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​With the Wind with Dr. Paul - Show 170: Pediatric Perspectives - Parent's Right to Refuse Vaccines with Theresa Wrangham
• Dr. Paul – approximately 30%
• Theresa Wrangham – approximately 64%

00:00:40:28 - 00:01:05:39
Dr. Paul
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00:01:05:53 - 00:01:16:16
Dr. Paul
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00:01:35:06 - 00:02:01:08
Dr. Paul
Good morning and welcome to Pediatric Perspectives, where we are looking at children's health issues from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking and one that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. So today I am really privileged and honored to have with me Theresa Wrangham, executive director of NVC, the National Vaccine Information Center. Welcome, Theresa.

00:02:01:13 - 00:02:03:50
Theresa Wrangham
Thanks so much for having me back. Prof.

00:02:03:55 - 00:02:33:16
Dr. Paul
I have been sharing NVC as the go to resource for what parents need to know when it comes to school requirements and things like that. I mean, you all have just been the place to get that information and I've yet to have the opportunity to talk to you. And so oh, this is so exciting. Maybe just briefly give a short, short history of NVC and your role with them and sort of what got you into this whole world of vaccines.

00:02:33:20 - 00:03:13:53
Theresa Wrangham
Okay. Us tall order there. I'll see if I can condense that. NVC has been around, as you know, since 1982, so we're over 40 years old as a, information clearinghouse on vaccines, vaccine exemptions, diseases. How we got our start as our Covid founders, Barbara Lynn Fisher, Kathy Williams and Jeff Schwartz saw our program in the spring of 1982 called DPT Vaccine Roulette, where it laid out a, a format of speaking to doctors, different scientists and parents regarding DPT vaccine.

00:03:13:53 - 00:03:40:02
Theresa Wrangham
And that for over 40 years in the medical literature, it was now that DVT vaccine caused brain damage and vaccine injury. And when our co-founder saw that they resonated with it, they realized that the health problems that we're seeing in their own children had happened after a DVT vaccine, and they were outraged. And it ended up they ended up calling into the TV studio.

00:03:40:02 - 00:04:21:14
Theresa Wrangham
That was an Emmy Award winning documentary, by the way, by Lee Thompson. It's shocking, even today, if I would say it. You say to your viewers, if you've never watched it, do you watch it? It's on our channel. It will still shock parents. To hear some of the statements being made by former FDA officials, etc. but, for whatever reason, fate, through our three co-founders together, when they had done the research and have worked to draft to a law and get a safer vaccine out in the marketplace, they realized that a lot of what they had learned and in that process, applied across the board to all vaccines in terms of how they're regulated,

00:04:21:19 - 00:04:46:13
Theresa Wrangham
the safety profiles and how they're approved and created, and that there were some really significant gaps in vaccine safety research. There was there were problems with with how it was being done. What was known about vaccine injury and so on. So I came into it, rather a kind of sideways, I became a health advocate because of my daughter who had life threatening asthma.

00:04:46:13 - 00:05:15:25
Theresa Wrangham
And when we started seeing our daughter, our other daughter regress into autism, we just we're at a loss as to what was going on. And, and somebody in the autism world, Liz Berg, who's working with Congressman Burton, knew, somebody out here in Boulder County where I live and started talking to me about vaccines, and I didn't think my daughter had been affected, but I could I could see that, wow.

00:05:15:32 - 00:05:39:39
Theresa Wrangham
You know, the paperwork and FOIA documents that have been brought up during those inquiries, it showed exactly that there are so many gaps, so many problems with with how vaccines are profiled. And I thought this is possible. It contributed to my daughter's condition. It may have contributed to my daughter, other daughter's asthma, absolutely godless of whether it did or not.

00:05:39:48 - 00:06:02:37
Theresa Wrangham
I think what really got me in the platform, the mic stands on this about informed consent, and I could have been better about asking questions. No doubt. So I encourage parents to ask a lot of questions are no stupid questions. But, also, there could be a lot more transparency where when you go in for those WellCare checks.

