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With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 176: Pediatric Perspectives: Warning: Neurotoxins in Your Water with Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
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Dr. Paul
Good morning. PhD. Welcome to Pediatric Perspectives, where we are looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking. One that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. I'm your host, Doctor Paul. Today we are covering fluoride. And my guest today is Doctor Griffin Kohl, who is an expert on the topic of fluoride.
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Dr. Paul
Welcome back to the show, Griffin.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
It's great to be back, Paul. Thank you.
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Dr. Paul
Thank you for coming back. So, I want to get to the big news on the legal front, but just before we, just spill the beans. What's the big picture? I was going to have you give us a review of fluoride, because I think there are. There's always a new viewer who's going. What? What's fluoride? So. Yeah.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Well, I mean, I'm sure we'll get to that. So let's do the big news and then Judge Edward Chen in a federal court in San Francisco ruled on behalf of the good guys being, before at Action Network, Food and Water watch and Moms against Four Nation. They sued the EPA. It's now been seven years, Paul. So it was a seven year court case.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Covid played a role in that. And also, judge wanted to wait for several NTP reports, National Toxicology Program, that's, that's a section of Health and Human Services our government. So they came out with their fourth report. And in all these years, and it just confirmed once again, that babies born to moms who drink for their water have lower IQ and brain impairments as compared to those babies who were born and moms who didn't ingest for dead water.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it's a huge factor. It's unprecedented. We've never had a judge ever rule in favor of us and against water fluoridation. So it's huge.
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Dr. Paul
That is huge. Folks, let me take you back in time. So I am now a retired pediatrician. I don't diagnose or treat anymore. I'm just educating. And Doctor Griffith Cole, young enough, he's probably going to practice for another century. But, when I was in medical school, it was hammered into us as well. Actually, pediatric residency training is when we really got hammered.
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Dr. Paul
You have to give fluoride. If you didn't write a prescription for fluoride tablets for your patient, you were providing suboptimal care. And of course, the municipalities I think you know the statistics graphic, but I think it's most cities are fluoridated their water.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. 75% of the cities in our country we provide fluoridated water to more human beings than the rest of the world combined.
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Dr. Paul
Wow. And here we are giving a neurotoxin that is actually impairing the IQ of our kids. And this, you know, you mentioned this landmark legal case, which is awesome, but you've been on top of this information for decades, a couple decades, I think.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Right? Three decades.
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Dr. Paul
Three decades of of what are we doing here, folks? This is a neurotoxin. Here's the science. It's massive. And yet pediatricians are still pushing fluoridation. I know pediatric dentists, a lot of them. Right. You're in the dental field. What's happening in your field?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah a lot. You know, there's a lot of pushback right now. Obviously from mainstream dentistry. The Ada is they just came out yesterday with an article saying that despite this ruling, we still say it's safe and effective. And it's just the same old rhetoric over and over again. None of the EPA experts disagreed with the fact that fluoride is a neurotoxic, and they all agreed to that.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So that to me was alone like a huge point. And I think that really hit hard on Judge Chen because he said in his ruling, probably the strongest words were fluoridation at current levels poses an unreasonable risk to children's IQ. So, we'll talk about human health, and, and, and Judge Chen made no bones about an 80 page ruling.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
You can probably find it online now, but, he, he basically agreed with all of our points. And so, I, you know, now, to me, you can no longer sit back and say that you don't know because so much science came out in this court case. I mean, they had experts from all over the world. And in the end, everybody agreed that fluoride does cause these brain impairments in children.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So I think that's sort of the end of the end of the argument.
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Dr. Paul
Right. So if I'm watching this and I'm a young parent and I live in a town that has fluoridated water, what do I do?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. You know, it's a good question. Well, first thing, you have your biggest ally. Now you have your biggest tool in your toolbox. With this court ruling. In fact, just as of today, I think there's already been five cities across the country that said we're done. That's that's good enough for us. We're stopping it. So that's huge.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
But that's the first thing I'd say is, if they're not aware, you can let them know what this ruling was and how critical it really is. Because, by the way, because of this ruling, that doesn't mean that the EPA has to end fluoridation tomorrow. I mean, they can delay and stall. There's no written, there's no words in the actual ruling saying that you have the information tomorrow.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
But it's a very important ruling in that it's now we've all agreed that it's a neurotoxic and as you mentioned and so and so it's, it's the duty of citizens to go to their city council meetings, go to their schools, get together in some kind of grassroots formation, and, and start fighting this because they now know that they have to do something about this, at the very least, putting filters, maybe on the water fountains at the children's schools or what, wherever public use is happening, they've got a responsibility now.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. And I don't know that all filters remove fluoride. Do you happen to know that's true?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
No, they don't like, I mean, Berkey and Propia and some other ones are really good. If you put them on your showerheads and on your taps. But no, a lot of filters. I mean, if you do like a reverse osmosis, that will get rid of about 97% of it, but you can't drink that water because it's devoid of all minerals.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So you got to be careful.
