A pro-vaccine mother of one sat down with me and asked the questions most parents are afraid to ask out loud.

A mother of a nine-month-old came to this conversation already pro-vaccine, having read Vax Facts, and she wanted to press me directly on the questions that keep so many parents up at night. I welcomed it. This episode is that full conversation, unscripted and unfiltered.

In this episode, we cover:

• Trust and bias on both sides of the vaccine conversation
• Why no childhood vaccine has ever been tested against a true saline placebo
• How the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act removed liability from vaccine manufacturers
• How the clinical definition of polio changed alongside the vaccine's introduction
• The financial incentives built into a pediatric practice
• My own published study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated patients
• Why isolating vaccines from other health variables is so difficult
• What parents told me about the guilt and isolation of this decision

Show Notes

With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 210: Pediatric Perspectives: Must See: Pro Vaccine Mom Meets Dr. Paul Thomas with a Mother

Host:

 Dr. Paul Thomas, MD (Retired)

Guest: New Mom

Air Date: 

 September 16, 2026, 11:30 a.m. PT

Length: 

 Approximately 63 minutes

Summary

In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by a pro-vaccine mother of a nine-month-old, identified here only as New Mom, for a single continuous conversation testing his views against her own tough, direct questions.

The discussion moves through trust and bias on both sides of the vaccine debate, the absence of proper placebo testing in childhood vaccine studies, liability protections created by the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act, how the definition of polio changed alongside the vaccine's introduction, informed consent, relative risk, the financial incentives built into pediatric practice, Dr. Paul's own published practice data comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated patients, the difficulty of isolating vaccines from other variables in chronic illness, and the emotional isolation parents feel making this decision. The focus remains educational and informational, emphasizing context, clinical judgment, and informed decision-making — particularly as it relates to children and families.

Key Points

• 00:00:59 — Dr. Paul opens the episode and introduces the format: a pro-vaccine mom asking him the tough questions
• 00:01:36 — Guest introduction: a mother of one nine-month-old who has read Dr. Paul's book Vax Facts
• 00:02:00 — New Mom frames the core problem: bias exists on both the pro-vax and anti-vax sides, making trustworthy information hard to find
• 00:07:28 — Dr. Paul on the absence of proper saline-placebo testing for childhood vaccines, and the incentives behind industry-funded studies
• 00:10:10 — Discussion of the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act and the liability protection it grants vaccine manufacturers
• 00:13:06 — Dr. Paul explains how the clinical definition of polio changed at the same time the vaccine was introduced, in both the U.S. and later in India
• 00:19:31 — The financial mechanics of a pediatric practice: admin fees, markups, bonuses, and insurance-contract pressure tied to vaccination rates
• 00:31:00 — Dr. Paul describes his practice's published vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated study, requested by the Oregon Medical Board, and its later retraction
• 00:40:56 — New Mom describes the isolation and guilt parents feel on either side of the vaccination decision
• 00:45:05 — Dr. Paul on what a properly designed vaccine safety study would require: saline placebo, years of follow-up, and all health outcomes tracked
• 01:01:03 — Closing exchange and thanks

Quote

"I think that people believe what they're saying to be true too, and that's not always the truth either."

  — New Mom

Resources

• Must See: Pro Vaccine Mom Meets Dr. Paul Thomas — CHD TV Episode Page
• Vax Facts — Dr. Paul Thomas and DeeDee Hoover, referenced directly by the guest in the episode
• Kids First 4Ever
• Doctors and Science

Disclaimer

The information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.

#WithTheWind, #PediatricPerspectives, #VaxFacts, #InformedConsent, #VaccineSafety, #KidsFirst4Ever, #DoctorsAndScience, @DrPaulThomas

The information provided in this content is for informational and educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. It is not a substitute for consultation with a qualified healthcare professional. Always seek the advice of your physician or other licensed healthcare provider before making any medical decisions, including starting any new diet, supplement regimen, exercise program, or wellness protocol. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking treatment because of something you have read here. The use of this information is at your own risk. This content does not establish a doctor-patient relationship. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you experience any adverse reactions or medical concerns, discontinue use immediately and consult a medical professional.

Be sure to check out our podcast version!

A pro-vaccine mother of one sat down with me and asked the questions most parents are afraid to ask out loud.

A mother of a nine-month-old came to this conversation already pro-vaccine, having read Vax Facts, and she wanted to press me directly on the questions that keep so many parents up at night. I welcomed it. This episode is that full conversation, unscripted and unfiltered.

In this episode, we cover:

• Trust and bias on both sides of the vaccine conversation
• Why no childhood vaccine has ever been tested against a true saline placebo
• How the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act removed liability from vaccine manufacturers
• How the clinical definition of polio changed alongside the vaccine's introduction
• The financial incentives built into a pediatric practice
• My own published study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated patients
• Why isolating vaccines from other health variables is so difficult
• What parents told me about the guilt and isolation of this decision

What is the real risk of pertussis compared to the vaccine designed to prevent it — and what happens when a family isn't given the space to say no?

