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With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 195: Pediatric Perspectives: The Religion of Vaccines with Aaron Siri, Esq.
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• Dr. Paul — 25.4%
• Aaron Siri, Esq. — 74.6%
Dr. Paul
00:00:40:34 – 00:01:05:39 VAX facts this book hits bookstores December 10th. You can get a copy now by going to VAX Facts book.com, where you can get a signed author's copy, where you can order an e-book, or you can also preorder the book if you are seeing this message before December 10th. You can also order this book at any bookseller, any bookstore, wherever books are sold, and preorder your copy.
Dr. Paul
00:01:05:53 – 00:01:17:28 Get this book for your loved ones, for your family, for yourself, and let's get healthy.
Dr. Paul
00:01:35:19 – 00:01:51:31 Good morning and welcome to Pediatric Perspectives, where we're looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking, one that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. And I have a guest for you today. I am so excited. Welcome, Aaron. Siri.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:01:51:36 – 00:01:52:19 Touch your beer.
Dr. Paul
00:01:52:30 – 00:02:13:16 You are my absolute favorite attorney and I just have to do, thank you on blast here for what you did for me when I was at my worst. I was fighting the medical board and going up against that. And you gave me a free consultation and said, Paul, I'm willing to come and cross-examine all your experts. There.
Dr. Paul
00:02:13:21 – 00:02:33:01 But it's a kangaroo court. There's no victory. There's no win. They will find you guilty of something. Fine. You enormous fines. It's a closed hearing. We can't talk about it. I see no win. And I just have to thank you. Because of that, I was able to make the tough decision. I was in the fight because I knew I was right, and it was like for the principle of it all.
Dr. Paul
00:02:33:05 – 00:02:44:58 But it was like a dead end. And so instead we got to sue the medical board ourselves. And I got that massive pressure relieved. So massive. Thank you to you.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:02:44:58 – 00:02:48:25 You should never found yourself in that position to begin with for doing the right thing. But please.
Dr. Paul
00:02:48:25 – 00:03:10:59 You're the managing partner at Syrian games that, law degree from University of California, Berkeley School of Law. You were the editor in chief at the Berkeley Business Law Journal. You've clerked for the chief justice of Supreme Court of Israel. You've had high profile cases challenging government mandates during Covid 19. Big advocate for informed consent. Huge fan. You did vaccine litigation.
Dr. Paul
00:03:10:59 – 00:03:21:49 You've done civil rights class action lawsuits. And I think it was your team, your work that forced Pfizer and Moderna to release the Covid data that they wanted to keep hidden for 75 years, right?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:03:21:54 – 00:03:23:41 Yeah, we forced the FDA to release it.
Dr. Paul
00:03:23:42 – 00:03:44:01 Absolutely fantastic. Most importantly, I'm so excited about your new book, vaccines. Amen. The Religion of Vaccines. We're going to dig into that. And I'm also going to ask you a question or some of our viewers. A lot of our viewers are parents, and some of them experienced this dilemma of they're in a state where they don't have any philosophical or religious exemptions.
Dr. Paul
00:03:44:06 – 00:04:05:08 What do we do? We don't want to vaccinate. We'll touch on that because I'm interested in your legal perspective. But before we get to that, let's jump into the issues that the book has raised. We're always hearing that vaccines are safe and effective. I think you've done a great job dispelling that myth. Can you describe the safety testing of vaccines?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:04:05:13 – 00:04:42:08 Oh, well, as I went as I go through in detail in chapter ten, despite what they tell you about the clinical trials for childhood vaccines and for vaccines in general. One, not a single routine injected childhood vaccine has ever been licensed based on a placebo controlled trial, meaning the control group got something inert. And that's critically important, because if you want to assess the safety of a product, you have to compare it to a group that got the product to a group that got something inert, where you know the absolute safety.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:04:42:13 – 00:05:09:32 Not only that, when they used another vaccine as a control, which you could do if it was properly safety tested, that vaccine never went through a proper, placebo controlled trial, nor any other vaccine down the chain. That's just a fact. I know that they fact check that claim, but that is a fact. And I say to, you know, every single FDA source document to support it for every single routine injector, tell the vaccine.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:05:09:32 – 00:05:30:40 But here's the thing. Even if they had done a included a placebo control group in any of those trials, you still need to review safety long enough. And oftentimes they only review safety for days or weeks after injection. That's just not long enough to assess the safety of these products. And sometimes maybe up to six months. Still not long enough.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:05:30:40 – 00:05:55:23 When you're talking about a baby or a toddler, even if they had a placebo control and they reviewed safety long enough, you still need to have enough kids in the trial, meaning it needs to be properly powered. And most of these trials don't have anywhere near enough kids to show that the benefits outweigh the risks. So not a single one of the clinical trials relied upon to license any of the routine.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:05:55:23 – 00:06:06:58 Inject a child. The vaccines, validated their safety before licensure. That's just a fact. It's plain to see when you actually look at the FDA documents and when you don't read CNN articles or the New York Times.
Dr. Paul
00:06:07:07 – 00:06:29:25 That is so powerful. And you you spell that out so clearly, no proper placebos. The trials aren't long enough. They don't look at all health outcomes, right? I mean, they're underpowered, tiny sizes. And yet they publish this as if this is the science. And we were hearing that nonsense. Follow the science. It was just garbage, right? They love the case that you make in your book.
Dr. Paul
00:06:29:29 – 00:06:46:07 That vaccines and vaccines, science is more of a religion, not a science. And I mean, I you start off by kind of talking about the high priests of vaccinology here, and maybe even go a little bit into that and your deposition of Stanley Plotkin and how important that was.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:06:46:14 – 00:07:09:20 I call it a religion, because in many ways it is in the following way. For example, they claim no vaccines have been robustly trialed before licensure. Right? Right. Then when you confront them with the data, you say, hey, look, here is the clinical trial report for a combo vaccine. Be one of the only two happy vaccines you give to a newborn.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:07:09:25 – 00:07:32:51 It shows in black and white with letters that you can read. And it was licensed based on a clinical trial that monitored safety for five days after injection. With only 147 kids. No control. That's what it shows. That's what the package shows. That's what the clinical trial report shows. That's the summary basis of approval shows. That's what the published study relating to the trial shows.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:07:32:51 – 00:07:54:26 That's what it all shows okay. The other vaccine happy vaccine was four days safety monitoring. So you confront them with, you know, whether it's the infectious disease doctor or the immunologist or whoever it is, some other you know, you name it, that I've deposed or, folks that I deal with all the time on the court, so to speak.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:07:54:31 – 00:08:26:05 Who are the believers who are part of this religion? And instead of the reaction being, oh, that's what the data shows, I should look at that. I should start thinking, that's not the reaction you get. What you get is you get, an emotional reaction. You get a disbelief, you get excuses, meaning you get the reaction that somebody would have when they're have a belief, not when they're engaged in intellectual, scientific exercise with religion.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:08:26:10 – 00:08:53:19 Everybody knows it's a leap of faith. Are people involved with religion understand that they are believing? Where do we come from? Where do we go after we die? The unanswerable. But these folks, what makes it so pernicious? They think they're being scientific. They think that what they know is based on data studies, but it's not. It's just dogma, repetition and belief.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:08:53:24 – 00:08:58:36 Yeah. And that's often why they have an emotional reaction when confronted with the data. That's why I call it a religion.
