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​20250806-Show181-PP-Addressing Autism with James Neuenschwander M.D
 
With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 181: Pediatric Perspectives: Addressing Autism with James Neuenschwander M.D
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• James Neuenschwander M.D.: 70.9%

 
 
00:00:40:28 - 00:01:05:39
Dr. Paul
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Dr. Paul
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00:01:35:14 - 00:01:56:37
Dr. Paul
Good morning kid. Welcome to Pediatric Perspectives, where we're taking a look at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking. One that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. Today's episode is one that I know you are going to love, because we are welcoming for this show for the first time. Doctor. New. Doctor new.
 
00:01:56:38 - 00:02:21:46
Dr. Paul
Thank you for joining us. You are the president of Maps, which is Medical Academy of Pediatrics special Needs. And I have attended lectures of yours at maps. And you are attending one of your lectures is like drinking from a firehose. So you are the most brilliant, educator I've ever known. And so thank you for for that gift you give to the world.
 
00:02:21:46 - 00:02:24:27
Dr. Paul
But you're also in practice, still seeing patients?
 
00:02:24:32 - 00:02:25:19
James Neuenschwander M.D
Yes.
 
00:02:25:24 - 00:02:42:25
Dr. Paul
So. Wow. Thank you for cutting out some time for us. This episode we are going to focus on preventing autism, which is dear to my heart, and also how to treat those who are struggling. How many people children do you think you've cared for? Roughly rough. Guess who have had autism?
 
00:02:42:30 - 00:03:05:08
James Neuenschwander M.D
Yeah, I bet that's a hard number to figure out. About 30% of my practices is pediatrics, and most of those are kids on the spectrum. And, you know, I probably see, 1 or 2 new, new patients every week since 2007, 2008. So, you know, if you do the math, it's it's, well into the high hundreds, maybe over a thousand patients with autism specifically.
 
00:03:05:13 - 00:03:24:52
Dr. Paul
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I used to do that, but not nearly as effectively as you do. I'm now retired, folks, so most of you know that who are watching this show. I felt like we were able to make a difference in most children's lives. What's your experience? Just as far as, you know, outcomes you're getting.
 
00:03:24:52 - 00:03:56:05
James Neuenschwander M.D
The, idea of success has changed over time. I mean, with the advent of spelling and being able to communicate better with kids with pretty severe autism, you find out that things you've done that you didn't think made a difference actually help them regulate their body better. But you know, my my numbers are always and they change over time because I think it's more severe now than it was when we first started seeing kids with autism and treating kids bio medically with autism in the early 2000.
 
00:03:56:20 - 00:04:18:10
James Neuenschwander M.D
I think kids today have a lot more brain inflammation. A they're a lot more severe. But, you know, I used to say that that there is a chunk of kids, maybe 30 or 40% of kids, that if you can get them early enough, you can actually, you know, I don't know what you want to call it. Get them off the spectrum, you know, so that they don't necessarily qualify for the diagnosis.
 
00:04:18:25 - 00:04:39:41
James Neuenschwander M.D
You know, my goal is always can I make them functional? Can they go to school? Can they, you know, have a career and, you know, relationships and all the things that we want in life? And, you know, that's maybe 30% of kids. Then there's a big chunk. And this is almost all the rest of them where you make a difference in their life.
 
00:04:39:50 - 00:05:02:41
James Neuenschwander M.D
Right? So know they may still have a diagnosis of autism. They still still may need assistance. They might need communication devices or, you know, help balancing their checkbook or, you know, stuff like that. But but still, they're much better regulated than, than what they were before. And then there's a small percentage, and it's maybe 10% where I don't seem to make any difference.
 
00:05:02:41 - 00:05:24:50
James Neuenschwander M.D
And I don't know if those are the truly genetic, you know, just an enzyme doesn't work, a pathway doesn't work, and I can't figure out how to change it. You know, again, even with those kids, I can help with their gut function. I can help with bloating. I can help with digestion. I can help with that stuff, even if I can't necessarily help with, you know, the autism itself.
 
