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With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Show 198 — Pediatric Perspectives: Vaccine Zealotry & Don't Fear Disease with Suzanne Humphries, M.D.
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Total Segment Duration: 33:02
Transcript00:01:35:15 - 00:01:52:53
Dr. Paul Good morning PhD. Welcome to Pediatric Perspectives where we are looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking. One is not afraid to give you the honest truth. My guest today is Suzanne Humphreys. Suzanne, it's so great to have you back on the show.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Thanks, Paul. This is one of my favorite shows. Actually, I rarely get to speak to pediatricians, so yeah, I really enjoyed our last one.
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Dr. Paul Well, you are like an honorary pediatrician with lots of exclamation marks because of your incredible work. Your board certified or were board certified in internal medicine and nephrology? You wrote Dissolving Illusions, one of the few books I think everyone on the planet should own. Must own. If you want to understand the history of vaccines. You just came out with your 10th anniversary edition, which has a whole second volume with all the references.
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Dr. Paul So masterpiece. Reference work. Thank you. So much for all that work.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, thanks. Oh, and let's just set the record straight here right now, because the trolls love to say that I'm not board certified. Okay, so I did let go of my nephrology board certification in 2017 because I don't use it because I don't practice nephrology anymore. And then I went back and let's say, who does this? Who goes back after 20 years and re certifies an internal medicine.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Right.
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Dr. Paul Does that.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I did that. I went back and re certified an internal medicine and like way, way better the second time than the first time I was in the top 95 percentile trolls. Okay. So there's that because after being on The Joe Rogan Show, they're out there saying that I'm not even board certified.
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Dr. Paul Like, my lord. I'm like.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. It's easy enough. You just go to my webpage and you can see my internal medicine board certification. So anyway, whatever.
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Dr. Paul You know, for viewers who don't know this, you're not getting paid to do this interview. You have not been paid to do most of the work that you've chosen to do out of. Actually, let's start there. You are mainstream medicine and you've we've shared this before, but there's new people on who may not know your story.
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Dr. Paul What triggered your departure from mainstream medicine? Just sort of the quick overview.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. What triggered my departure is what strikes fear in the bones of those that want to maintain the status quo. Because once you see a problem as big as the vaccination issue, then you start just asking a whole bunch of questions around that. Am I like in that to, a little chip on your windshield of your car, you know, and it sits there for a while and it starts to spread and, you know, it's going to spread.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then the whole thing potentially can crumble if somebody just touches it. So what happened with me is I was, you know, I just in the early on in my career, I just kept going deeper and deeper into the system and into internal medicine. And the reason I did is because I started out as just a regular, general internist, and I didn't feel like I really had a good enough grasp on everything because because things have become so complicated within the conventional medical views, I guess you could say, because we have all these subspecialties and then, you know, it's not like the old days where you're a GP and, you know, you just
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. you could you could still be a GP. But I frankly think that GP's have to be the smartest people on planet Earth because I don't know how they manage everything the way they do.
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Dr. Paul I felt the same way actually, when I was in medical school and I was picking specialties. My dream was to be a GP and I'm going, I can't handle all this. How do they do that?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Have to have a grip on all the subspecialties in order to even, you know, know where to go, right? And, so yeah, my hat's off to them, but I felt like I had a real lack of understanding of critical care medicine, so. And I really loved kidneys, I loved kidney the whole my rotation through nephrology and nobody else seemed to love it.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Nobody wanted to do it. So I thought, well, there's that's a good place to go because it was kind of a bit of a vacuum there, at least there was at the time. And I liked it. And, so I applied for an nephrology fellowship and I went and did that. And I'm really glad I did that, because those extra two years really gave me clarity and, confidence that I had a better grasp on the situation.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then, because that's just how I am, is I like to keep solidifying. What I know is that I went into academia for two years, and then, you know, the pay is so low. And again, you know, hats off to people in academia. I can see why they want to start selling supplements, doing other things, because there just is no money in academia.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I couldn't pay my loans off. That was really the problem. So I left academia in Philadelphia and Camden, new Jersey, and I went up to Maine, and I stayed there for ten years practicing conventional nephrology. I was 100% consultative nephrology, and I was still teaching. I was still teaching medical residents at the institution, where I was up in Bangor, Maine, and I was making lots of money, and I was really happy I had this beautiful house.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I really felt like I had kind of this idyllic life. I was, like, pretty much happy to get up in the morning and go to work. I actually love doing the dialysis. I loved my dialysis patients, and I would still do that if if that was an option for me. But I just felt that it wasn't after a while.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I watched the corporate, the corporate system take over our independent dialysis units and and nothing, nothing good. I don't really believe except financially. Maybe for the hospital really came of that. I saw them firing lots of nurses that I really loved. I don't think the patients were very happy about it, but that's how you conserve money when when you're putting out so much for these people's lives over a long period of time.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I'm not an administrator, so I can't speak to that. But before I left, I left in 2011, and sometime in 2008 or 2009, it's kind of become a little bit shadowy now, but I have a video that I did called honesty versus policy, where I detail every painful incident that happened with all the evidence and proof and documentation, and that's why my Odyssey channel, I had a few things happened to me.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I had a friend who had children that were never vaccinated, and that was a concept that was foreign to me. I never heard of not vaccinating your children, and I did. I got vaccinated before medical school. You know, flu vaccines were a part of life even though I refused them because just, you know, I'm an instinctive person and instinctively, I just, I, I didn't want it.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then I, agreed to have a vaccine and my fourth year of medical school during my emergency rotation. And man, that I got sicker than I've ever been in my life. And I even back then, I was like, well, that's really weird. I got the flu shot like a few weeks ago, and now I'm sicker than I've ever been.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And of course, everybody told me I was crazy. And I thought, well, maybe, maybe it's not related. And I put it to sleep. I went back to work. And then they chased me around trying to give me an updated measles shot up in Maine. And I was like, why did they want to give me a measles shot so badly?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I just like common sense. Why don't we check my blood and see what my titers are? Well, sure enough, my titers were, you know, off the chart because I'm vaccinated, and vaccinated people tend to get really high antibody titers, which is the, you know, the gold standard for testing whether you're immune or not.
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Dr. Paul Just yeah, especially that vaccine. I, I was I was checking all my patients titers for measles, mumps, rubella trying to avoid a booster. And it was amazing how many people were above the maximum testable limit. It was like, wow, what is going on with this one?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah.