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Dr. Paul
Okay. I would rather drink water devoid of minerals than drink for I. So, think about it, that if you're eating organic produce and a large variety of it, and especially just don't wash it, wash your vegetables that well, you'll get lots of minerals. Yeah. I've had a hard time going up to the senators and going up to the school board, and and because I didn't know what information to take with me.
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Dr. Paul
Do you have do you have a recommendation for where to get the resources to so that you go at least armed with some information?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I'd say probably the Fluoride Action network is the greatest resource. It's, fluoride alert.org org, and you'll find everything on there. Paul. The entire history of it, all the facts about it points to make, as you say, if you're going to argue. Listen, I've been doing this for three decades, and I've been treated very poorly at some of these hearings, and it's just the way it is.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I mean, some of these people just don't want to change. And even if you present them with all the science and the facts and, and really good justifications as to why you don't need to add this to our drinking water, sometimes it just falls on deaf ears. And that's why I think this court case is so important.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah, no. Absolutely. So I'm just going to say it do not drink fluoridated water, period. No matter what. It's poison. Where else are we at risk for getting exposure to fluoride? Obviously, if your pediatrician is writing you a prescription for fluoride tablets or fluoride supplements, don't fill it just period. I mean, sometimes you're you got a doctor who's so insistent this is important.
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Dr. Paul
We're telling you otherwise. It's the data is out there, but where else can people get inadvertently exposed to fluoride?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Paul. Unfortunately it's ubiquitous. I mean, it's everywhere, right? I mean, it's, and any, any foods that are watered with salted water have fluoride. There's natural foods like teas have high forehead content. Raisins have high fiber content. It's in a lot of medications for quinones SSRI eyes and a histamine some and acids. I mean you need to be aware of what you're taking if it's prescribed by a doctor and find out a fluorides in it.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And if there's some alternative that I highly recommend you do that. Don't cook on Teflon. Teflon coated cookware that's got a lot of fluoride content. Don't. If you have to eat microwave food for, you know, for goodness sakes, don't heat it in the actual plastic containers that it comes in. Yeah, it is everywhere. It's in drinks, juices, sodas.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it it does take an effort to try to avoid all forms.
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Dr. Paul
So I was familiar with some of those that you listed off. I didn't know raisins or for example, in certain foods. That's disturbing because how are people going to sort that out? I mean, I know we we say, all right, go organic, avoid glyphosate, make sure your foods, your organic. Now we have to have a fluoride label.
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Dr. Paul
How are we going to sort this out?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
You know what? I tell you how we started out. We turn the tap off. I mean, we just. We stop adding fluoride, and then that solves, a ton of problems. Yeah.
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Dr. Paul
Stop. Fluorinated in the water that the food that you're watering. Okay, so that really is the key. There ought to be an all out effort for that. Yeah. You're a dentist. You probably recommend toothpaste. I was taught in medical school, and then my dentist reinforced this. All for my children and what have you. For the last three decades, you need to use fluoridated toothpaste.
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Dr. Paul
What's your comment on that?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
No. Absolutely not. It's unnecessary. I always remember this for, for for anybody listening. Fluoride is not an essential nutrient. We don't need it for any enzymatic process in the body. No one's ever going to die from a lack of fluoride is unnecessary, and it's unnecessary for good dental health as well. I know it has a topical effect, but we have way better alternatives now.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
There's toothpaste out there now that are hydroxyapatite, that incorporate into the enamel. It's way better as far as anti caries. And you don't need any kind of fluoride. Also I recommend any toothpaste that has no fluoride and no SLS. That's the sodium laurel sulfate. That's the bubbling agent that can cause mouth ulcers. So and and I tell people you can brush with baking soda and water, you just need some kind of a promise to get the biofilm off your teeth.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That's really what toothpaste is supposed to be for.
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Dr. Paul
I grew up in a village in Africa, and nobody in the village had cavities, and I didn't have cavities as a kid in the village, I was there from the age of four till about 8 or 9. And what we used for toothbrushes. Well, I was the only kid in the village who actually had a toothbrush, but what everybody else did, they took a branch out of a certain tree, and you peeled the bark off.