Dr. Paul
00:08:58:41 – 00:09:27:18 Yeah. No, I mean, I was mainstream trained pediatrician and I believed vaccines were safe and effective, but I had not looked at the data, and if I had tried, I wouldn't have been able to find it. Right. That's what you've pointed out in this book. I mean, it is ridiculous that in all this time there are no proper safety studies that you mentioned in the book, and maybe you can speak to this a little bit, the 1986 act, how did that affect this whole vaccine safety issue?
Dr. Paul
00:09:27:18 – 00:09:35:30 Because I think it's a big problem. And then in my second part of my question is, can we get rid of the darn thing? What do you what do you recommend?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:09:35:35 – 00:09:59:37 The 1986 act is an incredible problem. I'll start with the second question to it's an act to Congress. And so Congress would have to repeal it. I'm sure everybody in your audience already knows that the 86 act is the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, and it was passed, in reaction to, all of the injuries that were being caused by the then only three routine vaccines.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:09:59:37 – 00:10:28:27 That's it, OPV, MMR, and DTP. That's all there was back then, but they were causing so much harm, so much, and hence so much liability for the companies making them, that every single company that was making those three products was going out of business, or stopped making them until it was only one left. Now that happens to industries, they face a fork in the road, right for their products, causing all kinds of harms or injuries.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:10:28:32 – 00:10:46:43 So you do a recall, you do an improvement. You make a better product. You don't just get rid of cars when the, you know, gas tanks were exploding back in the 70s, you made a better gas tank. You don't just get rid of, you know, every, you know, I'm building materials because that is Festus. You make a building material without best Festus.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:10:46:43 – 00:11:16:19 Right? You improve it. But here, in an unprecedented move, Congress did something it's never done before or really never done since. It said to those three vaccine makers, hey, you know what guys? You don't need to make a better, safer product. You don't need to improve it. So you stop killing and injuring kids. Instead, we're just going to make it so that they can't see you and they can't hold you accountable and force you to make a better, safer product.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:11:16:21 – 00:11:39:01 We're going to make it so nobody can ever see you on that basis again, not only for those three products, but for any other childhood routine vaccine thereafter. And we've gone there for from three injections in the first year of life. That's what the CDC schedule had in the in 1986 to now, 29 injections, including in utero by the first year of life.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:11:39:05 – 00:12:04:31 And every one of those products, save one, was licensed, trialed and licensed by a pharma company. Knowing that they would never be held accountable for the injuries and deaths that they cause on the basis, or that they could have made those products safer. That's a credible moral hazard. And I'll just for one final point on that, to tie it back to clinical trials.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:12:04:35 – 00:12:24:52 And it's this clinical trials are critical because after a vaccine is licensed, they say it's unethical to do a placebo controlled trials. You need that before its license because you can't do it thereafter. It's the only way to really typically show causation between a claimed injury and a product, so often.
Dr. Paul
00:12:24:54 – 00:12:26:43 Trials and not doing them.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:12:26:47 – 00:12:43:45 And why they do them with drugs. You know why? Because we drugs that are liable after the product was marketed and they don't want to lose money. They don't want to lose money when they sell drugs, cars, every other product with vaccines, they have the opposite financial incentive.
Dr. Paul
00:12:43:50 – 00:12:44:35 Yeah.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:12:44:40 – 00:12:47:46 The more safety they do before and the more like they lose money.
Dr. Paul
00:12:47:46 – 00:13:11:01 So parents have to understand when you say okay to a vaccine, you are actually taking all the liability on yourself, because if your child is harmed, there's no way you can turn to you. You have to take care of that child for the rest of their lives. You can't take the vaccine out right? And they're supposed to be in post post-vaccine release surveillance for it, for problems.
Dr. Paul
00:13:11:01 – 00:13:19:14 And what's how's that been going? Because I did the 1986 act require a certain amount of reporting be done?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:13:19:19 – 00:13:41:31 Yes. The 1986 act required the creation what is effectively become the Vaccine adverse events reporting system. There's which is a passive reporting system. And, the CDC and our health authorities have done everything possible to say it's garbage and unreliable. Right. They'll use it to say a vaccine doesn't cause a harm, but they will never use it to say that a vaccine cause arm.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:13:41:31 – 00:14:03:49 They say you can't do that. The 86 act also required the creation is called something called vaccine information statements that are supposed to be given to the parent that, among other things, disclose certain risks from the vaccines. And, those over time have been watered down. For example, in my book, I describe a deposing the, high priest, the vaccinology doctor Stanley Plotkin.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:14:03:54 – 00:14:23:58 You know, during a deposition, I showed him, for example, that the vaccine information statement produced by the CDC for the MMR vaccine literally says as a risk, brain damage. It says brain damage. Those are the words it use can be caused by the MMR vaccine. Well, he didn't like that. He actually after the deposition, got the CDC to remove it.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:14:24:05 – 00:14:46:57 We have the internal emails from FOIA requests. So, yes. There were some requirements under the 86 act to track adverse events, but they've been incredibly watered down. And, you know, one only need to look at the Institute of Medicine reports over the years to see they've basically utterly failed to study post licensure safety of vaccines.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:14:46:57 – 00:14:49:36 I laid all that out in chapter 11 of my book.
Dr. Paul
00:14:49:41 – 00:15:13:32 Yeah. So the Institute of Medicine, which we doctors used to give a lot of credibility to, I mean, these were supposed to be the best of the best tasked to find the world literature on this issue of vaccine safety. And I think you press them, right. Or you've done the deep dive to figure out that basically they don't they can't come up with anything.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:15:13:37 – 00:15:41:52 Or wasn't, you know, the irony wasn't me pressing them. The Institute of Medicine, for those who don't know, it's not part of government. It was created by Congress, but it's a private organization outside of government now. It's often contracted by government to do reviews of science. It's now called the National Academy of Medicine, the CDC and and then, an agency called Herzog, which is administers the vaccine, injury program over at HHS.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:15:41:56 – 00:16:08:37 They paid a lot of money to the Institute of Medicine to review what they said, what they said were the 158 most commonly claimed vaccine injury pairs. So, you know, people were claiming they had encephalopathy, brain damage from MMR vaccine. You go down the list, okay, these are all serious injuries. And so the Institute of Medicine went and they did what they were paid to do.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:16:08:37 – 00:16:31:09 They went and reviewed the literature, all of the literature to see, okay, can we rule out the vaccines causing these injuries? Obviously, that's what CDC and herself wanted the IOM to do. That's what they were paying them essentially do like, hey guys, rule these out. Okay. You know, the problem is that the Institute of Medicine, they can't just create stuff that doesn't exist.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:16:31:14 – 00:16:52:26 So for what, over 130 of those, the Institute of Medicine had no choice but to say, sorry, we can't reach a conclusion that the vaccine doesn't cause it because you guys haven't done the studies. You know, we can't. There's no studies to even show this. So what? We can't conclude it. So it's not me pressing them the CDC.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:16:52:26 – 00:17:16:28 And here's the shot themselves in the foot effectively by commissioning this report. And the IOM coming back and saying, yeah, basically you folks haven't really done any post licensure safety literature, even for 130 over 130 of the 158 most commonly claim injuries. By your own admission, those are the ones you say, and these are the ones that, by the way, often happen pretty quickly after vaccination.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:17:16:41 – 00:17:23:44 There's a lot of other injuries that are associated with vaccines. They just didn't need to pay IOM because they could. They're a lot more easily ignore them.