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Dr. Paul Yeah.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So effective. Like, you know, it's so effective. Everyone has to have it. Because if measles creeps in, even the vaccinated will catch it. So we all got to do it. Same old story. So I had the friend with non-vaccinated children, and I remember one day I watching one of her kids play with a hammer and nails and, and I said to her, you know, you better be careful because she's not vaccinated.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And she could get tetanus. And she said, what do you know about tetanus? And in my in my head, I thought, I don't know anything about tetanus. And outside I said, I know you don't want to get it, and I know it can cause lockjaw and you don't want that. And, and, and in that very moment, I decided to make it the mission to go learn something about tetanus.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Because I realized, my conscience told me that. That there was a little bit of a, a vacuum there. So I went and did that. And in the meantime, I watched those kids be, like, ridiculously healthy. And it wasn't because of either their parents, because their parents were not good genetic stock. Okay. And then I saw the school that they went to was a Steiner school, which back in that time, there were a lot of non-vaccinated kids, kids there.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I think since then Steiner's been a bit infiltrated the Steiner system. But anyway, a lot of those kids were just, like, really bright. Their parents would say they've never been. This was a new concept to me, never been on antibiotics. So I thought, oh, right. Well, I should probably pay attention to this because this is a health anomaly to me.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So I did, I paid attention, and I watched them over years, and I saw that if they got sick, they would just have a fever and burn it out in about 24 hours, and that would be the end of it. I saw them have whooping cough. I saw them have chicken pox. Okay, so that's in the background. And then one day in 2009, I go into work after having the weekend off and there's a guy on dialysis and I thought he was a visitor because we get a lot of visitors through main, and they just kind of come to our dialysis unit.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. While at the time they're on holiday and, I'm getting a history and I'm saying, how long have you been on dialysis? And he's like, I've never been on dialysis. This. He said it like, so pressured. Like he'd been trying to tell people and no one was listening to him, you know, like one of those bad dreams. And, so I thought, all right, all right, well, what happened?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And he said I was fine till I had that shot, and I looked and sure enough, his kidney function about a month before the shot was perfectly normal, had been normal in the past. And then all of a sudden, he's on dialysis. So I thought, okay, well. And I looked up ten flu shots caused kidney failure. And sure enough, you see enough of it in the medical literature.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then of course, I was, yeah, I was doubted every step of the way if I would bring it up. And I was told to do my own research, because then there became a series of these cases. I started asking, taking a vaccine history, that that winter. Another thing that people don't do with adults, I'm told, you know, by my critics know it's always done with children.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Well, trust me, it's not always done.
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Dr. Paul No, it's not.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. Especially in the inpatient setting. It's not done. So I started doing it in the inpatient setting. Oh my gosh. The correlations were just really ridiculous, that I saw there. So I thought, all right, well that's interesting. And then okay, tip number three, I admitted a patient to the, hospital because we used to do our own biopsy admissions.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. There was an older woman who had a protein losing nephropathy pretty serious. I tried to manage it medically and I couldn't, and I really needed to see what was going on inside of her kidney in her glomerulus. So I get up to the floor after my day of working in the office to do the admission, and I pick up the chart and I see that two vaccines had been given the seasonal influenza, and then the H1n1 were given to her and I, and I thought I must have the wrong chart.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So I look again and nope, that's her name. And then I look again, and I see that my name is as the signing position to give the vaccine. And at that point, I started to, boil internally and I had a discussion with the nurse who said, oh no, this is what we do now. The pharmacist comes by and is the patient's admitted.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Of course, they go in as fast as they can before the doctor gets there, and they give him a little piece of pink paper that gives them some propaganda. And if the patient agrees, they are given the shot. And so that's where I just I really said, okay, now I just can't sit back and watch this. So I did some research and I wrote, I wrote a white paper and that paper is now on my website, Doctor Suzanne net.
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Dr. Paul So Doctor Humphreys, we have the same thing happening in newborns and children. And this has been going on for about the same duration. It's been a decade at least, where I would go into the hospital to do a newborn check, and they had already gotten the happy vaccine and I didn't order it. And in fact, I was unable at this main hospital that I was practicing at to get that changed.
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Dr. Paul I could not get the standing order changed. They just wouldn't do it. So the only way I could prevent newborns from getting that shot when they didn't need it, which was most newborns? Well, every single newborn in my practice now isn't the one that mom had that be. So, the only way was to educate the parents ahead of time, and I didn't always have the ability to do that.
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Dr. Paul But. So this has been happening for a while. The system was set up to just push vaccines into people, whether or not they needed them.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. It's really it's just horrid what happens with the infants. And then they have the crash carts and the caffeine resuscitation waiting by, don't they.
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Dr. Paul In the NICU? They absolutely do.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. Yeah. And same with dialysis patients, although they are they're much older obviously. But we found that we would give them several series of four shots and they were still not responding. But it doesn't look, you just you can't make sense of a lot of this anyway. So so I sent my letter to all these CEOs, at the hospital, and I heard nothing back.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then, I had a few conversations. Just to make a long story short, I had a few conversations with the chief of medicine, who was previously very friendly to me and became progressively more unfriendly to me. Even though all I was asking was that they would hold off vaccinating until the day of discharge, when everything was stable.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. They couldn't see the the problem with giving a vaccine to somebody, say, I mean, I walked into a room of a, guy in his 20s who was actively getting chemotherapy for leukemia, and they and I was consulted for kidney failure, and they vaccinated him before I got there to, it just didn't matter. There's there's no unsafe time to give a vaccine, apparently.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So, so that's how it all started for me. And after a while, I, you know, I could have stayed in there if I had, like the tenacity of some of the, some people, but I didn't. I just felt like, okay, I have something here that's really, really relevant. I need to learn more about it. And I'm going to bring the message directly to the public, because going through, doing my own research, as they suggested, they'll tie me up for years and then they'll say that it's just the case reports and it's done by an anti-vaxxer or whatever, whatever.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, I knew their game already, so I just really didn't want to play their game. And I've never played their game. So you walk away.
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Dr. Paul From a very lucrative practice.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, yeah. And to the University of
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Dr. Paul How did you support yourself? How did you survive it?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. So I went from having $300,000 a year, but I did. I was able to pay my loans off and that's about it. I paid my loans off. I hadn't paid my mortgage off. But I did so I was able to get out of the mortgage and break even, and. And I didn't want to go into debt because I didn't know where things were going to go.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So I went and I lived with my sister for a while, and then I went and lived on a farm, in Virginia and friend's farm with the horses. And I pitched a tent in the back of the farm, and that's where I lived. And I pitched two tents, what? Actually, one of them was a pop up camper.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. That's where I slept. It's not a lot. If you've ever been in a pop up camper, you really don't live in a pop up camp.
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Dr. Paul No, I, I had one for some time.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Right? So one end storage and the other end is for sleeping, and the middle is it's a disaster. And then so I got the biggest tent I could get from Rye. I was like a ten person tent. And I got a really nice chair and kind of a rickety old desk, and I set that up, and that was my office and I and me.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And about 5000 daddy longlegs lived in that tent, because what I found later is that apparently they're attracted to the color orange. And so every time I would have to have a brush outside to get into the tent to get rid of, like the millions, that is not a million, but hundreds of daddy longlegs that were just hanging on to it, just didn't want them inside with me.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I have a phobia of them or anything. But if you did have arachnophobia, you wouldn't have wanted to be me back then. So that's that was the middle of writing Dissolving Illusions. And so I pretty much had my time free. I was not in debt, and I think I might have been doing a little bit of maybe online consultation here and there, which actually was enough to kind of buy food.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I never skimp on my food. I always eat healthy, but I wasn't spending any money. And so I did that for probably like a year and a half. And then the Scandinavians were interested in what I had to say. So they invited me to Scandinavia and, and I went to, you know, what I think was three years in a row.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I went there and at the last year I went, I think I hit pretty much all the Scandinavian countries, plus Finland, which actually is not a Scandinavian country. I found out later. But all the other ones, including Iceland, and that was really cool. Yeah. So that's kind of how this all started. And so Dissolving Illusions came out in 2013, and then my autobiography came out in 2016.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. And, yeah, the rest is kind of history. And, and, you know, I left conventional medicine not really knowing what I was going to do medically or career wise, and never I didn't. I still don't want to make a career out of battling vaccines, but I seem to keep allowing myself to be pulled back into it, even when I think I'm living a quiet life and getting back to normal.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. So that's not element.
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Dr. Paul So Dissolving Illusions was the book that turned me around from what we were taught, and I'm sure you were taught the same thing in medical school as I was. The vaccines spared the world from these terrible diseases, from smallpox to polio and you name it. Right? And you shattered that in that book. We won't have time for you.