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Dr. Paul
You chewed the end and turned it into a brush. The other big reason I think we didn't have much, dental issues as far as cavities was there were no sweets, right? You know, we were we were completely living off the land. So. Yeah, no sugars. And those sorts of things.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That gets back to the work of Weston Price, right? That famous dentist who who went all over the world and found out people who weren't eating refined sugars had no cavities.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. And that was my experience. Okay. So unfortunately, I've been, drinking this fluoride water for my whole life. My kids have been drinking it. I'm only just waking up to the fact that, oh, my gosh, I've been poisoned. Is there anything I can do? Is there any way to get right out of my body?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Let's talk about that. First and foremost, when we ingest fluoride of any kind, our, our kidneys excrete about half of it, so we retain about 50%. Usually our calcified tissues like our bones. However, there are some things you can do. So I'm going to just start with basics, and then I'll get a little more detail. Okay.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
First and foremost avoid all sources we've talked about that do the best you can to avoid all sorts of fluoride exercise. Just sweating. We have to eliminate toxins and sweating alone is going to help. If your diet is predominantly alkaline, which I'm sure you've recommended on on many podcasts, your body can actually detox a little bit better when it's not acid.
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Dr. Paul
That's not. Explain that, though, to our viewers who don't understand what an alkaline.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Okay, so so anybody can go online and type in alkaline foods, but just, really, you know, green leafy vegetables are very alkaline. Even pasture raised meat is actually alkaline. Now, other kinds of meats that aren't raised that way are a very acid, but green leafy vegetables, if you remember nothing else, that's something that you need to get in your system.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
It's very often.
00:14:05:31 - 00:14:16:09
Dr. Paul
Yeah. I learned actually, that, lemons, which you would think of as acid, because if they're natural and they're organic, they have an alkaline izing effect in the body.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. In fact, I used to tell patients, start your morning with a tall glass of water and squeeze lemon because it does form an alkaline ash in the body. You're absolutely right. Yeah.
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Dr. Paul
Fascinating.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Now, some some other things. Vitamin D or really hormone D? Iodine is great, but I would do iodine in food, shellfish, liver, some dairy. I wouldn't do it as a supplement.
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Dr. Paul
Seaweed is is very high and then. Right.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Very high iodine calcium is also good. Now a couple of things that you probably don't know. Turmeric. Turmeric has a natural neuroprotective effect. There's been numerous studies on this. So take into remember it's fluorides neurotoxin. So if we can have a neuroprotective effect that's going to counter that. And hopefully eliminate that just by that alone Tamara which is like an African fruit if you can get it, has been shown to actually increase the urinary excretion of fluoride.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So turmeric and tamarind are two good things. Some some people say boron is as well. But if you can remember just those basic things, vitamin D, iodine, calcium, turmeric, tamarind and sweat, I think that's the best way to learn it because it's tough.
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Dr. Paul
That's that's really great advice. Do you happen to have a preferred form of turmeric?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Not really. No. I mean if you can get it right from Hawaii, right from the ground there, then that's the way that I would do it. But no.
00:15:39:25 - 00:15:51:47
Dr. Paul
In my study of toxins, I learned this thing about synergistic toxicity that, you know, does that apply at all? The fluoride, it's kind of where one toxin plus another one plus one isn't two. It might be 5 or 10.
00:15:51:52 - 00:16:11:35
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. Well fluoride is used, as I mentioned, in a lot of medications because of its, exacerbating effect. It it gets things across the blood brain barrier. It gets in the body quicker and not in a good way. The biggest. Yeah, the biggest one is lead. Fluoride exaggerates the effects of lead. And we learned about lead years ago.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And of course, we, they, they made regulations for that. But when you ever hear about things like Flint, Michigan, where they had that lead exposure on the water, right, there was this awful water accident. There was lead. Now coming in our water. What they didn't tell you was the reason why the lead was coming in your water was because of the hydrofluoric acid.
00:16:30:25 - 00:16:54:25
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
The fluoride added to it corrodes the brass pipes and makes that stuff leach out. So it has a very, very negative, exaggerated effect on lead. That's the most important one. But also one more thing for honest fluoride affects every single enzyme reaction in the body. Every single one. So that alone is the reason not to ingest this in any form or fashion.
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Dr. Paul
Wow, this fluoride thing is a lot bigger than I realized. Yeah, you and you've been pounded on this thing for three decades. Wow. Thank you for your persistence. You know, it's, it's just mind boggling that we still have municipalities adding this poison to our water systems.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And, you know, on top of that, 95% of the world doesn't fluoride. Only 5% does. And we do it more than all the other. I think it's like 11 countries. And that's to change. But I mean, it's just like it's unnecessary even at these low amounts of like they say 0.7 isn't that high. Well, we saw effects on children's brains at levels of that low.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it is.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. It's it's one of those things where like with lead poisoning when I was in training 35, 45 years ago, you could have lead levels of 50 and it was okay. Were around that then it was 35, then it was 15. And then it's down to five. And we've come to realize there is no safe level of lead or mercury or fluoride or arsenic.