00:06:02:41 - 00:06:33:08
Theresa Wrangham
That's a really like vaccination opportunities. It seems like more than anything else. And there isn't a lot said about risk. There is. And I don't remember getting that, this vaccine information saying that, but perhaps I did. It's the that a number of years ago. My kids are grown and gone and I'm a grandmother, but I, I do wish I'd asked for more questions and that there that doctors felt a little bit more freedom and being transparent because I think there's also a lot of pressure on doctors, what they can and can't say.

00:06:33:10 - 00:06:38:04
Theresa Wrangham
And with Covid, you know, following, the outskirts of things.

00:06:38:09 - 00:06:45:54
Dr. Paul
Folks, you can get to the National Vaccine Information Center that's in Victoria for your main site. Right?

00:06:45:59 - 00:06:46:48
Theresa Wrangham
That's it.

00:06:46:53 - 00:06:54:40
Dr. Paul
And I know that you all have been putting out a, vaccine reaction. A is that a weekly newsletter? I think.

00:06:54:44 - 00:06:56:34
Theresa Wrangham
It is. It's a weekly journal.

00:06:56:34 - 00:07:15:00
Dr. Paul
And I read that a lot. It's it's a great resource. The vaccine ration.org that's been around for 30 years. And then around the time you joined was the Nevis advocacy.org, which is really, I think, established to protect informed consent. Right. Or at least educate about it.

00:07:15:05 - 00:07:41:18
Theresa Wrangham
It was to create informed consent protections in state law. We saw that the argument around exemptions was really going to happen at a state level. You could have the federal government recommending all these vaccines. But what a lot of people don't understand about the vaccine landscape is that vaccine requirements mandate, and the exemptions, those are created at a state level and that that has to do through state legislature.

00:07:41:18 - 00:08:06:28
Theresa Wrangham
Vaccine laws vary from state to state. As you know, doctor Paul, and we just felt like we had to start building some grassroots and getting some information out there at the state level to protect choice. Because there there are only more vaccines coming down the pike. I don't see, vaccine safety research gaps being addressed. You know, parents are confused between recommendations and requirements.

00:08:06:28 - 00:08:10:34
Theresa Wrangham
They seem to think they're the same thing. So we just I like it.

00:08:10:38 - 00:08:36:00
Dr. Paul
I wanted to focus on this episode actually, as sort of a back to school. I mean, parents right now preparing to send their kids to school, and sometimes they're getting letters from the schools that their children need to be up to date or they won't be allowed to come to school, when in fact, there's requirements, there's recommendations, but they don't tell the parents generally about the exemptions.

00:08:36:05 - 00:09:01:47
Theresa Wrangham
I think what's sad is there seems to be an agenda that, the, the schedule, the childhood schedule, which is a recommended schedule that is actually the title. That's the childhood recommended schedule that is put out by CDC keyword. There is recommendation. These are recommended vaccines. Many states, do not require children to receive every single vaccine on that schedule.

00:09:02:02 - 00:09:43:28
Theresa Wrangham
Now, are you encouraged? Yes. We hear stories, countless stories from parents with how they're pressured in their pediatrician's office or their, or the school is misleading them and saying, now you should get them all. Always check, always check to see what the actual requirement is. Because, again, that requirement comes from our state legislature, here in Colorado where I live, they actually had to due to parent, action had to list on the school document that you have to fill out to say which vaccines your children have gotten, which are exempting from they had to delineate which were required in the state of Colorado for school enrollment and which were not.

00:09:43:33 - 00:10:05:23
Theresa Wrangham
So I think it's purposely vague, and I think it really puts the onus on parents to educate themselves and to find out. And you can do that going to our website, we keep that website, that information on NBA Cork, you can go under the state level and click on to your state and see what exemptions your state offers for school enrollment.

00:10:05:23 - 00:10:17:47
Theresa Wrangham
You can read a little bit about pertinent laws and how to get an exemption. And so because it's so vague, we try to be that good to resource and and have that for many, many years.

00:10:17:52 - 00:10:42:12
Dr. Paul
Yeah. No, it's a great resource. And folks, if your state and most states do allow exemptions either philosophical or religion and or sometimes both, they all say you have a medical exemption. Right. But the honest truth is you can't get those doctors right. Medical exemptions generally lose their license or get somehow censured. So it's actually not even a thing.

00:10:42:23 - 00:10:44:46
Dr. Paul
It's yeah.

