In his From the Heart segment, Dr. Paul shares how grateful he is for all his supporters and the words of encouragement he continues to receive from people. This support has given him the steadfast love, courage and hope he has needed to stay the course in these difficult times. He reassures us that he is never giving up – we are all in this together and are being called to do something magnificent!
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Next, Dr. Paul addresses the “tripledemic” (flu, RSV & Covid) we are currently experiencing. What do we need to look for and when should we see a doctor? And if they do a (RSV) vaccine, does my child need to get it? Dr. Paul answers all these questions and more, explaining the science behind why the shot is not a good idea. When you are prepared, you don’t need to be fearful!
 
In closing, Bernadette Pajer of Informed Choice WA talks to us about the mindset of people in public health. A hint: It’s about determining what can be controlled, what can be put into policy and what can be funded. Tune in to learn more!

​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Paul Welcome to against the wind doctors and science under fire. Today's show I interview attorney Ryan Heath, He is father to two kids. He is a civil rights activist and the founder of a nonprofit, the gavel project, fascinating work he's doing, you're going to want to learn everything you can about this. This is about fighting, unethical government and employer mandates. It's about protecting the freedoms of all Americans, and especially children. He even goes into teaching children about civil disobedience, for example, how to not wear a mask when you're being required by schools to wear a mask. He's basically standing for our human rights and deciding what enters into your body. That should be your decision, not the government, not the school, not the public health officials, not your doctor, your decision. We wrap this up with Bernadette who gives you some ideas for holiday gifts. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart, I wanted to touch on something that I've struggled with and that's consciousness, to really be able to see truthfully and fully. I actually needed the confidence that there was a love greater than myself. That's really key for me, to really be able to look inside. Actually, the more opportunities I've had to struggle, when I look at those struggles with humility and honesty, it's only then that I feel like I've had a chance to gain in wisdom, gain and humility and compassion. Darkness cannot overcome light. And so if each of us will be that light, and lead with love is going to be amazing, folks. I'm Dr. Paul.

welcome Ryan Heath, you are the father of two young children, a civil rights activist and the founder of the gavel project. And we're gonna deep dive into that.

Ryan Heath  2:09  
I don't know a lot about what you're doing other than the fact that you're fighting for unethical government invasion into our lives, fighting employer mandates and trying to protect the freedoms of Americans, especially children. As a pediatrician, that means a lot to me. Tell our audience a little bit about yourself. I know you're an attorney in Arizona, I believe, and you have young children, but give us the overview. Yeah, so we actually connected through doctors, Tim and Mae Hindmarsh, who are good friends of mine and my wife, I'm I just turned 30. I'm an attorney from Arizona got a couple of kids, as you mentioned. But last year, when Gavin Newsom decided he was going to be requiring the COVID-19 vaccine as a contingent precedent for kids to get an education, California, I told my wife who was seven months pregnant time that I was quitting my job. And I was starting a nonprofit to go after quote, unquote, the bad guys, as I told my daughter as well, that's kind of how I define things. And basically, we're, we're an anti woke organization, we're here to restore normalcy in American society. I was a law student during January of 2020. And I had the blessed opportunity to actually go and sit in a class that was being taught by Justice Alito of the United States Supreme Court on constitutional interpretation, I was one of 16 students selected from my school to go be a part of that. And during that process, obviously COVID-19 was was kicking off over on the other side of the world. And it was just a unique set of circumstances that led me to this position. I have a troubled past when I was 17. I got in all sorts of trouble and was always a hard headed kid, one of those ADHD kids that never really paid attention or fit in and ended up getting sent away. Because I was so defiant. My parents and I lived in the woods for two months, went to therapeutic boarding school and I happen to be around a lot of people that today would be preyed upon, in many ways, by by physicians, unfortunately, and by practitioners of medicine who are trying to change these children from let's say, boys and girls and girls into boys. Those are the types of issues that our nonprofit takes on and basically, I'm an attorney, I'm a creative person, and I help come up with arguments and set up lawsuits even. Meaning I help teach kids to disobey unconstitutional mandates, and then fund lawsuits and fundraise for the those kids to have pro bono legal representation. So we actually pay attorneys to represent people. Wow. And that's sort of what you're doing with the gavel project. Exactly. Yeah. So we're an anti woke five oh,

One C three public charity that is here to reestablish normalcy in America through strategic litigation. And much of what we did. Most of my time over the past year. It's been about a year since I started this it was October of 2021 is been spent going around and teaching kids how to disobey their schools mask mandates out in California actually, basically emptied my life savings and sold the vehicle and did all that fun stuff to be able to afford airfare and hotels to go around and meet with parents and kids. And we actually had a successful protests up in the Thomas the kids got to go back to school without masks on before Governor Newsom lifted his mandatory guidelines, as he called them. And we have a bunch of lawsuits that were based on that that, you know, weren't as successful. We had a kid up and Capistrano Unified School District, young, young, 16 year old boy that actually went so far as to protest three days in a row, he was suspended. He was quote, unquote, suspended by the district, he went back to class was actually sneaking into school, I was sitting outside the High School on the hill above the school and teaching him like, hey, sneak into school, go do this, go do that. Because we believe so strongly that these these mandates are unconstitutional. And in fact, he invited the police to arrest him each day that he was there when they showed up because he had been suspended. And he was refusing to leave campus. So he was trespassing. And they did nothing. ended up giving him a civil trespassing ticket on the third day at the behest and that the request of the school which is not a criminal issue, so we're fighting all of that now. We're, we've raised 10s and 10s of 1000s of dollars and spent 10s and 10s of 1000s of dollars on attorneys fees. And we've been on Fox News we've been on Newsmax we're all over the place, but we're still sort of lesser known and getting our name out there now.

Dr. Paul  6:53  
Yeah. Sending that kid into school and protesting and rebelling in that way, reminds me a little bit of my childhood. I grew up in Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe. And when I was the head boy of our elementary school, it was my role to raise the Rhodesian flag, which I my parents and I, we were freedom fighters. So we were against this illegal government, I refused to raise the flag, they, the school sort of put me in lockdown in a separate room and got some other kids to raise the flag. So that's just a little, we have a lot of similarities. In our past, I got kicked out of high school. I'm not undiagnosed, but for sure, ADHD, I got a lot of energy. We need to put this energy to use. I'm curious, give, give our viewers more detail on, you know, what does that look like? When I mean, you, you, you went to California, this wasn't your hometown? How do you organize a protest like that? I mean, this this is civil rights sort of stuff. And, and the current government is certainly infringing on our civil rights. Yeah, it

Ryan Heath  8:07  
certainly is. And so I guess what you're asking is how the strategy worked into application when it came to the civil rights protests. So as someone who went to Regent University School of Law, I was blessed to have a very focused education on constitutional law, it's one of the only law schools in the country that has an entire year dedicated to constitutional law, not just one semester, you focus for an entire year on that subject. And we also have a number of, of elective courses that focus on that as well. And that's because the person who runs that school is named Pat Robertson, if you're familiar with Pat, he runs the Christian Broadcasting Network. And defending civil liberties. Defending Freedom of religion in particular is his bread and butter. That's what he cares about most. And so that's why I have this this background in constitutional law. And I realized from my training and from my studies in law school, I was actually a newer attorney. Obviously, I graduated in 2020. I took the COVID bar with a with a mask on unfortunately, I didn't really have any other options. But because of my background in this, I realized that refusing to wear a mask is actually protected as free speech under the United States Constitution. And that's the case for a number of reasons. First, the Supreme Court going back to all these cases from from Johnson v. Texas, dispense v. Washington, and there are a number of others as well, including West Virginia V. Barnett, et cetera. But these cases basically stayed and it's very clear, you as a citizen have the right to engage in what's called expressive conduct. And it's not just that the First Amendment free speech clause protects your words they actually protect your actions as well under certain circumstances. And the Supreme Court said back in the use cases, this line of cases, basically, so long as anyone looking at a citizen who is taking an action would understand that action to be inherently communicative, then the action is actually protected as free speech. That's why you can go to a park and burn an American flag and there can't be an ordinance preventing you from doing so as compared to, let's say, burning just a standard white flag in the park, you actually could be criminally prosecuted for doing that. And the reason is, because if you see someone burning an American flag, you have certain connotations tied to that action, people looking at you taking the action of burning a flag, we're going to understand that you're engaged in an act of protest, you don't agree with the values that are, let's say, inherent in the flag, whereas if you were burning a white flag, no one would understand that to have any inherent meaning. And so that we see this today in the phrase COVID theater, people are very familiar with this, if you say, Oh, this is COVID theater, usually the idea comes to your head is you have someone in airport wearing to, you know, surgical masks going through, let's say TSA security, and you know that there's nothing effective or useless. It's just, there's no point of that, it doesn't make any sense. And so in the inverse, the same is true by removing your mask when you're told you're required to do so you are sending a very clear message, you're sending a message of protest, you are sending a message of let's go brand. And for example, I'm not going to agree with what it is that you are trying to compel me to accept. And that actually is protected as well. And there are a number of cases saying that you can't have your conscience violated by the government, your decisions, when it comes to your bodily autonomy are very profound decisions, let's say like political decisions can't be compelled, the government can give you all the characters in the world to point you in the right direction, but they can't use a stick. And so my idea basically was to teach these kids to do what Rosa Parks did sit in, class take off their masks refuse to leave, and call their bluff. And we did that a number of times from Coronado Island all the way up to Sacramento. And now we're funding lawsuits all over that state. And in addition to another number of other matters, as well, we're getting into child sex trafficking cases where the government has been engaged in basically eviscerating parental rights, because children don't want to have or let's say, be called a certain pronoun that's actually happening here in the United States. And we're jumping into that battle as well, because you shouldn't have your kids taken away from you for calling them by their legal sex, which is what's on their birth certificate. And the fact that some people seem to think that's child abuse means that those people are engaged in what I believe to be nefarious activities and then need to be punished.

Dr. Paul  12:55  
This is really exciting. Actually, I am dead set against masks for the way they're being used, you know, to, quote protect you from a virus, when we know the size of the virus particle is so much smaller than the air spaces between the fabric. It just is nonsensical. And it's very harmful I believe to children, I'm, I'm all about putting kids first I'm a pediatrician. I did protest I, I didn't know all the legal stuff you've just shared. So now I'm going to be much more bold about you know, this is going to come again, this this first wave of COVID masking and isolation and quarantine was was a way to see if we can get people to do that. Okay, so it sort of worked is my sense. They instilled a lot of fear. And we have to fight back. And I think you've just presented the legal grounds by which it's, as you put it, freedom of expression is an extension of freedom of speech. And so we can encourage our kids to go into classrooms without their mask, even if the school is requiring it. And we can turn to you to back us up legally. I imagined.

Ryan Heath  14:10  
Exactly. We're actually we filed a lawsuit on these grounds in San Diego Superior Court. We have a young girl there who is 16 years old who is barred from attending class for something like I believe it was six weeks and you can check the actual filing on our website. That's the gavel project.com You can see the lawsuit. It's up there if you want to take a look. But I mean, it was so cold outside every day. They basically their policy was because she didn't want to wear a mask just to kick her out and put her out in the cold. It should wear a battery operated jacket to school each day to stay warm. They just stuck her outside. They put her on Zoom and said this is good enough. They their policy was to exclude her which is illegal. And yes the gavel project is that organization that actually went out took a stand. I don't believe there are any other organ as Asians in the nation, someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that, that actually went out and led free speech protests for the purpose of setting up strategic litigation. And we have the capacity right now based on that lawsuit alone, to set a precedent nationally based on the First Amendment. So that masking never happens again, and we've got four or five those cases.

Dr. Paul  15:20  
Well, folks, just based on that alone, we need to support your work. I mean, this is secure, you set a precedent, and that starts changing everything. And so you're already in the process of doing that. How can people support you?

Ryan Heath  15:39  
Yeah, so if you want to support the work we're doing, please go to our website, the gavel projects.com. We are a public charity 501 C three, we are tax exempt and you can get make tax deductible donations right there on our website. If you want to to fund anything in particular, though, I would encourage you to reach out to me at inquiries at the gavel project.com. We have all sorts of issues from the trans transition of children to to medical freedom for masking to employees being terminated wrongfully for for vaccination status, things like that, and as well as the prep act. So if there's anything that is on someone's heart in particular that they want to see change in society, please feel free to reach out to me we do have a process for application on our website, as well. So if there's anyone out there that feels they have a strong case that they want considered for representation, I would encourage you to go to the gavel project.com/contact. But we definitely need support. My wife and I have been the primary funders of this movement since the inception in last October.

Dr. Paul  16:46  
Wow. Well, thank you for starting the gavel project. If you haven't the time, I want to pick your brain a little bit. I don't get to talk to brilliant 30 year olds very much what's going on in the world? What's your take on this?

Ryan Heath  17:00  
Well, it's it's money. Follow the money. So one of the things that I discovered that I wrote about early on this was in December of last year was that there is a an apparent issue with the way that our university endowment funds are set up in this nation. And so if you rewind a little bit back to like 2007 2008, there was this shift in the way that our loan structure for college education was happening, they went from providing loans to those in need, and based on merit to everyone gets a college loan now. And they're non dischargeable in bankruptcy. All right around that same time, these these universities all adopted this Yale Model. And what that means is that they created nonprofit affiliate organizations, even the public schools did this, that were to manage their university endowment funds. And for people who don't know what an endowment fund is, I'll give you a brief definition, basically, think of a giant pile of money that is put together for the purpose of investing it and then using the revenues from that investment to fund certain activities. And so, around that time, all of these these universities set up these endowment funds, and I'll use the University of Virginia as an example. They set up what's called the University of Virginia investment management company, or UVM. CO for short. And this is a standard practice, basically, across all colleges now. And so what we had and I found this out accidentally, I want to sue UVA for dis unrolling the 253 students or so, a week before school started last year for their vaccination status. And I was doing research on on the university and I found out basically they have this organization that is run by BlackRock, Deutsche Bank, Bain Capital, and all bad guys on Wall Street are sitting on the board of this university endowment fund, along with high level University executives, which is the issue because if you think about the way that our medical structure in the United States is set up, those are the bosses of all of the medical professionals in the country. And if you have bosses of all the medical professionals in the country sitting on the board with a bunch of Wall Street bankers, what do you think was going to happen when COVID came? They have a fiduciary duty to grow the principal of the Endowment Fund, and you control all of the people who can make your investments if you were to shift things pay off without question, and that appears to be what happened. If you look at the return on investments for these, these nonprofit affiliate institutions for all eight Ivy League schools, they all between 2019 2020 fiscal year had average returns three and a half percent or less around that number. Funny thing is the next year Are they all have multibillion dollar returns, every single one of the eight Ivy League institutions, you can check this it's legit. You Venco went from a $9.9 billion endowment fund to I believe it was $14.5 billion in one year. And they you can see because the the principal the the actual way they invest their money, even though they're a public institution that is controlling this nonprofit affiliate organization, it's technically public money, they claim that the way they're investing is proprietary information, you can't get your can't get access to the exact way that these funds are invested. But that's the problem right there is you have a conflict of interest, you have university executives that control all of the public health experts and actually employ them sitting on the board with Wall Street bankers all across the nation. I mean, this is not just the Ivy League schools, it's happened everywhere. And it's the biggest story no one's ever talking about and they, what the pure appears to me took active steps to stoke fear porn and utilize that that control of the medical sector to make sure their investments paid off.