Dr. Paul
00:17:23:47 – 00:17:43:16 So we have no valid studies showing that vaccines are safe. You know, you've got in your book that, you know, this idea that vaccinology and vaccines are a religion. What are the key beliefs of those who subscribe to this?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:17:43:21 – 00:18:17:51 Sure. So, and just to put it in context, if I may, the, you know, people think of doctors as knowledgeable about vaccines, right? But the reality is, is that the folks who know about vaccines are the vaccinologist. And then doctors like you who've actually looked into it, who are very, very few to your credit, and the Vaccinologist are this very small group of folks who conduct the clinical trials, who do most of the post licensure safety, for whatever it's worth.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:18:17:51 – 00:18:37:58 And the little bit that's done and they write the medical textbooks on vaccines, that is then what is used by the FDA to license vaccines by the CDC to recommend vaccines, which then filters down to the rest of the medical community. And then is what the public looks to as the guidance on vaccines. So it all starts with the vaccinologist, right?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:18:38:02 – 00:18:59:08 What they do permeates down through the entire medical profession, the health agencies and the public. Their beliefs are what critical. It's why I start the book by talking about them and and showing through the deposition of the high priest, the vaccinology doctor Stanley Park, and really their leader on how they think. Here's how they think of their beliefs.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:18:59:08 – 00:19:12:49 First of all, they approach vaccine safety as follows. If there's nothing, if there's no data to show the vaccine doesn't cause the harm, you say the vaccine doesn't cause the harm, but you should say is, I don't know.
Dr. Paul
00:19:12:50 – 00:19:13:21 We don't know.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:19:13:21 – 00:19:45:11 Because if you don't have data, you shouldn't say the vaccine doesn't cause the harm, but that's not the way they do it. They say the vaccine doesn't cause the harm you. And I'll give you a real world example. Just from a month or two ago at the last CDC ACIp meeting, the chief medical officer of the vaccine, the Immunization Safety office, the CDC stood up and said to the world and to the CDC, ACIp committee that the IOM found the HIV vaccine was safe, said something to that effect.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:19:45:16 – 00:20:12:56 Wow. Well, here's the crazy part. The IOM report, 20 of the 21 serious conditions that it reviewed that were the most commonly claim injuries from the happy vaccine. It said, sorry, guys, you haven't done the studies. Don't know if you causes it doesn't cause it. But yet here you go. Here you have the chief medical officer at the CDC immunization safety office saying that shows it is safe.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:20:13:01 – 00:20:39:10 That's ridiculous. That's shows you don't know if it's safe at best, at best. So that's a first belief. Another belief is that they engage in is that if you're going to validate a vaccine, causes an injury they want to have, not only are they want epidemiological studies proving it, they want biological studies. Essentially, they want studies that show the biological mechanism of exactly how that vaccine causes an injury.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:20:39:14 – 00:20:52:57 But inversely, to show a vaccine as a benefit, they'll use the weakest, most ridiculous observational data they can find. So, you know, that's that's I can keep going. But that, in a nutshell, is how that religion works.
Dr. Paul
00:20:53:06 – 00:21:19:23 Absolute insanity. And that's why it's so hard to argue with these people, because I, I remember early on, when I was starting to get my understanding what was going on, they can hammer out, you know, these, these, high priests, whether it's Plotkin or Paul Offit or Peter Hotez, they can hammer out some details of their poorly done epidemiological studies that are flawed, but they know them so well they can bury you with irrelevant facts.
Dr. Paul
00:21:19:28 – 00:21:25:41 Kind of like tobacco science, right? They set those studies up to prove that there was nothing to see here.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:21:25:48 – 00:21:47:03 I would very gladly get on a stage tomorrow with any one of them, and go through the studies with them and debate them on it. I mean, it's they're not, you know, they're they're not hard to show how the underlying studies that they do rely upon do not support the safety vaccines. They have a handful of them.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:21:47:08 – 00:22:11:17 So after I depose Doctor Stanley Plotkin, you know, he went on this worldwide tirade, including trying to get the World Health Organization and getting them to declare, you know, vaccine hesitancy, one of the ten most, you know, leading risks in the world, dangers. He tried to have the package in search for vaccines amended to include more clinical trial data failed at that because there is no placebo.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:22:11:20 – 00:22:34:56 There is no really. He got, like I told you, some stuff removed from the VA's, like brain damage. And one of the other things he did is he got, as far as I'm aware, the children's hospital in Philadelphia, Chop, where Paul Offit is Doctor Paul Offit, is to create a whole library so that those who are going to be in his situation, again, can defend vaccine safety.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:22:35:01 – 00:23:08:56 Well, I appreciate it. First of all, I'm honored that they created a library for that. But but put a put put that great on our side. That library is the ultimate testament to the lack of foundation to support vaccine safety. The studies that are in that library are the epitome of either junk science, nonsensical or irrelevant. And if somebody actually took the time to go through that library, it's not a lot and looked at, okay, what are the studies they say that show the lunar margins are safe?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:23:08:56 – 00:23:17:23 What are the studies that underlie, you know, go through it all. You're like, really? Oh my goodness. It raises the concern to a fever pitch.
Dr. Paul
00:23:17:28 – 00:23:21:16 Yeah. The studies are all flawed. And so how can you rely on them.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:23:21:27 – 00:23:46:59 This is the best part. You're going to love this okay. When they conduct reviews of studies they don't like they will say, well it doesn't have an unvaccinated group so they can throw it out. I'm not I'm not kidding. I could show you innumerable examples that dozens the AQ, the agency for Health Research and Quality within HHS did this entire review of vaccine safety and basically said, well, you know what?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:23:46:59 – 00:24:12:44 If this study doesn't have an unvaccinated group, it's not really reliable. They said that yet. When the study supports the conclusion they want, all of a sudden they don't care about an unvaccinated group. Here's the thing. As you know, the studies that had an unvaccinated group, meaning science, you compare a group that got something exposed to unexposed. That's how you assess the safety of a product.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:24:12:49 – 00:24:22:32 The studies that have truly unexposed group, meaning kids with no vaccines, all show that they are far healthier than the kids who get vaccines almost universally.
Dr. Paul
00:24:22:37 – 00:24:27:02 So true. That's what my study showed. And we've got now several that are showing the same thing.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:24:27:02 – 00:24:28:23 I think your study all the time.
Dr. Paul
00:24:28:35 – 00:24:48:33 Well, thank you. Real world data. I mean, my analyst who got that data said Paul, this is unbelievable. This is more powerful than any epidemiological study because it's real world data. You know, these patients and I did, and I saw it with my own eyes. That's why I'm so passionate about this topic, because I saw how incredibly healthy the next kids were.
Dr. Paul
00:24:48:38 – 00:25:08:53 And what a disaster it's become to have kids follow the CDC schedule or even get a few vaccines. There's just no safety in any of them. But before I lose you, I know we're at a time restriction. Parents who are caught in this bind of they're in a state that only allows medical exemptions, but no doctor will give them a medical exemption.