00:05:24:59 - 00:05:52:03
Dr. Paul
That matches my experience. Most children treated with biomedical interventions treating autism like it's an actual medical condition involving a lot of systems, right? The gut, the brain, and etc., makes a big difference. So we're going to start with a really I think this is so important because many viewers, maybe they're new parents, maybe they're thinking about becoming a parent.
 
00:05:52:08 - 00:05:59:58
Dr. Paul
And what are some of the solutions you would give to those folks who just want to avoid having a child with autism? How can we prevent it?
 
00:06:00:03 - 00:06:22:48
James Neuenschwander M.D
Well, I think we have enough data now on the maternal environment and the importance of, you know, detoxification, having a clean environment to start out with that, you can do something with a woman before she ever gets pregnant. Like, if somebody shows up in my office and, oh, I have a kid on the spectrum, we know right away they're more likely they have another child on the spectrum.
 
00:06:22:53 - 00:06:42:30
James Neuenschwander M.D
And, what I'm going to do is start saying, okay, give me six months. You know, let's work on detox, let's optimize nutrition, that sort of thing. So we know the the environment in that uterus, the environment that that baby's going to grow up in or develop in is critical. And we need to have the right nutrients. We need to have the methylated B vitamins.
 
00:06:42:30 - 00:07:15:08
James Neuenschwander M.D
We need to have adequate folate. We need to make sure that we don't have an excess of toxins there. And the most important thing is that we have an environment that is not inflammatory, because return IL immune activation. Maternal inflammation is definitely associated with the development of autism. So typically we can take the the mom to be and and work on her environment, help her get a clean diet, detoxify, get rid of all the crappy foods, all the food additives that we stuff into our face every day.
 
00:07:15:19 - 00:07:35:36
James Neuenschwander M.D
Get rid of all the inflammatory things in the environment, get her on the right nutrients. And then when a woman does get pregnant, make sure she's on a good prenatal vitamin, not one you're going to get at, you know, CVS, Walgreens or whatever. You know, if any prenatal vitamin has folic acid in it, they're clueless about nutrition. Don't get that.
 
00:07:35:49 - 00:07:53:19
James Neuenschwander M.D
You know, you need methyl folate. You need methyl B12. You need B6 inactivated form. You need iodine needed vitamin D, all these things are not necessarily in a traditional prenatal, but you can make a huge difference in outcome right from the moment of conception. If you prepare that environment ahead of time.
 
00:07:53:23 - 00:08:17:38
Dr. Paul
Thank you so much for highlighting that. It is so important. Folks, if you're preparing to have a baby, having the right nutrients is is going hardcore organic. I mean, really making sure you're avoiding pesticides and herbicides? And I would add one thing that you know, that inflammation while pregnant is is not something we want immune activation. And the studies are ample many.
 
00:08:17:43 - 00:08:32:50
Dr. Paul
So vaccinating during pregnancy my opinion is activating the immune system. And so that's that's a concern for me. You are purposely, intentionally or knowingly or unknowingly creating immune activation. And that's not good for brain development.
 
00:08:32:58 - 00:08:53:49
James Neuenschwander M.D
I think the biggest problem we have here is that they really won't do the studies that we need because, you know, the argument is always, well, the flu is immune activation and that can create problems during pregnancy. So giving a flu vaccine to prevent the flu is going to be less of a problem, blah blah blah. What we don't know that I mean they won't study the outcome in the children.
 
00:08:53:54 - 00:09:15:26
James Neuenschwander M.D
You know, there is there's many studies on the impact of things like the flu vaccine on pregnancy, you know, early delivery, the head circumference of the baby when they're born, you know, that sort of thing. But there's no data on neurodevelopmental delay. I mean, we have one study at 14 months, but outside of that we don't have the data.
 