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Dr. Paul You could do a whole daylong lecture series on what's in that book. But the nutshell of it maybe touch on a couple things that are just take home messages that people, if they haven't read the book or heard you speak on this, are going to go, what? I didn't know that polio, for example.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. Well, so what happened is Roman had already started writing the book and he's a data guy, and he had gotten the vital statistics as many as were available throughout the world. And looked at over time that looked at the death rates for different diseases. And sometimes some of our graphs have the disease rates, and we have to distinguish between the death rates and the disease rates.
00:19:58:44 - 00:20:19:58
Suzanne Humphries M.D. So we looked at the death rates versus the disease rate. But most importantly, he found that the death rates had already gone down. An avalanche nearly to the x axis of a graph, before the vaccines came in. And to Roman that that was significant. And he started looking up historically. Why that might have been. And then I was kind of inching my way there on my own.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And he heard me on, the Gary Know radio show and contacted me. And I read this manuscript and I thought, that's really good. I'll just write the chapter on polio, and you can call it Dissolving Illusions by Roman Bastianich with polio chapter by Suzanne Humphreys. And then as the more I started to read it, the more I, I just kept contributing different things because as a medical doctor, I had a different set of, understanding.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And so we ended up coauthoring and it was actually Mayor Eisenstein, of all people who said, Suzanne should be the first author. When I you know, I think we could argue that maybe Roman should have been the first author, but I ended up being the first author, and, that gave me all the glory. And it gave me all a lot of the pain for doing that.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. So it was those death charts. And so we basically tell the story of why, what the diseases are, why the death rates were so high back then, what the evidence showed, and the fact that the gross national product, really revealed a story that people still find hard to believe, which is that about 3.5% of the contribution to the decline in death rate over time for the 11 major, infectious diseases had to do with the medical system, had to do with antibiotics.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And so when you look at gross national product, you're able to see where spending is. And so I'm not a financial person. This is something probably, you know, Katherine Austin Fitz could answer back better than me. But, that was a study by McKinley and McKinley that we cite in the book, which has hundreds of references. And, yeah.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So it's just an it's an interesting story and it kind of throws a bit of, wet rag on this idea that, vaccines are the reason that we live longer. Vaccines are the reason why we have this wonderful society, why infant mortality went down when. I don't know, Paul, if you read the whole story on Purple Fever, but that that was a hard, I know, a hard one to swallow, that the death rates for purple fever were, you know, in the 1700s and 1800s were, you know, upwards where sometimes as high as 30, I think 30 something percent.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And at one Paris hospital, the death rate from purple fever. And some I've seen some citations that were even higher because doctors refused to believe that they could have dirty hands, and that they could go into a cadaver and do a dissection and then go right in and birth a baby where the midwife rates weren't such. And, you know, the guys told them to wash their hands with lime solution were, ostracized just the same way that we are.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So yeah, there just so many interesting stories that were so contrary. And so when you when you start understanding that you go, oh, wow, well, well, why didn't they tell us this in medical school? What difference would would that have made? And then I started learning more about the, you know, the vaccine paradigm and how that all began.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And, some of the propaganda and outright lies that were actually called out by doctors of the time over for about 200 years, which is what our companion book really points out. That's my favorite part of the companion book.
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Dr. Paul And forth, right?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, yeah. So you just keep reading and just keep finding more information. And, you know, again, my message to the public isn't don't vaccinate. My message to the public is, okay, you've already heard all that. Now listen to this. Listen to what? What Roman and I have dug up. And you and lots of other your experience and other doctors experiences, and you decide for yourself where the mainstream message is always vaccine saved lives.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Vaccines are safe. Vaccines are effective. Vaccinate your child or your child could die or you're going to be a disease spreader. Well, yeah, I trust people to come up to their own conclusions and to be responsible for their own children. Because if your kid gets hit really bad by a vaccine, guess who's going to be going to be dealing with it?
00:24:05:33 - 00:24:27:22
Suzanne Humphries M.D. You. The government's not going to help you. Except maybe if you're really lucky, really wealthy and have good attorneys and maybe you're a medical doctor, they can sue and get millions of dollars and then have your case closed and nobody can ever use it for reference, because we know that happens. So people really need to be empowered regarding this because it's a matter of your kid's brain and immune function for the rest of their lives.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah.
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Dr. Paul So the graphs that were so surprising to me when I read your book where, you know, you go from these massive deaths from vaccines to almost zero, and then the vaccines are introduced, but the same pattern for diseases for which we didn't have vaccines. And I think when when I saw that, I was like, oh, wow. So it had to be something other than vaccines that that caused this massive reduction in disease and death.
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Dr. Paul And you outlined that so beautifully. Sanitation, you know, clean cleaner water, living, refrigeration. I mean, it's it was technology and engineers that really made the biggest difference. Lifestyle things.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, absolutely. And so right. So things like cholera and, well, purple fever, you know, because there were no antibiotics, until the 1940s. And then you've got rheumatic fever. And, you know, that was a big crippler that that crippled more people than polio. And as Doctor Fred Cleaner talked about, nobody wanted to look at those cripples because, you know, their legs worked.
00:25:34:04 - 00:25:42:16
Suzanne Humphries M.D. But the fact of the matter is, rheumatic fever was far more of a problem, far more, you know, far more, numerous in terms of crippling children.
00:25:42:21 - 00:25:44:52
Dr. Paul And that went away without a vaccine. Right?
00:25:44:57 - 00:26:02:06
Suzanne Humphries M.D. That. Well, they had a vaccine. It was a I believe it was a toxoid vaccine, but it caused such massive problems that just quietly removed it. We do talk about that as well. Yeah. So the critics, you know, when they lose that battle about the death rates going down, then they go, oh, you know, but there were still diseases.
00:26:02:06 - 00:26:31:22
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And and you know, you can you can take up hospital beds and you can have side effects and adverse effects from the diseases and you know, yeah, that's true. There were still the diseases. We didn't we didn't eradicate measles, due to sanitation. We did not eradicate mumps due to sanitation. We didn't eradicate chicken pox. But what happened was, if you look closely, the incidence rates that were reported did go down.
00:26:31:22 - 00:26:57:06
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And the question is always do those curves go down because the diseases are so mild that parents just and doctors didn't even report it? I think that's a lot of it. But these are diseases that, are not deadly. I still hear doctors that I respect quite a bit banging on about giving Tylenol for fevers. So we look historically at the death rates for different diseases or the complication rates for different diseases.
00:26:57:10 - 00:27:16:24
Suzanne Humphries M.D. We have to look at how those diseases were treated by the medical system. We have to not just look at nutrition and child labor laws, but what were the medical system doing? Like for measles? They were injecting the blood of the parents into the buttock of the child. They weren't even blood typing to do that. There was cause causing massive problems, not just necrosis of tissue, but immunologic problems.
00:27:16:24 - 00:27:40:09
Suzanne Humphries M.D. In that sense they were giving sedatives. We have that problem today, lots of aspirin. That's been a problem in the past. For smallpox. They were putting people in dark rooms, bleeding them, purging them with mercury. And we talked about that in the book. So what how are they treating it? That's a huge difference. And so this comes into play today, whether you're vaccinated or not is how the medical system is treating.
00:27:40:13 - 00:28:06:43
Suzanne Humphries M.D. I use that word very gingerly. The diseases that are presenting and and what I find when I go over the, the mortality, the death cases that are given to me, today, as I see that nutrition is not even like the food pyramid is what they call nutrition. And so that's okay if you want to bring your child with, constipation, stomach cramps, vomiting and measles, you want to bring some chicken nuggets, some sprite, and some some French fries.
