​With the Wind with Dr. Paul – Show 176: Pediatric Perspectives: Warning: Neurotoxins in Your Water with Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
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• Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD: 61.3%

 
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Dr. Paul
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Dr. Paul
Good morning. PhD. Welcome to Pediatric Perspectives, where we are looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking. One that's not afraid to give you the honest truth. I'm your host, Doctor Paul. Today we are covering fluoride. And my guest today is Doctor Griffin Kohl, who is an expert on the topic of fluoride.
 
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Dr. Paul
Welcome back to the show, Griffin.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
It's great to be back, Paul. Thank you.
 
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Dr. Paul
Thank you for coming back. So, I want to get to the big news on the legal front, but just before we, just spill the beans. What's the big picture? I was going to have you give us a review of fluoride, because I think there are. There's always a new viewer who's going. What? What's fluoride? So. Yeah.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Well, I mean, I'm sure we'll get to that. So let's do the big news and then Judge Edward Chen in a federal court in San Francisco ruled on behalf of the good guys being, before at Action Network, Food and Water watch and Moms against Four Nation. They sued the EPA. It's now been seven years, Paul. So it was a seven year court case.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Covid played a role in that. And also, judge wanted to wait for several NTP reports, National Toxicology Program, that's, that's a section of Health and Human Services our government. So they came out with their fourth report. And in all these years, and it just confirmed once again, that babies born to moms who drink for their water have lower IQ and brain impairments as compared to those babies who were born and moms who didn't ingest for dead water.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it's a huge factor. It's unprecedented. We've never had a judge ever rule in favor of us and against water fluoridation. So it's huge.
 
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Dr. Paul
That is huge. Folks, let me take you back in time. So I am now a retired pediatrician. I don't diagnose or treat anymore. I'm just educating. And Doctor Griffith Cole, young enough, he's probably going to practice for another century. But, when I was in medical school, it was hammered into us as well. Actually, pediatric residency training is when we really got hammered.
 
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Dr. Paul
You have to give fluoride. If you didn't write a prescription for fluoride tablets for your patient, you were providing suboptimal care. And of course, the municipalities I think you know the statistics graphic, but I think it's most cities are fluoridated their water.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. 75% of the cities in our country we provide fluoridated water to more human beings than the rest of the world combined.
 
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Dr. Paul
Wow. And here we are giving a neurotoxin that is actually impairing the IQ of our kids. And this, you know, you mentioned this landmark legal case, which is awesome, but you've been on top of this information for decades, a couple decades, I think.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Right? Three decades.
 
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Dr. Paul
Three decades of of what are we doing here, folks? This is a neurotoxin. Here's the science. It's massive. And yet pediatricians are still pushing fluoridation. I know pediatric dentists, a lot of them. Right. You're in the dental field. What's happening in your field?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah a lot. You know, there's a lot of pushback right now. Obviously from mainstream dentistry. The Ada is they just came out yesterday with an article saying that despite this ruling, we still say it's safe and effective. And it's just the same old rhetoric over and over again. None of the EPA experts disagreed with the fact that fluoride is a neurotoxic, and they all agreed to that.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So that to me was alone like a huge point. And I think that really hit hard on Judge Chen because he said in his ruling, probably the strongest words were fluoridation at current levels poses an unreasonable risk to children's IQ. So, we'll talk about human health, and, and, and Judge Chen made no bones about an 80 page ruling.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
You can probably find it online now, but, he, he basically agreed with all of our points. And so, I, you know, now, to me, you can no longer sit back and say that you don't know because so much science came out in this court case. I mean, they had experts from all over the world. And in the end, everybody agreed that fluoride does cause these brain impairments in children.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So I think that's sort of the end of the end of the argument.
 
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Dr. Paul
Right. So if I'm watching this and I'm a young parent and I live in a town that has fluoridated water, what do I do?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. You know, it's a good question. Well, first thing, you have your biggest ally. Now you have your biggest tool in your toolbox. With this court ruling. In fact, just as of today, I think there's already been five cities across the country that said we're done. That's that's good enough for us. We're stopping it. So that's huge.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
But that's the first thing I'd say is, if they're not aware, you can let them know what this ruling was and how critical it really is. Because, by the way, because of this ruling, that doesn't mean that the EPA has to end fluoridation tomorrow. I mean, they can delay and stall. There's no written, there's no words in the actual ruling saying that you have the information tomorrow.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
But it's a very important ruling in that it's now we've all agreed that it's a neurotoxic and as you mentioned and so and so it's, it's the duty of citizens to go to their city council meetings, go to their schools, get together in some kind of grassroots formation, and, and start fighting this because they now know that they have to do something about this, at the very least, putting filters, maybe on the water fountains at the children's schools or what, wherever public use is happening, they've got a responsibility now.
 
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. And I don't know that all filters remove fluoride. Do you happen to know that's true?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
No, they don't like, I mean, Berkey and Propia and some other ones are really good. If you put them on your showerheads and on your taps. But no, a lot of filters. I mean, if you do like a reverse osmosis, that will get rid of about 97% of it, but you can't drink that water because it's devoid of all minerals.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So you got to be careful.
 
00:07:37:03 - 00:08:02:55
Dr. Paul
Okay. I would rather drink water devoid of minerals than drink for I. So, think about it, that if you're eating organic produce and a large variety of it, and especially just don't wash it, wash your vegetables that well, you'll get lots of minerals. Yeah. I've had a hard time going up to the senators and going up to the school board, and and because I didn't know what information to take with me.
 
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Dr. Paul
Do you have do you have a recommendation for where to get the resources to so that you go at least armed with some information?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I'd say probably the Fluoride Action network is the greatest resource. It's, fluoride alert.org org, and you'll find everything on there. Paul. The entire history of it, all the facts about it points to make, as you say, if you're going to argue. Listen, I've been doing this for three decades, and I've been treated very poorly at some of these hearings, and it's just the way it is.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I mean, some of these people just don't want to change. And even if you present them with all the science and the facts and, and really good justifications as to why you don't need to add this to our drinking water, sometimes it just falls on deaf ears. And that's why I think this court case is so important.
 