00:17:58:40 - 00:18:00:21
Dr. Paul
Some things are just poisonous.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That's exactly right. And and this holds true for fluoride. In fact, in 2006, when the National Research Council was tasked with getting scientists together to look at whether issues were of, fluoride in the water, the algae, which is the maximum contaminant level goal, that's the that's the goal that our experts say are safe for human consumption. Right now, it's four parts per million.
00:18:23:31 - 00:18:30:37
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
The NRC said. After all, their investigation happens, it should be zero. So we shouldn't have any of it added to our water.
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Dr. Paul
So four parts per million. How does that relate to the stuff being put in water? How many parts per million is that equal.
00:18:36:52 - 00:18:45:48
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it's that was 2.7 parts per million is what they're adding for water fluoridation okay. But right now the EPA allows as high as four parts per million.
00:18:45:48 - 00:18:47:26
Dr. Paul
So oh my goodness.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah.
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Dr. Paul
And we already know that point seven is dangerous. It's crazy.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah that makes no sense.
00:18:52:49 - 00:19:13:12
Dr. Paul
It makes no sense. All right. I want you to have the last word. You are my go to guy for fluoride. And I am now convinced I need to wake up to this thing, and I, I've I've I've given up fluoride toothpaste a long time ago. Sure. And I try to avoid the water. Almost exclusive. And filter my water.
00:19:13:17 - 00:19:28:46
Dr. Paul
Yeah. But, yeah, for anybody out there that's watching this, just sort of now waking up like I have woken up. What just lists the most important things? These are the must do things. These are the things do if you can.
00:19:28:51 - 00:19:43:08
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. Because this needs to be affordable for everybody. So, you know, just turning off the fluoride tap is everything. That's what I've been fighting for all these years is. Yeah, you know it. I can afford to buy spring water. I can afford to avoid it, but most people can't. And so by turning it off, that's the biggest thing.
00:19:43:08 - 00:20:05:22
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So now we've got, like I said, this is your biggest ally. Now is this court ruling. So learn about it and take it to your city councils. Take it to your schools and your communities and let them know that you're just not going to stand for anymore. Because now it has been proven and now been adjudicated and, and, and and agreed and ruled on by a federal judge that this stuff needs to stop.
00:20:05:27 - 00:20:21:33
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So that's your biggest thing beyond that, you know, like I said, just do your best to avoid it. You know, I mean, obviously if you can afford spring water or drink spring water, if you want to filter it and do that, do that. But try to avoid drinking tap water and find out if you're if your actual community is for them.
00:20:21:36 - 00:20:37:19
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
As you know, as we mentioned earlier, about 75% are, but there are some that are not. And be very grateful if you live in one of those communities. And as I mentioned, more and more are now going to be jumping on the bandwagon and stopping it. So we've got a nice snowball rolling. And I want to keep this thing rolling.
00:20:37:24 - 00:20:56:51
Dr. Paul
Yeah. I wonder if we had a few attorneys in every town or state, Sue the water bureaus that are fluoridated water for the damage to their children. Yeah. Those losses are they're not protected. Are they? From lawsuit?
00:20:57:03 - 00:21:09:00
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Well, here's the thing. There are people who have brought suits before, and it always ended, in favor of the, the communities who are water forgetting. So that's why this, this, this, this ruling.
00:21:09:03 - 00:21:10:44
Dr. Paul
This is precedent. This is.
00:21:10:48 - 00:21:27:23
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Huge. Because now we've got a precedent. Exactly. Okay. You know, Michael Connett, who was the lead attorney on this, is brilliant. And and he'd be a good resource if somebody want to reach out to him. But, I think you're right. Now there needs to be a fear of getting sued because now you have no you have no argument.
00:21:27:23 - 00:21:31:27
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
We now know that this is toxic and. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:31:31 - 00:21:44:01
Dr. Paul
Well, that should be powerful enough. Thank you. So, once more, where people can go to get the best information as they arm themselves to go present to their senators and water bureaus and school boards, etc..
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah, I think fluoride alert dawg is good. Also, the academy that I'm a longtime member of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology I a omt.org. Those are two good resources for anything and everything fluoride that you could find.
00:22:00:55 - 00:22:03:12
Dr. Paul
That's awesome. Now, are you still practicing?
00:22:03:21 - 00:22:15:43
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I'm not. Pi. I saw my practice a few years ago, and I thought I'd be retired and enjoying life. And as it turns out, I'm lecturing and teaching ozone and mentoring. And, I'm busier than I ever was.