00:28:06:57 - 00:28:27:21
Suzanne Humphries M.D. That's considered great. And then they can just give you laxatives if you're constipated. There's zero nutrition and they either zero vitamin C, they don't get vitamin C, they don't check vitamin C levels. We know that vitamin C levels are low with when patients are sick entering the hospital. We know that they drop further in hospital. So these kids basically walking around scurvy, they don't check vitamin D levels.
00:28:27:21 - 00:28:42:48
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Something that could be really helpful is to give some vitamin D. How do I know this? Because this is what I do to people on the outside, and they don't have to go into the hospital. And then we have the fever, the fever phobia. Even amongst people, like I said, that I highly respect like this has to stop.
00:28:43:01 - 00:29:03:24
Suzanne Humphries M.D. It just absolutely has to be researched and taught properly in medical school. And the other doctors need to be reeducated on the fever because this whole idea. Okay, febrile seizures if you have if your child has a fever procedure. Yes, that's not a good thing. And yes, that can be a problem later in life. They can continue to have several seizures.
00:29:03:28 - 00:29:15:27
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Is that really the only way to deal with a fever? Help me Paul, help me out with this because I'm going to interview you now. Is that the only way to deal with the fever is to give Tylenol? How? What else could we possibly do to deal with the fever? Help me out.
00:29:15:32 - 00:29:34:30
Dr. Paul First of all, I have to say, do not give Tylenol. It is probably the worst thing you can do because it blocks the production of glutathione. And we need glutathione to fight infections to detox. So it is it is going to make things worse, not better. But there are simple ways to bring a fever down. You can actually let water evaporate off your hot skin.
00:29:34:30 - 00:29:50:15
Dr. Paul And the fever comes right down. So a lukewarm or wet washcloth on the body allow the water to evaporate, and the fever will come down within minutes. You know, there's some natural things you can do, but, yeah, it's not something to be feared. We actually need that fever to help fight infection.
00:29:50:20 - 00:30:11:43
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Thank you, thank you. Okay, so we've create heat shock proteins with that fever. We're calling in cytokines. Chemokines, white blood cells that are going to do the job. Now we don't want the fever to get out of control. But to me the key is let's treat the infection. Let's treat the child. And then the fever can come down.
00:30:11:43 - 00:30:32:10
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And, okay. Can I ask you another question? This question is because I've seen this several times. Have you ever seen Tylenol or any, you know, fever lowering, drug giving, given to a child with a fever and they have the seizure when the fever comes down because it's come down too quickly?
00:30:32:15 - 00:30:47:40
Dr. Paul Yeah. It's the change in the temperature that can cause the seizure. So if there it goes rapidly up or rapidly down, either way it can happen. We could have another whole discussion about what might actually be causing these febrile seizures, but, that would be another whole topic.
00:30:47:45 - 00:30:52:27
Suzanne Humphries M.D. I think it absolutely needs to be explored. Can we do that sometime? If not today? Some other time?
00:30:52:31 - 00:31:16:30
Dr. Paul Yeah, absolutely. I didn't realize it went way, way back, but you mentioned how it's how the medical system treats patients with infections, especially if they're not vaccinated. That might be part of the problem. We just saw this. We all went through Covid and saw that patients hospitalized with Covid were actually being mismanaged and dying because of that, in massive scale.
00:31:16:44 - 00:31:34:04
Dr. Paul So, I mean, I had friends who were on their way to the hospital, told them, stop. I knew somebody who could get them oxygen and ivermectin in the next day. They were fine. They would have been hospitalized, intubated and dead. And we had these two measles cases. And I know you were involved with at least one of them supposed death from measles.
00:31:34:04 - 00:31:54:57
Dr. Paul And I would after listening to your, interview that you did on this and also to, Peter Corey's interview is quite clear. Neither of those kids in Texas died from measles. They had measles. Maybe one of them, for sure. One of them maybe. But they didn't die from measles. So we still, to this date, have not had a child in the US die of measles in over a decade.
00:31:55:10 - 00:31:57:06
Dr. Paul Is that right?
00:31:57:10 - 00:32:27:48
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. So here's where they'll just they'll they'll grab any bone they can. They'll say they didn't die of measles, but if they were vaccinated and didn't get measles, they wouldn't have got the secondary infection and then they wouldn't have died. Well, how about if they had competent doctors and parents who understood nutrition because we had, an, Department of Health in the United States that actually talked about real nutrition, and doctors that knew how to treat an immune system rather than dealing with diseases as they see them and only prevention.
00:32:27:48 - 00:32:36:54
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And like pretty much everything they did was just upside down, inside out and backwards. It was it was an appalling experience for me to read through that chart.
00:32:36:59 - 00:32:56:42
Dr. Paul Yeah. Well, thank you for the huge effort you put into it, because I think it's important that we set the record straight because the media will forevermore talk about those two deaths, whereas those of us who know better know that it wasn't measles that killed those kids. We've run out of time. I'm going to have to get you back because there are so many things I want to talk to you about.
00:32:56:47 - 00:33:11:37
Dr. Paul But before we leave, I was wondering if you could share with our viewers where they can get your information. You mentioned a website. You mentioned somewhere where you have your some of your written documents. What's the best way to get your information yours? You have so much good information.
00:33:11:42 - 00:33:30:55
Suzanne Humphries M.D. If you just want to do the easiest thing, just go to Dissolving illusions.com, because that has pretty much everything where you can reach Roman and myself and all of the links to our other websites. But my personal website is Doctor Suzanne Dot net. And then there's my Odyssey channel, where I had to move all of my videos off of YouTube when they canceled me.
00:33:30:55 - 00:33:51:27
Suzanne Humphries M.D. I always spell it wrong, but it's odyssey.com. It's a video specialty service, and the CEO wrote to me and thanked me for using it, so I assume that I'm safe there for now. And then finally there's ex that and my ex handle is Dr. Susie A and EH7. And yeah, Joe Rogan built my audience back for me.
00:33:51:27 - 00:33:54:13
Suzanne Humphries M.D. So go there because that's where I do all of my posting.
00:33:54:18 - 00:34:08:15
Dr. Paul Fantastic. But since you brought up Joe Rogan and I was so intrigued that you were able to my masterful interview, by the way, I watched the whole thing. Did you get push back at all from that? I know you've had pushback from a lot of things.
00:34:08:20 - 00:34:16:43
Suzanne Humphries M.D. You want to get into that now? I guess that's the whole conversation, because, yeah, the answer is yes. I have had.
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Dr. Paul I well, I want to thank you for being willing to stick your neck out for our world. I mean, for our kids, for society. At great cost to you personally. So thank you very much. So, folks, you can follow me, find me at Kids First forever.com. I look forward to seeing you next week. We're going to have Doctor Suzanne Humphreys back in the very near future.
Speakers' Speaking Times
- Dr. Paul: 21.8% (7:12)
- Suzanne Humphries, M.D.: 77.8% (25:42)
Total Segment Duration: 33:02
Transcript00:01:35:15 - 00:01:52:53
Dr. Paul Good morning PhD. Welcome to Pediatric Perspectives where we are looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking. One is not afraid to give you the honest truth. My guest today is Suzanne Humphreys. Suzanne, it's so great to have you back on the show.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Thanks, Paul. This is one of my favorite shows. Actually, I rarely get to speak to pediatricians, so yeah, I really enjoyed our last one.
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Dr. Paul Well, you are like an honorary pediatrician with lots of exclamation marks because of your incredible work. Your board certified or were board certified in internal medicine and nephrology? You wrote Dissolving Illusions, one of the few books I think everyone on the planet should own. Must own. If you want to understand the history of vaccines. You just came out with your 10th anniversary edition, which has a whole second volume with all the references.