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Dr. Paul
Yeah, no. Absolutely. So I'm just going to say it do not drink fluoridated water, period. No matter what. It's poison. Where else are we at risk for getting exposure to fluoride? Obviously, if your pediatrician is writing you a prescription for fluoride tablets or fluoride supplements, don't fill it just period. I mean, sometimes you're you got a doctor who's so insistent this is important.
 
00:09:12:57 - 00:09:19:54
Dr. Paul
We're telling you otherwise. It's the data is out there, but where else can people get inadvertently exposed to fluoride?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Paul. Unfortunately it's ubiquitous. I mean, it's everywhere, right? I mean, it's, and any, any foods that are watered with salted water have fluoride. There's natural foods like teas have high forehead content. Raisins have high fiber content. It's in a lot of medications for quinones SSRI eyes and a histamine some and acids. I mean you need to be aware of what you're taking if it's prescribed by a doctor and find out a fluorides in it.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And if there's some alternative that I highly recommend you do that. Don't cook on Teflon. Teflon coated cookware that's got a lot of fluoride content. Don't. If you have to eat microwave food for, you know, for goodness sakes, don't heat it in the actual plastic containers that it comes in. Yeah, it is everywhere. It's in drinks, juices, sodas.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it it does take an effort to try to avoid all forms.
 
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Dr. Paul
So I was familiar with some of those that you listed off. I didn't know raisins or for example, in certain foods. That's disturbing because how are people going to sort that out? I mean, I know we we say, all right, go organic, avoid glyphosate, make sure your foods, your organic. Now we have to have a fluoride label.
 
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Dr. Paul
How are we going to sort this out?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
You know what? I tell you how we started out. We turn the tap off. I mean, we just. We stop adding fluoride, and then that solves, a ton of problems. Yeah.
 
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Dr. Paul
Stop. Fluorinated in the water that the food that you're watering. Okay, so that really is the key. There ought to be an all out effort for that. Yeah. You're a dentist. You probably recommend toothpaste. I was taught in medical school, and then my dentist reinforced this. All for my children and what have you. For the last three decades, you need to use fluoridated toothpaste.
 
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Dr. Paul
What's your comment on that?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
No. Absolutely not. It's unnecessary. I always remember this for, for for anybody listening. Fluoride is not an essential nutrient. We don't need it for any enzymatic process in the body. No one's ever going to die from a lack of fluoride is unnecessary, and it's unnecessary for good dental health as well. I know it has a topical effect, but we have way better alternatives now.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
There's toothpaste out there now that are hydroxyapatite, that incorporate into the enamel. It's way better as far as anti caries. And you don't need any kind of fluoride. Also I recommend any toothpaste that has no fluoride and no SLS. That's the sodium laurel sulfate. That's the bubbling agent that can cause mouth ulcers. So and and I tell people you can brush with baking soda and water, you just need some kind of a promise to get the biofilm off your teeth.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That's really what toothpaste is supposed to be for.
 
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Dr. Paul
I grew up in a village in Africa, and nobody in the village had cavities, and I didn't have cavities as a kid in the village, I was there from the age of four till about 8 or 9. And what we used for toothbrushes. Well, I was the only kid in the village who actually had a toothbrush, but what everybody else did, they took a branch out of a certain tree, and you peeled the bark off.
 
00:12:14:49 - 00:12:31:12
Dr. Paul
You chewed the end and turned it into a brush. The other big reason I think we didn't have much, dental issues as far as cavities was there were no sweets, right? You know, we were we were completely living off the land. So. Yeah, no sugars. And those sorts of things.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That gets back to the work of Weston Price, right? That famous dentist who who went all over the world and found out people who weren't eating refined sugars had no cavities.
 
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Dr. Paul
Yeah. And that was my experience. Okay. So unfortunately, I've been, drinking this fluoride water for my whole life. My kids have been drinking it. I'm only just waking up to the fact that, oh, my gosh, I've been poisoned. Is there anything I can do? Is there any way to get right out of my body?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Let's talk about that. First and foremost, when we ingest fluoride of any kind, our, our kidneys excrete about half of it, so we retain about 50%. Usually our calcified tissues like our bones. However, there are some things you can do. So I'm going to just start with basics, and then I'll get a little more detail. Okay.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
First and foremost avoid all sources we've talked about that do the best you can to avoid all sorts of fluoride exercise. Just sweating. We have to eliminate toxins and sweating alone is going to help. If your diet is predominantly alkaline, which I'm sure you've recommended on on many podcasts, your body can actually detox a little bit better when it's not acid.
 
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Dr. Paul
That's not. Explain that, though, to our viewers who don't understand what an alkaline.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Okay, so so anybody can go online and type in alkaline foods, but just, really, you know, green leafy vegetables are very alkaline. Even pasture raised meat is actually alkaline. Now, other kinds of meats that aren't raised that way are a very acid, but green leafy vegetables, if you remember nothing else, that's something that you need to get in your system.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
It's very often.
 
00:14:05:31 - 00:14:16:09
Dr. Paul
Yeah. I learned actually, that, lemons, which you would think of as acid, because if they're natural and they're organic, they have an alkaline izing effect in the body.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. In fact, I used to tell patients, start your morning with a tall glass of water and squeeze lemon because it does form an alkaline ash in the body. You're absolutely right. Yeah.
 
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Dr. Paul
Fascinating.
 
00:14:25:53 - 00:14:38:27
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Now, some some other things. Vitamin D or really hormone D? Iodine is great, but I would do iodine in food, shellfish, liver, some dairy. I wouldn't do it as a supplement.
 
