A pro-vaccine mother of one sat down with me and asked the questions most parents are afraid to ask out loud.

A mother of a nine-month-old came to this conversation already pro-vaccine, having read Vax Facts, and she wanted to press me directly on the questions that keep so many parents up at night. I welcomed it. This episode is that full conversation, unscripted and unfiltered.

In this episode, we cover:

  • Trust and bias on both sides of the vaccine conversation
  • Why no childhood vaccine has ever been tested against a true saline placebo
  • How the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act removed liability from vaccine manufacturers
  • How the clinical definition of polio changed alongside the vaccine's introduction
  • The financial incentives built into a pediatric practice
  • My own published study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated patients
  • Why isolating vaccines from other health variables is so difficult
  • What parents told me about the guilt and isolation of this decision

Show Notes

With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 210: Pediatric Perspectives: Must See: Pro Vaccine Mom Meets Dr. Paul Thomas with a Mother

Host:

 

 Dr. Paul Thomas, MD (Retired)

Guest: New Mom


Air Date: 

 September 16, 2026, 11:30 a.m. PT

Length: 

 Approximately 63 minutes

Summary

In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by a pro-vaccine mother of a nine-month-old, identified here only as New Mom, for a single continuous conversation testing his views against her own tough, direct questions.

The discussion moves through trust and bias on both sides of the vaccine debate, the absence of proper placebo testing in childhood vaccine studies, liability protections created by the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act, how the definition of polio changed alongside the vaccine's introduction, informed consent, relative risk, the financial incentives built into pediatric practice, Dr. Paul's own published practice data comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated patients, the difficulty of isolating vaccines from other variables in chronic illness, and the emotional isolation parents feel making this decision. The focus remains educational and informational, emphasizing context, clinical judgment, and informed decision-making — particularly as it relates to children and families.


Key Points

  • 00:00:59 — Dr. Paul opens the episode and introduces the format: a pro-vaccine mom asking him the tough questions
  • 00:01:36 — Guest introduction: a mother of one nine-month-old who has read Dr. Paul's book Vax Facts
  • 00:02:00 — New Mom frames the core problem: bias exists on both the pro-vax and anti-vax sides, making trustworthy information hard to find
  • 00:07:28 — Dr. Paul on the absence of proper saline-placebo testing for childhood vaccines, and the incentives behind industry-funded studies
  • 00:10:10 — Discussion of the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act and the liability protection it grants vaccine manufacturers
  • 00:13:06 — Dr. Paul explains how the clinical definition of polio changed at the same time the vaccine was introduced, in both the U.S. and later in India
  • 00:19:31 — The financial mechanics of a pediatric practice: admin fees, markups, bonuses, and insurance-contract pressure tied to vaccination rates
  • 00:31:00 — Dr. Paul describes his practice's published vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated study, requested by the Oregon Medical Board, and its later retraction
  • 00:40:56 — New Mom describes the isolation and guilt parents feel on either side of the vaccination decision
  • 00:45:05 — Dr. Paul on what a properly designed vaccine safety study would require: saline placebo, years of follow-up, and all health outcomes tracked
  • 01:01:03 — Closing exchange and thanks


Quote

"I think that people believe what they're saying to be true too, and that's not always the truth either."

  — New Mom


Resources

Disclaimer

The information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.

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