00:10:44:50 - 00:11:07:51
Theresa Wrangham
Well, back to your point, Doctor Paul. We get a lot of people, especially after the passage of that one bill into law in California. There's doctor hunting that goes on where doctors are persecuted for writing those medical exemptions. So many doctors who previously grant money, even if it's within CDC guidelines, and those guidelines at the Catholic streamline era, they just won't write them anymore.

00:11:07:51 - 00:11:30:57
Theresa Wrangham
They don't want to be in the crosshairs. Sometimes those conscientious exemptions are called personal belief exemptions. Here in Colorado, there was a law that passed that put them all together under non-medical. And so that encompasses personal conscience, just belief and religious. And yeah, there's medical. So I would say it's a little different in how they they term it.

00:11:30:57 - 00:11:38:38
Theresa Wrangham
And we try to make some standardized things happen on our website. So you can understand clearly what's offered in your state.

00:11:38:43 - 00:12:03:47
Dr. Paul
Yeah. So parents, if you're listening to this, what I think we're saying here is the legislature in your state. If they allow exemptions, they have waited on this issue and it is your legal right to decline any or all vaccines. And so you just need to know how to advocate for yourself so you're not bullied. What tips do you have?

00:12:03:52 - 00:12:12:59
Dr. Paul
For parents in how to navigate communication with the school, with their doctors, people in in power? Do you have some suggestions for people?

00:12:13:04 - 00:12:34:37
Theresa Wrangham
Oh, well, again, don't be afraid to ask questions. I think it's really important if if you're talking about one of the things we had asked, what about daycare versus school? You need to really understand how the law is outlined in your state here in Colorado, the way a school is defined includes daycares and other states. It does not.

00:12:34:37 - 00:12:56:47
Theresa Wrangham
So a daycare may have their own vaccine policies and requirements, and they don't have to follow exemptions. And that affects a lot of a lot of families who have children in daycare. So no matter if it's a daycare setting or a school setting, understand how that law interacts. Again, visit our website, get some information on that, but never be afraid to ask questions.

00:12:56:47 - 00:13:22:57
Theresa Wrangham
If you're not sure that your state, is requiring all these vaccines that are appearing on a forum, ask your school or go out to the health department. They actually list, what is required for the state nine times out of ten. So you can always contact us at contact us at NBA scoring and will lead you to your state webpage if you're having trouble finding it.

00:13:23:02 - 00:13:44:42
Theresa Wrangham
So, you know, make sure you understand what's truly required. Make sure you understand what what it means to have an exemption. If you're taking an exemption, it may mean that when there's an outbreak of a disease that your child has to stay at home for a certain amount of time, there's a trade off on that. If you're taking an exemption, you need to know exactly how to apply for it.

00:13:44:47 - 00:14:07:28
Theresa Wrangham
You might also want to be aware that in some states, when you take an exemption, you're automatically put into what we call a vaccine tracking registry, generally operated by your state health department, and then basically know the the vaccination status of your child. If that bothers you, you learn how to opt out of that. It's not as it's Hotel California.

00:14:07:28 - 00:14:29:01
Theresa Wrangham
You're never truly out. But at least you can take some of that information out. So there there's a lot of nuance. And I would just say the bottom line is really educate yourself on what the laws are in your state, what the requirements are, and how do you go about getting an exemption. And does that put you into another database that you may not want to be in?

00:14:29:05 - 00:14:49:17
Dr. Paul
Yeah. Very good point. Before we move on to talking about what's going on in the schools, I want us to touch on the fact that there are a few states where they really have no options. I mean, just the medical exemption. That would be California, New York, Maine, I think Pennsylvania now, and West Virginia, if I'm not mistaken.

00:14:49:17 - 00:14:50:04
Dr. Paul
Right.

00:14:50:09 - 00:14:51:16
Theresa Wrangham
I believe so.

00:14:51:21 - 00:15:16:35
Dr. Paul
Mississippi used to be on that list and they actually have allowed for religious exemptions now. So yay Mississippi. But if you're in one of those states, what do you have any tips or advice for parents on? Let's say you have a vaccine, an injured or vaccine affected child, and you really don't feel comfortable giving more vaccines either to that child or maybe the subsequent children.