Dr. Paul  21:17  
Take me into a boardroom. So I'm a little dense i It all makes sense vaguely to me. But think of me as a, I don't know, 10 year old and explain what what's happening in the boardroom that makes this all flow like that?

Ryan Heath  21:33  
Well, the boardroom, if you think about this, they're controlling, almost like a hedge fund, the private hedge fund for the university, and they have all these investments, and they're picking and choosing how the investments are going to be held. The way that those investments are going out into the world is proprietary information. So we as taxpayers don't have access to how they're actually putting this money into the into capital investments. And they their job, I mean, that's all they do is to grow the principle. And so if you have a fiduciary duty, meaning that you have a heightened legal duty above what you would have as a normal person, because you're talking about a nonprofit organization, and that's your job, as a board member of a nonprofit is to act as a fiduciary for the nonprofit, you of course, are going to do whatever you can to grow the value of the principal, the money yours. That's That's your job. That's what your duty is. And go ahead.

Dr. Paul  22:30  
So are you suggesting then they would channel funds into, let's say, Pfizer and moderna and then also roll out? You know, vaccine mandates so that, you know, we're propping up the the profit profitability of those pharmaceutical cuts. Exactly.

Ryan Heath  22:47  
Correct. Yes, that's exactly what I'm sort of suggesting happened. And I believe it's the biggest story in in America that no one's talking about right now.

Dr. Paul  22:55  
Yeah, I thought that's what you were saying. And you just hadn't quite put it in those words. Yeah, I have nieces and nephews who are in college. And the pressure to to get the vaccine is I mean, they all succumbed. It was it was like they wouldn't be able to enroll in school, and they've put their whole dreams into, you know, this is where I want to go kind of thing. It's tragic.

Ryan Heath  23:20  
Yeah. And in, people don't realize as well, you can refuse to comply with a vaccine mandate on the grounds of free speech also. And the reason for that is the same reason that the government can't compel you to stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance. You as a student have the right this was actually a Supreme Court case decided in 1943, called West Virginia V. Barnett. And if you think about the context, there were, you know, right around World War Two, national nationalism is a huge issue in America, we want to make sure as a nation that we're promoting nationalism, patriotism, all of these ideals. And in that case, the Supreme Court analyzed the situation for these kids that were Jehovah's Witnesses that didn't want to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. And they sat in an act of protest and were punished because of it. There was actually an ordinance requiring participation put in place by the school board. And the Supreme Court analyzed the situation they said, look, the United States flag has certain inherent meanings and connotations tied to it, ideals of patriotism, love for country, not all of these ideals that come to mind immediately. And by requiring a student to stand up and participate in the Pledge of Allegiance, you would, in effect, put that student in a position where their actions to any reasonable observer, this is a free speech issue again, would would show that they are accepting by participating the ideals underlying are inherent in the flag. And the same can be true for a vaccination ceremony. I have the right as a citizen if I'm, let's say attending a state institution, not a private institution because we're talking about constitutional issues here and only He applies to state institutions. As a citizen, I have the right to refuse to participate in that useless ceremony, which we know I mean, there's in the last few weeks alone, the entire narrative for the reason behind vaccinating the public and vaccine mandates has fallen completely apart. And in this case, now, it becomes even stronger, because if there is no efficacy, if there is no reason to require this, they're basically requiring you to participate in a religious ceremony. It's a dogmatic ceremony the same as the Pledge of Allegiance. And therefore you actually have the right to refuse to comply with a vaccine mandate. I outlined this argument, it's on my website as well. I attempted to intervene in the bent key ventures. That's the daily wire case, when they sued OSHA last year as an amicus curiae, I in the Sixth Circuit. And my my brief as, as amicus curiae, was actually denied by the Sixth Circuit without explanation. And as someone who had just quit his job and was relatively new and into this world didn't really have any, any help or guidance, I let it go. And I kind of regret that now. I wish I had pushed back and actually asserted myself and made the argument on behalf of that institution. Because I believe wholeheartedly now, that is a winning argument. And that's where we have to rest our hat as citizens of a free country, because if we don't, freedom is lost, Liberty is dead, if you don't have the right to make a conscientious objection to a vaccine mandate, as a citizen, meaning that they are permanently changing your body. What is free, you don't have bodily autonomy, you have nothing. Absolutely agree.

Dr. Paul  26:47  
This is this is a line in the sand that, you know, we have to draw this line, you have to maintain bodily integrity. The government can't just at will inject whatever they want. And you have no choice. But that's where we're headed, isn't it?

Ryan Heath  27:01  
Yeah, I mean, we're already somewhat there. It's a death by 1000 cuts with the way that the Reagan administration adopted the first vaccine liability shields for the pharmaceutical industrial complex back in the 80s. Until now, it's just they've been rolling, step by step. You know, little step here a little step there to take away your rights, the point where they could argue in today's day and age, well, we've mandated vaccines for X, Y, and Z. So why can't we mandate this vaccine? Well, the difference is you changed the definition of the word vaccine back in November of 2021. Because this isn't a vaccine, it doesn't provide immunity never did. We knew that now. And Pfizer admitted it the other day. They never tested this on on stopping transmission. It was all I

Dr. Paul  27:50  
Yeah, so we have that are the COVID. But let's go to the childhood vaccination schedule that 1986 the childhood immunization act that you referred to. You're an attorney, why can't we get that thrown out?

Ryan Heath  28:05  
Well, I think the biggest issue right now is the prep act. And that's what I would say how we have the strongest argument from a constitutional perspective to challenge as far as the the lowest hanging fruit. I think that is it. And I'm not going to go into into the details of that yet. I have been drafting an argument for the prep act for quite a while. And I don't wish to share that with the world. But there is a constitutional basis. And you have to think about it this way. And I'll just kind of make an analogous argument. You have a right to control your property. And your body in many ways it is property. In fact, we recognize children as property. And in many respects, when you're talking about legal disputes, custody disputes between parents, you're talking about property rights to control the health safety upbringing of your child, those are interests that you have a right to, they're called choosers of action. In some some respects. Basically, if someone breaches your interest as the opposing parent, you can bring a cause of action against that person for let's say, damages, or for injunctive relief. And so there is inherently a property interest in some way in your body. And that's where we're going to catch her argument. And I believe that there are a lot of ways to take on the prep act. And I would love for other attorneys as well to reach out to me if they are interested in filing this lawsuit. I don't need the glory. I don't need to be first chair. That's not my role. Anyway, I've tried two cases in my entire life because I'm just a second year attorney. And I know my limitations. What I'm really good at is coming up with unique new arguments to help take on these issues. And I'd be happy to work in the background with any group on these types of cases.

Dr. Paul  29:51  
That sounds really important for our viewers just remind them what in the prep act is so problematic for us.

Ryan Heath  29:58  
Yeah, so the Um, the prep Act was passed following the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centers. And it was a continuation of the Patriot Act, a lot of people don't seem to understand the way that this works. The prep Act basically states that the the Secretary of Health and Human Services has the capacity to declare based on whatever he wants, essentially, or she wants, that there is an emergency situation. And based on that emergency situation, if that is the case, they can grant liability protections to manufacturers of certain emergency use authorized products, to quell the emergency, so long as the products might have a tendency to reduce the threat. Basically, that's sort of this is a paraphrasing, but that's the standard. And this this act provides complete liability protection to basically anyone within the chain of distribution from the manufacturer to the pharmacy down the street that actually gives out the shot, such that if you are injured by an emergency use authorized vaccine, like the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, you cannot recover in monetary damages against any of those entities. And so this is a this is a federal statute. And the only way to overcome a federal statute is to go to a superior law, which is the United States Constitution. And that's why it's important to support organizations like mine, the gavel project, which is a constitutional law firm. Well, I guess we're not a law firm. We're a public charity that hires attorneys for the benefit of our applicants. And so yeah, I mean, that's, that's where you have to go. It's all constitutional. You can't fight this any other way.

Dr. Paul  31:56  
Yeah. Thank you for that clarification, folks. If if they declared an emergency, which they can do it at whim, you know, for no reason, or pre planned reason, then the pharmaceutical companies have zero liability, which is true for the childhood vaccines. And it's true for the COVID jabs. If you get injured, you are really on your own. And this is why people who are watching who've had an injury. You all know you get shunned you all of a sudden, nobody wants to talk to you. It's like, You're the problem. But wait a minute, you took one for the team. It's a crazy system. If I'm a pharmaceutical company, and I can get a vaccine, whatever definition you want to use, but get it called to be a vaccine and get it on the childhood immunization schedule, you got guaranteed profit with zero liability. I mean, what a goldmine, right. So this is the big rush, and why I think the vaccine schedule has gotten so compressed. Brian, what do you what do you think about the regular childhood schedule prior to the COVID?

Ryan Heath  33:01  
Well, it's an interesting question coming from you, my wife has read your book, and we actually read it before our first daughter going through and actually followed your method of spacing out the vaccinations for her, you know, I'm not educated enough on this topic to really comment on it. I've been vaccinated, my oldest daughter has been, I know that what we were sold when it came to the mRNA technology is a huge leap from these attenuated non attenuated type vaccines of trying to stimulate immunity and actually provide immunity for the subject disease or for the the target disease, which is not the case here, you're simply trying to provide or stimulating response that might provide immunity in these these new technologies. So I would say that I don't really have a whole lot to comment on the specifics of the prior vaccines, but um, you know, I think people should have the capacity to make whatever decisions they want with their bodies. I'm 100%. Pro choice when it comes to bodily autonomy. And I believe that the government has no interest despite the a large a large body of case law to the contrary, that I believe is unconstitutional and invalid. saying the opposite. You know, the one of the cases that I take issue with is Washington, the glucksberg, which is basically the case saying that the state has an interest in keeping individuals alive despite their own decisions. I'm an absolutist when it comes to this determination. So if your bodily autonomy and if someone is in an old someone is is very old and in a terrible position, and they're in pain every day, that person should be able to make the choice to take their life with the right precautions in place to make sure that that physicians aren't going around practicing eugenics on hopeless people. In this case decided by the supreme court basically said, no, no, you as a citizen don't have absolute bodily autonomy. In fact, the state's interest in your potential, even productivity or potential benefit to the state outweighs your capacity as a citizen to make ultimate decisions like that. I think it's gross, I think it's a FAR Deviation from from what is true liberty. And I think we need to take a step back and really think about, even if the the ideas are a bit ugly, sometimes the concept of what is true about about freedom and what sort of society we want to live in, because some of these decisions, like glucksberg have a slippery slope. And we can see that coming out today, we actually see glucksberg being referenced in to as far as the degradation of parental rights now, it is one of the primary cases that is cited in California, in a case called Palmdale, up something I forget the name of the individual is the early 2000s case, that basically said that parents have zero interests in the upbringing of their children. And this is a Ninth Circuit decision. So it's it's crazy, and glucksberg, I believe, was the start of all of that.

Dr. Paul  36:18  
So well, you touched on something that I wanted to ask you about. And that's the parental rights. And I was trying to get there with my question about the childhood vaccine schedule, I didn't know that you had read my book, I wasn't trying to plant

Ryan Heath  36:31  
that side. And personally, my wife has, and and so I can't claim

Dr. Paul  36:35  
what I was getting at was, you know, if parents don't have a right to decide what's done to their children with regards to their health care, and in this specific example, vaccines, then they've lost the right to bodily integrity, which you're fighting for so hard. And I think it's so important. If parental rights are slipping, which I feel like they are, we have these situations that come up where the child protective services will rush in and take a kid from the parent, because they're not doing what the state wants them to do what the state deems as the right medical decision. And that's even happened in some states and in parents who choose not to vaccinate, and they get their kids taken away. Where do we go with that legally?

Ryan Heath  37:25  
Yeah, the solution in many respects is legislative, there is a legislative solution to that. To pass laws at the local and state level, allowing you to bring claims for causes of action against individual state actors that take away your your your property interests and your children. As well as the fact that we as a society just need to stand up and say no more. There are plenty of ways to take on those issues. In fact, our organization is stepping into that role right now with a case where a young girl was taken away from from her legal guardian, because the legal guardian did not use the proper pronouns. And there were school counselors that came out and testified, claiming that this was child abuse. And then the defense attorney as well, basically stating this, this is child abuse, you can't give this this child this young girl who happens to have assisted by the way, which which is the vast majority of children with early onset gender dysphoria, end up going back to their original sex, because that's just the way that this plays out over time. And we have evidence to back that it's between 60 and 90%, based on every single study that's ever been done on the issue. So, you know, in the same way, I would say that there is a dark interest in the medical field a financial stake in all of these issues from vaccine vaccinations being required to allowing individuals to brainwash children into believing they are the opposite sex and based on that termination, making decisions and giving children the capacity to make decisions at a age before they have the full understanding of the situation so that they have permanent damage to their bodies. I tweeted the other day, and I would encourage folks to follow me on Twitter. I'm at Ryan underscore, l underscore Heath, and at the gavel project as well. But you know, a patient cured as a customer lost a child broken as a customer gained. And there was a report from the AMA president the other day that went up on their website, talking about the dangers of disinformation and the need for individuals to step in the from the government to crack down on disinformation, particularly when it comes to people like yourself speaking out against these issues, and that the president of the AMA went so far as to say basically make the comparison between the dangers of misinformation with respect to COVID-19. And the vaccination has didn't see. And now the same is true with children who need gender affirming care. And I see a correlation right there actually believe that proves a point that I've been saying for a long time, which is these interests, the LGBTQ plus gender affirmation crowd, the Trans activist crowd and the COVID-19 vaccination. Let's call them the COVID regime crowd, all have the same objective in mind. And that's why when I go around speaking at school board meetings all over the country, and different board of supervisors meetings for local county levels, I see the same people advocating for both policies, and its special interest dark money under the surface funding individuals to go around and make these arguments and try to create a facade of support for something that is not widely supported by the general public. And it's it's effective. i There's I started a podcast recently, it's on rumble. I would encourage folks check it out as well. We are at the gavel project, all one word. And I expose the connections between the World Economic Forum and BlackRock to local school districts in Orange County. This is real. This is not a joke. These people are connected and they are pulling strings to try and harm folks for their own financial benefit. And they're using straw organizations like nonprofits to do it.

Dr. Paul  41:29  
Ryan explain that connection a little more clearly. So I get it. You're talking about a local school board and something as big as BlackRock and how, how is how are they pulling those strings?

Ryan Heath  41:43  
Yeah. So there's an individual in Placentia Yorba Linda Unified School District, her name is Carrie Buck, and she is the president of the school board there. And back in January of this year, she unilaterally adopted a a mesh mask policy for the district. And she was appointed to the president position by the way over the winter break. So during the Christmas break, she becomes president the first thing she does when she opens the the very first school board meeting she governs is she reads this statement, excuse me into the record, stating basically that mesh masks are no longer permitted within the district. And as a result of that, she says it. We have to enforce this policy here today in the school board meeting. And within two minutes of opening the meeting, She Bangs her gavel and unilaterally Jordans. Next meeting, this is January 11, January 19. Same exact thing happens. She unilaterally cancels the school board meeting claiming basically that per the order of a local health person named Dr. Chow and he's with the Orange County Department of Health Services, I believe. He's required to put this new mesh mask policy in place. The problem is that Dr. Chow has since refuted that he ever stated anything to that effect. So basically what happened is this woman unilaterally put this policy in place in between the start of the school year in January until February, mid February. There's absolute anarchy happening in her district. I'm talking about kids being kicked out of school by the hundreds each day. School like little work stoppages principals calling into the administration administrative office saying we can't function as a school because we have so much chaos and anarchy on campus. What was happening was that the teachers were kicking kids out based on their political affiliations. Allegedly, that's what it seemed like, they were any kid that didn't like even though for the past year, those kids were allowed to wear these mesh masks without issue all of a sudden they weren't allowed to do it. And so she basically unilaterally adopted this policy and perpetuated the state of chaos from early January, all the way through February.