Dr. Paul
00:25:08:58 – 00:25:11:29 As an attorney, what can you advise they do.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:25:11:42 – 00:25:32:41 In 45 states in the United States right now? You can get an exemption. You can get a, either a philosophical or religious exemption. And so, you know, I'm not aware, by the way, of a religion that if you believe doing something will harm your child, let you do that. I'm not saying that you should write that as reason.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:25:32:46 – 00:25:54:20 You should write, you know, the reasons that that are, you know, true for you. If you have to write anything. But in almost every one of those 45 states, it's just to check the box. Then there's West Virginia, which we are, where the where the the state health department is issuing religious exemptions. But the school board, the, is, is telling schools not to honor them.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:25:54:20 – 00:26:18:34 And we're in litigation right now. We hope to have that issue fixed up pretty soon so that these
four states really, that's New York, Maine, Connecticut and California. And so if you're in one of those four states, it really varies by state. What you can do. Now, I'm talking only about school, like in New York State, for example, you can go to university with an exemption.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:26:18:34 – 00:26:40:27 That's still part of the law in California. All all the universities, pretty much, except for a very few, grant religious exemptions. You know, we sue the University of California system and, you know, after a number of suits, they finally restored the religious exemption to all 300,000 of their students. So we're just talking about school in these states, pretty much.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:26:40:32 – 00:27:12:46 And, you know, if you're in one of these states in New York state, for example, the determination on whether you have and I'm not giving legal advice directly to anybody, them just talking in general, you know, schools, the, the arbiter of whether to accept the medical exemption is really the head of the school. So the head of a private school could choose to accept your medical exemption, whereas in California, for example, you have to send it to the, you know, to the health department, and they conduct a review and basically, you know, go on.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:27:12:50 – 00:27:41:23 Either will go on to deny typically or and then go on an inquisition against the doctor that wrote it. So doctors don't even want to write one in California. So, if you're in one of those four states, it is a tough there are, you know, there are different approaches in California, for example. There are quote unquote, these homeschool schools that will teach your school, your child in a classroom setting, but only up to 49% okay, of the time.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:27:41:28 – 00:28:01:29 So they go to school, they sit in the class. It's just like school, but it's only up to 49% of the time. The rest of it is homeschooled in school. Which also can involve, you know, learning with others and so forth and whatnot. With all that said, we are currently, you know, litigating and working very hard.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:28:01:34 – 00:28:24:15 You know, I was supported by a canyon, you know, the nonprofit that I supports that work to restore the, exemption and those four remaining states. And we hope that that will be a reality. You know, in the coming years. I'll put it that way. The wheels of justice, as it were, turned slow. And it takes time to work your way through the court system.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:28:24:20 – 00:28:49:21 So, not the most satisfactory answer, I know, but it depends on the state you're in. And even in Maine, there are there are differences in the private and the public schools. So, you know, for the most part, really, you know, with New York and Cali being the the toughest places you can get a school without without having to, to get vaccine and any vaccine if you want.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:28:49:21 – 00:29:10:14 I mean, there's very few context where it's not possible. I can't I mean, I also mentioned that, you know, we have an extensive exemption practice at my law firm. We have over 50 people that just do vaccine related work. So like we have, you know, for example, we have you know,
three immigration attorneys in large part to help people immigrate legally, obviously, with get waivers for vaccination.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:29:10:14 – 00:29:14:28 We've gotten, I think, over 700 of those virtually almost. That is.
Dr. Paul
00:29:14:28 – 00:29:17:39 Fantastic. How do you get to that service?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:29:17:44 – 00:29:40:57 Oh, well, Siri llp.com is my law firm's website. And, you know, we help people with, immigration exemptions. We help with, school exemptions, university. And, you know, clinical rotations are now big issue because while the school is, you know, might have an exemption and the hospital might have an exemption because they have to under title seven, we know a clinical rotation.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:29:40:57 – 00:29:58:52 You're not in school and you're not an employee. So you're like in this netherworld. So we help people get exemptions in that weird context. And we also do immigration exemption. So we help folks in all of those areas if they want, they go our website. We also have a lot of free resources on our website. So you can just take a look at it.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:29:58:57 – 00:30:03:44 You know, on the exemption page and, and see if any of that's helpful as well.
Dr. Paul
00:30:03:49 – 00:30:10:58 Wonderful. Thank you for that work. Your representation is available in all 50 states or is it limited to certain states.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:30:11:02 – 00:30:31:05 Or we represent people injured by vaccines in all 50 states? We have a lot of folks at the firm we are in. Our attorneys are licensed and almost, you know, most a large majority of the states, including the most populous one. So I've never done the math, but I think it's like 80% of the American population. We got licensed.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:30:31:05 – 00:30:36:08 So we're able to help folks in most parts of the country, depending on the issue.
Dr. Paul
00:30:36:13 – 00:31:05:10 That's fantastic. Well, thank you. And you are one of my heroes for sure. I appreciate all the work you're doing, people, you have got to go and get this book. This is a masterpiece. Thank you for doing that. And and there's something special about an attorney I learned from you, actually, that when an attorney is prepared and you go into court and cross-examine or do discovery, you are getting really getting to the bottom of it.
Dr. Paul
00:31:05:10 – 00:31:17:59 You're getting to the truth. People are afraid to lie on under oath, in a legal environment,
whereas we get lied to all the time in the system. Thank you for holding people's feet to the fire and getting to the truth.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:31:18:04 – 00:31:39:53 Yeah, there's a difference between what public health authorities tell you, the public, and what they say under oath and his deposition, or what they have to admit when you force them to provide the proof or evidence for their claims. And those are two different worlds. That's basically my whole book in a nutshell. I think you just summed it up and really thank you, for being brave.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:31:39:58 – 00:32:02:31 And, you know, as an attorney, if I speak out on vaccines, you know, I don't have a medical board that's going to come after me. I don't have, you know, that pressure and constant threat. Whereas you especially as a pediatrician, you know, it takes a lot to look back and introspectively say, hey, you know, maybe I need to change course.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:32:02:31 – 00:32:22:34 And you did that. And if every doctor you know was willing to do that, who's engaged in these products, this thing was changed. So thank you for for sticking your neck out. Literally, literally sticking it out to the, you know, the, you know, the guillotine of, of medical boards. And that's really what they are. They are the judge.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:32:22:39 – 00:32:33:51 They're the jury, the executioner. They are you know, it's and there's almost no judicial review, unfortunately, in the state that you were in. So they can basically, for the most part, act with impunity.
Dr. Paul
00:32:33:56 – 00:32:34:58 I mean, and they did.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:32:35:02 – 00:32:48:31 And they did. And, but you stood strong and I, you know, I, I do remember that process, and I, man, I, I was like, I love this guy. He is not giving up. He does not care. He will stand for what's right.
Dr. Paul
00:32:48:31 – 00:33:04:23 So I was willing to go down fighting. But you you knocked some common sense into my head. And I do thank you for that because we want to be effective. We want to do what works and, what you're offering now with this new book and then all the work you continue to do is it's a gift to the world.
