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​Dr. Paul  0:05  
Welcome to with the wind science revealed. I'm Dr. Paul and my guest today is Christine white. She's a fellow pediatrician, I love talking with fellow pediatricians, she went through a transition over the four years of COVID, from being in a big group practice to starting our own practice freedom, pediatrics. And we talk about that journey and how to embrace the new knowledge and new information of deep diving into what keeps kids sick, what we can do to change it, and then learning the skills to help others with this. It's all about lifestyle. It's a wonderful interview, very enlightening. And then Didi wraps it up beautifully by having that woman to woman personal stuff, and then pushing her a little bit on some of the issues. So that it becomes real clear, this is the most important thing we can do as parents is figure out what to do that will keep our kids robustly healthy. Enjoy the show.

Dr. Paul, coming to you from the heart, I want to talk about integrity. It just touched me with the interview with Dr. Christine, that you're watching today. How she navigated her whole journey of becoming aware that, my goodness, there might be a problem, there might be an issue with vaccines. And rather than just ignoring that, or sweeping it under the rug, because it's highly inconvenient as a pediatrician, to change what we've always done. And as she pointed out in her interview, too, it's like a religion and and, yeah, but she had the integrity. And I know so many of you watching have had similar challenges in our lives, we all do, where we're faced with new information that makes the old information no longer true, not acceptable. And it requires integrity to do the right thing. And I am so grateful to all of you who have faced that struggle, and chosen with love and kindness, to have integrity and do what's right, and stand up for our children and for ourselves and for a better world. Thank you. I'm Dr. Paul.

Welcome, folks to another episode of with the wind. I am honored to have pediatrician, Dr. Christine white with us today. So welcome, Christine.

Dr Christine White  2:37  
Hello, thanks for having me.

Dr. Paul  2:39  
I always love talking to pediatricians. We're a special breed. I don't know, I don't know you very well. And I. So I bet the audience doesn't know you very well. I'd be interested to know why you went into pediatrics What motivated you to be a doctor and just briefly how you ended up in pediatrics.

Dr Christine White  2:56  
So I, when I went to med school, I was going to be a geriatrician, and I love big switch. I know I volunteered for four years in college at a old folks home and I taught them an exercise class every Friday. And so I just that's what I was going to do. And my first rotation was in internal medicine. And I spent a year a month at the VA. And after that I was like oh my gosh, I have no I can't do this. And I thought, oh my gosh, maybe I shouldn't be a doctor. And then my next rotation was pediatrics. And I realized this is what I need to do. I still love old people, but I need to be able to fix something sometimes. And I just love kids. I love that. Number one, they don't like to be sick, they like to play and have fun and live their life. And even when they are sick, you don't even know it all the time. And I like that I can usually help them. But I really also like that I can take a tiny human and have an influence on how their life turns out by teaching them and their parents healthy ways to live and smart things to try to do to have a long healthy life. So I guess that's how I got there.

Dr. Paul  4:10  
Yeah, I'm just smiling. Because I had the exact same sequence. I went to internal medicine at a VA hospital in New Hampshire. And it was horrible as we were patching up the smoking, drinking lying fools, but so they could go out and smoke and drink and lie some more. And then I did peds and was like, Oh, I love kids. Everything you just said it was like we had the exact it was like I'm sold. I'm a pediatrician. And how long have you been a pediatrician now? I

Dr Christine White  4:38  
finished residency in the year 2000. So about 24 years. Oh, plenty

Dr. Paul  4:43  
long. You don't look that old.

Dr Christine White  4:45  
So yeah, you should when I was a senior in high school, I looked at 12 Okay, he was horrible then but it's wonderful now.

Dr. Paul  4:52  
There you go. Yeah, that's awesome. Yep. What was your work environment leading up to I know and we'll get to it as we're going And on freedom pediatrics, which is your new model. I'm curious, what was your work environment leading up to what you're doing now?

Dr Christine White  5:07  
Right out of residency, I worked in Austin, Texas at a general peds office for a couple of years. And then I had my first baby and I moved back closer to home to Kansas City. And I worked at an ER for about nine months, but I was seeing a lot of adults, and that was a little uncomfortable for me. And so then for the last 20 years, 21 and a half years, I've been at a at a pediatric office with six other partners. And so it was General peds. I did checks and sick visits. And unfortunately, a lot of basically sight I a tree and psychology. And I like doing that. I like trying to help people that are having those struggles. But yeah, just full time general pediatrician, all the normal stuff that comes. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  5:48  
sounds very similar to my journey. So let's move to close to the COVID time. And I remember you sharing that in around 2020, you were starting to get involved in the schools, what led to that, why what was going on, share a little more about that.

