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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Podcast 201: Pediatric Perspectives: Dangerous Realities of Modern Medicine with Suzanne Humphries, M.D.

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    What does it actually take to manage childhood infections, support a chronically ill child, and build lasting health — without defaulting to pharmaceutical intervention?

    In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I'm joined again by Suzanne Humphries, M.D. — board-certified internist and nephrologist, co-author of Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History, and one of the most thorough medical researchers I know. Following her widely viewed appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience, Dr. Humphries has spent months responding to detailed public critiques of that interview — and in this conversation, we focus on what she has always emphasized most: how to actually support health, especially in children.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • How Dr. Humphries's background in nephrology shaped her understanding of how drugs and environmental inputs affect the body
    • The "blueprint for health" — her foundational framework built on nutrition, hydration, sunlight, and community rather than pharmaceutical management
    • What she has seen work for children with chronic conditions, including autism, enlarged tonsils, and recurrent illness — and why dietary compliance has to be complete and sustained
    • How she managed measles cases during a 2019 outbreak using intravenous and oral vitamin C, including a severely ill 11-year-old
    • Her publicly available whooping cough vitamin C protocol and how it has been used by families around the world
    • Where she places her hope for meaningful change in children's health — and why it isn't in government
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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Show 201: Pediatric Perspectives: Dangerous Realities of Modern Medicine with Suzanne Humphries, M.D.

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    What does it actually take to manage childhood infections, support a chronically ill child, and build lasting health — without defaulting to pharmaceutical intervention?

    Dr. Paul Thomas and Suzanne Humphries, M.D. discuss foundational health, vitamin C for measles and whooping cough, dietary approaches for autism, and why lasting change starts in the kitchen — not the clinic.

    In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I'm joined again by Suzanne Humphries, M.D. — board-certified internist and nephrologist, co-author of Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History, and one of the most thorough medical researchers I know. Following her widely viewed appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience, Dr. Humphries has spent months responding to detailed public critiques of that interview — and in this conversation, we focus on what she has always emphasized most: how to actually support health, especially in children.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • How Dr. Humphries's background in nephrology shaped her understanding of how drugs and environmental inputs affect the body
    • The "blueprint for health" — her foundational framework built on nutrition, hydration, sunlight, and community rather than pharmaceutical management
    • What she has seen work for children with chronic conditions, including autism, enlarged tonsils, and recurrent illness — and why dietary compliance has to be complete and sustained
    • How she managed measles cases during a 2019 outbreak using intravenous and oral vitamin C, including a severely ill 11-year-old
    • Her publicly available whooping cough vitamin C protocol and how it has been used by families around the world
    • Where she places her hope for meaningful change in children's health — and why it isn't in government
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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Podcast 200: Pediatric Perspectives: Focusing on Chronic Disease with Liz Mumper, M.D.

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    What's driving the dramatic rise in chronic childhood illness — and what can parents do about it?

    In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I'm joined by Liz Mumper, M.D. — a pediatrician with 45 years of clinical experience, founder of the Rimland Center for Integrative Medicine, and a leading trainer of clinicians who work with children with special needs through MAPS Medical Academy and Pediatric Special Needs. Dr. Mumper is also the author of Kids and COVID: Costly Mistakes That Must Never Happen Again. She is one of the physicians I most respect in this field, and this conversation is one I've wanted to have for a long time.

    Show Notes:

    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Show 200 — Pediatric Perspectives: Focusing on Chronic Disease with Liz Mumper, M.D.

    Host: Dr. Paul Thomas Guest: Liz Mumper, M.D. Series: Pediatric Perspectives Length: Approximately 34 minutes

    Summary

    In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by Liz Mumper, M.D., a pediatrician with 45 years of clinical experience, for a broad discussion on the rise of chronic illness in children.

    The conversation covers the dramatic increase in conditions such as autism, type 1 and type 2 diabetes, obesity, eczema, asthma, and autoimmune disorders observed over the past three decades. Dr. Mumper and Dr. Paul examine contributing factors including environmental toxin exposure, dietary changes, and vaccine-related concerns, drawing on their combined clinical experience and observations from practice. The discussion also addresses practical steps parents and families can take — including pre-conception preparation, nutritional support, toxin reduction in the home environment, and the role of informed decision-making — to support children's long-term health. The focus throughout is educational and informational, grounded in clinical context.

