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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Show 212: Pediatric Perspectives: Making Our Children Well: Microbiome Health with Michelle Perro, M.D.

    Why is the health of a child's gut so central to their overall health — and what can parents actually do about it?

    Dr. Paul Thomas and Michelle Perro, M.D. in conversation on Pediatric Perspectives, Show 212 of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, discussing the child microbiome, probiotics, and infant formula safety.

    In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, Dr. Paul is joined by Michelle Perro, M.D., an integrative pediatrician and author of the new book Making Our Children Well: A Parent’s Guidebook. Dr. Perro returns to the show to talk through why the microbiome matters so much for infants and young children, how families can approach testing and probiotics without guesswork, and what her recent infant formula research uncovered.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • Why keystone gut microbes like Bifidobacteria infantis matter for a baby's developing immunity
    • How parents and pediatricians can approach microbiome testing, and what it costs
    • Why the first three years of life are a key window for restoring the microbiome
    • A "start low and slow" approach to choosing and introducing probiotics
    • Everyday, low-cost ways to reduce hidden environmental burdens on children's health
    • What Dr. Perro's infant formula testing found, and the California bill that followed
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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Podcast 212: Pediatric Perspectives: Making Our Children Well: Microbiome Health with Michelle Perro, M.D.

    Why is the health of a child’s gut so central to their overall health — and what can parents actually do about it?

    In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, Dr. Paul is joined by Michelle Perro, M.D., an integrative pediatrician and author of the new book Making Our Children Well: A Parent’s Guidebook. Dr. Perro returns to the show to talk through why the microbiome matters so much for infants and young children, how families can approach testing and probiotics without guesswork, and what her recent infant formula research uncovered.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • Why keystone gut microbes like Bifidobacteria infantis matter for a baby’s developing immunity
    • How parents and pediatricians can approach microbiome testing, and what it costs
    • Why the first three years of life are a key window for restoring the microbiome
    • A “start low and slow” approach to choosing and introducing probiotics
    • Everyday, low-cost ways to reduce hidden environmental burdens on children’s health
    • What Dr. Perro’s infant formula testing found, and the California bill that followed

    Show Notes

    With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 212: Pediatric Perspectives: Making Our Children Well: Microbiome Health with Michelle Perro, M.D.

    Host: Dr. Paul Thomas

    Guest: Michelle Perro, M.D. 

     (Integrative pediatrician)

    Series: Pediatric Perspectives

    Length: Approximately 32 minutes

    Summary

    In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by Michelle Perro, M.D. for a conversation on the child microbiome and its role in shaping lifelong health.

    The discussion covers why keystone gut microbes matter so much in early life, how parents can approach microbiome testing, what a cautious, "low and slow" approach to probiotics looks like, and the toxic-metal concerns Dr. Perro has raised about infant formula. The focus remains educational and informational, grounded in the guest's clinical experience and the themes discussed during the episode.

    Key Points

    • 00:02:13 — Why the child microbiome matters and how keystone microbes like Bifidobacteria infantis shape immunity
    • 00:05:30 — How parents and pediatricians can approach microbiome testing, including self-ordered lab testing
    • 00:08:13 — The first three years as a window of opportunity for restoring the microbiome
    • 00:10:50 — A "start low and slow" approach to probiotics, and what to look for in a product
    • 00:14:53 — Feeding the microbiome through diet, fiber, and prebiotics
    • 00:17:18 — Hidden environmental contributors to children's chronic health issues, including glyphosate, air quality, and EMFs
    • 00:22:55 — Infant formula, toxic metal testing, and a California bill on formula labeling

    Quote

    "So we have to be mindful to feed ourselves and feed our bugs." 

     — Michelle Perro, M.D.

    Resources

    Disclaimer

    The information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.

    #WithTheWindWithDrPaul, #PediatricPerspectives, #MicrobiomeHealth, #MichellePerro, #InfantFormula, #GutHealth, #ChildrensHealth, #KidsFirst4Ever, @KidsFirst4Ever, @DoctorsAndScience

    The information provided in this content is for informational and educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. It is not a substitute for consultation with a qualified healthcare professional. Always seek the advice of your physician or other licensed healthcare provider before making any medical decisions, including starting any new diet, supplement regimen, exercise program, or wellness protocol. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking treatment because of something you have read here. The use of this information is at your own risk. This content does not establish a doctor-patient relationship. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you experience any adverse reactions or medical concerns, discontinue use immediately and consult a medical professional.

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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Show 211: Pediatric Perspectives: Breaking Down Measles Misinformation with Ben Edwards, M.D. and Polly Tommey

    A doctor who treated measles on the ground in Texas, and a pediatrician forced to answer for the vaccine schedule himself — this episode covers both sides of the story.

    Dr. Paul, Ben Edwards, M.D., and Polly Tommey discussing measles treatment and MMR vaccine safety.