Dr Christine White  6:08  
So in March of 2020, when COVID hits within a couple of weeks, so you could see some stuff coming out of China. And I realized, I really don't think that this is a huge risk for kids. I was reading everything I could find. But as we got into April and May I was seeing these kids that had been locked down. They were coming in with very severe anxiety and depression. And it wasn't the type that you could help you could not budget you could not have really helped most of these kids. They were just really affected by what was going on. And I was very concerned that this was going to go into the next school year. And so when I saw in our school district that was going to happen. I started speaking at the school board meetings and saying you guys as a pediatrician, this is what I'm seeing. Other countries are letting their kids go to school, they did let them go to school during the pandemic, and they did fine. And we have more data now this is August to 2020. That is this mainly affects adults. And yes, kids get COVID. But they do very well with it. By far and large. I spoke at every school board meeting for about six or seven months to try to get the kids in school. And then I also after that was approved, I started speaking about getting parents and children the opportunity for the following school year the 2120 school year 2122 To let them have the choice whether or not they would wear a mask for them coming up school year still sway. How was that received? The problem with that was I had decided in March of 2021, to run for the school board in my school district. And it was not because of anything related to COVID. It was because of the way that we teach reading in our school district. And actually most school districts teach it the same way. They teach it with hole literacy, which is basically teaching kids to read with sight words. And I realized about three years before this, that my own my youngest daughter, she was a freshman and she's very smart. And I was like hey, what are you reading an ELA and she goes I'm reading To Kill a Mockingbird. I can't stand it. And I said, Oh my gosh, I played scouting that when I was in seventh grade. I love that book. I said let's read it. And I sat down with her and I made her read it to me. And I said do you understand what just happened? There she goes, I don't understand what happened. And I realized oh my gosh, you have she can read the words. But she would skip over some. I took her and got her evaluated. She had some reading issues. We've done tutoring now she's doing great. She's at KU at college is doing great. But I realized that's the way we taught reading. I never knew I didn't pay attention. I just sent my kids to the best school district in Kansas, which is what were touted as, but we were not teaching reading. And we had 25% of our kids that could not read at grade level, both in fourth grade and 10th grade. And that was pre planned and it gets worse now, I researched I found a program that they used in Mississippi. And they brought their kids in Mississippi up from the worst in the country to top third better than Kansas, which was very surprising to me. And I figured I can train every K through three teacher for $800 each. And we can teach these teachers how to teach phonics, and how to teach these kids to read. And that's what I ran for school board on because if you can't read as you learn to read till third grade, and then you read to learn from fourth grade on. And as a pediatrician, I was seeing so many kids with ADHD. And for 13 years. I'm like, Okay, let's talk about reading. And so many kids couldn't read. And I was like, Why can't these kids read now I know. And so my goal was, let's train the teachers to teach the kids to read and then our students will be successful. Well, that's what I ran for school board on. But all that anybody wanted to talk about was that this was a pediatrician that wanted kids in school. And this is a pediatrician that wanted parents to have the right to choose whether the kid wore a mask or not. And so I was actually forced out of the school board race. I had to choose between my job and running for school board and I have four kids dropped out of school board race, but that's when I started to look at okay, what else has been going on? That I've been taught or told or believed? And that maybe is not 100% accurate. And so that's really when my life really started to change.

Dr. Paul  10:08  
Oh, boy. Yeah. And your big change has just been in the last four years, right? Yeah. Yeah, if you're willing to talk about it, I'm interested in what what's happening to our kids, what's happening in our country, what's happening with doctors who have tried to beat out like yourself. So pick any of those to start with.

Dr Christine White  10:27  
I think what's happening with our kids is, so I was born in 1970. I grew up in a time where it was very rare to have a kid in your class that that really had some serious illness, maybe some, maybe you had one diabetic, maybe you had one kid with asthma. And we all knew it. And it was very rare. And we were very supportive of that. But now, you're actually almost the rare kid if you don't have a chronic disease. And people can say, our genetics is genetics. No, it's not? Nope, it's environmental. And I don't think it's one thing, I don't think that there's one thing you can point to and say this is what is causing the extreme chronic disease that we see in our kids. It is a toxic soup, of how we grow our food, how we package our food, the foods that our children eat, it's processed, it's got our artificial oils that are manmade, it's due to what's in our water, it's due to the fact that our children don't sleep enough, it's due to the fact that our children are on devices all the time, it's due to the fact that our kids are stressed out, it's, it's due to the fact that we give so many vaccines at one time at such a young age. And it's not just one thing it is, again, it's a toxic soup. And for some kids, one of those toxins may not be what triggers something for them. And for others, one of those things might trigger something for them. And the problem is we don't know because nobody who has the money has done the studies to look and see why are we having this explosion of chronic disease in our kids. And so I've always been a pediatrician that has spoken to parents about sleep and diet and nutrition and hydration and exercise and being outside in the actual sun, not just exercise. It's better to exercise outside in the sun, and devices and limiting devices and really looking closely at what are you eating and and I think that just in the last four years, that has become much more important to me, because I've realized, there are things that I can change, and I can help these parents and kids change, I can't affect a can affect grandma's environment, I can affect mom's environment, unless I get them before they're pregnant. But I can affect going forward. And that is what I try to help these families understand and went out. And I'm unfortunately I wasn't trained in holistic or functional medicine. But I learned something new every day, literally. And I'm very willing to learn more. But I do the best I can. And I that is my goal is to give health care not to give sick care. I am tired of us putting a bandaid on problems. Every time you come to the office, Do this, do that. Come back next time it happens. No, okay, you have this. Let's figure out why you maybe have this let's make you feel better. But let's figure out what has led to you having this oh, this is the third or fourth time you've had this. Why is that? What can we do at a root level to help you? That's what I think about what's going on with our children. As far as what I think has gone on with people that have spoken out against the mainstream narrative over the last four years. It has not gone well for them as a group. Some individuals have been much more hurt by it some and I can speak more to physicians just because that's what I've seen. Some physicians have lost their licenses, some physicians, many physicians have lost their jobs. Many physicians didn't lose anything because they were threatened. And they backed off like I did. If I could do anything different from when I quit the school board race, it would have been to stay in the school board race and take what would have come. But I am a braver person now than I wasn't 2021 I am a completely different person now than I was in 2021. And that's okay, I give myself grace for that you can only do what you can do and you sometimes have to survive and live to fight another day. But it has not gone well for people who dared to speak a narrative that was not the accepted one. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  14:41  
yeah. And you have started your own practice now correct freedom pediatrics, that probably actually nice name by the way, that probably gave you some freedom not to be in it. I was in a group practice and quite frankly, when I would go to them and say hey, I have a concern about the Hepatitis B for newborns, it's got all this aluminum and oh, that that was not met with a lot of acceptance, right? And so probably as you're starting to, isn't it exciting to do holistic health and functional medicine? Yes. And look at root causes and offer our patients something that has a real high likelihood of actually making it a long lasting positive difference.