    Key Points (with Timestamps)

    • 1:35 — Guest introduction and episode overview — Dr. Paul introduces Dr. Liz Mumper, pediatrician and mentor, and frames the focus: chronic conditions in childhood.
    • 2:44 — The shift from acute to chronic illness — Dr. Mumper reflects on how pediatrics in the early 1980s centered on acute, treatable illnesses; today, chronic conditions dominate the landscape.
    • 3:40 — The rise of autism — Dr. Mumper describes the change in autism prevalence from approximately 1 in 5,000 children during her training to the current figure of approximately 1 in 31, with an even higher rate among boys in well-tracked states such as California.
    • 5:21 — Other chronic conditions on the rise — Type 1 and type 2 diabetes, obesity, eczema, allergies, asthma, and immune dysregulation are discussed, along with the role of diet, ultra-processed foods, and endocrine-disrupting chemicals.
    • 8:15 — Pre-conception and early childhood health — Dr. Mumper outlines proactive steps for families considering having children: starting at least six months before conception, optimizing diet, reducing pesticide and chemical exposures, and ensuring key nutritional levels including vitamin D, omega-3s, and methylated B vitamins.
    • 11:23 — Vaccine considerations in pregnancy and infancy — Both physicians share clinical concerns about maternal immune activation, the use of vaccines during pregnancy, and the cumulative aluminum load when multiple vaccines are administered simultaneously in infancy.
    • 15:07 — Modified and delayed vaccine schedules — Dr. Mumper and Dr. Paul discuss their experience with modified pediatric vaccine schedules, observations from unvaccinated siblings in their practices, and Dr. Mumper's patient chart review findings.
    • 19:21 — Parent observation and clinical trust — Dr. Mumper emphasizes that parents are reliable observers of their children and should be taken seriously when they report changes following a medical intervention.
    • 22:11 — Sudden infant death and temporal patterns — The physicians discuss the temporal clustering of sudden infant death relative to vaccine administration and the need to examine that relationship more rigorously.
    • 27:40 — Reducing environmental toxin exposure — Practical guidance on lead, mold, pesticides, cleaning products, and diet — including avoidance of fast food and ultra-processed foods, and attention to glyphosate in common agricultural products.
    • 30:07 — Acetaminophen and glutathione depletion — Dr. Mumper explains the mechanism by which acetaminophen depletes glutathione, affecting immune function, gut integrity, mitochondrial health, and detoxification.
    • 33:36 — Closing thoughts — Dr. Mumper encourages parents to trust their instincts, know their child, and seek clinicians who engage collaboratively. Dr. Paul echoes the importance of informed decision-making and the value of pausing before any irreversible medical intervention.

    Quote

    "I can't think of an example where the unvaccinated child was not the healthier sibling. They typically did not develop these chronic illnesses that we're talking about in terms of eczema and asthma and autism."
    — Liz Mumper, M.D.

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    Disclaimer

    The information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.

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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Show 200: Pediatric Perspectives: Focusing on Chronic Disease with Liz Mumper, M.D.

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    What's driving the dramatic rise in chronic childhood illness — and what can parents do about it?

    Dr. Paul Thomas and Liz Mumper, M.D. in conversation on Pediatric Perspectives, Show 200 of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, discussing chronic childhood illness, environmental toxins, and informed decision-making for families.

    In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I'm joined by Liz Mumper, M.D. — a pediatrician with 45 years of clinical experience, founder of the Rimland Center for Integrative Medicine, and a leading trainer of clinicians who work with children with special needs through MAPS Medical Academy and Pediatric Special Needs. Dr. Mumper is also the author of Kids and COVID: Costly Mistakes That Must Never Happen Again. She is one of the physicians I most respect in this field, and this conversation is one I've wanted to have for a long time.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • How the landscape of pediatrics has shifted over four decades — from acute, treatable illness to pervasive chronic disease
    • The dramatic rise in autism, type 1 and type 2 diabetes, obesity, eczema, asthma, and autoimmune conditions — and the contributing factors both physicians have observed in practice
    • What parents planning to have children can do to prepare — including nutrition, toxin reduction, and key supplementation benchmarks
    • Clinical concerns about vaccine administration during pregnancy and infancy, including the aluminum load when multiple vaccines are given simultaneously
    • What Dr. Mumper observed in the unvaccinated siblings of children with vaccine-related health changes in her practice
    • Practical steps for reducing environmental toxin exposure in the home, and why acetaminophen deserves more caution than it typically receives
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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Podcast 199: Pediatric Perspectives: Risking Everything with Suzanne Humphries, M.D.

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    What does it cost a physician to tell the truth — and what does the evidence actually show about vaccine safety, immune health, and children who have never been vaccinated?

    In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I'm joined by Suzanne Humphries, M.D. — board-certified internist and nephrologist, and co-author of Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History. Dr. Humphries has spent years studying vaccine history, immunology, and the clinical record, and like me, she's made professional choices that have come at a cost. This is one of the most substantive conversations I've had on this show.
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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul Show #199 — Pediatric Perspectives: Risking Everything with Suzanne Humphries, M.D.
     