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Dr. Paul So masterpiece. Reference work. Thank you. So much for all that work.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, thanks. Oh, and let's just set the record straight here right now, because the trolls love to say that I'm not board certified. Okay, so I did let go of my nephrology board certification in 2017 because I don't use it because I don't practice nephrology anymore. And then I went back and let's say, who does this? Who goes back after 20 years and re certifies an internal medicine.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Right.
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Dr. Paul Does that.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I did that. I went back and re certified an internal medicine and like way, way better the second time than the first time I was in the top 95 percentile trolls. Okay. So there's that because after being on The Joe Rogan Show, they're out there saying that I'm not even board certified.
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Dr. Paul Like, my lord. I'm like.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. It's easy enough. You just go to my webpage and you can see my internal medicine board certification. So anyway, whatever.
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Dr. Paul You know, for viewers who don't know this, you're not getting paid to do this interview. You have not been paid to do most of the work that you've chosen to do out of. Actually, let's start there. You are mainstream medicine and you've we've shared this before, but there's new people on who may not know your story.
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Dr. Paul What triggered your departure from mainstream medicine? Just sort of the quick overview.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. What triggered my departure is what strikes fear in the bones of those that want to maintain the status quo. Because once you see a problem as big as the vaccination issue, then you start just asking a whole bunch of questions around that. Am I like in that to, a little chip on your windshield of your car, you know, and it sits there for a while and it starts to spread and, you know, it's going to spread.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then the whole thing potentially can crumble if somebody just touches it. So what happened with me is I was, you know, I just in the early on in my career, I just kept going deeper and deeper into the system and into internal medicine. And the reason I did is because I started out as just a regular, general internist, and I didn't feel like I really had a good enough grasp on everything because because things have become so complicated within the conventional medical views, I guess you could say, because we have all these subspecialties and then, you know, it's not like the old days where you're a GP and, you know, you just
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. you could you could still be a GP. But I frankly think that GP's have to be the smartest people on planet Earth because I don't know how they manage everything the way they do.
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Dr. Paul I felt the same way actually, when I was in medical school and I was picking specialties. My dream was to be a GP and I'm going, I can't handle all this. How do they do that?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Have to have a grip on all the subspecialties in order to even, you know, know where to go, right? And, so yeah, my hat's off to them, but I felt like I had a real lack of understanding of critical care medicine, so. And I really loved kidneys, I loved kidney the whole my rotation through nephrology and nobody else seemed to love it.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Nobody wanted to do it. So I thought, well, there's that's a good place to go because it was kind of a bit of a vacuum there, at least there was at the time. And I liked it. And, so I applied for an nephrology fellowship and I went and did that. And I'm really glad I did that, because those extra two years really gave me clarity and, confidence that I had a better grasp on the situation.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then, because that's just how I am, is I like to keep solidifying. What I know is that I went into academia for two years, and then, you know, the pay is so low. And again, you know, hats off to people in academia. I can see why they want to start selling supplements, doing other things, because there just is no money in academia.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I couldn't pay my loans off. That was really the problem. So I left academia in Philadelphia and Camden, new Jersey, and I went up to Maine, and I stayed there for ten years practicing conventional nephrology. I was 100% consultative nephrology, and I was still teaching. I was still teaching medical residents at the institution, where I was up in Bangor, Maine, and I was making lots of money, and I was really happy I had this beautiful house.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I really felt like I had kind of this idyllic life. I was, like, pretty much happy to get up in the morning and go to work. I actually love doing the dialysis. I loved my dialysis patients, and I would still do that if if that was an option for me. But I just felt that it wasn't after a while.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I watched the corporate, the corporate system take over our independent dialysis units and and nothing, nothing good. I don't really believe except financially. Maybe for the hospital really came of that. I saw them firing lots of nurses that I really loved. I don't think the patients were very happy about it, but that's how you conserve money when when you're putting out so much for these people's lives over a long period of time.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I'm not an administrator, so I can't speak to that. But before I left, I left in 2011, and sometime in 2008 or 2009, it's kind of become a little bit shadowy now, but I have a video that I did called honesty versus policy, where I detail every painful incident that happened with all the evidence and proof and documentation, and that's why my Odyssey channel, I had a few things happened to me.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I had a friend who had children that were never vaccinated, and that was a concept that was foreign to me. I never heard of not vaccinating your children, and I did. I got vaccinated before medical school. You know, flu vaccines were a part of life even though I refused them because just, you know, I'm an instinctive person and instinctively, I just, I, I didn't want it.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then I, agreed to have a vaccine and my fourth year of medical school during my emergency rotation. And man, that I got sicker than I've ever been in my life. And I even back then, I was like, well, that's really weird. I got the flu shot like a few weeks ago, and now I'm sicker than I've ever been.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And of course, everybody told me I was crazy. And I thought, well, maybe, maybe it's not related. And I put it to sleep. I went back to work. And then they chased me around trying to give me an updated measles shot up in Maine. And I was like, why did they want to give me a measles shot so badly?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I just like common sense. Why don't we check my blood and see what my titers are? Well, sure enough, my titers were, you know, off the chart because I'm vaccinated, and vaccinated people tend to get really high antibody titers, which is the, you know, the gold standard for testing whether you're immune or not.
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Dr. Paul Just yeah, especially that vaccine. I, I was I was checking all my patients titers for measles, mumps, rubella trying to avoid a booster. And it was amazing how many people were above the maximum testable limit. It was like, wow, what is going on with this one?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah.
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Dr. Paul Yeah.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So effective. Like, you know, it's so effective. Everyone has to have it. Because if measles creeps in, even the vaccinated will catch it. So we all got to do it. Same old story. So I had the friend with non-vaccinated children, and I remember one day I watching one of her kids play with a hammer and nails and, and I said to her, you know, you better be careful because she's not vaccinated.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And she could get tetanus. And she said, what do you know about tetanus? And in my in my head, I thought, I don't know anything about tetanus. And outside I said, I know you don't want to get it, and I know it can cause lockjaw and you don't want that. And, and, and in that very moment, I decided to make it the mission to go learn something about tetanus.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Because I realized, my conscience told me that. That there was a little bit of a, a vacuum there. So I went and did that. And in the meantime, I watched those kids be, like, ridiculously healthy. And it wasn't because of either their parents, because their parents were not good genetic stock. Okay. And then I saw the school that they went to was a Steiner school, which back in that time, there were a lot of non-vaccinated kids, kids there.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. I think since then Steiner's been a bit infiltrated the Steiner system. But anyway, a lot of those kids were just, like, really bright. Their parents would say they've never been. This was a new concept to me, never been on antibiotics. So I thought, oh, right. Well, I should probably pay attention to this because this is a health anomaly to me.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So I did, I paid attention, and I watched them over years, and I saw that if they got sick, they would just have a fever and burn it out in about 24 hours, and that would be the end of it. I saw them have whooping cough. I saw them have chicken pox. Okay, so that's in the background. And then one day in 2009, I go into work after having the weekend off and there's a guy on dialysis and I thought he was a visitor because we get a lot of visitors through main, and they just kind of come to our dialysis unit.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. While at the time they're on holiday and, I'm getting a history and I'm saying, how long have you been on dialysis? And he's like, I've never been on dialysis. This. He said it like, so pressured. Like he'd been trying to tell people and no one was listening to him, you know, like one of those bad dreams. And, so I thought, all right, all right, well, what happened?