Dr. Paul  43:56  
And and what's her motivation for doing that?

Ryan Heath  44:00  
That's a good question. So she she is an individual, she works for an organization called encore.org. She she's a relatively sketchy person, I would invite everyone to go do check out my podcast to get the very particulars on all of this because I break it down. I provide examples and everything. But on corp.org is an organization that purportedly exists to try and close the gap between people who are becoming older in years and younger folks, so trying to create this the social cohesion between those two age groups. And she's in the nonprofit industry. She has been for a long time she runs an organization called his house OC which was basically bought up or subsumed by the parent encore. Well, turns out the president of encore this is her employer is a guy named Mark Freeman. And Mark has been recognized by the World Economic Forum as the social entrepreneur of the year. He's been he's A repeated person who appears in The Wall Street Journal. And he happens to have a bunch of people on the board that are related directly to Blackrock to the Omidyar Network to all of these folks. So, in essence, even Ashoka, the Ashoka network, which is one of the, I believe, Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation, offshoots. So, because of that, I mean, you have literally people's tangled web, isn't it, sitting on the board from these really dark money, interest organizations, and even you know, that employee school board members who appear to be acting in a way to perpetuate chaos perpetuate all, as I mentioned in the college level, to to try and torture children into creating lifetime customers for certain interests. And then that happens to be the interest that these folks are invested in. And so it means,

Dr. Paul  45:52  
yeah, Ryan, you know, this healthy kids healthy individuals make farmer no money. And, you know, naively, I used to think that, you know, well, for the most part, farmers doing good for the world, they're bringing all these drugs that help us. And that was a very naive perspective, because when you dig real deep as you obviously have, while I'm not saying all pharma products, are we useless? I mean, if if you need insulin to survive, and you have type one diabetes, you need insulin. Yeah. But what created the type one diabetes to begin with? That's another whole slippery slope, which we won't go into on this discussion. But autoimmunity is often triggered by aluminum by vaccines, and other toxins as well. Let's wrap it up, I want to give you sort of the last word and bring it back to a viewer who's just a mom or a dad, grandparent whose wants to do the best for their kids. And everything, frankly, that you've shared is a little like, this is wow, it's a lot, right. Yeah. This is your world and you understand it, but but it's a lot. What can what can a mom or a dad or grandpa aunt or uncle that's really worried about their kids? What would you like them to do?

Ryan Heath  47:17  
I would like them to follow me on social media and go to my website as well. So we are at the gavel project pretty much everywhere on Facebook, on Instagram, on Twitter, and into go to my website, the gavel project.com. And there are two calls to action that I'll put forth here. One is to educate yourself, follow me so that I can help educate you on your constitutional rights teach you what it means, in certain circumstances to stand up and draw a line and say, You know what, I know my rights, and I'm not going to allow you to infringe upon those. And to go to our website, the gavel project.com, we need your support, that there are people out there that are busting their bottoms to be able to take on these issues. And I would ask that you please consider making a tax deductible donation on our website, and even recurring donations as well so that we can continue to operate and continue to go out and fight on behalf of these kids because they really need it,

Dr. Paul  48:15  
folks. Knowing our constitutional rights. I grew up in Africa, so I was never trained in the US Constitution. But when you feel like the world is a little out of control, we got to go back to basics. Ryan and the gavel project, what you're doing is incredible. Thank you. Keep fighting brother. And we'll get you back on the show.

Ryan Heath  48:37  
Thank you, Doc Thomas. I appreciate being here.

Dr. Paul  48:45  
Welcome Bernadette back against the wind. Doctors in science under fire. It's always great to have you on the show, you know, Thanksgivings just behind us. And you've got to have a really nice idea about how to celebrate the holidays here.

Bernadette Pajer  48:58  
I do, you know, um, what we really need everybody to do is share the love, share the information about health, and freedom and so much and so I've got some gift ideas for everybody out there. There are three publications in print, as well as the versions that you could consider giving to those on your list. The one in the middle is epic times or Epoch Times. It's pronounced differently depending on who you're talking to. And it's a great one too. For those people kind of middle the road. It's very it's written in traditional journalism style, so it's not inflammatory. They've got a great health section. I really love it. And it's great to get sometimes a real physical print newspaper in your hands. We're also sick of looking at the screen. My own Senator here in Tennessee, when you'd walk into his office, there would be a copy of the The Epoch Times on his desk so it's great have for those in the United States. And if you've got somebody who is ready to hear information that is a bit more hard hitting in a more opinion style, we've got the flame. And you can subscribe to that one. It's all sorts of information about freedom and what's going on in this nation. So check that one out. And then if you're up in Canada, there's one called druthers that you can get. And it's it's similar, it's great hard hitting, you know, pretty well, opinion yet fact, you know, those sorts of things. So I just encourage you to check it out yourself to see if who you're going to send it to, is ready to hear information as presented in these great publications. And then the other thing is give the gift of books and two of my very favorite publishers are sky horse. And Chelsea green. Sky horse actually now has there's a children's health defense imprint, so you can check out their imprint. What I've got here is just a screenshot of their homepage right now, some of the titles and you can see they're all over the place. But a couple that jumped out at me are of course, the real Anthony Fauci underestimated by JB and Jamison handily. You know, we've got ending plague, but you should be able to find in their books that may appeal to just somebody you know, and love that you want to share information, be able to talk about share these insights is for individuals who really want to learn more about healthy living, and sustainable living and all those great new regenerative farming and things. Chelsea Green has got great cookbooks, farming books, health books. And it's really great information to check out. And that could be really good for somebody who doesn't really want to get political with you, but is willing to learn more about how to live a healthy life. So those are great gifts. And I also recommend, maybe putting together one of those just in case kits, that's recommended by the F L CCC, the frontline COVID-19, Critical Care Alliance. I gave one of these last year to my in laws, and they used it, it was fantastic. And I was able, you know to call them up when when they were unwell and guide them on the latest protocols, and doses and amounts that is in a kit. So I encourage your viewers to go to the FLCC and look up the most current recommendation because if things change and they learn, they update, and you can put together a gift basket that's got you know, the best quality vitamin D and C and zinc and other things. Even if you want to take it up a notch, give them a nebulizer so they can do that hydrogen peroxide nebulize, that sort of thing. And then my final

Dr. Paul  53:04  
year, so you're so spot on with the gift basket from FLCC. I was just at their inaugural conference. What an what an amazing team of doctors that have, you know, brought together protocols and approaches for not just long COVID But vaccine injury. And just this morning, I had a conversation with my dad. And he says there's three elderly people in our community who have come down with COVID. And they seem to be sicker than we expected with yes, no, what we're being told about subsequent iterations of COVID seem to be more infectious but less dangerous. And we just don't know. So if you want to be prepared you want when your loved one calls, what are you going to do? Well get prepared. This is a great example.

Bernadette Pajer  53:46  
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I agree to it's a great thing. Make sure you've got one for yourself as well. And then finally, other gift ideas. So of course you can get merchandise from your favorite freedom organizations get people T shirts and hats and magnets for their car, you know, these make great gifts, something they might not want to be buying a lot for themselves. But how fun to open it up and get that great CHD t shirt or something. Give them access to some of the wonderful health and freedom video documentaries that are out there some of them after like a period of time of being free that you got to pay for access to them. And so you can provide those documentary access gift certificates to your local massage therapists acupuncturist herbalist, maybe a hyperbaric oxygen treatment clinic for them to experience that they've got some health issues natural food store, nutritional supplement store, I mean the list goes on. If you help provide them ways to try and test some of these modalities of healing. You might just find help lead them on the path of have some really good health and wellness to celebrate the holidays, and then bring them into the new A year. So those are my ideas for gifts.

Dr. Paul  55:05  
I like them, I think, you know, you and I are in this space of health freedom all the time. So we read a lot, but a lot of our family members and friends and those of you who are listening you, you may also find this to be the case. They're still tuned in to CNN or they're, they're reading the New York Times or, you know, where they get their information greatly affects what they're reading and hearing. And so I like this presentation of here, here are other resources that we should be sharing, and just share it as a launch point for discussion.

Bernadette Pajer  55:39  
Mm hmm. Exactly. Yeah. Tie it all up with a ribbon and give it from your heart with love and, and do do read your friends and loved ones carefully. You don't want to push too hard. It's the holidays. It's supposed to be a gift. So you want to choose carefully what that individual might really like and be open to as opposed to like, You got to read this kind of

Dr. Paul  56:03  
No, that's a very good point. One of those journals i I was sharing it at my office and it happened to have an add in. I mean, the articles were I thought were spot on. But there was an ad for guns now. Showing a semi automatic and this was right at the time. They were another round of shootings, you know, and yeah, and one of my nurses goes, we can't put this out. Because it depends on your audience. Right. So your audience, love them. And we both wish you all a very wonderful holiday season.

Bernadette Pajer  56:35  
We sure do.

Dr. Paul  56:37  
Thanks, Bernadette.

Bernadette Pajer  56:38  
Thank you Dr. Pop.

Dr. Paul  56:45  
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In his From the Heart segment, Dr. Paul talks about what it means to have consciousness and discernment to perceive truth in fullness. By embracing our struggles with humility and honesty, we gain wisdom and compassion for others. This is how we become a light that overcomes the darkness in the world!

​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. I am Dr. Paul your hosts we're gonna go farming today. I'm speaking to Helio farm owners Theo and Kira and their daughter, Sonia. We talk about regenerative farming orthomolecular farming, raw milk, the importance of supporting small farmers health and food freedom, and decentralizing farming as a key to future food security. We wrap up the show with an interview with yours truly myself and Didi Hoover, discussing some future projects in something we're calling kids first forever. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. I have a question for you today. What are you being called to do? Francis of Assisi said, start by doing what's necessary, then do what's possible. And suddenly you're going to be doing the impossible. Do you have an inner voice, calling you to do something maybe to speak up maybe to resist? I've certainly felt that calling quite a bit the last few years, I had a mom reach out to me just today by email. And she said, I am being told to be quiet at work. She works in a hospital setting and she's seeing things going on that are just not right things that need to be changed. She's advocating for the patients and she's being told she must be quiet. And I know a lot of us have experienced this sort of pressure and censorship from our employers from the society at large human. And I just wanted to say you can be that light, you can be love. You can speak the truth. Do it with courage. Do it with love. You know, it just takes a spark to light a fire. And sometimes maybe we have to be that spark. So I call on all of us. Let's do that. Let's do what we're being called to do. Take a stand. Let's do it for our kids. Let's do it for our families. Let's do it for our nation and for our world. I'm Dr. Paul, thanks

Welcome to against the wind. I have the pleasure of introducing a family that's doing some incredible work in the farming arena. Sonia, finish you are you are the daughter of the couple that sitting with us. Correct. And you are a founder of Oregon LIBERTY NETWORK. We'll have you later. Tell us a little bit about that. And then Theo and Kira Weidman you founded Helios farms in 2012 with a vision of decentralizing the US food supply back to local farms that use no agricultural chemicals or pharmaceuticals, right? Fantastic. I know you've pioneered orthomolecular regenerative farming methods private Association farm business model to drive your vision into reality. So I'm going to be looking forward to hearing more about that. Theo, your background is pretty spectacular. You've got a degree with honors in Engineering Physics from Oregon State University, you founded a publishing company, you founded a technical writing and software localization firm, you produced a documentary film titled grid iron Gladiators, and with Kara you've built a high end recording studio business. Kara, you've boarded and train horses that was in the 80s then you were a commercial artist in the 90s. And you've always raised and butchered your own food animals studying European butchery under the tutelage of a German butcher. So there's so much for us to learn from all of you, the Helios mission, that sort of a convergence I understand the field and curious life experience and applying your farming butchery technical, scientific business, legal culinary, health sciences background, that's a mouthful to create a profitable and resilient livestock farming model. under the pen name, Theo farmer, Theo, you've written about food, health, farming and all of that. So again, welcome to the show.

Unknown Speaker  4:07  
Thank you. Pleasure to be here.

Unknown Speaker  4:09  
Very much. Pleasure to be here.

Dr. Paul  4:10  
Perfect. I'm really interested in maybe just to start with just share your backgrounds, the parts that I missed in my introduction, so that people get a better sense of who you are, and then I'll ask you a few questions.

Unknown Speaker  4:25  
Okay, I'll start I was raised on a small farm in Silverton, Oregon and and I work with farmers at that time and out in the fields driving equipment. My parents used to ask me what I was learning out there in the fields and I respond by saying, you I'm learning I don't want to be a farmer. And I think that that was a response to what I saw as far as the commercial farming there was. The farmers didn't seem to have much control over what they plan And then what they put on their fields, cetera, et cetera, and then move forward. You know, I got my degree and I went into technology. So I was a technologist in the 80s and 90s, with software localization. And then in the 80s, and 90s, also, my children had a lot of health issues. I had a son who had a brain tumor and a disabled child. And so that threw me into a look at our medical system. And I didn't, what I saw wasn't very pretty. And so by around the 2000s, I was learning about ortho molecular healing, high dose nutrients, I studied some of the things that Linus Pauling was pointing to. And so we basically we, we came at farming what Kira when had been lactose intolerant all of her life. So she, they call it lactose intolerance. And so if she had any kind of dairy product, it would create huge digestive issues. Right away. We weren't we found out that through some research, that she might be able to handle raw milk. And so we we went out to get raw milk and went to a farm that had it and we got some got a half gallon, and Kira was able to drink the whole half gallon over a couple of days with zero issues. So there were a lot of between the orthomolecular kind of exposure that I had, by the time I was in my 50s, I was realizing that the way we treated our children with all the vaccines and all the pharmaceuticals and all that stuff in the mainstream during the 80s. And 90s was a big, probably a big cause of the problems that they had. And so we started putting our minds to well, how can we do this with no pharmaceuticals? How can we do a farm with no agricultural chemicals we started, when we found out that Kira could drink raw milk, we tried to get on a list to get raw milk steadily. And in Oregon, that what turned out to be a big challenge. The farm that we got it from had a waiting list we got on their waiting list. And they would they never, we never got to the top of the waiting list. So because of my early farm background, we decided well, let's just get our own dairy cow then. And that was about 2008 or 2009. And so we got a cow. And when I had an acre, we had an acre in Corvallis, which is plenty for a cow. And so we started milking her. And then we realized that she was producing five gallons a day, which is way more than one family can drink. So we decided we would share it or sell it. And so we put a fridge on the porch. And then we found out that it was illegal at the time to advertise raw milk in Oregon. And so we we advertised for free we advertised collaborative milk, which is a people who get raw milk would know what what clattered milk is. And so we started right off the bat trying to work around the legal framework in Oregon. And then God told cows to be fruitful and multiply. So after a while, we had six cows on this acre of land in Corvallis. And that's that was actually we were out of compliance with the statutes of Oregon because if you're selling raw milk from your farm, you can only own three cows and only melt two cows. And so we did a little research and we came across the farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund back in Washington DC and they said Oh, you guys have to switch to a herd share contract. And so we we went ahead and started. We worked with them to produce a herd share contract and because we were also offering butchering animals by then we decided we're going to do livestock shares as well. And the idea of contract moving under contract law was really appealing to us. And so then, in addition to that, we were meeting all these amazing people like from the Weston A price foundation and all these folks that knew about really good food and knew the deception of the raw milk thing and all that and so we thought well, at the time I had sold my technology company, I was a consultant and it was like, Alright, why don't we just go into this big time and just do the farming full time. So we ended up moving to this 160 acre farm in young kala. And we came here with about four cows in 2012. And then we those cows now we have 60 cows, so they really do multiply when you put them on land and feed the morass. So yeah, so

Dr. Paul  10:32  
anyway, about herd of 66 Zero.