00:15:16:40 - 00:15:18:50
Dr. Paul
What can parents do?

00:15:18:55 - 00:15:39:43
Theresa Wrangham
Well, I think you have to gauge your options, you know, and in the immediate term, you've got a child that you're trying to protect at that point. So the short term is you're going to have to assess your options on, can you step outside the public school system? Because that's usually what we're talking about. Is homeschooling an option for your child?

00:15:39:48 - 00:16:14:47
Theresa Wrangham
If it is, you would then have to check the homeschooling, laws in that state to see if, if they've, been able to, pierce and require vaccines for homeschooling kids, a lot of there's a lot more leeway when you talk about homeschool versus public school, but that's not true for every state. So again, it comes down to your state laws and excellent resource to understand that if you're thinking about it, is actually Excelsior, which they've been around for a really long time advocating for homeschool laws and legally defending them.

00:16:14:47 - 00:16:37:25
Theresa Wrangham
If you're a member of their organization, they will. They will help you with any legal problems you have to a point. So homeschooling might be an option. Private school, depending on how schools are designed in your state. Private school situation very often offered through the church. They, they are sometimes not subject to the same laws.

00:16:37:29 - 00:17:01:29
Theresa Wrangham
And you might be able to get around it there, if it's, to medical condition, like you're indicating Doctor Paul, and you can't get an in-state doctor to go to bat for you, perhaps an out-of-state doctors, exemption would be acceptable. Again, that pivots on state law. It may also be advisable that you're going to have to get some legal advice on how laws are being interpreted.

00:17:01:29 - 00:17:33:47
Theresa Wrangham
So it's it's a very individual situation. And you're going to have to decide on the short term where to place your child and what your options are in your state. And then from there, I would say the long term is and you brought up a really good case with Mississippi. We started the advocacy portal so we could get expansion of, of exemptions to temper mandates or just get the mandates off the books, period.

00:17:33:52 - 00:17:59:33
Theresa Wrangham
Mississippi happened because of the legal action, but it now sets a precedent that perhaps could be role models in other states for legislation in these states that that aren't offering religious exemptions. So there's a point at which all of us are going to have to roll up our sleeves at some point in time and fight to expand these freedoms because they are informed consent, freedoms and our consent as a human right.

00:17:59:38 - 00:18:04:57
Theresa Wrangham
And if we want that right, we're going to have to be willing to fight for it. Unfortunately.

00:18:05:02 - 00:18:24:14
Dr. Paul
Yeah. And absolutely, parents, it is on us to protect our children, right? I mean, that's our one of our most important roles in this world. When you have children is to protect them. And the state should not be determining what they can do with our children's bodies, injecting whatever they want, as we saw happen when they rolled out Covid.

00:18:24:14 - 00:18:46:40
Dr. Paul
But basically, they've been doing this for a very long time in states that don't allow exemptions, and parents who feel like their kids have to go to school, they don't have freedom. So we need I agree with you. We have to fight for that. Private schools or even home schools, in some states are obligated to follow vaccination rules.

00:18:46:40 - 00:19:05:25
Dr. Paul
I just thought, wow, I thought they were free. I think some schools have gotten around it by being called enrichment programs, and so that might be a term parents can look for if they're going to homeschool, but then want some help with that. You can look for a private enrichment program. This acts like a school, but it doesn't have as many contact hours.

00:19:05:25 - 00:19:20:31
Dr. Paul
That's one thing I've heard. I think I remember reading on on some information you all provided that you can ask for a written vaccine policy, so that you kind of understand where the school or business stands on these things.

00:19:20:36 - 00:19:41:10
Theresa Wrangham
Yeah, especially in that in that instance, you want to do that when the state law doesn't apply to them, when the vaccine laws and exemption laws don't apply to them. You want to ask that school before you enroll. We get letters from parents saying, I enrolled my child. Now I'm being told I have to vaccinate. And I thought I didn't have to.

00:19:41:14 - 00:19:57:04
Theresa Wrangham
And it comes down to those vaccine laws in your state. If it doesn't apply to a private school, they get to set their own vaccine requirements and exemption policies, and there's really nothing you can do except for start advocating with your elected officials to change it.