Dr Christine White  15:26  
It's wonderful. Yes, it's

Dr. Paul  15:28  
so wonderful. So it's so freeing. So I imagine now that you're, you've started freedom, pediatrics, you are a little more free to really do what you want to do. That'll make move the needle, I think we could say you are now in the medical freedom, movement, and supporting parental choice. Do you have thoughts that you can share about what parental choices, the things you're most concerned about that that you want to give parents freedom to choose?

Dr Christine White  15:54  
Yeah, one of the nicest things about this practice freedom pediatrics is not just freedom. For me. It's primarily freedom for parents, and children, to be able to ask a question of their pediatrician, and not immediately physically cower or mentally cower, and wait to be shamed or yelled out, or schooled in what the actual truth is, or have their instincts questioned. It is a it's a dialogue, it's a conversation between me and the parents and the kids. And you can ask me anything you want to ask me? And I might not know the answer, but I'll go learn and I'll tell you what I find. And I'll give you my answer if I know it. But I want to know where you are to, and then I will help you make a decision for your child that you think is best for your child. And I think at the base of parental choice, is that the it is your child that no one else has the right to tell you how to parent that child, whether it is medical decisions, or its educational decisions. It's your child. And freedom pediatrics also is the freedom for me to Yes, to speak freely to you and to tell you what I think is best for your individual child, to also tell you what I do know about medicine, or about food or about vaccines, and take your individual child and work with you to find the best answer for that one person. healthcare and medicine is really individual. It's not one size fits all. And so that's the freedom comes in that part, too. I don't know if I answered the question right? Or no,

Dr. Paul  17:38  
I like it. What city are you in or town?

Dr Christine White  17:41  
So I'm in a suburb of Kansas City. It's Overland Park, Kansas.

Dr. Paul  17:44  
Okay, just for our viewers who might be very excited to find you. Good to know where you are. Yeah. And so on the on that parental choice. But I'm concerned and I'm wonder what your thoughts are about school based health clinics, it sounded like such a wonderful idea. Just like universal health insurance sounded like such a wonderful idea, leveled the playing field, those who don't have access, we give them access. But I'm hearing and reading things that make me very concerned. And I wonder what your thoughts are about school based health clinics, risks, benefits, that sort of thing.

Dr Christine White  18:22  
Right? I think it is a slippery slope. And I do know that there are kids in our society that don't have access to healthcare, if they need health care, they probably go to an ER, they don't have a primary care doctor, maybe they don't have a doctor, maybe their parents work two or three jobs and can't get them there when they're sick. Maybe they don't have the money to be treated for their asthma or whatever. And so then you start to look at, okay, how can we get this care delivered that the school is a place that most kids go, and, and there has been somewhat of a safety net there for the school nurse or a school counselor. But when you start to say, Okay, we're going to bring in nurse practitioners or whoever, and start to really deliver full comprehensive care, from vaccines to medications to counseling in the school that the parent may not know what's going on to prescribing other medicines for other conditions. And how much of this do the parents know? And how much of this has been driven by a person who is a minor and should not be making decisions for themselves? Because again, a 14 year old brain a 16 year old brain and 18 year old brain is not the same as a 26 to 30 year old brain. And so really, I think the parents should be making these decisions, unless it's an emergency and you brought somebody to the ER in a trauma. And so I think you have to be very careful what is offered at those and it really needs to be looked at where's the funding coming from I know where the funding is coming from. It's coming from people that want to have more access to your children. And so it sounds good on paper, but it's a Pandora's box. And I am much more concerned about it than I am thinking, Oh, this is great. This will be wonderful. This will be what these kids need. Ya know,

Dr. Paul  20:13  
I had two girls around age 16, who developed severe neurological problems. They were both top students, athletes in, you know, their varsity sport, whatever Sought One was soccer. And maybe they were both soccer. And they were severely neurologically compromised in the parent, the moms there with each of these girls at different times in my office, and they, they didn't know we had sent them to specialists. Nobody could figure out what was going on. I finally asked the right question. You didn't get any vaccines? Did you? Because I've got their chart. I know that I didn't give them any vaccines in the recent past. Oh, yeah, we got one at school that HPV in the moms jaw. Did they didn't know. And so that that's what you're speaking to. And I agree, parents need to be involved in all health care decisions right through age 1718. Right? Because that, like you said, there are powerful interests that can make money off of our children. Yep. And vaccines is one of them. And so yeah. What about what's being taught in the schools? Because you are getting involved there much more so than I ever was. And so I've only been learning recently about, there's some real I don't know, indoctrination, if you will about different things, or what are you most worried about there, there's