00:09:15:26 - 00:09:36:54
James Neuenschwander M.D
And by the way, that one study at 14 months, it was tiny. They couldn't do statistical significance. But all the kids that had concern were in the kids that were mom had been vaccinated. So, you know, we don't have that data to say because in, in, in everything in medicine. And let's take the politics out of vaccination, politics out of, medications, food, all that stuff.
 
00:09:36:59 - 00:09:52:11
James Neuenschwander M.D
Everything in medicine should be risk benefit, right? I mean, you know, this is how we were trained. What's the risk of the intervention that you're going to do versus the risk of doing nothing? And part of the problem with vaccinating during pregnancy, we don't know the risk of the intervention. Correct. That's the great.
 
00:09:52:24 - 00:10:04:13
Dr. Paul
Study vaccines for pregnancy rate. Right. So pregnant pregnant moms are intentionally excluded. It would be unethical. I think, to put them through trials of something that with unknown risks.
 
00:10:04:13 - 00:10:28:25
James Neuenschwander M.D
No, I mean, if you, you know, if you want to take it one step further and really, the only FDA approved vaccine for pregnancy is RSV. You know, prior to the RSV, none of the other vaccines had been approved for pregnancy. They were just added on to the schedule, you know, by, the CDC after the fact, you know, with these studies where, again, they never looked at the outcome for the child.
 
00:10:28:29 - 00:10:34:43
Dr. Paul
Yeah. You know, in RSV, are you satisfied that it was adequately safety testing for pregnant?
 
00:10:34:47 - 00:10:59:43
James Neuenschwander M.D
You've read those studies? For all I know. You read those studies. It's very concerning, about the risk of miscarriage, for pregnant women. I mean, it was pretty clear. You watch the FDA deliberations and you watch the CDC deliberations, and you just go, what planet are you guys from? I mean, like, what kind of bad news do you have to have in order to deny approval of of one of these vaccines?
 
00:10:59:43 - 00:11:00:35
James Neuenschwander M.D
It's just incredible.
 
00:11:00:35 - 00:11:20:07
Dr. Paul
It is incredible. Well, I want to pivot now, I think thank you so much for that succinct, summary for folks who want to have a baby and minimize the risk of autism, I the what you shared is so vital, folks. Don't don't. Just because because you were so quick with it and so accurate and succinct. Don't think that it wasn't important.
 
00:11:20:07 - 00:11:41:47
Dr. Paul
Every single detail you you mentioned is vital. Let's move on now to what you do a lot of and what could take an entire conference. And folks, actually, if you can get there, let me just ask you the Maps conference 2025. That's going to be in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, March 13 to 15. Can parents attend that conference?
 
00:11:41:52 - 00:12:02:52
James Neuenschwander M.D
We really try to restrict it to practitioners. If you have some kind of certificate hanging on your wall and you see kids in your practice and you want to come to maps, we haven't gone that extra step to have a parent conference. We're trying to partner with other organizations rather than trying to reinvent the wheel again. So right now it's strictly for practitioners.
 
00:12:02:52 - 00:12:22:20
Dr. Paul
I've attended so many times and it's still over my head some of the times. A lot of the time it's over my head. So I think for parents it would be, like almost. Yeah, probably too much. But for the practitioners who may want to attend, just give us a couple minutes about what's happening at this conference.
 
00:12:22:20 - 00:12:40:33
James Neuenschwander M.D
Sure. So what we do with every conference for, for, for, you know, we call them newbies for people where this is their first conference. We put them into a track called foundations. Now, I you know, it's sort of not appropriately named because there's a lot of people out there that have been practicing for a while and it's like, oh, do I have to go through foundations?
 
00:12:40:33 - 00:13:01:49
James Neuenschwander M.D
Course. Well, you're you know, I always challenge people. If you don't learn anything from our foundations course, then let me know, and I'll gratitude for it because it is still packed full of information. The idea behind foundations is we are trying to expose you to all the things you're going to learn in our fellowship course. So that you finish that first day of foundations.
 