00:14:38:27 - 00:14:40:44
Dr. Paul
Seaweed is is very high and then. Right.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Very high iodine calcium is also good. Now a couple of things that you probably don't know. Turmeric. Turmeric has a natural neuroprotective effect. There's been numerous studies on this. So take into remember it's fluorides neurotoxin. So if we can have a neuroprotective effect that's going to counter that. And hopefully eliminate that just by that alone Tamara which is like an African fruit if you can get it, has been shown to actually increase the urinary excretion of fluoride.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So turmeric and tamarind are two good things. Some some people say boron is as well. But if you can remember just those basic things, vitamin D, iodine, calcium, turmeric, tamarind and sweat, I think that's the best way to learn it because it's tough.
 
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Dr. Paul
That's that's really great advice. Do you happen to have a preferred form of turmeric?
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Not really. No. I mean if you can get it right from Hawaii, right from the ground there, then that's the way that I would do it. But no.
 
00:15:39:25 - 00:15:51:47
Dr. Paul
In my study of toxins, I learned this thing about synergistic toxicity that, you know, does that apply at all? The fluoride, it's kind of where one toxin plus another one plus one isn't two. It might be 5 or 10.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. Well fluoride is used, as I mentioned, in a lot of medications because of its, exacerbating effect. It it gets things across the blood brain barrier. It gets in the body quicker and not in a good way. The biggest. Yeah, the biggest one is lead. Fluoride exaggerates the effects of lead. And we learned about lead years ago.
 
00:16:11:40 - 00:16:30:25
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And of course, we, they, they made regulations for that. But when you ever hear about things like Flint, Michigan, where they had that lead exposure on the water, right, there was this awful water accident. There was lead. Now coming in our water. What they didn't tell you was the reason why the lead was coming in your water was because of the hydrofluoric acid.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
The fluoride added to it corrodes the brass pipes and makes that stuff leach out. So it has a very, very negative, exaggerated effect on lead. That's the most important one. But also one more thing for honest fluoride affects every single enzyme reaction in the body. Every single one. So that alone is the reason not to ingest this in any form or fashion.
 
00:16:54:30 - 00:17:15:17
Dr. Paul
Wow, this fluoride thing is a lot bigger than I realized. Yeah, you and you've been pounded on this thing for three decades. Wow. Thank you for your persistence. You know, it's, it's just mind boggling that we still have municipalities adding this poison to our water systems.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
And, you know, on top of that, 95% of the world doesn't fluoride. Only 5% does. And we do it more than all the other. I think it's like 11 countries. And that's to change. But I mean, it's just like it's unnecessary even at these low amounts of like they say 0.7 isn't that high. Well, we saw effects on children's brains at levels of that low.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it is.
 
00:17:36:46 - 00:17:58:28
Dr. Paul
Yeah. It's it's one of those things where like with lead poisoning when I was in training 35, 45 years ago, you could have lead levels of 50 and it was okay. Were around that then it was 35, then it was 15. And then it's down to five. And we've come to realize there is no safe level of lead or mercury or fluoride or arsenic.
 
00:17:58:40 - 00:18:00:21
Dr. Paul
Some things are just poisonous.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
That's exactly right. And and this holds true for fluoride. In fact, in 2006, when the National Research Council was tasked with getting scientists together to look at whether issues were of, fluoride in the water, the algae, which is the maximum contaminant level goal, that's the that's the goal that our experts say are safe for human consumption. Right now, it's four parts per million.
 
00:18:23:31 - 00:18:30:37
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
The NRC said. After all, their investigation happens, it should be zero. So we shouldn't have any of it added to our water.
 
00:18:30:37 - 00:18:36:50
Dr. Paul
So four parts per million. How does that relate to the stuff being put in water? How many parts per million is that equal.
 
00:18:36:52 - 00:18:45:48
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So it's that was 2.7 parts per million is what they're adding for water fluoridation okay. But right now the EPA allows as high as four parts per million.
 
00:18:45:48 - 00:18:47:26
Dr. Paul
So oh my goodness.
 
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Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah.
 
00:18:48:00 - 00:18:51:18
Dr. Paul
And we already know that point seven is dangerous. It's crazy.
 
00:18:51:23 - 00:18:52:35
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah that makes no sense.
 
00:18:52:49 - 00:19:13:12
Dr. Paul
It makes no sense. All right. I want you to have the last word. You are my go to guy for fluoride. And I am now convinced I need to wake up to this thing, and I, I've I've I've given up fluoride toothpaste a long time ago. Sure. And I try to avoid the water. Almost exclusive. And filter my water.
 
00:19:13:17 - 00:19:28:46
Dr. Paul
Yeah. But, yeah, for anybody out there that's watching this, just sort of now waking up like I have woken up. What just lists the most important things? These are the must do things. These are the things do if you can.
 
00:19:28:51 - 00:19:43:08
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah. Because this needs to be affordable for everybody. So, you know, just turning off the fluoride tap is everything. That's what I've been fighting for all these years is. Yeah, you know it. I can afford to buy spring water. I can afford to avoid it, but most people can't. And so by turning it off, that's the biggest thing.
 
00:19:43:08 - 00:20:05:22
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So now we've got, like I said, this is your biggest ally. Now is this court ruling. So learn about it and take it to your city councils. Take it to your schools and your communities and let them know that you're just not going to stand for anymore. Because now it has been proven and now been adjudicated and, and, and and agreed and ruled on by a federal judge that this stuff needs to stop.
 
00:20:05:27 - 00:20:21:33
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
So that's your biggest thing beyond that, you know, like I said, just do your best to avoid it. You know, I mean, obviously if you can afford spring water or drink spring water, if you want to filter it and do that, do that. But try to avoid drinking tap water and find out if you're if your actual community is for them.
 