00:19:57:08 - 00:20:32:37
Dr. Paul
Yeah, and practically speaking, I've coached so many parents. Will you you're going to have to find a different preschool or daycare or whatever, right? If if they don't want to give vaccines and that school requires them, that they have a right as a private business to do that, well, let's jump a little bit into an area that I don't know why it bothers me so much, but school based clinics, I remember when they first started coming out with school nurses and I thought, oh, what a wonderful thing to provide some services to, you know, the poor in the school who maybe don't have great access to doctors or health care resources.

00:20:32:41 - 00:20:59:35
Dr. Paul
And it felt and sounded like a great thing. But I have two stories of 15, 16 year old young girls who are completely healthy top students. Athletes at school were given the HPV Gardasil at age 15 and 16 without the parents knowing, without I didn't know I was their pediatrician. They developed severe neurological problems and both of them could barely walk.

00:20:59:40 - 00:21:19:58
Dr. Paul
They were not functioning well in school anymore. After seeing all the specialists, I finally asked the right question. You didn't get any vaccines outside of this office, did you? And in both cases, the girl. Yeah, we got it at school, and the moms mouths drop open. What the heck? Tell me more. What it. What do you know about school based clinics?

00:21:19:58 - 00:21:31:46
Dr. Paul
And, you know, are they giving these kids? I don't know how you can give a 15, 16 year old informed consent. Anyway, but what's happening? Do you have concerns?

00:21:31:51 - 00:21:56:36
Theresa Wrangham
Have lots of concerns. And much like you sure sounded good on the surface because I think the original intent was, to make, some medical services available to families who might otherwise, for children might not otherwise see a doctor and miss a vision screening, hearing screening or some basic medical care. But we've heard the same story as you have, Doctor Paul.

00:21:56:36 - 00:22:42:12
Theresa Wrangham
And we're very concerned, particularly when it comes to what you're talking about us. Minor concern. And much like you, when it comes to vaccines, our our physician would be parents hold the health history of their children and have historically been given the right to make medical decisions for their children. From a legal standpoint, the problem with these vaccine clinics, in my mind, is you run crossways with two federal laws, one that our co-founders helped to draft and passed with Congress, which is the National Childhood Vaccine Entry Act of 1986 that requires that that vaccine information statement be given to parents or guardians, not minors.

00:22:42:21 - 00:23:05:42
Theresa Wrangham
The law was defined very carefully there and not minors, before vaccination. And in fact, if you go to the CDC's website, they talk about you can't just front load this and give it to them in September and have a vaccine clinic months later. It needs to be, you know, closer together than that. At least that would give you a heads up.

00:23:05:43 - 00:23:39:46
Theresa Wrangham
It's not parental consent, but if you got a vis coming home from school, and that should tell you they're planning on, running a clinic. But in terms of another law, which is the, Pupil Privacy Rights Act, pray it it actually covers bodily objections. As a parent, if your school is receiving federal funds, you're supposed to be notified about any sort of invasive physical exam, including injections, and you have the right to opt out.

00:23:39:46 - 00:24:04:04
Theresa Wrangham
So, I'm not sure how when there's a state of emergency and you have a vaccine like Covid that still falls under the Prep act, Prep act seems to take precedence over everything. But for for HPV, HPV is on the childhood schedule. It's covered by the Vaccine Injury compensation program, which means you have to receive the bus. Those parents should have got it office prior to this.

00:24:04:04 - 00:24:35:56
Theresa Wrangham
A heads up, you know, but more to your point, you saw a child that had all these symptoms and you finally asked the million dollar question, right? Did you have a vaccine? How long was that time frame? Because filing for injury compensation is deadline sensitive. And this is the problem with minor consent. You have a parent who is still paying medical costs and taking care of that child that doesn't know their kid got a vaccine.

00:24:36:01 - 00:24:59:34
Theresa Wrangham
If they don't know that, then how can they possibly give their doctor all the information? How would you possibly even be able to start tracking? Could this be from a vaccine and you might become ineligible for compensation because this was a secret, you know? So I would really encourage parents to get familiar with the these two laws I just mentioned.