Dr Christine White  21:38  
a few things that came out of COVID that are good. One of them is that everybody was at home, and everybody saw what was being taught to their children over zoom. And all of a sudden people that thought, Oh, we go to this wonderful school district, everything is wonderful, I do not need to even think about it. It's all taken care of. I think everybody started to realize, Oh, my goodness, I need to pay attention. And not only were the kids not necessarily being taught a rigorous academic course load. But there was stuff being taught that would in most people's books be better taught at home, different values, different, maybe political types of views, just things that is really the parents job to do. I send my kid to school to learn reading, writing and arithmetic. Yes, I expect that child behave well. And yes, if they get out of line, please let me know I am on your side, I am not going to go in there and tell you that my daughter is a perfect angel, because I know my daughter, and sometimes she's not. But I don't expect you to teach her things that I should be teaching her. I don't expect you to be putting ideas into her head that should not ever be put there. But definitely shouldn't be put there at a young age, such as gender ideas. I don't expect there to be rallies held that are a school function event, or a school sponsored event for social or political issues that are going on in the world at the time. That is not the school's job. And when I was running for school board, people would call me and say, Hey, have you seen this? Have you seen this. And really, I started really looking at the curriculum as much as you can, because you sometimes can't find the curriculum. But as much as I could, I downloaded it. And I had a group of parents and we went through it for grades K through 12. And we evaluated as much of it as we could get our hands on. And we found instances where there were things in there that really was not academic, it was more social or political. And this is just what the students get. A lot of times the teachers have a different guidebook to go by everything that is being said is not necessarily in the thinking, get your hands on. And so we had made a list of things that we wanted to bring to the school board, I never got a chance to do that, because I dropped out. But it's not just that your kids aren't being academically challenged. They're being taught things are being told things that I don't think should be taught. I also it's just very sad to me that we have, we really don't expect our kids to work as hard anymore. When I ran for school board, I ran as a as a group with two other people with very like minded ideas. And one of them he had been a teacher and then a lawyer and now he's like a financial guy. And he really wanted to really teach kids to be good thinkers, and to critically think about, okay, this book, or this essay, or this poem, and not just be good thinkers and good readers, but good writers. And it is very interesting to me that we do not expect that of our kids anymore. It's almost Okay, here's the test. We're going to teach it for the test and then you guys spit it out. And that's not just okay, here's your History test. It's Oh, we have these. We have these standardized tests coming up. This affects our standings as a school. We are going to teach you the test for the next 10 school days. That's what we're going to teach you. That is not what I want my kid taught in school Will I want my kid taught things so that my kid learns I'm not I even the last few years, my kids were in school, I had them stop taking the standardized tests, because that's not what they're there for. They did other stuff, they read books, they did other things. And parents don't know that they can do that. So I didn't know that, right, there's a lot of things that you can say, they're not going to this assembly, they're not going to see this talk about suicide, they're not going to see this demonstration of alternative sexual abuse, they aren't going to take these tests. I wish parents knew they didn't have to, the kids didn't have to take the tests and, and you can really opt out of quite a few things at the schools. And you can even say that I would like my child to do more of their work on pencil and paper, and I want them to have an actual book. And that was another thing that I ran for school board on was, I would like to decrease the amount of technology our kids are exposed to at school, I want to give them a book, I want them to write on a piece of paper, I want to teach them cursive. I want to get back to what humans have always done well with, which is touching things and different ways to put that input into your brain. I think

Dr. Paul  26:09  
you should go back on the school board and you sound like amazing. I love all the points you're making. So you were already seeing mental health challenges in kids even before COVID hit. And then I think we sure saw so much anxiety was the biggie, fear and anxiety and panic disorder. And yes, add ADHD and all of that. What have you seen since the pandemic? And what's our solution? How do we move forward because this is our world now. Yeah.

Dr Christine White  26:40  
And luckily, I will say once the kids got to go back to school, the majority of them definitely came out of the worst of that anxiety and depression. But there are kids that have been permanently changed by marinating in that fear that we marinated in for so long, watching CNN or Fox or whatever your news was, and seeing the numbers, and maybe you were a scared kid, but maybe your parents were also scared. And so you just became very fearful. And I think some kids will not be able to rewire that teaching, I think that they are permanently different. Luckily, the majority of them have had significant improvement. But probably everybody, most of them have a little bit of a change in their brain. And that will stick with them as far as what we need to do to decrease the mental health epidemic that we have, which was really which was there before COVID. But it has has worsened. And I think also is getting more press time. Again, it's not one thing, it's like how do we get into this mess, how you get out of it, as you look at all the different factors that go into it. It is first of all, a healthy lifestyle, which is nutrition, sleep, exercise outside time, limiting drastically electronics, helping your kids learn how to deal with stress. So it's first of all, at the base of it all is a healthy lifestyle, which that can really fix, I would say 90 to 95% of the problems that we do have with our health. What are we doing as a society? But I think we have to also look at what are we doing as parents in our homes? Are we on our phones all the time? Are we making sure that we keep technology out of the come home from school hours to the bedtime hours? Are we focused on our kids? Are we talking to our kids? Are we making a family meal a priority as many nights a week as we can? are we limiting the number of activities our kids are in so we can prioritize a family meal. You don't need to be in for sports. You don't need to be eating in the car. You need to be eating with your family and talking about things and building that connection so that when something stressful comes up, you have that base and when your family is there for you. We need to be looking at how do we teach parents if you see something, how to recognize it, and where to get help, after you've also fixed all these other things, I think, but really at the basis of it. I really think cell phones and access of cell phones is probably one of the two or three biggest reasons that we're in the state we're in right now. Because Multiple studies have shown when kids are on cell phones for hours a day, they become more isolated, they become more anxious, they're more likely to become depressed. Kids should be interacting with other humans. In person. Kids should be going outside and playing with their friends. Kids should be driving in their car to Sonic in to eat unhealthy food with their friends when they're 16. That's what human brains learn and thrive on. They don't thrive on this on your phone. That is bad for our brains. And oh my goodness, I have kids that are in fourth grade. At my old practice. I had kids that were fourth grade and I'm like, Oh, is that your mom's cell phone? And they're like, No, it's mine. And I'm like, Oh, is it? Does it actually have service? Oh, yeah. Uh huh. It's fully functional like smartphone. And so I've for probably eight or 10 years, I've been telling parents do not get your kid a cell phone until they're at least in ninth grade, bare minimum. And then you limit the social media they have access to. And you put rules on this, and you put rules on video games, I love the families that are like, no video games Monday through Thursday, when in a very small amount on the weekends, you set your life up so that you live kind of old school, I lived in the 70s, my mom would feed us Cheerios, or cinnamon toast. And she gave us like two bucks. And we me and my brother would take off on our bikes. And we would go with our posse of friends. And we go to the creek, and we go to Quick Trip and play video games and eat red licorice. And it was awesome. We come home in time for dinner. And I mean, it was great. And she didn't know where we were, but we were fine. And we had Atari and play that for 12 minutes, but it was not the same. And that is what kids need. That is how to raise a good human. Yeah,