00:20:21:36 - 00:20:37:19
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
As you know, as we mentioned earlier, about 75% are, but there are some that are not. And be very grateful if you live in one of those communities. And as I mentioned, more and more are now going to be jumping on the bandwagon and stopping it. So we've got a nice snowball rolling. And I want to keep this thing rolling.
 
00:20:37:24 - 00:20:56:51
Dr. Paul
Yeah. I wonder if we had a few attorneys in every town or state, Sue the water bureaus that are fluoridated water for the damage to their children. Yeah. Those losses are they're not protected. Are they? From lawsuit?
 
00:20:57:03 - 00:21:09:00
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Well, here's the thing. There are people who have brought suits before, and it always ended, in favor of the, the communities who are water forgetting. So that's why this, this, this, this ruling.
 
00:21:09:03 - 00:21:10:44
Dr. Paul
This is precedent. This is.
 
00:21:10:48 - 00:21:27:23
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Huge. Because now we've got a precedent. Exactly. Okay. You know, Michael Connett, who was the lead attorney on this, is brilliant. And and he'd be a good resource if somebody want to reach out to him. But, I think you're right. Now there needs to be a fear of getting sued because now you have no you have no argument.
 
00:21:27:23 - 00:21:31:27
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
We now know that this is toxic and. Yeah. Yeah.
 
00:21:31:31 - 00:21:44:01
Dr. Paul
Well, that should be powerful enough. Thank you. So, once more, where people can go to get the best information as they arm themselves to go present to their senators and water bureaus and school boards, etc..
 
00:21:44:06 - 00:22:00:51
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
Yeah, I think fluoride alert dawg is good. Also, the academy that I'm a longtime member of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology I a omt.org. Those are two good resources for anything and everything fluoride that you could find.
 
00:22:00:55 - 00:22:03:12
Dr. Paul
That's awesome. Now, are you still practicing?
 
00:22:03:21 - 00:22:15:43
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
I'm not. Pi. I saw my practice a few years ago, and I thought I'd be retired and enjoying life. And as it turns out, I'm lecturing and teaching ozone and mentoring. And, I'm busier than I ever was.
 
00:22:15:48 - 00:22:33:25
Dr. Paul
Okay, well, I I know that feeling. I'm semi-retired, and but I'm still here. I am on this show with you and, speaking this weekend in Chattanooga, Tennessee, I but but it's it's fun to be out there making a difference. Thank you for everything you're doing to really help the health of our world. So I appreciate you very much for.
 
00:22:33:25 - 00:22:34:54
Griffin Cole, DDS, NMD
All you do, Paul, I appreciate.
 
00:22:34:54 - 00:22:55:04
Dr. Paul
It. Take care. Well, folks, you can also catch me at Doctors and science.com, my show with the wind and for those who want to get in touch with me personally, either for coaching, or otherwise, go to kids first forever.com. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next week.
 
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Dr. Paul
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With the Wind with Dr. Paul - Show 174: Pediatric Perspectives: Legal Rights of Parents with Mary Holland, ESQ
Here's the breakdown of the speaking times for each speaker as a percentage of the total time:
Speakers' Speaking Times:

• Dr. Paul: 39.21%
• Mary Holland: 60.79%

 
00:00:40:28 - 00:01:05:39
Dr. Paul
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00:01:05:53 - 00:01:16:16
Dr. Paul
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00:01:35:06 - 00:01:57:41
Dr. Paul
Good morning. PhD. Welcome to Pediatric Perspectives, where we are looking at children's health challenges from a different perspective, one that includes critical thinking. One that's not afraid to ask the difficult questions and get to the honest truth. My guest today is Mary Holland, and it's so great to have you back. What a pleasure it is to have you on the show.
 
00:01:57:46 - 00:02:00:05
Mary Holland
Thank you so much. Delighted to be here.
 
00:02:00:10 - 00:02:21:21
Dr. Paul
So you are the. You're an attorney with an extensive background in educating other attorneys, and then you've been the chief executive officer for Children's Health Defense. Also author of a couple books, Vaccine Epidemic and the HPV on trial book. We're going to delve in on this episode. I'm going to pick your attorney brain. This this is something that just baffles me.
 
00:02:21:22 - 00:02:45:11
Dr. Paul
I'm I have very little expertise in that world, but we're going to look at some of the legal cases that have been happening and also discuss why it's so difficult to, you know, get justice if you will. Just baffles me. Yeah. It just feels to me like our legal system has been hijacked when it comes to vaccines.
 
00:02:45:16 - 00:03:09:59
Dr. Paul
So to kick it off, I wanted to start with something that just weighs heavy on my heart. Too often, I'm getting stories and meeting people who have had a child given a vaccine or a series of vaccines, and sometimes within hours, sometimes within days. That child is dead. And there's it's it's clear as crystal that, you know, it was the vaccine.
 
00:03:10:08 - 00:03:36:59
Dr. Paul
I mean, you know, when you when you take penicillin, you have hives and allergic reaction, you know, the penicillin caused the hives. And I don't know why we have such a hard time with when you give a vaccine and a child dies. Being able to recognize that, hey, the vaccine killed this child. But what can parents do? What should they do in these situations where, you know, severe injury or death has happened and it's it's pretty clear.
 
00:03:37:04 - 00:03:43:53
Dr. Paul
And I feel like I don't know where they turn, where they go. And can you maybe shed a little light on that?
 
00:03:43:58 - 00:04:15:32
Mary Holland
Yeah. So you know what's been branded for the last several decades? Sudden infant death syndrome is almost always, vaccine death, vaccine induced death. And some really good science has been done past showing that, you know, babies get their birth dose of hepatitis C and then two months shots with the DTaP and so on, and the, spike in infant deaths or around within about seven days of those shots.
 