Unknown Speaker  10:35  
Yeah, 60 cows that were milking 15 Right now, because a lot of them, we raise cows with no pharmaceuticals, no vaccines, and those are really hard cows to find in organic. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  10:49  
The milking must be by machine if you have that many cows.

Unknown Speaker  10:52  
Yeah, we're milking with that we use a surge milker which Cap captures each cow's milk individually. And then we pour it right into the jars from that the surge milk or so the milk we produce is called single milk because the the name of the cow that produced it is on the jar. So

Dr. Paul  11:14  
people get very cool. Very personal. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  11:18  
it's very personal. That's part of what we want to do is reconnect people to the beauty of of the garden essentially, in the end, amazing food supply that God provides. So yeah.

Dr. Paul  11:33  
So you started with cows. Have you expanded beyond cows?

Unknown Speaker  11:37  
Yes, yeah, when we moved here, we, we bought a hog operation, because when you have cows, you have a lot of excess milk. And the traditionally, a dairy has hogs and raises hogs because the skim milk was considered a waste product. And they would use that to feed the hogs and raise the hogs. And so there's this integrated aspect to what we do. We have hogs, we have chickens, we're producing eggs, the chickens love the the their feed to be soaked in sour milk and hogs. Their their stuff is soaked in sour milk. So there's this lacto fermentation that goes on over the last decade. There's a few things that kind of developed early on, we became anti vaccine advocates because we found that we didn't need them for one thing with cows and cows are real similar to people. But also our God or Sonia, who's here had had had had her first child in Corvallis. And he was what's known as a vitamin C baby. Never didn't go to the doctor never got any vaccines.

Dr. Paul  12:53  
So it was like we should let let Sonia tell that story. Yeah. Tell us what it was like growing up with these nutty parents. You No, right. Yeah. And your your journey as as to figuring out how to live healthy and live off the land, so to speak. Yeah, so

Sonja Feintech  13:11  
I grew up in Corvallis. When I got pregnant with my first son at 21. His name is Helios, which is who the farm is named after because he kind of instigated the whole thing, like we eat healthy, and we were pretty mindful about our health. But it really took a turn when I was pregnant with him. And I actually was gifted a book, which is the Weston A price, foundation, wise traditions cookbook. And I started reading that was blowing my mind. And so we went and got the raw milk. And we started learning about vitamin C. And at first when people were like, Oh, are you gonna vaccinate your kid? I was like, Well, yeah, that's just what you do. And then I started kind of thinking being like, Well, if that's my automatic response, maybe I should look into it a little bit more. And so then we started kind of rejecting anything that had an automatic response without thought behind it, and sort of exploring all these different ways of doing things. And then like, via

Dr. Paul  14:06  
that, I want to highlight that, yeah, reject anything that you have an automatic response to. Nobody has ever said that on the show or in my entire life. Knowing what I now know, and I'm 65 You're spot on?

Sonja Feintech  14:20  
Yeah, it's a real thing. Because like, it's like, Oh, who's whose truth? Am I speaking right now? Like, is it something that comes from your parents? Or is it something that comes from the TV? And then if you actually start digging into it being like, oh, okay, like, this actually doesn't come from anywhere. And it's actually it's not truth for me. So then you have to, you know, then you end up researching and digging and whatever,

Dr. Paul  14:41  
you are so brilliant. So you just did another one, whose truth are you listening to or speaking and spouting? I get in these arguments with people I try to say the truth is singular. I mean, the truth is the truth. And then I'll have people come back and say, Yeah, but there's they have their truth. And that's what you're speaking to whose truth are you spouting? And yeah, carry on you, you're just wisdom after wisdom,

Sonja Feintech  15:06  
I have to credit my husband a little bit because he came up with the slogan, whose ideas are your ideas? And that one really, like, set it off for me. So yeah, anyways, it opened up this whole rabbit hole of things. So next thing I know, we've, you know, basically fled Corvallis to this farm in the middle of nowhere, where we're raising cows and, you know, drowning in raw milk and vitamin C and babies and, and it was it was really cool. And I was there with them for about off and on for about 10 years. And I have my second daughter there who was also home birth also unvaccinated. And it's funny, because it's kind of like you live in a, it's a canyon. So you kind of live in this bubble of reality, you're surrounded by, you know, birth and death and harvest and babies and, and all that stuff. And then my husband and I, shortly after we got married, decided to move to Portland, or, you know, access to career stuff for him and activities for the kids. And we thought, Oh, I'll be fine. You know, I've never lived in a city. My husband is from LA. So he was like, okay, you know, here we go. And I was pregnant with my third. So here we are in the city. And we're both from the farm, you know, living rurally. And we're stuck in the middle of Portland during the whole COVID thing. You know, I had my baby in my apartment building in Portland, like, I was still trying to, you know, do my thing. And, and it was pretty wild. That was a really big awakening for me. Because for me, like my, our form of protest, or our way of voting for things was just to do the things. So it's like, why I'm going to protest the pharmaceutical companies by just opting out, and I'm going to protest the vaccination schedule by opting out. But until all of this stuff was really like, at literally at my door, I realized that I needed to get a little bit more involved or I was gonna go mad. I was gonna go crazy in Portland. So I started during medical freedom protests. I actually met you at the vigil because I was on a rampage of meeting anyone and everyone that was a medical freedom leader. And so I actually I think I might have scared you a little bit because I came running up to you from behind was the guy Nice to meet you.

Dr. Paul  17:24  
But you looked familiar now I remember.

Sonja Feintech  17:27  
Yeah, like. And, yeah, sorry, through medical freedom rally in Oregon City on nading. Three years ago now. And it was super successful. And then I started working with free Oregon. So I was the political action director for free Oregon for somewhere under a year just while it was kind of getting on its feet and turning into what it is now. And I was working with Oregonians for medical freedom and children's health defense putting on a bunch of events. We did a big waterfront event with Dell big tree. I don't know if you spoke at that one. Yeah, I was there. Okay, now you were there. So for me, it was it was kind of a crazy escalation for what I'm used to, which is living on a farm and things just being kind of slow, and like you're actually dealing with real life death. But then getting into the political realm of things where you're dealing with things, you know, you're dealing with people and issues and putting on a fence and rallies and, and it was just interesting to have that balance in my life. And now I'm able to pull from my background, which is farming. But then now I have all of these connections and people I've met and leaders and people that are really important, and they have really important things to say out there that need to get out there. And I can kind of put those together into what I'm doing now.

Dr. Paul  18:49  
Thank you so much for that. So this regenerative farming that you're doing, why is it so relevant and describe it in a little more detail?

Unknown Speaker  19:00  
So that this has been developed for us? And it's basically to answer the questions. It's what had gone in 10 with food. And if we erase the last 100 150 years of agriculture, and all that interventions, like, you know, if you look at the vaccine industry, it's about interventions, right? Some kind of story, some kind of disease, and then some kind of prevention, that product that's released. And so man's interventions or God's design, and in our case, we always chose God's design and when you remove all the interventions, what happens is you are stewards of a regenerative process, the soil fertility starts regenerating, the animal health starts regenerating you actually, I would say that we're very complete li eliminating disease with the high dose nutrients and paying attention to microbiome science. So there's a

Dr. Paul  20:11  
true for your livestock as well as your own lives.

Unknown Speaker  20:13  
Yes, yeah. So like especially, yeah, but both really, but the livestock is pretty. They're disease free once you once you've quit, you know, intervening at birth and things like that with shots and their immune systems get stronger and stronger over the years over the seasons. And so

Dr. Paul  20:36  
share with our viewers because this is actually news to me. I know pediatrics, I know medicine, I don't know livestock management, what what kind of vaccination schedule would they typically be on and I, what other interventions are being done in a typical farm that you don't do?

Unknown Speaker  20:53  
So that there's one of the things that we do is we work in the private domain, which means we don't, we don't follow the state threat statutes as far as how to treat cows. But when cows are born, there's vaccine requirements. Essentially, there's diseases that are basically described, and when that disease is described, it has a product that you vaccinate your cat. So tetanus would be a simple example. You know, you give your cow a tetanus shot, if you're going to castrate it. Well, a better approach for us is to learn how to prevent tetanus because it's an aerobic disease. And so if you castrate them in a way that creates an anaerobic situation, then you see tetanus, we saw it once. And that was a big lesson on how to prevent it because we we really neglected that animal created an anaerobic wound, and then it got tetanus and died. So now it's like, okay, so it's so easy to prevent tetanus, you know, so for us, it's about, well, let's learn about the disease or learning about the microbe that they're talking about. Is it really a problem? Is it you know, so there's all these legacy vaccines, like when when a calf is born, you have to give them this, this and this? And it's like, yeah, we're what, what are those diseases about in the first place? Are they some of them marking their requirements for diseases that I think we're kind of architected or there were the, they were products of probably pesticides and chemicals that were introduced on farms, and that created an environment where that the microbes would get out of control or something, and then that would get defined as a disease, they'd come out of the product for disease, it's kind of, and then they would, you know, require everybody to do this vaccine. So there's one of those vaccines that is required, the disease was eliminated in Oregon, like in 1980, that never seen the disease. And I think it was probably a product of some kind of feed thing, pesticide thing, there's so many things that were going on that would cause a microbe to become an overgrowth in a few animals may be that and then they, they, so they create these policies, but the policies that can be re examined and maybe thrown out based on new science. So the science that our farm really goes after is microbiome science and orthomolecular science

Unknown Speaker  23:37  
and I would say one of the major differences between I mean, there's many, they're all different between us and an industrialized food supplies firm is our animals are not concentrated in that way. So they and the ground is not sterile it is it is full chock full of beneficial bacteria that are the animals are interacting with, then they're interacting with the soil. And so we just not seeing the kinds of things that you would in a really barren environment where there's you just got a concentration of animals you have to keep well or looking well with some kind of pharmaceutical product, maybe dealing with symptoms of a really sick system that are in

Sonja Feintech  24:37  
okay, I actually pulled up a shortlist of the vaccines because I was curious to I have written it down before but so it's a ibkr Bvd p 13. Don't know what these are VRSC virus leptospirosis, cholesterol. Cluster deal. I don't know what sure that is. E. coli mastitis calf diarrhea. He had diseases and then annually they do five of those every year, and then different ones prior to breeding. So it's, you know, and I don't even know what those are right? Like, that's, they're just putting those into the cows. And you can go get, you know, organic meat from the store, and it's going to be antibiotic free, and, you know, no more growth hormone and things like that, or no. But they're still getting vaccinated all those vaccines.

Dr. Paul  25:24  
Wow. I had no idea.

Unknown Speaker  25:27  
Yeah. And they're also coming out with mRNA vaccines for cattle sex, right,

Dr. Paul  25:33  
that they're requiring really has that started yet?

Unknown Speaker  25:37  
I'm not sure. Again, we're so we're, we're like, probably not the people that talk to you about what the requirements are. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  25:44  
but that, that just was like a BAM, that yeah, cannot you start eating meat that's mRNA. altered? Yeah, you're putting, you're putting those sequences in your own body.

Unknown Speaker  25:59  
Exactly. And so so when you just brought up this long list of vaccines that they are getting, we don't even know what those are. But those don't think those aren't ending up in the mill, don't take those aren't ending up in the meat. And in the fat, especially.

Unknown Speaker  26:18  
So part of part of our emphasis is, let's pay, let's figure out what God's design was in the first place, because we've lost touch with them. And a really good starting point is to look at our human knowledge of milk. And, and, and the fact that, you know, women when, what, when they're like having children, that's the first time they really get a realization that they're mammals at all, and that they produce milk. And they don't know much about milk, no one ever teaches about milk. But over the years, we've learned a lot about milk, for example, and it has a lot to do with microbiome science. So when a calf is born, it goes up to its mother's ughter, and grabs onto a T and that T is jet is dirty, nobody's washed that teat. So it's getting a sample of the microbiome, basically a mouthful of poo. And that's the microbiome of the whole herd. And then the milk is specifically designed to nourish microbes in the gut along the way. So as the cap is growing, it's nursing. And there's components in mammals milk that don't even nourish mammal cells, they nourish microbial cells. And this is all really comes real clear. If you read like the human super organism, or some of the latest microbiome science, it's about, well, these babies are born as mammal babies. And a big part of the human quest at birth, and the calf quest at birth is to collect all the microbes around them, and let them milk select which ones should be in their gut. And there's certain times in their development where certain microbes are implanted in the gut. So that same thing is true with cows and with humans. And the microbiome is very, very similar in our gut microbiome in that the so when you see a little baby at about two or three months, they start sticking everything they can in their mouth. So they're trying to sample all the microbes around them in the microbiome. And then the milk is nourishing the right microbes and ignoring the pathogenic microbes. And so they get a microbiome garden throughout their gut in as long as there's no interventions. Now, if you look, for example, at Wakefield's work, he was like, well, this vaccine is going right to the gut and destroying the microbiome. And that's kind of a summary of what his paper said, and then it causes this diarrhea and then these kids are, you know, regressing. And so your gut brain and all that all that science is really important in milk. Raw milk is what what creates that balance microbiome.

Unknown Speaker  29:18  
And I want to say that, we like to say that the land of milk and honey was not pasteurized.

Dr. Paul  29:26  
So I want to visit your farm and get some footage for our viewers of what it really looks like working on a farm. And as soon as you build a list of resources, I'll help you get it out there. We this is a real thing. It's a real movement and I consider you guys partners and let's pioneer in this. I have lots to learn from you. You can each give your closing thoughts that you would like the listener to consider.

Unknown Speaker  29:53  
All right, um, my my emphasis is that if we fix it Food System we actually can do, we're going back doing battle with the pharmaceutical system. So the first step is to fix the food system and to really understand it, to understand microbiome, the microbiome is and it's the latest science that is just suppressed sciences not not emphasized to understand that, and the multigenerational aspect of it is where health true health comes from nutrients good a balanced microbiome and, and eliminating these attitudes and things that have been. So if we fix the food system, we re localize it decentralize it. We're going to eliminate the power that pharmaceutical industry has over the over the people.

Dr. Paul  30:50  
Let food be thy health. That's right. Thanks, Kara. What are your closing thoughts? Kara?