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And he said I was fine till I had that shot, and I looked and sure enough, his kidney function about a month before the shot was perfectly normal, had been normal in the past. And then all of a sudden, he's on dialysis. So I thought, okay, well. And I looked up ten flu shots caused kidney failure. And sure enough, you see enough of it in the medical literature.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then of course, I was, yeah, I was doubted every step of the way if I would bring it up. And I was told to do my own research, because then there became a series of these cases. I started asking, taking a vaccine history, that that winter. Another thing that people don't do with adults, I'm told, you know, by my critics know it's always done with children.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Well, trust me, it's not always done.
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Dr. Paul No, it's not.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. Especially in the inpatient setting. It's not done. So I started doing it in the inpatient setting. Oh my gosh. The correlations were just really ridiculous, that I saw there. So I thought, all right, well that's interesting. And then okay, tip number three, I admitted a patient to the, hospital because we used to do our own biopsy admissions.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. There was an older woman who had a protein losing nephropathy pretty serious. I tried to manage it medically and I couldn't, and I really needed to see what was going on inside of her kidney in her glomerulus. So I get up to the floor after my day of working in the office to do the admission, and I pick up the chart and I see that two vaccines had been given the seasonal influenza, and then the H1n1 were given to her and I, and I thought I must have the wrong chart.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So I look again and nope, that's her name. And then I look again, and I see that my name is as the signing position to give the vaccine. And at that point, I started to, boil internally and I had a discussion with the nurse who said, oh no, this is what we do now. The pharmacist comes by and is the patient's admitted.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Of course, they go in as fast as they can before the doctor gets there, and they give him a little piece of pink paper that gives them some propaganda. And if the patient agrees, they are given the shot. And so that's where I just I really said, okay, now I just can't sit back and watch this. So I did some research and I wrote, I wrote a white paper and that paper is now on my website, Doctor Suzanne net.
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Dr. Paul So Doctor Humphreys, we have the same thing happening in newborns and children. And this has been going on for about the same duration. It's been a decade at least, where I would go into the hospital to do a newborn check, and they had already gotten the happy vaccine and I didn't order it. And in fact, I was unable at this main hospital that I was practicing at to get that changed.
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Dr. Paul I could not get the standing order changed. They just wouldn't do it. So the only way I could prevent newborns from getting that shot when they didn't need it, which was most newborns? Well, every single newborn in my practice now isn't the one that mom had that be. So, the only way was to educate the parents ahead of time, and I didn't always have the ability to do that.
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Dr. Paul But. So this has been happening for a while. The system was set up to just push vaccines into people, whether or not they needed them.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. It's really it's just horrid what happens with the infants. And then they have the crash carts and the caffeine resuscitation waiting by, don't they.
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Dr. Paul In the NICU? They absolutely do.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. Yeah. And same with dialysis patients, although they are they're much older obviously. But we found that we would give them several series of four shots and they were still not responding. But it doesn't look, you just you can't make sense of a lot of this anyway. So so I sent my letter to all these CEOs, at the hospital, and I heard nothing back.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. And then, I had a few conversations. Just to make a long story short, I had a few conversations with the chief of medicine, who was previously very friendly to me and became progressively more unfriendly to me. Even though all I was asking was that they would hold off vaccinating until the day of discharge, when everything was stable.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. They couldn't see the the problem with giving a vaccine to somebody, say, I mean, I walked into a room of a, guy in his 20s who was actively getting chemotherapy for leukemia, and they and I was consulted for kidney failure, and they vaccinated him before I got there to, it just didn't matter. There's there's no unsafe time to give a vaccine, apparently.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. So, so that's how it all started for me. And after a while, I, you know, I could have stayed in there if I had, like the tenacity of some of the, some people, but I didn't. I just felt like, okay, I have something here that's really, really relevant. I need to learn more about it. And I'm going to bring the message directly to the public, because going through, doing my own research, as they suggested, they'll tie me up for years and then they'll say that it's just the case reports and it's done by an anti-vaxxer or whatever, whatever.
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Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, I knew their game already, so I just really didn't want to play their game. And I've never played their game. So you walk away.
00:16:01:17 - 00:16:03:03
Dr. Paul From a very lucrative practice.
00:16:03:03 - 00:16:05:51
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, yeah. And to the University of
00:16:05:56 - 00:16:09:47
Dr. Paul How did you support yourself? How did you survive it?
00:16:09:52 - 00:16:29:31
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. So I went from having $300,000 a year, but I did. I was able to pay my loans off and that's about it. I paid my loans off. I hadn't paid my mortgage off. But I did so I was able to get out of the mortgage and break even, and. And I didn't want to go into debt because I didn't know where things were going to go.
00:16:29:31 - 00:16:45:46
Suzanne Humphries M.D. So I went and I lived with my sister for a while, and then I went and lived on a farm, in Virginia and friend's farm with the horses. And I pitched a tent in the back of the farm, and that's where I lived. And I pitched two tents, what? Actually, one of them was a pop up camper.
00:16:45:46 - 00:16:50:42
Suzanne Humphries M.D. That's where I slept. It's not a lot. If you've ever been in a pop up camper, you really don't live in a pop up camp.
00:16:50:53 - 00:16:54:15
Dr. Paul No, I, I had one for some time.
00:16:54:19 - 00:17:13:26
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Right? So one end storage and the other end is for sleeping, and the middle is it's a disaster. And then so I got the biggest tent I could get from Rye. I was like a ten person tent. And I got a really nice chair and kind of a rickety old desk, and I set that up, and that was my office and I and me.
00:17:13:26 - 00:17:31:37
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And about 5000 daddy longlegs lived in that tent, because what I found later is that apparently they're attracted to the color orange. And so every time I would have to have a brush outside to get into the tent to get rid of, like the millions, that is not a million, but hundreds of daddy longlegs that were just hanging on to it, just didn't want them inside with me.
00:17:31:37 - 00:17:52:14
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I have a phobia of them or anything. But if you did have arachnophobia, you wouldn't have wanted to be me back then. So that's that was the middle of writing Dissolving Illusions. And so I pretty much had my time free. I was not in debt, and I think I might have been doing a little bit of maybe online consultation here and there, which actually was enough to kind of buy food.
00:17:52:19 - 00:18:11:29
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And I never skimp on my food. I always eat healthy, but I wasn't spending any money. And so I did that for probably like a year and a half. And then the Scandinavians were interested in what I had to say. So they invited me to Scandinavia and, and I went to, you know, what I think was three years in a row.
00:18:11:29 - 00:18:35:13
Suzanne Humphries M.D. I went there and at the last year I went, I think I hit pretty much all the Scandinavian countries, plus Finland, which actually is not a Scandinavian country. I found out later. But all the other ones, including Iceland, and that was really cool. Yeah. So that's kind of how this all started. And so Dissolving Illusions came out in 2013, and then my autobiography came out in 2016.
00:18:35:18 - 00:18:57:04
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. And, yeah, the rest is kind of history. And, and, you know, I left conventional medicine not really knowing what I was going to do medically or career wise, and never I didn't. I still don't want to make a career out of battling vaccines, but I seem to keep allowing myself to be pulled back into it, even when I think I'm living a quiet life and getting back to normal.
00:18:57:08 - 00:19:00:02
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. So that's not element.
00:19:00:07 - 00:19:21:20
Dr. Paul So Dissolving Illusions was the book that turned me around from what we were taught, and I'm sure you were taught the same thing in medical school as I was. The vaccines spared the world from these terrible diseases, from smallpox to polio and you name it. Right? And you shattered that in that book. We won't have time for you.
00:19:21:21 - 00:19:39:00
Dr. Paul You could do a whole daylong lecture series on what's in that book. But the nutshell of it maybe touch on a couple things that are just take home messages that people, if they haven't read the book or heard you speak on this, are going to go, what? I didn't know that polio, for example.