00:22:15:48 - 00:22:33:25
Dr. Paul
Okay, well, I I know that feeling. I'm semi-retired, and but I'm still here. I am on this show with you and, speaking this weekend in Chattanooga, Tennessee, I but but it's it's fun to be out there making a difference. Thank you for everything you're doing to really help the health of our world. So I appreciate you very much for.
00:22:33:25 - 00:22:34:54
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
All you do, Paul, I appreciate.
00:22:34:54 - 00:22:55:04
Dr. Paul
It. Take care. Well, folks, you can also catch me at Doctors and science.com, my show with the wind and for those who want to get in touch with me personally, either for coaching, or otherwise, go to kids first forever.com. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next week.
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Dr. Paul
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Dr. Paul
Good morning. PhD. Welcome to Pediatric Perspectives, where we are looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking. One that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. I'm your host, Doctor Paul. Today we are covering fluoride. And my guest today is Doctor Griffin Kohl, who is an expert on the topic of fluoride.
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Dr. Paul
Welcome back to the show, Griffin.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
It's great to be back, Paul. Thank you.
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Dr. Paul
Thank you for coming back. So, I want to get to the big news on the legal front, but just before we, just spill the beans. What's the big picture? I was going to have you give us a review of fluoride, because I think there are. There's always a new viewer who's going. What? What's fluoride? So. Yeah.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Well, I mean, I'm sure we'll get to that. So let's do the big news and then Judge Edward Chen in a federal court in San Francisco ruled on behalf of the good guys being, before at Action Network, Food and Water watch and Moms against Four Nation. They sued the EPA. It's now been seven years, Paul. So it was a seven year court case.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Covid played a role in that. And also, judge wanted to wait for several NTP reports, National Toxicology Program, that's, that's a section of Health and Human Services our government. So they came out with their fourth report. And in all these years, and it just confirmed once again, that babies born to moms who drink for their water have lower IQ and brain impairments as compared to those babies who were born and moms who didn't ingest for dead water.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it's a huge factor. It's unprecedented. We've never had a judge ever rule in favor of us and against water fluoridation. So it's huge.
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Dr. Paul
That is huge. Folks, let me take you back in time. So I am now a retired pediatrician. I don't diagnose or treat anymore. I'm just educating. And Doctor Griffith Cole, young enough, he's probably going to practice for another century. But, when I was in medical school, it was hammered into us as well. Actually, pediatric residency training is when we really got hammered.
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Dr. Paul
You have to give fluoride. If you didn't write a prescription for fluoride tablets for your patient, you were providing suboptimal care. And of course, the municipalities I think you know the statistics graphic, but I think it's most cities are fluoridated their water.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. 75% of the cities in our country we provide fluoridated water to more human beings than the rest of the world combined.
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Dr. Paul
Wow. And here we are giving a neurotoxin that is actually impairing the IQ of our kids. And this, you know, you mentioned this landmark legal case, which is awesome, but you've been on top of this information for decades, a couple decades, I think.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Right? Three decades.
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Dr. Paul
Three decades of of what are we doing here, folks? This is a neurotoxin. Here's the science. It's massive. And yet pediatricians are still pushing fluoridation. I know pediatric dentists, a lot of them. Right. You're in the dental field. What's happening in your field?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah a lot. You know, there's a lot of pushback right now. Obviously from mainstream dentistry. The Ada is they just came out yesterday with an article saying that despite this ruling, we still say it's safe and effective. And it's just the same old rhetoric over and over again. None of the EPA experts disagreed with the fact that fluoride is a neurotoxic, and they all agreed to that.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So that to me was alone like a huge point. And I think that really hit hard on Judge Chen because he said in his ruling, probably the strongest words were fluoridation at current levels poses an unreasonable risk to children's IQ. So, we'll talk about human health, and, and, and Judge Chen made no bones about an 80 page ruling.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
You can probably find it online now, but, he, he basically agreed with all of our points. And so, I, you know, now, to me, you can no longer sit back and say that you don't know because so much science came out in this court case. I mean, they had experts from all over the world. And in the end, everybody agreed that fluoride does cause these brain impairments in children.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So I think that's sort of the end of the end of the argument.