Dr. Paul
00:33:04:23 – 00:33:06:04 Thank you, Aaron, for all you're doing.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:33:06:09 – 00:33:06:55 Thank you.
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Dr. Paul
00:00:40:34 – 00:01:05:39 VAX facts this book hits bookstores December 10th. You can get a copy now by going to VAX Facts book.com, where you can get a signed author's copy, where you can order an e-book, or you can also preorder the book if you are seeing this message before December 10th. You can also order this book at any bookseller, any bookstore, wherever books are sold, and preorder your copy.
Dr. Paul
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Dr. Paul
00:01:35:19 – 00:01:51:31 Good morning and welcome to Pediatric Perspectives, where we're looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking, one that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. And I have a guest for you today. I am so excited. Welcome, Aaron. Siri.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:01:51:36 – 00:01:52:19 Touch your beer.
Dr. Paul
00:01:52:30 – 00:02:13:16 You are my absolute favorite attorney and I just have to do, thank you on blast here for what you did for me when I was at my worst. I was fighting the medical board and going up against that. And you gave me a free consultation and said, Paul, I'm willing to come and cross-examine all your experts. There.
Dr. Paul
00:02:13:21 – 00:02:33:01 But it's a kangaroo court. There's no victory. There's no win. They will find you guilty of something. Fine. You enormous fines. It's a closed hearing. We can't talk about it. I see no win. And I just have to thank you. Because of that, I was able to make the tough decision. I was in the fight because I knew I was right, and it was like for the principle of it all.
Dr. Paul
00:02:33:05 – 00:02:44:58 But it was like a dead end. And so instead we got to sue the medical board ourselves. And I got that massive pressure relieved. So massive. Thank you to you.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:02:44:58 – 00:02:48:25 You should never found yourself in that position to begin with for doing the right thing. But please.
Dr. Paul
00:02:48:25 – 00:03:10:59 You're the managing partner at Syrian games that, law degree from University of California, Berkeley School of Law. You were the editor in chief at the Berkeley Business Law Journal. You've clerked for the chief justice of Supreme Court of Israel. You've had high profile cases challenging government mandates during Covid 19. Big advocate for informed consent. Huge fan. You did vaccine litigation.
Dr. Paul
00:03:10:59 – 00:03:21:49 You've done civil rights class action lawsuits. And I think it was your team, your work that forced Pfizer and Moderna to release the Covid data that they wanted to keep hidden for 75 years, right?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:03:21:54 – 00:03:23:41 Yeah, we forced the FDA to release it.
Dr. Paul
00:03:23:42 – 00:03:44:01 Absolutely fantastic. Most importantly, I'm so excited about your new book, vaccines. Amen. The Religion of Vaccines. We're going to dig into that. And I'm also going to ask you a question or some of our viewers. A lot of our viewers are parents, and some of them experienced this dilemma of they're in a state where they don't have any philosophical or religious exemptions.
Dr. Paul
00:03:44:06 – 00:04:05:08 What do we do? We don't want to vaccinate. We'll touch on that because I'm interested in your legal perspective. But before we get to that, let's jump into the issues that the book has raised. We're always hearing that vaccines are safe and effective. I think you've done a great job dispelling that myth. Can you describe the safety testing of vaccines?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:04:05:13 – 00:04:42:08 Oh, well, as I went as I go through in detail in chapter ten, despite what they tell you about the clinical trials for childhood vaccines and for vaccines in general. One, not a single routine injected childhood vaccine has ever been licensed based on a placebo controlled trial, meaning the control group got something inert. And that's critically important, because if you want to assess the safety of a product, you have to compare it to a group that got the product to a group that got something inert, where you know the absolute safety.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:04:42:13 – 00:05:09:32 Not only that, when they used another vaccine as a control, which you could do if it was properly safety tested, that vaccine never went through a proper, placebo controlled trial, nor any other vaccine down the chain. That's just a fact. I know that they fact check that claim, but that is a fact. And I say to, you know, every single FDA source document to support it for every single routine injector, tell the vaccine.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:05:09:32 – 00:05:30:40 But here's the thing. Even if they had done a included a placebo control group in any of those trials, you still need to review safety long enough. And oftentimes they only review safety for days or weeks after injection. That's just not long enough to assess the safety of these products. And sometimes maybe up to six months. Still not long enough.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:05:30:40 – 00:05:55:23 When you're talking about a baby or a toddler, even if they had a placebo control and they reviewed safety long enough, you still need to have enough kids in the trial, meaning it needs to be properly powered. And most of these trials don't have anywhere near enough kids to show that the benefits outweigh the risks. So not a single one of the clinical trials relied upon to license any of the routine.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:05:55:23 – 00:06:06:58 Inject a child. The vaccines, validated their safety before licensure. That's just a fact. It's plain to see when you actually look at the FDA documents and when you don't read CNN articles or the New York Times.
Dr. Paul
00:06:07:07 – 00:06:29:25 That is so powerful. And you you spell that out so clearly, no proper placebos. The trials aren't long enough. They don't look at all health outcomes, right? I mean, they're underpowered, tiny sizes. And yet they publish this as if this is the science. And we were hearing that nonsense. Follow the science. It was just garbage, right? They love the case that you make in your book.
Dr. Paul
00:06:29:29 – 00:06:46:07 That vaccines and vaccines, science is more of a religion, not a science. And I mean, I you start off by kind of talking about the high priests of vaccinology here, and maybe even go a little bit into that and your deposition of Stanley Plotkin and how important that was.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:06:46:14 – 00:07:09:20 I call it a religion, because in many ways it is in the following way. For example, they claim no vaccines have been robustly trialed before licensure. Right? Right. Then when you confront them with the data, you say, hey, look, here is the clinical trial report for a combo vaccine. Be one of the only two happy vaccines you give to a newborn.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:07:09:25 – 00:07:32:51 It shows in black and white with letters that you can read. And it was licensed based on a clinical trial that monitored safety for five days after injection. With only 147 kids. No control. That's what it shows. That's what the package shows. That's what the clinical trial report shows. That's the summary basis of approval shows. That's what the published study relating to the trial shows.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:07:32:51 – 00:07:54:26 That's what it all shows okay. The other vaccine happy vaccine was four days safety monitoring. So you confront them with, you know, whether it's the infectious disease doctor or the immunologist or whoever it is, some other you know, you name it, that I've deposed or, folks that I deal with all the time on the court, so to speak.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:07:54:31 – 00:08:26:05 Who are the believers who are part of this religion? And instead of the reaction being, oh, that's what the data shows, I should look at that. I should start thinking, that's not the reaction you get. What you get is you get, an emotional reaction. You get a disbelief, you get excuses, meaning you get the reaction that somebody would have when they're have a belief, not when they're engaged in intellectual, scientific exercise with religion.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:08:26:10 – 00:08:53:19 Everybody knows it's a leap of faith. Are people involved with religion understand that they are believing? Where do we come from? Where do we go after we die? The unanswerable. But these folks, what makes it so pernicious? They think they're being scientific. They think that what they know is based on data studies, but it's not. It's just dogma, repetition and belief.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:08:53:24 – 00:08:58:36 Yeah. And that's often why they have an emotional reaction when confronted with the data. That's why I call it a religion.