Dr. Paul  31:06  
I would add that our world in our environment, as you talked about at the beginning, has become so toxic in terms of pesticides, herbicides, and what's in the food in the water that in addition to all the lifestyle things you mentioned, it's vital. every chance you get every opportunity to go organic, avoid pesticides and herbicides, they're so toxic, it just adds this huge burden on us. But I love everything else you highlighted. And then of course, from my work, I think you have to consider vaccines, a very big toxin. It's not that we're not going to get into that debate here. But it's just an acceptance and awareness that it is a choice that you need to consider. Yes, I agree. Wonderful. You've summed up everything so beautifully. I'm going to have you have spent a few minutes with Diddy. So you guys can have that woman to woman talk and put an exclamation point on this interview. I was so nice getting to know you, Christine. All right. Thank you very much. And if you had to have your last thought for our audience, what do you think's the most important thing for them going forward,

Dr Christine White  32:09  
the most important thing going forward is to know what you believe. And to be willing to stand up for what you believe. Because what happened the last four years is not an isolated event. And with the World Health Organization's pandemic treaty, or agreement, or whatever they want to call it these days. COVID was a dress rehearsal. And you need to know your values and your beliefs and what you want for your children. And you need to start building a group of people that you trust to learn from to get help from. And you need to do that now. So that when it is needed, you have it.

Dr. Paul  32:51  
Beautiful. Thank you. All

Dr Christine White  32:53  
right. Thank you so much. Okay.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  32:54  
Hi, Dr. Christine. Thanks for being willing to join me and talk about some personal things. Yeah. First of all, I'm going to name you Dr. supermom, after listening to that interview, oh, my gosh, I'm just so excited for you. So I was PTO president for years always room, mom, all those things. But I'm just a mom. And during that time, I think that's the thing is, gosh, I'm listening to you talk to him. And I'm like a pediatrician running for the school board, understanding our kids. Oh, my gosh, every board should. That would be incredible. I met it for Dr. Paul for never doing that. Oh, but the difficult part is, I would think to like you said, you had to choose what's important at that time. And that's what stopped you from doing the school board race. Because we do have to think about our own personal lives and our choices. But you made a comment, which is I always asked if you can do things differently. What would you do now? And you said, so talk to a pediatrician or a mom out there who has this amazing information and wants to run for the for a school board. But they are fearful. What do you say to them?

Dr Christine White  34:07  
Unfortunately, in our current culture, you have to look at yourself financially and see, okay, it's not if it's when they come at you, and they can be either side. I'm not saying it's one side of the other. But when they come at you, and it gets dirty, and he gets threatening, and it can be scary. And do you think that you can go the course. Do you think that you your family can tolerate what is going to come? Do you think that you personally can tolerate it? Do you think you financially can tolerate it? What is your level of tolerance for that? Because unfortunately, it's typically not made about the issue. It's it's made about something else that makes a wonderful soundbite and it gets this story into the paper. And so I haven't had a lot of people reach out to me that want to run. And my first question is always, what is your job? And what is your spouse's job? And how strong are your children? Because unfortunately, that's what it boils down to, you can have a wonderful candidate who just gets destroyed, who really truly is going to do things is going to help children, but they don't want the other stuff that comes with you. And they will do their best to keep you out of there. And

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  35:30  
our choices, that's something that I first of all, how old are you? Do you have all four girls? Or do you have a boy and they're all girls, they're

Dr Christine White  35:36  
19 to 25.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  35:38  
Okay, that's the other thing. My son's will be 25 this year, too. And when you're in it, though, when they're in school, they do suffer some of the consequences for what we say and what we speak up. Yeah. And I think that's the tricky part is, once they're out of school, why would we run and go to anything on the school board? Our child's not in there. Right. But so I think you should go ahead and run for school board. I think you should get your butt in there. You don't your kids aren't going to suffer now. Yeah. So I think that's that's is the hard part writer stayed home from my son stayed home from school, and to stay home from school for two weeks, because they were giving all the kids the h1 in one shot. That was a live virus. My, my dad who lived with us at the time, couldn't be exposed to that. So writers stayed home. I wasn't giving writer shots at that point. Anyway. So writer had to stay home when writer went back into school, three of the kids came up to him and said, Wow, bullying him and teasing him and say, Wow, that must be sad that your mom doesn't love you enough to give you that vaccine. Yeah. Luckily, my child sofa has learned how to stand up for his rights and said, I'm sorry that your mom didn't love you enough to keep you home and protect you. That's the thing. But if the kids if Ryder wasn't strong enough to stand up to that they do suffer. Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to put that out there. So speaking out can be risky. And now do you still? Do you feel like you still have to be very careful with what you say?

Dr Christine White  37:04  
I how you share? Yeah, I think you still have to be careful. Because in every state, people can make a complaint to the board of healing arts against you. And they're not your patient, and you've never treated them. They just don't like your political views. And then you get to defend that. And so unfortunately, you have to you have to self censor to some degree, if you want to continue to practice medicine. Yes.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  37:35  
And that's why I feel like there are a lot of amazing pediatricians like you out there. But it's not advertised, like people always say, How do I find somebody, you have to be careful where you put yourself how you advertise yourself? Right? So one of my other questions is, do you feel comfortable educating that vaccines aren't safe and effective in your practice? Or do you have to be very careful how you say it even to your own patients, the