In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I was joined by Kari Bundy, a health freedom advocate whose son Mason died three days after his four-month vaccines, and by Polly Tommey, who turned the interview around to ask me about pertussis, the DTaP/Tdap vaccine, and SIDS. Kari's story is a hard one, but it's the kind of story parents deserve to hear before they're standing in an exam room being told their baby needs a shot right now.

In this episode, we cover:

• Kari Bundy's account of the pressure she and her husband faced to vaccinate her son Mason at his four-month checkup, despite his recent illness
• What happened in the days following Mason's DTaP (Pentacel) vaccine, and the loss the family experienced
• How Kari approached her next son's whooping cough differently, and what she used to support his recovery
• Kari's advice to parents on decision-making from a place of calm rather than fear
• My own clinical perspective on acellular pertussis vaccine effectiveness and comparative death-risk data
• The connection between SIDS, the Back to Sleep program, and the timing of infant deaths relative to vaccination

Show Notes

With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 209: Pediatric Perspectives: A Big Whoop: Pertussis + Death After DTaP with Kari Bundy and Polly Tommey

Host: Dr. Paul Thomas, MD (Retired)

Guests: Kari Bundy — health freedom advocate, national grassroots coordinator, US Council on Domestic Relations Polly Tommey — Children's Health Defense TV host and advocate

Series: Pediatric Perspectives

Length: Approximately 27 minutes

Summary

In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined first by Kari Bundy, who shares the story of her son Mason's death three days after his four-month vaccines, and then by Polly Tommey, who turns the interview around to ask Dr. Paul about pertussis, the DTaP/Tdap vaccine, and SIDS.

This conversation covers Kari's account of the pressure she and her husband felt to vaccinate Mason despite his recent illness, what happened afterward, and how she made a different choice for her next child when he later contracted whooping cough. The second half of the episode explores Dr. Paul's clinical perspective on pertussis vaccine effectiveness, infant death data, and SIDS, grounded in his years of pediatric practice and the research referenced in his book Vax Facts. The focus remains educational and informational, emphasizing context and informed decision-making for families.

Key Points

• 00:00:59 — Dr. Paul opens the show and welcomes guest Kari Bundy
• 00:01:18 — Kari Bundy's background in health activism, journalism, and grassroots advocacy
• 00:02:46 — Kari recounts Mason's four-month checkup, the pressure from providers, and the DTaP (Pentacel) vaccine given March 1, 2011
• 00:05:26 — Mason found unresponsive three days after the shots, on March 5, 2011
• 00:07:20 — Kari's second son, Ollie, and the family's decision not to vaccinate him
• 00:07:29 — Ollie contracts whooping cough at 13 months and recovers using a vitamin C protocol
• 00:12:00 — Kari's advice to parents on decision-making and not acting from fear
• 00:14:09 — Polly Tommey joins to interview Dr. Paul about pertussis, DTaP/Tdap, and SIDS
• 00:18:53 — Dr. Paul discusses acellular pertussis vaccine effectiveness and comparative death-risk data
• 00:21:42 — Discussion of SIDS, the Back to Sleep program, and the timing of infant deaths relative to vaccination
• 00:25:34 — Closing summary and Dr. Paul's guidance on reducing toxic exposures and supporting the immune system

Quote

"I've never made a good decision when I've made it from a place of fear. I've learned through losing Mason that when I'm afraid, it's the time to step back and try to be more logical." — Kari Bundy

Resources

• Episode 137: LIVE FROM THE V.I.E. EVENT! – The Highwire
• Kari Bundy – Facebook Videos
• The "Tweakable" Wise Traditions Diet: Making an Ancestral Diet Work for You with Sally Fallon Morell

Disclaimer

The information provided in this content is for informational and educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. It is not a substitute for consultation with a qualified healthcare professional. Always seek the advice of your physician or other licensed healthcare provider before making any medical decisions, including starting any new diet, supplement regimen, exercise program, or wellness protocol. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking treatment because of something you have read here. The use of this information is at your own risk. This content does not establish a doctor-patient relationship. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you experience any adverse reactions or medical concerns, discontinue use immediately and consult a medical professional.

#WithTheWindWithDrPaul, #PediatricPerspectives, #KariBundy, #PollyTommey, #Pertussis, #DTaP, #VaxFacts, #KidsFirst4Ever, @KariBundy, @PollyTommey, @KidsFirst4Ever, @DoctorsAndScience

The information provided in this content is for informational and educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. It is not a substitute for consultation with a qualified healthcare professional. Always seek the advice of your physician or other licensed healthcare provider before making any medical decisions, including starting any new diet, supplement regimen, exercise program, or wellness protocol. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking treatment because of something you have read here. The use of this information is at your own risk. This content does not establish a doctor-patient relationship. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you experience any adverse reactions or medical concerns, discontinue use immediately and consult a medical professional.

Be sure to check out our podcast version!

What is the real risk of pertussis compared to the vaccine designed to prevent it — and what happens when a family isn't given the space to say no?

In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I was joined by Kari Bundy, a health freedom advocate whose son Mason died three days after his four-month vaccines, and by Polly Tommey, who turned the interview around to ask me about pertussis, the DTaP/Tdap vaccine, and SIDS. Kari's story is a hard one, but it's the kind of story parents deserve to hear before they're standing in an exam room being told their baby needs a shot right now.