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Dr. Paul
Right. So if I'm watching this and I'm a young parent and I live in a town that has fluoridated water, what do I do?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. You know, it's a good question. Well, first thing, you have your biggest ally. Now you have your biggest tool in your toolbox. With this court ruling. In fact, just as of today, I think there's already been five cities across the country that said we're done. That's that's good enough for us. We're stopping it. So that's huge.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
But that's the first thing I'd say is, if they're not aware, you can let them know what this ruling was and how critical it really is. Because, by the way, because of this ruling, that doesn't mean that the EPA has to end fluoridation tomorrow. I mean, they can delay and stall. There's no written, there's no words in the actual ruling saying that you have the information tomorrow.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
But it's a very important ruling in that it's now we've all agreed that it's a neurotoxic and as you mentioned and so and so it's, it's the duty of citizens to go to their city council meetings, go to their schools, get together in some kind of grassroots formation, and, and start fighting this because they now know that they have to do something about this, at the very least, putting filters, maybe on the water fountains at the children's schools or what, wherever public use is happening, they've got a responsibility now.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. And I don't know that all filters remove fluoride. Do you happen to know that's true?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
No, they don't like, I mean, Berkey and Propia and some other ones are really good. If you put them on your showerheads and on your taps. But no, a lot of filters. I mean, if you do like a reverse osmosis, that will get rid of about 97% of it, but you can't drink that water because it's devoid of all minerals.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So you got to be careful.
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Dr. Paul
Okay. I would rather drink water devoid of minerals than drink for I. So, think about it, that if you're eating organic produce and a large variety of it, and especially just don't wash it, wash your vegetables that well, you'll get lots of minerals. Yeah. I've had a hard time going up to the senators and going up to the school board, and and because I didn't know what information to take with me.
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Dr. Paul
Do you have do you have a recommendation for where to get the resources to so that you go at least armed with some information?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I'd say probably the Fluoride Action network is the greatest resource. It's, fluoride alert.org org, and you'll find everything on there. Paul. The entire history of it, all the facts about it points to make, as you say, if you're going to argue. Listen, I've been doing this for three decades, and I've been treated very poorly at some of these hearings, and it's just the way it is.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I mean, some of these people just don't want to change. And even if you present them with all the science and the facts and, and really good justifications as to why you don't need to add this to our drinking water, sometimes it just falls on deaf ears. And that's why I think this court case is so important.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah, no. Absolutely. So I'm just going to say it do not drink fluoridated water, period. No matter what. It's poison. Where else are we at risk for getting exposure to fluoride? Obviously, if your pediatrician is writing you a prescription for fluoride tablets or fluoride supplements, don't fill it just period. I mean, sometimes you're you got a doctor who's so insistent this is important.
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Dr. Paul
We're telling you otherwise. It's the data is out there, but where else can people get inadvertently exposed to fluoride?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Paul. Unfortunately it's ubiquitous. I mean, it's everywhere, right? I mean, it's, and any, any foods that are watered with salted water have fluoride. There's natural foods like teas have high forehead content. Raisins have high fiber content. It's in a lot of medications for quinones SSRI eyes and a histamine some and acids. I mean you need to be aware of what you're taking if it's prescribed by a doctor and find out a fluorides in it.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And if there's some alternative that I highly recommend you do that. Don't cook on Teflon. Teflon coated cookware that's got a lot of fluoride content. Don't. If you have to eat microwave food for, you know, for goodness sakes, don't heat it in the actual plastic containers that it comes in. Yeah, it is everywhere. It's in drinks, juices, sodas.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it it does take an effort to try to avoid all forms.
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Dr. Paul
So I was familiar with some of those that you listed off. I didn't know raisins or for example, in certain foods. That's disturbing because how are people going to sort that out? I mean, I know we we say, all right, go organic, avoid glyphosate, make sure your foods, your organic. Now we have to have a fluoride label.
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Dr. Paul
How are we going to sort this out?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
You know what? I tell you how we started out. We turn the tap off. I mean, we just. We stop adding fluoride, and then that solves, a ton of problems. Yeah.
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Dr. Paul
Stop. Fluorinated in the water that the food that you're watering. Okay, so that really is the key. There ought to be an all out effort for that. Yeah. You're a dentist. You probably recommend toothpaste. I was taught in medical school, and then my dentist reinforced this. All for my children and what have you. For the last three decades, you need to use fluoridated toothpaste.
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Dr. Paul
What's your comment on that?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
No. Absolutely not. It's unnecessary. I always remember this for, for for anybody listening. Fluoride is not an essential nutrient. We don't need it for any enzymatic process in the body. No one's ever going to die from a lack of fluoride is unnecessary, and it's unnecessary for good dental health as well. I know it has a topical effect, but we have way better alternatives now.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
There's toothpaste out there now that are hydroxyapatite, that incorporate into the enamel. It's way better as far as anti caries. And you don't need any kind of fluoride. Also I recommend any toothpaste that has no fluoride and no SLS. That's the sodium laurel sulfate. That's the bubbling agent that can cause mouth ulcers. So and and I tell people you can brush with baking soda and water, you just need some kind of a promise to get the biofilm off your teeth.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That's really what toothpaste is supposed to be for.