Dr Christine White  37:59  
things you don't have to have any opinions about anything. And when you are giving informed consent, you can give informed consent, you can get out the package insert and go through the package insert, you can get out, you can have copies of studies that you send to them. And you can give them information about the benefits of vaccines, especially for certain people, and the risks of vaccines as much as we know them. And that is all part of informed consent. Unfortunately, in our day and age, in pediatrics, especially, most appointments are 15 minutes long. Even We're five minutes of that the nurse is taking vitals and doing all that stuff and putting the patient's note in, and then you get in there and now you're down to nine or 10 minutes. You don't have time to go through informed consent. And so you hand them the the iOS forums and you say, Do you have any questions? And that's informed consent, informed consent? That is not informed consent. Unfortunately, a lot of pediatricians actually don't know the risks of vaccines. I didn't know the risk of vaccines until the last few years. And I'm not saying that there is not a benefit to vaccines. But I think that every vaccine should be looked at for when is it the most benefit for that individual patient? And are there risk factors specific to this child? And so that is all part of informed consent. If I have a family that does mission trips to Pakistan, where they still have polio, that's a different conversation than somebody that is a homebody and lives in Overland Park, Kansas, and never goes outside of a 12 mile radius. It's a different lifestyle. Their risk factors are different. If I have a mom that's helped be positive, and she's delivering a baby, that's a different conversation than a mom who's happy be negative. And so I always tell them the benefits of vaccines. And I always tell them, these are the risks that we know of. And then we talk more. So I'm not making anything up. I am stating facts that is either written by the CDC, or by a published article.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  40:21  
I guess that's where my question comes in, is the CDC isn't always telling you everything, right? Because the CDC says it's safe, that hep B is given to babies at birth. So my question is, it's not safe to give hep B at birth to an A non happy mom, do you? When you just said the benefit of the vaccine? Do you say that there's absolutely no benefit to giving a child that hep B vaccine at birth.

Dr Christine White  40:45  
So what I say is, there are a few different ways to get hep B, you can contract hep B, coming through an infected birth canal, you can contract hep B through the sharing of dirty needles with IV drugs, you can contract hep B through sexual activity with someone who's happy positive, you can contract hep B if you live closely in a household, or in a close knit neighborhood, with people who are hep B positive, because you do run the risk over time of having some blood exposure. And so if you live in a high risk household or community, there's potentially more benefit to you. So I asked parents, do you have any of these risk factors? And and then I say your baby's risk for Hepatitis B is extremely low. Here's the iOS form. And here's what the CDC says. And do you have any questions? So I don't, again, I don't make a decision for a parent, because it's the parents choice. I will provide information you can ask me any question, I am not going to make the decision for you. I will give you information. Oftentimes, when people do a little more digging, and then start to ask questions and start to look into things themselves. And know they have some time to look at it. And that ultimately the choice is theirs. They start to say, Well, why am I why would I give my newborn this heavy shot, I don't see a benefit to that. Maybe before my child is 16. Maybe before they think about having sex, maybe then I think about it because 40 to 50% of people lose their hep B antibodies before they turn 16 or 17. So right when they need the antibodies, a decent percentage of them have lost them. I'm not saying hep B vaccine doesn't have a role to play. But it has a role to play when you are engaging in those high risk behaviors. So maybe mid teens, and then you have that antibody to carry you through for 10 to 15 years, until you hopefully get married and have one partner. So does that answer the question?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  42:51  
But again, now I'm going to now I'm going to play devil's advocate a little bit. So you're saying that you're doing so you? Do you feel like you have to present it that way? Because to protect yourself?

Dr Christine White  43:06  
I feel like I don't know that I have to is not the word I would use. I do present it that way. Because that is full informed consent. It is not fair of me to say, here's all the negatives of vaccines, that is not informed consent, that is one side of the picture. And to truly have informed consent, you would know all sides of the discussion. And it's not right to only present one side.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  43:36  
No, that's the thing, though. I'm what I'm referring to is the way that you said it, you were really only presenting one side, in my opinion, it's that unless you're in these verses, I didn't hear anything about the risks of giving that vaccine to that baby, the amount of aluminum in it. And in the brain and all those things. There's unless mom has helped me in a positive, there's absolutely no reason the risk is so high that these children and I waited. Luckily it came out to some new year my son was born. And it was our pediatrician that said, Yeah, this is fresh. This is new. You don't have happy, let's just let's wait is what she said. Like you just said maybe it's beneficial at 10 years. So the pediatrician talked I didn't know Dr. Paul at the time. And pediatrician talked writer into getting in writer asked me and he's Yeah, I don't want to get this. She just told me what this was. So he got it and I almost lost my child. He was severely depressed and his body just his brain couldn't handle the amount of aluminum in it, even as a teenager. To me I'm like, Wow, I'm glad I didn't give it at first I probably lost my child. So I guess that's the thing is, are you going to present both sides? Are you going to explain the aluminum in there or do you feel like you can't do that because that puts you at risk kill?

Dr Christine White  44:50  
No, no, I can do that because that is part of the information that they need. And that is part that we go through when we have the package insert there. First and we go through, okay, here's the ingredient list. And then parents will be like, Why is that in there? And I explained why aluminum is used as an adjuvant, and I explain what other things we know aluminum is capable of doing as far as negative side effects. And then we go through the other ingredients that are in there. And we can talk about what are these, therefore? And what are the potential side effects of those? Yes, it is. That is also part of the discussion. Oh, yeah.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  45:27  
Yep. Thanks for clarifying that. Because that's that is the issue is that it does have to be both sides. And both sides have to be very honest to that. But it's just like saying that the benefit of like you said, the benefit of polio, maybe if you're going to another country, but there's no benefit for it here. And making sure that we share with these parents, that deaths do occur from the vaccine reactions, injuries, all those things so that they can understand both sides. And I'm sure what you do very well, because you're very kind and loving, and I can absolutely feel that is to be compassionate, and when they're concerned or they're worried you're gonna be able to just be there and listen, do you ever say if it were my child?

Dr Christine White  46:14  
Yes. Okay. Yes. That's, that's,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  46:16  
I'm just curious. So were your kids vaccinated? Yes.