00:19:39:05 - 00:19:58:30
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. Well, so what happened is Roman had already started writing the book and he's a data guy, and he had gotten the vital statistics as many as were available throughout the world. And looked at over time that looked at the death rates for different diseases. And sometimes some of our graphs have the disease rates, and we have to distinguish between the death rates and the disease rates.
00:19:58:44 - 00:20:19:58
Suzanne Humphries M.D. So we looked at the death rates versus the disease rate. But most importantly, he found that the death rates had already gone down. An avalanche nearly to the x axis of a graph, before the vaccines came in. And to Roman that that was significant. And he started looking up historically. Why that might have been. And then I was kind of inching my way there on my own.
00:20:20:09 - 00:20:41:53
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And he heard me on, the Gary Know radio show and contacted me. And I read this manuscript and I thought, that's really good. I'll just write the chapter on polio, and you can call it Dissolving Illusions by Roman Bastianich with polio chapter by Suzanne Humphreys. And then as the more I started to read it, the more I, I just kept contributing different things because as a medical doctor, I had a different set of, understanding.
00:20:41:58 - 00:20:59:52
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And so we ended up coauthoring and it was actually Mayor Eisenstein, of all people who said, Suzanne should be the first author. When I you know, I think we could argue that maybe Roman should have been the first author, but I ended up being the first author, and, that gave me all the glory. And it gave me all a lot of the pain for doing that.
00:20:59:57 - 00:21:30:05
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. So it was those death charts. And so we basically tell the story of why, what the diseases are, why the death rates were so high back then, what the evidence showed, and the fact that the gross national product, really revealed a story that people still find hard to believe, which is that about 3.5% of the contribution to the decline in death rate over time for the 11 major, infectious diseases had to do with the medical system, had to do with antibiotics.
00:21:30:05 - 00:21:49:17
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And so when you look at gross national product, you're able to see where spending is. And so I'm not a financial person. This is something probably, you know, Katherine Austin Fitz could answer back better than me. But, that was a study by McKinley and McKinley that we cite in the book, which has hundreds of references. And, yeah.
00:21:49:17 - 00:22:26:38
Suzanne Humphries M.D. So it's just an it's an interesting story and it kind of throws a bit of, wet rag on this idea that, vaccines are the reason that we live longer. Vaccines are the reason why we have this wonderful society, why infant mortality went down when. I don't know, Paul, if you read the whole story on Purple Fever, but that that was a hard, I know, a hard one to swallow, that the death rates for purple fever were, you know, in the 1700s and 1800s were, you know, upwards where sometimes as high as 30, I think 30 something percent.
00:22:26:38 - 00:22:52:05
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And at one Paris hospital, the death rate from purple fever. And some I've seen some citations that were even higher because doctors refused to believe that they could have dirty hands, and that they could go into a cadaver and do a dissection and then go right in and birth a baby where the midwife rates weren't such. And, you know, the guys told them to wash their hands with lime solution were, ostracized just the same way that we are.
00:22:52:10 - 00:23:10:49
Suzanne Humphries M.D. So yeah, there just so many interesting stories that were so contrary. And so when you when you start understanding that you go, oh, wow, well, well, why didn't they tell us this in medical school? What difference would would that have made? And then I started learning more about the, you know, the vaccine paradigm and how that all began.
00:23:10:49 - 00:23:24:07
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And, some of the propaganda and outright lies that were actually called out by doctors of the time over for about 200 years, which is what our companion book really points out. That's my favorite part of the companion book.
00:23:24:41 - 00:23:26:19
Dr. Paul And forth, right?
00:23:26:24 - 00:23:49:21
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, yeah. So you just keep reading and just keep finding more information. And, you know, again, my message to the public isn't don't vaccinate. My message to the public is, okay, you've already heard all that. Now listen to this. Listen to what? What Roman and I have dug up. And you and lots of other your experience and other doctors experiences, and you decide for yourself where the mainstream message is always vaccine saved lives.
00:23:49:21 - 00:24:05:31
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Vaccines are safe. Vaccines are effective. Vaccinate your child or your child could die or you're going to be a disease spreader. Well, yeah, I trust people to come up to their own conclusions and to be responsible for their own children. Because if your kid gets hit really bad by a vaccine, guess who's going to be going to be dealing with it?
00:24:05:33 - 00:24:27:22
Suzanne Humphries M.D. You. The government's not going to help you. Except maybe if you're really lucky, really wealthy and have good attorneys and maybe you're a medical doctor, they can sue and get millions of dollars and then have your case closed and nobody can ever use it for reference, because we know that happens. So people really need to be empowered regarding this because it's a matter of your kid's brain and immune function for the rest of their lives.
00:24:27:27 - 00:24:28:12
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah.
00:24:28:17 - 00:24:54:04
Dr. Paul So the graphs that were so surprising to me when I read your book where, you know, you go from these massive deaths from vaccines to almost zero, and then the vaccines are introduced, but the same pattern for diseases for which we didn't have vaccines. And I think when when I saw that, I was like, oh, wow. So it had to be something other than vaccines that that caused this massive reduction in disease and death.
00:24:54:09 - 00:25:10:50
Dr. Paul And you outlined that so beautifully. Sanitation, you know, clean cleaner water, living, refrigeration. I mean, it's it was technology and engineers that really made the biggest difference. Lifestyle things.
00:25:10:55 - 00:25:34:04
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah, absolutely. And so right. So things like cholera and, well, purple fever, you know, because there were no antibiotics, until the 1940s. And then you've got rheumatic fever. And, you know, that was a big crippler that that crippled more people than polio. And as Doctor Fred Cleaner talked about, nobody wanted to look at those cripples because, you know, their legs worked.
00:25:34:04 - 00:25:42:16
Suzanne Humphries M.D. But the fact of the matter is, rheumatic fever was far more of a problem, far more, you know, far more, numerous in terms of crippling children.
00:25:42:21 - 00:25:44:52
Dr. Paul And that went away without a vaccine. Right?
00:25:44:57 - 00:26:02:06
Suzanne Humphries M.D. That. Well, they had a vaccine. It was a I believe it was a toxoid vaccine, but it caused such massive problems that just quietly removed it. We do talk about that as well. Yeah. So the critics, you know, when they lose that battle about the death rates going down, then they go, oh, you know, but there were still diseases.
00:26:02:06 - 00:26:31:22
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And and you know, you can you can take up hospital beds and you can have side effects and adverse effects from the diseases and you know, yeah, that's true. There were still the diseases. We didn't we didn't eradicate measles, due to sanitation. We did not eradicate mumps due to sanitation. We didn't eradicate chicken pox. But what happened was, if you look closely, the incidence rates that were reported did go down.
00:26:31:22 - 00:26:57:06
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And the question is always do those curves go down because the diseases are so mild that parents just and doctors didn't even report it? I think that's a lot of it. But these are diseases that, are not deadly. I still hear doctors that I respect quite a bit banging on about giving Tylenol for fevers. So we look historically at the death rates for different diseases or the complication rates for different diseases.
00:26:57:10 - 00:27:16:24
Suzanne Humphries M.D. We have to look at how those diseases were treated by the medical system. We have to not just look at nutrition and child labor laws, but what were the medical system doing? Like for measles? They were injecting the blood of the parents into the buttock of the child. They weren't even blood typing to do that. There was cause causing massive problems, not just necrosis of tissue, but immunologic problems.