00:04:15:34 - 00:04:44:59
Mary Holland
So there's very good, data that suggests that vaccines are killing babies. It's not just the legal system. It's it's a it's a whole phalanx of different institutions and different methodologies that protect, the vaccine paradigm. And, you know, we have to ask why that would be. But coroners, are very, very adverse to, putting in their records that the death is from a vaccine.
 
00:04:44:59 - 00:05:14:34
Mary Holland
In fact, you are probably aware that there have been cases of parents who were accused of torturing their babies or, you know, of murder or of, manslaughter of their babies, when in fact, it was likely a vaccine injury. Other shaken baby syndrome. Yeah, yeah. Shaken baby syndrome. Exactly. So these are this very serious stuff I've heard about how coroners are pressured by industry immediately.
 
00:05:14:34 - 00:05:36:18
Mary Holland
Don't put that on the record. But it's now particularly in the context of Covid. Paul, we are looking at records of people who it is on their desks, their death certificates, that they died from the Covid shot. And we are looking we have one legal case on behalf of a young man who died. We're looking at other ones.
 
00:05:36:23 - 00:06:11:34
Mary Holland
But, you know, the the injuries, you know, the tragic thing about babies getting all these shots, when, again, just logically, it's so bizarre. Babies are developing everything. Language, walking, you know, their organs, their height, their weight. They don't have fully developed immune systems. And yet this is when we have this, you know, battery of vaccines for infants and the other insane part about our vaccine schedule is in infants can't talk.
 
00:06:11:34 - 00:06:37:10
Mary Holland
And so if an infant has, you know, their body feels like it's on fire or they feel like they can't control their body or suddenly they can't talk, they can't express that in any way. An adult and we've seen this with Covid can express what's happening to them after the vaccine, but babies can't do that. So it's it's it's a crazy system to tell you that.
 
00:06:37:10 - 00:06:54:07
Mary Holland
And we you and I both have been, you know, trying to spread the word that this is a crazy system. It's not based in science, it's not based in logic, it's not based in health. It's a truly it's a it's just a crazy system that's harming children.
 
00:06:54:12 - 00:07:29:38
Dr. Paul
Yeah. I have to make a confession. So let me first make a point. We are the product of our education. So, you know, I went to a mainstream medical school, Dartmouth Medical School went through the UK California Pediatric Residency Training Program, board certified pediatrician. I was subscribing to the American Academy of Pediatrics and all their literature totally unaware of the fact that I was being indoctrinated with just lie after lie after lie when it came to anything to do with vaccines, because they're safe and effective and they're sacred, and you cannot challenge them.
 
00:07:29:43 - 00:07:53:44
Dr. Paul
So on the shaken baby syndrome, I am guilty of actually being on television with a doll, showing how parents can cause shaken baby syndrome, and you shake vigorously and then you you're mad. So you throw that baby down under their mattress, and that's what causes the retinal hemorrhages. I was taught that that was the case. I even acted it out on TV.
 
00:07:53:49 - 00:08:18:58
Dr. Paul
I mean, that's horrible. And the real thing that's going on is you get these vaccines, they cause severe disorders in your clotting system, and you have retinal hemorrhages from the vaccines, but they are considered pathogen pneumonic in medicine, when you say something's path pneumonic that means it is 100% basically cause and effect. If you see retinal hemorrhages is child abuse.
 
00:08:19:02 - 00:08:53:31
Dr. Paul
And so many usually dads or sometimes rarely moms go to prison for having killed their baby, when in fact it was the vaccine that did that. Now we're starting to hear story after story of babies who died right after their vaccines, and the parents get accused of suffocating the baby. So they get their their other children removed. I mean, it's this is just anything to destroy any possibility that you're going to link the harm to the vaccine, which is really what's causing the issue.
 
00:08:53:36 - 00:09:08:07
Dr. Paul
So thank you for reminding me of that and bringing that up. It is just it's insane what's going on. And parents, we cannot trust the CDC, the NIH, the FDA to protect us. Right.
 
00:09:08:11 - 00:09:29:16
Mary Holland
Paula, I think, you know, we've been at this. I my son is 27. You know, I've been at this a long time. You know what happened to him after the MMR shot was just obviously completely unnatural. It's completely unnatural for a young child to lose all of their milestones in a short period of time. So, I mean, something was terribly wrong.
 
00:09:29:16 - 00:10:02:14
Mary Holland
But like you, I was brought up in a hyper medicalized environment, and I didn't have any reason to think that everything about vaccines was a lie. I had no basis to believe that. So I vaccinated and I stopped. But I think now, 20 years later, so much science has accumulated, so much statistical data, so much case study data, so much, you know, so much has been done completely outside of the CDC and the FDA and the NIH.
 
00:10:02:14 - 00:10:29:32
Mary Holland
But so much has been done worldwide showing the harms from vaccines. I do believe that we can say babies are much better off, letting their immune system develop. Which is not to say that a baby won't get sick at times. Babies will get sick. But these these shots that have been administered basically with no science behind them, it's just gotta stop, right?
 
00:10:29:32 - 00:10:57:21
Mary Holland
I mean, if pharma wants to go back and do real science with real placebos, well, more power to them. But the idea that there should be liability protection, that the idea that vaccines should be treated totally differently than than other drugs, the idea that it's okay to advertise vaccines to children and to teenagers, all of these, the idea that it's okay to have emergency use authorization products that have zero liability, these things are wrong.
 
00:10:57:21 - 00:11:20:47
Mary Holland
We cannot as a global society, continue to have these products that are so deadly and injurious and have these megacorporations and these important institutions like medicine, get away with this. We can't have this. It it's a level of injustice. It's a level of impunity that I don't think a human society can sustain very long.
 
00:11:20:52 - 00:11:44:29
Dr. Paul
Okay, I agree. So now I'm going to hit you hard. You're the attorney. You've got a, a group of attorneys there at Children's Health Defense. We need to get rid of the 1986 Childhood Immunization Act. We need to get rid of the Prep act. And what can parents do themselves, if anything? Because I feel like legally, unless you have a boatload of money, you're just sort of, like, trapped.
 