00:13:01:49 - 00:13:26:25
James Neuenschwander M.D
You actually done the first, unit of our fellowship, that would enroll you into the possibility becoming a Mapps fellow. There are multiple courses online that you can do. And then there's another in-person course where we go through a case studies. We call that maps in clinical practice. So technically you could do the fellowship, with just attending two conferences.
 
00:13:26:38 - 00:13:47:26
James Neuenschwander M.D
The other part of the fellowship is once you've done the coursework, we do connect you with one of our faculty. They actually spend time in their office where they come and, and, mentor you in your office, to, sort of, have somebody you're connected with that you can contact, you know, to deal with problems, difficult cases, whatever.
 
00:13:47:31 - 00:14:04:53
James Neuenschwander M.D
So that's the foundations course and the maps and clinical practice course. The other thing we do, and that's done on Thursday, the other thing we do on Thursday, we sort of have a free for all where we just whatever's new, you have something new you want to present to our community. You know, that's what we're looking for. And then Friday and Saturday are themed.
 
00:14:04:58 - 00:14:24:48
James Neuenschwander M.D
This time around, we're doing neurology, a lot of neuroinflammation, seizures, you know, that sort of thing. Pans, pandas, you know, how to deal with these things. So Friday tends to be much more of a scientific kind of thing. Saturday. We're trying to take that stuff we presented on Friday and make it a little bit more, clinically relevant.
 
00:14:25:02 - 00:14:53:54
James Neuenschwander M.D
And then Sunday morning we sort of have a wrap up session. It's non CME. But it is Q&A with, with faculty, Q&A with the presenters. And that tends to be sort of the most interesting time. We can spend 2 or 3 hours, on a Sunday morning, helping people work through their stuff. The important thing with what we do, we don't have a you know, here's your here's your, tablets from Moses coming down from the mountain, with with the maps protocol written on it.
 
00:14:53:54 - 00:15:12:05
James Neuenschwander M.D
There's no such thing. Every kid on the spectrum is an individual. You have to figure out what's going on with them. And again, most of the time when you're looking at kids with autism, you have, you know, brain inflammation is is a huge problem. The gut is a huge problem. Immune dysfunction, allergies, that sort of stuff is a huge problem.
 
00:15:12:14 - 00:15:29:58
James Neuenschwander M.D
You know, immune activation is a huge problem. And we teach about all that. The other thing to know about maps is it's not just autism. I mean, these principles apply to asthma and, pediatric autoimmune disorders. Pretty much any chronic illness you're going to see in pediatrics, we tend to cover all that stuff.
 
00:15:30:03 - 00:15:53:56
Dr. Paul
Now you have ten minutes to summarize, how to help those who are struggling, who are on the spectrum. And let's do this because obviously you can't cover the hard core science in ten minutes. But for a parent who's, you know, pretty new into the into this journey, what are the key things that you want them to consider doing as quickly as possible?
 
00:15:54:01 - 00:15:57:48
Dr. Paul
And in the end, you know, maybe I'll ask you about resources that are out there.
 
00:15:58:01 - 00:16:17:47
James Neuenschwander M.D
Well, yeah, I can do it in five seconds. See a maps doctor? There you go. All right, so the key elements to dealing with, particularly kids on the spectrum, one is the gut. You know, there there are multiple studies out there now that say trying a gluten free diet is helpful to at least 50 or 60% of kids on the spectrum.
 
00:16:17:47 - 00:16:39:46
James Neuenschwander M.D
So I tend to do gluten free, casein free, soy free, casein is dairy. So gluten free case and free, soy free and corn free, to start out with. But what I tell parents is, rule number one, feed your kid real food. Don't feed on processed garbage. They're going to complain. They're going to say, you know, they'll stop eating for a while even because they're so addicted to the food, but they'll start eating again.
 
00:16:39:46 - 00:16:57:55
James Neuenschwander M.D
Give them clean food. That's the number one thing you can do, to help them out. Most of these kids have problems with brain inflammation, so anything you can do for the gut will help lower that. A lot of these kids also have folate deficiency in the brain. So you check the blood. It's okay. But in the brain they have folate deficiency.
 
