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With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 175: Pediatric Perspectives:Vaccinating the Immunocompromised with Brian Hooker PhD
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• Dr. Paul: 40.97%

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• Brian Hooker, Ph.D.: 59.03%

 
00:00:40:28 - 00:01:05:39
Dr. Paul
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00:01:05:53 - 00:01:16:16
Dr. Paul
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00:01:16:16 - 00:01:42:30
Dr. Paul
Good morning PhD. Welcome to Pediatric Perspectives where we are looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking. One that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. I'm your host, Doctor Paul, and I am honored to have with us someone many of you know well, Doctor Brian Hooker. We are going to cover today the very interesting topic of the risk of vaccinating the immunocompromised.
 
00:01:42:31 - 00:01:45:52
Dr. Paul
So welcome, Brian. It's so great to have you on the show.
 
00:01:45:56 - 00:02:03:08
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Thank you so much, Paul. It's good to see you again. We saw each other at a conference I a month or a month and a half ago, and it was so awesome to be able to, to hang out with you. So much, so much fun with that, mAbs, I can't remember. Yes. Okay.
 
00:02:03:13 - 00:02:06:29
Dr. Paul
And it felt like it was a couple of weeks ago, but I guess you're right. It's over a month ago.
 
00:02:06:29 - 00:02:09:12
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Yeah, yeah. Time flies. Right?
 
00:02:09:17 - 00:02:31:24
Dr. Paul
So I am excited to to cover a topic with you that I don't think well covered. At all, and that the fact of what to do with regards to vaccinating the immunocompromised. And we're going to start with a a little bit of a story that is out there that you know a lot about that of the unfortunate young lady Alexis Lorenza.
 
00:02:31:29 - 00:02:53:03
Dr. Paul
And this has been covered on, HDTV. It's been covered in their, online journal, The Defender. So people who want more details, but basically this young lady and you can fill in in a moment here, Brian, this young lady was compelled to take three vaccines before the California hospital she was in, would treat her for her rare autoimmune condition, and she had almost immediate within.
 
00:02:53:03 - 00:03:12:03
Dr. Paul
I think it was within ten minutes, serious side effects that included temporary blindness, severe swelling, bruising over her entire body, especially her head and face and, chest. And she's still battling for her life. Tell us a little bit, maybe a brief update of of, her story.
 
00:03:12:08 - 00:03:32:44
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Right? Right. Well, when, Alexis entered the hospital, she was being qualified to get a transfusion for her condition. Her condition is called proximal nocturnal. Hemoglobin. Globin in your area. I'm sorry I had a hard time getting that out. Yeah, that's.
 
00:03:32:44 - 00:03:36:16
Dr. Paul
One I've never seen a case of PNH proximal.
 
00:03:36:20 - 00:04:00:49
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
I'm going to call it PNH. It is? Yeah, the genetic mutation. And usually it is one of those spontaneous mutations that we call a de novo mutation. But she had she has this disorder. Okay. So it makes her immuno compromised. Just at the very beginning. But they were going to give her a therapy, to help with the disorder.
 
00:04:00:49 - 00:04:38:36
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
She was having some side effects, like headaches from the disorder. And they were going to give her a monoclonal antibody therapy called Solaris. And, Solaris requires that you take two vaccines. Meningococcal A and meningococcal B, or they actually recommend they do not require. And I'm and I'm glad that they didn't require. But the hospital required that Alexis not only get meningococcal A and meningococcal B but also Haemophilus influenza B, which absolutely makes no sense whatsoever to get those and those particular vaccines.
 
00:04:38:41 - 00:05:20:59
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And so when she got these vaccines within ten minutes she developed very, very severe headache. Just excuse radiating headache. She was screaming and crying for pain. She really couldn't get anybody in the hospital staff to, to even respond to you know, this excruciating pain that she was going through. And then she ended up, you know, with partial blindness, she developed horrific bruises all over her body, and it looked like she had, acquired very, very quickly something called, TTP, which is, thrombotic thrombocytopenia purpura.
 
00:05:21:04 - 00:05:45:19
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And it causes, clotting within the micro circulatory system. And, you know, just to see pictures of her, she was absolutely covered with bruises. She had one bruise that started, at her eyelids. It went all the way up to her forehead. It was a deep, deep purple bruise. And, you know, I was working with different hematologists across the country.
 