00:24:59:34 - 00:25:32:46
Theresa Wrangham
But to also please, please talk to your children. They are going to be, asked to participate in these. We've all heard the stories where parents have said no, that their schools are aware of it and somehow their kid gets coerced or gets mistakenly put in there and gets a vaccine. Find out what the policy is, be very pointed with your schools, and and find out if they're covered by these laws, if they is acceptable funds, if they don't and they're not subject to these laws, what are their policies?

00:25:32:47 - 00:25:53:55
Theresa Wrangham
Get it in writing and have some very, very clear understandings. And so that you can be comfortable and understand the situation. But talk to your child. Does your child know that if they're told they have to get a vaccine, that they should be saying something like, my mom didn't say that today. You know, I want to get my mom on the phone.

00:25:53:59 - 00:25:57:10
Dr. Paul
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we really have to have a plan.

00:25:57:17 - 00:26:23:32
Theresa Wrangham
You know? It's like the sex talk, right? That our parents told we're told to have with us. It's not one conversation. As parents, we prepare our children for life and when they go to college, they're faced with some of their first medical decisions around magical vaccine and flu shots. If you haven't spent the time to talk to your child about the history, their medical history, if they're predisposed to something, have they reacted to a prior vaccine?

00:26:23:32 - 00:26:42:34
Theresa Wrangham
And maybe you vaccinate with some and not others because of it? You have to impart that to them because once they get to college, you're not in the driver's seat anymore and you're being kicked out of the driver's seat as they get younger. I mean, there is a real movement for these, these minor consent laws, and we're going to have to find a.

00:26:42:39 - 00:27:14:43
Dr. Paul
Oh, I couldn't agree more. And with one of the tricks I read about is that the schools are having this opt in, opt out trick, where before you had to actually give permission for them to give a vaccine to your child at school, but now you you just automatically are opted in unless you specifically opt out. And so yeah, you have to as a parent, just assume you have to assume they're going to try to vaccinate your child at school and prepare your child in every way possible.

00:27:14:52 - 00:27:27:29
Dr. Paul
If it's not something you want to happen, then your child, unfortunately, is going to have to be trained to have the the fortitude to say, absolutely not. Not unless my parents sitting right beside me.

00:27:27:34 - 00:27:44:22
Theresa Wrangham
Truly. And explain to your child why that is. You know why. Why you're in the driver's seat. And how you safeguard is not about trusting your child, which I think as they get into teens, it's like, well, you don't trust me right about that. It's not about that. But, you know, it depends on what you're talking about.

00:27:44:22 - 00:27:56:53
Theresa Wrangham
But I've seen other cases where the school goes, oh, there's a mistake. We can't undo a vaccine. You know, if they get off on the mistake or it was truly a mistake, it's like you don't get to undo it. No, no.

00:27:57:03 - 00:28:15:37
Dr. Paul
And that that thing is a mistake. As they say. You see this in hospitals. Parents go in and say, I don't want the hepatitis B for my newborn. And it's done anyway when they're not looking. And oh, we're so sorry. Well, you can't take it out. So we have to just be very vigilant and.

00:28:15:42 - 00:28:34:41
Theresa Wrangham
And it starts then. As you know, it doesn't start when they hit school. It actually starts when you're pregnant. You should be you should have a birth plan. You should be asking about standing orders. You should have everything in writing and make sure everybody's got copies. But more than that, we actually advise don't let the baby out of your sight.

00:28:34:46 - 00:28:35:35
Dr. Paul
Agreed.

00:28:35:40 - 00:29:02:15
Theresa Wrangham
There are well-meaning nurses who you know that we've heard about, and it's like, again, you don't get to undo that vaccine, so you feel strongly about it, you know, plan and and make have a good plan B. You just you can't be overprepared on this one. You really you really can't. And it's horrible that you have to take these steps and can't trust your school to do the right thing.

00:29:02:20 - 00:29:22:40
Theresa Wrangham
Until you get to know these laws, we have, under our resource tab, we have FAQs, frequently asked questions, and I think we provided them, for the show as well. But classroom lesson plans on vaccination, health. You want to know about school based health clinics? So much for lies. We've got that on our website. You can have a look at it.

00:29:22:40 - 00:29:39:12
Theresa Wrangham
If it doesn't make sense, reach out to us. We don't give legal advice, but we'll give you our best read on it and send you off to resources where you can read for yourself. You may need to get with an attorney if you get crossways with the school, but you know, don't be afraid to educate yourself and ask questions.