Dr. Paul
00:08:58:41 – 00:09:27:18 Yeah. No, I mean, I was mainstream trained pediatrician and I believed vaccines were safe and effective, but I had not looked at the data, and if I had tried, I wouldn't have been able to find it. Right. That's what you've pointed out in this book. I mean, it is ridiculous that in all this time there are no proper safety studies that you mentioned in the book, and maybe you can speak to this a little bit, the 1986 act, how did that affect this whole vaccine safety issue?
Dr. Paul
00:09:27:18 – 00:09:35:30 Because I think it's a big problem. And then in my second part of my question is, can we get rid of the darn thing? What do you what do you recommend?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:09:35:35 – 00:09:59:37 The 1986 act is an incredible problem. I'll start with the second question to it's an act to Congress. And so Congress would have to repeal it. I'm sure everybody in your audience already knows that the 86 act is the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, and it was passed, in reaction to, all of the injuries that were being caused by the then only three routine vaccines.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:09:59:37 – 00:10:28:27 That's it, OPV, MMR, and DTP. That's all there was back then, but they were causing so much harm, so much, and hence so much liability for the companies making them, that every single company that was making those three products was going out of business, or stopped making them until it was only one left. Now that happens to industries, they face a fork in the road, right for their products, causing all kinds of harms or injuries.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:10:28:32 – 00:10:46:43 So you do a recall, you do an improvement. You make a better product. You don't just get rid of cars when the, you know, gas tanks were exploding back in the 70s, you made a better gas tank. You don't just get rid of, you know, every, you know, I'm building materials because that is Festus. You make a building material without best Festus.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:10:46:43 – 00:11:16:19 Right? You improve it. But here, in an unprecedented move, Congress did something it's never done before or really never done since. It said to those three vaccine makers, hey, you know what guys? You don't need to make a better, safer product. You don't need to improve it. So you stop killing and injuring kids. Instead, we're just going to make it so that they can't see you and they can't hold you accountable and force you to make a better, safer product.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:11:16:21 – 00:11:39:01 We're going to make it so nobody can ever see you on that basis again, not only for those three products, but for any other childhood routine vaccine thereafter. And we've gone there for from three injections in the first year of life. That's what the CDC schedule had in the in 1986 to now, 29 injections, including in utero by the first year of life.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:11:39:05 – 00:12:04:31 And every one of those products, save one, was licensed, trialed and licensed by a pharma company. Knowing that they would never be held accountable for the injuries and deaths that they cause on the basis, or that they could have made those products safer. That's a credible moral hazard. And I'll just for one final point on that, to tie it back to clinical trials.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:12:04:35 – 00:12:24:52 And it's this clinical trials are critical because after a vaccine is licensed, they say it's unethical to do a placebo controlled trials. You need that before its license because you can't do it thereafter. It's the only way to really typically show causation between a claimed injury and a product, so often.
Dr. Paul
00:12:24:54 – 00:12:26:43 Trials and not doing them.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:12:26:47 – 00:12:43:45 And why they do them with drugs. You know why? Because we drugs that are liable after the product was marketed and they don't want to lose money. They don't want to lose money when they sell drugs, cars, every other product with vaccines, they have the opposite financial incentive.
Dr. Paul
00:12:43:50 – 00:12:44:35 Yeah.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:12:44:40 – 00:12:47:46 The more safety they do before and the more like they lose money.
Dr. Paul
00:12:47:46 – 00:13:11:01 So parents have to understand when you say okay to a vaccine, you are actually taking all the liability on yourself, because if your child is harmed, there's no way you can turn to you. You have to take care of that child for the rest of their lives. You can't take the vaccine out right? And they're supposed to be in post post-vaccine release surveillance for it, for problems.
Dr. Paul
00:13:11:01 – 00:13:19:14 And what's how's that been going? Because I did the 1986 act require a certain amount of reporting be done?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:13:19:19 – 00:13:41:31 Yes. The 1986 act required the creation what is effectively become the Vaccine adverse events reporting system. There's which is a passive reporting system. And, the CDC and our health authorities have done everything possible to say it's garbage and unreliable. Right. They'll use it to say a vaccine doesn't cause a harm, but they will never use it to say that a vaccine cause arm.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:13:41:31 – 00:14:03:49 They say you can't do that. The 86 act also required the creation is called something called vaccine information statements that are supposed to be given to the parent that, among other things, disclose certain risks from the vaccines. And, those over time have been watered down. For example, in my book, I describe a deposing the, high priest, the vaccinology doctor Stanley Plotkin.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:14:03:54 – 00:14:23:58 You know, during a deposition, I showed him, for example, that the vaccine information statement produced by the CDC for the MMR vaccine literally says as a risk, brain damage. It says brain damage. Those are the words it use can be caused by the MMR vaccine. Well, he didn't like that. He actually after the deposition, got the CDC to remove it.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:14:24:05 – 00:14:46:57 We have the internal emails from FOIA requests. So, yes. There were some requirements under the 86 act to track adverse events, but they've been incredibly watered down. And, you know, one only need to look at the Institute of Medicine reports over the years to see they've basically utterly failed to study post licensure safety of vaccines.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:14:46:57 – 00:14:49:36 I laid all that out in chapter 11 of my book.
Dr. Paul
00:14:49:41 – 00:15:13:32 Yeah. So the Institute of Medicine, which we doctors used to give a lot of credibility to, I mean, these were supposed to be the best of the best tasked to find the world literature on this issue of vaccine safety. And I think you press them, right. Or you've done the deep dive to figure out that basically they don't they can't come up with anything.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:15:13:37 – 00:15:41:52 Or wasn't, you know, the irony wasn't me pressing them. The Institute of Medicine, for those who don't know, it's not part of government. It was created by Congress, but it's a private organization outside of government now. It's often contracted by government to do reviews of science. It's now called the National Academy of Medicine, the CDC and and then, an agency called Herzog, which is administers the vaccine, injury program over at HHS.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:15:41:56 – 00:16:08:37 They paid a lot of money to the Institute of Medicine to review what they said, what they said were the 158 most commonly claimed vaccine injury pairs. So, you know, people were claiming they had encephalopathy, brain damage from MMR vaccine. You go down the list, okay, these are all serious injuries. And so the Institute of Medicine went and they did what they were paid to do.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:16:08:37 – 00:16:31:09 They went and reviewed the literature, all of the literature to see, okay, can we rule out the vaccines causing these injuries? Obviously, that's what CDC and herself wanted the IOM to do. That's what they were paying them essentially do like, hey guys, rule these out. Okay. You know, the problem is that the Institute of Medicine, they can't just create stuff that doesn't exist.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:16:31:14 – 00:16:52:26 So for what, over 130 of those, the Institute of Medicine had no choice but to say, sorry, we can't reach a conclusion that the vaccine doesn't cause it because you guys haven't done the studies. You know, we can't. There's no studies to even show this. So what? We can't conclude it. So it's not me pressing them the CDC.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:16:52:26 – 00:17:16:28 And here's the shot themselves in the foot effectively by commissioning this report. And the IOM coming back and saying, yeah, basically you folks haven't really done any post licensure safety literature, even for 130 over 130 of the 158 most commonly claim injuries. By your own admission, those are the ones you say, and these are the ones that, by the way, often happen pretty quickly after vaccination.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:17:16:41 – 00:17:23:44 There's a lot of other injuries that are associated with vaccines. They just didn't need to pay IOM because they could. They're a lot more easily ignore them.