00:05:45:19 - 00:06:14:02
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
I was, communicating with, Nurse Angela Wilbur, who is, colleague of Steve Curtis, who was helping with her case. And, you know, we were trying to get some type of relief, but the hospital itself denied that it was vaccine injury, denied that there was any relationship with the vaccine and was treating her for parvovirus, which, you know, it just it made very, very little sense what they were doing.
 
00:06:14:07 - 00:06:38:16
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
But fortunately, they gave her, they should have been doing, plasma, replacement therapy, but they were giving her transfusions. And with the transfusions, they were able to start to control the TTP. It's not as effective as plasma. Replacement, but, she is doing much, much better now.
 
00:06:38:21 - 00:07:06:28
Dr. Paul
Yeah. Well, I was watching some of the videos with, Alexis herself making a plea. Making a plea to the to the world. Make sure that you do your research. And we don't want this to happen to anybody else. So I want to sort of pivot a little bit because to that effect, I mean, this whole issue of vaccines, you've recently published a book that you coauthored, with, RFK Jr.
 
00:07:06:33 - 00:07:28:40
Dr. Paul
Called Vaxed unvaccinated. And, I mean, I've read that book twice through. It's an easy read. It's got great graphics for people who want to get some real information on vaccines. But just for the healthy people out there, let's talk a little bit about what you've learned and, and put into that book, vaccine, vaccine. What did you find regarding vaccine safety overall?
 
00:07:28:40 - 00:07:34:24
Dr. Paul
And then at the end of that discussion, we'll pivot into, you know, the immune compromised individual.
 
00:07:34:29 - 00:08:06:01
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Well, as a as a sort of opening statement, vaccine safety has been woefully understudied. There are no long term safety studies that the government has sponsored on vaccination, and certainly none that look at unvaccinated cohorts and, completely unvaccinated populations. And when we did the book VAX and VAX, RFK Jr and myself, we found independent studies where this type of analysis had been done.
 
00:08:06:01 - 00:08:38:44
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And again, you know, it was it was independent. There were a few studies that the government had done. But, you know, the the results that we were after looking at, the unvaccinated were generally buried. So, you know, you really had to dig through these publications to see that. Yeah. In fact, the unvaccinated were faring much, much better. The vaccinated, were doing less well and were acquiring more, chronic conditions as well as more susceptibility to infections.
 
00:08:38:44 - 00:08:48:05
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
You know, that that actually belied that. We were compromising the immune system through, multiple vaccinations.
 
00:08:48:10 - 00:09:14:23
Dr. Paul
Yeah. My own study in my practice showed similar and I know you're aware of that. It's incredible. The unvaccinated have a robust natural immune system, and they are much they fare much better against all types of infections. So I mean, we're going to come back to more of your data that's in your book. But to put that in the context of Alexis's case with PNH, so she has this underlying thing, immune problem.
 
00:09:14:34 - 00:09:39:55
Dr. Paul
Right. So she, she's, it's known that in people in that condition apparently are at greater risk for especially meningococcal disease, which is why they're saying, well, you should get that vaccine, but I, I did a deep dive trying to find some data. All I could find was, one summary of three out of 261 cases of people with PNH and three out of those two, 61 developed serious sepsis.
 
00:09:39:55 - 00:09:54:01
Dr. Paul
Interesting. They were all vaccinated for meningococcal. The very thing that they were worried about sounds pretty similar to what you were writing about in your book, about the fact that those who are highly vaccinated are actually worse off.
 
00:09:54:05 - 00:10:21:48
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
I, I couldn't agree more. You know, the the the thing is, when you vaccinate, and this is germane to Alexis's case, there is a nonspecific immune burst. It's a nonspecific primarily in the innate immune system. Burst. And that can do some serious damage. In Alexis's case, there's an immune component called complement activation or the complement cascade.
 
00:10:21:53 - 00:10:53:13
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And the complement activation actually exacerbates, PNH and it will cause, hemolysis or lysis or breaking down of red blood cells. And it will also activate platelets, which causes all this clotting, all the clotting that occurred, as well as thrombocytopenia, you know, that leads to things like bleeding out and bruising. And so it it made really, really perfect sense what happened to Alexis.
 
00:10:53:17 - 00:11:14:29
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And it was astounding to me that there was any recommendation to vaccinate these individuals, because it's really plain as the nose on your face that once you start to vaccinate these individuals, you are going to have a very, very aggressive, nonspecific immune response for somebody that has a very, very fragile immune system.
 