    In this episode, I'm joined by Ben Edwards, M.D., founder and medical director of Veritas Medical, who treated children directly during the Texas measles outbreak. Then Polly Tommey sits down with me to ask the questions parents are actually asking about the MMR vaccine. I'm answering them.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • What measles actually looks like on the ground, from a doctor who treated it firsthand in Gaines County
    • Why budesonide, delivered by nebulizer, worked so well for measles pneumonitis
    • Nutrition, cod liver oil, and vitamin A dosing to build a child's resilience before and during illness
    • Warning signs that mean it's time for the emergency room
    • What's actually in the MMR vaccine, and what changed in the package insert
    • The financial incentives built into the childhood vaccine schedule
    • The 1986 Immunization Act, liability, and how measles death risk compares to reported vaccine death risk
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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Podcast 211: Pediatric Perspectives: Breaking Down Measles Misinformation with Ben Edwards, M.D. and Polly Tommey

    A doctor who treated measles on the ground in Texas, and a pediatrician forced to answer for the vaccine schedule himself — this episode covers both sides of the story.

    In this episode, I'm joined by Ben Edwards, M.D., founder and medical director of Veritas Medical, who treated children directly during the Texas measles outbreak. Then Polly Tommey sits down with me to ask the questions parents are actually asking about the MMR vaccine. I'm answering them.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • What measles actually looks like on the ground, from a doctor who treated it firsthand in Gaines County
    • Why budesonide, delivered by nebulizer, worked so well for measles pneumonitis
    • Nutrition, cod liver oil, and vitamin A dosing to build a child's resilience before and during illness
    • Warning signs that mean it's time for the emergency room
    • What's actually in the MMR vaccine, and what changed in the package insert
    • The financial incentives built into the childhood vaccine schedule
    • The 1986 Immunization Act, liability, and how measles death risk compares to reported vaccine death risk

    Show Notes

    With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 211: Pediatric Perspectives: Breaking Down Measles Misinformation with Ben Edwards, M.D. and Polly Tommey

    Host: Dr. Paul Thomas

    Guests: Ben Edwards, M.D. — Founder and Medical Director, Veritas Medical Polly Tommey — Interviewer (Segment 2) (Credentials stated conservatively and accurately)

    Series: Pediatric Perspectives

    Length: Approximately 37 minutes (Segments 1–2)

    Summary

    In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by Ben Edwards, M.D., founder and medical director of Veritas Medical, for a firsthand account of treating children during the Texas measles outbreak, including nutrition, cod liver oil, and budesonide as supportive measures, and the role of informed consent around the MMR vaccine.

    In the second half of the episode, Polly Tommey turns the tables and interviews Dr. Paul directly, covering the ingredients and history of the MMR vaccine, financial incentives tied to childhood vaccination, the liability protections created by the 1986 Immunization Act, and a comparison of measles mortality risk against reported vaccine injury risk. The focus remains educational and informational, emphasizing context, clinical judgment, and informed decision-making—particularly as it relates to children and families.

    (No medical advice. No promotional language. Faithful to transcript content only.)

    Key Points

    • 00:00:59 — Dr. Paul opens Pediatric Perspectives and introduces Ben Edwards, M.D.
    • 00:03:27 — Ben Edwards' background: UT Houston medical school, chief resident in family practice at Waco, founder/medical director of Veritas Medical since 2012
    • 00:04:37 — Ben Edwards describes firsthand observations treating measles in Gaines County, Texas
    • 00:06:20 — Measles pneumonitis (airway inflammation) and the use of nebulized budesonide as supportive treatment
    • 00:10:44 — Nutrition recommendations for building resilience, including cod liver oil and vitamin A dosing
    • 00:17:20 — Warning signs for parents: respiratory distress and dehydration as reasons to seek emergency care
    • 00:17:32 — Ben Edwards on informed consent and risk-benefit analysis for the MMR vaccine
    • 00:24:18 — Polly Tommey interviews Dr. Paul on MMR ingredients, vaccine history, and package insert findings
    • 00:27:43 — Dr. Paul explains financial incentives and admin fee bonuses tied to childhood vaccination
    • 00:30:56 — The 1986 Immunization Act's liability protections, and a comparison of measles death risk versus reported MMR vaccine death risk

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    Quote

    "I always start with food. I mean, eat real food." — Ben Edwards, M.D.

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    Resources

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    Disclaimer

    The information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.

    #WithTheWindWithDrPaul, #PediatricPerspectives, #MeaslesTruth, #BenEdwardsMD, #PollyTommey, #InformedConsent, #VaxFacts, #ChildrensHealth, @KidsFirst4Ever, @DoctorsAndScience

    The information provided in this content is for informational and educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. It is not a substitute for consultation with a qualified healthcare professional. Always seek the advice of your physician or other licensed healthcare provider before making any medical decisions, including starting any new diet, supplement regimen, exercise program, or wellness protocol. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking treatment because of something you have read here. The use of this information is at your own risk. This content does not establish a doctor-patient relationship. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you experience any adverse reactions or medical concerns, discontinue use immediately and consult a medical professional.

