all, well, secondly, pathologists are the ones who usually do autopsies. Right? Correct. And my understanding was that there's sort of been almost a moratorium on autopsies, especially if it might be a death from COVID or the COVID vaccine. So therefore, if you don't look you don't find and now morticians are finding these clots. What what's going on with that?
Unknown Speaker 54:36
Okay, so Dr. Pretorius out of South Africa, she's done some brilliant work on on these clots and the mechanism and how the spike protein alone so you and I know you know when we have clotting cascades and our complement cascades and clotting cascades work together, this step, this step, this step, this step, this step and your platelets make this little patch, you know, you scrape your knee, you've got this little patchwork of tiny microscopic bandage or platelets II In the absence of platelets, that spike protein will cause proteins in the circulation to clump together. So some critics say, well, these clots are just forming after death. Well, the morticians never had trouble getting their embalming fluid into the arteries and veins before or on rare occasions, so all of a sudden, they're like, they get the backpressure. When they're trying to pump in the embalming fluid, they're like, What the heck, then they start pulling out these. And these are I mean, they're like rubber bands, these, these, I mean, look at that, that is horrendous. That is not normal. And so these consistently, are the consistency as I look at it, you know, on microscope slides, you know, which I've done dozens of these. So you know, we'll cut these and make sections, and then we'll look at them. There's an amyloid like protein, which is not normal in the human body that is accumulating. So this is it's an abnormal protein, it has sugars bound to it as well. And then it causes the other normal blood elements, fibrin, and you know, trapped red blood cells and white blood cells are in these as well. But the amount of the abnormal clump protein is what's concerning. And we know that s one fragment of the spike protein, fantastic studies, again, colleagues around the world don't believe me go read the studies by Dr. Pretorius. She has shown the makeup of these and how they form and what's happening. And does everybody get them Thankfully, no, eventually, five years, 10 years from now we're going to be able to go back and look at the genetics of who clotted who got auto immune, who got cancer, et cetera, et cetera. Genetically, we'll do a big look back. But if we can stop this now, let's stop this. But yeah. So again, panic, everybody, no concern that you're putting a gene into your body that makes a protein that makes this happen in many people. Yeah, that is a concern. And it's science. I mean, I'm not making this up. And then some colleagues are like, Oh, it only happens after death. Nope, I have more that interventional radiologists have pulled out of arteries have pulled out of legs have pulled out of the human body. So it's not just after death that these things are just congealing. And it's fascinating, because my colleague, Dr. Burkhardt in Germany, he and I met in Vienna, and we're going over some of the different tests to do and studies to find. He had this one patient, and every time she would get a little bit cold, extreme pain, kind of like run nodes in the fingers, multiple injected, so he drew her blood and literally could watch the little white strands start to form in her blood tube, and then spun it down and formed this big gelatinous mass, very similar to these. Is it happening in everyone know, is that a concern? Yes. Is it one of the many mechanisms that this spike is causing harm? It is? Is it real? Absolutely. It is. In lab medicine? Are we able to identify the makeup of these things? So far? Yeah, we've we've identified quite a bit of it, and we know mechanistically, what's causing it? It's the spike protein from these injections, stop getting these injections.
Dr. Paul 58:11
Wow. So I'm gonna have you close out with your final recommendations for children, pregnant women, everybody. But before we get to that, did I miss something that you feel is really important for people to know?
Unknown Speaker 58:24
You know, me, Dr. Thomas, I could nerd out for hours and I try to I know I get nerdy, I try to break it down to a level that people can kind of understand. At the end of the day, I think, you know, we've, we've gone over all these different harms. I tried to remain optimistic. That's kind of who I am as a human. And with all these things we've described, is this something you want your child? Do you want to put them at risk for this? Do you want to put that child at risk? I mean, sadly right here. This is slides from the heart of a young man, that's not with us anymore. So is this. I have stacks and stacks of slides of organs and tissues from not just here but around the world that have come to me so I can do these studies on them. Of these young individuals that after shot one or shot two are no longer with us. This shot does not work for this virus. This shot is dangerous to your child. And remember pregnant mom, you have a child within you. It may be this big, this big or this big. But all those things that we were discussing that spike protein can get into the placenta and destroy the placenta and calcify the placenta and choke it off that spike protein. And some of those antibodies can sneak across that lipid nanoparticle can remember it can go everywhere. It can go into the placenta into The umbilical cord into the baby and now the baby can start making spec protein. This, the mRNA has shown up in breast milk in studies. That means that lipid nanoparticle can go anywhere, everywhere and into any body secretion. The shot is not for any pregnant mom on the planet Earth, period. Agreed. End of story, this is not for any child under the age of 195.
Dr. Paul 1:00:30
Agreed. So kids of all ages, please take this information. Dr. Cole, thank you so much. You know, do your research, do your due diligence, but do not say yes to this jab, until you've really dug deep. And the thing is, once you look once you know you can't unknow and it becomes easy for you know, you and I to say, Oh, no way, we're not putting this in our bodies.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:02
And we took an oath, we took an oath to the patient, I never took an oath to a three letter government agency, I didn't take an oath to some bureaucrat, I didn't take an oath to a pharmaceutical company, I took an oath to the patient, My sacred duty, your sacred duty is to first do no harm. And when we see these signals of harm, it behooves us and all of our colleagues, many of them are waking up to the harms. Now. It behooves all of us to stand forward, protect that patient, and, and value life over anything else. And so I mean, I'm, I'm just one guy, one voice in this battle with you, Dr. Thomas, and other people just trying to protect humanity. And at the end of the day, it's because we care, we have zero to gain from it. I've lost just about everything in terms of attacks and insurance contracts and business, etc. I know what you've gone through. If if you want to understand the silence, listen to the silenced.
Dr. Paul 1:02:02
Yeah, absolutely. It you have to be willing to risk at all. And thank you, Dr. Cole, I know you are actually doing that right now. By sharing I know you're traveling the world speaking the truth. And you have, you've got that microscopic view and you've got those test tubes. I mean, the evidence is bam, right here. And we need your voice. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Keep doing what you're doing. And I can't wait to rub elbows with you at another conference soon.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:33
Thank you, Dr. Thomas. And thanks for all you do. And like I mentioned earlier, the invite is extended. If you want to come spend a relaxing day on the farm. I know we're not too far from each other. So be great to see you in person. And yeah, thanks for all you do as well.
Dr. Paul 1:02:48
We'll definitely do it.
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