00:11:14:34 - 00:11:18:46
Dr. Paul
Yeah, it seems like it should be contraindicated.
 
00:11:18:51 - 00:11:19:38
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Right.
 
00:11:19:43 - 00:11:38:10
Dr. Paul
As I was reading this, I thought of something. So when they do vaccine trials, because I, I've read so much on this and I know you have you've written the book, they select the healthiest of the healthiest, right. I mean, who do they allow to be vaccinated in their trials? It's not people with immuno deficiencies.
 
00:11:38:14 - 00:12:00:24
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
No, no, there are not. You know, you look at the clinical trials for even the Covid 19 vaccine, Covid 19 was much worse for those individuals that had co-morbidities, you know, that were elderly, had, you know, chronic disease, obese, things like that. And, you know, these were the very people that they were eliminating from the clinical trial.
 
00:12:00:24 - 00:12:27:12
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Well, it makes absolutely no sense if you're going to, you know, quote unquote, vaccinate everybody. Why don't you have everybody in your clinical trial, including pregnant women, which they vaccinated pregnant women very, very aggressively. And so, you know, by eliminating this, then, yeah, you know, you're really, you're putting your thumb on the scales to get these things approved and then to do really, really massive damage.
 
00:12:27:17 - 00:12:28:04
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Yeah.
 
00:12:28:09 - 00:12:51:35
Dr. Paul
It it feels to me and seems that our experts don't think critically. So if the vaccine research never includes the the group of the immunocompromised as Alexis situation was, how can you then just say, do this vaccine? It makes no sense to me.
 
00:12:51:40 - 00:13:26:16
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
It does make no sense unless you believe in magic. And I think that there is such, a mantra about vaccines being safe and effective that individuals that are prescribing these vaccines, I mean, you know, the, the, the manufacturers of Solaris, should be brought to criminal court for what they did because they, of all individuals should know better not to give vaccines or recommend vaccines to individuals who are immunocompromised.
 
00:13:26:16 - 00:13:50:32
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Until there was the antibody that she was supposed to receive and the and had the vaccine requirement. But but, you know, practitioners are not going to go through all the clinical trial data to see if this works. They see a vaccine. They, know the mantra because that's what they heard in medical school. And then, you know, it gets injected in arms or wherever.
 
00:13:50:37 - 00:14:04:22
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And then the fun begins. I mean, and by fun, I've, I've experienced that quote unquote fun personally myself. And it is not fun. It is, you know, it's it it can lead to a lifetime of horror.
 
00:14:04:27 - 00:14:38:02
Dr. Paul
Yeah. So to summarize what you wrote in your book, Vaccine VAX with regards to the safety trials that are woefully inadequate. They don't use placebos like saline placebos basically, at all. They don't look at all out health outcomes. The duration of follow up is very short, and they don't do vaxed and vax studies. So you can really get an understanding of what is really being caused from the vaccine as opposed to, you know, how clinically how do people do when they're unvaccinated.
 
00:14:38:07 - 00:14:41:47
Dr. Paul
The whole system is failing us.
 
00:14:41:52 - 00:15:07:13
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Right? It is failing us. And and it is such a bad science. I mean, you know, I think of it from a experimental design perspective. And one of the things that I've done in my career is a lot of experimental designs that you're trying to, prove or disprove a hypothesis, based on an observation or based on an experiment.
 
00:15:07:18 - 00:15:44:07
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And you would never do an observational trial the way that these trials are done. You know, it. It's, you know, and the conclusions that they come up with from these very, very poorly designed observational trials are like, you know, two plus two equals cat. You just can't come up with these conclusions. And so, they it's it's so it's so laughable from a scientific perspective is perspective that it's difficult to see somebody on the other side just call it science.
 
00:15:44:12 - 00:15:54:50
Dr. Paul
Yeah. Yeah. So for as far as the science goes on, the immunocompromised, is that something you've looked at at all when it comes to vaccines?
 
00:15:54:55 - 00:16:21:56
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
I've, I've looked a lot at individuals that have, different type of compromises. Even, you know, my own son, in hindsight, we did genetic testing on him to show, you know, what his deficiencies were, what his difficulties were. He was not immuno compromised, but he was immune. He was compromised in the role of, detoxification of different types of toxins.
 
00:16:21:56 - 00:16:46:24
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And so that was, you know, his methylation and salvation pathways. You know, are were extremely compromised. And you, you know, of course, you need both of those to be robust in order to tag toxins and to have them eliminated from your system. Immuno compromised is, you know, is much the same thing, that you've got a dysregulated immune system.
 