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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Podcast 210: Pediatric Perspectives: Must See: Pro Vaccine Mom Meets Dr. Paul Thomas with New Mom

    A pro-vaccine mother of one sat down with me and asked the questions most parents are afraid to ask out loud.

    A mother of a nine-month-old came to this conversation already pro-vaccine, having read Vax Facts, and she wanted to press me directly on the questions that keep so many parents up at night. I welcomed it. This episode is that full conversation, unscripted and unfiltered.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • Trust and bias on both sides of the vaccine conversation
    • Why no childhood vaccine has ever been tested against a true saline placebo
    • How the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act removed liability from vaccine manufacturers
    • How the clinical definition of polio changed alongside the vaccine's introduction
    • The financial incentives built into a pediatric practice
    • My own published study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated patients
    • Why isolating vaccines from other health variables is so difficult
    • What parents told me about the guilt and isolation of this decision

    Show Notes

    With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 210: Pediatric Perspectives: Must See: Pro Vaccine Mom Meets Dr. Paul Thomas with a Mother

    Host:

     

     Dr. Paul Thomas, MD (Retired)

    Guest: New Mom


    Air Date: 

     September 16, 2026, 11:30 a.m. PT

    Length: 

     Approximately 63 minutes

    Summary

    In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by a pro-vaccine mother of a nine-month-old, identified here only as New Mom, for a single continuous conversation testing his views against her own tough, direct questions.

    The discussion moves through trust and bias on both sides of the vaccine debate, the absence of proper placebo testing in childhood vaccine studies, liability protections created by the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act, how the definition of polio changed alongside the vaccine's introduction, informed consent, relative risk, the financial incentives built into pediatric practice, Dr. Paul's own published practice data comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated patients, the difficulty of isolating vaccines from other variables in chronic illness, and the emotional isolation parents feel making this decision. The focus remains educational and informational, emphasizing context, clinical judgment, and informed decision-making — particularly as it relates to children and families.


    Key Points

    • 00:00:59 — Dr. Paul opens the episode and introduces the format: a pro-vaccine mom asking him the tough questions
    • 00:01:36 — Guest introduction: a mother of one nine-month-old who has read Dr. Paul's book Vax Facts
    • 00:02:00 — New Mom frames the core problem: bias exists on both the pro-vax and anti-vax sides, making trustworthy information hard to find
    • 00:07:28 — Dr. Paul on the absence of proper saline-placebo testing for childhood vaccines, and the incentives behind industry-funded studies
    • 00:10:10 — Discussion of the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act and the liability protection it grants vaccine manufacturers
    • 00:13:06 — Dr. Paul explains how the clinical definition of polio changed at the same time the vaccine was introduced, in both the U.S. and later in India
    • 00:19:31 — The financial mechanics of a pediatric practice: admin fees, markups, bonuses, and insurance-contract pressure tied to vaccination rates
    • 00:31:00 — Dr. Paul describes his practice's published vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated study, requested by the Oregon Medical Board, and its later retraction
    • 00:40:56 — New Mom describes the isolation and guilt parents feel on either side of the vaccination decision
    • 00:45:05 — Dr. Paul on what a properly designed vaccine safety study would require: saline placebo, years of follow-up, and all health outcomes tracked
    • 01:01:03 — Closing exchange and thanks


    Quote

    "I think that people believe what they're saying to be true too, and that's not always the truth either."

      — New Mom


    Resources

    Disclaimer

    The information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.

    #WithTheWind, #PediatricPerspectives, #VaxFacts, #InformedConsent, #VaccineSafety, #KidsFirst4Ever, #DoctorsAndScience, @DrPaulThomas

    The information provided in this content is for informational and educational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. It is not a substitute for consultation with a qualified healthcare professional. Always seek the advice of your physician or other licensed healthcare provider before making any medical decisions, including starting any new diet, supplement regimen, exercise program, or wellness protocol. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking treatment because of something you have read here. The use of this information is at your own risk. This content does not establish a doctor-patient relationship. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you experience any adverse reactions or medical concerns, discontinue use immediately and consult a medical professional.

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    With the Wind with Dr. Paul — Show 210: Pediatric Perspectives: Must See: Pro Vaccine Mom Meets Dr. Paul Thomas with New Mom

    A pro-vaccine mother of one sat down with me and asked the questions most parents are afraid to ask out loud.

    Dr. Paul Thomas in conversation with a pro-vaccine mother during a With the Wind interview

    A mother of a nine-month-old came to this conversation already pro-vaccine, having read Vax Facts, and she wanted to press me directly on the questions that keep so many parents up at night. I welcomed it. This episode is that full conversation, unscripted and unfiltered.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • Trust and bias on both sides of the vaccine conversation
    • Why no childhood vaccine has ever been tested against a true saline placebo
    • How the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act removed liability from vaccine manufacturers
    • How the clinical definition of polio changed alongside the vaccine's introduction
    • The financial incentives built into a pediatric practice
    • My own published study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated patients
    • Why isolating vaccines from other health variables is so difficult
    • What parents told me about the guilt and isolation of this decision