Unknown Speaker  30:56  
My closing thoughts are all of you out there who know there's something wrong in the system, you know, deep down, it's one thing or the other, you know, there's something wrong and system, opt out of it. And use your use your strengths to seek action that you can take and skills you can get, and supporting things that you believe in and opt out of the systems that aren't working for you. And that you see aren't working for your neighbors on so this farm

Unknown Speaker  31:34  
here ask how can I help? How can I

Unknown Speaker  31:37  
ask your farm? How can I help today? And we'll tell you and we will help you.

Dr. Paul  31:43  
Fantastic opt out and ask your local farmer and Sonia finish it out for us what do you want people to remember

Sonja Feintech  31:51  
to look at everything that's going on holistically. So the full picture, we do a lot of treating the symptom, you know, we're fighting against that we're we're fighting to keep our kids in these schools we're fighting to, you know, keep our grocery shelves stocked. And, and really, you have to go a little bit farther back and look at as a whole what's broken. And the fact is that all these structures are very, very broken. And we can keep on trying to fight in that system. Or you can say, You know what, let's take a step back. And let's look at what's really important, which is human potential. It all starts with health, you know, you can we can address pharmaceutical issues all day. But why do we Why do they think we need these pharmaceuticals? Why is that such a huge industry? What are we eating? What are they telling us to eat? So it really, it all comes back to a pretty condensed idea about how to fix the broken things? And what might be the answers to some of those questions. And I think that it starts with beginning of life. So you know, babies, what the babies are eating, what the mothers are eating? Where do we get our food, and our connection to all of that. So

Dr. Paul  33:05  
beautiful. I want to thank all three of you. This has been I've got goosebumps kind of interview for me. You all are such a blessing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I can't wait to meet you in person. All right. I'm

Unknown Speaker  33:19  
looking forward to it. Thank you, Dr. Paul.

Sonja Feintech  33:21  
Thank you for having us.

Dr. Paul  33:30  
Dr. Paul, welcome to another episode. This is a unique one. I have beside me DD Hoover, who is an incredible influence in my life. She has been body worker and coach wellness coach for pediatric practice integrative pediatrics for few years now. My own personal wellness coach when I was going through all the stuff I've been going through, we'll chat a little bit more about that. And she is helping me manage this show against the wind and we'll be taking your questions as we go forward. She's the one you're interacting with. So why don't you meet the Hoover? Very close friend and so important and everything we're doing here? Today she's interviewing me, so have at it.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  34:12  
Here we go. All right. Okay, Dr. Vom, so tell me what's happening. I've heard that something's changed in your life with Oregon Medical Board, and your license.

Dr. Paul  34:25  
Big things happens. We're going to share those Can I start a little bit of history for maybe folks who haven't ya heard my story? Yep. Okay. I was raised in Africa, went to medical school, became a pediatrician. When taught residents and medical students went into private practice 13 years into private practice. The last four years I had a child who was doing perfect at age 12 months or 18 months regressed into severe autism by age two, that fourth case broke my heart. I'm still in touch with that family weekly. He's 16. Now he's still nonverbal. He hits his head. It's done. horrendous life and I knew the moment I walked in that day. It wasn't good. So, why, right? Why was this going on? Nobody was answering that question. I've been in a deep dive of research had already come to a understanding, or at least a sense that there's something we're doing that is harming these kids. I was suspicious, it was the vaccines. And it became clear that they were related, as I heard more and more and more stories. So you'll have these parents tell you, my kid got a shot, got a vaccine, and the next day I lost my kit. And you hear that once? That's Oh, that's interesting. What

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  35:37  
a sad by losing their their kid, you mean, they're just

Dr. Paul  35:41  
gone, right? They're not dead. But there's nobody home, right? You go from a smiling, active, interacting talking child, to somebody who's spinning in circles hitting their head, playing by themselves and can't interact or make eye contact. It's devastating. So that's a case of severe autism, hundreds of those stories were rolling in for me. That's when I went to my partners. And I said, I can't do business. As usual. I know, I can't do a hepatitis B vaccine for a newborn who doesn't need it. It doesn't make sense. That vaccine has so much aluminum. And there's zero need for it for those moms who are known to be happy, negative anyway, as one example. So I started integrating pediatrics, we had a different vaccine schedule. Let's fast forward a number of years. Now it's becoming real clear. As more and more families are joining in, I'm having more and more families who are choosing not to vaccinate. So how can you allow that Doc? Right? Well, we give informed consent. So if you came to me and you said, we have autism in our family, we have story after story of kids getting shots and going into severe autism, we don't want to vaccinate our kids anymore. I would honor that. That's informed consent, the foundation of our office. So then I wrote the vaccine friendly plan. It was published in 2016. It was just a different way of doing things. There's the CDC schedule. There's other ways of doing things. It wasn't like mine was the only book there's the vaccine book Dr. Sears wrote, which gave some other ideas. And that seemed to start the process that starts approaching your question, right. So the medical board starts coming with various complaints and complaints and complaints. And some of you been watching the show know that. It's come to a head. So in January of 2019, I got a letter saying prove that the vaccine friendly plan is as safe as the CDC schedule. I remember when that letter going, This is ridiculous. How can you prove it? The CDC can't prove that what they're doing is any better than what they did the year before, or any better than doing nothing? Or it's just they just do. Somebody gave me the idea, do a quality assurance analysis of your data. Brilliant. So we hired an expert to come in independent thinker, this guy's he came in says, you know, I'm a nerd. And I just go with the data. I don't know what we're going to find this. And I don't know either. I was a little suspicious. I knew what he'd find. But I really didn't know. First day comes up.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  38:09  
Are you nervous? Slightly?

Dr. Paul  38:12  
I kind of knew, but you just don't know. Right? Right. And the point is, if we had found out that kids who were following the vaccine friendly plan, we're in danger. I needed to know that. Or if they're benefiting from it, that'd be important information as well. When it comes out of the office, the first day of diving into the data says, I know I'm not supposed to notice the data. I'm just gathering it. But Paul, this is incredible. Your unvaccinated patients just don't get sick. Those were his exact words. And he went on and spent a week got all the data collected at all. We published it in what became the real powerful real world data Vax on vac study, with Jack Lyons Wheeler that was ultimately retracted.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  38:52  
Thankfully, just because it retracted.

Dr. Paul  38:56  
One complaint, who said that it's invalid, he hypothesized that people who don't vaccinate, they don't go to health care visits, they don't seek medical care. So of course, your data is going to show that the unvaccinated don't have much going on because they never see doctors anyway. It's actually theoretically a very good point. So we had already looked at it, and we actually addressed it in the first article, but a second article was just published that did a deep dive into that question, and found that our Unvanquished patients had more well child visits than their vaccine counterparts. So completely put to rest that major complaint that that person had made. So we now in addition to that this new publication that Jack Lyons Wheeler and Russell Blaylock did, Russell Blaylock pediatric neurologists written a lot extensively was let's look at what happens when patients stop vaccinating and compare them to those who continue vaccinating out. If you had proposed that question to me, my theory would have been those who stopped vaccinating. They're seeing a problem. Those who continue vaccinating have healthy kids are not worried about it. So I would have thought it would have shown that those who stopped vaccinating have more damaged kids more sick kids more issues, they found the exact opposite. Those who stopped vaccinating at whatever point they stopped, compared to those who continue vaccinating. It was like four or five times as many health problems for those who continue vaccinating.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  40:33  
Well, that makes sense to me. If you think about it, it does, yes. Because if you're doing something that's not good for you, or you could have a reaction to and you stop it, then you're not going to have a reaction. If you keep vaccinating, then there's a possibility of having a reaction.

Dr. Paul  40:48  
You're absolutely right. In fact, that is why we would advise in our practice, that if you're seeing something of concern, just stop, don't keep pounding them with something that might be causing a problem. So we think a lot of like, now, let's fast forward to December of 2020. They take my license on an emergency basis, because I'm a threat to public health. This was five days after my article was just published, which was a strange coincidence, to sequences to coincidence, six months later, they gave it back because they realized they had taken it without.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  41:25  
I remember that a friend of yours suggested that if it was illegal, then Why could they do it?

Dr. Paul  41:30  
Yeah, that friend happens to be sitting right here. Anyway, that was a really good idea. By the way. You have good ideas. Thank you. Sometimes, Why hang on to this one. All right. So let's just fast forward. I've had 30 Plus letters from the board requesting various things, no patient complaints, but complaint complaint letters, they call them since I lost my license. That's about one a month or no more. It's it's just been an incredible. They have stacked up this list of complaints. And unsubstantiated that really, I couldn't refute them. We could fight them. And we have. But what was coming down the pike was a three week hearing with the Oregon Medical Board, which for can you

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  42:21  
explain what what a hearing is as opposed to a trial?

Dr. Paul  42:25  
Yes, a trial, especially at trial by jury, then you are given that opportunity to have your peers the jury assess the validity of the complaints and the information of both sides. And that should be a fair way. It's actually an a wonderful thing we have in our country, not that all trials are end up fair, but at least you have a shot. When it's just in front of a judge, if it was a neutral judge, and the judges rulings were binding. There's possibility you could get a fair trial there as well. What happens in Oregon is is an Oregon State appointed judge, you're going up against the Oregon State Medical Board. On top of that, the judge just makes recommendations. So imagine, we've got these 30 letters of complaint six different formal complaints, things as minut as well, you ordered MMR titers on a patient 10 years ago, and the mumps was not active. So you should have had that patient get the mumps vaccine. Well, they didn't want it. But I should have made it happen. And I didn't. So that's a violation. And you could get fined violation of what standard of care. This is what medical boards use nowadays are actually going after you for misinformation and disinformation. But we don't even need to go there with mine. It was simply this sort of standard of care notion. And what was odd about this one for me was really it all boiled down to informed consent. The Oregon Medical Board was challenging my right to provide informed consent. I was

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  44:01  
supposed to be there just because I think most people understand what informed consent means. But just clarifying that informed consent means you're telling somebody correct, like informed consent in regards to a vaccination, is you explaining what that vaccine is what it is for everything about it, correct? Yes. And then that means the parent then has the right to choose because they've been given informed consent. Is that

Dr. Paul  44:29  
right? Yeah, you should be given the pros, the cons and the alternatives. So in the case of a vaccine, you should have the option to take it or not take it. That's informed consent. If there's no option, and this is what's happening in all pediatric practices around the country, almost all you have to take the CDC schedule or there's the door. Right, they're calling that informed consent because I'm going to hand you this little thing called vizzes Vaccine Information Sheet put out by the CDC, that kind of touches very minimally on problems with vaccines, but oh, look at all these diseases that we're going to save you from. Now you've been informed, the nurse will be in with your vaccine. If you don't want it well then out. That's not informed consent. That's coercion. It's, it's what's going on in this country? Right? Yep. So we provide informed consent. And that's apparently not okay.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  45:26  
Right. So sorry, you're gonna fight them.

Dr. Paul  45:30  
So you ask tough questions. I am in this till I die as far as fighting for kids freedom, fighting for informed consent, and doing what's right. You know, when you know what's right, and you turn your back to that? I can't do that. So I wanted to fight all the way. Right. There's this three week hearing, that's a kangaroo court that is every single attorney I've consulted, said yes, you will lose. And as you lose, you will pay for your attorneys fees, their attorneys fees, and the fines and the way the board had stacked up all these MMR little things, almost 100 of those and the fine could be in the millions, certainly up to a million and all their fees. And it when every expert I talked to says, Paul, I don't What are you doing? Right? And I even had a very prominent attorney from back east say, well, we just had a win in Maine, we you should fight it. So I looked into it, that that doctor who won in Maine had a jury trial, right? Oh, if we had a jury trial, let's go right. So rather not, you're done. So rather than fight that, we have just this is the breaking news you've been trying to get to. Sorry, it took so long. I just wanted people to have the history. So with a lot of thought and deliberation, and that still doesn't feel right, that I had to sign this thing to let it go away. But my attorney was able to negotiate them writing off everything. They're dropping everything except they get to file because it's the law. This was so annoying. They get to file all their charges anyway, with the national data bank. So people who go to the national data bank will think, oh, wow, this guy's terrible, because they use all these derogatory terms about you, that have not been proven right. And I didn't get my day in court. But it wouldn't have mattered how they had my day in court, the system is just rigged in that way. So I'm continuing to fight in this way. I'm fighting the board by suing them individually. And I'm told that won't go well. But we can appeal. And more importantly, we have this show, right? We have a new program that I'm starting called Kids First forever, with somebody very near and dear to me. Oh, that's, you know, yeah. So that's going to be a way that we can educate, we can inform, we can teach, we can. So you're not going to have a license, but I won't be licensed. So I will not be diagnosing and treating in Oregon in Oregon. I currently have a license in Washington and Hawaii and I may choose to get licensed in other states, or try to. It's very difficult, I believe I'm told that

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  48:15  
there's better ways to do what you want to do, right? Absolutely. So what are you gonna do?

Dr. Paul  48:19  
Do what I'm supposed to do? Okay, well, when

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  48:21  
do you no longer have a license?

Dr. Paul  48:23  
That will be on December 5? This year? So in about five weeks? Okay. Six weeks, seven weeks?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  48:29  
Okay. Five? Are you excited?

Dr. Paul  48:32  
Actually, I am. So I have to tell you. If it weren't for this woman here, I would be a mess. You have this ability to coach in in a such? I don't know how to put it. You never told me what to

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  48:52  
do. I guess it's not up to a coach to tell you what is what

Dr. Paul  48:54  
do you want to do? Well, I don't know. What do you want to do? I don't know. And you will have you thought about this. And it just is such a such an amazing process. And I've watched you coach teenagers who are anxious, depressed, going, suicidal going through, and I've watched them just blossom. So I thought, wow, what better than pairing up with somebody with that skill set? So I'm excited about kids first forever. I'd be kind of curious to ask you now. What's your vision for kids first forever? And what's yours? What led you to want to do this?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  49:34  
Well, as you know, and one thing I want to say about coaching is that you are coachable. There are times when I'm when I'm coaching whether it's kids or parents and you have to work to make the changes and to see things and for you. I'm going to tell on you now. Oh my god years ago, you had such a big huge ego and just thought you knew every Thinking. And you would talk to people that way. And because you did, you did know what was right and wrong for these people's kids and your mind, you knew those things. But I think sometimes, like I learned with you and you learned through is that we all have the soul, there's four parts to us, which is what kids first forever is about. And that is your spiritual connection. And I think that's one of the most important physical, mental and emotional, everything that you went through with, with the state. And now with your practice, because I know that's another question you should probably answer is people want to know, I mean, integrated pediatrics is, it's amazing. It's one of the very, very few types of this pediatric clinic where parents get informed consent. I know, it's one of the only ones in Oregon and very, very few across the world. So I know that you starting that baby and having that that it was important to you to find something to be able to continue to do that, and is working so closely together. And in the same office, seeing what my work represented and working with these kids from birth up that it helped you to see, maybe your soul kind of got stuffed a little bit. And so you woke up. And I don't, I don't know if I'm supposed to talk to the camera or not. But for those of you that are out there, the difference is and the work that Dr. Pol put forth, is so powerful, and was so needed to be able to help so many people, he's done it through this show, he still continues to do it with his patients, and everybody around you. And being able to come to that place has been I have to tell you, it's been an incredible thing to watch and to see. And to know that I helped you to lie No. So kids first forever is about those four areas. And I had a very rough childhood, and a lot of things that that I that I struggled through, I had a rough time as a teenager and coming into my own and finally finding my passion, which was to work to help people prevent pain. And I started off when I first started going to body workers started with pregnancy and infinite work. And then all of a sudden, I started to notice, especially about 1015 years ago, people were becoming addicted to pain medications. And some people wanted massage to help with the pain, but it wasn't preventing it. It was dealing with it. It was band aids and things to help get through pain. And I was like, I want to work on the side of preventing pain. And pain isn't just physical. It's emotional. It's spiritual. It's, it's mental. And there's so many mental health issues and watching what people were going through my own family, my own sister, losing her battle with mental health and drug addiction. So I want to prevent it. So I thought, Oh, I prayed for a pediatrician. About seven years ago, God handed me one to work with to work in your practice to help kids. And I we started with kids with scoliosis, and some older kids and wellness coaching and all that working with sports. These kids already had pain. I'm like, What the heck, they're having pain. You I was working on five year olds with migraines, what is going on? So came into the clinic started working with you with newborns. And it was like, Oh, my goodness,

Dr. Paul  53:17  
you stole my title to I was the baby whisperer. Folks, there is no better baby whisperer than this one when you get a baby in your hands, and they just melt. And I thought it was magic, because I didn't realize you were working. Right.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  53:30  
But that's where we start. Is it birth? Birth can be traumatic. Yeah. So starting then, and raising kids in this healthy way. That was my passion. I wanted to prevent what happened to me as a child from happening to other kids. So I just came up with kids first forever. And you were you're living it and doing it too. So we decided to join forces.