00:29:39:12 - 00:29:48:56
Theresa Wrangham
Again, I think it really comes down. Empower yourself with knowledge so you can find a path forward. Make a plan with your child so that they're not caught off guard.

00:29:49:01 - 00:30:16:37
Dr. Paul
Yeah, especially those kids going off to college. Yeah, they need to absolutely be informed, empowered and know exactly what they're going to do with each of the possible recommendations, I suppose, in wrapping it up, I have big concerns about the mRNA platform, the Covid shots and whatever else they're going to try to roll out in these really rapid rollouts where you can't have any safety testing, by definition.

00:30:16:37 - 00:30:34:41
Dr. Paul
I mean, you're going to do these emergent vaccines. What are your thoughts? What what tips might you give parents and our listeners, you know, as we move forward now, the world seems to be changing quickly. What what should people think about.

00:30:34:46 - 00:30:58:48
Theresa Wrangham
Well, I think mRNA vaccines are a whole beast unto themselves. I'm not sure there are vaccines. They're very, very attractive to the vaccine industry. So I can tell you we're going to see more of them. It's a very attractive platform from an industrial industry standard, because there's less money involved. And being able to mass produce, it's, it's what I would call a plug and play platform.

00:30:58:53 - 00:31:25:59
Theresa Wrangham
I don't think we fully understand mRNA, technology. It's its benefits or risks. And I think we're going to see more of them. So again, I think I think parents are going and parents guardians, individuals, you know, we saw during Covid employer mandates, everybody's going to have to get educated to really make some choices about what they feel okay about being injected in their body.

00:31:26:04 - 00:31:51:05
Theresa Wrangham
You can always come to our website and get information on the disease and vaccines, but some of my biggest tips, I think, would be just from a commonsense level. Because that's that's the tact I started taking before I ever heard that vaccines may be involved in autism or asthma. And so I started asking myself, how often do we see the complications of this disease and where I live?

00:31:51:05 - 00:32:14:47
Theresa Wrangham
And I lived overseas, so that moved around for me. What are those complications? Are they treatable? Is the disease treatable? What are the risks associated with the vaccine? Again, weigh that out. Don't be afraid to do that. Informed consent. Dialog. What's in your head? Because we're only going to see more vaccines, and it won't be just our children who are tired of it will be adults.

00:32:14:47 - 00:32:38:01
Theresa Wrangham
We see pregnant women becoming a huge target. We see, because of Covid, those employer mandates, there's going to be pressure to figure out how to get adults vaccinating, according to the CDC's recommended schedule. So start doing that risk benefit analysis for yourself. Ask your questions. Ask your questions of your doctor. How often, how severe. So some at risk for this disease.

00:32:38:05 - 00:32:56:15
Theresa Wrangham
You know they're not going to like having those. But you'll know immediately by their answer whether or not they're doing any reading or if they're just following their professional organizations advice and just following lockstep with the recommended schedule and that tells you right there a lot about your health care provider.

00:32:56:20 - 00:33:16:49
Dr. Paul
Yep. Time to get a new one. Sadly, not my one. Yeah, sadly, most pediatricians are just whatever the CDC says. They just rubber stamp it. And that is a tragedy for our kids because they've added the Covid jab to the schedule. Their their work, they've getting RSV on there and they're going to keep adding things that.

00:33:17:02 - 00:33:17:36
Theresa Wrangham
They are all.

00:33:17:36 - 00:33:35:31
Dr. Paul
The things are so poorly tested. So, people you can go to and Vic Dawg, for more information, I've just got a book coming out, VAX Facts What You Need to Know Before Vaccinating Before Choosing to Vaccinate. It is available for preorder at VAX Facts book.

00:33:35:31 - 00:33:36:01
Theresa Wrangham
Wonderful.

00:33:36:14 - 00:33:48:11
Dr. Paul
Org I mean.com sorry or at kids first forever.com and yeah, you get the last word. What would you like to leave as a sort of a parting message? For our viewers today?