00:16:57:55 - 00:17:21:01
James Neuenschwander M.D
We call it cerebral folate deficiency. And there is a prescription version of folate called lucho Warren which helps quite a few of my patients. Again, this is where you kind of have to seek out, somebody who is a maps kind of doctor. To start prescribing these things and then also do the work up to figure out what's going on with the digestive tract.
 
00:17:21:12 - 00:17:43:58
James Neuenschwander M.D
Because a lot of these kids have overgrowth of clostridium, which is a fermenting bacteria that makes toxins and makes them miserable, or an overgrowth of yeast, which again, yeast as a fungus ferments, creates, toxins. Also creates gas. And that can, create problems for them as well. So those are the big things we're looking at. And the foundations, I think all the foundations go back to real food.
 
00:17:44:09 - 00:18:08:26
James Neuenschwander M.D
People have recovered their children simply by feeding them real whole foods that they make themselves, and getting kids involved with that process that can make such a huge difference. You know, again, when you're getting into the more advanced stuff, a lot of the stuff that we teach it maps. You really have to find a person who understands those, processes and looks at what they can do.
 
00:18:08:31 - 00:18:24:17
James Neuenschwander M.D
And then the other thing I'm going to throw out there, because, you know, there are kids that just they're having bad days, you know, they're just off the rails. You know, one of the things we do is try an anti-inflammatory like, ibuprofen, you know, Motrin kind of thing, because that can make a big difference for these kids.
 
00:18:24:28 - 00:18:45:59
James Neuenschwander M.D
So if you look overall, you know, what are the most effective percentage wise interventions for a kid on the spectrum? A high degree of success, low degree of, toxicity. One is the gluten free diet. Like I said, I extended gluten case and soy and corn. One is to get on, locavore and or high dose folate.
 
00:18:45:59 - 00:19:08:40
James Neuenschwander M.D
And along with that, if you're dealing with a practitioner, methyl B12 injections are also, high. Probably impact. Something like 60% of kids respond to that. The other thing is to detox the environment because, again, toxicity of any type, feeds into brain inflammation makes things worse. And then the other things are just the things that work on brain inflammation directly.
 
00:19:08:49 - 00:19:28:01
James Neuenschwander M.D
These are fish oils. There's a medication called low dose naltrexone, that we use there's an herb called curcumin that's a derivative turmeric. That can be great for brain inflammation, but that's sort of the package of things that you can try. But the key thing is work with a doctor that knows what they're talking about. Every kid is unique.
 
00:19:28:15 - 00:19:38:47
James Neuenschwander M.D
You know, just because something worked for, your friend's kid doesn't mean it's going to work for your kid. And so it's very important that you do connect with a practitioner that's familiar with this.
 
00:19:38:52 - 00:19:54:22
Dr. Paul
Wow. That was a beautiful summary. When you say eat clean food or real food, I presume you also are pretty strict. Or at least you would highly recommend. No pesticides, no herbicides.
 
00:19:54:26 - 00:20:03:07
James Neuenschwander M.D
Right? There's there's enough studies out there that say if you go organic, you see those things disappear from the kids you're in within a week, within a week.
 
00:20:03:19 - 00:20:04:16
Dr. Paul
So wonderful.
 
00:20:04:20 - 00:20:25:49
James Neuenschwander M.D
Like real food. But, you know, again, if you're if you're saying, you know, I can't afford organic food, well, don't eat crap, you know, eat real food. I would rather have you eat, a commercial, you know, orange. Then eat, you know, eat some processed garbage that you're getting from the freezer section of the grocery store.
 
00:20:25:53 - 00:20:37:47
James Neuenschwander M.D
Unfortunately, they've made all that processed food very cheap, you know, so, you know, look at the dollar menu and McDonald's, right, that most calories you can get per dollar and it's all garbage.
 