Dr. Paul
00:17:23:47 – 00:17:43:16 So we have no valid studies showing that vaccines are safe. You know, you've got in your book that, you know, this idea that vaccinology and vaccines are a religion. What are the key beliefs of those who subscribe to this?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:17:43:21 – 00:18:17:51 Sure. So, and just to put it in context, if I may, the, you know, people think of doctors as knowledgeable about vaccines, right? But the reality is, is that the folks who know about vaccines are the vaccinologist. And then doctors like you who've actually looked into it, who are very, very few to your credit, and the Vaccinologist are this very small group of folks who conduct the clinical trials, who do most of the post licensure safety, for whatever it's worth.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:18:17:51 – 00:18:37:58 And the little bit that's done and they write the medical textbooks on vaccines, that is then what is used by the FDA to license vaccines by the CDC to recommend vaccines, which then filters down to the rest of the medical community. And then is what the public looks to as the guidance on vaccines. So it all starts with the vaccinologist, right?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:18:38:02 – 00:18:59:08 What they do permeates down through the entire medical profession, the health agencies and the public. Their beliefs are what critical. It's why I start the book by talking about them and and showing through the deposition of the high priest, the vaccinology doctor Stanley Park, and really their leader on how they think. Here's how they think of their beliefs.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:18:59:08 – 00:19:12:49 First of all, they approach vaccine safety as follows. If there's nothing, if there's no data to show the vaccine doesn't cause the harm, you say the vaccine doesn't cause the harm, but you should say is, I don't know.
Dr. Paul
00:19:12:50 – 00:19:13:21 We don't know.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:19:13:21 – 00:19:45:11 Because if you don't have data, you shouldn't say the vaccine doesn't cause the harm, but that's not the way they do it. They say the vaccine doesn't cause the harm you. And I'll give you a real world example. Just from a month or two ago at the last CDC ACIp meeting, the chief medical officer of the vaccine, the Immunization Safety office, the CDC stood up and said to the world and to the CDC, ACIp committee that the IOM found the HIV vaccine was safe, said something to that effect.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:19:45:16 – 00:20:12:56 Wow. Well, here's the crazy part. The IOM report, 20 of the 21 serious conditions that it reviewed that were the most commonly claim injuries from the happy vaccine. It said, sorry, guys, you haven't done the studies. Don't know if you causes it doesn't cause it. But yet here you go. Here you have the chief medical officer at the CDC immunization safety office saying that shows it is safe.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:20:13:01 – 00:20:39:10 That's ridiculous. That's shows you don't know if it's safe at best, at best. So that's a first belief. Another belief is that they engage in is that if you're going to validate a vaccine, causes an injury they want to have, not only are they want epidemiological studies proving it, they want biological studies. Essentially, they want studies that show the biological mechanism of exactly how that vaccine causes an injury.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:20:39:14 – 00:20:52:57 But inversely, to show a vaccine as a benefit, they'll use the weakest, most ridiculous observational data they can find. So, you know, that's that's I can keep going. But that, in a nutshell, is how that religion works.
Dr. Paul
00:20:53:06 – 00:21:19:23 Absolute insanity. And that's why it's so hard to argue with these people, because I, I remember early on, when I was starting to get my understanding what was going on, they can hammer out, you know, these, these, high priests, whether it's Plotkin or Paul Offit or Peter Hotez, they can hammer out some details of their poorly done epidemiological studies that are flawed, but they know them so well they can bury you with irrelevant facts.
Dr. Paul
00:21:19:28 – 00:21:25:41 Kind of like tobacco science, right? They set those studies up to prove that there was nothing to see here.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:21:25:48 – 00:21:47:03 I would very gladly get on a stage tomorrow with any one of them, and go through the studies with them and debate them on it. I mean, it's they're not, you know, they're they're not hard to show how the underlying studies that they do rely upon do not support the safety vaccines. They have a handful of them.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:21:47:08 – 00:22:11:17 So after I depose Doctor Stanley Plotkin, you know, he went on this worldwide tirade, including trying to get the World Health Organization and getting them to declare, you know, vaccine hesitancy, one of the ten most, you know, leading risks in the world, dangers. He tried to have the package in search for vaccines amended to include more clinical trial data failed at that because there is no placebo.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:22:11:20 – 00:22:34:56 There is no really. He got, like I told you, some stuff removed from the VA's, like brain damage. And one of the other things he did is he got, as far as I'm aware, the children's hospital in Philadelphia, Chop, where Paul Offit is Doctor Paul Offit, is to create a whole library so that those who are going to be in his situation, again, can defend vaccine safety.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:22:35:01 – 00:23:08:56 Well, I appreciate it. First of all, I'm honored that they created a library for that. But but put a put put that great on our side. That library is the ultimate testament to the lack of foundation to support vaccine safety. The studies that are in that library are the epitome of either junk science, nonsensical or irrelevant. And if somebody actually took the time to go through that library, it's not a lot and looked at, okay, what are the studies they say that show the lunar margins are safe?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:23:08:56 – 00:23:17:23 What are the studies that underlie, you know, go through it all. You're like, really? Oh my goodness. It raises the concern to a fever pitch.
Dr. Paul
00:23:17:28 – 00:23:21:16 Yeah. The studies are all flawed. And so how can you rely on them.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:23:21:27 – 00:23:46:59 This is the best part. You're going to love this okay. When they conduct reviews of studies they don't like they will say, well it doesn't have an unvaccinated group so they can throw it out. I'm not I'm not kidding. I could show you innumerable examples that dozens the AQ, the agency for Health Research and Quality within HHS did this entire review of vaccine safety and basically said, well, you know what?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:23:46:59 – 00:24:12:44 If this study doesn't have an unvaccinated group, it's not really reliable. They said that yet. When the study supports the conclusion they want, all of a sudden they don't care about an unvaccinated group. Here's the thing. As you know, the studies that had an unvaccinated group, meaning science, you compare a group that got something exposed to unexposed. That's how you assess the safety of a product.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:24:12:49 – 00:24:22:32 The studies that have truly unexposed group, meaning kids with no vaccines, all show that they are far healthier than the kids who get vaccines almost universally.
Dr. Paul
00:24:22:37 – 00:24:27:02 So true. That's what my study showed. And we've got now several that are showing the same thing.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:24:27:02 – 00:24:28:23 I think your study all the time.
Dr. Paul
00:24:28:35 – 00:24:48:33 Well, thank you. Real world data. I mean, my analyst who got that data said Paul, this is unbelievable. This is more powerful than any epidemiological study because it's real world data. You know, these patients and I did, and I saw it with my own eyes. That's why I'm so passionate about this topic, because I saw how incredibly healthy the next kids were.
Dr. Paul
00:24:48:38 – 00:25:08:53 And what a disaster it's become to have kids follow the CDC schedule or even get a few vaccines. There's just no safety in any of them. But before I lose you, I know we're at a time restriction. Parents who are caught in this bind of they're in a state that only allows medical exemptions, but no doctor will give them a medical exemption.
