With the Wind with Dr. Paul Show #199 — Pediatric Perspectives: Risking Everything with Suzanne Humphries, M.D.
 
Host: Dr. Paul Thomas
Guest: Suzanne Humphries, M.D. (board-certified internist and nephrologist)
Series: Pediatric Perspectives
Length: Approximately 25 minutes
 
SummaryIn this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Dr. Paul Thomas is joined by Suzanne Humphries, M.D., board-certified internist and nephrologist, and co-author of Dissolving Illusions. The conversation covers Dr. Humphries’ path from conventional hospital medicine to vaccine safety advocacy, her observations about the health of unvaccinated children, her perspectives on the relationship between immune function and childhood illness, and her views on which vaccines she considers most and least defensible from a biological standpoint.
 
The discussion is grounded in Dr. Humphries’ clinical background and her research into vaccine history and immunology. Dr. Paul shares observations from his own practice, including his experience with families who reported regression following vaccination. The conversation is educational and experiential in nature, framed around informed decision-making and parental awareness.
 
Key Points

• 1:35 — Opening and guest introduction. Dr. Paul welcomes Dr. Suzanne Humphries back to the show and acknowledges her work, including her book Dissolving Illusions and her participation in the Vaxxed bus tour.
• 2:00 — The Vaxxed bus. Dr. Humphries describes how she joined the Vaxxed bus tour in late 2016, initially for a short stint before returning for a longer period. She clarifies her independent role — she was not involved in the film or the original bus initiative, which was driven by Polly’s personal story.
• 3:37 — Hearing vaccine injury stories firsthand. Dr. Paul shares that for years he was receiving three to five new families per week — families who had been dismissed from other practices — and describes sitting with parents who recounted watching their children regress after vaccination. Dr. Humphries reflects on what she witnessed on the bus: the emotional toll on families, the dissolution of marriages, and grandparents taking on caregiving roles for older, severely affected grandchildren.
• 6:36 — Colleagues who dismiss vaccine injury concerns. Dr. Paul asks about how to reach physicians who maintain that vaccines are safe and effective. Dr. Humphries is direct: she has largely given up trying to persuade colleagues and focuses instead on educating parents. She discusses the financial pressure, institutional opposition, and organized efforts to discredit dissenting physicians that make it difficult for doctors to speak openly — including the risk of having moles sent into their practices and coordinated efforts to bring them down.
• 10:10 — Health of unvaccinated children. Dr. Humphries describes what she considers the baseline health advantage of unvaccinated children, characterizing it as “normal” rather than exceptional. She notes that unvaccinated children are not immune to other health challenges — diet, toxic exposures, and lifestyle still matter — and that vaccine avoidance alone, without broader health awareness, is not sufficient.
• 11:31 — Childhood cancer and immune function. Dr. Paul asks about the relationship between vaccines and the rise in childhood cancer. Dr. Humphries draws on her observations from when she was leaving Maine — noting the opening of a large children’s cancer institute in Bangor — and discusses how vaccine ingredients such as animal DNA, viruses, and retroviruses may interact with overall immune function in ways that have not been adequately characterized, creating conditions she views as a setup for problems including cancer.
• 14:31 — Which vaccines she considers most and least defensible. Dr. Humphries works through the schedule vaccine by vaccine. She calls for ending all pregnancy vaccines outright and the hepatitis B vaccine at birth, noting neither produces herd immunity. She calls for stopping flu shots and Covid shots on the same basis. She describes the mumps vaccine as ineffective from the start and notes that Merck falsified efficacy studies. She argues the tetanus vaccine should be elective and given only when a child is older — not to newborns or infants. She identifies Gardasil/HPV vaccines as a priority for immediate discontinuation based on the injury profile she has observed. She explains the IgG4 mechanism behind pertussis vaccine failure in repeatedly vaccinated children and adults. She acknowledges that viral vaccines — particularly measles — present a more complex picture, in part because widespread vaccination has interrupted the natural maternal immunity pathways that previously protected infants through the placenta and breast milk, and that vaccine-driven changes to population immunity have contributed to the resurgences now being observed.
• 19:27 — Dr. Humphries’ personal position and its limits. She identifies herself as fully opposed to vaccination and explains the reasoning based on immunology, clinical experience, and available vaccinated/unvaccinated comparison data. She is also candid that not all parents or physicians are at the same point, and that she continues to see patients affected by vaccines and works to address those consequences.
• 22:14 — What would happen if vaccination rates declined significantly. Both Dr. Paul and Dr. Humphries acknowledge this is a theoretical discussion. Dr. Humphries notes that vaccine manufacturers and the broader medical system have strong incentives to prevent a significant decline in uptake, and that the protective structure around vaccination programs has strengthened over time rather than weakened.
• 23:00 — Where health actually comes from. Dr. Humphries shares her view on foundational health: good nutrition, hydration, sun exposure, and minimizing pharmaceutical intervention. Drawing on her nephrology background, she discusses the role of minerals and hydration in immune and electrical function, and the trade-offs many families make in the course of modern life.
• 24:44 — Closing and preview. Dr. Paul thanks Dr. Humphries and previews a follow-up episode focused on natural approaches to managing illness, including scenarios where a vaccine-preventable disease does occur.