Dr Christine White  46:20  
Because I wasn't aware of both sides of the story until about two years ago. So yes, my kids are, were fully vaccinated. Up till college. Okay.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  46:34  
And that's, I'm just asking, because I think it's important for people to know that all of Dr. Paul's kids were same thing. We're fully vaccinated as a pediatrician, nothing's gonna change anything, you are educated to believe that vaccines are safe and effective. So knowing what you know, now, would you vaccinate your children? If you were just having them? Because you're really young enough? You could have some more?

Dr Christine White  46:55  
Okay, I would do it very differently. I would I would look at their risk factors for each individual vaccine. And I would decide for each vaccine for each child. What does the benefit outweigh the risk for this vaccine? So yes, I would do it differently if I had to do again.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  47:18  
Okay. Yeah. And that's the thing, too, I think when parents are concerned, I don't believe that pediatricians feel like they can say, if you're really concerned, hold off, don't vaccinate right now. Your babies at home, you're safe. You're not traveling. You don't have to vaccinate. And I think that's where the risky part comes in is I believe, parents need to know that they don't have to vaccinate her as they feel like they do. And it's too risky for a pediatrician to say that to them. Do you ever find yourself in that dilemma that maybe some of these parents shouldn't be vaccinating?

Dr Christine White  47:50  
I'm let me say something else about your your point here. Okay, a lot of pediatricians do truly believe that vaccines are the most amazing thing that we have to offer to our patients. Yep. And I wouldn't say that's what I believed, five, six years ago. But I thought that they were part of how to keep the child healthy. But truly in pediatrics, vaccines are like our Bible. And you believe it, it is a religion almost. And and you were taught it by people that you trusted and that you knew for years, your attending, you loved your attending, you looked up to them. And I don't think those attendings did anything wrong. I don't think that they knew what I know. Now. They were taught a certain way. And they taught us a certain way. And and we all believe we were doing what was right. But what in order to see the other side of that coin, you do have to do a deep dive and you do have to go and find the literature and find the studies and find the podcast and find the books and take the courses and spend hundreds of hours to educate yourself. And not everybody wants to go there. Nope. Some people have little kids. I don't have time. Okay, that's good that some people don't want to know what they don't know. Because they don't want to think that they've done something. Maybe that's not ideal for children. Some people may not want to know for financial reasons. No. Let's

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  49:11  
touch on that one real quick. Do you think that is part of it? Because pediatricians who do not vaccinate, lose a lot of money for a lot of reasons and then lose in in Dr. Paul's case lose into insurance contracts. Right? Is that do you think that's a bigger piece of it than time even?

Dr Christine White  49:27  
I don't. I truly don't think and again, I could be being naive. But I truly don't think that the reason most pediatricians are so pro vaccine is because they want to get a certain insurance payout or hit a certain bonus level. I really don't think that's the underlying push behind it for Most pediatricians. I really believe it's because in their hearts they believe that it is the best way to protect children from infectious seizes. And they truly believe that they are safe. So,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  50:05  
yeah, I'm gonna add, I was right, you're beautiful and you're loving and you're naive. So what I want to point out with that is I don't think those doctors personally think about financial aspect. But many of these clinics, it's not just about them. And if they don't vaccinate, and it's not that they're pushing vaccines, but if they start having Dr. Paul a practice, and I've heard this so many times, and so many pediatricians, if they have a practice where they don't vaccinate, they do lose those insurances, and then they can't survive that way. It has to be a totally different model. If you're not vaccinating, it's different. So if you've got a couple of pediatricians in an office that are, quote, supporting many households based on all the employees they have, I think they do have to think that way. And it's not a bad thing. They you have to take care of yourself and other people.

Dr Christine White  50:59  
I so swayed or your way to knife, I guess I at the base of it, I believe most humans are innately good and kind. And I will try to give the benefit of the doubt. And I've known my partners, some of them for over 20 years. And I think that they are good people, and they do want to take care of kids. But I see your point, too. I guess I'll stick with my view.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  51:24  
And I was the same way. I was absolutely the same way until I kept thinking there's no way that it's this thing, then meaning natural policy and what's happened and other pediatricians and people like yourself who have had to step out of that in order to practice the way they want to practice. That, to me just says and it's not, I don't know that they sit and lay in bed and think about how much money they're gonna lose. I think it's that you're right. They do believe in the vaccines, and they can't change that narrative. So that's my next question. How do we change indoctrination? Because Don't you have to, for pediatricians to learn the right way? The ones who are in school? What has to happen to change that, in your opinion? Or will it ever change this?

Dr Christine White  52:08  
This actually might go back to what you were just arguing for? It almost I think we'll have to be financial at the base of it. I think it will have to be that the practices that kick people out, and will not allow any kind of an alternative schedule, we'll have to see that they are losing patients by the dozens or hundreds, and start to think, wow, two years ago, my schedule was full. And now I'm not. And what's behind that. And then you start looking at why are we losing hundreds of patients, because patients don't trust us anymore. Right when patients will forego medical care in order to be able to care for their kids the way they want to. As I'm getting new patients in this practice. People call me and they're like, I'm not anti Vax. I just want to be able to talk to somebody and have them talk to me and give me advice. And be honest with me. I'm not anti Vax. And I'm like, that's fine. I'm not anti Vax, either, or I'm just Ohio wrote questions and pro choice of let's, let's look at it. And I think that it will involve them taking a hit to their bottom line. And they say, Wow, the demographic has really changed. And we've lost 30% of our patients. I tried for the last two years to educate my partners, I would bring articles or bring things up. And I could not get my camels nose under the tent. It was not, it was not going to happen. And I was not pushy, I didn't bring eight articles, I'd bring one and I say, Hey, can we talk about this at our Monday meeting? And we would talk about it in a very cursory way, but it wasn't. It was like, oh, that's Christine. That's that she'd bring it. This sounds very familiar, I'm sure for Dr. Paul. Yeah, and I have tried that way. The other thing that I will say is, and this kind of builds on the patient's might be the ones that change this. I'm in a group with four other doctors here in Kansas City, we named ourselves doctors for truth. And we give talks around Kansas City and outline areas about what happened during COVID. And the basics of COVID. And the basics of the science of it. And then also the basics of the the censorship that went on. And then we talk about the HU treaty and what's coming up and what can you do politically to try to get your views heard and what can you do to protect your family? And a lot of these events, there's two other people and so if, wow, these people are hearing this, then they talk to one or two other people, then it starts to get out there and I'm just hoping as people are more more educated that they start to vote with their feet Eat?