00:11:44:34 - 00:11:47:44
Dr. Paul
You lost your child, and there's nothing you can do about it.
 
00:11:47:49 - 00:12:11:02
Mary Holland
Well, let me just say on this point I forgot to make this call. So if you and my heart goes out to you, if you undergo the unbelievable tragedy to have an infant or a young child die, it is critical that you go get an autopsy and it's critical that you get the right kind of autopsy. And I'm going to double check we have that information on our website.
 
00:12:11:02 - 00:12:30:40
Mary Holland
Paul, what are the tests that you would need to do to prove that this baby died from a vaccine injury and not from something else, and particularly to protect the caregivers and the parents? It's very important. Yeah. I mean, for parents on a, you know, we're fighting these good fights. Paul, we have a case against the Prep act.
 
00:12:30:41 - 00:13:00:32
Mary Holland
We've gone up against the 86 act. We've got people in Washington who are, you know, working with legislators on these issues. We've been working in our chapters around the country, are working in state legislatures to push back against mandates and to push back against all of this. But what people individually can do, the first thing is, you know, read, do your homework, and you may well come to the conclusion that the harms outweigh the benefits for vaccines.
 
00:13:00:37 - 00:13:21:45
Mary Holland
They certainly do for the Covid shot, but but for the whole childhood schedule, I urge you do your homework before you vaccinate a child. But beyond that, what can you do? You can help educate others on the Children's Health Defense website and many others. You know, National Vaccine Information Center, Informed Consent Action Network stand for health freedom. You don't have to choose one.
 
00:13:21:50 - 00:13:40:53
Mary Holland
There's great literature that you can download. You can hand stuff out to people. You can say to people, gee, have you ever thought that maybe the CDC is not telling you the whole truth? Hey, you know, here's this book, Turtles All the Way Down. We just did an e-book. People just have to put in their email address, you know, a guide for parents for healthy raising, healthy children.
 
00:13:40:58 - 00:14:03:32
Mary Holland
There's so many resources out there. And also it's really important you want to be backing, you know, you want you to put your vote to work, right. Make sure that you're supporting candidates that are supportive of health freedom, that you get to decide what goes in your body and what goes in your children's body. You don't want to be supporting candidates that want nine year olds to make independent medical decisions.
 
00:14:03:32 - 00:14:28:44
Mary Holland
We fought and won a case in the District of Columbia, which would have allowed nine year old children and up, maybe 11 year old children and up to make their own decisions, own decisions about any vaccine, including Covid shots. I mean, the world we live in is very, very predator free and people do need to understand that they're there is real predatory behavior out there in the medical and pharmaceutical world.
 
00:14:28:55 - 00:14:37:21
Mary Holland
And if you don't believe it's there, you're going to be the prey. And you could, you know, you could be permanently harmed if not done.
 
00:14:37:26 - 00:15:03:57
Dr. Paul
Yeah. No, absolutely. So we'll put up the link to the information that he has on what you do, for autopsies. And I mean, one thing is immediately get some blood drawn and saved because then you have access to testing that for aluminum and whatever else you may need to test it for before everything. Coagulates. Yeah, it, it it feels very much like parents.
 
00:15:03:57 - 00:15:29:40
Dr. Paul
We have to take complete charge, and you cannot trust the system at all. That's a sad truth, but it is the truth. I did want to before we wrap up today, highlight a few of the things that you all have been doing there in the legal world. Because you're doing great work. Also, just to let parents know, do you hoover just a mom and I just releasing a new book, VAX Facts what You Need to know, before you choose to vaccinate.
 
00:15:29:45 - 00:15:52:12
Dr. Paul
And this is for all ages and stages. There's an a, chapter on adults as well. So authors copies will be available any day now. And then the book comes out and all bookstores and major outlets in December. But let's let's highlight some of your work. You guys are working hard. I was reading in April about FDA's misuse of emergency powers authorizing Covid shots for kids.
 
00:15:52:17 - 00:16:05:29
Dr. Paul
I mean, I I'd forgotten the fact kit, the FDA is lying to kids on safety and efficacy, and they were even using Sesame Street and Elmo. Oh my goodness, how low can you go? Tell us a little bit about that one.
 
00:16:05:34 - 00:16:40:44
Mary Holland
Yeah. We, followed the process. Paul. Unfortunately, we lost on that case for now, but we we filed a citizen's petition against the FDA. We had thousands and thousands of signatures. We outlined all the ways in which it was irresponsible and unethical and illegal for the FDA to be calling this a vaccine when it's not a vaccine, to be improperly testing it when it came to children, not to fail to recognize that children, the vast majority this was in 2021 already had antibodies to Covid.
 
00:16:40:44 - 00:17:03:37
Mary Holland
They basically resolved the illness without any vaccine, without any prophylactic, without even the children knowing that they were sick. We put all of that in a petition. We then followed up by litigating the issue. We took it to the federal district court, and then we took it to the Court of Appeals, and sadly, we failed. It is very, very hard.
 
00:17:03:37 - 00:17:29:55
Mary Holland
We also sued, the FDA for accepting the sort of bait and switch that the Department of Defense did, sort of saying that there was a licensed Covid shot when indeed there really wasn't. They only had available emergency use authorization. We had declarations from people in the military who were unable to get real licensed, vaccines, but were being forced to get them.
 
00:17:29:59 - 00:17:55:48
Mary Holland
That also failed. We succeeded, as I mentioned, in a case in the federal district court in Washington, D.C., the District of Columbia had passed a so-called minor consent bill allowing children to, get any federally recommended vaccine they wanted without parental notification or consent. So the parents are going to be charged for the vaccine by the school based health clinic or by the practitioner.
 