 
Verbatim Quote“The non-vaccinated children and infants have an absolute edge on their health… because they’re normal. That’s what it’s supposed to look like.”
— Suzanne Humphries, M.D.
 
Resources & LinksDissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History
https://dissolvingillusions.com/
 
Dr. Suzanne Humphries, M.D. — Official Website
https://drsuzanne.net/
 
Vax Facts by Dr. Paul Thomas and DeeDee Hoover
https://vaxfactsbook.com
 
Kids First 4Ever
https://kidsfirst4ever.com
 
Doctors and Science
https://doctorsandscience.com
 
DisclaimerThe information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.
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In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, I'm joined by Suzanne Humphries, M.D. — board-certified internist and nephrologist, and co-author of Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History. Dr. Humphries has spent years studying vaccine history, immunology, and the clinical record, and like me, she's made professional choices that have come at a cost. This is one of the most substantive conversations I've had on this show.

In this episode, we cover:

• What Dr. Humphries witnessed firsthand on the Vaxxed bus tour — and why it changed her perspective on childhood vaccine injury
• Why she has largely stopped trying to reach skeptical colleagues, and what she believes actually works instead
• What the health of unvaccinated children actually looks like — and why "normal" is the right word
• The vaccine schedule examined one by one: which she considers biologically indefensible, which present genuine complexity, and why
• What foundational health actually requires, from a nephrologist's perspective

Dr. Humphries joined the Vaxxed bus tour at the end of 2016. She had no involvement in the film or the founding of the initiative — that grew out of Polly's personal story. What she encountered on the bus were families showing videos of healthy, engaged children, and then the shots, and then a child who was no longer there in the same way. Marriages that didn't survive. Grandparents following grown boys they had minimum control over. She eventually had to step outside and stand with the families waiting in line rather than stay inside for the interviews.

I have sat across from enough of those families in my own practice — three to five new ones a week for years — to understand exactly what she means. You cannot unsee what you see.

Dr. Humphries worked through the schedule directly, and I want to represent what she said accurately:

She calls for ending all pregnancy vaccines outright, hepatitis B at birth, flu shots, and Covid shots — none of which, she argues, produce meaningful herd or personal immunity. She describes the mumps vaccine as one that should never have been created, noting that Merck has faced serious accusations of falsifying its efficacy studies. The tetanus vaccine, she says, should be elective and age-appropriate — not given to newborns or infants. Gardasil/HPV vaccines she wants stopped immediately, citing a significant injury profile she has observed. On pertussis, she explains the IgG4 mechanism: repeated vaccination produces immune tolerance, which is why we see so much pertussis circulating in older vaccinated children and adults. Measles she acknowledges as the most complicated case — vaccination has disrupted the natural maternal immunity that previously protected infants through the placenta and breast milk, and the generation with genuine immune memory is aging out. She views that as a problem created by the program, not a justification for continuing it.