00:27:16:24 - 00:27:40:09
Suzanne Humphries M.D. In that sense they were giving sedatives. We have that problem today, lots of aspirin. That's been a problem in the past. For smallpox. They were putting people in dark rooms, bleeding them, purging them with mercury. And we talked about that in the book. So what how are they treating it? That's a huge difference. And so this comes into play today, whether you're vaccinated or not is how the medical system is treating.
00:27:40:13 - 00:28:06:43
Suzanne Humphries M.D. I use that word very gingerly. The diseases that are presenting and and what I find when I go over the, the mortality, the death cases that are given to me, today, as I see that nutrition is not even like the food pyramid is what they call nutrition. And so that's okay if you want to bring your child with, constipation, stomach cramps, vomiting and measles, you want to bring some chicken nuggets, some sprite, and some some French fries.
00:28:06:57 - 00:28:27:21
Suzanne Humphries M.D. That's considered great. And then they can just give you laxatives if you're constipated. There's zero nutrition and they either zero vitamin C, they don't get vitamin C, they don't check vitamin C levels. We know that vitamin C levels are low with when patients are sick entering the hospital. We know that they drop further in hospital. So these kids basically walking around scurvy, they don't check vitamin D levels.
00:28:27:21 - 00:28:42:48
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Something that could be really helpful is to give some vitamin D. How do I know this? Because this is what I do to people on the outside, and they don't have to go into the hospital. And then we have the fever, the fever phobia. Even amongst people, like I said, that I highly respect like this has to stop.
00:28:43:01 - 00:29:03:24
Suzanne Humphries M.D. It just absolutely has to be researched and taught properly in medical school. And the other doctors need to be reeducated on the fever because this whole idea. Okay, febrile seizures if you have if your child has a fever procedure. Yes, that's not a good thing. And yes, that can be a problem later in life. They can continue to have several seizures.
00:29:03:28 - 00:29:15:27
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Is that really the only way to deal with a fever? Help me Paul, help me out with this because I'm going to interview you now. Is that the only way to deal with the fever is to give Tylenol? How? What else could we possibly do to deal with the fever? Help me out.
00:29:15:32 - 00:29:34:30
Dr. Paul First of all, I have to say, do not give Tylenol. It is probably the worst thing you can do because it blocks the production of glutathione. And we need glutathione to fight infections to detox. So it is it is going to make things worse, not better. But there are simple ways to bring a fever down. You can actually let water evaporate off your hot skin.
00:29:34:30 - 00:29:50:15
Dr. Paul And the fever comes right down. So a lukewarm or wet washcloth on the body allow the water to evaporate, and the fever will come down within minutes. You know, there's some natural things you can do, but, yeah, it's not something to be feared. We actually need that fever to help fight infection.
00:29:50:20 - 00:30:11:43
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Thank you, thank you. Okay, so we've create heat shock proteins with that fever. We're calling in cytokines. Chemokines, white blood cells that are going to do the job. Now we don't want the fever to get out of control. But to me the key is let's treat the infection. Let's treat the child. And then the fever can come down.
00:30:11:43 - 00:30:32:10
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And, okay. Can I ask you another question? This question is because I've seen this several times. Have you ever seen Tylenol or any, you know, fever lowering, drug giving, given to a child with a fever and they have the seizure when the fever comes down because it's come down too quickly?
00:30:32:15 - 00:30:47:40
Dr. Paul Yeah. It's the change in the temperature that can cause the seizure. So if there it goes rapidly up or rapidly down, either way it can happen. We could have another whole discussion about what might actually be causing these febrile seizures, but, that would be another whole topic.
00:30:47:45 - 00:30:52:27
Suzanne Humphries M.D. I think it absolutely needs to be explored. Can we do that sometime? If not today? Some other time?
00:30:52:31 - 00:31:16:30
Dr. Paul Yeah, absolutely. I didn't realize it went way, way back, but you mentioned how it's how the medical system treats patients with infections, especially if they're not vaccinated. That might be part of the problem. We just saw this. We all went through Covid and saw that patients hospitalized with Covid were actually being mismanaged and dying because of that, in massive scale.
00:31:16:44 - 00:31:34:04
Dr. Paul So, I mean, I had friends who were on their way to the hospital, told them, stop. I knew somebody who could get them oxygen and ivermectin in the next day. They were fine. They would have been hospitalized, intubated and dead. And we had these two measles cases. And I know you were involved with at least one of them supposed death from measles.
00:31:34:04 - 00:31:54:57
Dr. Paul And I would after listening to your, interview that you did on this and also to, Peter Corey's interview is quite clear. Neither of those kids in Texas died from measles. They had measles. Maybe one of them, for sure. One of them maybe. But they didn't die from measles. So we still, to this date, have not had a child in the US die of measles in over a decade.
00:31:55:10 - 00:31:57:06
Dr. Paul Is that right?
00:31:57:10 - 00:32:27:48
Suzanne Humphries M.D. Yeah. So here's where they'll just they'll they'll grab any bone they can. They'll say they didn't die of measles, but if they were vaccinated and didn't get measles, they wouldn't have got the secondary infection and then they wouldn't have died. Well, how about if they had competent doctors and parents who understood nutrition because we had, an, Department of Health in the United States that actually talked about real nutrition, and doctors that knew how to treat an immune system rather than dealing with diseases as they see them and only prevention.
00:32:27:48 - 00:32:36:54
Suzanne Humphries M.D. And like pretty much everything they did was just upside down, inside out and backwards. It was it was an appalling experience for me to read through that chart.
00:32:36:59 - 00:32:56:42
Dr. Paul Yeah. Well, thank you for the huge effort you put into it, because I think it's important that we set the record straight because the media will forevermore talk about those two deaths, whereas those of us who know better know that it wasn't measles that killed those kids. We've run out of time. I'm going to have to get you back because there are so many things I want to talk to you about.
00:32:56:47 - 00:33:11:37
Dr. Paul But before we leave, I was wondering if you could share with our viewers where they can get your information. You mentioned a website. You mentioned somewhere where you have your some of your written documents. What's the best way to get your information yours? You have so much good information.
00:33:11:42 - 00:33:30:55
Suzanne Humphries M.D. If you just want to do the easiest thing, just go to Dissolving illusions.com, because that has pretty much everything where you can reach Roman and myself and all of the links to our other websites. But my personal website is Doctor Suzanne Dot net. And then there's my Odyssey channel, where I had to move all of my videos off of YouTube when they canceled me.
00:33:30:55 - 00:33:51:27
Suzanne Humphries M.D. I always spell it wrong, but it's odyssey.com. It's a video specialty service, and the CEO wrote to me and thanked me for using it, so I assume that I'm safe there for now. And then finally there's ex that and my ex handle is Dr. Susie A and EH7. And yeah, Joe Rogan built my audience back for me.
00:33:51:27 - 00:33:54:13
Suzanne Humphries M.D. So go there because that's where I do all of my posting.
00:33:54:18 - 00:34:08:15
Dr. Paul Fantastic. But since you brought up Joe Rogan and I was so intrigued that you were able to my masterful interview, by the way, I watched the whole thing. Did you get push back at all from that? I know you've had pushback from a lot of things.
00:34:08:20 - 00:34:16:43
Suzanne Humphries M.D. You want to get into that now? I guess that's the whole conversation, because, yeah, the answer is yes. I have had.
00:34:16:48 - 00:34:37:18
Dr. Paul I well, I want to thank you for being willing to stick your neck out for our world. I mean, for our kids, for society. At great cost to you personally. So thank you very much. So, folks, you can follow me, find me at Kids First forever.com. I look forward to seeing you next week. We're going to have Doctor Suzanne Humphreys back in the very near future.
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