00:33:48:16 - 00:34:11:53
Theresa Wrangham
Well, I think the one thing we didn't cover that I think is really important, a newer piece of information is vaccine education is coming to your child's classroom. And instead of having to convince you, the parent, to vaccinate, I think they're going to be convincing our children. And we're not even going to know it, that one of the federal laws I spoke of today, PRA, allows you to inspect curriculum.

00:34:11:58 - 00:34:35:05
Theresa Wrangham
However, the parent has to ask. You were not given some sort of notification where you're told, hey, if you want to inspect the curriculum, find out what's being said in the classroom because this is another go around. If, if, if you're if there are class plans, lesson plans being taught in the classroom around vaccines, are they objective?

00:34:35:13 - 00:34:56:41
Theresa Wrangham
Are they inspiring critical thinking and questions or are they just propaganda? And how are you going to balance it? Or are you going to decide to opt out? So we we provided a link to, to that, for Doctor Paul. I'm sure it will be put up, but do you understand that, there are many ways that we are going to be convinced to vaccinate.

00:34:56:41 - 00:35:15:18
Theresa Wrangham
And I'm not saying vaccination is bad. I'm saying it should be a personal choice based on your medical history and values and beliefs. We should not be coerced into this, or brainwashed. So find out what's being said in the classroom as well. It's not just about exemptions anymore, it's about what's being talked about in the classroom.

00:35:15:23 - 00:35:39:50
Dr. Paul
Yep, I couldn't agree more if you were paying attention during the whole plan demic, pandemic, Covid roll out mandates, etc. everything that was coming across the airwaves related to vaccines and related to Covid was propaganda. Because the truth we have had to dig for, and it's there. You can go to, you know, the journal that you all put out, the vaccine reaction.org site.

00:35:39:50 - 00:35:55:28
Dr. Paul
You can go to, PhD. Steve's the defender of that journal and the information's there. It's well documented. It's referenced. So thank you for your work on behalf of children and the world. I am so glad I got to talk to you, Teresa.

00:35:55:33 - 00:36:01:01
Theresa Wrangham
Well, and congratulations on your book. I look forward to reading it. And I have to pre order.

00:36:01:06 - 00:36:24:16
Dr. Paul
Thank you. We will get her happy copy as well. God bless. Well folks, you can also find my other show with the wind at Doctors and science.com and Kids First forever.com. If you want to interact with my self or my coauthor Didi Hoover personally, we do coaching and wealth of information there as well. I look forward to seeing you next week.

00:36:24:21 - 00:36:44:17
Speaker 3
It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. I ended up in a wheelchair, completely seized up, thought I was stroke and couldn't walk. Had we learn how to walk him? His kidneys are shut down. She had five Pfizer Covid vaccinations. She never woke up. This is. This is the life that I have now. It's when you start thinking, okay, how do I end my life?

00:36:44:21 - 00:37:04:11
Speaker 3
Something really sinister, really, really sinister was going on. These were fundamental violations of human rights. So we here at Children's Not Defense all going to go back out on the road. We are going to speak to every single one of you. What have you been to? Those are my eyes. This is a huge tumor. This is the bottom line.

00:37:04:11 - 00:37:25:36
Speaker 3
Long that is filled with blood. They said it was the most aggressive cancer that they seen. I held on to my husband for the very last time, and I stayed with him until his body got cold. I had to talk. I loved him not to be afraid. What of your children being safe through Covid, through all of the issues that we've had over these last few years?

00:37:25:42 - 00:37:36:39
Speaker 3
We want to hear all of your stories. It was hard seeing 25 year olds coming in with heart attacks, with strokes because they received the vaccine. The success rate of these patients getting better was next to zero.

00:37:36:39 - 00:37:42:25
Speaker 4
Just that there's something wrong. This something has happened and you have to consider the vaccine.

00:37:42:30 - 00:37:45:49
Dr. Paul
This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

00:37:45:53 - 00:38:22:56
Speaker 3
You shut up. You're you're vaccinated. You will suffer for having not done what we had to do. That, to me, was a crime against humanity and a violation of my oath. We will continue children's health, defense will continue, and we will not stop until there's justice. And this never, ever happens again.

00:38:28:15 - 00:38:54:09
Dr. Paul
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00:38:54:15 - 00:39:01:31
Dr. Paul
I'm Dr. Paul.