00:17:55:53 - 00:18:20:51
Mary Holland
But the parents aren't going to know what the charge is for, and only the school gets the record. Well, we got that thrown out. We I was very happy we even got legal fees on that case. But these minor consent laws are a big problem. We do have a case challenging the 2005 Prep act. So the Prep act is another liability shield for the pharmaceutical industry, for the government and for the medical profession.
 
00:18:20:56 - 00:18:45:26
Mary Holland
And it's even worse than the 86 act. But the 2005 Prep act allows the government, medicine, pharma to go out with emergency use authorization products, which can be tests, which can be mask, which can be devices, which can be vaccines, and there's no liability for them. And the idea that there's compensation is absolutely a mockery. It's absolutely, a lie.
 
00:18:45:26 - 00:19:10:15
Mary Holland
A young man, in upstate New York, George Watts Jr, was going to community college and he was in virtual learning, but wanted to go back on campus because he learned better. And he believed that the vaccine had been licensed, because that's what all of the media was saying, and that's what the FDA said. But in point of fact, the shots that were available were not licensed.
 
00:19:10:15 - 00:19:33:56
Mary Holland
They were still emergency use authorization. And he died, he developed myocarditis and he died. And his death certificate says that he died of a Covid shot. And, that case has been filed, in the federal district court in the District of Columbia, as is required. And we're waiting for the court to take action on the case because we have been so heavily censored.
 
00:19:34:01 - 00:20:00:16
Mary Holland
We have many cases pending related to censorship, as Bobby Kennedy, our founder, has said, if the government can censor its critics, there's no atrocity that it can't commit. And so we started being censored by basically at the guidance of the CDC, reaching out to Facebook. We started being censored in 2019, but when Covid came around in 2020, we were vilified.
 
00:20:00:16 - 00:20:25:14
Mary Holland
Right? So Bobby Kennedy became one of the disinformation dozen. We were the FD children's Health Defense put into that Disinformation Dozen group. We were deplatformed from Facebook, from Instagram, from YouTube and TikTok. You name the put from Twitter, you name the platform we were Deplatform. Censorship is a critical tool as well as propaganda as well as fear of sort of the our adversaries, if you will.
 
00:20:25:19 - 00:20:51:47
Mary Holland
And so, although we didn't set out to be a First Amendment free speech group, that is a primary, area in our legal work, because if we can't get the education out to the public, Paul, it's hopeless, really. It's it's hopeless. And so we we've stepped up in the area of censorship. We've actually just submitted an amicus brief to the North Carolina Supreme Court in a case related to the Prep act.
 
00:20:51:52 - 00:21:19:19
Mary Holland
And we absolutely have the Prep act in our sights. The Prep act, I believe, is unconstitutional. There are several other challenges out there to the Prep act. I can has one attorney, Jeff Childers, as another. Many cases have failed. A terrible decision just came down from the Vermont Supreme Court that in a case where parents, said that they didn't want their child to get a Covid shot, but the Covid shot was given anyway at school.
 
00:21:19:24 - 00:21:40:28
Mary Holland
The case that the court dismissed it, saying, well, it's the Prep act, the Prep act, it it it it suggests that it this plans all law and that can't be right. And that's one of the things it's a stepping stone in in that fight against the prep act. But we absolutely have to get rid of the Prep act.
 
00:21:40:28 - 00:22:03:03
Mary Holland
We have to get rid of the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, and we have to restore true prior free and informed consent. People need to be able to make their own health decisions on an individual basis. We are not all the same. The idea that everybody gets the same, I mean, so crazy, Paul. It's so at odds with everything else in medicine, right?
 
00:22:03:03 - 00:22:18:16
Mary Holland
What's your weight? What's your height? What's your age? What's your medical history? That's normal. Normal medicine or used to be normal medicine. And then they come out with a chemical that's in a bottle that you can't test. And they want to have it be one size fits all. It's absurd.
 
00:22:18:21 - 00:22:47:04
Dr. Paul
Yeah. Well you touched on censorship nicely. Thank you for that. Because I don't think most Americans, our viewers on this show are more informed, but most Americans who watch the general boob tube, you know, mainstream TV news news are completely unaware that if it has anything to do with pandemic or vaccines or actually almost anything where profits are being made, it's propaganda.
 
00:22:47:09 - 00:23:08:56
Dr. Paul
It's sales and it's propaganda. It is not actual factual news. And, that became so clear when Covid rolled out. I mean, I, I did a deep dive into it in March of 2020 when, when the first case happened in Oregon and it had just been was being announced and published a little book and put at the end of that, if they come up with a vaccine, don't take it.
 
00:23:09:01 - 00:23:19:23
Dr. Paul
I mean, I, I just smell that that was what was coming. And that book was banned on Amazon. And that's the idea of that censorship. And, it's happening all over the place.
 
00:23:19:28 - 00:23:48:12
Mary Holland
I'm, I'm somewhat proud to say, Paul, that through the weaponization of government, documents that have been uncovered, the book that I co-edited and authored, Vaccine Epidemic, was the number two book that the government told Amazon to censor, the number one being Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphreys. And Roman was direct. But the second one was Vaccine Epidemic. In other words, these are books that the government very clearly knew would undermine their propaganda.
 
00:23:48:16 - 00:24:09:47
Mary Holland
And so what did they do? They censored them. So we had to fight back as as people who care about our children's health and as people who care about health freedom, we must push back against censorship. Yeah. But we know. What can people do? I mean, talk to your family, talk to your friends. I find it's very hard, given the resistance of some people, although it's shifted some from Covid.
 
00:24:09:52 - 00:24:31:20
Mary Holland
I like to take people to a movie. Children's health defense is is, sponsoring a movie? We're making a movie that's three. I would encourage people to watch that on our website for free is that's two. I think that's two is one of the most effective tools that people can show their friends and family, because it shows children who've been injured and their parents.
 