In this episode, we cover:

• Kari Bundy's account of the pressure she and her husband faced to vaccinate her son Mason at his four-month checkup, despite his recent illness
• What happened in the days following Mason's DTaP (Pentacel) vaccine, and the loss the family experienced
• How Kari approached her next son's whooping cough differently, and what she used to support his recovery
• Kari's advice to parents on decision-making from a place of calm rather than fear
• My own clinical perspective on acellular pertussis vaccine effectiveness and comparative death-risk data
• The connection between SIDS, the Back to Sleep program, and the timing of infant deaths relative to vaccination

Sunburns, tetanus myths, water safety, and a homeopathic first-aid kit: Dr. Larry Palevsky's practical guide to a healthy summer outdoors.

Dr. Larry Palevsky, a practicing pediatrician, returns to With the Wind to talk through the summer season with Dr. Paul: sun exposure, tetanus, fireworks, water safety, diet, and a home first-aid kit built around homeopathy.

In this episode, we cover:

• Sun exposure, sunburn prevention, and an antioxidant-supportive diet for skin
• Tetanus: how the bacteria actually grows, and when a booster is and isn't needed
• Firework, burn, and water safety for the summer season
• Diet, screen time, and the value of unstructured outdoor free play
• A homeopathic and tissue-salt first-aid kit for common summer mishaps

Sunburns, tetanus myths, water safety, and a homeopathic first-aid kit: Dr. Larry Palevsky's practical guide to a healthy summer outdoors.

Dr. Larry Palevsky, a practicing pediatrician, returns to With the Wind to talk through the summer season with Dr. Paul: sun exposure, tetanus, fireworks, water safety, diet, and a home first-aid kit built around homeopathy.

In this episode, we cover:

• Sun exposure, sunburn prevention, and an antioxidant-supportive diet for skin
• Tetanus: how the bacteria actually grows, and when a booster is and isn't needed
• Firework, burn, and water safety for the summer season
• Diet, screen time, and the value of unstructured outdoor free play
• A homeopathic and tissue-salt first-aid kit for common summer mishaps

Show Notes

With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 208: Pediatric Perspectives: Nature, Sun & Real Play: Get Your Kids Outside This Summer with Larry Palevsky, M.D.

Host:

 Dr. Paul Thomas, MD (Retired)

Guest:

 Larry Palevsky, M.D., pediatrician

Series:

 Pediatric Perspectives

Air Date:

 September 16, 2026, 11:30 a.m. PT

Length:

 Approximately 29 minutes

Summary

In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by pediatrician Larry Palevsky, M.D. for a wide-ranging conversation on keeping kids healthy and safe over the summer, covering sunburns and sun exposure, wound care and tetanus, firework and burn safety, water safety, diet and free play, and a home first-aid kit built around homeopathy and tissue salts.

Key Points

• 00:00:59 — Dr. Paul opens the episode and welcomes back Dr. Larry Palevsky to talk about summer child-health topics
• 00:02:00 — Dr. Palevsky on sunburn prevention, sun exposure, and an antioxidant-supportive diet for skin
• 00:05:00 — Wound care and tetanus: why oxygen and irrigation matter, and when a booster is and is not needed
• 00:11:00 — Dr. Paul recounts a tetanus case from his practice involving a stitched, unirrigated scalp wound
• 00:14:00 — Firework and burn safety heading into July 4th and summer barbecues
• 00:16:00 — Water safety around pools, lakes, and oceans, plus home remedies for swimmer's ear
• 00:19:00 — Summer diet, screen time, and the value of unstructured outdoor free play
• 00:21:00 — Zinc-oxide-only sunscreen as Dr. Palevsky's preferred option
• 00:23:00 — Air-travel tips for kids with ear fluid, including homeopathic and tissue-salt remedies
• 00:27:00 — Closing message: get kids outdoors, off devices, and into natural sunlight

Quote

"I do believe that the sun is not our enemy."

 — Larry Palevsky, M.D.

Resources

• Nature, Sun & Real Play CHD TV Episode Page
•  https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/pediatric-perspectives-with-paul-thomas/nature-sun-and-real-play-get-your-kids-outside-this-summer-show-page/
• Vax Facts
•  https://vaxfactsbook.com
• Kids First 4Ever
•  https://www.kidsfirst4ever.com/
• Doctors and Science
•  https://www.doctorsandscience.com/

Disclaimer

The information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.

#WithTheWind, #PediatricPerspectives, #VaxFacts, #SummerSafety, #InformedConsent, #KidsFirst4Ever, #DoctorsAndScience, @DrPaulThomas

The information provided in this content is for informational and educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. It is not a substitute for consultation with a qualified healthcare professional. Always seek the advice of your physician or other licensed healthcare provider before making any medical decisions, including starting any new diet, supplement regimen, exercise program, or wellness protocol. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking treatment because of something you have read here. The use of this information is at your own risk. This content does not establish a doctor-patient relationship. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you experience any adverse reactions or medical concerns, discontinue use immediately and consult a medical professional.

Be sure to check out our podcast version!