    Host: Dr. Paul Thomas
    Guest: Suzanne Humphries, M.D. (board-certified internist and nephrologist)
    Series: Pediatric Perspectives
    Length: Approximately 25 minutes
     
    SummaryIn this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by Suzanne Humphries, M.D., board-certified internist and nephrologist, and co-author of Dissolving Illusions. The conversation covers Dr. Humphries’ path from conventional hospital medicine to vaccine safety advocacy, her observations about the health of unvaccinated children, her perspectives on the relationship between immune function and childhood illness, and her views on which vaccines she considers most and least defensible from a biological standpoint.
     
    The discussion is grounded in Dr. Humphries’ clinical background and her research into vaccine history and immunology. Dr. Paul shares observations from his own practice, including his experience with families who reported regression following vaccination. The conversation is educational and experiential in nature, framed around informed decision-making and parental awareness.
     
    Key Points
    • 1:35 — Opening and guest introduction. Dr. Paul welcomes Dr. Suzanne Humphries back to the show and acknowledges her work, including her book Dissolving Illusions and her participation in the Vaxxed bus tour.
    • 2:00 — The Vaxxed bus. Dr. Humphries describes how she joined the Vaxxed bus tour in late 2016, initially for a short stint before returning for a longer period. She clarifies her independent role — she was not involved in the film or the original bus initiative, which was driven by Polly’s personal story.
    • 3:37 — Hearing vaccine injury stories firsthand. Dr. Paul shares that for years he was receiving three to five new families per week — families who had been dismissed from other practices — and describes sitting with parents who recounted watching their children regress after vaccination. Dr. Humphries reflects on what she witnessed on the bus: the emotional toll on families, the dissolution of marriages, and grandparents taking on caregiving roles for older, severely affected grandchildren.
    • 6:36 — Colleagues who dismiss vaccine injury concerns. Dr. Paul asks about how to reach physicians who maintain that vaccines are safe and effective. Dr. Humphries is direct: she has largely given up trying to persuade colleagues and focuses instead on educating parents. She discusses the financial pressure, institutional opposition, and organized efforts to discredit dissenting physicians that make it difficult for doctors to speak openly — including the risk of having moles sent into their practices and coordinated efforts to bring them down.
    • 10:10 — Health of unvaccinated children. Dr. Humphries describes what she considers the baseline health advantage of unvaccinated children, characterizing it as “normal” rather than exceptional. She notes that unvaccinated children are not immune to other health challenges — diet, toxic exposures, and lifestyle still matter — and that vaccine avoidance alone, without broader health awareness, is not sufficient.
    • 11:31 — Childhood cancer and immune function. Dr. Paul asks about the relationship between vaccines and the rise in childhood cancer. Dr. Humphries draws on her observations from when she was leaving Maine — noting the opening of a large children’s cancer institute in Bangor — and discusses how vaccine ingredients such as animal DNA, viruses, and retroviruses may interact with overall immune function in ways that have not been adequately characterized, creating conditions she views as a setup for problems including cancer.
    • 14:31 — Which vaccines she considers most and least defensible. Dr. Humphries works through the schedule vaccine by vaccine. She calls for ending all pregnancy vaccines outright and the hepatitis B vaccine at birth, noting neither produces herd immunity. She calls for stopping flu shots and Covid shots on the same basis. She describes the mumps vaccine as ineffective from the start and notes that Merck falsified efficacy studies. She argues the tetanus vaccine should be elective and given only when a child is older — not to newborns or infants. She identifies Gardasil/HPV vaccines as a priority for immediate discontinuation based on the injury profile she has observed. She explains the IgG4 mechanism behind pertussis vaccine failure in repeatedly vaccinated children and adults. She acknowledges that viral vaccines — particularly measles — present a more complex picture, in part because widespread vaccination has interrupted the natural maternal immunity pathways that previously protected infants through the placenta and breast milk, and that vaccine-driven changes to population immunity have contributed to the resurgences now being observed.
    • 19:27 — Dr. Humphries’ personal position and its limits. She identifies herself as fully opposed to vaccination and explains the reasoning based on immunology, clinical experience, and available vaccinated/unvaccinated comparison data. She is also candid that not all parents or physicians are at the same point, and that she continues to see patients affected by vaccines and works to address those consequences.
    • 22:14 — What would happen if vaccination rates declined significantly. Both Dr. Paul and Dr. Humphries acknowledge this is a theoretical discussion. Dr. Humphries notes that vaccine manufacturers and the broader medical system have strong incentives to prevent a significant decline in uptake, and that the protective structure around vaccination programs has strengthened over time rather than weakened.
    • 23:00 — Where health actually comes from. Dr. Humphries shares her view on foundational health: good nutrition, hydration, sun exposure, and minimizing pharmaceutical intervention. Drawing on her nephrology background, she discusses the role of minerals and hydration in immune and electrical function, and the trade-offs many families make in the course of modern life.
    • 24:44 — Closing and preview. Dr. Paul thanks Dr. Humphries and previews a follow-up episode focused on natural approaches to managing illness, including scenarios where a vaccine-preventable disease does occur.
     