00:20:38:02 - 00:20:57:11
Dr. Paul
Right? So that's super important. Stopping the toxins that are coming in and then doing all the interventions that you mentioned as a starting point. One of the toxins that in my practice we kind of stumbled on is, wow, this is a real thing, was vaccines. And so, you know, I no longer have a license so I can talk about vaccines.
 
00:20:57:16 - 00:21:13:44
Dr. Paul
And what I saw was, if you stopped vaccinating when you had a child, sort of, either their development stalled out or they regressed into full, full blown autism. If you stopped vaccinating, many of those kids recovered. So not well.
 
00:21:13:44 - 00:21:33:44
James Neuenschwander M.D
You know, you're back in, you're back in the general theme of, don't put more toxins into the body. Exactly. You can say what you want about vaccines, but I think kids on the spectrum are a special population. They've already demonstrated that their immune system overreacts to whatever you do and that they don't tolerate toxicity. And that's, you know, there's a lot of science behind that.
 
00:21:33:53 - 00:21:53:07
James Neuenschwander M.D
Kids on the spectrum tend to have problems with their detox pathways. They tend to have problems with the immune activation pathways, say overexposure. And they don't detox. So using that something which is a vaccine designed to stimulate the immune system, it's going to have toxins in it. You're going after both of those genetic weaknesses in these kids.
 
00:21:53:18 - 00:22:11:04
James Neuenschwander M.D
And, you know, I don't really recommend continuing vaccines in kids that are, autistic. And most parents, you know, I don't I don't say don't vaccinate your kids. I say, why don't you investigate it? And I yet have to have a parent come back to me and say, you know, I've done my research and I want to do the full, and I keep going forward.
 
00:22:11:09 - 00:22:17:31
James Neuenschwander M.D
It just doesn't happen. I mean, when you actually dive into it, nobody comes back and says, oh, that makes a lot of sense.
 
00:22:17:36 - 00:22:27:50
Dr. Paul
Right? So common sense folks, let's wrap this episode up with how can people find the maps, doctor.
 
00:22:27:50 - 00:22:56:43
James Neuenschwander M.D
Yeah, so the best resources is just the maps website. It's med maps.org. So if you go on there, there's clinician directory, where you can find clinicians in your area, you know, one of the things, one of the goals of maps is to have a maps practitioner in every area. You know, right now we're we're struggling to train people to have enough resources for parents so that you don't have to travel across the country to see a maps practitioner.
 
00:22:56:52 - 00:23:08:08
James Neuenschwander M.D
But if you go to bear maps.org, we have the clinician directory, based there where you can look somebody up by name, you can look somebody up by, region as well. And that's the best place to find is.
 
00:23:08:13 - 00:23:34:29
Dr. Paul
Well, thank you for putting together that resource and for your ongoing efforts to educate us who struggle to understand this. Folks, you have no idea that the the level of biochemistry and deep dive into real science that happens at these conferences, I've never seen anything like it. It is medical education at a top, top level. And I thank you so much for all the work you've put into that and and your own teaching.
 
00:23:34:35 - 00:23:37:21
Dr. Paul
It's it's you are a master.
 
00:23:37:26 - 00:23:46:23
James Neuenschwander M.D
Thank you, thank you. It's, you know, we stand on the shoulders of giants. I didn't I didn't invent this. And, you know, I'm, I'm a product of that training system as well.
 
00:23:46:24 - 00:24:01:23
Dr. Paul
Well, thank you for grabbing that ball and run with it because, it's it's making a difference. I'm going to have me back, doctor. New. I want to I want to pick your brain on some other things. So we're going to have you back soon. Thank you for learning, pediatric perspectives.
 
00:24:01:28 - 00:24:03:04
James Neuenschwander M.D
Well, thanks so much for having me on.
 
00:24:03:08 - 00:24:14:26
Dr. Paul
Folks. You can also reach me at Kids First forever.com, and I look forward to seeing you next week.
 
 
 
00:24:19:45 - 00:24:21:21
Dr. Paul
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Dr. Paul
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Dr. Paul
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