Dr. Paul
00:25:08:58 – 00:25:11:29 As an attorney, what can you advise they do.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:25:11:42 – 00:25:32:41 In 45 states in the United States right now? You can get an exemption. You can get a, either a philosophical or religious exemption. And so, you know, I'm not aware, by the way, of a religion that if you believe doing something will harm your child, let you do that. I'm not saying that you should write that as reason.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:25:32:46 – 00:25:54:20 You should write, you know, the reasons that that are, you know, true for you. If you have to write anything. But in almost every one of those 45 states, it's just to check the box. Then there's West Virginia, which we are, where the where the the state health department is issuing religious exemptions. But the school board, the, is, is telling schools not to honor them.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:25:54:20 – 00:26:18:34 And we're in litigation right now. We hope to have that issue fixed up pretty soon so that these
four states really, that's New York, Maine, Connecticut and California. And so if you're in one of those four states, it really varies by state. What you can do. Now, I'm talking only about school, like in New York State, for example, you can go to university with an exemption.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:26:18:34 – 00:26:40:27 That's still part of the law in California. All all the universities, pretty much, except for a very few, grant religious exemptions. You know, we sue the University of California system and, you know, after a number of suits, they finally restored the religious exemption to all 300,000 of their students. So we're just talking about school in these states, pretty much.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:26:40:32 – 00:27:12:46 And, you know, if you're in one of these states in New York state, for example, the determination on whether you have and I'm not giving legal advice directly to anybody, them just talking in general, you know, schools, the, the arbiter of whether to accept the medical exemption is really the head of the school. So the head of a private school could choose to accept your medical exemption, whereas in California, for example, you have to send it to the, you know, to the health department, and they conduct a review and basically, you know, go on.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:27:12:50 – 00:27:41:23 Either will go on to deny typically or and then go on an inquisition against the doctor that wrote it. So doctors don't even want to write one in California. So, if you're in one of those four states, it is a tough there are, you know, there are different approaches in California, for example. There are quote unquote, these homeschool schools that will teach your school, your child in a classroom setting, but only up to 49% okay, of the time.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:27:41:28 – 00:28:01:29 So they go to school, they sit in the class. It's just like school, but it's only up to 49% of the time. The rest of it is homeschooled in school. Which also can involve, you know, learning with others and so forth and whatnot. With all that said, we are currently, you know, litigating and working very hard.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:28:01:34 – 00:28:24:15 You know, I was supported by a canyon, you know, the nonprofit that I supports that work to restore the, exemption and those four remaining states. And we hope that that will be a reality. You know, in the coming years. I'll put it that way. The wheels of justice, as it were, turned slow. And it takes time to work your way through the court system.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:28:24:20 – 00:28:49:21 So, not the most satisfactory answer, I know, but it depends on the state you're in. And even in Maine, there are there are differences in the private and the public schools. So, you know, for the most part, really, you know, with New York and Cali being the the toughest places you can get a school without without having to, to get vaccine and any vaccine if you want.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:28:49:21 – 00:29:10:14 I mean, there's very few context where it's not possible. I can't I mean, I also mentioned that, you know, we have an extensive exemption practice at my law firm. We have over 50 people that just do vaccine related work. So like we have, you know, for example, we have you know,
three immigration attorneys in large part to help people immigrate legally, obviously, with get waivers for vaccination.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:29:10:14 – 00:29:14:28 We've gotten, I think, over 700 of those virtually almost. That is.
Dr. Paul
00:29:14:28 – 00:29:17:39 Fantastic. How do you get to that service?
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:29:17:44 – 00:29:40:57 Oh, well, Siri llp.com is my law firm's website. And, you know, we help people with, immigration exemptions. We help with, school exemptions, university. And, you know, clinical rotations are now big issue because while the school is, you know, might have an exemption and the hospital might have an exemption because they have to under title seven, we know a clinical rotation.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:29:40:57 – 00:29:58:52 You're not in school and you're not an employee. So you're like in this netherworld. So we help people get exemptions in that weird context. And we also do immigration exemption. So we help folks in all of those areas if they want, they go our website. We also have a lot of free resources on our website. So you can just take a look at it.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:29:58:57 – 00:30:03:44 You know, on the exemption page and, and see if any of that's helpful as well.
Dr. Paul
00:30:03:49 – 00:30:10:58 Wonderful. Thank you for that work. Your representation is available in all 50 states or is it limited to certain states.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:30:11:02 – 00:30:31:05 Or we represent people injured by vaccines in all 50 states? We have a lot of folks at the firm we are in. Our attorneys are licensed and almost, you know, most a large majority of the states, including the most populous one. So I've never done the math, but I think it's like 80% of the American population. We got licensed.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:30:31:05 – 00:30:36:08 So we're able to help folks in most parts of the country, depending on the issue.
Dr. Paul
00:30:36:13 – 00:31:05:10 That's fantastic. Well, thank you. And you are one of my heroes for sure. I appreciate all the work you're doing, people, you have got to go and get this book. This is a masterpiece. Thank you for doing that. And and there's something special about an attorney I learned from you, actually, that when an attorney is prepared and you go into court and cross-examine or do discovery, you are getting really getting to the bottom of it.
Dr. Paul
00:31:05:10 – 00:31:17:59 You're getting to the truth. People are afraid to lie on under oath, in a legal environment,
whereas we get lied to all the time in the system. Thank you for holding people's feet to the fire and getting to the truth.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:31:18:04 – 00:31:39:53 Yeah, there's a difference between what public health authorities tell you, the public, and what they say under oath and his deposition, or what they have to admit when you force them to provide the proof or evidence for their claims. And those are two different worlds. That's basically my whole book in a nutshell. I think you just summed it up and really thank you, for being brave.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:31:39:58 – 00:32:02:31 And, you know, as an attorney, if I speak out on vaccines, you know, I don't have a medical board that's going to come after me. I don't have, you know, that pressure and constant threat. Whereas you especially as a pediatrician, you know, it takes a lot to look back and introspectively say, hey, you know, maybe I need to change course.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:32:02:31 – 00:32:22:34 And you did that. And if every doctor you know was willing to do that, who's engaged in these products, this thing was changed. So thank you for for sticking your neck out. Literally, literally sticking it out to the, you know, the, you know, the guillotine of, of medical boards. And that's really what they are. They are the judge.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:32:22:39 – 00:32:33:51 They're the jury, the executioner. They are you know, it's and there's almost no judicial review, unfortunately, in the state that you were in. So they can basically, for the most part, act with impunity.
Dr. Paul
00:32:33:56 – 00:32:34:58 I mean, and they did.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:32:35:02 – 00:32:48:31 And they did. And, but you stood strong and I, you know, I, I do remember that process, and I, man, I, I was like, I love this guy. He is not giving up. He does not care. He will stand for what's right.
Dr. Paul
00:32:48:31 – 00:33:04:23 So I was willing to go down fighting. But you you knocked some common sense into my head. And I do thank you for that because we want to be effective. We want to do what works and, what you're offering now with this new book and then all the work you continue to do is it's a gift to the world.
Dr. Paul
00:33:04:23 – 00:33:06:04 Thank you, Aaron, for all you're doing.
Aaron Siri Esq.
00:33:06:09 – 00:33:06:55 Thank you.
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