    Verbatim Quote“The non-vaccinated children and infants have an absolute edge on their health… because they’re normal. That’s what it’s supposed to look like.”
    — Suzanne Humphries, M.D.
     
    Resources & LinksDissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History
    https://dissolvingillusions.com/
     
    Dr. Suzanne Humphries, M.D. — Official Website
    https://drsuzanne.net/
     
    Vax Facts by Dr. Paul Thomas and DeeDee Hoover
    https://vaxfactsbook.com
     
    Kids First 4Ever
    https://kidsfirst4ever.com
     
    Doctors and Science
    https://doctorsandscience.com
     
    DisclaimerThe information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.
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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Show 199: Pediatric Perspectives: Risking Everything with Suzanne Humphries, M.D.

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    ​What does it cost a physician to tell the truth — and what does the evidence actually show about vaccine safety, immune health, and children who have never been vaccinated?

    Dr. Paul Thomas and Suzanne Humphries, M.D. in conversation on Pediatric Perspectives, Show 199 of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, discussing vaccine safety, unvaccinated children's health, and immune function.
    In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I'm joined by Suzanne Humphries, M.D. — board-certified internist and nephrologist, and co-author of Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History. Dr. Humphries has spent years studying vaccine history, immunology, and the clinical record, and like me, she's made professional choices that have come at a cost. This is one of the most substantive conversations I've had on this show.
    In this episode, we cover:
    • What Dr. Humphries witnessed firsthand on the Vaxxed bus tour — and why it changed her perspective on childhood vaccine injury
    • Why she has largely stopped trying to reach skeptical colleagues, and what she believes actually works instead
    • What the health of unvaccinated children actually looks like — and why "normal" is the right word
    • The vaccine schedule examined one by one: which she considers biologically indefensible, which present genuine complexity, and why
    • What foundational health actually requires, from a nephrologist's perspective

    ​What She Saw — and Couldn't Unsee

    Dr. Humphries joined the Vaxxed bus tour at the end of 2016. She had no involvement in the film or the founding of the initiative — that grew out of Polly's personal story. What she encountered on the bus were families showing videos of healthy, engaged children, and then the shots, and then a child who was no longer there in the same way. Marriages that didn't survive. Grandparents following grown boys they had minimum control over. She eventually had to step outside and stand with the families waiting in line rather than stay inside for the interviews.
    I have sat across from enough of those families in my own practice — three to five new ones a week for years — to understand exactly what she means. You cannot unsee what you see.

    ​​On the Vaccine Schedule

    Dr. Humphries worked through the schedule directly, and I want to represent what she said accurately:
    She calls for ending all pregnancy vaccines outright, hepatitis B at birth, flu shots, and Covid shots — none of which, she argues, produce meaningful herd or personal immunity. She describes the mumps vaccine as one that should never have been created, noting that Merck has faced serious accusations of falsifying its efficacy studies. The tetanus vaccine, she says, should be elective and age-appropriate — not given to newborns or infants. Gardasil/HPV vaccines she wants stopped immediately, citing a significant injury profile she has observed. On pertussis, she explains the IgG4 mechanism: repeated vaccination produces immune tolerance, which is why we see so much pertussis circulating in older vaccinated children and adults. Measles she acknowledges as the most complicated case — vaccination has disrupted the natural maternal immunity that previously protected infants through the placenta and breast milk, and the generation with genuine immune memory is aging out. She views that as a problem created by the program, not a justification for continuing it.
    "The non-vaccinated children and infants have an absolute edge on their health… because they're normal. That's what it's supposed to look like." — Suzanne Humphries, M.D.

    Where Health Actually Comes From

    ​I also asked about something I've observed over the course of my career: the apparent rise in childhood cancer. Dr. Humphries was careful not to overstate what the data shows — she acknowledged she can't offer precise statistics — but drew on something she witnessed directly: when she was leaving Bangor, Maine, a large, well-funded children's cancer institute had just opened that wasn't there at the start of her career. Her concern is that vaccine ingredients including animal DNA, viruses, and retroviruses — many not fully characterized — may interact with immune function in ways that demand better research. The vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies, she believes, would bring these patterns into clearer focus.
    ​Drawing on her nephrology background, Dr. Humphries is direct about where foundational health actually comes from: good nutrition, adequate hydration, sunlight, and minimal pharmaceutical intervention. Hydration in particular — most people are chronically dehydrated, and the mineral and electrical balance the immune system depends on requires it. These are not radical ideas. They are basics that a medical culture organized around intervention has largely displaced.
    ​Resources & Links
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