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  55:00  
Yep. Man. That's the thing. And I've said that all along. I totally agree with you that it's once people realize that yeah, I'm gonna get kicked. And we coach Dr. Paul coaches, these families. And we will say that is that, again, it's your choice, whether or not you vaccinate. And if somebody's going to kick you out of your practice for your choices, you don't want to be there anyway. Because what if your choice for treatment on something else they disagree with? That's not the kind of person that should be in have your child's health is obviously not number one for their concern. So we'll tell them leave, go somewhere else. And I believe the same way is at some point, they're gonna have to realize that you have to at least honor that informed consent both sides and let parents make the choice. Yeah, I've taken a lot of time, but I could talk to you forever. I wanted a girl and I got one boy. So if I can trade and I can get a girl out of that'd be awesome.

Dr Christine White  55:54  
granddaughters. Oh,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  55:57  
probably just irritate him. I don't know. They're not even sure yet. But you know what? That's a really good point. Actually, I'm going to take another minute. Writer disagrees with vaccines completely, because he's vaccine injured, didn't get the shots for COVID, and all of that. So have you talked to your children? Are they these girls are coming up there? I don't know if you have any grandkids yet or not. But have you talked to them about? Are they in on this? Do they understand vaccines?

Dr Christine White  56:28  
They have seen my transition? I'm very passionate about everything I do. I don't do anything halfway. I learn it down to the nitty gritty detail. And I think that they think sometimes I go a little overboard, and that's okay. They actually have a term for it is called typical mama behavior or TMB. I do I if I'm gonna learn something and be knowledgeable about it, I am going to know everything I can. And because I only want to tell people things that I know. And so they were during the COVID thing, I counseled them all I said, you guys, I really am very concerned about this new technology, I You all are very healthy kids, you are low risk, there is no reason that you as an individual, need to get a COVID vaccine. And they understood that there three of them have been in college during this time, and they have withstood it. And then my oldest one is she has a real job. And she has had to she's in the medical field. She's a salesperson, and she has had to go up to stand up for herself repeatedly to be able to keep her job. And yes, they understand my views on the COVID vaccine. And the oldest one is she's old enough. Now she's starting to she's starting to think about when I have kids, what a How am I going to do that and starting to think about eating healthy and making sure her body is as healthy as it can be. And part of that she knows is what vaccines should I be getting now or when I'm pregnant or when I have the kid. And I will give her a copy of Dr. Paul's book when

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  58:07  
it comes out. Actually, vaccine friendly plan. I also says I think sets don't get any shots when you're pregnant.

Dr Christine White  58:14  
Yeah, the vaccine friendly book, The first one is great. And she could read that. And the kids I think, are starting to look at everything very critically and think about it before they just do it. And not just vaccines, but they have learned to look at everything and question everything. And I'm very happy for that, that we don't always look at things the same way. But they are becoming better thinkers. Right.

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  58:36  
And then as they get older to, and especially when another life is dependent on their decisions. I'm glad that they have you. And Dr. Paul's always also sometimes people don't listen to their own parents. Dr. Paul would also, I'm sure love to talk to them, because that is tough writers made a decision that he absolutely wouldn't vaccinate his children. And you have to make sure that your partner is the same. We hear a lot about families who yes, they were all on board with no vaccines. But when something happens in the marriage, and they get a divorce, then one of them decides you know what I want to vaccinate, and that's who the court gives the children too. And so hearing that over and over again, I think it's really important that our kids make those stands before they have children. And that's part of that conversation.

Dr Christine White  59:21  
Yeah, I hadn't really thought about that. Well, we'll new lab. Oh, my gosh, I

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  59:26  
know. So if you ever want to know more about that stuff. We're we're there for you. Thank you so much for your time. Oh my gosh, I really appreciate it and you are supermom you're very loving and kind and that's definitely going to be something that serves a lot of your families.

Dr Christine White  59:41  
Thank you very much. It was great talking to you. I need to actually talk to the person that's on the computer. Who does all the scheduling. You're like a celebrity or manager. Oh,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  59:51  
that's funny. Thank you know, whatever. My claim to fame is coaching Dr. Paul through all his crazy So that's that's what puts me on the map. I

Dr Christine White  1:00:02  
understand I have a nurse that works with me here, Ashley. And yes, she keeps me like on the straight and narrow. Yay. Thanks again, Christine. All right, thank you. Bye bye,

DeeDee Hoover LMT, PMT, CCT  1:00:13  
bye

Hey, everyone, it's me DD and I'm coming to you from my soul. I want to talk about compassion, compassion, when I hear people talking about it, compassion to me is the ability to really sink in to who we are. Compassion, I believe is something that comes from our soul. I believe it's hard to have compassion if we have so much going on around us. So we're start thinking about all the what ifs and the shoulds and the Quds and the woods, whereas when we are compassionate, we're deep within ourselves. And we connect, and we realize that spiritually and soulfully, the way that we're able to be compassionate and understand each other, and what they're going through, is just to truly have faith over fear. And understand that other people's opinions and different things made us different from ours. And like our talk today with Christine, she's so compassionate, she's so understanding, and she's there for her patients and a pediatrician that's able to do that. I believe that's a pediatrician who's very connected with their soul and understands that compassion is being totally present. Thanks for watching.

Dr. Paul  1:01:44  
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