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Dr. Paul
I grew up in a village in Africa, and nobody in the village had cavities, and I didn't have cavities as a kid in the village, I was there from the age of four till about 8 or 9. And what we used for toothbrushes. Well, I was the only kid in the village who actually had a toothbrush, but what everybody else did, they took a branch out of a certain tree, and you peeled the bark off.
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Dr. Paul
You chewed the end and turned it into a brush. The other big reason I think we didn't have much, dental issues as far as cavities was there were no sweets, right? You know, we were we were completely living off the land. So. Yeah, no sugars. And those sorts of things.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That gets back to the work of Weston Price, right? That famous dentist who who went all over the world and found out people who weren't eating refined sugars had no cavities.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. And that was my experience. Okay. So unfortunately, I've been, drinking this fluoride water for my whole life. My kids have been drinking it. I'm only just waking up to the fact that, oh, my gosh, I've been poisoned. Is there anything I can do? Is there any way to get right out of my body?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Let's talk about that. First and foremost, when we ingest fluoride of any kind, our, our kidneys excrete about half of it, so we retain about 50%. Usually our calcified tissues like our bones. However, there are some things you can do. So I'm going to just start with basics, and then I'll get a little more detail. Okay.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
First and foremost avoid all sources we've talked about that do the best you can to avoid all sorts of fluoride exercise. Just sweating. We have to eliminate toxins and sweating alone is going to help. If your diet is predominantly alkaline, which I'm sure you've recommended on on many podcasts, your body can actually detox a little bit better when it's not acid.
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Dr. Paul
That's not. Explain that, though, to our viewers who don't understand what an alkaline.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Okay, so so anybody can go online and type in alkaline foods, but just, really, you know, green leafy vegetables are very alkaline. Even pasture raised meat is actually alkaline. Now, other kinds of meats that aren't raised that way are a very acid, but green leafy vegetables, if you remember nothing else, that's something that you need to get in your system.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
It's very often.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. I learned actually, that, lemons, which you would think of as acid, because if they're natural and they're organic, they have an alkaline izing effect in the body.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. In fact, I used to tell patients, start your morning with a tall glass of water and squeeze lemon because it does form an alkaline ash in the body. You're absolutely right. Yeah.
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Dr. Paul
Fascinating.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Now, some some other things. Vitamin D or really hormone D? Iodine is great, but I would do iodine in food, shellfish, liver, some dairy. I wouldn't do it as a supplement.
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Dr. Paul
Seaweed is is very high and then. Right.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Very high iodine calcium is also good. Now a couple of things that you probably don't know. Turmeric. Turmeric has a natural neuroprotective effect. There's been numerous studies on this. So take into remember it's fluorides neurotoxin. So if we can have a neuroprotective effect that's going to counter that. And hopefully eliminate that just by that alone Tamara which is like an African fruit if you can get it, has been shown to actually increase the urinary excretion of fluoride.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So turmeric and tamarind are two good things. Some some people say boron is as well. But if you can remember just those basic things, vitamin D, iodine, calcium, turmeric, tamarind and sweat, I think that's the best way to learn it because it's tough.
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Dr. Paul
That's that's really great advice. Do you happen to have a preferred form of turmeric?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Not really. No. I mean if you can get it right from Hawaii, right from the ground there, then that's the way that I would do it. But no.
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Dr. Paul
In my study of toxins, I learned this thing about synergistic toxicity that, you know, does that apply at all? The fluoride, it's kind of where one toxin plus another one plus one isn't two. It might be 5 or 10.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. Well fluoride is used, as I mentioned, in a lot of medications because of its, exacerbating effect. It it gets things across the blood brain barrier. It gets in the body quicker and not in a good way. The biggest. Yeah, the biggest one is lead. Fluoride exaggerates the effects of lead. And we learned about lead years ago.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And of course, we, they, they made regulations for that. But when you ever hear about things like Flint, Michigan, where they had that lead exposure on the water, right, there was this awful water accident. There was lead. Now coming in our water. What they didn't tell you was the reason why the lead was coming in your water was because of the hydrofluoric acid.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
The fluoride added to it corrodes the brass pipes and makes that stuff leach out. So it has a very, very negative, exaggerated effect on lead. That's the most important one. But also one more thing for honest fluoride affects every single enzyme reaction in the body. Every single one. So that alone is the reason not to ingest this in any form or fashion.