00:16:46:29 - 00:17:15:35
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And when you have that dysregulated fragile immune system, then it's very, very easy to disrupt the apple cart. And it's not it's not as simple as saying, oh, well, their immune system has backed off or their immune system isn't as robust. It's more appropriate to say that your immune system is just dysregulated. And and so if you push here, then you can have an, you know, here at step one, then you can have an unintended consequence at step 20.
 
00:17:15:40 - 00:17:17:36
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Yeah.
 
00:17:17:41 - 00:17:19:07
Dr. Paul
If so that.
 
00:17:19:07 - 00:17:20:13
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
The.
 
00:17:20:17 - 00:17:45:01
Dr. Paul
The population at large now is so immune compromised actually. Yeah. Due to, due to toxins due to. Yes. Like in your son's case, underlying genetic glitches. We'll call them. Right. The single nucleotide polymorphisms that all of us. Right. Many, many of them that put us at greater risk. And then the how toxic our world is. I worry now that we have more and more a higher percentage of our population is actually immune compromised.
 
00:17:45:01 - 00:18:06:33
Dr. Paul
They may not know it. And here's the dilemma I want to pose to you. So if I'm immune compromised, I cannot fight infections. Perhaps there's a greater chance that I'm going to be more vulnerable to infections. And there's some truth to that, right? Yes. If I'm immune compromised, I'm more vulnerable to infections in general.
 
00:18:06:35 - 00:18:30:44
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
You are more vulnerable because your immune system is not able to surveil the pathogens, the way that a normal immune system would. And so other infections that are going to come down the pike, that would, you know, most of the in systems would be able to fight off with any type of ramification as a symptom or a disease.
 
00:18:30:49 - 00:19:03:46
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Then you are going to have a much more difficult time, being able to fight off that infection. You know, I know that firsthand because my son is on immunosuppressant drugs. And so, you know, there are certain parts of his immune system that we're calming down because of autoimmunity. And, that really it does it creates a scenario that, the more infections that that he encounters, the, you know, the higher likelihood that he will get infected.
 
00:19:03:46 - 00:19:15:39
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
You know, I can bring something home from a business trip that I don't even know that I'm aware of. But then I exposed to him. Then he'll get an ear infection. He'll get, you know, an upper respiratory infection or whatever. Right.
 
00:19:15:44 - 00:19:42:12
Dr. Paul
So that brings me to part two of where I was going with this. Yes. If yes, as in the case of your son, or if I'm immune compromised myself for either because of drugs or or like in in Alexis's case, it was a genetic glitch that left her more vulnerable if I vaccinate. I mean, the theory that I conceptually understand why doctors think, well, we ought to vaccinate the immune compromised because they're most vulnerable.
 
00:19:42:17 - 00:19:48:26
Dr. Paul
But isn't it true that most of the vaccines don't really work if you're immune compromised?
 
00:19:48:31 - 00:20:20:37
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Most vaccines don't work if you're immune compromised. And what's worse is immune compromised is immune dysregulation. And so therefore you there are unintended consequences. And again, these vaccines have not been studied on the immunocompromised. And so, you know, it's sort of A12 punch. It's you know, it's it's not going to be effective. You're not going to get durable immunity from that vaccination.
 
00:20:20:50 - 00:20:27:23
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
And then it's never been tested. So you're a part of a grand medical experiment right.
 
00:20:27:28 - 00:20:53:50
Dr. Paul
You're actually potentially at greater risk of harm if you try to vaccinate while you're immune compromised. Like you said, we don't always know. But the interesting thing I've learned in doing this research, as you have, or maybe you understand the same concept, even though you might have, let's say, the inability to make antibodies, which is the the the way most mainstream doctors assess immunity, you know, do you have antibodies against this or that?
 
00:20:53:55 - 00:21:04:55
Dr. Paul
I've come to find out. And it kind of surprised me. But now I understand how immunity works. Doesn't surprise me. You can have no antibodies and still fight off infections just fine.
 
00:21:04:59 - 00:21:36:19
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
That is correct. You know, antibodies are one part, one portion of a really, really, perfectly and wonderfully made immune system that includes innate immune, responses. And then in the acquired immune arm, you not only have an antibody response through B cells, but you also have a killer response, cells that actually can kill infected cells and can directly kill pathogens through what's called a T cell response.
 