Dr. Paul  53:53  
And I think we'll be a pretty strong team. I have some medical background, you have this wisdom and ability to touch the soul even plus the bodywork talent and skill and ability. What we've been able to do already is incredible. And now we're going to bring it to the world. So this is pretty exciting.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  54:11  
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. So we have a speaking event coming up. You have a speaking event coming up and I know that we speak together but so I want to ask you when you're up in front of these huge audiences and talking to people I know some people will call you that you're an anti Vaxxer and you have a vaccine friendly plan book Correct? Correct. And someone asked me one time so now we're gonna switch to some of the questions that I get

Dr. Paul  54:38  
before we go to the questions okay, brought up integrated pediatrics and some of the viewers are going to be my patients from integrated pediatrics and most already know that, you know, I'm retiring on December 5, actually, the last day of November is my last day of seeing patients. The beauty is the incredible blessing. Is that the nurse prac petitioners who work here are all staying, a couple of them have stepped up to say we're going to keep it going, we're going to essentially purchase the essential elements of this practice. So we just stay the same place the same team, and no one's been with you. They beat me from the start. And you know what's amazing. So I've been seeing a lot of patients, I opened up my schedule these last two months, just hey, come see me with any kind of acute problem. I don't care what it is, you want to come see me one last time. So I'm seeing, you know, 1015 20 patients a day and every single one is staying with integrated pediatrics because they love

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  55:34  
but it's not integrated pediatrics, it is not.

Dr. Paul  55:37  
Sorry, good clarification. We are closing integrated pediatrics. It's changing its name to Northwest pediatric integrative medicine. But it's the same team. It's the same group, and they provide informed consent. They're going to vaccinate those who want to be vaccinated. If you want the CDC schedule, you can have it. But you can also do now and if that's what you really feel compelled to do. There's choice, right? Parent's choice informed consent, ethical medicine. So that is a huge blessing and a huge weight off my shoulders. When I was struggling. And you remember, I'm losing everything. I'm losing my license, I'm losing my practice, like what's going to happen? It's just going to fall apart. And it's all coming together as if it were in some higher power plan or something. Hmm, maybe? Yeah. All right. I interrupted.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  56:24  
So what was I saying? Forgetting to? So no, so some of the questions like what you're going to be doing, you're still you're able to do research. Now you're still able to do a lot of things and talk because it's free speech. You're not diagnosing or treating or anything like that. But a big part of that I know when you're talking is that some people have a difficult time with you because they think you're just an anti Vaxxer. And that's just vaccines. So what do you say to those people that think you're an anti Vaxxer?

Dr. Paul  56:59  
So a lot of parents who've had a, they were vaccinating according to what their doctor said, most anti Vax parents were former fully Vax, Zen ating parents, they had an injury. And then nobody would listen to him. Right. And so being shunned and shift shifted to the side, they go to the truth of what happened. And the truth is vaccine for them caused injury. And why would you go and risk another injury to another child or continue to potentially injure the child who's injured. So it's just a derogatory label for somebody who's actually vaccine risk aware, right. And so I like to use that term rather than anti Vax, I would be completely all in on vaccines, if you had a safe vaccine that had been properly tested with true placebo, and you looked at all health outcomes, that has never been done for a single vaccine on the planet. And they've certainly never looked at the full schedule. So as the CDC added vaccine after vaccine after vaccine, the childhood schedule now if you follow the whole thing through AJ teen, it's over 70 different vaccines given and half of them are in the first two years of life while your immune system is trying to process self and non self. And it's insane, right? So I'm anti the current vaccine schedule. And I'm anti the current vaccines, because they have not been properly tested. Right. But if we had a very deadly disease, and we did the proper sort of development, and safety testing, I'm all in, you shouldn't have to coerce people to get a vaccine. I mean, if you've got a real threat, and you've got a really great product, people are going to line up,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  58:49  
right? Well, you're not going to have the response. So you do want to know what I say instead of anti bad want to know, what do you say ProHealth? All right, I'm pro making the choices that are best for my child. And all of us, including me, always did not always make the best choices. But the more information that's out there, and the more that we see, then yeah, we have to make those choices based on health. So that brings us to one popular question that I'm seeing all the time. It's slowing down a little bit, but that is polio. People are saying that Polio is back and they want to vaccinate their children for this but you somewhere along the line, someone said that you don't need to you said that you you didn't need to.

Dr. Paul  59:33  
So until I lose my license, I could be accused of giving medical information. So I have to be a little careful about right. You know, how I educate

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  59:44  
now what I what I want to know is tell me about like why is there fear right now the New York thing? Yeah.

Dr. Paul  59:51  
So they found through PCR testing of sewage, some poliovirus have the vaccine strain. So in parts of the world, they still do an oral live virus so it can stay in your system. So if you're over in India, Pakistan, who knows where they're still doing a live oral polio vaccine, you traveled in New York, you use the flush toilet and flush it into the sewer. They test it. Oh, we've got polio in New York. Alarm alarm. Right, right. Well, I think you could probably identify any virus in the world in a sewer. Honestly, using PCR techniques, the the real issue is, what percentage of New Yorkers given the fact that we have flush toilets, and we hand wash before we eat, right? I mean, come on, the risk is is as close to zero as it gets. Right. So there's just no risk. So even though that vaccine is not that dangerous in my mind, right? There's also

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  1:00:51  
part of it with just vaccines in general, it's like you said, if there's some deadly thing going around, and there's a safe way to prevent it, and who's going to be effective, then why wouldn't you write? So I think that we should go to the CDC, and tell them to start making vaccine safer.

Dr. Paul  1:01:11  
I think that would be a great idea. Oh, have you go tell him and let me know how it goes.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  1:01:16  
Okay. Thanks for watching.

Dr. Paul  1:01:20  
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In his From the Heart segment, Dr. Paul encourages us to step into our calling by being a light in this world. It just takes a spark to light a fire, and sometimes we must be that spark by speaking the truth with love and courage. Let’s take a stand for our children, families, nation, and our world by responding to the call.

In his From the Heart segment, Dr. Paul encourages us to step into our calling by being a light in this world. It just takes a spark to light a fire, and sometimes we must be that spark by speaking the truth with love and courage. Let’s take a stand for our children, families, nation, and our world by responding to the call.
 
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Next, close friend and mentor Dee Dee Hoover interviews Dr. Paul about what’s next. They discuss some exciting future projects underway involving a new venture called Kids First 4Ever that you don’t want to miss!

​Dr. Paul  0:00  
Dr. Paul Welcome to against the wind doctors in science under fire. I interviewed Dr. Monique Robles. She is a pediatric critical care specialist and a bio ethicist. We talk about the weaponization of the medical establishment, the serious consequences of these mRNA injections. She also serves as a medical witness supporting parental rights and folks that's hard to come by. He has put together a whistleblower report this airs on America out loud weekly. We've got a closing message for parents about COVID vaccines and vaccines in general Bernadette closes out the show with what you do when you go to the state capitol and talk to senators and politicians. And she covers some vital information we all need to know about these lobbyists who are filling these halls. Very interesting information. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart. I'm calling this segment Love is the reason. And I have a story that was incredibly impactful to me. Just this past week, while at the Oregon coast, at my house there. There was a knock on the door at about 1115 at night, I was just getting ready to go to bed. And a neighbor was saying, Did you know the house down the street is on fire.

And so we walked out. Take a look at this and this home was completely engulfed in flames. I mean, the sparks were flying 100 200 feet into the air.

This is a forested area on the Oregon coast and trees all around. And the first thought to me was this neighborhood's going down, we need to evacuate. So what do you take in a split second, when you've got maybe a minute or two, grab cell phones, computers and got out of there.

Long story short that next morning.

We were drawn to go see what happened. And standing in front of a completely burned down home smoldering. Still a few flames in the ashes was a couple who that was their home. They had lived there for 50 years. They were in their early 80s. He was an artist, a musician, a writer, nothing backed up on the cloud. They lost everything.

They weren't even wearing their own shoes, they had to leave in a split second in their pajamas. They didn't even take their keys or their wallet, everything gone.

And they were standing there in complete shock. And I just get a chill thinking about what that must have been like to lose absolutely everything.

The incredible thing about this experience was there was a sense of peace even in this state of shock that they were in.

We were able to befriend them. We hadn't actually met this couple before, even though they'd lived there for 50 years, and helped them get a cell phone, some basic underwear, socks, T shirts, some of the basics. There was a love connection, and a piece about this whole thing even though they're starting from absolute scratch.

And I was just impressed by the fact of what love can do. The fact that we're not alone,

and we're called to be there for one another. There's this was a time of real darkness, I'm sure in their lives that despair that we saw that first day and yet there was a light in this darkness. And so I feel like it's a calling to all of us to be a light and to be love to one another.

Welcome Dr. Monique Robles. It is such a privilege and an honor to have you back on against the wind. 

Thank you. It's good to be here. It's good to be back. You know, viewers may not know that. I get the pleasure right now of talking to somebody who's appear. You are an expert in the field of Pediatrics. But beyond that you are in critical care. I remember going through my training. I loved critical care, but boy, that's hard work and long hours. But the unique thing really beyond that is that you are a bio ethicist and a mom. So you bring all of this together, and you've got a powerful voice right now. I can't wait to hear what you're going to share with us.

Maybe before I start asking you a few questions, just give me a what's on your mind today.

Monique Robles, MD  4:40  
 Yeah, um, so Paul, we have chatted, I've recently been doing a sort of a series of articles on the attacks on our children. Really, that's what's happening in our culture right now. And I'm trying to decipher in my mind how all these attacks can be categorized because that's what we do.

Medicine, right? We, we sort of put things into categories, whether it's systems or diseases or processes, but it helps us to understand things better. And so when I can categorize things, it helps me to go through a differential basically. So when I started thinking more about the tax on on our children in society,

I began to, we have direct attacks, we tend to think about direct attacks that affect them. And those can be immediate, or they could be, you know, harmful, and potentially life threatening, but but not immediate. And then we have indirect attacks on children that come via typically removal of parental rights or sort of medical kidnapping that's starting to come to the stage. Yeah.

Boy, you use the term which I just read in one of your blogs, weaponization of the medical establishment. And it was like, how perfectly put that that's what's happening. And yet I don't think most of our physicians are aware of it. Yeah, I don't think you're aware of it. If you don't, if you don't look for it, right. And you're you're so engrossed in what's happening in medicine, because you're a part of it, or you've trained and you have missed the periphery of what's happening. But really, if we look back over the years, medicine has become a weapon. It's been politicized. And we I think we can really see that that in the past, probably two and a half, what, two and a half, almost three years now, in what's happened with censorship, doctors not allowed to be doctors, doctors not allowed to take care of patients, how we know best, and how we can interact and treat each personal patient based on their disease processes based on many factors that the government doesn't know. They're not the medical experts. And so, yeah, it's and I believe that what's happening is that medicine is being used for purposes that never was intended. Yeah, we're not we're not healing people. Yeah. Why isn't that the truth? There's more.

Dr. Paul  7:34  
I've got a few years on you. And I've seen us veer away from the healing concept to it's all just diagnose and treat. And the more diseases we can have, the better it's more money. I don't know. It's crazy. On the indirect attacks, I just had an experience and mom came into my clinic today, I'm still seeing patients. I've got another six weeks before I relinquish my license and retire from that part of my career. But yeah, that's right. Yeah, I had a mom come in today, I was a follow up hospitalization for asthma. And the child was seven years old, never been asthmatic before had a sudden severe attack, you would understand this because if she wasn't in the ICU, she should have been she was on a continuous NEBS for several hours, SATs that went as low as the 70s. And, but responded thankfully, beautifully well, and ended up back in her room within 24 hours. And prior to discharge. They were going to vaccinate her this was a completely unvaccinated child. And then two nurses came in and did a head to toe skin examination. Because she, after she wouldn't vaccinate, the nurse said, Oh, and left came back with two nurses, and they did a head to toe skin exam. I mean, for those of you watching those things have nothing to do with the care of an asthmatic. And I think, reading between the lines, and I'd be interested in your thoughts on this, but I remember being in training, and we were always taught to watch out for child abuse, right. I mean, I in fact, I was a child abuse expert for many years. And one of the things you do is look for bruising and all of that, well, the hospital systems, and this was our best pediatric hospital in town. But hospitals in general, I think go a little far when it comes to securing the safety of the child, oh, this is an unmatched child, therefore they must be it must be

unsafe, and then they take it to that next step.

Monique Robles, MD  9:30  
Elaborate, if you will, I think this ties into some of the things you're doing. Sure. It sounds like in the scenario that you just presented that it's looking for more evidence of abuse of the child when really based on the data that's coming out that there's not an abuse of the child but in the medical community or what we know is the medical establish

Given how we've been trained, is that vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate, and that's the only way to go. And if a parent or a guardian questions that, then they must be, they must not be, they must not have the best interest of the child in mind.

But the question becomes, have we had a dialogue with that parent to understand their rationale as to why the pupil have be will make decisions for reasons not just on the cuff? We make decisions we make conscientious decisions, because of our experience are?

Dr. Paul  10:46  
What's happened to other people that we know that, that maybe the nurses don't know. And so I think there's it's just understanding sort of the bigger picture where an individual is coming from? Well, and, and wouldn't it maybe even go a little further. So when I started medicine in pediatrics, I had no clue that there was a problem with any vaccine, I really believed, from the core of my heart that vaccines were safe and effective. I didn't know back then that that was a marketing slogan.

All interventions have potential risks. And most interventions have potential benefits. But it's all about weighing those out. And so I think these parents, oftentimes, at least in my experience, because I have about a third of my patients who don't vaccinate at all, by their choice that come to my practice, because they've already done the research, they've already figured out they don't want to, and they're kicked out of other practices.