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Dr. Paul
Wow, this fluoride thing is a lot bigger than I realized. Yeah, you and you've been pounded on this thing for three decades. Wow. Thank you for your persistence. You know, it's, it's just mind boggling that we still have municipalities adding this poison to our water systems.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And, you know, on top of that, 95% of the world doesn't fluoride. Only 5% does. And we do it more than all the other. I think it's like 11 countries. And that's to change. But I mean, it's just like it's unnecessary even at these low amounts of like they say 0.7 isn't that high. Well, we saw effects on children's brains at levels of that low.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it is.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. It's it's one of those things where like with lead poisoning when I was in training 35, 45 years ago, you could have lead levels of 50 and it was okay. Were around that then it was 35, then it was 15. And then it's down to five. And we've come to realize there is no safe level of lead or mercury or fluoride or arsenic.
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Dr. Paul
Some things are just poisonous.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That's exactly right. And and this holds true for fluoride. In fact, in 2006, when the National Research Council was tasked with getting scientists together to look at whether issues were of, fluoride in the water, the algae, which is the maximum contaminant level goal, that's the that's the goal that our experts say are safe for human consumption. Right now, it's four parts per million.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
The NRC said. After all, their investigation happens, it should be zero. So we shouldn't have any of it added to our water.
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Dr. Paul
So four parts per million. How does that relate to the stuff being put in water? How many parts per million is that equal.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it's that was 2.7 parts per million is what they're adding for water fluoridation okay. But right now the EPA allows as high as four parts per million.
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Dr. Paul
So oh my goodness.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah.
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Dr. Paul
And we already know that point seven is dangerous. It's crazy.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah that makes no sense.
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Dr. Paul
It makes no sense. All right. I want you to have the last word. You are my go to guy for fluoride. And I am now convinced I need to wake up to this thing, and I, I've I've I've given up fluoride toothpaste a long time ago. Sure. And I try to avoid the water. Almost exclusive. And filter my water.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. But, yeah, for anybody out there that's watching this, just sort of now waking up like I have woken up. What just lists the most important things? These are the must do things. These are the things do if you can.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. Because this needs to be affordable for everybody. So, you know, just turning off the fluoride tap is everything. That's what I've been fighting for all these years is. Yeah, you know it. I can afford to buy spring water. I can afford to avoid it, but most people can't. And so by turning it off, that's the biggest thing.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So now we've got, like I said, this is your biggest ally. Now is this court ruling. So learn about it and take it to your city councils. Take it to your schools and your communities and let them know that you're just not going to stand for anymore. Because now it has been proven and now been adjudicated and, and, and and agreed and ruled on by a federal judge that this stuff needs to stop.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So that's your biggest thing beyond that, you know, like I said, just do your best to avoid it. You know, I mean, obviously if you can afford spring water or drink spring water, if you want to filter it and do that, do that. But try to avoid drinking tap water and find out if you're if your actual community is for them.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
As you know, as we mentioned earlier, about 75% are, but there are some that are not. And be very grateful if you live in one of those communities. And as I mentioned, more and more are now going to be jumping on the bandwagon and stopping it. So we've got a nice snowball rolling. And I want to keep this thing rolling.
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. I wonder if we had a few attorneys in every town or state, Sue the water bureaus that are fluoridated water for the damage to their children. Yeah. Those losses are they're not protected. Are they? From lawsuit?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Well, here's the thing. There are people who have brought suits before, and it always ended, in favor of the, the communities who are water forgetting. So that's why this, this, this, this ruling.
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Dr. Paul
This is precedent. This is.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Huge. Because now we've got a precedent. Exactly. Okay. You know, Michael Connett, who was the lead attorney on this, is brilliant. And and he'd be a good resource if somebody want to reach out to him. But, I think you're right. Now there needs to be a fear of getting sued because now you have no you have no argument.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
We now know that this is toxic and. Yeah. Yeah.
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Dr. Paul
Well, that should be powerful enough. Thank you. So, once more, where people can go to get the best information as they arm themselves to go present to their senators and water bureaus and school boards, etc..
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah, I think fluoride alert dawg is good. Also, the academy that I'm a longtime member of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology I a omt.org. Those are two good resources for anything and everything fluoride that you could find.
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Dr. Paul
That's awesome. Now, are you still practicing?
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I'm not. Pi. I saw my practice a few years ago, and I thought I'd be retired and enjoying life. And as it turns out, I'm lecturing and teaching ozone and mentoring. And, I'm busier than I ever was.
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Dr. Paul
Okay, well, I I know that feeling. I'm semi-retired, and but I'm still here. I am on this show with you and, speaking this weekend in Chattanooga, Tennessee, I but but it's it's fun to be out there making a difference. Thank you for everything you're doing to really help the health of our world. So I appreciate you very much for.
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
All you do, Paul, I appreciate.
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Dr. Paul
It. Take care. Well, folks, you can also catch me at Doctors and science.com, my show with the wind and for those who want to get in touch with me personally, either for coaching, or otherwise, go to kids first forever.com. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next week.
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Dr. Paul
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