00:21:36:33 - 00:21:55:46
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
So when you look at it and when you look at the splice, that vaccines actually cover in, you know, stimulating the B cell system and then plasma cells to make antibodies, then it's, it's not, you know, it's it's certainly not the entire immune system. And then it's actually a small fraction of the immune system.
 
00:21:55:50 - 00:22:26:58
Dr. Paul
So I was curious, Brian, from what I could tell from the CDC and their statement about immunocompromised individuals, I found a statement that said nonlife vaccines might best be deferred during a period of altered immuno competence. And that's right on there. You know, cdc.gov vaccines, ACIp recommendations in general regarding immunocompromised, that doesn't seem to be what happened in Alexis's case.
 
00:22:27:02 - 00:22:47:54
Dr. Paul
You and I see this happening throughout my career. I'm retired now. I don't make medical recommendations. You and I are scientists. We're just talking and sharing information, but I. I see it happening all the time where people are required to get vaccines to get a transplant. They're required to get vaccines to get treated. Just as what happened for Alexis.
 
00:22:47:59 - 00:22:53:36
Dr. Paul
How do we change that sort of paradigm? Because I think it is highly destructive.
 
00:22:53:41 - 00:23:22:22
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
Well, the CDC talks out of both sides of its mouth. It, you know, and generally the tie, you know, goes to the vaccine being safe and effective. And so if you have one piece of CDC literature that says the vaccine isn't recommended for this population, you have another piece of CDC literature that, quite frankly, directly contradicts that, then they'll always just go with, oh, well, it's a vaccine.
 
00:23:22:22 - 00:23:58:54
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
It's magic. So it must be safe and effective. And and the messaging is, is so confusing and it's so lopsided and so one sided down to, you know, Mandy Cohen recommending that infants and children make sure we make sure that they get their Covid shot for a disease that gives them the sniffles, that, you know, we really we it's it's time to dismantle and overhaul these agencies that give us these these falsehoods that give us this misinformation because it's dangerous.
 
00:23:58:54 - 00:24:20:29
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
It's costing lives. You know, when individuals open their mouths like that and they make those recommendations and they cost somebody their life or, you know, their their livelihood or whatever, or their health, like in Alexis's case, they need to be called to the table, and we we just can't have this anymore.
 
00:24:20:34 - 00:24:44:16
Dr. Paul
Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more. I was I was looking at the package inserts for the meningococcal vaccines because that's what they were requiring her to get. And both for the ACA and the back. Sara the B from an India Congress, they have the statement increased risk of meningococcal invasive disease even if antibodies after vaccination. It's right there in their package inserts.
 
00:24:44:21 - 00:25:09:26
Dr. Paul
So they're already saying it doesn't look like vaccination is going to do anything to help. And then this in this instructive case, Alexis, I don't want your case to to be for not. You have suffered immensely. We're praying for you. We hope for a full recovery. There's a Go Fund Me page. I want people to donate. She is so brave and is fighting for her life day in and day out.
 
00:25:09:26 - 00:25:37:25
Dr. Paul
What? She's gone through, she's fighting now. You know, listening to her interview, she is fighting to make sure this doesn't happen to anybody else. So we're supporting you. Alexis. Thank you for hanging in there. Keep up the good fight. And, folks, go to the description of this video and donate to this gives and go. It is going right to support her work and her recovery and her very expensive hospitalization.
 
00:25:37:40 - 00:26:03:46
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
I can't thank you more for for doing that and and for and and your viewers for helping Alexis and Alexis and his family. You know, what she has gone through is, is, is absolutely horrific. It's untenable. We do not know what her life will be like going forward. Obviously, we're praying, you know, for and pushing for a full recovery.
 
00:26:03:51 - 00:26:29:11
Brian Hooker, Ph.D.
But she's so brave and she has, you know, hung in there in, in a situation where, where she, she was in critical risk of dying. She was in crisis. And so, you know, her spirit, her tenacity, her medical advocates working on her behalf. You know, I'm so glad that she's such a fighter. Yeah.
 
00:26:29:16 - 00:26:44:12
Dr. Paul
Absolutely. Well, thank you for watching, folks. Donate. If you can keep Alexis in your prayers. And, we'll look forward to seeing you next week.
 
00:26:49:31 - 00:27:15:25
Dr. Paul
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00:27:15:31 - 00:27:22:47
Dr. Paul
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