​I also asked about something I've observed over the course of my career: the apparent rise in childhood cancer. Dr. Humphries was careful not to overstate what the data shows — she acknowledged she can't offer precise statistics — but drew on something she witnessed directly: when she was leaving Bangor, Maine, a large, well-funded children's cancer institute had just opened that wasn't there at the start of her career. Her concern is that vaccine ingredients including animal DNA, viruses, and retroviruses — many not fully characterized — may interact with immune function in ways that demand better research. The vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies, she believes, would bring these patterns into clearer focus.

​Drawing on her nephrology background, Dr. Humphries is direct about where foundational health actually comes from: good nutrition, adequate hydration, sunlight, and minimal pharmaceutical intervention. Hydration in particular — most people are chronically dehydrated, and the mineral and electrical balance the immune system depends on requires it. These are not radical ideas. They are basics that a medical culture organized around intervention has largely displaced.

​In this episode of With the Wind with Dr. Paul, Paul Thomas, M.D. is joined by Suzanne Humphries, M.D. for a detailed discussion on institutional medicine, vaccine policy, and how standardized protocols can override individualized clinical judgment.

​Dr. Humphries, a former hospital-based internist and nephrologist, explains how her questions about vaccination practices emerged not from ideology, but from years of direct clinical experience. As she recounts, her concerns developed gradually as she observed how policy-driven systems increasingly replaced physician discretion in inpatient care.

​Suzanne Humphries, M.D. is a favorite of the health freedom community and has been for a long time. She remains an unwavering voice of truth — even when the powers that be try to shut her down. Her medical research and direct work with patients has provided her with invaluable knowledge and timeless wisdom. Today, join Dr. Humphries and host Paul Thomas, M.D. (retired) for another insightful installment of “Pediatric Perspectives.” Tune in!

With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 198 Pediatric Perspectives: Vaccine Zealotry: Don’t Fear Disease with Suzanne Humphries, M.D.
Host: Dr. Paul Thomas
Guest: Suzanne Humphries, M.D.
Series: Pediatric Perspectives
Length: Approximately 45 minutes

Summary
In this episode of Pediatric Perspectives, Dr. Paul is joined by Suzanne Humphries, M.D. for a detailed discussion on how modern medical systems prioritize policy and protocol over individualized clinical judgment.
Dr. Humphries recounts her experiences in internal medicine and nephrology that led her to question hospital vaccination practices, standing orders, and the absence of informed consent in inpatient settings. She explains how these experiences ultimately pushed her out of mainstream medicine and into independent research and public education.
Drawing on the historical analysis behind Dissolving Illusions (https://dissolvingillusions.com/), the conversation explores the difference between disease incidence and mortality, the role of fear in public health messaging, and why questioning medical orthodoxy often comes at a professional cost. Dr. Paul adds parallel observations from pediatrics and newborn care, highlighting similar systemic pressures.

Key Points (with timestamps)

• 01:45 — Dr. Humphries clarifies her medical training and board certification history
• 03:50 — Why questioning vaccine practices became unavoidable in her clinical work
• 07:00 — Corporate medicine, dialysis systems, and loss of physician autonomy
• 10:30 — Early personal experiences that raised questions about vaccination
• 12:20 — Observations of unvaccinated children and immune responses
• 15:00 — Taking vaccine histories in adult inpatient care and what she found
• 18:40 — Pharmacy-driven vaccination and hospital standing orders
• 22:30 — Core findings from Dissolving Illusions: death rates vs. disease rates
• 27:00 — Fear of disease and its impact on medical decision-making
• 31:30 — Parallels between adult inpatient care and newborn vaccination practices
• 36:00 — Responsibility, informed consent, and deciding for one’s own family

Verbatim Quote
“Because once you see a problem as big as the vaccination issue, then you start just asking a whole bunch of questions around that.”
— Suzanne Humphries, M.D.

Resources

• Suzanne Humphries, M.D. — Official Website
  https://drsuzanne.net/
• Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History
  https://dissolvingillusions.com/
• Dr. Suzanne Humphries on X (formerly Twitter)
  https://x.com/DrSuzanneH7

Disclaimer
The information shared in this episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. It does not establish a doctor–patient relationship. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional regarding medical decisions.