You're absolutely right, they've done a lot of research, and they're not making that decision lightly. In fact, most of them are afraid to go to a hospital, because they're afraid of just this thing. They're gonna get child protective services involved. So this subset of people are sort of going underground.

Monique Robles, MD  12:00  
That's a great point. I love how you said that.

It's all the slogan has been safe and effective. But we don't say that about any other medication or intervention, that it's 100% safe is basically what's implied, and that it's going to do its job with with no risk. You that's a that's a great point. And it is interesting, because it's true that a lot of these these

individuals, if they do go quote, underground, then that makes them more of a target, right? It's like, Well, why didn't you bring in your child for this visit? Or why did you wait so long? Yeah, because it's creating an environment of fear when, when our duty is to take care of all of humanity,

Dr. Paul  12:54  
based on just the dignity of the human person, and not to judge, we make those decisions. And we we can make some judgments, the more we understand where for us, the parents are coming up from and then looking at just the child in general, the you know, what's the way? How do they interact? I mean, there's so many, there's so many things that we can look at, to get a big picture. Ya know, you're so right. I mean, you've got a happy, thriving child is developmentally on schedule, or advanced and making amazing eye contact. They're, they're just, you know, you see these kids who are so alive and interacting beautifully with their parents than on a single parameter. They're not vaccinating, you're gonna call them neglectful parents. It's exactly Yeah, exactly. So let's, let's pivot. Now, we talked about the direct and indirect attacks on our children, I think you have done some pretty clear writing and speaking about direct attacks, we're talking about end of life things abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, fill us in on what you see as some direct attacks that we need to become aware of as parents. Right. So we were very well aware of the abortion industry, and with the recent overturn of Roe v. Wade, and bringing those that decision back to the States. And it is it's a sad, it's a sad era in medicine to think that over 63 million children have been aborted since 1973. And, you know, the fight still continues, where, you know, there are some states that

Monique Robles, MD  14:39  
allow even up to term, the removal of a child from the womb

euthanasia now euthanasia is not legal here in the United States. We do have physician assisted suicide in many states. But euthanasia is the act

Fuel injection or administration of the of the life ending medication by the physician to the person seeking to end the life. But it is

legal in a couple countries for minors. So we if you think of the Netherlands, and I believe this was first legalized in 2002. And then soon after Belgium, now there is a caveat. In the Netherlands euthanization of children zero to one is allowed. And then 12 and older. In Belgium, they run the whole spectrum of age. So there's no age limit. I did not know that in those countries, who gets to decide that this child can be basically killed? Right? So well, the decision is, if you think about children can't give the consent and especially if they're infants, there's there's no input, it becomes it comes down to the parents and the physicians based on subjective

criteria. Really what you know, some of it, I guess, you could consider objective a child who has a,

quote, terminal illness and not expected to live, you know, very long. So and they categorize those by what's known as the Gron engine protocol. And so those are for infants one and under, they sort of classify them, I believe there's five categories that they put them in those with immediate life threatening

illnesses or diseases, those who are incurable. And so they look at the suffering of the child, but then I begin to question Is it the suffering of the child or this or the suffering that the community or the parents are going to have to endure and taking care of the child? So and then the minors 12 and older in the Netherlands, supposedly the children have

some sort of say, and that they have been discussing in the Netherlands to also

incorporate the one through 12 age range as Belgium already has done.

Dr. Paul  17:25  
I have a case when I was in residency, I was a second year pediatric resident. And I was at a hospital that had no attendings. And I was taking care of a really critically ill child in the ICU. Nobody else was willing to manage that child. And they were terminal. I mean, I started an IV on a thumb, you know, it's like, it's all that was left. And I remember the parents anguish and thinking, Boy, wouldn't it be? Wouldn't it be more kind to just let this patient, you know, succumb, which was the most likely inevitable outcome. And that was one thought. But I have another story that just like, whoa, gives me chills. So a mom, paramedic mom in the shower, her nine month old baby dies, in what we would term SIDS in the lingo of pediatricians. She comes out her baby is not breathing in blue and resuscitate this baby. She doesn't know if it was 510 minutes, something like that, since she had last been in touch with the baby. That little baby was in my practice until about age six or seven, completely stiff, vegetative.

The MRI or CT scan of the brain showed nothing but brainstem, from what I can tell just a hollow skull, and that they were hospitalized two, three times for antibiotics because the parents still wanted to do everything. And then they moved away. They came back to our area when the child was about 13. Walking and talking.

Yeah, well explain that.

Oh, folks, sometimes, you know, there can be the tiniest amount of brain left and it takes over somehow now it wasn't perfect speech. And it wasn't perfect. ambulation it was very clumsy. But personality was there. There was there was a real human being there. It just sort of shows we shouldn't play god I guess. Oh, absolutely. God knows how to play God.

Monique Robles, MD  19:30  
Right God knows how to be God and that I think that just goes to show that

Dr. Paul  19:37  
we are only the instruments. There's a greater plan and and who knows how many prayers those parents said so. Yeah. So I'm gonna pivot to a more complicated topic of grave concern these days.

What are your thoughts about I know you've thought about this and written a little bit about putting

Initial deadly consequences of mRNA injections. Sure. You know,

Monique Robles, MD  20:06  
my concern really is just the just the product in and of itself is unlike any other injection or any other vaccine that we give to children on the immunization schedule. It's a whole new platform.

And it was rolled out very quickly. The trials were meant, basically what we were told

was effective was really manipulation. Just to get the, the products out. We've had the, you know, the the recent bombshell report that the from the Pfizer executive at the European Parliament say, Oh, we never, we never tested transmission, the decrease in transmission with these products, we had to get it out at the speed of science.

So we know it's not a vaccine, it doesn't prevent transmission, it doesn't prevent the severity of disease.

And and the the harms that are that are coming, there's no benefit to children. We know, we know that we've seen that for two and a half years, children do well, there's no benefit. There's only harm. And, and that in of itself is a fundamental

principle in in medicine. And the the ethics of medicine is that first do no harm. And we are creating harm, and we're creating a population really of diseased. And and children are dying from these injections. So it's it's a grave concern I have.

Unknown Speaker  22:00  
Yeah, well put.

Dr. Paul  22:03  
It boggles my mind. As we speak, I think we're pre recording this ahead of time, as we speak, I believe the hcip is is discussing, adding this injection, like you said, we can't even call it a vaccine, it doesn't prevent transmission. It's basically without benefit. And especially in children, at least, it's all harm. And yet, I get the sense they will just rubber stamp this approve it, add it to the childhood immunization schedule. And that way the pharmaceutical industry will be forever protected from liability, all the harm and burden of the damage that this is going to cause falls on you the parents. Right. Right. So you know, the emergency use authorization gives them

Monique Robles, MD  22:54  
liability protection. But once it's on the immunization schedule, you're right, Paul, that's that's is a stamp that we can move forward. And we will continue to profit off of this and we won't be held accountable. And that's nowhere in medicine. Should we allow harm, and then no accountability.

Dr. Paul  23:23  
So as an ethicist, what can we do? Because we pediatricians have been silent too long, on this very issue that these medical products are forced on our children

with no liability and no recourse in fact, if you have a damaged vaccine injured child, even if it might just be a vaccine injury, right? Sometimes you don't know. But your child was what one way totally fine. And then after the series of vaccines or this vaccine there, they're not fine. Pediatrics, pediatricians, we got to wake up

Monique Robles, MD  23:59  
there, you know, and I think there are many waking up. The concern is just is we're hard to find because we're being censored

and silenced. And so that's why it's important to have these voices through the Children's Health defense.

Through your show through organizations, like I said, with truth for health, it's important because these really are at the heart of taking care of humanity, and what needs to be done. So how is your career changed? Have you had any changes from when you were hospitalists working in the ICU? Oh, yeah. So so my position was terminated. Because I didn't receive one of these injections. So it has it had I've had to pivot into these advocacy roles.

I'm a to be a voice. Not at the bedside right now. But a voice in the bigger picture of, of really so many of these attacks that we're talking about. Yeah. So you your career got derailed? Have you been challenged with regards to your license? Not yet. Okay, good. I'd say Not yet.

And hopefully not as it shouldn't, it shouldn't be an issue. I've never had any malpractice or any.

My license is clean, like my career has been clean. Because I, I take care of my patients. Yep. Yeah, I had a similar track record. But I, I'm in a state where

Dr. Paul  25:48  
that didn't seem to matter.

And I'm a little too vocal, I was speaking out in front of the steps of the Capitol and things like that. And

Monique Robles, MD  25:58  
but that's a concern, because then it's, then we're going into constitutional rights.

Unknown Speaker  26:05  
Yep.

Dr. Paul  26:07  
So one of the one of the areas that I think parents have a really tough time is the legal side, once the system has come down upon them, let's just say it could be Child Protective Services overreach, or it could be

they're somehow in trouble with a custody issue where one parent has custody and wants medical freedom to maybe let's say, not do a vaccine, and then the other parent

sort of gets the upper hands just simply because they they're going to follow the CDC schedule. And this gives them power, because that's the, quote, right way to do things.

Monique Robles, MD  26:48  
I understand you're, you're now able to be a medical expert. Witness? i Yes. i started, at least putting myself out there. On a couple of cases, I did do some did write some medical experts statements, for even international courts on some bioethics, bioethics issues. But of recent, yes. Including custody cases where one parent wants an injection, another parent does not. And to be a voice for the child. Most, especially when I know and we all we know, the risk and no benefit from these current injections. Yeah.

Dr. Paul  27:43  
Thank you, by the way for doing that, that is

a big void. It's just so easy to go out and find 1000 pediatricians who will just say the party line vaccines are safe and effective. If you don't do them all, you're a bad parent. And as you point out, it's it's so much more complicated than that. So we desperately need people like you

Monique Robles, MD  28:06  
willing to step into that spot and speak out for the children. We are you're right, we're advocates for the kids. And, Paul, it's interesting that you say that, because you're right. So many will say the party line, but the party line doesn't have data doesn't have the data to support. And so that's my hope is to bring evidence, the data that supports the rationale to not inject these children, and it's it's out there.

Dr. Paul  28:37  
But the mainstream media doesn't want it to be out there. And so they won't put it out there. Yeah, you're speaking to the fact that there are over I think it's now over 13. Now, 1300 reports in the peer reviewed literature, folks, this is the gold standard, supposedly, which is not as good as you think it is. But there are that many over 1000 reports of harm published in in the top journals coming from the just the COVID jab.

But what the other side does is, you know, is the tobacco science sort of approach and farmers, especially around vaccines, but they've done it for almost all medications, they just dump out massive amounts of poorly done studies that show whatever they want to show, and they fund it, they publish it, and then you go to court and the other side pulls up, you know, 10,000 studies, and you only have 1000, or in the early days, we had very few because it was a brand new thing. Right? And it's and I think the difficulty comes in trying to refute all of that garbage. Right. I mean, that's what it essentially comes down to.

Monique Robles, MD  29:54  
Especially when it goes along with like you said, what's what the party line is?

Dr. Paul  30:01  
Yeah, absolutely. Tell me a little more about the truth for Health Foundation. I think you guys are launching a pediatric report and as part of the whistleblowers initiative, yes, you got it. So Dr. Vleet, had, she has a her own station or own our recording with America out loud.

Monique Robles, MD  30:22  
And there was a need for the noon hour, Monday through Friday. So she developed the series is called the whistleblower report, and really looks at all of the

problems that are occurring, whether it be a medicine or military

government, that that we need to be aware of, that are happening. And one of those is the pediatric report, where we are showcasing really what's happening inside pediatrics, and particularly these attacks that are happening on children, and allowing parents to hear this, to give them information so that they're empowered

Dr. Paul  31:16  
and knowledgeable, so that they can move forward and make the best decisions for their children. We want to provide that evidence and support. Absolutely. So people can go to America out loud and noon hour Monday through Friday. It sounds like this is a a important place to get good information. Right. That's the whistleblower report. And there will be different report each of those days, but we're trying to have our voice weekly on one of those hours. So fantastic. Good for you. So I think for you if I'm not mistaken COVID was the real wake up call. Is that true? When it comes to questioning a vaccine? Suppose it vaccine? Yes, yeah.

Monique Robles, MD  32:01  
How did you end up getting the vaccine yourself? No, you said you didn't? How about other family members of yours? My No, I we're not we're I advised. And my parents, rightfully so. And I advised people not to, not to get it. And

thankfully, there was a you know, there was some listening.

Dr. Paul  32:25  
So I'm going to share a funny story based on just you and I in that situation. So I go to my parents. And I tell him, mom, dad, this one, this is not a good vaccine, you really need to stay away from it. They got it anyway. And

as now they're not getting the boosters. So I finally got through. But when it was early on like that, and they're living in retirement communities, and they're here, they watch the news faithfully, you know, CNN and all of it, right?

Liberal Democratic background, so they don't get another perspective. And I come from that background. So if you if that was our background, we buy in that these news agencies are telling the truth. In fact, my mom even said to me, Well, Paul, how can you be right? When you're the only one? Nobody else is thinking the way you are? And the first time she asked me, I was just like, really, you've been with me this whole journey. I've been like two decades talking about, you know, vaccine risks, and this is what I live. And, and that's what you think. But you know, you can't be a prophet in your own land, I guess.

Monique Robles, MD  33:37  
That's well said. That's well said.

Dr. Paul  33:41  
And to think that you would advise anything, but the best for your parents. Right, right. But you see, because you are pro vaccine, we could say, right? I mean, you you've been supporting the the entire childhood schedule

it for you to question it, your parents had to go, oh, my gosh, you know, something's going on here. I'm always questioning everything. So they're like, Ah, here he goes again.

Monique Robles, MD  34:06  
But you know, once you start, once you start bringing up the points of why, and having those conversations, then obviously, you have to bring it to a level where other individuals not in medicine can understand. But having those conversations is so important. Right? It's communication. It's dialogue. That's that's the foundation for for any good relationship. Absolutely. And I'm probably not the master communicator. Actually, I know I'm not.

Dr. Paul  34:41  
So then I have to ask you, if you questioned COVID vaccines, vaccines, have you now decided you might want to take a look at the rest of the vaccine schedule. But of course, of course, I think you begin once you

Monique Robles, MD  35:00  
Once you see what has happened with the coercion of these mRNA injections, it does so many, if you critically think about, well, if this one occurred like this, we'll have any of the others occurred or had similar backgrounds. And so when you start digging into the censored

data and the censored papers and the censored

documentaries and the censored information,

yeah, things that you were that I was never aware of. But now that I look for it, and when I find it, I my jaw drops, it drops. And so it begins. Yes, I begin to think, what is necessary and what is not necessary? What's proportional and what's not proportional.

In these vaccines, what do you think?

So you begin to think, you know, we can go back to when we were kids, right? Yeah, we get hepatitis B shots when we were children. No. Do we get chickenpox shots when we are kids? No, I remember clearly having chickenpox. You know, the lesions even in my ears. It was just, it was a pretty significant case. Yeah, I didn't get the MMR. I'm that old lever. You know, we were the better for it. We have, we have great. I mean, I feel like we have great immunity. But I and I begin to think now.

When I was a child, did I see a lot of kids with who needed epi pens, and with allergies and inhalers?