00:24:31:20 - 00:24:47:58
Mary Holland
And the extraordinary tragedy of that, and it shows unvaccinated children. And you see those kids are just so healthy. There's there's just you can see it with your own eyes. And we have to get back to trusting what we see with our own eyes.
 
00:24:48:03 - 00:25:19:51
Dr. Paul
Absolutely. So huge plug for the Vaxed, set of movies. Next one was the whistleblower movie with William Thompson, the CDC researcher who is head researcher on the published paper in Pediatrics. That's a journal all pediatricians read. I remember reading that article. Oh, there's no association between MMR and autism. Case closed. Right? No. Wrong. He came out like way later, I think it was 2012 and said that, they got rid of the data that showed, what was actually going on.
 
00:25:19:51 - 00:25:43:15
Dr. Paul
There was an actual significant increase in risk, especially for African-American boys, but actually for everybody. And so important movie there and then. You're right. VAX too. I cried half the movie through because it's so clear. VAX kids are so healthy, which is what I discovered in my practice and what I published in my research and the vaccinated kids I mean, we are harming them to such an extent.
 
00:25:43:15 - 00:25:47:27
Dr. Paul
It is tragedy and it's so pointless.
 
00:25:47:27 - 00:26:02:28
Mary Holland
And I'm very it's hard when you look at this from the 40,000ft view. It's hard not to see this as child sacrifice policy because there's really no benefit. You know, polio is not everywhere. The diphtheria is not in circulation.
 
00:26:02:32 - 00:26:03:29
Dr. Paul
Yeah.
 
00:26:03:34 - 00:26:12:47
Mary Holland
When you have it in childhood. And yet we're seeing these children, these products that are deadly, that are severely injurious. It just makes no sense.
 
00:26:12:52 - 00:26:37:30
Dr. Paul
Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more. Well, I want to thank you again for being on the show. Thank you for all the work you're doing. This is hard work. And everything that PhD is doing. Folks, you you have absolutely got to go to Children's Health defense.org and subscribe to the defender there. That daily news paper. I mean you guys publish more than once a day.
 
00:26:37:35 - 00:27:10:50
Dr. Paul
Incredible in-depth articles covering the topics you won't get covered on the mainstream outlets. And so I use that as a go to resource, the little hourglass button there. I want to research HPV. I just click on that. But HPV in that, in that box and boom, all these incredible articles, about whatever it is you search. So I want you to have the last word, though, for for listeners who are still discouraged, what kind of a message of hope can you give them?
 
00:27:10:55 - 00:27:34:40
Mary Holland
Paul, I've been at this a long time. I've been at this long, over 20 years, and I've never been more encouraged, Paul. I've never been more encouraged. Things are changing. It's slow. I wish this works faster. I wish that no children were being injured today. But I do think that Covid was, in a sense, more than we could ever have expected.
 
00:27:34:40 - 00:27:58:56
Mary Holland
That it really, made the whole global population aware that pharma and the medical communities and the governments lie about vaccines. Everybody knows that. And pharma and their proxies know that. And they they're talking about rebuilding trust in this. And, Doctor Peter Hotez is talking about calling out NATO to go up against the anti-vaxxers. That's not a sign of strength.
 
00:27:58:56 - 00:28:16:39
Mary Holland
That is a sign of weakness. They know that people don't trust them, and they know they can't persuade them. And the only tool that they have available to them is force. And I'm not sure they have force available either. If you look at what happened to people in the US military, I'm not sure the military is going to go out there and enforce vaccine mandates.
 
00:28:16:44 - 00:28:37:38
Mary Holland
So I think we have to understand that we're coming to the end of an era. It may get worse before it gets better, but we are absolutely coming to the end of an era. This idea that the government can mandate medical products and that you have to take them at the cost of injury or death, that can't last.
 
00:28:37:38 - 00:28:58:05
Mary Holland
Paul. And people are now skeptical and people are opting out. There's more and more people who are not vaccinating their children. There's more and more people who are pulling their schools out and pulling their kids out of school. There's more and more people who are moving out of the states that are draconian on these issues. I know I live in New York still, and I know hundreds of people who've left the state.
 
00:28:58:10 - 00:29:14:49
Mary Holland
So it's not going to happen overnight. But we're winning and people need to understand we are winning informed consent and health and just and truth are winning. And we just have to we have to stay the course.
 
00:29:14:54 - 00:29:40:42
Dr. Paul
Yeah. Oh, I couldn't agree more. I thank you for the work you all have done in the health Freedom advocates who are standing up, for example, against the adult vaccine registry. We need to opt out of the childhood registries as well. And we absolutely need to refuse to be identified in any way where we can be tracked, if at all possible, because we need to stay, you know, individuals with our individual freedoms that are God given.
 
00:29:40:42 - 00:29:58:40
Dr. Paul
So yes, they can mandate whatever they want, but they cannot force you, except in the case of children. Be careful what schools they're at because we are seeing these cases. You you all are working on that 14 year old who was forced to get the Covid shot. I think it was in Maine. And they're using that darn Prep act as well.
 
00:29:58:40 - 00:30:17:33
Dr. Paul
They're justified. Right. And so, we need to stay informed and unite in our God given freedoms. And folks, the natural immune system, the innate immune system is amazing. And you put it on your calendars to watch facts three.
 
00:30:17:38 - 00:30:19:34
Mary Holland
Thank you so much, Paul. It's my pleasure.
 
00:30:19:38 - 00:30:36:14
Dr. Paul
Thank you. Mary. Well, thanks for watching again. I'm Doctor Paul. You can get information about my new book, facts. Facts that vax facts book Arcom or go to Kids First forever.com. I look forward to seeing you next week.
 
00:30:41:33 - 00:31:07:27
Dr. Paul
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Dr. Paul
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