I don't recall in Exuma, and every other kid Yes, yes. Yes. So, I mean, I just my experience, this is what I was talking about earlier, your experience plays in to your decision making, right.

So there's a lot of a lot of the injections that I

beginning to look at. And like I said, What is what is necessary? And what is not? Yeah.

Dr. Paul  37:22  
I like what you pointed out that you need to start looking at what's been censored, because I'll tell you an interesting story. It was 2001. I had just read the Wakefield paper on the measles and autism possible, lanky. That's all he said, there might be a link, and I thought, hmm, link between vaccines and some major problem. I was like, really. And there was an organization back then called defeat Autism NOW. And they were putting on incredible medical conferences. I had just heard of them through the pediatric journals that were just trashing this organization. You know, they need to be stopped. They're spreading misinformation. And they I don't know if they use that term back then, but basically highly discouraging any involvement by a member of the Academy of Pediatrics with this rogue group of doctors, while an attorney mom in my practice, in 2002, says, Dr. Paul, would you go check out this damn movement? I think my boys are slightly on the spectrum and her boys were if they were on the spectrum, it was mild ADHD, you know, I mean, they were brilliant doing well in school, social, but I thought I really respected her. She was married to an attorney. One of them was soon to become the District Attorney for the area. I mean, sharp, sharp couple. I said alright, I'll go check it out for you. Because I've seriously all I had read was in our pediatric journals.

My jaw dropped. I had goosebumps I had tears once one lunch they presented just before and afters of kids becoming autistic, when you see a whole bunch of those in a row.

Unless you're heartless, I don't know how you can deal with that. Right? Right. So woke me up because the here's this rogue organization you're not supposed to look at. And when you do, oh my word. I never went to another AP meeting in my life. There was no need to go to the AP and I could get some pharma funded presentations or I could go to real conferences and get amazing information. I'm not saying everything at the AP is bad. And I'm definitely not saying that pediatricians are not good people. I think we go into pediatrics as we love children. We have great big hearts. But

you know, you're an ethicist. You're a mom, you're a pediatrician.

Monique Robles, MD  39:40  
I'm still struggling with how to reach our peers. Right? Right. You bring up a good point, it's, it's it goes back to having the conversation and if someone is unwilling to have the conversation,

then then that's then that's when you

Dr. Paul  40:00  
You shake the sand off your sandals and you keep going, right? You can't unknow what you know, and you can't unsee what you've seen. And actually, for me, it was parents who first came to me and said, you know, Dr. Paul, Could you look into this? I think there's something going on. For example, with a kid becoming autistic after a series of vaccines, sometimes it was immediate. And it sure felt like, wow, that's a coincidence, you know, very first time. And then for me, it happened four years in a row. And it was like, Okay, that was the last straw. Shame on me that it took that long to wake up. And I was just recently interviewing somebody else who, who made a very, very important point that just sort of hit me has. That's it. So the association is not causation. Right? This is the the thing that gets us our Achilles heel, if you will. Well, he was talking about some Israeli data and the COVID stuff, and made the comment that if, if you give a product in this case, let's talk about a vaccine. And a patient regresses or gets worse. And then over time, they get better. And then you give that product again, and they get even worse. That's proof of causation. And it was like this, aha, because that's what I've been seeing over and over my whole career. I, since I started my integrative pediatric practice, when I left the mainstream group, we had first do no harm safe passage in a changing world, these were our mottos. And if you see a delay developing in a kid, or you see any kind of regression, stop all vaccines at that point, that was sort of our guiding principle, and honoring informed consent. And so what would happen is we saw so many kids who were just slipping into what looked like it would be developmental delays or autism get better. And then too many times they ended up thinking, Oh, my kids, okay, now we can do the vaccines, they would give another one, then they'd be full blown out autism. I mean, if that wasn't proof enough of causation, I don't know what it is. It's interesting. But what it requires, Paul, is, is humility, right? We don't come out, or we shouldn't come out a medical school and after all our training, and think we know everything.

Monique Robles, MD  42:22  
And so and that we know, what is always best for the child. And in our, our thinking, our decision making should override the parent. Parents are astute, especially moms. And so I think we've talked about this before, but you have a mom that says something. And it's, you know, maybe, oh, no, it's brushed off or something else, and she comes back.

You don't brush it off. There's a reason she's back. Because something is not right. And you haven't done your due diligence to figure it out. You hit me with humility. I had a good friend,

Dr. Paul  43:03  
coach, personal coach, who I had. I mean, I've had enough humility along the way to listen, but sometimes I had to be hit upside the head a few times.

We all do. And, you know, it was it was on the tail of just I mean, I'm just like, racing around pediatric rooms. And just, I've got a bunch of nurse practitioners who consult with me all day long. I mean, I'm starting to think I'm really all that right. And so losing my license was actually the best thing that happened. Because not only did that just bam, out of the blue, I mean, I was dealing with board stuff, but I was always okay, because they really didn't have anything. And my coach just basically drove home that point about letting ego go, and just listening to your soul. And being humble, right? And that in that space, everything beautiful happens. I, I feel you and I love your soft way.

It's really, really powerful. I want you to close out with a message to parents today.

Monique Robles, MD  44:10  
In whatever way you wish. Thank you, Paul. That that's a beautiful example. I

I find that when we are when we are humble, that we have a greater art our we have a greater capacity and listen, our heart is more compassionate. And

we're able to understand more clearly right?

And so and I just want to say that no matter what a board takes away, they'll never take away your professionalism as a doctor, they can't take away the Euro physician. They'll never take that away. You know, so they just there's just some things that cannot be done.

So I do want to close with telling parents that

fight for your children. There are many of us out there, you can find us. We've talked about where you can find this. And we we are working hard to to bring the ethics and art of medicine back.

And so we're with you in this fight.

And so, yeah.

Dr. Paul  45:30  
And then I'm going to challenge you for one last thing. Be specific, you have a patient sitting in front of you, or it's a close friend, and they have a little baby or a preschooler or a school aged kid. And the COVID vaccine just got authorized. They're excited. They want to they want to go get it, because finally I can go, now I can protect my infant. What do you tell them?

Monique Robles, MD  45:57  
No. But you know, we you it's, it's how you tell them? That's how you tell them? First you ask, Well, what do you think the benefits are going to be from this injection, and let them talk, let them tell you so that they give you all of their rationale. And then you bring in all the counterpoints and all the harms, and that it would be in the best interest of, of the child. And that's that, and you say that that's my responsibility is the best interest of your child.

Unknown Speaker  46:34  
Hmm.

Unknown Speaker  46:35  
I like that.

Dr. Paul  46:38  
There you have it, folks. I feel like what we need more of is how to talk to each other. And what you just illustrated there is we need to ask questions, and have an open heart. And then if there's a willingness for them to hear what you feel might be in the best interest of kids. You know, that's the hard part is sometimes people closed down when you start sharing that information. And I don't know if you have a, an approach to when that happens. I think it seems like that when they close down that just allowing them to talk, I feel I feel that sometimes we as physicians don't listen enough. And that's when we miss things. So

Monique Robles, MD  47:25  
that's, that's a simple advice. But I think it's a it's it's a great advice.

Dr. Paul  47:31  
Fantastic.

Monique Robles, MD  47:33  
Well, Dr. Monique Robles, thank you so much. Thank you, Paul, remind people where they can go read your writings and how they can support this medical Freedom Movement. Right. So my website is WWE dot human dignity speaks.com, where I put in all these post on just Bioethical Issues in medicine, more specifically, as related to children and adolescents. And another place please visit is WW dot truth for health.org As we're fighting for your medical freedom, and the rights of humanity.

Dr. Paul  48:20  
Thank you

Welcome Bernadette back to against the wind. It's so great to have you back. Oh, I'm always so pleased to be here with you, Dr. Paul. And I want to tell you, I was at a meeting last night and there was love set around your name, you're, you're a hero to many I know you don't feel like a hero. But you're standing up and speaking out in a very difficult time and everybody is grateful even over here in the great state of Tennessee. Well, thank you. And folks, if you don't know Bernadette has moved from Washington State of Washington to Tennessee, where she's involved in many different organizations fighting for medical freedom and freedom in general. And you are still the host of an informed life radio, Public Policy Director of informed choice Washington where I know you're very active. And today I'm excited. The elections are over now. And I know folks, there's always disappointment after elections and some people are happy about certain things and some people are sad about other things. But what do we do now, Bernadette? What do we do now? This is really big. There has never been a more important time to figure out what to do when the elections are over. So no matter the outcome, what do you do? You are gonna get meetings with your state and local elected officials. Some of you have never ever done this before. I'm telling you, it's time to to stand up and do it. Grab somebody grab a friend so that you have the courage. These are just people once you get to know them. You'll wonder why you were ever nervous. I started off being nervous. But eventually you got to the point where these are just people you develop relationships with. How do you do that? You email or

Bernadette Pajer  50:00  
or, and or telephone their offices and find out how to set an appointment say I want an appointment before session starts, because you need to establish this relationship. Now, the newly elected who've never been in office before can be kind of harder to find because their, their official addresses aren't always available until the beginning of when they take office. But you can usually reach out through their candidate pages that are still active in their emails and phones still work. This is your goal, you want to ask them their stance on issues that are very important to you. Listen to their response, this is probably the hardest thing, you don't want to open the floodgates, you want to have a conversation, listen to what they say, take notes, explain your concerns and earnestly listen to their response. And then at the end of the meeting, ask for something specific, something like please support legislation, this session that protects medical freedom, right? And then thank them. That's all you're going to do for now. And then as session moves in, you're going to have this relationship set up and you become more and more specific. Always having that listening component, because you're developing this professional relationship. Now, why?

Why do you want to do this? You want to do this with your friendly officials? And people say, Well, I don't need to contact my friendly official, they already stand with me. Or I'm afraid to go to my unfriendly officials, they don't, you know, why do you need to do this with all of them? Why do you think Dr. Paul, what's the number one reason you need to do this? Well,

you need it. If you're going to have any influence whatsoever, you need a relationship. That's it. That's it. And I'm going to tell you really powerfully why because every week if not every single day, this is in these people that I'm going to show you are in the offices,

lobbyists, there are and show you something a little bit. There are literally 1000s of lobbyists in every single state who are paid to show up every day, walk the halls, shake hands, ask how your kids are doing have muffin day and give free muffins. They establish relationships, they're bringing the data from their side of the topic every week, every day the loggers compete with that hard to compete with that. And then these guys, these are your Medical Association's there, they put on their white coats and the doctors have a Day on the Hill and the nurses have a Day on the Hill. And these associations are all pro vaccine pro forma pro hospital establishment, the things we're trying to reform. These aren't bad people. These are people caught up in a bad system. And they are saying the opposite of what we know to be truth, in fact, but even they are not our worst adversary. Our worst adversary. Dr. Paul's right here. And I'm using Washington State as an example is your own department of health, your taxpayer funded employees who are pure CDC propaganda, and what they will do so this we've got a Secretary of Health and Chief Science Officer, Chief prevention chief of policy chief of partnerships, Chief of resilience, Chief of public affairs, and I left off so many other employees head of the immunization department, you know, all these other things that work daily to try to push CDC messaging.

And they can get hour long meetings, they can get dinner appointments, they can get work sessions, it's really difficult when session starts, we get three minutes of public comment or a 10 minute office visit if you can squeeze in their schedule, these individuals are in and out of the office because their public health right.

So it is a well oiled machine, isn't it? It is so if they don't hear from us moms and dads citizens regularly the only information they're going to find out about pharmaceutical products. And that's of course, what we focus on is the vaccines and COVID shots. The only information they're going to get is from lobbyists, medical professionals, and corporate captured public health officials. So your voice is essential. And it really is important. And I want to stop share. I wanted to give my own little examples in about 2016 When I began to attend board of health and Department of Health type meetings, I would go on I would often be the only public citizen watching the meetings and I would look to the left and look to the right here are these well dressed 20 something 30 Something professionals they were all lobbyists they were or they were like pharmaceutical reps. And during the break you'd say oh hey how you doing Johnny? Oh, unders great Harry, how you doing? They knew each other they had relationships. Right? It

It was very, very cozy. And then I would go to Olympia at the Capitol in Washington State. And I'd be heading toward legislators office with my printed out PubMed studies about the dangers of this or that and I'd see outside the hall.

That's the Merck rep. That's the Pfizer rep that I saw at the Department of Health meeting, right. And I really realized how everywhere I went, I saw a lot of those and very few of me. Yep, we need to flip that. There's more of us than of them. Let's get seen and heard. That is so important. And then so I have one more thing to share with you. I wanted to share with you. I was shocked to find this out really the money involved. So every state has some place where lobbyists are required to record what their their name and who they're working for. So I just looked in Washington State at their lobby list. I looked for loving client Pfizer, and I found a woman named Amy brackenbury. Okay, so I decided, so I clicked on her. Here we go. And there's there's a picture, pretty young woman, and then I went down to see what the heck she was doing when the shots first came out. Because I was curious, I figured that was be when she would be most active. So I think it was like, February of 2021. Why am I not seeing that? September? Let's go to September. That's close enough.

Let's see what we have here is fine. There's Pfizer $5,000. In one month that she was given September of 2021. They gave this woman $5,000 to promote Pfizer products in Washington State at the Capitol. She also got 7000 from the Washington State Society, the anesthesiologist, 2500 from Washington, Washington School counselors. It's funny that the beer and wine distributors are on here. I guess they wanted to make sure they kept the doors open. As churches were closed the beer and wine distributors wanted to keep kept open. We've got vertex pharmaceuticals. I don't know who they are. AstraZeneca she's got a zero though. But apparently she was working for them at some point. It's almost $40,000 in one month. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And and when you go through, it is so shocking to see how much lobbyists make if they if they have several clients, I tell you, we're in the wrong position. How do we get people to pay us 5000 a month to go tell the truth to because we do it for free? We pay for the gas we pay for our own hotels, you know, Mama bears and Papa bears. We pay all out of pocket to do this. Yeah. But thanks for exposing this. I don't think I realized, and I now better understand why when I've tried to go and meet with my senator representative. It's been very difficult to even get an appointment. And no wonder they are consumed by big money, lobbyists and all these inside connections.

You got our work cut out for ourselves, folks. Thank you, Bernadette for bringing that to our attention. You're welcome. And one more little example I wanted to give you is we had some concerns. I apologize. I don't remember the specific but it was vaccine related pre COVID. And we had a legislator who was very interested, you looked in UI and you got that sparkle, that back and forth connection we're connecting. He's looking at the data, the published studies that we have given him, he's voicing concerns, great meeting, the next time I saw this legislator, and I went up to him about this very same subject. He was standoffish his eyes had that look of I'm not going to connect with you. And he said, Well, you know, I met this summer with the American Academy of Pediatrics doctors. And so you know, I feel I I'm feeling pretty good about this decision of what's going on over here, which is not what we wanted. Right? So in that intervening time between when I had seen him, that Association had convinced him to not listen to me. It just shut me down. That can happen if you're not there regularly. Yeah, no, absolutely.

Dr. Paul  59:11  
Lot of captured agencies and

public health offices, etc. Yes, folks, take Bernadette's advice, go get a establish relationship. If you've got the time and the desire. This is what we need. We need 1000s of us hundreds of 1000s of us descending on our state capitals around the country. And let's get the truth out there. Exactly. Thank you Dr. Paul. Thanks Bernadette.

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